My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 393 - THE PENGUIN FINALE

Episode Date: November 11, 2024

Robbie and Clem recap and review the finale of #ThePenguin! Did Episode 8 the hottest show of the year stick the landing?! Listen and find out what the Basement boys thought! Plenty of talk about the series as a whole, the teases and breadcrumbs left for #TheBatman2, the amazing performances across the board, and what the Barstool office was saying! Plus, the fellas discuss the #CaptainAmericaBraveNewWorld and #Thunderbolts trailers as well as the announcement of a new Star Wars trilogy. **************************************** My Mom's Basement is a weekly podcast hosted by Robbie Fox, started in March 2019, to discuss movies, music, comic books, wrestling, mixed martial arts, and more with his friends and idols alike! Subscribe on iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/my-moms-basement/id1457255205 Follow Robbie on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thatrobbiefox Follow Robbie on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RobbieBarstool My Mom's Basement Merchandise: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/my-moms-basementYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mymomsbasement

Hey My Mom's Basement listeners, you can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Hello and welcome to My Mom's Basement, presented by Barstool Sports and a very special Penguin Finale recap edition of My Mom's Basement. Clem, this is very bittersweet. It feels bittersweet recapping the final episode of The Penguin, possibly ever. We don't know if they're coming back for season two. We don't know if this is a mini series, but it's just about the best mini series we've ever recapped in my mom's basement.

It's up there with Watchmen. It's up there with the best of comic book series. It's up there with the best single seasons of television I've ever watched, I think. And the finale, I would say, landed the plane last night. Clem What did you think of the penguin finale the penguin flew Bob the penguin could fly it took us to heights We never thought we'd see in the basement after

And how long has it been we're watching these TV shows it took us or five years almost yeah from Disney Plus all the way to max to finally get a show that made us feel this way and they fucking he delivered the kid delivered what can i say they delivered on a way that i was nervous about we talked about like are we nervous about the finale do we think that there's a chance they don't land the plane and of course in comic book series and comic book projects there's always that chance especially like when you're talking about the ending. Even the Batman, a movie we love, the third act of that movie is the part that gets a little

shaky for the two of us. The fact that they were able to go in after seven amazing episodes, throwing a perfect game basically, and still satisfy us with this dark ending, an ending that isn't like satisfying in the conventional sense, blew me away. Bob, dark ending, dark episode, the entire episode, you think we're starting out and we have the finger in there and you're just, you know, the mom and him going back and forth, dark from the minute it starts and the reactions that I saw after it ended, I'm like, everyone was in on it, which I'm happy about.

I'm happy that everyone bought in and loved it instead of being like, oh, this was to this or to that, which we get all the time these days. I feel like we finally like, they fucking, they crushed it, dude, they crushed it. And it's funny, I remember I think it was episode one, we're like, all right, this show, looks like it's gonna be good.

And somehow every week it got better We learned we met new characters the story advanced. There were twists and turns We did not see coming some we did the boys had themselves. Yes a season We had a couple good predictions like a you specifically had a lot you were you were locked in with Cobb Yep, and then listen, I had a few that were way off. That's gonna come. You know, these are again, we're basically doing like podcast parlays when we do these things. We're not trying to get like a minus 150. I'm not trying to get Derek Henry type prediction predictions here minus 330 to score a touchdown. I want plus 250. You know, the Giants are going to score over 25 points today or something like that.

I'm putting a sprinkle on a bunch of different things that are all big odds and eventually one of them is gonna hit and you're gonna get some. Yeah, it's nice. So many people at Barstool too have been tweeting about this. I saw Trent was tweeting about it. Frankie called it one of his favorite seasons of television he's ever watched. Tommy said he can't believe how long he has to wait for the Batman because it's so good. he just wants it now. Everything in this universe does make me feel the same way. And this, I feel like the finale especially, solidified. Colin Farrell's winning the Emmy for this. He's winning the Golden Globe for this.

They better win best limited series for this. Kristen Milioti, she better win as well. It's like mind blowing that they took a funny character in the Batman, the Penguin, where you're like, I can't believe that's Colin Farrell. You show people the picture, you're like, isn't that funny? It's fucking the El Rata Aladdin. And then they take him and they're like, oh no, he's gonna give one of the greatest performances you've ever seen in this fucking fat suit. And you're never for a moment gonna be like, oh, that's Colin Farrell. For the entire eight episodes,

there wasn't a single scene where I was like, oh, the Irish accent came through a little there, or, oh, you could see his eyes. That's such a Banshees of Innesheren type fucking delivery. It was just Oz cop. Even at the end when Oz is standing next to Sofia and she's got the red on, and what an awesome finale outfit for Sofia as well, the red fur and everything.

And my fiance said like, oh, that would be such a great Halloween costume, like that red Sophia and then Oz in the suit and everything. My mind weirdly, it went right to like, yeah, me and Clem would crush that. I'd be a good Sophia for him. Wow, I appreciate that, Bob. Like you said though, even, I guess that's the production

value, everything was just shot so beautifully. The music always hit, right? The writing was awesome. Even this week. Oh God, it broke off Gotham. It was a legit, it was maybe the character you can say when push comes to shove. And that character, you're talking about characters

that had a rough break and I'm sure we're gonna talk about one that had a really rough ending. But man, Gotham, it was bad going into this season. And then all it just had was, you know, fucking Crown Heights. It was a Crown, Crown Point. I'm getting Crown Heights, Crown Point. There's real places and fake places,

but just bad shit that just keeps happening in different places in Gotham. And it's just getting worse and worse. So by the bat, the Batman 2 is somehow worse off than it was at the end of the Batman 1, which was in no great shakes at that point either. It was very bad. Yeah, I think, I mean, we'll get into spoilers obviously in a minute, but you could say Oz got the happy ending here. Pretty much nobody else did. Pretty much every other character in this show

is worse off and in a horrible position than they were before they met Oz. Which I appreciate. Like that, it could be that. It doesn't have to be like just people dying. It's either you die or you survive and get a happy ending. You could just have like the worst versions of hell is what I said. Essentially some people were sentenced to, right? And Oz is kind of in his own little hell. He just doesn't realize it because he's so focused on basically climbing over those dead bodies to get to the top. Yeah, he keeps pushing aside his hell and like just like denying it basically he's in

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So make a wish, everybody. I'm wishing for a happy birthday for Sienna, who is turning 10 on 11-11, at 11-11. I'm so close to having that. Oh, but next year. Yeah, next year is her gold, is that gold? So today's her birthday. Tell her Uncle Rob's happy birthday.

And hey hey Bob I'm also gonna say thank you to all the veterans out there. You didn't do it, but I did do it. So happy birthday. I only know that because I get there own. Yeah, salute to all the veterans. Oh, they're home. Take your hat off, Robert. I was yeah here. This guy doesn't respect the troops at all. It's crazy. I was gonna say on the birthday. Do you keep Sienna home from school or do you send her because then it's like the cupcakes and people sing happy birthday. I'm sure she'll get that tomorrow.

Yeah, we already bought, she wanted the cookies from Costco. So we got the chocolate chip cookies from Costco. Very nice treat for everybody. It is one of those things like, would you want your birthday? I guess we'll do a very quick detour into this. The people who I think had summer birthdays

were always jealous that they couldn't bring in the snacks. Whereas the people with, you know, in school birthdays wanted to have their birthday off so then they could stay home without, you know, begging their mom and dad. I personally liked going in on my birthday. I'd rather, you know, there was part of me that wouldn't want to, but I like being celebrated.

So how about you? What was your thoughts on all that? I was July birthday. I was July birthday and honestly, I hate it so much. No, I never missed it. Every birthday I was like, Oh my god, I'm so grateful. I'm not in school today. Oh god. Yeah. So, um, shout out Sienna. Shout out the troops. Shout out Sienna. Shout out the troops. Shout out game time. All right.

Let's get into the Penguin finale. Episode eight, it was titled a great or little thing, which is from an Oscar Wilde poem. How about that? Getting some literature in there. I knew it off the top of my head. I heard a greater little thing. I said I think that's Oscar Wilde. No, I didn't actually have to look. Oh, wait, does he have an E at the end of his name? He does. Yes. All right. I at least knew that.

That's right. We're a fucking English history podcast here. We know our literature. We know our language arts. Remember that? Language arts. Oh, God. We opened the episode with another flashback. It's through light therapy, Julian Rush's light therapy. Another thing that I think we kind of called that he would be putting Francis through this because when we saw last week, they put out the little preview for this episode and some images, we saw the older Francis actress with the young child Oz. So you knew something was up there. And we go back to that night at Monroe's, we actually go back to her meeting with Rex Calabresi before that night and telling him, I'm pretty sure my son killed my other two

boys. She's like, what he did. He's like, what do you mean what he did? And she pulls out the flashlight was like, he lied to me that night. He was fucking with him and he wanted me all to himself. So I know what he did. And that's a big shock. That's like, oh, fuck.

Frances knew the entire time that her one sociopath, insane son killed the other two just for her love. And that was a weird thing. And you realize, oh, this night at Monroe's is a lot different than Oz path, insane son killed the other two just for her love. And that was a weird thing. And you realize, Oh, this night at Monroe's is a lot different than Oz remembers it. She hired Rex Calabrese to drive him home that night to take him out. Like when they were like, she's like, maybe you could do that for me or whatever. They allude to it in that conversation. I was like, are they alluding to murdering that child?

Are they doing the baby Hitler conversation with Penguin right now? And they were pretty much. And Rex Calabrese, by the way, speaking of predictions, we got wrong, not the father of the Penguin. I thought there was maybe something there, clearly not the actual father, but they go to Monroe's, they have the night,

and he tells his mom, just don't give up on me. I'm not gonna give up on you, just don't give up on me. And I think something changed. You saw something change in her eye right there where she told Rex, hey, don't drive up on me. You know, I'm not gonna give up on you. Just don't give up on me I think something changed you saw something change in her eye right there where she told Rex a don't drive him home tonight She decided against it But pretty shocking intro to the episode and another one where I was like, alright They they didn't give us like a ton of the kid But everything they gave us of the kid was good still that it was a good kid actor That kid rules man. I can't I hope he hope he doesn't just have to play just fucking really sick

and twisted bastards because the absolute question, the one that he did play there. I saw this on the Heavy Spoilers video and he had I think attributed to someone else. They noticed that the mom had a yellow flashlight in her apartment in episode one of The Penguin. So it kind of starts back there, you know, a little breadcrumb that leads us all the way back to today. And he had mentioned that he did think that there is a chance that Rex is someone's dad out of the three boys, maybe multiple.

I don't know. I don't know if we'll ever know, but it is something that can definitely, hey, I'll tell you, mama pang can throw it around back then too. Just gonna say, just gonna leave it at that. She's an absolute sociopath, her entire fucking her end is one, but very, this is what we wanted. I think we might, I don't know. I don't think we said this last week. I said this with someone else. This is what we wanted from the acolyte where it's like, you see a flashback from a different point of view and be like holy shit, this is not

how it all appeared. Where in that sense it was exactly what it appeared. Yeah, it was just different angles. From different angles, yeah. So this, I appreciate this kind of shit and it was eye opening again. We did kind of call that Julian Rush red light therapy going on there. Yeah.

And Julian Rush, credit to him because a lot of the season I was kind of like, why is this guy even around? And by the finale I was like, oh, it makes sense. You needed him around so you could eventually put Francis through that weird therapy. And also it gave us that flashback episode with Sophia as well.

So that was probably still, I mean, we could talk about it afterwards. I think that Sophia episode is my favorite episode of the season to be completely honest with you. Yeah, I think that's gonna end up being the one that people will be the most chosen. It's like the bear with the Christmas episode and forks, fishes and forks.

I think you go that episode or again, I like the next episode. The one right after. Those two lead, unless you wanna go the finale too, just cause it is like dark like even watching it last night like when the finale ends you don't have the feeling you had after like the sophie episode where you're like oh my god what television like you did in the season sense but the finale ended and me and my fiance looked at each other we're just like

oh man we need batman man we need the bat Batman back in Gotham. We got to have someone stop this motherfucker. Which is what they want you to feel. I think when they put that fucking signal in the sky thinking you want to you want to feel fired up for the Batman too. And I was so they bring Oz in present day to Monroe's and they have Francis right in front of him. Oz has the shit in his mouth. He's like gagged and they threatened to cut off her finger with the cigar cutter that Sophia stole

from Oz's apartment. It's Sophia and her henchmen, I think it's Enzo or someone that's threatening to cut off the finger unless Oz says what he did. She's like, tell her what you did to your brothers. And he's in complete denial to the point where he's gonna let them cut her finger off. He's like, what? No, did to your brothers. And he's in complete denial to the point where he's going to let them cut her finger off. He's like, what?

No, you're crazy. No, no. And his performance here, it's so good. And he shows so many sides of himself in this. He shows the desperate Oz. He shows the conflicted Oz. And in this part, he is desperate. He's begging.

He's screaming. And they're all saying like oh my god You're gonna let you're gonna let us cut her finger off aren't you you're just gonna you're gonna let this happen Francis herself is screaming at him like you're so selfish. It's my fucking finger Francis snaps on him straight up calls him the devil She she goes in his face and is like you are the devil and with a broken bottle fucking smashed it Stabs him in the gut. This is 10 15 minutes into the episode his face and is like you are the devil and with a broken bottle fucking smashes it stabs him in the gut. This is 1015 minutes into the episode I'm like okay Penguin just got

stabbed so what the fuck is happening for the rest of the finale and then she goes to walk away she sees her other two sons. I think this is the moment where the stroke hits right this is the beginning of the stroke we find out later she had a massive stroke but she just passes out that makes Penguin hulk up and fucking snap out of his chair, start shooting the henchmen and they escape. But what an intro where it's like, this could have been the final 15 minutes of the episode with the emotional weight and gravity that this all had. But this is how they start things off. I thought we were going to have like I thought the whole episode could take place here and we

have little bits and parts on the outside and then maybe 10 minutes left is where we get the fallout from whatever happens in there and the fact we just got 15 minutes and still got all those just heavy scenes and the she says it I think to Rex and then it gets brought back up when she's talking to him the mom uh the devil is in my house, and then she calls him the devil. And Sophia's also like, well, he kind of like made the devil, so does that make you the devil? You kind of raised him as, you know. It's a weird chicken or the egg thing too.

In this episode, you learn that it went back a little bit to like the whole series, I thought Francis raised the devil, and now you're like, ooh, he might've been the devil, and then she was like, all right, I thought Francis raised the devil. And now you're like, oh, he might've been the devil. And then she was like, all right, I guess I raised the devil. Yeah, and it's like, I guess I could make the devil do some stuff for me here and I'm never gonna, you know.

That's the thing about Oz, you see this as, you see it in the scene a little bit when they're in Monroe's. We also see in Monroe's when he's a kid, smooth talking Oz. That boy can sell water two a well, right? Catch a popsicle to a woman with white gloves or whatever the line is It's been a while since I've seen how a boy yeah, I thought that was a Clem original right there I was just like I wish I was There was a quote recently a bar still quote somebody did the animal house like when Germany bombed Vietnam

Or something someone did that and everyone was like no For harbour. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah So Oz brings his mom to the hospital that scene was very Tony and Livia Well, you know It's a different vibe than Tony and Livia because he's still looking out for his mom Even though she just said all that horrible shit about him with Tony and Livia. He's fucking telling her like fucking you're the worst. I know. I fucking know what you tried, whatever.

But they wheel her in. And then Vic meets him in the hospital as he's stapling up his own gut. That was a gross scene, too. Just seeing him staple is I wonder how they did that, too. Like Colin Farrell, is he actually stapling a fat suit together there? That's are they letting him put the staples in? I don't know. That's a great question. I also was like once you got the bottle to the gut, I'm like, is Penguin cooked?

Like, is he is he really? Yeah. You got to actually I thought he was like, maybe I'd kill him. Yeah. And now granted again, go back. I can't remember the acolyte back up on this. But we had lightsabers through the gut and people were like, yeah, shaking them off and stuff like that. This is a different universe. But I think at this point,

it's like I can just suspend belief or disbelief. I never know how that saying goes correctly. So it's like, he's gonna live through the battle to the gut. He's gonna be able to staple himself up. He's just a tougher guy. Maybe he says, you know, he can put the little superhero Armor plot armor on him and stuff like that

But at the same point I was kind of like he should be like dead now I don't know how yeah bottles to the gut work luckily knock on wood. I've never taken a Broken bottle to the view broken bottle to the guy believe it or not. I haven't believe it or not, I haven't. I'm very happy. But between the scene at the hospital with his mom and then going back to Monroe's where the way Sofia is getting the reactions out of him and his mom, and you would know a lot more about this than I would, this is the kind of like psychological torture

that I feel like the Batman comic books are famous for when Joker does something really fucked up it's like makes your stomach hurt fucked up right and I don't think you get that from other comics is that a fair thing to say you would know a lot more than I would I think for that kind of stuff yeah as far as other comics I'm not as knowledgeable on them as much, but it's definitely a thing in the Batman comics going all the way back to like you look at when the Joker killed Jason Todd, the second Robin, he killed him with a crowbar.

And it's like, they could have just said he killed him, but they show you in these panels him beating him over and over and over again and just beating him to a bloody pulp. That's definitely a thing in the Batman comics where sometimes, you know, you'll flip to a splash page that's such a heartbreaking reveal, you're like, oh my God, this is the darkest thing ever. In the Matt Reeves universe, they do something, even the way the series ends, they have like tingeous little hints of horror in a way that no other Batman really has it they did it with the Riddler where they kind of had him feel like a zodiac

killer the way the Batman opens with that first kill is like pretty fucking scary by the end of the penguin was like oh there's little aspects of Oz Cobb where he kind of feels like like a horror movie villain right now like he's terrifying in a way that Batman villains aren't always terrifying. It's an interesting dynamic too, where it's like, they're going to need to have a fun Batman in the DCU because the Matt Reeves Batman, as much as I love this universe, you can't take your kids to see these Batman movies. Like isn't Batman for kids? So I was actually, I'm watching the Penguin last night and I'm like, an agent came down when I was watching, like, like

recap videos and everything. And I was like, Can I show him the Batman was like, I don't think I can show him that I don't think it's pretty disturbing. Like I'm disturbed. Like I when I'm rewatching, I'm fast forwarding part with this parts with the rats and you know, the guy getting his face taped up and collar like that. Yeah, the bomb collar that eventually just kills him. It's not even like he gets out of that Batman saves the day It's like no he blows his head off. It's metal It's a metal universe that we need like you said we need to have

Almost like another version of Batman, which I guess they're gonna do anyway So it works out and it's funny if you just look and I can't speak of any at that What was a bat fleck was what they called him? Yeah just look at I can't speak of any at that was a bat fleck was what they call them. Yeah, yeah, I can't speak on bat fleck. I just decided to skip that entire entry. But you think about where Keaton's Batman was and then where like those Batman's ended up with the ridiculousness and Keaton's was the dark one.

People were like, I can't imagine Batman getting darker than this. Like, it got way darker. You're thinking of Nolan. You're like, Nolan, this is grounded. This is like kind of real life, but it still has a spectacular side of it with the Joker and Bane and all that kind of stuff. And then Reeves is like, boys, buckle up. We're about to go to fucking Arkham and you're going to feel like you're in Arkham, right? Like this is, and I think, I think all things considered, this is my favorite iteration of the universe so far. Dark Knight obviously, to keep our streak alive, we'll bring up the Dark Knight again.

The Dark Knight will probably forever be my favorite Batman movie, but I think I like Gotham the most like this right now, because it feels real. And it feels real, but in a way that's still fictional. I go back and forth. I love the Keaton Gotham because it feels real, but in a way that's still fictional. I go back and forth. I love the Keaton Gotham because it feels so Gothic and like strange in a comic booky way. And then I love the Dark Knight because it feels so real.

I feel like this is the perfect combination of those two where it still feels a little like, there's like that emo Gothic flair, even in Wayne Manor, when you see him walking around in, it's like the penthouse Wayne Manor that he has in the Batman when Alfred gets bombed and shit. It feels like weirdly Dracula inspired or something It's like you can imagine an organ in there or something and I guess that's because Robert Pattinson's a fucking vampire when you go back

Through his filmography, but this is it's a really cool Like yes, it feels real with Gotham Square Garden and Times Square, but also Time Square has 10 trillion more screens than it has in real life. So it has that like, a little otherworldly. So Oz goes back to visit Billy Walsh, his old friend Councilman Haiti at City Hall. And I had a feeling this was going to happen when he's saying a thick like, how do I look, I gotta look the pot, you know, because he fucking going to City Hall right I had a feeling it was gonna happen when he's saying a thick like how do I look? I gotta look the pot, you know

I was like is he fucking going to City Hall right now and City Hall the building they use where He has the conversation with Haiti and then he sees Bella Riel that building was in Batman forever It's such a cool Easter egg, but there's like screenshots of them side by side and it's like oh shit They use the Batman forever building for another Batman project that's very cool but he tells Billy Walsh all about Sofia's car bomb that she you know obviously had to use to get one over on a very smart guy who was running a drug operation down there Sal Maroney and throwing it right on Sal and throwing it right on Sophia and even Billy Walsh's performance. I don't know his real name, but Billy Walsh being like, oh, interesting. Is any of that story true?

And he's like, of course it's true. What are you talking about? And he's telling him how much of a great look it would be for City Hall to be the ones to clamp down on this. He's like, hey, you already turned the power on. If you're this guy, you could ride that to the top. And he goes and he looks at Belariel afterwards. We've heard that Belariel is putting together this crime, anti-crime and corruption task force.

It's very clear based on this scene that Azkab has aspirations in politics, that maybe one day he's going to run for mayor of Gotham, just like we've seen the penguin do so many times in the past. And I didn't even consider this as a possibility. The foolish me in my brain, when I'm looking at gangster Ozcob, I'm not thinking like he's gonna run for mayor like the rest of the Penguins. I'm just like, oh, he's gonna be the kingpin of Gotham. At this point, I'm like, oh my god, how did I not realize he's gonna run for mayor? Because they do that shot from behind too, where it's like the series basically opened

with the ending of the Batman, him looking out the iceberg lounge at Gotham being like, this is all gonna be mine. And they hit you with that shot from behind here from standing on the city hall steps with the same vibe of like, might not happen in the Batman two. I know the election just happened,

but by the Batman three, this motherfucker is running for mayor and Penguins been mayor and Batman right? Oh I mean Batman returns. He's running for mayor. I know in the Gotham television show. He's running for mayor in the comics He runs for mayor. This is like a Key thing that his character he wants power in that way. He wants to be Celebrated in that way even by Gotham and And this Oz, like after he's lost everything, after he hasn't gotten that approval from his mother,

of course it makes sense to go down that step next. I loved it, man. I love it. Because it's like, what is he going to do? He's reached his goal and he's just going to like rest on his laurels or just, you know, he's going to obviously have the bat problem popping up. But no, we have a whole other set of it.

And I was trying to think, when we first heard about this series, was this the series that we thought was gonna be about the Gotham Police Department, or was that a separate series to The Penguin? Separate. There was like three in the works. It was like The Penguin, the Gotham City Police Department, and Arkham. And at this point, they canceled those two, maybe just to focus on this, but it's like, I kind of want both of those series back. Can we bring the Arkham series and the Gotham City PD series back in development or combine the two?

Can we have a half Gotham half Arkham series? Like I want to know more about this Gotham in this universe. I want to spend more time in this universe. Yeah, I do. I wonder, and I also do think like you could do something like that and still make it very good where it won't have the expectations or the like weight of what it's called The Penguin and you have Colin Farrell. It's like, all right, this has to be a certain series in even casual viewers eyes that I think could be a little more for the nerds here, right? That's for the basement.

Oh, yeah, absolutely. You could give the Easter eggs and the cameos and stuff that this episode didn't necessarily have. We got Bella Riel and you got the mustache cop again. Oh my god! It wasn't like they were using big ones, you know? I thought maybe we got Gordon. I had a feeling we probably weren't gonna get Batman. But it was a whole series where they didn't rely on cameos or gotchas or point to the screen like Rick Dalton. It didn't need any of that. It was just good writing through and through. cameos or gotchas or point to the screen like Rick Dalton.

It didn't need any of that. It was just good writing through and through, good show running, good acting. Everything about the show, I wouldn't change a thing. Looking at the eight episodes, there's not one thing I'd be like, well, I wish they didn't do that and I wish they did that. Eight perfect episodes, they didn't have one filler episode.

You could have done 10, you could have done 10 episodes, season two filler episodes, people would have still called it an amazing season. They said, we're throwing a fucking perfect game with 2 filler episodes people would have still called it an amazing season They said we're throwing a fucking perfect game with this and who would have thought it's the penguin We had two things come out in October Imagine you told this ten years ago in ten years You're gonna get a series about the penguin and you're gonna get a movie about the Joker and Harley Quinn Which one are you gonna be more interested in I'd be like probably the Joker one. I would imagine no

It's not at all, like not even close. One is the worst thing I've ever seen with my own two eyes and one is the best. And it's, you know, DC coming through with this and granted like I know people were big fans of Agatha when it was all said and done. So I can't say Marvel like is just missing left and right. It sounds like they're starting to come back here

but it's like, like, we, this is exactly what we're hoping DC, like give us a shred of hope to go along with like a couple of movies that have been good here and there and they got it. They, this is the blueprint, like you said, that Marvel has to follow where it's like, if you can get like some good acting, some good writing, obviously the production value of the money

to do whatever you want, you can do this. And now it makes the Batman 2 not only like looking great and like built up for people like us, but like now people he said Tommy's gonna go see it now and all these people in the office who would have never even cared about the Batman 2 are like I can't fucking wait I'm going opening weekend to see what happens to Colin Farrell and you know God knows what other characters we had. I mean Jesus. I got another one in the office texted me right now Clem I just as we're recording this got a text from our boss Dave Fortnoy oh did you watch the Penguin finale I said yes he said I shrieked when the bat

signal flipped on to end the show Bob I can't lie I. However, the fact that you told me it could happen, I was like, are they going to do it? And the fact that they did it, man, that's the only reason I was so fired up. I was just like, oh, they did it. They did. I was right. I was right. And I mean, spoilers for the ending. But Dave just said, I said, so awesome. Did you love it? And he said, yes, killing Vic was so insane, but so perfect. And yeah, we'll get to that. We'll get to that in a few minutes. It was fucking insane. But before we get there, while Vic is still alive, Sophia offers all of the gangs that Oz assembled, basically everything for Oz. She's like, I'm leaving Gotham. I don't want anything. You could have everything as long as you bring me

Oz first. Another good sit down scene where Sophia is showing she's really the one in control here. Or is she? She thinks that. Maybe she's not. Vic gets a call from the Triads while Oz is at City Hall and he's trying to convince Vic to give away his location. You kind of get a sense like, is he trying to convince Vic to double cross Oz? And I figured Vic wouldn't, but we heard so much about this finale taking twists and turns

and doing things you wouldn't expect that in the back of my mind, it was like, I don't know, maybe he fucking will double cross Oz. Maybe he's power hungry. I don't know. Like they had me going for a sec. You threw sweet Vic on the sus list, Bob, without a second. There's multiple moments in this series, like even in the ending here, where I knew what was gonna happen,

but the show was so good that for a split second, it convinced my mind that that was not gonna happen. So they go, go ahead, yeah. It just, that was one thing I just loved about the show in general, like you're saying. Like it always left something hanging out there. Like it's like, all right, Vic's assembling the gang right now. And we never saw that the last episode. We're like, all right, Vic's assembling the gang right now.

And we never saw that the last episode. We're like, all right, that's still up in the air. We don't know what's coming from that, right? And then when you said the guy from the triads called, you're like, all right, I don't know which side he's playing for or how it's all gonna shake out. And it happened every single week.

And there was never a time it didn't feel earned or like a realistic choice by whoever made it. Even if it was like a complete 180 from where we thought it was going, it always panned out and made sense. It always was logical for Penguin. Penguin always just like escaping by the skin of his teeth, but it never felt like it was a little crazy. There's a couple of times with like where he would escape from being knocked out and tied up and everything. I'm like, all right, that seems a little much, but it's like, I can get by that

if everything else is airtight, and it was. I was gonna say, they built up enough goodwill in the show that when you have a moment in the finale where it gets stabbed and then he's running around after stapling his own stomach and he's fine, you're like, all right, I can excuse it. It's good enough, I can fucking excuse it. It's whatever.

And there was that moment with the Triads and the other gangs earlier in the episode when you see Vic trying to like, kind of like rally the troops and give them a motivational speech to go get Oz. And he fucking just gets punched in the stomach. And they're like, hey, watch your fucking mouth. Don't talk to us like that.

Know your role, know your role and shut your mouth they gave him the rock and i also thought that was him almost looking out for vick being like dude you don't know how these people are you know like i i appreciate that i'm gonna give you a punch to the gut so you don't get a bullet to the gut exactly and or a bottle to the gut which would have been fine i think it would have been okay but i yeah i was like but the fact he punched in the guy i was like that actually makes me think this guy's looking out for vick and it might be a good thing for os down the road and it was because then they have os they come and you know the triads come and get os he's like what the fuck is happening here and they call sophia and they're like you want us to meet you at the estate and she's like no no meet me at the airport

she goes and burns down the fal estate to a fucking Nirvana cover, which was so brilliant, where it was like, Oh, shit, they're bringing Nirvana back into the universe. Was it where did you sleep last night? I think it was. It was so good to bring it in there. And even the way she did it lighten the three cigarettes, the way it was shot where she's throwing a cigarette on the desk throwing a cigarette on the bed and just lighting that past on fire of hers. She goes and meets them at the airport and it's another double cross she never saw coming.

And you almost, you almost feel bad for her in this moment. When they all get shot and it's like, oh, you didn't even have a fucking chance here. And Oz says, let's go for a drive It started making me feel bad for Sophia and we were kind of team Sophia throughout the show So it's not you know a crazy shock to start feeling bad for her But another thing where I felt like I knew where it was going in terms of I thought I knew Sophia would survive this series you'd be able to use her in the Batman part to Send her back to Arkham. By the time Oz is walking her out by the water with the gun, I had convinced myself, oh my

god, he's really going to kill her. Like, he's actually going to shoot her, and that's how this series is going to end for Sofia Falcon Gigante. But no, he walks her out, there's silence for a few seconds, the way they shot this is great too, a real close-up of her face, you see like a light in the background and then the lights just turn on. The second the lights turn on completely, you know what happened, Oz set her up again

and he's sending her back to Arkham. Someone who probably would have rather been shot in that moment and rather been dead is now going back to her personal hell and the mustache cop is of course the guy to bring her in. But another one where it's like, it makes your heart hurt for this awful person where you're just like oh my god you're going back to the worst place on earth when they're throwing the HE double hockey sticks around talking a lot about hell and then when he's like you're

going to hell and he completely fucking flips it on her and she thinks she's going to the you know literal hell and she's going to the figurative hell that was that was fucking another chef's kiss and I said you said your brother sent you the chef's kiss I tweeted out this chef kiss afterwards like that's all I could say about like 10 different parts of this episode going back to the song dude that song when I'm like oh shit shit, we're going Nirvana here. And I don't know if Nirvana I think that someone might have done it before Nirvana. But that's why it's like a famous it's from there unplugged, like is such a famous cover that.

And when I heard that, I remember I was fucking alive when that fucking came out, obviously. And then I was probably like the angsty teen stage. And I remember I had a like, what the fuck was that song? You know, that song gets in your head. And then when I saw this and she's there, the cigarettes and just her complete change from the like doe-eyed girl who, you know, just wanted to do the right thing and was helping out women and trying to help, you know, her mom's memory to like what she's become. I was like, holy fuck. And this is another thing that again, I would imagine the comic book people like you would love. I can see her drawn in the exact way she's looking, red everywhere, cigarettes, fire,

the whole just like, oh, it was just incredible, man. It was fucking sick. And that cover over it all was colder than a penguin's dick. That's all I could really say about that. And I also have to say this, I hate to, you know, two characters we love, Penguin and Sophia. Great. Those two are so bad at carrying out their plans for revenge and finally killing their rivals. It was like watching and hey, this is going to hurt both of us. It was like watching my Mets and your Yankees try to take down the Dodgers. It's just like the Mets just couldn't

fucking, they had the bases loaded, just couldn't get the big hit and the Yankees would just kick the ball over the infield or have a base running error and the Dodgers would just, it's like, they just kept fucking giving it up and I'm like, you were so stupid. And I was legitimately mad at Sophia when he was duct taped to that chair and I'm like, so it's a chair he can break

because it's an old ass chair. I was mad at her at that chair. And I'm like, so it's a chair he can break because it's an old ass chair. I was mad at her at that moment. Yeah. Did you think that he might hulk up and get mad if you have his mom in custody? You might fucking, you know, and break her, rip off her finger and then have her say stuff

that's gonna really just like tear away at his soul. So fucking Sophia, same thing when she goes to that meeting. You don't think there's a chance one of these criminals might double fucking cross you and put you in the you know It harms white all the gangs in Gotham who you've double crossed in the past Yeah It is the Mets and Yankees comparison is good like the Yankees that they came five like they had the advantage and everything And then like Aaron judge drops a ball and Garrett Cole forgets to cover first and you're like, are you guys fucking idiots? Wait a minute.

You guys play baseball? Like you have to like, you have to think about like, wait, Oz, you're in the mob, right? You've been around this before? Yeah, I guess not. Yeah. And this does play in the penguins like hands perfectly. The whole like, hey, fuck the establishment. If you're like the person who's being passed over and heavy spoilers made this point, but

I'm singing the same thing. It's very Godfather where it's like, like hey the old heads of the five families you've done and now like you know new stuff can rise up from the soil now. And that's a whole thing in The Long Halloween which we will do a comic book club on eventually. A lot of that story and even that Batman universe is about the changing of the guard from organized crime to costumed crime. And it goes from the Falcons and the Morones to the Joker and the Penguin and Poison Ivy and these, you know, insane Batman's rogues gallery that we know and love. Gotham is going to be taken over by them. And I have a feeling based on how much of

the Batman and the Penguin feel like they were inspired by the long Halloween, that's where this whole universe is going. I feel like by the Batman three, we might have the Riddler and the Penguin and the Joker and Catwoman, we might have them in the same room together. There's like a classic splash page

of all of them in the long Halloween. And I feel like we might be getting there with this. Like they're doing a good job of putting their villains in Arkham so far not killing them I know it's only been one movie in one show, but build that up We don't want to see the villains die throw them all in Arkham and then do fucking the Batman 3 where he gets locked in Arkham with them and do that Grant Morrison Arkham story or something. I'm looking at this I think the splash page you're talking about it's pretty fucking it's like Joker's sitting on the desk, right? And then yes. Yeah

Wow, that's pretty fucking dope. Yeah, and like I desk, right? And then yes. Yeah. Wow, that's pretty fucking dope Yeah, and like I said, what do that? That'd be all time Yeah and I mean go like you said organized crime to cross to crime and then it gives this penguin series that much more weight cuz it's Like this was we watched it through eight episodes Basically the end of organized crime with Moroni dying and obviously Falcone dying beforehand and the whole Falcone family getting gassed in their sleep I mean and this is fucking god bless man. They fucking crushed this show They did Matt Reeves trust in Matt Reeves that guy

He knows what he's doing from Cloverfield to the fucking Planet of the Apes movies to the Batman I trust Matt Reeves with my life. So who's on the show the trustless trust the Reeves. I Mean trust the foggies gun I mean trust the foggy's gone. I gone We've got and gone we trust trust the trust the Reaves. I still like his flickering It's not on the sign is up in the base and trust the flaggy But it is not on right now trust the Star Wars light might be unplugged for the time being we've made room in the outlets For that. Yeah, Filoni we trust but only is good. Yes Star Wars as a whole is definitely not lit up, especially.

Yeah. We could get into that, you know, at the end of the show, if we want to talk about the rumor trilogy, there's a lot of trust going on in that universe right now. We got trust issues with Star Wars right now. Let's not even talk about it right now. Let's stay positive on the- Let's stay on the good side. Let's stay on the good side. DC, they're giving the good stuff. That's how you know we're living upside down. Another thing, 10 years ago, imagine telling us 10 years ago, like you're going to be breaking down the amazing DC programs and you're not really going to want to watch

the Marvel stuff coming out. 10 years ago, tell me after Endgame. Oh no, don't worry. DC is going to save the day when Marvel hits the skids after Endgame. Crazy, man. Crazy. So he goes back to the hospital, check on his mom. Let me just say something right now what's in my head please. For people who love the Penguin that did not watch the Batman or watched it in the theaters or haven't seen it in a while. Just go back and watch it. It's gonna become so much better. Especially when you're not at home, when you're at home, you're not in the theater. It's a long movie.

When Mike Fox said this, your brother, that's how I knew I wasn't crazy. He goes, the end, it gets it gets the leg draw it out a little Bit and he tried it. He said he tried to do all three Nolan movies in one movie So it's like go back and watch it and notice at the end you might be a little like Fatigued but it's so fucking good and it's gonna get you more excited for it Do you watch penguin or for the Batman 2 in the whole universe? That's coming up I just wanted to put that out there. And I also think the ending does drag a little

bit when they're in Gotham Square Garden as we've talked about but the end the actual end ending where Batman's giving the speech and having the people you know helicoptered away and helping people realize he can't be about vengeance and then they talk to Sofia or not Sofia to Selena and it's just Batman and Selena and they drive their separate ways To end that movie that's such a Batman Catwoman relationship thing I love the actual like the final five minutes of that movie I think are fucking awesome and up there with some of the best endings of Batman movies Which Batman movies are great at endings the know all three Nolan endings are like three of my favorite movie

endings ever. So they go back to the hospital to check on his mom. Unfortunately, Frances is now in a vegetative state. She is a complete vegetable. This is what she didn't want. This is what she begged Oz in the last episode, or maybe the one before, to kill her before she got to this point.

And he gives maybe his best performance of the series in the next five minutes, where he's begging her to say something he's screaming at the nurse, what the fuck do you mean go get the fuck a doctor you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. And then he's on the side of the bed just begging her say something ma, say you're proud of me please I did it. I'm the fucking king I did it. He can't believe that he's finally made it to the point that he's been basically working his entire life to get to for his mom and

His mom can't be there to appreciate it his mom the last thing she ever said to him was you're the fucking devil You're the worst you're selfish though one of the worst humans ever like she'd be raided And that's the last thing he's ever gonna hear from his mom And it is like just a heartbreaking scene even though you hate Oz already at this point you sort of hate him You're like, holy fuck this this was the scene where as soon as I saw him crying Bedside I was like if there was any doubt that he wasn't gonna get the Emmy or the Golden Globe here it is I know he's gonna be against my guy Jake Gyllenhaal to for presumed innocent. It was a great show really really good It wasn't this good. yeah that that was as he's excuse me as he's doing the crying everything I'm like oh this is like the last this is

the guy trying for like the 50-point game and shoot it yeah exclamation point on the MVP argument it's Lamar Jackson last year against the Niners you're like all right this guy just won the trophy. I was about to say this. Ever since The Wire, I think got like one nomination during its entire fucking run for the Emmys. I do not care about the Emmys. So if it doesn't win, I'm not going to get mad. I have buried that part of my soul

that gets mad about Emmys. That being said, it will be bullshit if he does not win one for this. And someone said it perfectly. Penguin Azkab is the exact son that Olivia soprano would have wanted doing everything for her don't worry I got it I'll take care of you you know um ironically does he want to put her in a nursing home doesn't want to put her in a nursing home give her the stars and the moon the penthouse she's always wanted

remembers every little thing she says almost I mean Olivia would find a way to hate him and push him away. But nonetheless, like that was that was a spot arm spot arm, excuse me, spot on Mark. But it's also like, he's also just really just he he asked Cobb, his brothers, who like, you know, I don't know if they loved him like brothers, you know, they loved him, but it's like they always try to include him, you know? And then obviously Vic, who we'll get to, and then the one person, he kills those people, but then the one person that's like, if I ever enter into the vegetative state, please kill me. He does not listen to those wishes.

That's Ma, herself. Crazy. And the one that we all said from episode one. That's the most obvious death We've ever seen in a television show. Of course, she's gonna die who's gonna kill it That was the only question is who's gonna kill her eventually someone's gonna kill her the fact that they kept her alive was shocking and Horrible like you're like, oh my god, please kill her like this is what she wanted and he won't do it it is fucking crazy but you're right about that Olivia comparison I saw some people saying the same thing where they were like this is what Olivia wanted but Olivia would have found the reason to not want it in that

way in the same way so they go out and they sit by the water and it's just Oz and Vic and they've done it they've made it to the top this is everything they've spent the series trying to do. And again, for the third time in this episode, Clem, my mind is telling me this is where he's gonna have to kill Vic. We've been thinking the whole series, he's gonna kill Vic, right?

He's gonna kill Vic. But it went on long enough where I convinced myself, no, I guess Vic is gonna stay alive, and it's gonna be these two in the Batman part two until Vic said the word family the second he said you're like family now when he let that out it's like oh but Oz he doesn't have a good history with family Vic and he says yeah Vic I'm not gonna be able to take you with me this time and like my heart dropped again and I was just like my heart was fucking doing jumping jacks at how many times it was dropping. She's like,

Oh my god, here we go. And he fucking strangles him. Total Tony Christopher vibes from how long it took to strangle him as well, how much he's begging and how much he's fighting. And I think they said in the post show, little blurb that they do in the script, it said like, it is excruciating to watch, but you can't look away, we never cut away. And he's begging him and even Colin Farrell's face, he has like tears in his eyes,

almost like a smile as he's doing it as well. He looks like a sick fuck, strangles Vic, takes his ID, throws it in the water. He's just gonna be a John Doe found on the side of the Gotham River. We knew it would happen. It still hurt when it happened. I didn't think I would like Vic this much, episode one.

Like I really grew to like this guy. Yeah, and hey, we were like, this ain't gonna be good. We had Mama Penguin one of the like, Deathless, Deadpool. Vic was too, unfortunately. And we kind of the like deathless and he stayed around and he fucking just did him. He did him the way that Falcon killed

all those girls too. Hangman style, right? Just choking them out which I'm wondering if Penguin ever did do any of Carmine's bidding, you know, with any of those. I was thinking that too. You're thinking that too and another

thing that I don't know how many people picked up on and I don't know if it was meant to be kind of a symmetry of their relationship but episode one, they're drinking ice together at the end of the episode, right? And it's so happy go lucky. Dolly's coming on nine to five at the end. They're drinking whiskey together. It's much more adult, even that kind of cost because it's like, he's not really

made for that whiskey or bourbon, whatever it was they were drinking. And it's like, yeah, man, you've, you've become an adult and you're dying now. And it was, I knew, like you said, you're like, all right, we made it. And then it's almost like when they opened the door and Goodfellas and Tommy realized he's not getting his button, you know? It's like, oh no. And it's just like the corruption of this kid.

It almost has that night of feel of like you took this innocent kid who's maybe into stealing hubcaps or whatever he's doing. He's not the most innocent kid, but he's doing little petty crimes. And you take him to, oh, he got way too involved with the wrong guy, Oz. And got murdered by the end when if not for Oz, he's in California with his girlfriend, right, Graciela or whatever.

He's going on the butts. And it's tough. It's a tough, tough ending for Victor. It's also a tough ending for Sophia, but she gets an interesting letter. We cut to her in Arkham. Julian Rush, he's back in Arkham. I guess he got his job back there. So there'll be a thing in the Batman part too. I'm sure he'll help her break out maybe with the help of her half sister as well. He's like, you got all the general letters. You got people want to marry you, crazy fans, whatever. This one, a little interesting.

And instantly I'm like, tell me it's who I think it is. Tell me it's who I think it is. And of course it is from Selena Kyle. Says she's your half sister. The thought of getting Zoe Kravitz and Kristen Milioti on screen together in the Batman part two, scheming together. Obviously Catwoman has that vigilante vibe.

She's more of a hero in The Batman, but I could see her, you know, walking that line in The Batman Part 2, making Batman maybe a little pissed off about the fact that she helps get her half-sister out of Arkham. I think that was such a good tease. That was probably my favorite tease for The Batman Part 2 right there. Yeah, that got me excited. In fact, we're going to have this character coming back and not just be lost in Arkham and forgotten about for I would hope Batman 2 maybe in project if it doesn't happen in Batman 2 or something's alluded to the next project whatever that is after that um at the same point

I'm hoping Catwoman can like talk some sense into her again there's a lot of that in in Sophia there where it's like you guys are taking you know defeat the feet out of the joys of Vic Joseph victory Nonstop you have to stop doing this to yourself so that that that was tough to watch but yeah We were always hoping that the whole half-sister thing and the fact they both hate Carmine Could bring them together to good characters and here we are Here we are and then the series ends with this creepy again horror inspired I think scene of Oz showing up at this penthouse. He's got the fur coat on. He doesn't put it on but he's walking with the top hat nice and subtle enough where it's like alright he's got that outfit of the show he was watching when he was a kid with his mom the night his brothers died right? He's got the fishtail in the back and he looks great in the very comic accurate suit.

Like I was just like oh my god this is is I could imagine him as an action figure right here. And he goes in talks to his mom and he's like, I know everything you ever wanted, right? And she just has one teardrop. And it is a chilling tear of like he's taking that as, oh, yeah, you're so happy. I know. And it's like, no, dude, she is being tortured every second of her life by you in just that empty room to empty room hospital bed He's like you look better than you did yesterday. It's like bro. She is not improving. I promise you

There's no improvement happening here, and then he walks into this Open space so much like it looks like a gal is happening, but nobody's there except Eve. And Eve is dressed in his mother's jewelry and dress. She's got the mother's hair, like the hair's up the same way. And he dances with her to end the show. And he just says, you know, tell me I did it. Tell me I'm the best. Tell me I'm the king. And she's telling him all this stuff. And he's like, I know Ma, and they just have this creepy, creepy dance. I thought he was gonna kill Eve,

but again, I almost think it's worse that he didn't. I almost think it's worse that she is just, maybe his hostage, maybe his prisoner. We don't know if he knows, he probably knows she sold him out, the Crown Point thing. If he doesn't, he'll probably kill her when he finds out, or maybe he'll just keep her alive in this state But they pan out they show the Gotham City skyline and then just like I wanted to happen

We get the bat signal flicker on made Dave shriek made me shriek I loved that final shot even that the penguin the penthouse apartment. He's in looks so comic bookie Having the bat signal next to it. That was it. That was a splash page to end a book right there. Yes. Yep. Perfect splash page in the book. And yeah, Eve is in her own personal hell. She has to deal with this guy and the whole mom stuff, which is just gross, knowing that he played a role in her friends, you know, all these people dying and it's just no, nobody's happy but they have to put the smile on just to like survive and make it through. It's and her friends, you know, all these people dying. And it's just, nobody's happy,

but they have to put the smile on just to like survive and make it through. It's fucking, and that like, make no mistake about it. That stuff, when I was like, wait, I was like, is that the young mom? Oh God, no, that's Eve. That's the act of like the mom and he's the face in the bosom, if you may.

I was like, oh, this is, I did not feel good after that. After a full dark episode, that might've been the darkest shit. And it was supposed to be like- Left you with a bad taste in your mouth. Yeah. And shout out, some people did recognize like really early on in the series,

like, you know, Eve looks a lot like his mom. Maybe he's got one of those like complexes, whatever, there's like a name for it. Oedipus, Opl? Maybe Oedipus, Oedipus Oedipal Complex. But like I didn't notice that early. I wasn't looking at Eve episode one. I was like, oh, she kind of looks like his mom.

So the eagle eyed people to spot that I view with as much respect as the people that were like, oh, those boots. I think those are Boba Fett's boots. Like when they heard that in the Mandalorian or whatever. Those crazy people. I also want to just point out when Bella Riel said, or I think Billy Walsh's Bella Riel has put together this anti-crime, anti-corruption task force,

who do you think would be the head of that? Do you think it could be a possible new candidate for district attorney named Harvey Dent? Because generally, Harvey is the one going after the mob going after crime going after corruption and in the Batman the district attorney was killed. Ah, okay. I mean, listen, man, I feel like in the Batman 2 we're going to get like three to four potential

figures here coming in, right? I think so too. I think we're gonna get like a similar vibe to The Batman where you have the Riddlers, the main villain, but you also have the Penguin, you also have Falcone. I kind of like that for all Batman stories. Like I'm fine with having one villain, the Dark Knight, well, the Dark Knight has more than one,

so that's not a good example, but like, I guess Batman, no, Batman Begins has two two as well a lot of Batman stars have more than one but like Batman I'm fine having just the Joker that's totally okay I would prefer having more than one I think that's like part of what makes Batman so awesome is that his rogues gallery is that deep that you could be like ah fuck it give me the penguin and Catwoman and we're gonna make a whole story today's give me the penguin and so and so so like I I like having multiple in every movie

and it could build to that point where by the Batman 3, you could have a dozen fucking villains pop up like long Halloween style. And Colin Farrell did say he signed on for three movies, which I love to hear. Like we are blessed to get more and more of Colin Farrell as Oz Cobb. I assume we'll get more stuff, like probably more of him in the Batman 2 than we got in

the Batman 1. I looked it up. He had like 5 minutes 40 seconds of screen time in the first movie, which is crazy. You kind of think he has more. I assume he'll get double that in the Batman 2 and then by the Batman 3 maybe he's one of the main villains. Maybe even we get a Penguin season 2 in between Batman 2 and 3 because after saying like, oh yeah, I'm ready to never see that makeup ever again, right after the finale aired last

night I saw interviews with him where he was like, I mean the reception was so good, you know I'd be back for season 2. Yeah, you get a nice couple of new statues on the mantle, You'd be like, I could see, but it's like, I don't want them to force it. I want if they think that's something there. And I do think that this like brain trust will not force anything. I think they will do it if they feel like there's something to be told. But it's like, you just think about the amount of stuff they covered in this one. And the rise, it's a lot harder to do it when the guy's on top. And then you're not dipping into Batman and other people in the universe, which I did appreciate

You know, I know everyone got mad that bit just fucking never showed up. I think he was busy. I'm gonna say I'm gonna defend my guy But I also think like not having him come up and have to save the day Made it a better show that it just acted independently and I do do think, do you think we're gonna get Joker as, cause that's what everyone's thinking here, is we're gonna get Joker for two. I think we will get Joker. I would be shocked if he was the main villain though. I think the world is a little bit jokered out

even before Joker two, we've gotten a lot of the Joker. I would like to see Joker in kind of the, like the deleted scene we got between Batman and Joker from the Batman I would kind of like to see a scene like that be his scene in the Batman 2 and then maybe you save him for The third one as well by the third one. I think you could bring him around Barry Keegan's a great actor And at this point I do have the ultimate trust in Reeves But I like the Joker existing as someone Batman has to go talk to like Hannibal Lecter, where it's like I have to go talk to this fucking guy in Arkham to catch someone else

and I don't want to do this, but I'm gonna have to. Like I like that idea, so I think we'll get Joker in too. I think the main villain or villains in Batman Part II, I'm now leaning towards it being the Court of Owls, which is this underground Gotham cult that has like ties to the high ups in Gotham and stuff like that. I think we'll get him maybe Hush, who is another person who has like history of Bruce Wayne's past and his childhood and knows a lot about Bruce. I think they're gonna lean more into the conspiracy

mystery aspect rather than go Mr. Freeze or Joker right away or Clayface I know people are even bringing up. Okay okay I agree down with that and again like you said like Penguin can be there and you see him doing his own thing and he grows a little but you don't need him to be a one or two he's just kind of doing his thing. I need him prodding in the side like becoming an issue you know. And he's just a funny fucking his thing and I need him prodding in the side like becoming an issue, you know And yeah, it's just a funny fucking guy. He's a charming fucking guy whether you like him or not. Let's be honest He's charming fucking guy Alright, let's tell everyone about celebrity mint and then we're gonna get into some of the trailers that drops this week to end the podcast

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We got a new trailer for Captain America brave new world and a new trailer for Thunderbolts abstract at the end D23 Brazil and Honestly, I know we're in this weird zone where we're not completely trusted in the Feige right now the signs flickering Maybe I'm just a sheep by saying this. I thought both of these trailers looked sick. Like I thought the Captain America trailer with the big text on screen. I mean, both of them kind of had that vibe of text on screen. But they were edited in such a cool way. Like the Captain America one more Winter Soldier vibes. We say that every time we

see trailers or teasers from this, but the like your inner circle has been compromised sir Like all of that stuff just feels like Hydra is infiltrating again and all of the stuff we're getting of Harrison Ford They're not hiding the Red Hulk stuff But you think it's smart like we've seen the Hulk before so we know what the CGI looks like and we've also seen all The toys so we know he's Red Hulk already So they're like this is gonna be the movie where he fucking punches the shield and breaks it like I'm in on that little Jean-Carlo Esposito at the end too the reshoots make us a little worried but then again Rogue One they fixed Rogue One with reshoots Thunderbolts had

more of the same vibes where it feels like it's Marvel's Suicide Squad it feels like they're assembling this team that's not gonna get along at first. They're gonna have to learn to get along by the end. It's a lot of the people you wouldn't expect where you're like, oh, ghosts. Yeah, she was cool, I guess. A taskmaster, she was cool, I guess. I think they're gonna do something in this

where they just make them badass and they make them work. It seems like maybe they're in New York. People are saying, did Julie Louis Dreyfus buy Avengers Tower? And is that gonna be where they're operating out of now? Cuz the little asterisk at the end people think is the they're gonna be called the dark Avengers by the end of this movie I don't know. I don't have a ton to like break down and I don't have a ton of Easter eggs I've spotted in each other than everyone talking about the fact that taskmaster is barely in the Thunderbolts trailer Does not bode well for her odds of survival there.

What did you think of these trailers? Am I delusional? Am I just a positive Marvel fan talking out on my ass here? Did you think these look good as well? I don't know, they definitely look good. They definitely look better. Or they may be more excited for the movies, which I think has grown,

because I think I was pretty low on cap from day one. And Thunderbolts, same thing. I say like I I do tell myself now like Don't always this is exactly what trailers are meant to do So like pump the brakes clem don't go too crazy about it I will say there was one thing in the cap trailer that i'm like, this is what I feel like they've been missing The biggest star of that trailer was not cap or as AJ goes, can we call him Captain Falcon? And I think I might have called him that or Falcon America. I think I might have been calling him that during the series, which again, like Marvel, see what the penguin just did.

That's what Captain America should have been that show, like something on that level. I got these little bubbles popping up here. It wasn't Captain America should have been that show like something on that level. I got these little bubbles popping up It wasn't Captain America was not the star of that trailer Red Hulk was not the star of that trailer Do you know where the star of that trailer was in my humble opinion and it's been missing since Our boy Steve Rogers was in town That's it. That's a really good question. I mean in my Robbie Fox brain I was like Harrison Ford Ford, of course he's the star of

the trailers, the star of earth. No, I don't know. And it's not John Carla. Don't think of John Carla as Pizzito. The shield. The shield fucking came to play. And I love seeing the shield. That's it.

He's stepping on it to have it pop back up. Him doing that moving shit. Him slicing the thing and then when he gets it Was it a car thrown at him at the end? This the wings and the shield fucking slice the car in half like rise of Skywalker ray with the TIE fighter He took out three fucking like missiles airborne with the shield. I'm like, there's the shield That's the cap symbol and in the show I mean he'd even have it for half the time in the show

But you know when when Steve gives it to him at the end of endgame It's like alright, and then it kind of just went its own way it feels like now You know Superman has his cape back on that's all I'm gonna say so I have more faith in a fucking inanimate object So that's kind of what I'm selling myself on for cap again feel better about it still not there with Marvel And then with Thunderbolts It's like, I think they can go a long way with comedy here, you know? Comedy, have some fun with it, take some chances

that you wouldn't do with other movies. I do think there's a chance they both flop. I do think there's a chance they both would be better than expected. Oh, definitely. You don't think, you think, see, this is why, Bob, you cannot, that's, and you keep saying the sign is flickering.

Trustafoggy's sign is not flickering. It's on the wall still. It was off the wall, Bob. It's on the wall. But it is not on, it is not flickering. It is off on the wall right now. It's flickering in my world. It's my light's flickering.

All right, Bob. You know what? I will give them, again, I didn't see it. Maybe Agatha did a little more for you than me in the Marvel Universe because I yes You explained it to me where I didn't actually watch it So if you want to flicker based on Agatha you could pick a flicker based on Africa. That sounds like a wild thing I just said right there February for Captain America's like holy shit that's coming. I know it's soon

I was thinking the same thing is like pretty soon and what you said about Thunderbolts in the comedy I agree There was that one shot of Yelena Walking out and she like picks up the phone call and then something blows up behind her and in that shot someone out She's holding a guinea pig So they think that she went into like some lab or testing service saw guinea pig was like well I don't want to kill you and she walked out with it. There's the really funny exchange where they're like, Oh yeah, you're the fake captain America. John Walker's like, actually,

I was the official captain America. They're like, yeah, for a fucking minute, dude, like everyone just shitting on him. Like there's a lot of funny things, funny dynamic that could be built between the crew that they have of like three fake captain Americas and Bucky red Red Guardian, and John Walker. There's funny stuff there. A bunch of assassins and shit. Maybe even some cameos. Put them all together, you don't get one Captain America, right?

And then it's like, yeah, but is this the third Captain America? Even the Captain America? You don't have to go full Deadpool with it. You don't have to just be ribbing us, nudging us with an elbow the entire time. We don't need something on that level in terms of fan service-y stuff. But like you said, every time like a new name came on the screen and the letters,

and then they had their little moment, I was like, oh, that's what, I liked the thing when his arm was in the dishwasher. I'm a big dishwasher's name guy. I like using the dishwasher for everything. And it's like, that would be such a game changer to, dude, I don't have to wash this arm anymore manually. Hand wash, I can throw it in the dishwasher.

And again, we love Harvard, was David Harvard, right, right? That's right. The guy's name. I always called him by hopper I'm it's been so long since fucking stranger things was consistently on i've learned the guy's name So I I am very excited again like taskmaster ain't doing well and who's the guy that right now they're calling him bob What's his character name? I think he's gonna be sent, which is like he'll probably be the villain of the movie. And people are like Century fucking rules. Like I'm stoked for Century. If they can, maybe that's the thing, if they can land Century based on what I'm hearing

about him, I think this movie has a chance to be like, again, I'm looking for, I'm grading on curves right now. Like I'm doing pass fail, like just pass. That's all I'm asking. I think they're gonna pass. I'm grading on curves right now. Like I'm doing pass, fail, like just pass. That's all I'm asking. I think they're gonna pass. I've got the faith in them. I've got the light flicker and I have faith by the end of 2025.

Here's my statement. Say it. The light's gonna be on. I knew you were gonna say that. So I wanna hear you say that. And what's the, it's fantastic for the other one. That's- It's July, isn't it?

Yeah. Yeah. So at 25 as well. I will say this, if Fantastic Four crushes, I don't think the end is any way the light goes off, even if, because there's shows coming out too, right? That we're kind of like not too sure about. Even if these movies aren't great and those shows aren't great, if Fantastic Four crushes, the light can go back on.

Cause again, we're moving forward and I think 26 on is when Marvel is gonna get its footing in. So, because you know, this was during the dark days. I mean, they were still putting fucking Drax's arm on Khaleesi when they were making these movies. So, we still, this was kind of a dark period of Marvel still.

And then right real quick before we get out of here, we really don't have to break this news down because at this point, I have no faith that this news is gonna amount to anything. Lucasfilm has a new trilogy on the way the allegedly a new star wars trilogy summer calling it episodes eight or eight some are calling it episodes ten eleven and twelve summer saying it's a completely different trilogy. a completely different trilogy and Steinman Kinberg, the guy behind a lot of the X-Men franchise is behind it. He is the guy who wrote like Dark Phoenix and X-Men Last Stand. On the flip side, he wrote Days of Future Past. He was very involved in First Class.

He's the co-creator of Star Wars Rebels. He produced The Martian. He's one of these guys, almost reminds me of like David S. Goyer, I believe is the guy's name who he like co-wrote the Dark Knight and then he did Suicide Squad and it's like you really don't know How good they are or how much the studio is messing with their work. I feel Almost beaten down by Lucasfilm at this point where they announced a new Star Wars trilogy and there wasn't a bone in my body that

Got excited. Oh no. If they go into production, I'll get excited. I'm excited for Skeleton Crew in a few weeks. I'm like still in on Star Wars, but you got to prove to me that you're going to make the thing before I get excited. It feels like 75%, 85% of things they announce never see the light of day anymore. Okay, that's fair. It's just a matter of it actually baking into the screen as well. Because Bob, you came into Barstool, you were the little puppy golden retriever and everything was the greatest thing ever. We were so excited and it's been beat out of you from that sense.

Now we'll see how it comes. I mean, you're already saying the light's flickering, which I think there's that golden retriever still showing there a little bit, but that's a fair point. They just wiped out. I mean, Kathleen Kennedy has taken out like an Alderaan worth of movies basically, right? So, and TV shows along the way. So it's been tough.

When you said episode eight, I'm like, wait, are we gonna retry from eight and nine? Cause I'm down for that one. No, they made a perfect episode eight many years ago. You know, Brian Johnson's trilogy, I don't know what's happening with that cuz they still haven't confirmed that that's canceled or not. Okay, so at this point, the fact that it's still not part of, I don't know, is it even still called the Skywalker Saga?

Is that gonna be, if it has an episode in the title, that means it's Skywalker Saga. It is, cuz they're saying Rey would be the Obi-Wan of this story which is like it sounds cool to me because I like Ray's character but like is she old enough to be the Obi-Wan of this one are they gonna age her up they're gonna do re-aging how about this how about we stop calling it the Skywalker saga and we call it the Emperor saga because he's the only fucking guy that's somehow playing A part in the entire goddamn saga looks like a fucking bum for half of the fucking whoa You can't look as a bum or you can you buried it an hour 13 minutes into the podcast so people don't get too

Mad at you you can't be doing that no no Skywalker is a bum on this podcast none of that bum He's no through the lightsaber. None of that bum. He threw the lightsaber He went to that stupid salt planet. He did the little dust off a great great planet move bum move bum Trilogy, you know what this is. I'll quote the last Jedi here Salt It does judge up all those old feelings when I start talking about this stuff. So yeah, have all let's just move on from like, I think those I think we could just stop putting episode in the title. We have nine. They're over with every little bit like I love the Skywalker Saga.

I think eventually we're getting an 11 and 12. But like do that in 10 years, you know, like when the next generation has kids like yeah Right now seems quick to rush back into it. Maybe it's not even that though. There's a chance this is like a completely separate trilogy some of the Insiders are saying that and it would it wouldn't make a ton of sense to me because they're developing the Ray movies still separate from this So you're developing a solo ray movie and three ray movies in a trilogy. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me I think it's separate. a lot of sense to me. I think it's separate.

It's very tough too with Star Wars. I know they did this with the shows that were coming out with sometimes the same time as the movies, but man, they have a lot of timelines going on. If you're having the Grogu movie coming, I shouldn't call it Grogu, Baby Yoda movie coming out. And then the fact they put that in the title

makes me so fucking mad, because I can't say Mandalorian and Baby Yoda. You have that and then you have it's like you're gonna have all these timelines and everything you know the acolyte was off and or is now pre episode four. It's a lot of shit that like I just wish there was a little more chronological or just didn't hop around so much right like Marvel chronological for the moment maybe have a flashback. It's like every now and then they'll give you the Captain Marvel or something but it's like that's the outlier yeah and it's

like I feel like they just need to get on do you think you've even had that meeting okay at some point are we just gonna get like the timeline together or because I do understand there's a lot of time I imagine it being Filoni I imagine Filoni constantly going up to people at Lucasfilm being like you know we should really have that timeline meeting and they're like yeah yeah we'll get to that well yeah for sure and like the next weekfilm being like, you know, we should really have that timeline meeting. And they're like, yeah, yeah, we'll get to that. Well, for sure. And like the next week, he's like, do you think we could do that timeline meeting anytime? And they're like, yeah, yeah, definitely. Tuesday, schedule for Tuesday and Tuesday comes around. He's like timeline meeting day. They're

like, we actually got election day, dude, we're closed. We got to cancel the other project we just announced. Let's push it to next week. So I imagine I just have so much faith in Filoni. That's like, even like they announced Simon Kinberg. I know he doesn't have a lot of good like credits to his name. I just think like we co-created Rebels with Filoni. So Filoni must like him. That means I like him. Like I just have so much faith in that guy. That's the best. The little golden retriever puppy dog. I love Mavo. So do you think they'd go to Filoni like, hey man, November 31st. He's like, all right, sold.

And then he's like, wait a minute, there's November, there's no November 31st. Like they do that kind of stuff. They schedule on holidays knowing that no one's in. They're doing some dirty shit to Filoni here and just pushing that timeline meeting off. It's fucking not right. They're not treating our guy Filoni right.

Filoni should be honestly, I know people give Captain Kennedy shit for all her creative things, which I don't think she has anything to do with. She deserves the shit for the projects that get canceled. He should be in her role, which like I guess I don't know what she does business-wise. I don't even know if Filoni would wanna do that.

It's kind of like a, he might be able to stick to just creative stuff and wanna do that, but like I feel like a Filoni and Fabra, we need like, we need a Kevin Feige here. We don't need, maybe we don't need Kevin Feige himself but we need someone that isn't announcing projects for the sake of shareholder meetings and Just announcing projects when they're ready when they're about to go into development when you have a camera and a fucking slate thing

Ready to be like action. That's when you should be like hey a new trilogy is on the way Here's a fucking picture of the directors chair and you're like, oh it's happening Instead it's just like here's this this this and this maybe you'll get one in the next five years Like it doesn't like Kevin Kennedy do whatever she wants She also by the way, she made the the hate rant that tank went on that ended up getting all that Yeah, it was amazing. Like wow, he I even know Frank knew Catholic Kennedy was but it's like Feige's the Marvel guy, Gunn's the DC guy, Lucas was the Star Wars guy, right? Put Filoni in that role. You can let Catholic Kennedy rule the whole she wants behind the scenes. I want Filoni to be the guy who also that's the answer. If Catholic Kennedy fucks up or anyone, it's Filoni coming

forth just like it's Feige and now going to be Gunn in the future. So that's I and I think that would be a goal that could be the Golden Age You have Filoni they have gun you have Fiege and then kind of like I think Reynolds could be the I always think Reynolds could be the X-Men guy And I think I like having that well Favreau's weird though cuz Favreau like I kind of like him in Marvel But he does the Star Wars stuff too, right? Yeah He's I feel like creatively more involved in Star Wars than Marvel at this point. So he's just Disney's like fixer He could just go around bounce around. Yeah, that's all he wants. God knows they fucking needed they got a lot of shit to figure out still and We've got a lot to figure out in the next few weeks because it's gonna be until I believe December 3rd till skeleton crew premiere

So we're gonna have some free swim weeks I'm sure we'll get a lot of news coming out because it feels like an era right now where we are getting a lot of comic book news right now. We're getting a lot of castings, we're getting a lot of announcements so should be fun. Eventually we'll set a date on that long Halloween comic book club with Jose. I'll hit up Jose and we'll get his take on it. I know he's, this morning I texted about the penguin, he's gonna binge it all. He's been waiting for it all to come out. He just wants to do an eight episode binge I'm excited to get Jose's take on it as well because I told him I was like bro

I'm telling you I'm not trying to hype it too much This is one of the greatest live-action comic book adaptations ever when you take a comic book character and put him into live action Give me shows movies, whatever it is. It's one of the best they've ever done So he hasn't even touched it, huh? Give me shows, movies, whatever it is. It's one of the best they've ever done. So he hasn't even touched it, huh? Hasn't even touched it. He's gonna get to watch this thing fresh, like it's an eight hour movie.

Do you think he get the, we're gonna get the deep breaths at some point when we're talking about what it's inspired from and we're gonna get some good shit from him. When Magpie shows up and he realizes they're doing obscure references like that, oh yeah. And I just, I looked it up now because you said December 3rd I looked it up and I was gonna see a little my Disney Plus

Membership is up and I had I get the splash page is a resubscribe So my my kids do not know they're upstairs if they go to watch blue right now They're gonna find out that is it is up. So I'll see if I could give you my password for it No, don't tell me nobody tell Disney up so I'll see if I could give you my password for it. No, nobody tell Disney. All right, we will see you next week in my mom's basement. I should say same bat time, same bat channel, but it is over for now. The Penguin, amazing stuff. Thank you, Matt Reeves. Thank you, James Gunn. Thank you, everyone involved in the Penguin.