My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 390 - THE PENGUIN EPISODE 5

Episode Date: October 23, 2024

Robbie and Clem recap and review #ThePenguin Episode 5, where the stakes are raised and there's no going back for Oz Cobb. Plus, Sofia Falcone becomes a Gigante and makes another massive power play within the family. Afterwards, Robbie describes #AgathaAllAlong Episode 6 to Clem and we finally learn about Teen's backstory! **************************************** My Mom's Basement is a weekly podcast hosted by Robbie Fox, started in March 2019, to discuss movies, music, comic books, wrestling, mixed martial arts, and more with his friends and idols alike! Subscribe on iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/my-moms-basement/id1457255205 Follow Robbie on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thatrobbiefox Follow Robbie on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RobbieBarstool My Mom's Basement Merchandise: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/my-moms-basementYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mymomsbasement

Hey, My Mom's Basement listeners, you can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Hello and welcome to My Mom's Basement, presented by Barstool Sports, another Penguin and Agatha All Along recap edition of My Mom's Basement. We will be talking about the Penguin episode five today, as well as Agatha All Along episode six. Episode seven is coming out tonight as we record this. It's not out quite yet. So it'll be last week's episode of Agatha I'm describing to Clem.

But as a little tease, Clem, it was pretty good. I liked it. Wow. All right, all right. And if, hey, if we're going from pretty good to great, maybe we do an emergency Agatha describe-a-thon tomorrow. We'll have to have to like if they went out of the goddamn park or something like that The describe a thong that might have to happen one day even for it will do it for a different franchise So we could really keep it going, but I mean the penguin this should be no surprise to anyone listening at this point was once again

Phenomenal like Ag, I said it was actually good. The Penguin is expected to be good, great at this point. And episode five, people said, how are they gonna follow up that amazing origin story for Sofia Falcone? They followed it up with oh fuck moment after oh fuck moment after oh fuck moment, more great needle drops, more great performances.

The show is, it's the best show on TV. We say it every week, it is the best show on TV. So, I mean, obviously the long time listeners of The Basement know this, and obviously the two idiot hosts here as well. We go through a lot of middling to good, to bad shows and movies on here. But occasionally, we get one that hits, especially a TV show. And when

it hits, it's special because you kind of got in from the jump and you're like, Oh man, it happened with Andor, right? We're like, Oh, this is all right. And then it really it grew. And by the end we were obsessed. And I know myself, I live on the Reddit boards when you know, you're kind of just getting excited for a TV show. It happened like pre My Mom's Basement. Like True Detective is kind of the gold standard for that. Fargo, I can get into that mode on a good season. And this is just another one. And Bob, I have a take here.

I wonder how many people agree with me. I think the last episode of The Penguin, which was called, what was the name of it? Do you remember? I don't have it. I'll pull it up as you. I believe that episode was better than the previous episode, which was like Sine or whatever.

Like the Cheers. Centani, yeah. Centani, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I liked this episode more. This one is called Homecoming. Homecoming, that's right, yep, yep. I liked Homecoming more than Centani and I loved Centani obviously but this one I maybe because it's more diverse and you're hitting a

bunch of different characters and there were a lot more oh fuck moments there were plenty and you dealt with Arkham and you built out that part of Gotham a little more but and then I'm just like where are we going from here? I'm almost I almost don't want to get too excited because I'm like, how many more, as our boss once said, guns left in the bullets or in each of the chamber in the bullets that they have. So I am, I don't even say like cautiously optimistic. I'm just having so much fun. And at this point I have to almost expect it to get better every week because the writing

is great. And I wrote the point where they can really it to get better every week because the writing is great and There's a point where they can really start cashing their chips here because they've made us feel certain way about characters They set certain things in motion and it's just as a TV viewer It's fucking awesome. And you know when I tweet something out and I'll be like, oh, I love the panger this week Twitter is just it's like the worst place in the world But even going back to when it was actually fun, you get like the, oh well this is, and then, no one nitpicks at all at the show. That's how you know it's fucking good. It's so fucking good every week. We have three episodes left of the season, which makes me a little like,

man, it's gonna be over that quickly. At the same time, like I I said last week if they deliver on the final three episodes and they keep up the quality that the previous five have had It'll be one of my favorite seasons of television ever when you combine that with the batman This is as much time as we've ever spent in a batman universe Like obviously the dark knight movies are super long But this is eight hours of television paired with three hours of the Batman. This is becoming a Gotham that is more fleshed out than we've ever had Gotham as well. The mob kind of war that's coming to a head,

especially in this episode, the stakes are raised to a level where they've never been before. And the little things that they're setting up, the sewers when they show you the tunnel system in this episode the Galante family where it's like the Falcons are **** dead. The

Galantes are here to that entire scene. Gigante, not Galante. Yeah, that is he a baseball player Galante. I think Galante might have been an actual mobster. What are mine Galante was quote unquote the obscure gangster emerging from the blah blah blah. Yeah, that's that's a that's a big time of the Bonanno, which was a big time.

Gigante, yeah. Galante. Which is a great. It's a great twist on the comics. In the comics, Sofia marries into that family. In the show, they do a subtle change of it's her mother's maiden name. And she's the matriarch of the family now fuck the Falcons, they set her up, she killed them all. And now she's taken the name back and she's making a new family like

that was badass. They continue to make her badass. They continue to make Oz ruthless. And they started to tease things too about his turn. Like let's get right into the episode starts with him and Vic burning the plum car in memoriam plum car people were saying I don't think this is the car He was driving in the Batman I think he totaled two cars within like a month and that's another thing I think this is in the same month as the Batman this has to be the worst month of this guy's life I know he's rising the ranks and he's going to get to that kingpin level that he wants to be at,

but Jesus Christ, I mean, no day's off for the penguin. Hey man, you want to become king of Gotham, you have to grind brick by brick as the little man says, right, and he's fucking, and car by car essentially. Can you imagine, and this is a little bit of an adult thing, I hand up, I'm being an old year. This guy's insurance premiums gotta be through the gotta be I mean cuz I'm like I was like this is a guy who wouldn't even have

insurance maybe has some sort of scam or guy on the inside to like give him a good rate but like I would say he doesn't have insurance but you need insurance to get license plates so it's it's it's absurd right now. It's it's probably some kind of mob insurance though. Some kind of like I got a guy thing. You know. Um I love he's always talking about Rex Calabrese. He's always telling stories. The good old days of the mob. It's very sopranos-esque. Very Tony talking about how uncle

uncle Carmine used to run things with his dad and whatnot. This guy was the toughest SOB in the neighborhood back then, right? Like, Fuchs was a no-no. Or Uncle Junior. Why'd I say Uncle Carmine? Uncle Junior. I'm fucking, I'm all over the place today.

And then they watched this TikTok from the idiot Taj Moroney of him getting tattooed. This is classic, even MMA fighters should know. You don't give out your ops your location. He's giving him the tattoo shop He's mid tattoo. It's a big back portrait So it's gonna take a while the penguin and his men go in there right away and they kidnap his ass He goes and he meets with Sal Maroney and his wife and he shows them the picture of him like with the newspaper

Proof it's today. They don't trust him and on the way out They shouldn't trust him because he gives the guard something and he's like fucking so-and-so in the jacket Make sure you're like is he setting up a prison shanking? That's exactly what he was doing not a successful prison shanking because it's Gotham the worst prison guards in the world It's not even Arkham. It's Blackgate, but still they're working with the same talent pool. The prison guards there are not good I like the also we had like the penguin rallying his men and giving them the speech to try to gain their loyalty. And then later on, you get the same thing

from Sophia's perspective, where it's like she used Johnny Viti, she had him in the basement all chained up, pouring cold water on his ass. And then she used him to get all the family in one spot. She tells them, this is the only man at the table. So make sure you show him respect. He's been with my family since one spot. She tells them this is the only made man at the table. So make sure you show him respect. He's been with my family since the beginning. She announces she's changing the family name and he starts to be like, Whoa, whoa, whoa, I didn't know about this.

We were waiting for the moment Johnny VD got his and the moment was sweet as hell. When she just shoots him in the face, lets him pool blood on the table and then dumps the money on it, making it blood money, has him grabbing it like vultures on a dead body. That was scene of the episode for me maybe in an episode where we got a crazy scene from Oz like just a second later, but it was so bad ass. We could probably do a top five scenes from this episode.

Maybe we'll rank them at the end. Cause I think my favorite, like when I saw the tattoo scene with the gun, when the guy has his headphones on and he has no clue and then he gets kind of splattered with some blood. He's like, what? And how it sets up with Tik TOK, which I always appreciate when, even though it was like, they were very, you know, heavy handed with like, he's looking at TikTok, this is the real world people and like nudging you, but I appreciate that shit, you know, and you kind of ground these shows or

these, you know, movies, whatever it may be. I love that kind of shit. And the tattoo gun scene, that's when I was like, it's pretty, you know, I was earlier in the episode, I was like, oh, we, we have ourselves a fucking winner of a show here. Whoever is in charge of this show is good at what they fucking do. And then, like you said, the the the whole back and forth with, you know, should you trust Oz? We know not to trust Oz. And then when he's saying, hey, you know, he gives him the money now. Are I didn't know this. So the Black Gate guards are essentially the stormtroopers of prison guards

in Gotham. Is that always a thing? I mean, it's more the Arkham guards are because it's like every time Batman throws someone in Arkham they escape But I mean this guy was a schmuck. We watched as he went into Moroni's cell He tried to stab him in two seconds later Moroni's calling Oz on the phone He's like, hey you fucking idiot You sent someone in to kill me. Didn't work. Like, well, also, Moroni's a huge guy. Clancy Brown is gigantic. Like, maybe send in two guards to get him down.

Is Clancy Brown a big dude? Oh, yeah. I think he's real tall. Let's see. Clancy Brown height. I can't wait to see this. 6'3". That's a dude.

That is a big dude. People also search for Tim Robbins, six five, who I believe we had a look up his height in a previous episode because I was, yeah, like I think he's really tall. Bill Fagerbach. I don't know who that is. Do you know who that is? Sounds like a fake name. He voices Patrick Star, six six. Oh, okay. I understand why people would look both of them up because it's star and crabs. Yeah, okay. I understand why people would look both of them up because it's star and crabs. Yeah, that makes sense. And then, you know, Clancy Brown is again, he's

next to Andy who's 65. So, that whole straw scene scene makes a lot of sense now. Um but yeah, the the whole like I didn't know that's where we stood and then when you said with Sophia, the scene when we said VD was gonna get a memorable death I thought it'd be like torture kind of the way he was like I guess she was just looking for his organs to shut down from like hypothermia or whatever it was which was fucking gnarly She had him chained to the Pole or something was kind of like Walt right with yes with the plate except those around that

He had a thing on his mouth yeah did you notice how they hid the indentations on his mouth too to be like oh that's been there for a while i appreciate it a little um and it was with obviously her family where they're all buried it's fucking gnarly and when she killed them and like you said the vultures and they're picking at the money and you have these hungry mobsters at the bottom level the entry level mobsters essentially the soldiers, and they're just looking to make a name, make some money. And the fact they were just picking that money off, literal blood money just covered in blood, it was more gruesome than it, but it

was the same vibes. Oh my God, my voice is still gone. The same vibes as in Dark Knight when he breaks the pool cue and is like, we're having tryouts and these guys have to go kill each other I had the same kind of odds I like these you know these dudes will do anything to you know make some money and move up in the ranking so I'm like this we finally Gotham got is getting proper villains in it with this series and she's showing off a lot of scars that you didn't see Previously on her shoulder on her neck We don't know the full story there I would assume it's a lot of Arkham fights and I would assume she did a lot of killing in our Arkham

That's just a vibe. I get a lot of Maybe shankings like we saw almost happen to Clancy Brown or whatnot. There was just something about it that made me think Oh, there's more to that. We might find out we might not yeah, I it's a that made me think, oh, there's more to that. We might find out, we might not. Yeah, it's actually, I think it's Andy DeFranco, is like, I had to go to prison to learn how to become a criminal. Like, she was, I feel like if Carmine

had had her take over the family, she would have been obviously a mob boss and done some fucked up shit, but I think this made her a lot more ruthless and probably like took the like clean edge off of her and kind of made her a little dirty off and probably took the clean edge off of her and kind of made her a little dirty off the jump. And now she's sick and twisted and it's almost crazy in a sense. And it's all because of him in a sick roundabout way.

So I love it. I was wondering, wait, we had the woo good dress last week. I didn't notice any of this stuff on her there, but she always is wearing some sort of... And now we're seeing the real Sophia. Again, episode one, she had the stuff on her there, but she always is wearing some sort of and now we're seeing the real Sophia again episode 1 She had the stuff right or not come like I feel like there's some hangman kind of stuff under that under that stuff And now she's just it's almost like we're seeing her for who for who for who she really is now, right? Yeah, cuz I even liked the scene where the cop comes in the chief McKenzie I think it is who was in the Batman movie, actually, with the mustache, just such a shit

head cop. And he comes in to investigate the deaths and kind of lets her know not kind of he lets her know, you're basically a suspect, isn't it a little fishy that all of the Falcons died and you were in the greenhouse? Fine. And she pushes back in a strong way. Pushing back in a don't fuck with me way. Like you think that you're gonna intimidate me? No, no, no, I'm gonna intimidate you. She feels like from this scene and the next

that we talked about, the vulture scene, she feels like that Batman level threat. If we don't get a scene where she meets Batman and she gets to act alongside Pattinson and especially Selena Kyle and the Batman too. I think we're being cheated of that. Big time. Big time.

I fucking love this squeaky voice cop. I don't know what it is. I just love his like absurdly squeaky voice and you're just like, he's such a prick, but it's like he's also probably corrupt. His people are probably corrupt, but he also I like cops that give it back to the villains And it's like I hope you guys all fucking murder each other And then I don't fill it all the paperwork and you idiots off to fill it out once then you're dead And I could wipe you off the map and there's less bad people Yeah, there has to be people like that in real life to write like bad

Oh definitely who just like give it right back to him So and the fact that he sounds like I do now he just sounds like he does I am like this is my guy. I'm looking love. What's his name? Chief Mackenzie and he's in the movie. You said I have to go back is yeah, okay I'll think I have to check that out. I am gonna I think I'll probably watch it again I just rewatched it when we after episode one I'll probably go rewatch it after the finale and be like alright now This is where we stand if I had in all this stuff and I'll probably a lot more stuff

I'll make a little more sense after seeing that so I was a huge I've had it in the notes It's like love squeaky voice cop. He's such a it felt real It made him feel like more real that he had like that very unique voice and like the Mina about he definitely says You know a lot Yeah, and he was the the second squeaky voice cop in the movie. Because the commissioner who gets killed in the beginning, he waddles in and he's like, happy Halloween. He's got a squeaky voice, too.

Gotham's just full of the squeaky voice cops at this point. Eve, who is the lady of the night that Oz is very close with, she's terrified that she's in trouble rightfully So Oz is using hers in alibi left to right. He's using her house to hold fucking meetings and shit He kind of snaps back at her and he is that wild looking at us as he's looking at the table It's that Tony soprano look where you're like, oh this guy's gonna snap. He's gonna snap soon

I think and he might snap on Eve the woman that he claims to care about more than anything and anything but his mother. He's clearly got some other issues that carry over into his personal life. He tells Vic, you're not coming on the mission. You're gonna watch over my mother. We're all at risk now. I can't let anything happen to my mother. She keeps me good. I think that's a big key that she is going to be a goner by the end of the season How do we break bad with the penguin? How do we make him less likable than he is right now? you got to have him go full bad, so Vic takes her to Crown Point and You know they do kind of a run-in with squid. I think it was

He's a local gangster. He's got the squid tattoos. That felt very, almost like Last of Us to me. The way they were sneaking around, he's like, don't let them hear you. And they're running, obviously they're not zombies and it's not a destroyed fungi world, but it is a destroyed crown point. And she kind of hates being there because that's where they used to live. It reminds her of her other sons that passed away and stuff. Later on, when Oz comes and meets them there He does that creepy like he spoons his own mom. He's cuddling her in the bed

So weird and she's like get off of me. What kind of son can't even take care of his own mother It's fucking cold. And again Three episodes left. We're starting to hit that spiral for us You got to hit that moment the us. You gotta hit that moment. The first four episodes, that was as likable as he's gonna get, I think. I say this word a couple times a year, it always reminds me of, I think we all learned it with World War I in Archduke Ferdinand. Powder keg, I believe that will, her death will be the powder keg for

the final thing to turn him into the penguin and whatever he's about to become. I feel like she has to be, if you're listing everyone for for the final thing to turn him into the Penguin and whatever he's about to become. I feel like she has to be. If you're listing everyone for most likely to die by the end of the season, would you say she's number one on the list? I'd say Vic is two, right? Yes, agreed. But I do think Vic could go another way.

He could go hero route. He could go a different villain route. I could see him surviving. I just don't see the mom surviving here Let me ask you this Do you think sal maroney makes it through the end of the season? Dude, I didn't think sal maroney was gonna make it through the end of the episode So the fact he did i'm like, oh so I don't want to say plot armor

I'm like, but does he have enough is he gonna like make it like well They just killed like every falcon in the show and the one that's alive took like, wipe the name off of her. So I'm like, I kind of like, I like that when when shows or movies do this, I'm like, I don't know what's gonna happen with this guy. Because they've already showed me that anyone can basically go at any given moment. So I'm gonna say he's gonna stick around. So still have that one name like those are the names right? It's Carmine Falcone and Sal Maroney are the fixtures I don't think we get rid of two of them over two Batman projects But I mean at this point and like I don't know man. I like my friend. I just like him class. Oh, I love him

He's so good and everything that I kind of hope he sticks around too, but you brought up Carmine Falcone It's worth mentioning that there was a new story that came out today where John Titoro's kind of implies Maybe it wasn't scheduling conflicts that caused him to not be in the penguin where he was in the Batman He said there was a lot of violence towards women in the show and that kind of makes him uncomfortable Which I thought was a bit of a strange quote because at at the end of the day, I mean, it is it's acting. You're playing the bad guy. You're playing a Batman villain. And in the Batman, the movie, he tries to strangle the life out of his own daughter.

And at least from what we've seen so far, it doesn't get that bad, at least for his character in this show. It just sort of gets talked about in that backstory that he did that to other women Interesting quote maybe the experience on the Batman made him so uncomfortable doing that where he was like I can't Can't keep playing this character. I don't know. I just thought it was a bit strange like it's make-believe at the end of the day He's like listen, I'm already the Jesus who was with like fucking 12 year old dude, you know Like he doesn't want to have to then get like woman choker on his Fucking fake resume as well. Yeah, I can understand that I have two potential thoughts of this either a He's like I didn't think you're gonna be this good of a fucking show

So I said scheduling and I need to come up with another excuse So don't look at the idiot that passed on the penguin or B And again, I would have just been flashbacks right like he's dead. So it's not a huge deal. Yeah or Be the fact that like he's kind of telling us without telling us The mom penguins mom is about to die a very brutal death Sophia's about to die a very brutal death and we're about to get into another brutal death suffered by a you know pretty big female character so those three things like there's a chance

we haven't seen the worst of the female deaths and yeah by the way like we saw a little girl watching her mom hang from the fucking beams we watched the mom get gassed as her daughter gets sent into and granted those aren't like choking at your daughter level of bad but I'm just thinking maybe Johnny's telling us You know it gets really dark which fuck dude at this rate. I don't even know like anything's on the table with this fucking shop Yeah, it really is and I still love John Tatero I'm still looking forward to Severance season 2 which I think he was still filming at the same time because there was a quote in that article that didn't go in all the

headlines that was kind of like Still when a lot of opportunities come up you can't take all of them So it was like he still kind of left the door open for maybe it was a bit of scheduling conflicts And he also felt a certain way about violence towards women and depicted in shows and stuff But yeah, it's a bit of a shame, not too much of a shame because Mark Strong did such a good job in the last episode. I honestly prefer having a different guy come in because it was so good. Like they'd have to essentially DH him, right?

A little bit. Yeah, you have to do the makeup and hair and stuff like that. I love Totoro. I'm happy they changed it. I'm happy we won another round, give that guy some work. And yeah, no, I think I said to you on the text message I said he's probably fuck HBO they made my fucking itchy feet an entire character and kind of ruined this show which I forgot all about him so you brought up a couple weeks ago yeah maybe he got for halfway through the first script and saw the scene where it's like Penguin takes his shoes off his feet are disgusting and he was like, God damn, I'm not doing this again. I'm not doing it again, HBO.

HBO are obsessed with tootsies. So what you were just talking about, the brutal death of a female character, we get the exchange of Taj Moroni, where it's like, all right, I'm gonna bring Taj Moroni here. The Moronis don't trust Penguin. They think he's gonna double cross

So they try to get the jump on the double cross and there's a shootout in the warehouse He has Taj Moroni get out of the car and he's soaking wet and my dumb ass is like Oh, they must have been torturing him just like they were torturing. Johnny Viti cold water, whatever Immediately my fiance turns to me and is like, oh he's got to be covered in gasoline, right? I was like, oh my god, he's definitely covered in gasoline. And you get that he's covered in, he's got the tape over his mouth. He goes and hugs his mom and he's kind of trying to, and you're like, oh, fuck, it's going to happen. Penguin with the fucking lighter flick the throw and

He lights them up kills all the Moroni's there the stormtroopers of Gotham And that I couldn't hit a shot and then he kills all of the Moroni's and kills the actual family in mother and son there Smiles as they're burning and that shot that they used in some of the trailers You couldn't tell what he was looking at burning And that shot that they used in some of the trailers, you couldn't tell what he was looking at burning What a shot that will be burned into my memory pun intended of that smile and kind of just Again the breaking bad like to break bad like that and to smile as you're watching this woman burn with her son Oz is fucked up Hit it bob. What was that? What was that scene? It's pretty metal. It was pretty fucking metal. I can't condone it but it's pretty metal. I mean they showed

us the bodies writhing in fucking anguish as they burned alive. Screaming, yes. I was like wow. I think I like looked away. I was like I'm not I don't know how much they were going to show of it and when they do the smile I'm like keep this in mind Clem this guy is very bad because he's enjoying this and hey listen I was in a mob war and these people are trying to kill me and steal from me maybe I'd be like sick and twisted like that like let's just remember this is not a good guy it took Heisenberg a little while till he was like comfortable and watching people like right you know what's the word I'm looking for? Squirming agony, rathaming, now ratham's not a word, anyway, squirming agony, burning alive,

and he's just smiling, he's smiling, he's smiling, it's like, but that was so fucking gruesome and I guess I'll give Mrs. Maroney, I guess I don't remember her name. I'll give her a pass. I feel like Sal hires either really good gun guys or 10x the amount of gun guys. She had like three. They closed the garage like... They did not bring enough people at all for something that they were like, we think we're going to get double crossed here, so let's get the jump on him. Like you said, three people maybe who couldn't shoot. None of them could shoot. None of them could shoot. He's a sitting penguin out there, right? No, no, no. Not so fast. My friend. I have to, I made this note too. I don't know if this is going to play out more. I don't even know if he's

alive anymore. Bruno penguins like dude that was with him. He's my guy. He fucking stood in there. Like it's like watching the the playoffs like standing and take the hit by pitch My pitch and was like he didn't fucking leave he got the shit out He fucking his game parked at by penguin the whole time. I'm a Bruno guy, too So I don't feel like Bob the fucking psychic Lagoon Cache and he had in Batman but like Bruno as a henchman I could I could live with Bruno as I I just hope he doesn't kill anyone that I like down the road here. So I just had to put that in.

And I mean, I'm sure we'll get to the phone call. What a line. Oh my God. So yeah, the phone call Maroney calls him to be like, Hey asshole, I got out. You didn't hire enough people. You didn't hire the right guy. Whatever you are cooked. And Oz goes, funny you say that. Why don't you call your wife and see if she picks up? Click. And it's just like, Oh my there's no coming back from that. This is now they've ramped us up to soprano season six, where it's like, okay, now you need an AK 47 next to your bed at all times. Because holy fuck, you can't be just doing that to Sal Maroney

Who's out of black gate at this point and you tried to stab him? He's got his own little bandage on his side and shit Crazy and then the episode kind of ends with him looking through old coins and stuff You know baseball men of his brothers or whatever. I really thought in this moment he was gonna find a little eyeglass and be like, oh, what do you think of this, Vic? Isn't that funny? And he finds an old trolley coin, an old Gotham City trolley rail coin, and it gives him the idea light bulb goes off in his head. That's where they can have their hideout. And there was a great scene where it's almost shot and scored like triumphantly

as he turns the generator on and that lights up and everything. It's like, oh, shit, they're doing the thing where it's like, all right, triumphantly as he turns the generator on and lights up and everything. It's like, oh, shit, they're doing the thing where it's like, all right, maybe he wasn't raised in the sewers with Penguin, but with actual penguins. But he's underground now, like Oswald Cobblepot would be in the comics if the iceberg lounge isn't available to him. Vic is there with them. They're going to build out this space and make a penguin hideout. It's also like the Batcave is somewhere in these tunnels.

I mean, that was the old Gotham City train station that he put that in. So you're putting them a little bit closer to Batman. They don't know each other there. I'm still waiting for Batman to get a mention. How is he not telling Vic like, hey, a couple of weeks ago, I had to deal with this lunatic and a bat mask.

A lot of people, I've seen a lot of memes, like war exploding and then Batman and it's just Batman sleeping or something but at the same point like it hasn't been that crazy I feel in terms of the violence. No. Like half of Gotham's underwater right now this shit that must be going on just like weird power struggles weird just crime taking place Batman is busy he can't be worried about like a couple of triads got killed or there was a shootout like our boy reach And he got his ass kicked. They gave us like a 35 minute fucking scene. They kept showing I mean all that shit where he's getting a little took a shotgun point shotgun point blank. Yeah, so

I I like that cuz it that felt Batman II to me that felt that many when they're down there They did a long pause looking at the water supply being there too, and I feel like that's gonna be a part It's just Gotham water company. I'm like yeah, she gonna figure a way to like I Don't know about poison the water You know put stuff in the water to fuck with the the residents so they I feel like there was kind of a pregnant pause I believe is what they say so that was a That was a fucking hell of a scene I have a couple of takes here that I have is there anything else from the episode

No, pretty much nothing only knows that forgot first take here. I don't know. I don't think I'm gonna be by myself I might be in the minority. I might be in the majority. I'm sorry might be 50-50 I think And I know this is a losing fucking Side I think I'm a Sophia guy over us. I Like so I think I am too she plays the long game her stuff is much more like drawn out thought out Oz flies by the sea of his pants. He kind of relies on other people or he's great in a pinch He's a great reliever. She's like a bad thing. I think that's a bad

thing. I think that's a bad thing. I think that's a bad thing. I think that's a bad thing. I think that's a bad thing. I think that's a bad thing. I think that's a bad thing. I think that's a bad thing. I think that's a bad thing. I think that's a bad thing. I think that's a bad thing. I think that's a bad thing. I think that's a bad thing. I think that's a bad thing. I think that's a bad thing.

I think that's a bad thing. I think that's a bad thing. I think that's a bad thing. I think that's a bad thing. I think that's a bad thing. I think that pre personally when like it's like killing your enemies I'm more a Sophia guy then yeah, and I don't think I'm by myself and I don't dislike guys I imagine you're like me. I also agree. I'm also setting myself up for the future I'm going to hate Oz when he does something really fucked up down the road. I already know this Sophia might do it I don't know if yeah, I don't know if there's anyone she's hunting that I like though where I think Oz is hunting Sophia I think Vic's in the crosshairs she could actually get Vic too I guess but I think if she killed Vic it's part of business if Oz killed Vic it's cuz he's just like he'd basically be using his body to like crawl to the top and using it as another rung on his ladder you know what I mean

he forgives him at the beginning of the episode, but you can't tell how real that is. It's a forgive, not a forget, right? Yeah. And then my other take, is there a chance that Penguin killed his brothers? Ooh, interesting. Cause when he's like, what happened to them? And he's like, the city got them or whatever.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He didn't like a couple of crooked cops took them down or this or that. And it's like, what if they were all on a mission together or something and he ran and they stayed at something like that. Yeah. Yeah. And it's not like Tony Blundetta where he had a panic attack fell out of the other guy took the rap. Like I feel like he was so innocuous with the response there and they mean so much to him and his mom and this and that but it just feels like there's more that story we're gonna find

out and it's probably gonna be as he's doing fucked up shit to like Vic or someone like that so that was like I'm gonna flag that I don't know if that I could just be dead wrong it might not even be like because you're red herring or just something I can't open my dumb idiot brain? But I do feel like he's like I don't trust a fucking word. This guy says anymore, you know, I feel yeah They're trying to do this. They're luring us in to then fucking shank us. I'm not letting you shank Ken Jack brought up a theory with me this morning that I found interesting I don't know if I'm fully bought into the theory, but it's an interesting thought. Basically, what if Sophia was an unreliable

narrator in the last episode, and that maybe her family did set her up, but what if she actually was a serial killer? Maybe she wasn't the hangman, but what if she wasn't goody two shoes until she was set up? Like there is kind of an interesting rabbit hole you could go down with thoughts of that. Maybe that's why the penguin is so scared of her not just the fact that he set her up. But because she he knows she's crazy. Maybe that's why the the cousin shielded her daughter and stuff. I still think she got set up. She wasn't the hangman and then prison broke her in that way Arkham

broke her in that way. But it's interesting if you want to think of it like that But yeah great stuff great ending of the episode with the song by the cure Again, the needle drops in this show from Dolly to the cure everything they've had very very good It's almost something that I'm looking forward to each week of like is there gonna be a cool song associated with this episode as well I even like the credits like the the animation of the credits and everything. There's nothing I don't like about the show. I'm going to glaze it up and down each week. I'm going to be doing tricks on it, doing tricks on the penguins umbrella. The best show on TV. That's what we can say. And it's like, what are this and that? It's

like, is it on TV right now? Is it airing episodes? No, cuz like I don't even know this used to be like prime time for new shows. I mean, I guess there are maybe new shows on NBC CBS. You don't watch those. Do you? I don't I know. I certainly don't and I'm an old TV and so long. Yeah, exactly. So, this is awesome. Alright, now, let's talk about Agatha all along episode six, an episode that I teased is pretty good This was my favorite episode of the series yet

It was the one that hooked me the most the one that I was kind of putting my phone down and being like Oh, wow, let me fucking tune in here So it answers a lot of questions about this teen We've had in the show who was revealed at the end of the previous episode to be Billy the son of the Scarlet Witch. One of the big questions is like well why doesn't he look anything like the kid that played Billy in WandaVision? And this episode answers that. So we start with the teens Bar Mitzvah and they don't really tell you when it's happening. He has a whole mom and dad, a family. You see the family dynamic and you're like,

all right, what the fuck is this? Is this after, is this before? We're just seeing this kid's life. He has his bar mitzvah. The Westview anomaly then goes down and he lives in the area of Westview and they show us him, his mom and his dad in the car driving into Eastview and

like I guess a truck is driving into their lane probably seeing the anomaly happening. It's at the big red dome over the town. They crash, horrible crash. They show it hitting a fucking tree hard and the kid is about to die in the backseat like the parents are panicking and is about to die in the back seat. Like the parents are panicking and crying. He's got blood dripping down his face. And in that moment, you hear like Billy's voice kind of come in and out. The West View anomaly like explodes. And it's implied here that the kid died in the back seat. And Billy's soul went into his body. It needed a vessel to go into and it overtook this kid's body. So he goes to the hospital, comes back home and he could hear everyone's thoughts. He's a telepath. He could hear everything and it's almost freaking him out. Like it's giving him a panic attack because he could

hear his parents going, when is he going to remember? Is he going to be like this forever? He has no memories of his prior life. He only has memories of Billy's life. So that was like interesting to see the Westview anomaly, as they're calling it, from the outside. And to see, okay, this is exactly how it happened. Because Billy and Tommy, we were shown at the end of WandaVision, were not real. They were never real like bodies. That was just Wanda conjured them up. It was cool to see from a different perspective for sure That's interesting now. This is like not seeing everything and trying to place exactly how this is all going down

It's kind of breaking my brain right now. Yeah, I do I If you're going back to WandaVision and just the way she did all that shit. I find that stuff kind of fun So I'm happy WandaVision is mostly happy memories despite all the Mephisto and stuff we didn't get it. And at the end, I think we said I felt like they could have either made that longer or just, you know, kind of tidied it up and just wrapped it up quicker. But there was no like, oh, this show was terrible. I had fun other than the boner jokes. And we get some of that in this episode as well, there's some boner here

We also get like the other witches that are on the road with them appear in this episode. They were in his life Previously so like the cop that finds him is Alice the hot topic which who died last week Later on in the episode. He goes to Patti LaPone at like a school dance. They have like a tarot card reader or whatever, and he goes to her and she picks up weird vibes from him and has to put like a thing on him. It's very cool in that it shows you this is all connected. There were connections long before they went on down the witch's road together.

There's lots of Houdini stuff in his room that he goes back through. So you could tell even before he turned into the Wiccan he was interested in magic and spells and stuff like that they come though Wiccan though Wiccan is his name I think it's just Wiccan that's Wiccan okay I do know if we're gonna I feel like he's just Wiccan I wasn't ready to be saying the I know he's gonna probably stick around yeah makes me happy so it skips forward to him telling his boyfriend suspicions about his death and what his theory is, the Westview anomaly, stuff like that, because he can hear

his boyfriend's thoughts. His boyfriend's about to say, I love you. So he like beats him to the punch and stuff. It's like, you know, this is a gay show. They're not hiding it. They're like, we're doing a show for the gays here. Very gay gay scene not bad. It was totally fine. It was like a normal couple relationship scene. I don't think so I don't think there was smooching Let's get some tone busy if we're gonna go gay. Let's go full gay next time respectfully go full gay um, they researched the westview anomaly together and they find that there was one person that got away and they schedule a meeting with this person in a shady parking lot. It's like all the presidents men when they meet deep throat, he's wearing the trench coat and the hat and all that.

And it is Ralph Boner. He turns around. They got Evan Peters in the episode. So that was a cool like, Oh, all right, you're bringing him back. And he's scarred from the whole thing. He's like, he brings up Sparky. He's like, Agatha called me her husband, but really, I was her prisoner. She made me kill a dog. She made me poison an innocent dog. She made me do this. She made me kill these people. She made me kidnap whatever. He's totally freaked out by the whole thing, but explains everything. He explains that it was a sitcom that it was

a weird, sad thing that Wanda put everyone into. And he talks about Billy and Tommy, Wanda's kids, and it finally clicks for the team. He understands it, tells her all about Agatha. They go research Agatha, and they do one of my favorite things. They show like old pictures that Agatha was in the background of from history. So she was she was on the Titanic. She was at the like the when the zeppelin went down the Hindenburg Whatever. She was the Jolene that Dolly Parton wrote about Jolene she's Jolene So this is all cool shit like the entire sequence was really cool

And then it kind of ends with the events of episode one through Billy's perspective. So when Agatha thinks she's mayor of Easttown and she's, you know, the best detective in the world, it shows he's sitting in her living room like, oh, a detective, huh? That's what you are now? That's what you think you are? Like she has, she is like a fake gun on her waist and stuff like there's It's it's funny to flip the dynamic in the way that they did show it from his perspective And then they end the episode with like the modern Witches road time her crawling out of the mud

Realizing he's just there to find his brother on the witches road. He thinks that will be what you get at the end. And Billy tells Agatha, I don't trust you at all. But that was the episode. It wasn't very long. That was the only issue, again, is the shorter episodes. But it's pretty fucking good. It gave me a lot of shades of like WandaVision and getting to see the episode of WandaVision where you got to see her go to shield or sword or whatever and see Vision's body and shit. That's sort of what it gave me vibes of in a really good way.

Oh, that's good. Sometimes the episode length is not a bad thing, you know, when it's not a show. That's when you're, you said pretty good, so that's better than obviously the past, but I know there's some where we're just tapping out by the end, being like, thank God this was only 23 minutes or something. Like you said, the little things like the seeing her in the background of past events, real life events, and then even the different perspectives. I always love episodes where you go back to events

and you see it from someone else. That was kind of one of our biggest snippets with the acolyte. It's like, oh, we're going to see from another angle. And it was the same thing we already knew from just literally a different camera point of you. You're like what the fuck so Okay, I can get that uh ball scale. What would give this episode? this episode honestly like 3.75 to 4

Now this is on the Agatha scale it's on the Ag scale. It is like four is not equal to an Agatha four. Yeah, like I might give this week's episode of the Penguin a 4.5. But like if I were to put this week's Agatha on that same scale, it might be a two. Yeah. But it's very relatively. It's crazy too how like that's how we used to do with like

Marvel and DC in the other way. But like, yeah, it's like, yeah. It's like, well, you know, this is a DC thing. So I mean, at least they're trying. I mean, we were talking up the flash. We're like, hey man, like that Superman scene was really weird, but like, at least they just like tried. You know, and now it's like, they've done that in Marvel.

We've been like, yeah, just puking everywhere. You know, it was funny. This is kind of unrelated, but you just reminded me of it with the DC comment. were watching. It was during one of the streams last night. And I think it was on TBS, which is owned by the same company as TNT. So there was a TNT commercial on TV. It was like come to TNT where movies are magic or some bullshit like that. And they were advertising The Rise of Skywalker, Batman v Superman and Justice League, not even the Zack Snyder one, the Josh Whedon one. So it was just like, I'm not sure those are the three, even the fan bases of those movies, the people you would want to go at, they weren't the most well received movies, even movies I've defended, Rise of Skywalker, I'll defend you or whatever.

I won't defend the Ray Locust, but it was just a commercial that kind of hit me and I was just like who's Who's watching TNT because of that commercial that's it's like those those those movies did cost money to make I will give you that They did they certainly did. Yeah That's it on Agatha and the penguin I mentioned to you before we went live I watched alien Romulus this week a movie I was so looking forward to because as I talked about previously this summer on the basement I kind of got into the alien franchise this year sort of really dove deep into it became an alien head a Xena Xenomorph head I don't know I thought it was fucking awesome. I was really excited for it lived up to how excited I was for it

I think this week Joker 2 is hitting digital if it hasn't already So I will watch Joker 2 and maybe next week. I'll give a review of it And venom 3 is out this week, which I didn't realize to like two days ago It's it's crazy that Tom Hardy's in this franchise and I just can't muster up any any excitement any energy for it Especially after venom to venom ones. Okay, it's it's a watchable movie. It's not amazing Venom 2 is as bad as it gets for comic book movies. I think Well, I sent you the tweet where I was like I said and the review was let me see if I can pull it up here review was, let me see if I can pull it up here.

Keep going, keep going. Actually, I don't know if I, we do have a lot of back and forths here. The Basin Boys are in constant, constant discussions with each other. But the review that I got for it was tremendous. So I was like, oh shit, like I said, I'm gonna need to see five more reviews like this before I believe it's actually good.

And then like, probably another 10 before I actually see it. But it's like, the fact that it wasn't like hot garbage, fuck this, fuck Sony, yada, yada, I feel like there is something we're working with there. So I'm happy about that. And also, as I was going through our list, we could touch on it real quick. I don't know if it's a surprise.

Blade just getting fucking counseled essentially or just put on the shelf indefinitely. Like I'm surprised and then not surprised at the same time. Does that make sense? Yeah, agree. I mean, it's been years of like delay, delay, delay, director fired, writer fired. They're looking for someone new.

Mahershala can't get a good script. It's nothing that people haven't said already, but how can you not make a movie this simple work? Blade looks cool and he kills vampires. That's like all you need to include in a script. And you have Mahershala Ali playing him, one of the coolest motherfuckers in Hollywood, one of the best actors in Hollywood. Like, I mean, you even got Wesley Snipes back in the fold. If you wanted to do a movie with both of them,

the public would welcome that with open arms. How can you not make that script work? Do you think Feige is like, listen, and he had a meeting with like either his people, some blade people, and I can't say the actors name, say it again, Herschel. Mahershala Ali. Mahershala Ali, I don't want to listen to that.

Mahershala, and they're like, listen, I need everyone like, maybe injected everyone with true serum. And it's like, as of right now, is there a path where this movie can be good? I'm not looking for all right. I'm looking for good to great. And everyone's like, no. And he's like, all right, shelf until it's ready. Because the other thing is about Blade is like, you don't need Blade now. You don't need blade in a year I can't imagine disconnected. Yeah, we don't need us like oh we need blade for doomsday right now. No So let's focus on the fucking shit that is important because I mean they're shooting doomsday next year I saw I know so I'll say next year spider-man for next year next year at Marvel is ramping back up This was a down year for them where they were like, we're just going to take it easy, put out one banger in Deadpool and Wolverine, one show in Echo at the very beginning of the year, and then X-Men 97.

Next year, we're back into the big hitters. I think I got a little bit of a comp for the Marvel Universe right now. What do you got? A slight stretch, but I think it fits. The MCU is the New England Patriots. They had a run in the 2000s. Ending in, I mean, I think the Patriots last year with Brady was 2018. Obviously endgame was 2019. And then like, they had a couple things here and there.

The Mac Jones had like a little run where he thought he was going to be good, right? And then it just all went off the fucking rails and it's just shit and maybe um Deadpool Wolverine is like Drake May and it's like that's the thing that builds us back up for the future and there's like I'm not gonna say the Patriots and the MCU will mirror each other from here on out but like I could see the Patriots getting better down the road especially if they hit on the quarterback and I could see the MCU getting better but this is the transition year. Paige is a bright guy like a top three pick next year getting there a stud lineman stud receiver whatever it may be. Next year we have the Fantastic Four we have all these other movies being shot like you said X-Men 97 obviously

Animates a whole other thing and then down the road it's like that's when we got hit X-Men we got to hit the Fantastic Four both Avengers when I saw that they were doing Avengers I was like I feel like we need like 20 more characters still for this to be good right yeah yeah they said doomsday will have less Avengers and then almost like infinity war they'll do the big team up in the next one in secret wars but wait when is... but Infinity War had the team ups. Yeah, true. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm thinking like it had more sectioned off team ups and then by endgame everyone was in a battle together. Like I think they're gonna save the fantastic... Fantastic Four have to be in Doomsday, but they'll save like maybe the X-Men for Secret Wars or something like that. I think it's gonna be a much bigger team up in Secret Wars.

I could see that. I think, you know, like Avengers should just be like, six dudes, you know, like- Yeah, the first one is the original six and we were like, I can't believe they're all on screen together. And then it's like, there's 24 of them together or whatever, yeah.

Okay, so- There was also rumors in the blade first there were rumors that Midnight Suns was ramping up production which blade would be a part of I believe Midnight Suns would be like blade Moon Knight the Punisher Ghost Rider they could probably loop Daredevil and I don't know if Daredevil is typically a midnight zone in the comic but They might be putting blade on the shelf because they're going to use him in a different movie first. I don't know if I believe that, but it could be an avenue. And then people are asking, is this the end of Jon Snow?

I'm like, oh, fuck, I forgot they did that whole song in the Black Knight, too. Yeah, yeah, Jesus. He's been on the shelf. He's probably waiting for a phone call every day. Yeah, I wonder if they've had to have conversations like this in Disney, too. And I haven't thought of it until just now, but do you think they're like, when we say Avengers doomsday, everyone's like, all right, this is their big ensemble, like lamp post checkpoint movie, right? You think they're like, can we drop Avengers at some point? Because it's like Avengers Secret Wars. It's Secret Wars. And well, it is Avengers Secret Wars, I think. Is it Avengers Secret Wars? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The comic books? Oh, no, not in the comics. I'm saying in the movie. Yeah, in the movies. It's Avengers Secret Wars event. But at some point, it's like the Avengers are going to be like the third to fourth best team. And as of right now, who do you like in the Avengers right now? Who's in the Avengers right now? Doctor Strange. I really like him. I'd say uh Thor's still an Avenger. You would say right near one

to one and a half. Thor. Look we love Thor. I like I like Shang-Chi but he's not a tier one at all. Yeah yeah yeah there's not a lot of tier ones out there. Falcon. Falcon America. I'm calling him Falcon America for now on too He's not my cap yet. I don't take that the wrong way. I don't get aggregate. Yeah, he doesn't mean it like the people from the show Yeah So there's just like the Hulk son Even the Hulk is like when he's fucking the whole least bad, when he's fucking the Hulk, he's bad motherfucker Hulk, he's tier one, but like I don't, I don't, we don't have Cap, we don't have Iron Man, we don't have

like, you know, the dudes that really put them on their back too. And then even the supporting guys, we had so much Hawkeye and Black Widow that by the end they were just part of the team and with everyone else, everyone fit into place. Again, I think losing Black Panther because of, you know, Chavik Bose was death that hurts them Even though I don't I think he would have at least been a tier one hero and fucking So it's like I'm just like man they have the Russo brothers They did an incredible job with everything they had but now they've like lost a lot of the action figures and it's like now make Something cool without all this shit and we're gonna give you some fantastic four

But it doesn't mean the same if you haven't had the years and years and years of those guys and I guess they are good Enough for after one movie. We might have it enough of like, you know attraction and then be like we love these fucking dudes But I it's gonna be tough with doomsday It just it really set my head like holy shit this timeline is coming soon, man And we're taking the hero of the story and we're putting them in green and making him the new bad guy So if we go to your Jets analogy Could this be Bill Belichick coaching the Jets and firing up the Patriots enough where they come back to beat him I like that Bob good

Little tag team action there. Um, all right. That was my mom's basement for October 23rd, maybe the 24th when you're listening to this, cause it's October 23rd evening as we record it, but we will be back next week, same bat time, same bat place for your penguin recap, and I will be describing Agatha all along episode seven, depending on we record it, maybe seven and eight. I don't know if we'll, you know, be before the episode

or after the episode next week. But I hope you come back. Hope you like the stream or video, wherever you're watching it. Leave a comment, subscribe to the channel, and we will see you next week. And speaking of next week, next Friday, confirmed, Pup Pug show at Toad's Place.

Toad's Place in New Haven. The Clems will be there. Obviously, Bob Fox and the whole Pup Pug club, some Barstool people there. So check it out. Get your tickets now. Toad's Place, New Haven, November 1st. Absolutely. Costume contest, cash prize. You're not going to want to miss it.

We already got our costume planned out. It's an old one that no one's ever seen before, but wifey, wifey got a babysitter, she has the costumes, she is just ready for a night out with with her obvious. So we're gonna have ourselves a night Bob. Hell yeah.