My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 40 - ’STAR WARS: THE RISE OF SKYWALKER’ RECAP/REVIEW

Episode Date: December 23, 2019

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Hey, My Mom's Basement listeners. You can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. I tweeted out my quick reaction of Rise of Skywalker was, I didn't love it, I didn't hate it, and I think I'm okay with that. So in the end, it's over. It is what it is. That's the other thing. With life, it just happens. We can't just keep going around this thing, chasing our tail, talking about a movie

that was two years ago, talking about another movie. It's done with. It's like The Sopranos. It's over. You have to move on. Oh, man. We're going to get into it. We're going to go through the movie beat for beat like we usually do with these recap podcasts.

But big surprise. I loved it. I was over the moon about it. I've seen it three times now. We're recording this on Sunday night. By the time you're listening to this on Monday, that number might be four. It's a movie that I'm gonna go back to many, many times.

It's a movie that really, like for me, I've loved this trilogy all the way through. Clem, you know that. I mean, these characters for me, I like love so much. So it was the perfect ending to the trilogy for me. It was a really, really satisfying ending to the saga for me. We'll love so much. So it was the perfect ending to the trilogy for me. It was a really, really satisfying ending to the saga for me. We'll get into the whole thing because it's also not, I'm not calling this a perfect movie by any stretch of the imagination. There's plenty of

stuff in this movie that I was like, Ooh, I wish they didn't do that or wish they didn't go there. We'll get into all of that right off the bat. I'm going to, I'm going to remind you, please subscribe to this podcast. Please download. Please rate, review, do all that fancy stuff. Thank you to everyone that did it last week. And we're going to talk a little Mandalorian, but then we're going to get right into the Rise of Skywalker. So Mandalorian Chapter 7 happened last week, last Wednesday now, because the whole weird Rise of Skywalker release schedule. And it's the second to last episode of the season. If you're not interested in hearing spoilers for The Mandalorian, we put the little timestamp in

the description, as always. And you can skip right to our Rise of Skywalker discussion. So Clem, let's get into Chapter 7. We're going to do this briefly, because obviously there's a lot to discuss this week. There's bigger fish to fry in the Star Wars galaxy. But what did you think of Chapter 7? This was the second Deborah Chow episode she did uh chapter three as well which was the one where it was very john wick style he goes breaks baby yoda out and gets saved by his clan of mandalorians at the end i thought this was fantastic yes thumbs up i like deborah chow and she's the one that's doing the Obi-Wan series. Okay. She's doing all of that.

We're in. So not only does she have, like, she has not only, like, pelts on the wall from, you know, just in general, but Star Wars pelts on the wall, which obviously means something different. I really like this episode a lot. I think this is kind of what we said. We were like, all right, all this stuff is going to tie together. It's this big theme. It's the non-serial Western. I've've heard that phrase is it serial western or non-serial western serial yeah serial western whatever the fuck that means i've heard it so many times it's like etched in my brain that but in the end it kind of tied together as we said and what i learned is mandalorian being

released on wednesday is cool as shit on wed. However, I know. Yeah. Once the weekend hits, I'm like, yo, I need to like, it's the old fucking Chappelle's just like, yo, you got any more of that baby Yoda? Like I was like, oh, I need it. I went into like the last couple weeks and we were getting a double dip this week. I didn't realize they were basically like, listen, get your Star Wars in. Now you're Mandalorian on Wednesday. And then we're just doing Rise of Skywalker all weekend. I know, they're making us wait so long.

I will say this, there's always a weird, like, break in no new content of any sort in between Christmas and New Year's. So it'll be nice two days after Christmas to get, like, a little Mandalorian drop on a Friday, especially it being the season finale, the Taika Waititi episode. And I agree with everything you just said. The fact that they brought everything together in this episode. And it felt like every step along the way that maybe some people are calling filler, this filler that they kind of all threaded together in the end here, we can go through it in the end. So,

so grief Karga, it, the episode opens with a message from grief Karga, where he says, uh, Navarro, the planet that he's on, the planet where the guild was operating out of that we saw in the beginning, was being basically overrun by Imperial control because Mando took the child away. He says, if you come back, we will set up a plan to kill the client and, you know, we'll let bygones be bygones. Well, we just don't want the Imperial control here. So Mando kind of smells that this could be a betrayal waiting to happen. He gets his crew together. We've wanted the crew for so frigging long.

We finally got it. We got Cara Dune, which how fucking cool was her intro scene in this episode where she's like MMA fighting with that energy belt on? Yeah, laser bolt, lightning bolt fighting. I don't know. We need that, Bob. You are our human cockfighting expert. Talk to Dana White. You have his ear.

That is the future of UFC is what we witnessed. That was fucking awesome. And the way that like he tapped out by like basically disengaging his side of the rope. That was awesome. It reminded me of like the WWF bull rope matches where they're like tied together and they got to beat each other. Isn't that basically what that is like star wars rope match i feel like that was like i feel like that was like a big john stud thing i feel like big john stud he that's like undertaker two casket matches is big john stud to whatever

the big rope match was definitely so that was dope he he goes he gets uh kuil who is the nick nolte character and who we find out later has revived IG-11 and basically retrained him. They're kind of humanizing the droids in this moment for the Mandalorian. We know that he hates droids, but Kuiil is like, I think that's how you say his name, Quill? Kuiil? Whatever it is. Kuiil? I think it's Kuiil. He shows him that, like, you can't just program a droid to do something. Droids have to learn, like some droids do at least. The IG-11 type does. That was all really cool. And we get to see Baby Yoda basically, I don't know,

throw a child tantrum, his version of a tantrum, when he chokes Cara Dune, thinking that his dad, the Mandalorian, is in trouble after their arm wrestling. He chokes Cara Dune, so we see like, oh shit, that's what he was worried about in the beginning where he was like, I don't know, this thing is a liability to me. That was really cool as well. I marked out when the choke, oh, baby Yoda's choking out. By the way, we also had him doing raspberries, which was horrible. And it said, um, our, our close captioning baby Yoda drop of the week was when it said, the child is snoring softly.

Snore softly or something like that. And I'm like, oh, he's snoring softly. I'm such a sucker. He was really fucking adorable in this episode. Even when he looks like down, he pokes his head down and he's just looking around. Just every second of him was adorable. So they meet up and how about our guy our guy nolte was called him ugly he called the baby oh yeah he's ugly

talking about his wrinkles on his head bro come on you're ugly bro you're ugly ugly um they they meet up with grief karga on navarro they they go through this journey like both sides had backup they obviously nobody was trusting anybody. And then they get attacked by this, like, pterodactyl dragon, I don't even know what to call it, bug-type thing. It really badly injures Greef Karga. It kind of poisons him. They say the poison's spreading.

Karadun's trying to fix him. But it looks like he's about to die. And Baby Yo walks over and force heals him. This was huge. This was a little tease. We see a little bit of this in, spoiler alert, The Rise of Skywalker. And it was very cool to see, especially because we thought it was going to happen earlier in the season when he walks up to the Mandalorian and the Mandalorian kind of just like brushes him off. It happens here and Greef Karga reveals, hey, we were going to betray you, but now we can't because your baby just saved my life. Shout out Carl Weathers. You started

calling me like it. I know. I, I definitely, I'm just saying the actor's names. I cannot get these guys down. It's Nolte. It's Carl Weathers. It's, it's, uh, Gina Carano. Um, when he was just like, yeah, I was going to backstab you, but the way like your little creepy baby, which not his words, not mine. Actually, I don't know if he even called the baby creepy i actually appreciated that he kind of laid it out as it is um when he goes he's trying to eat me laugh out loud and then i just had such a great carl weathers line too like i imagine him saying that in predator yes exactly predator even fucking apollo creed if he saw like a little baby yoda he'd be like he's gonna eat me eat me. And I just had in my notes, baby Yoda is a human band-aid now, which we kind of said. Spoiler alert, we do learn a little bit more of.

I'm also at the point now where every time the Mandalorian uses fire, I just laugh. Oh, yeah. When that happened. Now, we got a few tweets about that. I got some DMs about it too. People were like, as soon as he pulled it out, I thought of you guys. It's fucking Joe Bluth where he just pulls the fire out. He's like, get that thing out of here, man.

I got some Empire vibes too, right? From the things in Empire that kind of swooped down. Definitely. The Minox, I think they're called. Minox, yes, yes. Also, do we have a name for this crew? Mando's Mob, Mando's Marauders, Mando's Mob Squad. I'm trying to think.

I mean, I'm sure the listeners will come up with better stuff. Yeah, we need a name because although we did we'll get to this we lost a member of the crew it's still a hell of a crew this is i i like this mando crew this we've seen a lot of different crews in star wars right we've seen like the original we've seen the sequel crew we've seen smuggler crews we've seen republic commando crews we've seen cartoon you know whatever this is a is a bona fide hit the one in solo like you could kind of take or leave some of the people this guy you could leave him take him this one a plus a fucking plus every member fits their role well it reminds me of a video game how every member has certain advantages that other members have maybe as disadvantages.

Really solid crew. And it was organic, the way it all came together. It was not rushed. It was very organic, the way it came together. Definitely. They meet up with the client in his personal bar, I guess. And there's way more stormtroopers than Carl Weathers promised. He said that there would be four. There's a fuckton of stormtroopers. This place is over way more stormtroopers than Carl Weathers promised he said that there would be four there's a fuck ton of stormtroopers this place is overrun by stormtroopers the baby is not

in the carriage the plan is for for Nick Nolte to take the baby to the back to the Razorcrest ship and they're gonna do a fake out here because they want to kill the client still so there's a very funny scene where Werner Herzog is like I would like to see the baby and so there's a very funny scene where werner herzog is like i would like to see the baby and they're like uh it's uh it's sleeping and he's like we will be very quiet and then he gets a he gets a transmission from finally gustavo fring his his name in the mandalorian is moff gideon and which is such an evil name something about so evil Moff Gideon is just sends chills down my spine and he basically says hey you idiot the baby's not in that carriage and they light that place up death troopers from Rogue One are on the outside they kill everyone

in the joint except for our heroes in in a very Breaking Bad-esque way. The way that gun just moves through the entire place. I don't know. A bunch of other stormtroopers roll in on Troop Transports, which was a classic Kenner toy that was never featured in any Star Wars content. But they actually made them for this show which just shout out to dave filoni and john favaro again for hitting fan service like a fucking nail on the head every single time and all of those stormtroopers were also members of the 501st legion they didn't have enough costumes so they called up the 501st and were like we need extras you know send us pictures

of your screen accurate stormtrooper costumes if they're good enough, you could show up. So another cool thing, just a way for them to give back to the Star Wars fandom. And we leave pretty much on this note. Moth Gideon says, you have no idea how much that baby means to me. We see Queel running to the ship. He's on one of the Blurgs with Baby Yoda. We see Baby Yoda on the ground, which makes us think he dropped him. I was screaming in my tv like go back for him you dropped baby yoda and then we cut to unfortunately our guy

quill on the floor dead rest in peace to my dog quill i have spoken that oh god man though that was a good eulogy right there ending with the i have spoken that that Oh God, man. Though that was a good eulogy right there. And with the, I have spoken that, that one hurt, man. I have everyone in the crew, the marauders,

uh, the, the mobs. I kind of feel like I think the mob squad more. Um, I think he was my favorite, even though we call baby Yoda ugly, which made it easier to see him die.

I have to admit, um, like, I don't know. He was like, he was the first guy we knew he was, he was, he didn't even want money.

He didn't want anything from the Mando when they first met. He was just a good dude. He just wanted peace for his Valley. Right? Like what could you ask for? Yeah, exactly. The other thing is like looking back, I like, I took like a breath once it was all over. I was like, he gave us his origin story.

Like he, he was really much like, I got out of servitude, this and that. I worked three lifetimes i work my like that's like it's my last day in the forest kind of shit like i should have seen it coming i'm kind of mad at myself for not seeing it coming but at the end of the day he had like the i mean other than baby yoda who like took over obviously the first episode and took over the internet i have spoken was like the silver medalist for mandalorian for a while there in terms of it he got his time on the internet, Nick Nolte.

He got his time out there. So I'm happy for him. But our PR dog, man, that that's a rough blow. And Gustavo Fring is the perfect guy to be like the mysterious. You don't know how much I want this. Cause I'm maybe like,

Oh shit. Gus Fring wants something. Cause that's in my head. It's like Gus Fring's coming from them. And Gus Fring with blasters and potentially Imperial weapons is a terrifying thought. His whole look was awesome, too. Very badass. He had that, like, black Stormtrooper chest plate on.

He had the red cape. He had the sick boots. Which also, people noted, the boots that he was wearing were not the boots that were seen at the end of the last episode. They were distinctly different. So he was not the person the boots that were seen at the end of the last episode they were distinctly different so he was not the person walking up on on mulan i forget her her mandalorian name a shout out to you bob because i was like oh that was definitely gus fring even after seeing his get up these are the reasons no i thought so too people corrected me i can't take credit for that one um i i wasn't watching that closely so maybe it's fucking Boba Fett. I

don't know. People are saying it's Boba Fett. I swear that that could happen. I predicted season two, we get Mandalorian versus Boba Fett. And that would explain why they went to Tatooine, you know, instead of just doing the fan service. I don't know. I'm like, yeah, no, I don't. I'm still not. Fuck, it's Boba Fett. And at the same time, like, I know that some Star Wars has scarred you, some Star Wars has burned you recently. But this is Filoni and Favreau we're talking about. They haven't really let you down very much. So they stumbled with Episode 5, but if it was all leading to bringing Boba Fett in. Chapter 5, Bob.

Chapter 5, yes, Chapter 5, I'm sorry. Put one in the swear jar, Put one in the episode jar. I saw some interesting details about why the Mandalorian didn't know Moff Gideon was coming and didn't know all those stormtroopers were there, though. Did you see this?

No, I did not. So the Mandalorian actually doesn't have SimpliSafe installed into his helmet. One of the craziest things, because you would imagine a guy like that would want the video verification technology that SimpliSafe comes with. But I don't know. I guess it was just an oversight when they were building that. Fucking Mando.

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check it out, just to feel like I'm one of these guys that's like, let me check my domicile. You know what I mean? There's no extremely rare babies in your apartment, Bob, that I should know about, right? I mean, if there were, would I say it on the podcast or would I not? If I had a little baby of my own, would I tell the listeners?

I don't know. You know, it doesn't matter because if they get in your apartment, we're going to know immediately because it's simply safe. It's a shadow, simply safe. Absolutely. So are you ready to talk about the conclusion to the Skywalker saga, episode nine, the rise of Skywalker. Are you ready to talk about it? Cause this is the moment where I feel like it's the only time our friendship gets a little bit strained over the years.

I think, okay, let me start with this. I think it'll be a very good civil discussion. I think you were definitely coming in on the lighter side. I'm coming in the darker side. I told you before the podcast started, I came in when I, after the movie's over i think i said it's almost like a grade it's almost like a

c to a c minus in my book but i felt good about it you know when you get the c minus to the c and you're like hey like i'm happy with it though yeah that's kind of how i felt with this movie if you were like you were failing the class and you really just needed to get above a failing grade on your final to pass. Yes. And I think, I think that obviously what happened with the last Jedi and how it kind of like bummed me out and two years worth of just it sitting in my stomach. And then you got, you know, you, all the reviews I had seen on Twitter and stuff like that, that kind of just left it vague. And we're like, it's a lot, it's some, it's a lot of fan service as well.

There's some things people are going to love. There's some things people are going to hate. There's some people, things people are going to love that. Like, it doesn't really make sense. So they're going to hate it too. And I kind of went in the movie thinking that and thinking I was going to be

overwhelmed for the first like 20 minutes, which I was, but in the end, like it is what it is. I 2019, which I didn't realize this 2019, we a fucking the end of thrones the end of the marvel infinity saga and the end of star wars skywalker saga three monstrous series i don't know like i i think end game was so good it lets you know what this could have been but like thrones i don't know if this was better or worse than

thrones that's a whole other discussion we could have at the end if you want. But I'm going into this kind of like. Oh, this has got to be way better than Thrones. Thrones, I feel like disappointed everybody. I will say about the Rise of Skywalker, and I agree with you, this is going to be a nice civil discussion. I've seen way more people enjoy Rise of Skywalker than I ever could have imagined. I thought this was going to be pretty much split down the middle again. I thought everyone that didn't like The Last Jedi

was kind of, not everyone, but most of the people that didn't like The Last Jedi, I felt were maybe going to go into this with their minds made up already. And they definitely proved me wrong because of the DMs I've gotten, of the tweets I've gotten, of the people I've talked to, even some family members of mine, my uncle who despises, despises The Last Jedi even more than you do, I think, came out of this one loving it and was like, JJ did it, you know, he brought me back, he overcorrected some things because as we'll discuss once we get into the plot here, there definitely are some things about The Last Jedi that JJ was like, all right, let's go back on this because because obviously people didn't love that. And I thought he did a pretty good job balancing both. If I were to give this a grade, if The Last Jedi for me was an A, which I know that's going to

make you probably throw up, but I would say Last Jedi is an A minus A for me, because it's that frigging, you know, I love it. It's my third favorite star wars movie this i would give probably a b minus to a b i think this is just below return of the jedi definitely above revenge of the sith i would put this above all the prequels but just below return of the jedi so my rankings would go empire a new hope last jed Last Jedi, The Force Awakens, Return of the Jedi, Rise of Skywalker, and then the prequels, Revenge of the Sith, Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones. Okay, that's fair. So my thing was, I agree with you. I think a lot more people are angry Game of Thrones, but I think it was so fast how it was just six weeks or whatever. And then it was like, that's what they did. I honestly, I think both these series, Thrones and Star Wars, suffered

from the same fate where this this movie I should say. This movie I think had a jam so much because I think they kind of do – try to do two movies in one. I think they try to like undo The Last Jedi, which I don't know if that was JJ's call, the studio's, Disney's call, the accountant's call. It's like we need to make money and people aren't going to go see it if you just ignore the other movies like they kind they kind of did in last jedi or i think it was just kind of rushed where it's two movies in one it was just a lot to take in like you said so um i would also so my rankings are empire uh a new hope which a new hope is like it kind of suffers the fate of it's the first movie and it's like it's basic but it creates a whole universe like it doesn't get the respect i think sometimes it gets from people when i'm looking at a new hope

return of the jedi which i respect a whole lot more now just seeing how how well they finished the trilogy after seeing again all these other series come to an end with an un like i left i finished a return of the jedi and i was like i'm very happy with the way star wars ended uh then i go a force the force awakens which again it's it's a reboot of a new hope but i understand why they did it that way i actually go revenge of the sith higher than this one which is next it goes revenge of the sith rise of skywalker which i completely understand revenge of the sith is a classic yeah and this is the thing about revenge of the s is like it does get great on like the other two fucking prequels were so bad but it had some real highlights i mean it had uh obviously you have the scott the the the lightsaber fight with anakin and and obi-wan you have order 66 which is like it guts you it guts me just thinking about i got like fucking goosebumps just thinking about

how like calculating that was and just the whole rise of papal team papal team and everything um i don't know man like i do think and like obviously you have the the no by vader is kind of lame it's horrible some of the padme stuff is like cringy the anakin you're breaking my heart but like it does have some moments that really do really do pop so just because of that and there's not a lot of, I didn't leave the theater and then start nitpicking a lot of the little things. I think they planned out the idea of the prequels better. I think the sequels were kind of very just like frantic. And obviously if like just JJ had just signed up

for all fucking three, this would have never been a problem for him. It just sucks. It is, but this is the thing. It is what it is. Let's all just agree to just enjoy what we have out there. And I'll tell you, the biggest winner in all this in my mind is George Lucas because George Lucas pulled off the original trilogy and he fucking nailed it. And you can say, oh, I like Return of the Jedi, the Fuzzy Wux.

You fucking love the original trilogy because George Lucas made the original trilogy. He fucking nailed it. And he is the big winner in all this in addition to being a billionaire. They kind of like killed his baby. But he also killed the baby in the prequel so it's a double baby killing we're talking killing babies let's move on bob i'm sorry um for me the i agree with you on you know all credit to george lucas for creating all of this the fan response to the george lucas stuff has been so weird over the past few years because I feel like there's this weird thing on the internet where so many kids my age grew up with the prequels and think that they're classic movies.

And they're like, I cannot believe they took this out of George Lucas's hands. And I'm always like, people were literally at George Lucas's throat to the point where he was like, please take this out of my hands because I fucking hate Star Wars fans. People don't realize that the Star Wars fandom has been split forever. Literally, like the last Jedi wasn't the first time that people got divisive about Star Wars. Can I say something? I feel like I almost want to do a thing like if Reddit existed back in 1980, just all the shit that people would have wrote about Empire in 83. Oh, my God.

I thought about that because we'll get to it but but people were nitpicking this and i got a few dms and people were so upset that there were new force abilities shown in this movie and i want to respond to every one of them and be like do you guys realize that like luke pulling the lightsaber out of the snow and empire was the first time anything was shown being able to be moved by the force. Like the force before that was just like, I don't know, a little extra luck shooting the, the torpedoes into the death star. And Obi-Wan disappears in the worst lightsaber fight in the history.

That's all it is. Like watch the, it's like with Barstool, everyone's like, Oh, Barstool. It's so, it's like you wax poetic about the old days.

And there was like, Dan and Dave did a great video. You got one video like every six months. Cause everyone had to do the blog. You know what I mean? It's like everyone wax poetic about the old days and it was like dan and dave did a great video you got one video like every six months because everyone had to do the blog you know what i mean it's like everyone kind of like forgets that things change over time i think we you know what let's make that a goal for 2020 we're gonna make what if reddit was around for the original trilogy and we'll just go through and nitpick the fuck out of those movies for you know out of love out of nothing but love i'll nitpick empire strikes out of those movies for you know out of love out of nothing but love i'll nitpick empire strikes back which is one of my top five favorite movies and i'll just

nitpick the shit out of it just because it's like just to show how crazy it is as a nitpicker and i have a list of nitpicks that kind of like bugged me as i was driving home from the movie just in my brain all right let's waste no more time let's get right into it i've created these notes i spent like an hour basically writing down the movie from memory and trying to get every little thing that I wanted to touch on. So the opening crawl hits. The first thing it says, the dead speak pretty right in your face with that. And they reintroduce the emperor in the crawl. Bold choice to not give us much backstory behind him. I didn't hate it, but of

course I would have liked to see it. They referred to him as the Phantom Emperor at one point during the crawl, which I thought was kind of cool, kind of a nod to the Phantom Menace, obviously, him being the Phantom Menace. And because, as we'll get into, this Emperor is sort of maybe not the true Emperor. It's hinted at that he could be a clone of the emperor. He's somehow brought back. And the crawl also notes that Kylo Ren is seeking him down because he deems him a threat to his power. Were you upset that the emperor was brought back in the crawl? No, I wasn't.

That was something people were very upset about that I saw once I went online. We talked about it last week and we both said we we pretty much were like yeah if they just say he he's returned we don't really care but again i went into this movie to be like there's gonna be a lot of shit that i'm gonna just have to be ready for so the crawl has always been it's just you just get excited when you see the crawl the whole movie pops every single time the first note hits and the crawl comes up so at that point the endorphins are rushing through my system. I don't really get too mad.

It didn't mention trade embargoes. So that was a win. I will say apparently the, the recording of Palpatine, you never hear in the movie. Apparently you're saying Palpatine. So weird. You're saying Palpatine.

I have to say, cause I always say rigs and rigs wrong. Palpatine, Palpatine, Palpatine. That's what I was saying, right. Palpatine. Palpatine. Palpatine. Palpatine. That's what I was saying, right? Palpatine.

You were saying like Palpatine. Palpatine. Okay. Palps. Palpsy. I mean, people were going to give you so much shit for that if I didn't stop it right there. I am going to get a lot. I still don't know.

Is it Hopper or Hooper in Stranger Things? I've said his name wrong. Hopper. Okay. I've said that wrong a million times too. When you get old like me, you just start fucking up. Palpatine. palpatine palpatine um you can just call him the emperor you could call him city you could call him chief fucking name chief just call me god damn it i'm so fucking is the recording you only hear it in fortnight and i know it's so weird i listened to that and

i was like why didn't this make the cut because it's cool yeah and and that's the thing is like everyone's like I can't believe they put in a fortnight but not in a comic book or anything that's canon I'm like well you fucking morons like I probably didn't hear it in anything because I don't play fortnight I don't have the comic books I know the hardcore fans get upset about that but like as a casual fan I don't give a fuck there's been things like there's a gap in these movies that just like exist and you just they have to kind of just get you up to speed um it does feel kind of weird that such a big character was back but um my biggest problem was i almost wish that we didn't know the emperor was going to be in the movie we talked about this a couple weeks i almost wish

that was completely out of left field um but again it's not one of those things i'm going to get upset about i just can't do it i'm with with you about the Fortnite thing. And people were so upset about that. Like, how could you not put that in the movie? I listened to it. I was like, damn, that was so cool that it should have made the cut because it sounded fucking scary and daunting. And oh, fuck, like the Phantom Emperor's back. I also think that when they don't explain things like that, and they leave it to the mystique a little bit, that's like the beauty of what made the extended universe the extended universe in the first place. That's like the next 10 years, you know, we're going to get so much

content in comic books and video games and television shows that explains the gap between The Force Awakens and The Rise of Skywalker, and maybe even the stuff that happens after, you know, the sequel trilogy. So I'm not concerned about that at all. I wish it was almost like they showed people on their Star Wars computers, and it was like a scare pop-up. It'd be like, ah! And then the Emperor would give his message.

Or it was like the Y2J thing, where you'd see the countdown clock, and you'd hear the Emperor's voice. Like have you seen Man of Steel? Yes. I love when Zod sends a message down to Earth and he's looking for Superman. That's such an awesome supervillain scene to me. Something like that would have been awesome, which actually the Emperor's message kind of reminded me of that. That's what it related to in my mind.

And let me just say the whole Kylo Ren thing where you're like, oh shit, Kylo's against the Emperor. I like how they just set that up and then we just dive right into it, which I love. I love the beginning of this movie. So that was very cool. We cut right to Kylo Ren. It was the clip we've seen in the trailers where he's on this red-tinted foresty planet. Have you heard what planet this is, Clem? I don't know.

I still don't know the planet the Emperor was on. i don't know any of these planets i lost them all this was mustafar weirdly enough this was mustafar it's shown in the darth vader vr game that uh mustafar was healed at some point between revenge of the sith and the force Awakens or the Rise of Skywalker, whatever. And some Force user came, healed it, and that is why the first Wayfinder was here. We get into this later in the movie, but there's two Sith Wayfinders, and obviously the Emperor had one, which was in his throne room, and Vader had one, which was on Mustafar. So we see Kylo Ren slaughtering a bunch of villagers, which the visual dictionary said were like these old school Vader worshippers. I kind of took them as the fish people for The Last Jedi,

but for Vader instead of for Luke. I dig that. Okay. Kylo slaughters the fuck out of a bunch of these people, does like a backwards moonwalk stab at one point, chops an arm off one guy, like force floats people. I mean, he went on a rampage. It was really cool. He gets Vader's Wayfinder, arm off one guy like force floats people i mean he went on a rampage it was really cool he gets vader's uh he gets vader's wayfinder and he immediately gets on his ship he flies through

this like red i don't even know what to call it nebula type thing in space and goes to exegol which we will learn later is the sith planet that we saw in the trailer that you didn't watch so the teaser the last teaser to come out was just this. It was the entire scene where Kylo goes down and the Emperor reveals himself as the creator of Snoke. He says like, finally, my boy. Kylo's like, I'm gonna fucking murder you just like I murdered Snoke.

Let me tell you that. The Emperor says, I made Snoke and delivers the line. I am every voice you have ever heard inside your head. We hear Snoke during it. We hear Vader during it. And Kylo turns around, sees two Snokes in a bacta tank looking thing. What did you think of this intro? I was just, I was a little confused.

Were you happy that Snoke was explained as someone that was, you know, kind of looking for a further backstory into him in The Last Jedi? Yeah, I am happy that, like, we acknowledged him. I still, like, am a little just weirded out by it all. Like, because, again, when you go down these rabbit holes, like, I feel like there are ways you could pick it apart. So I was just like, all right, I'm in. Whatever. The Emperor, he was behind all this shit. It is what it is.

I wasn't, like, fired up and be like, yes, we finally have Snoke's orchestra. I still feel like when I watched the first two Snoke, movies with Snoke in them now, I'm like, that's all Snoke. It's just, whatever. I'm fine with it. I'm fine with it.

That's going to be a lot of my, I think, takes. I'm fine with it. Let's just, we're good. So I read about Snoke that the entire time he was a test for Kylo Ren, like in either the comics or the visual dictionary, there's some sort of outside material that connects to this movie that said the Emperor created him basically as a test to make sure that Kylo Ren would be able to take over the Final Order, aka the new Empire.

So he runs into the Emperor, doesn't run into him. The Emperor's like, we find out later that he's attached to this massive claw arm thing and we get to see him for the first time and he looks a bit strange he doesn't look like the last time we saw him he doesn't have all the wrinkles in his face he doesn't have the yellow eyes he has just white eyes he looks like he has fucking cataracts or something. Bill Cosby. He looks like Bill fucking Cosby. Yes. Imagine he had those big cataract glasses.

And he was just like, I'm just getting off a LASIK, my boy. I'm sorry. At least you don't think the Emperor is Bill Cosby. That would have fucking worked. But I want that guy dead. Kill that fucking guy. So Kylo says he'll kill the Emperor. The Emperor delivers one

of the most awesome lines in the movie in my mind where he says i've died before and then he says the dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural directly quoting himself from episode three and also for the first time and i didn't even think about this when we found out the emperor was coming back made me realize oh fuck this is a payoff the emperor told anakin in episode three that he could cheat death and finally we're seeing him cheat death so i was like all right you know what as a guy that was okay with the emperor coming back in the first place that makes me more okay with the emperor coming back. I was like, that's cool. He promises Kylo a new empire,

which is what Kylo's always wanted, to take on the legacy of his grandfather, run the empire. And he says, kill the girl, but I warn you, she is not who you think she is. Immediately a tease to, there's much more to Rey's story.

Yeah, at that point, the radar is up with Ray. We have to dig more into this. Okay so this Emperor thing, the reveal and all that stuff. I think last episode we said he has to look fucked up because he's been dead. Which he did. His fingers? Disgusting. I actually wanted him to look a little grosser like

he does at the end of the movie when he starts melting away. He looked almost bloated. He looked like a dead body. Iated he looked like yes he looked like a dead body i will give him that he looked like a dead body i would say yeah and now this is this is one of those things that kind of got ruined for me after the movie when i was talking about it with the group i went with like all right i'm a little upset and i guess this goes kind of goes back to the emperor being in the movie like the fact vader throws him and he like you see all those spirits go up the emperor still survives then someone's like yeah and the motherfucking death star exploded in the middle of space i was like oh yeah now we're

getting to the really ridiculous point and again you're dealing with dead emperors and the sith and all the undead magic now if if you tell me that the emperor is a spirit and whatever had to be done to get rid of him and it's how this movie ends and now he's gone for good all right but let's just remember like it does seem a little like i almost wish they had a different body for him and be like i am not just the you know the body form it's a more of like the spirit see your evil form we'll get to it but i i think that is what they're pushing because they they hint to that a few separate times in a few different like they hint to it in the movie, and I've watched for it a few times now. And I think the body that we're seeing the Emperor in in the beginning is not the body that was on the Death Star.

It's his hangover body right here where it's like it's just a placeholder, and he's just waiting for what he needs to happen with kylo and ren kylo and rey we could even we could even get to it right now so when they get the intel that like and and po gives that speech where he's like we've we've confirmed the worst uh the emperor is back palpatine is back somebody says how how is that possible and they cut to i think his name is dominic uh like mohag and whatever his name is the guy from lost they cut to, I think his name is Dominic, like Mohagin, whatever his name is, the guy from Lost. They cut to him and he says, he's got this look on his face that he realizes

and he goes, cloning. He goes, the dark arts that only the Sith had access to, which makes me think there was a clone of the Emperor put in place because we've seen so much now from Battlefront to this, to that, of the Emperor's contingency plan. It makes me think they had a clone of him on Exegol ready to go, and that's why he was controlled.

He was hooked up to that weird system until he pulled the life out of Ben and Rey at the end of the film. And then he literally delivers the line and he says, now the true Emperor is restored and he can get off of the the life thing so it's not confirmed obviously but it makes me think that the emperor that got thrown down the well is also dead gotcha okay yeah and then again it goes back to the darth plage of stuff like you said and just it's this whole sith and energy in the evil spirit like this is what we're talking about fucking spirits that's why i don't get too upset about all this nonsense also going back to our empire's what i told you was true from a certain point of view we learned that luke's dad goes

from being murdered by darth vader to being darth vader from a certain point of view which would have drove people crazy so let's just all agree to not get too bent out of shape by this and just try to enjoy the movie i will say though like unless you tell me everyone in those ships is manned by clones and then they're just living like i it's almost like the Kevin Smith thing or the clerks thing where it's like all these people are just living in this underground on these ships. And then it's like we've – and again, this is coming back. It's cool though. All the Sith worshippers that had the bandages over their face and they were all wearing emperor cloaks. Very cool looking.

Oh, no. I'm talking about the people on like like the star destroyers oh okay the fact that there's eight billion star destroyers with eight billion employers on every ship which is 64 billion people give or take and it's like you have all those people that just have to live i was like all right this is kind of ridiculous and then they again it kind of goes back to the star wars keeping the same thing every one of them now has the death star beam it's guys, just think of something different. Like the universe beam that will destroy the whole universe. Just like, oh, my God, planet destroying weapons.

And Poe, I think, says, like, of course they do. But it was like, man, like, yeah, of course they do. I guess. How do you one up a planet destroying weapon? Like every movie you're like, yep, the stakes are the same, I guess, because they could destroy planets still. We cut to Poe and Finn playing hollow chess chest with chewbacca on the falcon very funny scene getting to see the gang back together again just like warmed my heart immediately they accused chewy of cheating he hates it they're like no dude you're fucking 250 years old of course you're better than us and they meet up with this resistance ally named Bulio, very cool-looking alien,

who gives them intel from a First Order spy. He says, there's a mole in the First Order. They've given us this intel. They give it to him. Some TIE fighters come in at the last second, you know, as they're delivering the message into R2-D2. They get out of there. Awesome chase with the Falcon.

Finn gets in the gunner position that we haven't seen him in since The Force Awakensens and he's clearly a lot more comfortable in it he's shooting uh basically a support beam that fried a bunch of tie fighters in half it was really really cool and they get away we cut to ray then on a planet called agen kloss that was the jungle planet very much looks like endor or you know any planet like that we cut to right here meditating floating in midair with a bunch of rocks floating around her one of the coolest encapsulations of like what it means to meditate as a jedi we've ever seen i thought just from a visual standpoint it was so cool and she kept repeating the phrase, be with me, be with me. She couldn't sense anybody.

And she gets down. She runs through a training course. And she's interrupted by Ben Solo. She's interrupted by Kylo Ren, I should say. And he touches the Darth Vader helmet and makes her trip up. And she gets really frustrated. She drops a fucking tree on BB-8 on our guy. Cool sequence, but tough to see yeah tough to see uh

that whole sequence i mean that's the one thing i think no one will argue about with the sequels is how just awesome they look and just the imagery and the acting's great too i i will say i liked i liked finn and i even liked poe a lot more this movie than i did in previous movies probably because i like was having a little more fun i I thought you would like Poe a lot more in this movie. This is a great Poe movie. It is a great Poe movie. And like I said, all that stuff was pretty cool. Again, the Falcon kind of just chilling

in those asteroids or whatever, and then going back out and being followed again was kind of like, all right, kind of seen that before, but not going to complain. And then Rey, Rey the whole, like she's not quite there yet but she's getting stronger, which again, like as another nitpick people write about Return of the Jedi. Luke goes from kind of figuring it out in Empire and getting his hand chopped off to being the baddest motherfucker on the planet that bails Han out from Jabba. Like you could just – we'll take the jumps over time.

So this is what I noticed too that I was like, Oh, the last gen, I just basically never happened, which I, I'll tell you, Rob, I didn't really, I, I, there's people who love it.

There's people who hate it. I will say I was more, I went back to my blog and I reread my blog after I, um, after I reviewed it and I was more sad. I didn't really hate it. I was just bummed out by it all. You know what I mean?

Yeah. But I am also a human and humans are petty. And as a petty human, I fucking loved it. They just fucking destroyed, just erased that movie off the map i was very happy i didn't feel like they erased i felt like there were multiple references to it and it was also luke taught her a few lessons she was she it felt like at the beginning of this movie she was just on the cusp it felt like i mean the be, the be with me, I immediately thought, oh, she's trying to speak with Luke here, and she can't get him to come down. She

can't, you know, summon the Force Ghost, if you will, which Force Ghosts we've known are pretty much never summoned. You know, you can very rarely do that. It's usually them coming to you in a moment where you really need it the most. Kylo gets his mask rebuilt. This weird, like, monkey-looking

thing rebuilds his mask. He's with the Knights of Ren. There's a funny scene where they walk past two stormtroopers and one just goes, Knights of Ren. You know, it goes, cool. It's like kind of very like meta. They were reminding the audience like, hey, that's who they are. And they were exactly what I thought they would be, if we're being honest. I thought they would be the Praetorian guards of these movies. And that's exactly what they were. They were cool looking, but they get their asses handed to them right away. They were kind of like

I can't say they were as good. They were the Walmart version of Thanos, the Black Order basically. Yeah, the children of Thanos. Just following our heroes around the whole time. Exactly. The children of thanos i love

and i they each had their little thing but it's like in the end they just end up they're there just to be the the it's almost like the the end of each mario level like there's bowser who's kylo in this scenario then it's like they're all the other guys to get to bowser um kylo's mask i kind of liked and then is that where they they're like i like it is that was that the mask he was talking about at the table like that was a a cool such, such a funny scene. So he drops Bulio's head on the table. Pretty violent scene. Yeah.

And you know, Kylo don't fucking Kylo means business. So he drops Bulio's head on the table. He says, we have a spy in the resistance. They show us Richard E. Grant playing General Pride for the first time. We find out later worked for the emperor in the in the galactic civil war is now working for the first order and kind of you know helping the emperor it's further showing that the emperor was pulling the strings all along that he had somebody in there all along uh but he drops bulio's head on the table and he says i sense some unease about

my appearance general hucks and he says about the mask no sir well done my brother did a verbal meme too he's like it was almost like you could say the monkey was the monkeys doing it were jj and then the mask was the star wars franchise and like they're trying to put it back together it's not gonna look as good as it did or how it could but we're gonna try and jj loves doing that shit too the first line of The Force Awakens where Lor San Tekka says, this will begin to make things right again. Handsome intel to Poe Dameron. We cut right back to Rey.

She gives the lightsaber to Leia. She was obviously frustrated with her training session, the way it went. And she says, I'll own your brother's lightsaber one day, but not today. It's our first look at Leia. It's our first look at Leia. It's our first Leia scene. I thought, given the circumstances, they handled Leia very well. It still felt like she really made a mark on this movie to me. It still felt like all of her dialogue was very passable. There were certain aspects where I saw someone describe it as like soundboardy,

and I do agree with that. But I can't like disparage them too much for using every piece of footage they could possibly use to make this work so that's what i wanted to ask you as someone who's again more casual like was this was how much of this stuff was for episode nine or was this old zero zero percent okay this is all outtakes and deleted scenes from the force awakens they didn't even have any footage from the last jedi because they were pretty much like let's use all of the footage we can get here this was pretty much just they they wrote the script around the deleted scenes and outtakes they had from the force awakens okay so yeah they did a good job and again when you see the back of her head at a different angle you're like oh that's another actor but that's just our fan brains knowing it

i wouldn't have even thought twice if it had if i didn't know obviously so i again you're making the best out of what you can it sucks the way everything went down but i mean again it's like everything else is what it is so the falcon gets back to the base it's on fire there's a very funny scene it's the first scene we really get between ray and poe and they have a interesting relationship because they are not the friendliest with each other she calls him difficult he's like what'd you do to my droid she's like what'd you do to the falcon and her and finn get to embrace we get to see them together again poe dameron then brings the resistance together. He says, Bulio has confirmed the worst. Palpatine is back. Rey says, oh my god, Exegol, I've read about that before. She goes back

to her books. She finds the Wayfinder in one of Luke's drawings. And next to this table, by the way, you can see the lightsaber she constructs at the end of the film. She's building it as the movie's going along. Someone DM'd me that over the course of the week, and I've looked back. Both viewings, I've, you know, went on the rewatch, and I've been like, oh shit, that is her lightsaber on the table. And we get to see Maz Kanata and Rose for the first time. Your girl, Rose, here's the perfect spot to address her. They gave her the Jar Jar Binks treatment. They completely gave her the episode one to episode two Jar Jar Binks treatment, and she went to the background.

I did the old Tiger Woods fist pump, the slow motion fist pump when I did that. And I tell you, I don't think I was the only one in the movie theater. I will just – and I will say this. The acting in this movie was great. It was great. It couldn't even be – Really, really good. Just like the writing or the plot or the ending or all this shit. But it was – the actors were good.

And the Rose actress who was taking some shit obviously. It's like separate the two between the actress and the actual character. The character stunk just like Jar Jar's character stunk. It doesn't mean the actor who you met, the dad, right? It doesn't mean he stinks as a person or an actor. So I was thrilled. I was like, oh, we're just going to give her the, I was thinking more like the poochie treatment. It's like she went back to her own planet and she died on the

way there. It just, it brought such a smile to my face. I don't know if this is going to cause any awkwardness. Maz did nothing for me in any of these movies. I wanted so much more from her. No, I'm not a Maz stan by any means. I liked her, but I wasn't like over the moon about her. I would love to learn more about her. I think she's very interesting how, you know, she's not really force sensitive, but she sort of is. Like she knows the force, but can't use it or whatever. And she's been around for so many generations. And she had Luke's lightsaber, obviously.

We don't know how she got it. I think her backstory is intriguing, but also perfect for extended universe stuff. Yeah, that's fine. And you introduced her this way. But like, I remember in The Force Awakens when we talked about her, like, oh, she's that crazy 65-year-old woman who's always having pina coladas at 3 a.m. You're like, I don't know what the fuck Maz is going to do. And then the last movie, I just hated how she was just put on the screen.

I thought it was like a worthless scene. And then this one, it's like, but again, like it's a nip. Who cares? Like Maz is there. So more importantly, Rose is not. So you achieve with a Jar Jar Binks. It was incredible. And I wasn't Rose's biggest fan. I do like Kelly Marie Tran. I think it's horrible. The stuff that, you know, the abuse that she got or whatever online and amazing the way that Star Wars fans at Celebration, all these panels, have embraced her now, but I did feel a little bit bad for her in this movie. I was just like, ooh, she's just, she's not really that much of a character anymore. It is what it is. She got her due screen timing in The Last Jedi way more than some people would have liked, so I guess you did, you did,

they did have to do some things to make both sides of the fan base happy here. And I'm okay with this one. I'm okay with her taking a backseat for some other new characters. So the gang goes off to Pasaana, the desert planet we've seen in all of the trailers, because that is where Luke's trail went cold on the Wayfinder, the Sith Wayfinder that he was searching for. The entire gang goes, it's Rey, Poe, Finn, Chewbacca, and C-3PO who fucking steals the show in this movie. This is, I said about The Force Awakens, I think The Force Awakens is Chewie's best movie. Chewie has so many moments to shine in that movie, has so many great moments. I think The of skywalker is 3po's best movie how do you feel

about that am i a joke to you rob is are you are we gonna are we having some sort of uh are you upset about something i said the whole gang went the motherfucking mvp of this entire saga did not go and again that's probably why bb8 is the new R2. This new sequel trilogy, things are moving too fast, and we need a droid that could fucking go, go, go. R2 with wheels. Oh, we're going to be ageist now? We're going to be ageist about my guy R2, the guy who saves the fucking day every time and isn't ridiculous like BB-8 fucking going all over the place? All right, all right. C-3PO did shine this movie.

I will say that, and we'll get into the thing. I just felt like there were some cheap things like C-3PO. All right. The memory wiped and then it unwiped. And then Chewie died and then he doesn't die. There were some cheap things that were tricks on us. But 3PO, he kills it. He kills it.

I'll agree with you there. Just put some respect on R2-D2's name. I'm sorry. I should have. So they show up to pisana and the festival of the ancestors is going on pretty sure they show up and poe says oh the festival of the ancestors how lucky or whatever and three people was like it is lucky this only happens once every 42 years and they all just turn around and it's a very awkward like

three p.o shut the fuck up moment And a little girl gives Rey a necklace. She says, what's your name? Rey says, my name is Rey. What is she? The girl says, I would be honored to know your family name. And Rey says, I don't have one. Another hint that, like, Rey is going to have a family name by the end of this movie, whether you like it or not.

And I loved seeing this. And maybe people are going to call me a softie, a pussy for this. It was ray being the jedi that we always heard about luke being you know like just being like the friendly helping out children helping out those in need talking to whoever wants to talk to them she was just being a friendly person to this little alien girl and i was like damn that's fucking cool ray is like the jedi that we wanted her to be well yeah she better be a fucking that kid was fucking like just daggering her to death what's your family's name uh have you talked to your mother today what about

your father do you have any boyfriends like are you fertile like right she doesn't have any of this shit she if she had a hint of sith in her blood you would have thought she would have cut that fucking kid's head off or like just like basically picking apart her entire life i felt like it's like one of those things when someone says something awkward in front of like a group of friends that they don't know yeah someone makes a yo mama joke in front of your friend whose mother's passed away and you're like oh jesus christ man oh man and then that person feels bad and then everyone feels bad this i mean she made her a macaroni necklace so i guess in the end it's all good but i just felt awkward for ray when that happened. But like you said, one of the best things they did in this entire saga was her and Kylo going back and forth.

And I absolutely love that the entire time. I also think both those actors, we talked about the acting. I think both those actors crushed in all three movies. And I think the like that is hopefully I think someone said it on online. It was like Adam Driver is almost the Ewan McGregor of these sequels where a lot of people, you know, there was differing opinions, but like the guy just shined. And I think undeniable is basically one B or one A to that too. She's awesome.

I'm with you. And that is a big moment here. She's given the necklace and Kylo instigates a force bond. The first of the movie, he's wearing his helmet again, and he snatches the necklace off of Rey. We got a hint of this in The Last Jedi, that they were starting to have physical elements come through through the force. Kylo got a little bit of rain on his glove after, you know, it was raining on Ahch-To, and he looked at it confused. They touched in the hut, and Luke walked in on him. It was like that weird, like walking in on your daughter moment. So we, we get the hint of this and then he snatches the necklace off of her after

basically telling her there's more to your story and I'm going to come let you know Palpatine wants you dead and there's a reason for it. Snatches that off. She runs to the group and is like, we got to go now because he's on, on our trail was he got the necklace examined they said she's on pisana and a first order stormtrooper guns him down immediately says put your hands up i found the fugitives gets an arrow right through the eye socket pretty violent once again this this is us there were some gross things in this star wars movie like some graphic things in this star wars movie this is one of them they're saved this guy them into, he kind of looked like Enfi's nest from Solo. Takes them into this big moving tank type thing

that's being driven by Beaker from the Muppets. And he takes his helmet off and it's none other than our old pal Lando Calrissian. General Lando Calrissian. Great moment and really unexpected for me. I really didn't think this guy was going to be Lando. I thought it was just going to be another bulleo type resistance ally. Really? As soon as I was going to be Lando. I thought it was just going to be another bullio type resistance ally.

Really? I, as soon as I go, that's Lando. As soon as I saw him, I got vibes of his, um, return of the Jedi mask. So obviously I feel like that's Lando. So that's the only reason why I click with me. Um, I also was with you too. Whenever someone in Star Wars dies from an injury that isn't caused by either like a laser, like a blaster beam or like, um, like a lightsaber, like a blaster beam or like um like a lightsaber like it's something physical i'm like you can die like that like if someone stabs him with a knife i'm like it's like it's such a rudimentary way to kill someone in that universe but it also makes sense that's how you can die that way too it definitely feels like disney

between this and obviously endgame you know motherfuckers heads getting chopped off they've definitely like loosened the strings a little which let's be honest the way the world is today i think we can kind of like let pg-13 is that without this was pg-13 yes yes i think pg-13 like 13 year olds are doing some shit that i wasn't doing at the age of like 23 so i think we can kind of loosen it up a bit so i was happy to see lando um my opinion of lando the rest of the movie was man yeah lando obviously wasn't a main player here he was very much just playing almost the fan service like every time he popped up you were like oh lando what like it's the perfect moment for you right

now yeah so he tells the crew about this guy ochi that luke and him were tracking he was the last person to have the wayfinder they get out of his thing and a huge chase ensues after the First Order spots him. An awesome chase, if you're asking me. It was a combination of pod racing and speeder bikes from Endor. And they were on like bat pod type motorcycles. There's an awesome moment where Finn throws a rope, gets it all jammed in the gears of the motorcycle. They throw it off and it culminates in them being thrown into some sinking fields and sinking below ground. What do you think of the chase?

Yeah. So again, I've only seen it once. You've seen it three times. So some of the stuff I was like, oh yeah, like I remember this scene. I remember we talked about it in The Force Awakens when there was certain just moments where they did some cool stuff with the way they do the ships or the high speed chases where it's like you're kind of doing like you're Han Soloing it as I say. We're kind of just making best out of what you have available to you. And I liked that side of this.

I didn't love the silver quicksand. I got a Stranger Things season two vibe from it where I feel like they go into the upside down by sinking into it. I got such like an Indiana Jones vibe of it, like a quicksand. There were a few things in this movie that I was like, oh shit, that's like an Indiana Jones thing. And I was like, all right, at least they were tapped into that Lawrence Kasdan way of writing or whatever. So they, they sink down, they find this dagger, BB-8 finds a dagger in the sand and they're,

they're in these weird tunnels. Another great 3PO line, by the way, when Poe drops and he's like ray finn chewy 3po is like you didn't say my name but i'm all right sir that was great um they find this dagger and it belongs to ochi they see his speeder they see that he had a sith loyalist emblem on his speeder and behind 3PO we see this big sand worm snake bull worm I don't even know what to call it but it was really gross Rey spots that it's injured and she walks up to it and just out of compassion puts her hand on it and heals it completely it it kind of clears a pathway for them in escaping it doesn't attack them goes away another great moment where ray is using the force like a true jedi like yoda you know told us that a true jedi would use the force that was

this is another thing like oh we're bringing up force healing and stuff i saw it in the mandalorian granted it's baby yoda doing it who seems like he should be like you know a straight up 10 out of 10 in terms of force abilities but it's like like, yeah, but people pick shit up. Luke picked up, like you said, the getting the lightsaber to fly. That's just her thing. And it kind of would,

you'd think someone that trains with Leia, the Bray always had that kind of vibe to her that she would be like a super light version. Like you play a fucking Star Wars game. They have all these crazy force powers. It didn't bother me in the least. It did seem kind of weird. The snake was like this evil snake. It's like, Oh me okay we're cool now i'm just gonna slither away

if you're hungry if you're a hungry snake living in a cavern then you're gonna try to eat someone but i think it's showing just you know don't discriminate against any creature species whatever in the star wars universe i saw some people saying that this breaks the force like oh why didn't luke just do that when you he almost died? Why didn't this guy just almost do that one? And it's like, guys, Rey is explained in this movie to be a part of something called the Force Dyad, which they explain to be something unforeseen for generations. When two people become one with the Force, they basically make each other drastically stronger than anybody else, just by nature of you know one rises the other rises to meet it this guy rises the other meet it we also get told that ray is a palpatine

in this movie so she has a fuck ton of metachlorians in her blood flow without a doubt and i also took it as like different force users can do different things i don't think every force user in the world can do force healing powers i don't think every force user in the world can do you know jedi mind tricks i think every force user in the world can do, you know, Jedi mind tricks. I think different people have different abilities. I don't think this breaks the force by any means. And also like I came into this wanting to see new force abilities. In my head canon, it was, there's like, you know, back in the day there was a billion Jedi and everyone could do their own little thing. Now there's like so few probably like super force sensitive or even like Jedi people that have been trained in the force. It's like everyone's powers just go up that much.

It's all condensed in these like few people that we know of. And it's like you could go to like different points from the time Jedi ends to now and maybe follow another person's story. These are the people we're following. These are their force powers. Just let it go. That's what I always say. Just try to have fun with these movies. That's too much of a nitpick.

That's like a crazy nitpick to me in my mind and also when they're sinking into these tunnels i should mention finn for the first time in the movie says ray i have something to tell you and he never gets to that in the movie but he brings it up a few more times so that was the first time he brings it up that pissed me off now that because i was waiting for that the entire fucking movie and we never got it i was upset by that um he never gets to tell ray but after a few viewings i think it's it's pretty obvious what he was going to tell her do you want to say now do you want to wait we get to i think he was going to tell her that he was force sensitive because there were so many moments in the movie where it they really hit it on the nose by the end like when he senses her death basically at the end

spoilers um but i i think he was definitely going to tell her that it's weird that they left in so many moments where he's like i have to tell ray this and he doesn't get to tell ray that but maybe they're doing a finn movie in the future i don't know that okay like if it comes out it's i feel like finn would get now he'd probably get movie. I was saying like I feel like the TV show for Finn. I'm trying to think of the Disney Plus angle. Even that I wouldn't hate. I'd be in for a Finn Disney Plus show. It could work.

Whatever. But I didn't – see, I didn't get into the whole Finn could be Force sensitive until like today is when I started seeing stuff on it. I was like, oh, okay. So that's probably what he wanted to tell her. It just feels weird. It's like it feels weird that we have to now wait a couple of years or whatever it's going to be to find it out when it like it wasn't like he did confirm that as well oh he did okay because it wasn't he just kind of said in the background it was like you know they almost are about to die he's like i gotta tell her something they survive

and it's like all right and then it just never happened so yeah again i'm not going to complain too much so after they escape the tunnels the whole gang boards ochi's ship they're like we can't go back to the falcon the knights of ren are going to be there the first order is going to be there ray goes off on her own she has a feeling she has to abandon the group for this moment to to make sure that they could leave and she senses kylo so chewy goes off to get ray we see the knights of ren follow him We see that he gets taken in. They take the dagger. They're looking at it. He had the dagger on him. That's important for later. And they put him on a transport. We now see the scene from the very first teaser we got from this movie, where Kylo's tie whisper comes around the corner. That's what the ship was called. Really badass name for that.

Comes around the corner, flies towards her. She does an awesome flip in the air, chops the wing off that thing. Incredible scene. And she turns around. Finn says, Chewie's on that transport. It's getting away. And she fucking grabs that transport with the force. Something that I haven't really seen since the force unleashed video games where a star killer took down an entire destroyer with one of those force poles or whatever that was. And Kylo then gets out of his ship and they get into a tug of war over this transport. And Rey's using more of the force and Kylo's pushing her.

And eventually, Rey lets out force lightning from her fingertips, destroying the transport, seemingly killing Chewbacca. One of the most shocking moments of the movie by far. One of the moments where all three times movie by far. One of the moments where all three times in the theater, the crowd has let out gasps, cries, audible screams. I mean, people were terrified that everyone's favorite Wookiee was dead in this moment for good reason. I looked over at my brother's face on opening night. It was the most terrified face I've ever seen on my older brothers. And in 21 years on this planet, I've never seen him so afraid.

Did you really believe Chewbacca was dead? I completely did. Upon first watch, I was like, oh my fucking god, they just did Chewie very dirty. So I was like, there were two transports, and then, but they kept saying, Chewie died, Chewie died, so I'm like, oh fuck, they actually did it. They actually killed him, like, two moves

after they killed fucking Han, and I'm like... And I want to say, the Force lightning is something I predicted about the last Jedi going back years. I was like, when we, when that was the whole debate, you know, who were raised parents,

what's raised lineage, whatever. And people were dissecting, you know, Oh, from the force awakens. She had that stabbing motion that Palpatine was doing. And then I said,

what if in the last Jedi, we see at some point just force lightning come out of her hands and she didn't she didn't do it on purpose she didn't try but she just had that power inside her all along I kind of predicted it kind of predicted it years ago I can't even say like oh you read a spoiler like this shit but like the script hadn't even been like printed at that point or even dreamed of so at that point ray was legit and nobody yeah exactly so um amazing scene i thought i thought it was a hell of a way to do that and at this point i was dead set on okay so raise a palpatine yeah i said oh yeah raise definitely had some palpatine blood in her i'm gonna say emperor blood because i'll probably fuck that

up again um chewy the chewy death all right when when it sunk in i had that like that same han feeling in my stomach but again han was a scoundrel and like you like he kind of had it coming the chewy is so pure it just it kind of cut me but i said oh this movie's like that now like it kind of reinvested me though it was like oh we're gonna get serious and like you know people we love are gonna die and it's fucked up but it seems that's one thing i always loved about thrones is like your favorite character it doesn't matter if it's like a five-year-old girl that's cute as a button like they could die in the most painful way possible like literally in thrones yes they'll burn her at a stake yeah exactly so that's why

like when it turns out he's not dead i'm just like and they did this don't fucking don't fucking do this to me don't fucking tell me i wish chewy was dead no i don't i i wish other people all right i'm happy chewy's alive i wish other things that happened stayed happened instead of wish 3po never remembered the events of the skywalker saga potentially i you just can't you're a monster this is the happy ending movie. You're a monster. Strigio had his fucking... Thanos has fucked up your brain.

Thanos broke your brain, and now you just want chaos and dread for everybody. So, Clay, Ray, Poe, and Finn... You are the guy that would have let Titan die. You'd be like, oh, everyone should have three meals, chicken in the pot, car in the driveway. Sometimes you need to be real rob you're you're

hoping that chewy and three peel or that you probably wanted ray ray to stay dead at the end of the movie too it would have been a better ending get out of here so so ray poe and finn are grieving the loss of chewy on ochi ship they're like what the fuck do we do now chewy had the dagger on him now we don't't have the dagger. And 3PO says, it's so true. The memory now only lives on in my, or the inscription only lives on in my memory. They say, oh fuck. All right. Well, Poe remembers this planet Kijimi, where he knows a black market droidsmith who can crack open C-3PO's brain and get this inscription out of it because 3PO basically he's like, I know where it is. I know what the inscription says. But my processing forbids me from reading like the Sith language basically, which makes sense.

It makes sense for droids in the Star Wars universe to have that block on them. And computers in general. Computers like there's some things that just don't – like if I'm on a Mac and it can't view like a Microsoft Excel file, you have to get like the translator to Mac version. It's the same shit in my mind. So it got checked out for me. BB-8 means Dio. Pretty important droid for this movie. A little fun fact for all the people at home. Dio is voiced by J.J. Abrams. They pitched his voice up a bit, but he's the one giving all of the emoting to anything that's going on. He's saying, happy, sad, no thank you. Funny stuff like that. He's kind of like a little dog. He reminds me of the dog from Up, where he's like, squirrel, squirrel, squirrel.

We find out pretty much immediately afterwards. It's probably two to three minutes, but it feels like fucking forever. And Hux says, I know, you just had a shocked face. It's that quick? I'm telling you, it feels like fucking forever and huck says i know you just had a shocked face i'm telling you it's like two minutes yeah we get there's literally only one scene in between chewy blowing up and us finding out he's still alive it's incredibly quick he says we brought back a very valuable prisoner he used to fly with han solo and we see chewbacca it's the biggest sigh of relief in movie history in all three three theaters, you've heard people go, Ah, Chewie's alive, thank God.

I was more than over the moon. I mean, if Chewie really died, especially in that moment, just like that, like Chewie just got captured and then didn't even know what was going on, I would have hated that. They go to Kijimi, and it's completely overrun by the First Order. Poe Dameron is, this is our classic Star Wars scene where all of our heroes have to don cool coats. That always happens in every Star Wars movie where it's like, all right, put on the cool jackets, guys. We got jackets to sell. They put on cool jackets. Poe walks past Kevin Smith at one moment during this

scene. You can't tell it's him. It's too dark and he's wearing, you know, something over his face. But Kevin Smith was on set and he said that poe walks right past him and they're interrupted by zory bliss as they're trying to get to babu frick's shop so zory bliss was a former love interest of pose who reveals that he was a spice runner you want him to have a little edge you want him to have a little backstory and here we got it he's a spice runner i literally wanted some spice on the guy's ass and i i kind of appreciate i like how he was it's like when when your buddies are busting your balls and then you just break out all the things that no one's been talking about like when you were this

we could do this all day you stormtrooper you scavenger i like that and that that was like that was some human elements that was some kind of shit that i almost felt like would have been on the uh in the original trilogy where it's like you know han sees luke get kissed by leia and he's like have a nice life kid get the fuck like he's like yeah that's fucking that's how you would react if the pretty princess kissed your buddy that you were fucking that was your road dog and i kind of like how that came through and also shout out to me i didn't know carrie russell was in this movie i was like that's carrie russell eyes. I knew it was her eyes immediately. Very impressive.

And I couldn't tell you one movie Keri Russell's in. It's just from senior on TV. That is really impressive. I liked her character. I liked, as you said, the dialogue in between the three main characters. I said in my review, I thought that was like the heartbeat of the movie. Their dialogue among the three of them, especially, or I guess I'll say the four of them, I'll say even 3PO thrown into the mix there, was so Lawrence Kasdan original trilogy. Really, really loved that.

That was my favorite stuff in the movie was the banter between the whole crew. And Finn's hair was legit. I liked how Finn changed his hair up. It kind of gave him like, oh, this is a different movie. His whole outfit was pretty cool. He had some Han Solo type blue pants. He had the vest that was inspired by the jacket that he wore in the previous two Finn had a very cool look in this movie so they a nice fit as the

kids say yeah they still say that oh yeah definitely definitely good I guess Rey and Zori kind of get into it a bit Rey pulls her lightsaber on her and Zori's like all right I have a little respect for you motherfucker she brings him to Babu Frick's shop we see John Williams as the bartender in Babu Frick's shop. We see John Williams as the bartender in Babu Frick's shop. They hold on him for a moment. Nice to give him a little cameo after all these years. Babu Frick, this guy, I love him. I'll tell you what, if Baby Yoda wasn't so hot in the streets right now, I feel like Babu Frick would be running the meme game because he was a 10 out of 10, could not have worked anymore for, you know For him being the cute thing in this movie,

every Star Wars movie has that thing. Like the Porgs in the last movie, in the first movie, I guess it was mostly just BB-8. And in this movie, we got Babu Frick. Phenomenal. JJ, you did it again.

Babu Frick landed for me. Love Babu Frick from the jump. I couldn't get his name, so I was like, oh, little Bubba Fett guy. I was just calling him Bubba Fett guy because I couldn't understand what they were saying.

Loved – I mean I absolutely adored him and he really did get fucked by Big Bill. Everything he said made me laugh. Everything he said. That's such a bad break. Just like – what's his name? Nolte kind of getting overshadowed by Baby Yo. Baby Yo just takes over everything because this guy, like you said, memes. Maybe he can get some toys from the guy.

And he's like – he's doing some pretty heavy shit obviously with 3po and like i was able to take it just because like this guy's fucking funny i feel like we all know a guy like baba frick i think that was definitely definitely so we're understood now we understand now that to get this inscription out of 3po's memory to get the location of this wayfinder it will clear his entire memory. It will restore his memory, put him back to the protocol droid that he was when a little Annie built him way back in the day. Babu Frick, he's like, wait, I thought of one more thing. Babu Frick fucking fries him. He brings it back. 3PO comes up with the red eyes.

He, you know, he has that moment at first where he says, I'm taking one last look at my friends, as you mentioned, emotional moment. Fucking, ooh, man, Threepio and his friends. They clear his memory. They get the inscription out of it. And as they're getting this inscription, Poe and Zori Bliss are having a moment on the roof. They're kind of reconnecting. And Zori says, you want to get out of here one day?

Poe says, we have to finish this war. Talks about the Battle of Crait. Talks about nobody coming to their aid. And says, I think the war might be lost already. Zori Bliss says, then one of my favorite lines from the whole movie. She says, they win when they make you think you're alone. And Poe repeats that later on in his pump-up speech. Amazing Star Wars, like hopeful line for the rebellion, the resistance, whatever.

And she shows him this coin that's basically i think jeff d lowe referred to it as a star wars pba card get out of jail free card she can get out of whatever system she needs to get out of as long as she inserts this coin to a ship it bypasses whatever protocol that the first order is put in place 3po gives them the location of the Wayfinder. Babu Frick is like, hey! I think my brother was like, it's Bruce Banner's, I see this as an absolute win moment.

He's like, we did it! Babu Frick, also the only person to introduce himself to 3PO when 3PO is like, what are your names? 3PO later calls him one of my oldest friends. That was awesome. I cracked up at that line. That was hilarious. waiter calls him one of my oldest friends that was awesome i cracked up at that line that was that was hilarious the guy was basically like a god in it to the ewoks in episode six and this was somehow the movie he's dying the most it's actually pretty impressive um 3po having the red

eyes and like i don't know if you had said it or just people were saying in general like is this sith 3po and i'm like how could that even be possible it's like no that was literally yeah he had a different voice even. His voice was a little deeper. It was like in the Attitude Era, whenever someone turned heel, they would just modulate their theme down a little bit. Oh, yeah, that's true. And Kylo Ren has tracked him here. Of course, he's basically tracking him the whole movie.

So his Star Destroyer arrives on Kijimi. Rey senses immediately that Chewie's alive. It's bittersweet for her because she's like, oh, fuck, Kylo Ren's here. But oh, ray senses immediately that chewy's alive it's a bittersweet for her because she's like oh fuck kylo ren's here but oh my god chewy's alive zory gives them the the coin to get on kylo ren's ship she's like you take it go save your friend really nice of her crazy nice especially for poe who you know she has a checkered history with poe's like can we kiss she's like no get the fuck out of here dude poe was going for it man he was shooting his shot three he's like we're about to lose the war of course I'm shooting my shot Poe, Rey, Finn they all board the ship to break Chewie out they get

onto one of the hangar bays they split up Rey goes for the dagger the other two go for Chewie Rey uses a Jedi mind trick on two of the stormtroopers really great seeing Jedi mind trick at all times I think it's like only the, third or fourth we've ever seen in the saga. I think there's only that, I guess there's probably more than, I only remember one from the prequels. There's just the one in the original trilogy, or there's two, because Luke and Jabba's palace, right? Yeah. Does he get anyone? He doesn't work on Jabba, he works on Bib Fortuna. And then obviously the original, which works, is in Mos Eisley.

So yeah. And then the first, is it Phantom Menace is the other one in the prequels? Phantom Menace. Well, I was thinking Obi-Wan even pulls one in Attack of the Clones, I believe. It could be that one. Again, I don't know. I don't know. There's very few Jedi mind tricks in the Star Wars saga in relation to how many moves there are.

And yeah, I enjoy a Jedi mind trick at all costs pretty much. So Rey and Kylo get into a force fight now. She's in his quarters and he's on Kijimi and they're hitting lightsabers through the force. I also love the first time they do connect lightsabers, Rey gives a look like, oh, fuck, this is possible now? We're in deep shit now. Poe and Finn all get captured at the same time. So, Pryde says, go terminate them or whatever. And as this force fight's going on, Kylo reiterates that there's more to Ray's story. He says, I'll come show you because he sees where she is. The Darth Vader helmet basically falls through this Force Bond onto Kijimi. Such a cool way to get him onto that ship, I thought. Like, oh, fuck.

And the way they even shot this lightsaber fight, where it was panning in and out of locations, and there were, like, interesting cuts where you were seeing both locations, everything about the way the Force Bond progressed throughout this movie, I loved. Just like with the last even in the last jedi there was parts that i liked and you know didn't like as much obviously but all these movies even in the prequels other than attack of the clones which i for the life of me cannot remember anything that happened in that movie other than the big battle scene with the monsters i i just honestly like this scene was just awesome and the whole thing that it's his like she's happened to be in Kylo's room.

He's probably like, oh shit, like don't look in the top drawer of that thing. It's getting kind of embarrassing. It's like pictures of Rey. Yeah, exactly. Oh man, there's probably some weird shit Kylo has if he's that – what is the First Order and shit like that. But yeah, I loved everything about it. Darth Vader's mask playing a role in the lightsabers and all. And then as the audience, we're just like, what the fuck is gonna happen next between these two what else

can they like the crawl like i didn't know if kylo could just like appear on the ship just all of a sudden i know yeah i don't know if he could step through the forest bond i don't know if he was stepping through the forest bond a very important moment in the film happens here where right as we think poe chewbacca, and Finn are about to be terminated, General Hux takes one of the stormtroopers' blasters. He says, I would like to do this myself. And he kills all three stormtroopers. They cuss to him.

He says, I am the spy. One of the biggest laughs in all three of my showings. People fucking love Hux's reveal as the spy. I think it's a great moment. It's telegraphed, especially seeing it like two or three times. As soon as he takes that thing, you're like, okay, he was the spy all along. But a good moment, a good payoff to his entire rivalry with Kylo Ren when he says, I don't care about you guys winning. I just want Kylo Ren to lose. It's like once Kylo Ren killed Snoke and took that supreme leader position, there's really nothing he could do to beat Kylo Ren. So now he's just going on all-time pettiness levels

and being like, all right, I fucking just need to figure out a way to get this guy to lose just like I'm losing. Immediately killed afterwards, too. General Pryde was like, okay, makes sense. He was the fucking spy. Good. I liked how he just got blasted right in the chest. There was no doubt, like, oh, no, he's dead as a motherfucker. And Hux didn't need some kind of epic death, you know that was the he was that wormy little fuck that he you know

that he was in the entire sequel trilogy that's the way he went out as well i almost want to hit i almost wish the hulk came in and did the loki where they just smashed him like up hug's dead now but yeah the blast to the chest was perfect he's always been such a weasley the guy the actor is awesome because you just hate the guy from the first time you meet him shout out dom howell gleason great performance over all three movies yeah and that is like a very petty thing like i appreciate it's like if i can't win i'm just gonna i just want to ruin it for kylo ren and then like let the chips fall where they may i pre again as a human i appreciate the pettiness of it so here's where we get a ton of info kylo comes into the hangar,

he meets Rey, and he reveals to her that she is a Palpatine. She has Palpatine blood. She is the granddaughter of Palpatine. Palpatine's son is Rey's father. And he sent this, I think it was a Sith loyalist or an assassin of some sort, Ochi, to kill Rey's parents with the dagger that she was holding. This is the Empire Strikes Back, you know, I am your father moment of this movie, of this trilogy. It's even presented where she is like, damn, do I have to jump off this thing? Like, how do I get away from Kylo Ren right here? She's surrounded by stormtroopers, and she has to accept that she is now a Palpatine. They redid, they basically retconned the You Are a Nobody in a non-retconny way. They did it in the same way that, you know,

they retconned like Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader being two different people. Same exact thing there. Going in, I was like, I love the story that Rey's a nobody and I still love the story that Rey's a nobody, but I didn't have an issue with them making her a Palpatine here. They didn't make her a Skywalker because that would have been easy for her.

She would have been like, oh, fuck, that explains everything. Like, making her a Palpatine and having her, that's why she pulled to the dark all along. That's why she pulled to the dark in the cave with Luke and all of that kind of stuff.

I think it worked. Yeah, no, as someone that I didn't like that Rey was a nobody because i was like you can do that in like the mandalorian or any other star wars trilogy of the a million that were announced in the last couple years but this is the skywalker saga and the saga is like again you don't need to have everyone be related but when it's the main character i thought it should have some sort of lineage to all the prequels and the original trilogy, kind of just have a consistent basis. So I liked it.

Again, I wish it was smoother. I wish everything from the way the Emperor was involved the whole time. It does tie everything together nicely in terms of the three trilogies, I thought. I heard Chris Terrio, who's the co-screenwriter on this with JJ, I heard him and JJ discussing it after the fact and referring to like House Vader and House Palpatine and being like, yeah, now if you watch them, JJ was like, if you watch these movies 40 years down the line, he's like, I hope it felt inevitable

that Palpatine and Vader, their next generation was going to cross over as well. That, yeah, that's fair. To kind of just jump ahead too, it's kind of fucked up but i think this is i don't think it's the sky i don't think it's the sky you cannot call this the skywalker saga anymore no it's the skywalker saga no it's the palpatine saga because he's in every fucking movie he because it's he's he's one through six he's the guy he's the one pulling

and as it turns out seven eight seven eight, nine, he's the puppet master pulling the strings. Rey is the lead character of seven, eight, nine. She's a Palpatine. I have to learn how to say this name right. If she's the name of the saga, it's the Palpatine saga. It's the Palpatine saga. It is not. And that's who is Palpatine fucking?

Who is he fucking? Who in the fuck fuck sheathed? That's what I'm going to question. Maybe it was an Adrian Veidt deal where he just put a bunch of his cum away and he was like, maybe one day, you know, if we need another emperor, another empress, he had all of these contingency plans in place. But who the fuck was fucking that guy? Because he was one of the ugliest people in the galaxy. Was it pre-fucking-lightning-face and shit like that? Like, he was passable.

Couldn't have been. Was he fucking hitting skins on Naboo, maybe? Because like maybe padme is like clapping cheeks old fucking palpatine unbelievable unbelievable and kylo also reveals to ray in this moment that they are a force dyad that they are this this thing that hasn't been seen in the force forever where they make each other incredibly strong and stronger than generations past. This is, in my opinion, the coolest piece of lore that they introduced in this movie, because immediately I was like, oh, fuck, that's cool. I want to see the last Force dyad. I want to see the Force dyad before that. Was there a Force dyad that was going on during the Old Republic? Was there a Force dyad going on ever between brothers between you know

bitter rivals between lovers like we got in this one you know we can get to later apparently these two were lovers all all along whatever i think the concept of a force dyad is super fascinating in the star wars universe and i think it does a perfect job of explaining away some of the i guess things that people said quote unquoteunquote broke the force in the sequel trilogy it's like no things haven't just progressed where now the force is automatically tenfold stronger than it was in the galactic empire it's just stronger among these two people because they have this connection you know it broke the force midichlorians episode one it's broken you can't if you break a broken thing like it's too negative make a positive i don't know like who gives a shit we're dealing with unless you're literally your religion is jedi you can

be upset about the force because that is literally your religion everyone else we're just watching movies having fun again it's you know i always go back to the video games because like in the video games they'll tell you these crazy stories behind your character and you just accept them but when it's in a movie people are like people get way more protective it's weird it's it's very weird so the falcon comes to the rescue here let's say this though too bob if it's weird to you and you're upset like you have a right to be upset too like we're not disparaging you at all no it's just different different strokes for different folks the falcon comes to the rescue poke kind of hits like half a hyper drive half a light speed push pushes all

the stormtroopers down ray jumps onto the the landing bay like she was fucking skydiving or something awesome awesome jump wraparound and she says i have to destroy the emperor he killed my parents finn is like this isn't like you she's like fucking everyone's telling me they know me nobody knows me she's all pissed off as anyone that you know it's like hearing like hitler's your grandpa it's like oh fuck like oh i wish i didn't have a last name now oh that's a bro can you imagine there's definitely people who found out hitler was the grandpa that is a bad break they head off to kef beer which is one of the moons of endor this is where the wayfinder is that's where the dagger said the wayfinder would be

and palpatine comes down he speaks to kylo ren in this moment and he's like i hope you didn't fail me just bring the girl to me at this point jesus fucking christ he can't get anything right palpatine's robe by the way did you see the little tidbit about palpatine's robe in the visual dictionary no did not actually made and produced by tommy john would you believe that a sponsor of our podcast i now i go back and forth because one it's nice that tommy john was getting you know some screen time in the rise of skywalker too how are you repping for the empire there how you're repping for exegol you gotta do man fucking that skin that can't take like regular poor person threads like I wear.

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She pulls a protractor out of like the side of the staff and it points to exactly where in the Death Star the Wayfinder was. People might point this out and be like, that was cheesy, that was this, that, the next thing. It was so classic like 80s adventure sci-fi to me that i loved it yeah see i didn't like it but then my brother pointed out the goonies aspect of it and then obviously you just pointed out the other movies which kind of makes me like it a little more but i also hated having those goddamn pro not even the protractor but it was the was the compass that made the circles i always pricked myself in the finger with those things oh yeah i hated those those things stunk those things were so hard to use too how was that like the most evolved we had calculators that you could play

games on but you had to use the thing with like the pointy thing that could like you know rip your skin apart i did think it was a little convenient especially because i felt like there weren't any other clues like go to the spot with the x on it and then do the thing like yeah i thought i but again like that's when i said all right justin just it's have fun i could see people being like come on that's fucking way too convenient but like for me i was like oh damn raiders the lost ark like that's laurence caston coming through like i i don't know something about that really was Star Wars-y to me. So I liked that. And she looks and obviously the waters are way too choppy, way too jagged, way too rough to get to the Death Star. She says, fuck it. We have no time at all. She gets on a skimmer, kind of looked like it was made from

the same material that the things from the end of The Last Jedi were made of. Like, it was the old man in the sea style. She goes off to the Death Star. Poe and Finn go back to try to fix the ship. This is when Janna reveals herself as a former stormtrooper to Finn. Her and Finn kind of have a connection that way, have a relation that way. And Poe and Finn fight over what to do here. Finn, as always, is like, we gotta go after Rey! Poe is like, motherfucker, we can't go after Rey. You don't know what she's fighting. And this is another hint towards Finn being Force-sensitive.

He says, yes, I do, and so does Leia. The three of them are Force-sensitive. The three of them do have a sense of what Rey is going up against. Finn says to Poe, you're no Leia, that's for damn sure. It's kind of like the first real fight you get between those two. Kind of made my bromance heart hurt a little bit. I was like, oh, my guy's fucking fighting.

So Finn and Janna decide to chase Rey. They get on another skimmer. Poe goes to fix the Falcon and Rey gets to the Death Star and she starts climbing the tractor beam tower. Did you notice that was the tractor beam tower from A New Hope that Obi-Wan had to crawl out onto to deactivate all the generators? I felt, I didn't know. I did not know that.

So she starts climbing that and I was just like, God damn, that's a fucking cool piece of fan service as well. Oh, so it's like the new Death, the second Death Star's version of that. It's not the exact same one, but it's like the new death the second death star yeah it's not it's not the exact same one but it's the same thing and it's a callback to her time in scavenging ships on jakku as well it's hey she knows how to do this for a reason she's been doing this her whole life she gets up to the throne room we get that classic john williams kind of mystical force theme that was used in return of the Jedi. Awesome score in this movie. I was disappointed we didn't get Duel of the Fates. I wanted Duel

of the Fates at some point, but I did think John Williams crushed it overall. She goes into the room, these doors open, which immediately you're like, all right, some fucked up shit's going to happen here because why are those doors opening on the death star after all these years she gets the wayfinder and as soon as she does she's encountered by dark ray dark side ray this is the person we saw in the trailer with the double bladed red lightsaber she fucking pulls out the double bladed red lightsaber and we get to see a little fight between these two i didn't expect to see that i predicted i think on a previous podcast or maybe on one of the video podcasts we did with Lights, Camera, Barstool, that the clip we saw in the trailer was going to be the beginning and end of what we saw of Darkseid Rey. No, we got a few seconds of her. We got a

few fight moves. We got a few, you know, looks at her. She has gross teeth. She has sharp teeth. She says, don't be afraid of who you are, Rey. And as soon as Rey stumbles backwards and drops the Wayfinder, Kylo Ren's fist grabs it and picks it up. Kylo Ren and Rey face off then in the Emperor's Throne room. The coolest visual of the movie was probably for me, and it was in the trailer, just them standing on either side of the Emperor's Throne, just like the destroyed death star the light shining in it wasn't you know in space it wasn't dark like it was it wasn't ominous yeah no it was cool and just i i kept thinking like all the events that happened in that throne room is what has brought us here now because obviously the emperor and all the shit that

goes down and he dies and but he's still around here um i have to admit i was i was a little too attracted to dark side right and i didn't notice the team oh wow ray i kind of like this side of you it's like i'm a bad boy yeah i don't know what that says about me but i was like all right ray i kind of see what robbie's like why you're he's like one of his life already but and i also felt weird i'm like this is robbie's girl. I'm like, well, technically Dark Side Ray is not my girl. No, no, Dark Side Ray is not my girl. I go for Light Side Ray. You know me, Rebel Alliance for Life.

Fuck the other side. That's how I go with that. All right, now we are going to take the first ever intermission in the history of My Mom's Basement. Clem's got to go record Podfathers. This is a long podcast. You guys are getting a lot of material with this one. We got to take a. I gotta drink some blue milk, get this dry mouth over with, get this

dry mouth done with, and we will be right back to talk about the rest of The Rise of Skywalker. All right, we are back from intermission. We are an hour and 45 minutes into this podcast. I mean, we've been going off and off about The Rise of Skywalker, but this movie is really about to kick into high gear here. At this point in the story, we are in the throne room with Kylo Ren and Rey, and they start this massive lightsaber fight. The biggest lightsaber fight of the movie, because Kylo Ren destroys the Wayfinder. He says, if you're going to Exegol, you're going with me. And they immediately start fighting. So they get to somehow, they like jump down onto the throne room and then we see them on top of the Death Star. This is all of the stuff that we've seen in promotion for the Rise of

Skywalker and trailers, posters, whatever. This is the big fight of the movie. Rey versus Kylo Ren too, if you will. And in that,, in that MMA boxing sort of way. It's the only lightsaber fight I can think of right off the top that doesn't really feature any music for the majority of it. And I was really paying attention for that. And the first time I watched it, I was like, oh, what a weird choice to not put an amazing John Williams score behind it. But the second and third time, it kind of gave me that like, uh, Dark Knight Rises, Batman versus Bane feel how there's no music in that fight. It's just raw. And that's how this

felt. It was also like a superhero fucking fight because there was a ton of wire work. You could tell where they're doing backflips and they're doing massive jumps. It felt like these two had grown a lot from the first fight in the forest. What did you think of the lightsaber fight? Yeah, the one thing that stuck out to me was Ray, Ray just like jumping like fucking Vince Carter in the dump. I kind of liked how she was showing off her power because at this point you're like, all right, she's related to the emperor because I can't say his last name. And she's just like, she's showing off those powers that, you know, she has.

And then obviously her and Kylo have trained since then. So that was kind of the one thing that kind of just stuck with me. I liked it with the the giant waves kind of giving you perspective of how crazy this is all. And it's just fucking it. Like you said, I almost wished I was looking for some sort of a Duel of the Fates remix. I was looking for the real song to come out, but some sort of like a hint of it somewhere. And I thought it was going to be in that scene and it wasn't, but it really wouldn't fit there. It would be more of, I guess the Emperor looking back would have been more of a better place to put it.

But I liked everything. I was fine with the scene. I liked it. I thought it was cool how they were jumping. It was like, like I said, it was like a superhero fight almost. Like they were the superheroes of the Force, this Force dyad. She even pushes Finn and Janna away at one point using the Force. She's trying to get them out of there.

We see Kylo Ren like walking through the waves. And just as the fight has reached its climax where Kylo is like really fucking, he's like hitting Rey with his lightsaber like it's a baseball bat basically. He's just fucking swinging it, walloping her, and she's barely blocking each and every shot. And they even did a thing with the Force where they like held each other's lightsabers back with the Force. I thought that was really cool. But Leia calls out to Ben one more time. She kind of like stumbles away from her command center at the resistance base. You could tell that she's falling ill or falling weak at least. And she reaches out to him.

She says, Ben. And he stops. He drops his lightsaber. Rey grabs it, fucking backhand stabs him right in the stomach with it, right through him. As she does that that she senses leia pass away and she's heartbroken she drops it she falls into tears very sad moment very cool way to kill both kylo ren and leia in one clean swoop and the way they did it where this was the death of kylo ren you know and from this point on he's basically

Ben Solo because she puts her hand on his stomach heals him as we saw earlier so gross to see that lightsaber wound heal through his stomach just absolutely disgusting the whole way again a good move for the Rey character to not feel hateful and I feel like maybe she's felt a sense of responsibility for Leia in killing Ben. Almost like she killed Ben and then she felt Leia pass like, oh, fuck. Was this the only thing she was holding on for or what? So I enjoyed this. Yeah, I was with you too. I was like, all right, we don't need to see wounds.

We can see some blood. We see a little heal. We cut back to like her face and then we look and it's healed we don't need to see like the real literally blood and guts of it all i don't need to see how the sausage is made and how it's healed back to life i did not i did not appreciate that but again this is kind of like again where we said pg-13 like this shit just flies now we have heads being severed i guess this arm revenge of the sith was bg-13 and anakin burning up at the end of that is more terrifying than anything in this movie so that is

a good point oh man that was screaming at the top of his lungs like holy fuck i i'm happy you said this too because the way that those lightsabers they were just swinging them at each other it was like pure rage and anger and i was like wow this It kind of gave it like a dialed up feel like we're just ending this shit now. We're not having this battle go on for another round between us, which it was almost like they're the – they were the Ronnie and Sammy of fucking – they're just always fighting. We haven't known them at a time where they aren't fighting. It's just that's all they do. Even through the force, they found a way to fight like through the phone basically, screaming at each other. Oh, fuck.

That's funny. The Ronnie and Sammy of the Star Wars universe. The Ronnie and Sammy, they were the Jersey Shore dyad. Yeah, they were the Jersey Shore dyad. Where are you going to get that? If you haven't subscribed to the podcast yet, you're like three hours in. Got to subscribe to the podcast on that. We just fucking gave you a jersey short star wars reference so ray bends down to kylo and she says this really good line where she says i wanted to take your

hand ben's hand which she's been pushing over and over and over again it's the classic luke always saw the light invader she's always seeing the ben solo in kylo ren she takes his tie whisper tie fight on the tie whisper i guess got destroyed on persona she takes the tie fighter that he got Kylo Ren. She takes his TIE Whisper, or TIE Fighter, I don't know, the TIE Whisper, I guess, got destroyed on Pasaana. She takes the TIE Fighter that he got there on, and she goes off to exile herself to Ahch-To, where Luke originally exiled himself to in The Force Awakens Last Jedi. At the same time, Po swoops around, he grabs Finn and Janna, and we cut back to the Resistance base. Chewie is fucking devastated when he gets the news that general leo organa has passed away and this is the most heart-wrenching moment in the entire movie

for me if not the entire fucking sequel trilogy after of course han solo passing away and chewy reacting to that this guy just can't catch a break so chewy's reaction was like one of those like i'm happy they hit that right yeah it's like he finds out about her and they always had that special relationship and obviously it's been going on uh it goes way back to the original trilogy however when leia um is does leia at this point is she has she disappeared she hasn't disappeared has she no okay but she's she have the blanket over her face yeah just the way it like looks for some reason i just think of like a movie where like there's a boner and i just can't see that picture without a boner what the fuck me up man i don't know it's from some comedy movie i can't tell you which stop it is. Stop it. So it kind of ruined it for me. And Chewie – but Chewie's reaction is great.

Show some respect. I mean, the princess. I feel bad. And that's my other thing. She's the princess. How the fuck do you just stay a princess forever? You don't move up or down. I mean, I know she was a general.

But, like, when do you go from – like, just stop being a princess? Like, you're a princess. Well, no, no, no. She was a princess on alderaan which got blown up so okay that's i guess you're really you're really being insensitive to all the star wars uh you know 2019 like people are like her planet blew up dude that's why that girl at home planet would have been like she'd be like oh what are you the princess of? My home planet that blew up with my everyone. So we cut back to Octo.

Rey has destroyed the TIE fighter that she got there on. She's throwing logs of wood at it, and she picks up the lightsaber. We get to see Porgs for a second. I'm glad they showed Porgs, especially for my little nephew, Luke. He just fucking loves the Porgs. I wanted the Sicilian women back. I didn't love the Porgsgs i wanted the sicilian women back i've got oh yeah i didn't love the porgs i love this imagine we just got a cut to the sicilian women being like this bitch is back they hated ray they really she just disrupted everything for them like their house ends up

burning down from the tie fighter yeah yeah somehow she throws a log that catches on fire and catches one of their huts on yeah that would be hysterical but she she looks at the skywalker saber and she's like all right fuck it she throws that at the tie fighter and a force ghost hand reaches out and catches it it's luke skywalker he has this grand entrance where he walks out of the burning tie fighter he says a jedi's weapon deserves more respect a little uh a little i don't know, dig at The Last Jedi for sure. That's the most blatant of all of the ones in the movie. Were you hooting and hollering in theater when Luke says this? I came when that happened, and I came when you were saying that just now, Robbie.

I loved that moment. I absolutely loved it because I forgot how much I hated that. Just the whole Lukeke how they just made luke i just hated and when he does it i was like oh like at first i thought he was being funny wacky luke again i was like oh no he's serious he's just basically yeah he was serious he says the words i was wrong he says he's looking at ray like what the fuck's wrong with you like you are the last hope didn't you see what i did? Like, this is all for nothing if you don't go confront your fear. And he says, what are you so afraid of? She says, myself. And he says,

why? Because you're a Palpatine. And she is completely taken by surprise. She had no idea that, you know, he knew. He's like, no, Leia knew as well. Some things are stronger than blood. We trained you because you had the passion for it, because you had the heart for it, because you had all this. And that made me, that was a character defining moment for both Luke and Leah for me, where it made me like those characters even more. Like they knew this was the granddaughter of emperor Palpatine. And they were like, no, fuck, fuck it. We're going to, we're going to continue to train her. She deserves this. That was cool. Do you, do you think when he says I've seen that kind of power once and it's scary or I didn't know, like I was scared of it or whatever.

Do you think he's talking about the emperor because she's a Palpatine? Or do you think – because I thought immediately it was Kylo Ren. Yeah, so did I. But now that you bring that, I hadn't even thought about that. Yeah, it could be. I guess he says it didn't scare me enough then. It does now. I don't know.

It definitely explains why he didn't want to train her at first, if he truly sensed that at any point. It definitely explains why he was hesitant. I really enjoyed that. So he brings her up to the hut. He says there's something Leia wanted you to have, or would have wanted you to have, and it's her lightsaber.

We didn't even know Leia had a lightsaber, but they unwrap it. She had a very cool lightsaber hilt. It was like sort of feminine, but sort of like a warrior's, I don't know, it reminded me a little of Mace Windu's actually. It reminds me of like rose gold iPhones.

Where it's like, oh, it's girly, but it's strong too. It could work for anyone. And they cut to one of the more shocking scenes in the movie, which was a flashback sequence to, I guess, a few years after Return of the Jedi of a young Luke and Leia training. And they're really going at it with these lightsabers. Leia kicks Luke in the chest, he falls and the blast shield on his helmet comes up. And this looks spot on like 1985 Mark Hamill to a scary degree. And then Leia comes up and it sort of looks like Leia.

It looks like Leia enough for you to be like, oh shit, that's Princess Leia and she's young. I don't think it looked as good as the Mark Hamill one. I read that they did this using original dailies from A New Hope. Which if that's true, like, holy fuck. They weren't like computer generated. Like they just, I guess, digitally imposed their actual faces onto those characters. On the rewatch, does it look worse and worse?

Like I was like, is it going to look like a cut scene from like a Battlefront game if you keep watching it? You know what? Battlefront was the first thing that came to mind for me. Luke's looks spot on. Luke's is perfect. Leia's is a little iffy i this is one of the things where i think they kind of just had to make do with what they had and especially like that's why they're wearing blasters like the face shields to begin at all it's like all right

that's that's good and it's also dark and they're only lit by their lightsabers luke had his green lightsaber which is cool to see we haven't seen that a ton in this trilogy which you understand why they wanted to do the legacy lightsaber but i always loved his green lightsaber so we know where his lightsaber is we don't know where it is right no i'm fine with that i figure you know again there's going to be a billion star wars pieces of content that will come up it's, it's going to now what happened? I, because one of the highlights of the last Jedi for me was the, the lightsaber exploding. Yep.

We don't really get like what she did. And again, you don't need to walk me through everything. I do think it would have been nice if they were like, cause you know, they kind of mentioned how Luke built his, you know, the emperor was like,

you built your own lightsaber. It's obviously a big deal. And right. She's just, she's going to do it the right way. And it's just kind of like, and she did it. But again, you're just jamming more things into this movie. It would have felt like a Frankenstein, you know, the more you did.

Yeah. I was also kind of, I don't want to say disappointed by the fact that she was just using the Anakin saber again through this movie, because I especially understood by the end of it when she's using both Skywalker twin sabers. I got what they were going for there. But at the end of the last one, I was with you. I was like, oh, fuck, the Skywalker saber is destroyed now. She's got to make her own. We're going to get a new lightsaber in this movie. They did show, I guess, at the end of The Last Jedi, she had both sides of it. She had all of the pieces necessary. And a year has passed, or at least some time has passed

since The Last Jedi. It does have a new piece in the middle. If you look at it in the middle of this movie, it has like a black piece around it sort of looks like the piece that was like on Darth Vader's Hill, which looks very similar to Anakin Skywalker's. But yeah, that was someone wrote in that same question. Like,

did she just rebuild it? I guess she did. I guess they were like, we don't want to destroy the lightsaber. That's, you know, the easiest to market for us. That's it's like, we don't want to destroy the lightsaber that's, you know, the easiest to market for us. It's like, we're thinking toys here, motherfucker.

And they have a lot of them that are going to be coming. I mean, you know, you met with the people. You met with Hasbro. Yeah. I just imagine, like, the head of Hasbro sitting in the Last Jedi premiere. That lightsaber explodes. He's like, motherfucker, they're going to have to run that back. We're not stopping production on those.

And right as she's like luke i have i have no idea how to get to exegol and he tells her you know a thousand generations live on in you now she says i i just don't know how i would even get to exegol he says you have everything you need so they grab the wayfinder from the ship and he lifts red five out of the sea gives it to her she puts on the red five helmet definitely just like this is a big piece of fan service for you here she's she's commanding luke's x-wing she's flying luke's x-wing to the final battle but i ate it up i fucking loved it this was one that i had no problem just enjoying and it it did make sense at the same point too where it wasn't it didn't feel

like you were jamming it into the movie i I was like, it would be there somewhere. And the helmet, it's kind of like— Yeah, you see it in The Last Jedi, too. They show it in the water. Yeah, and we kind of mentioned this in, what, The Mandalorian, where it was still like that— when they go to the base and they still have that 70s vibe to it. I just like that look being consistent. And obviously, in the battle down the road, Red 5 is on the map.

You're like, Red 5 is back! Again, those were the moments that I had no problem where it didn't take too much. There's not too much nitpicking to do it, and you can live with it. So I dug that shit a lot. For you overall, did you think there was too much fan service or no? I mean, maybe.

I feel like some of the fan service is where this is what I think. I think the fan service that they did, that's where they ended up getting into trouble, where people can pick a lot of things, because I think it was they were kind of just doing it on more time to flesh all this stuff out it would have been smoother and a lot of the things people would i think are complaining about would they there be less things they could really you know nitpick but this was one thing that i i don't know people probably hate this fucking thing i don't know i loved it though i saw some people being you know curmudgeons about it why would she be flying red five how would that ship work after all these years how would it not be all waterlogged and i was thinking like if it could fly in space it's probably airtight so uh the waterlogged thing i i that's such a crazy thing to nitpick because also they fucking pull luke's out of the swamp and degobah and he flies it afterwards i

it's such a crazy thing to nitpick we cut back to ky Kylo Ren on top of the Death Star wreckage looking over the sea, and you hear the words, hey kid, in that Harrison Ford voice. The most shocking moment of the movie for me. Undoubtedly, I had no idea Harrison Ford would be in this as Han Solo. I saw him at the premiere, and I was like, I didn't, you know, I wasn't there. I didn't see him in person, but I saw pictures of him on the red carpet and whatnot. And I was like, hmm, are they going to do some kind of flashback, some kind of time travel? Neither. We're seeing Kylo Ren being haunted by what he did to his father. It was teased earlier in the film. Rey brought it up again. She was like, you're haunted by you killing your father. And we see basically, he said, you're just a memory. You're just a dream. They're reliving

the exact moment when Kylo murdered Han Solo in The Force Awakens, almost to the exact word for word dialogue throughout, which I thought was like such an awesome choice. I think originally, and I'm not the first person to say this, this was probably a scene meant for Leia to have with Kylo, especially being this was meant to be really her movie. But this being the second best thing you could do, it was phenomenal for me. Even Kylo, Adam Driver in this scene, making basically the decision for the first time ever and reliving that memory, that moment, to do the right thing and to not kill his father. And him tearing up and him saying, Dad, for the first time. And Han hits him with a, I know. And he just throws that saber away.

He turns around and Han is there. It wasn't a force ghost, so you didn't break the rules in that way. It was just him being haunted by his own father. Ten out of of 10 one of the best scenes in the movie in my mind yep i was that was one of those things i just was so happy i made it to the movie without it being spoiled for me which is like fucked up that's what the things you have to be excited about one but you know with thrones or with endgame there's like you don't want to have those huge. And I had a bunch spoiled for me. Some assholes ruined a lot of good things for me in Thrones. I was so happy.

I had no idea. And in the grand scheme of things, it's not that important in terms of like the act. Like, obviously, it helps turn Kylo into Ben for good and make that choice. But it was just one of those moments that was I was like, it was fucking awesome. I also was like, strangely thinking, like, it would have been funny if he tried to kill him again. I thought I killed you, old man. Get the fuck – I was also looking to see if he had the cool Harrison Ford earring in. Like he's gone to – he's probably like, you know, like once you die, I'm Han.

All the girls up there know my face now and I don't have to fucking fight with her anymore. I kind of wanted to hear if Han was having a good afterlife with the ladies. But I mean, I know. No one I was with I don't think picked up on that. I hit it and I was like, that was the fucking scene. When he says, I know. It got me instantly. I also would have been like, you killed fucking Chewie?

Are you serious, man? You killed Chewie? Yeah. we you fucking are you serious man yeah should we yeah so the emperor then orders pride to destroy uh kajimi and meet him at exegol we see the destruction of another planet because you can't let one more star wars movie go by without seeing a planet blow up it was a different planet blowing up animation than we've ever seen so i don't know fucking hats off to him for for doing that poe goes down to talk to leia's body he's kind of doing that thing where someone talking to a grave and they're like i don't know how i'm gonna do this she made him acting general so now he is the general and we hear lando behind

him and he's like pretty much got everything you need we just had each other and we we won the war against the empire just being on tiny band together. So R2 now restores 3PO's memory at the base. We start getting in the pump-up mindset at the Resistance base. Poe promotes Finn to being general with him. He's like, I can't do this without you. You're a general as well. Finn gives him some intel from Dio about Exegol.

And Rey starts sending the coordinates of where she is to them so they could follow her. They're kind of GPSing their way, and that was the cool moment where they say, like, C-3PO says, R2's picking up a transmission. He must be, you know, messed up in his memory, though, because he's receiving it from Master Luke, and Poe's like, oh, no, that's an old command ship.

That's Rey. She's showing us how to get there. Just a cool, like, oh, we're we're going to battle i always love even in the force in the force awakens right before they go to star killer base and there's that moment where like fin and pope pass each other on the battlefield and they just kind of give each other that look like here we go pumps me the fuck up yeah my guy r2 comes through again brings c-3po's memory back shout out to him for being really does for being in the background of this trilogy have so many moments where he comes up big in the first one he he has that map to luke put it in storage for 10 years or whatever and the force awakens he has the uh projection of leia that gets luke back in the swing of things and in this one he restores 3po's memory and tells everyone how to get to Exegol.

I forgot about the Leia transmission. I was like, that was a fucking great moment right there. I think I've called him the Robert Ori of Star Wars. He's not the star, but he's in the rotation, but he always comes through clutch. That's why he's my guy. He's my number one fucking guy always comes through so and the fact that like oh i bet r2's like none of my jokes land if this fucking big gold asshole doesn't remember any that we were friends all these years like i can only bust his like fucking amnesia ass so many times so and and

shout out to fucking 3pl being like oh you can't trust an r2 unit yo that's the r2 unit that's the fuck that's robert ori r2 out of your 3pl um yeah the the thing with ray coming in with the stuff and you're like oh yeah we're going now and i almost felt this is just like my nerd star wars brain thinking when lander's like we're the ones who just did it it was almost like the original trilogy it's like we did it because it was like it was just us. It was just us. It was the it was George Lucas's crazy effects. John Williams score.

And like that's the way that's the reason the original work. And I think the other two, the prequel and the sequels kind of got stuck in their own ways for different reasons. And I almost feel like I kind of like took that as like that's the reason why Lando Lando would never they would never make a character as like good as lando now i feel i feel like they'd fuck it up one way or the other i honestly like i said i think they kind of fucked up lando at the end of this one with a couple of random things but like i don't know i just that kind of gave me the feels for the original trilogy when he said that and it kind of just makes you remember like those guys are so fucking cool man han solo luke lando like everyone just i love it. Of course, as much as I love the prequels for what they are, and as much as I love the sequels just overall, nothing will ever

touch the original trilogy for me. Ken Jack, I think, actually put it well when he said, the prequels had a great overall concept and very poor individual execution, and the sequels had not a lot of planning throughout and good individual execution. And the sequels had not a lot of planning throughout and good individual execution. Now, I know you would disagree with that in The Last Jedi and even this movie in certain ways, but I think that was a good way of putting it, at least in my mind.

And I do love this sequel trilogy, as I think all of the listeners know by now. Poe gives the pump-up speech of a lifetime. He says, let's do this for everyone we ever lost. Let's do of a lifetime he says let's do this for everyone we ever lost let's do this for leia let's do this for whatever let's do this for the galaxy uh someone mentions hey why don't we try a holdo maneuver can we just like do that and finn was like no fucking way that's one in a million which is a good way of acknowledging that because i could acknowledge that the holdo maneuver does sort of break certain things about space travel explain to the the list because I didn't pick up on that at first. I didn't know what that

was. And then I was like, oh, that makes sense. Yeah, the Holdo maneuver is them light speeding through Snoke's ship from The Last Jedi. So they're saying, yeah, we can't just do that all the time. Did you notice, by the way, the Mon Calamari that looked like a young Admiral Ackbar? You notice Poe called him junior that is i assume akbar's son i saw it's akbar's son i didn't catch the junior part of it but i saw like uh you know there was a couple easter eggs i was reading about online and that was one of them so i didn't realize that at first another thing that gets me very upset about the last jedi is the way my my dog fucking akbar went out but a cool way to make up for that though at

least introducing his son here. And I think, you know, a lot of people did agree that, like, what is the Holder maneuver? Yep. Like that whole, you know, why the fuck didn't everyone just, you know, hyperspace through the Death Star and this and that? I'm happy they at least kind of, like, bandaged that up, you know, two years later. I'll take, again, those little things, I'll take what I can get with that. So Rey arrives on Exegol on her on her red five x-wing it is awesome looking this is one of my favorite from the

sequel trilogy looking planets like this is immediately a planet I want to know more about the Sith ruins there the Sith statues the Sith temples all of the Sith workers. She flies in alone. It's very eerie. She hears the Emperor's voice and she walks out onto where the Sith throne was, which the whole time I was kind of thinking like, are they doing a Game of Thrones thing here? We're like, we're going to get someone sitting on the throne at the end. But she walks up to the Sith throne. Nobody is sitting on it. And as she looks around, there are thousands of people in this Coliseum type arena, and they're all chanting, very creepy, lit only by lightning and whatnot. And then the Emperor comes out on that arm, on the claw. It's like from Toy Story,

the claw. I was waiting for those aliens to, they all take off the robe there in the crowd. So the Emperor comes out on the clock. He says, I've been waiting. Long have I waited for my granddaughter to come home. He calls her one of the coolest phrases I've heard in quite some time, Empress Palpatine, which when they eventually sell the Dark Ray action figure, I hope that's what they market it as i hope it says empress palpatine on the on the toys that's just a little nitpicky like star wars fan thing but that name is too cool not to use it nope i mean all in on empress i mean that just makes me love her even more man she's fucking awesome empress palpatine ah empress is not used nearly enough

i know i guess so cool need more need more women emperors and need more emperors in this world in general that sounds uh thanos is definitely i'm going to the dark side yeah so right as this is happening the resistance fleet shows up just a couple of them lando was sent around the galaxy to get as many people as he could get the word out he said you know poe has that great line where he says good good people will fight if we lead them. So a few of them show up. They're kind of getting lit up early. Finn's mission is to destroy the navigation ship. As always with Star Wars, there's always one target where you could get in.

If you destroy that, you're pretty much good on the entire fleet. And they do something that they've never done in Star Wars. We're like, the Resistance is like, all right, if we destroy this, we're good. And then the First Order's like oh wait they got us figured out and they changed it up they actually flipped it to a ship so I was like alright they're learning we're going back and forth this is a heavyweight slugfest

someone's getting dropped they're dropping their opponent next and Fin senses the ship that they send it to with the force this is the most blatant of his force uses I guess at this point and really cool moment they lead a ground assault which is when they bring all of the horses on the side of the star destroyer i've seen some people being like that was horrible i didn't like seeing that i thought

it was kind of cool looking it's something we haven't seen and it was cool to distract us from like the seriousness of what's going on down below the ships going down that's kind of like just all in our face sensory overload and then it's like all right at least we got a little ground fight did you take issue with the horses on the side of the destroyer i was it was like the whole thing like can horses and people like breathe i always like star wars are the planets and stuff like that i always don't know how people can like live or you know exist or not die um and it's kind of like horses in star wars equals the casino planet equals leads to the darks leads to pain leads to last jedi memories so that was like the one thing but i did like i always can get down

when you're doing uh it's like other living creatures are fighting you know the bad guys the empire the first order whoever it may be and it's not just like rope you know machine versus machine ships versus ships whether it's the ewoks whether it's you know the horses whatever it may be and it was like a like i said a ground attack and they were noticing that it wasn't you know your typical you know droids or whatever were going into battle. I thought that was cool. So back underground with the Emperor and Rey, he explains that he wants Rey to strike him down and he will be the sacrifice necessary for his spirit to live on inside of her. This is an interesting fold to the entire Sith rule of two now,

because it implies that once you kill whoever, there's one sith left it's the emperor and if you kill him all of the sith lords all sith lord energy will be transferred onto you because she would be killing him out of hate hate leads to suffering suffering well it leads to the dark side you all know the the deal here i thought that was a really cool wrinkle and ray says i will not hate anyone, you know, even you. And he starts, he takes low blows. He's like, your parents were weak. It's like, ah, fuck, you didn't have to fucking go there. You killed their parents. Now you're calling them weak. And right as this is happening, we see a TIE fighter in the background and Ben

Solo arrives. Now he's just wearing long johns at this point. He takes off all his Kylo Ren capes and he's just wearing like a black long sleeve t-shirt and black pajama pants interesting look for him he threw his lightsaber away i bet he wishes he didn't once he arrives to exegol with a blaster he does the exact same shot and it's framed the exact same way uh not looking behind the back that han does in the force awakens he has like a very humanizing moment when he jumps down, he hits the chain, and he's like, ow. We spend a moment with him where we get to see that. Adam Driver

played him completely differently than he's played Kylo Ren. It very much felt to me like Ben Solo was a different person than Kylo Ren. And a cool little detail, when Rey heals his lightsaber wound, she also heals his scar on his face. So Ben never has the scar. I thought that was really cool, especially

being like Rey was the one that put the scar there in the first place. Yep. No, I noticed that too. And I was like, oh shit. And he like, it's the first time you meet Ben Solo basically, which I thought was, it was fucking, I mean, Adam Driver killed it, dude. I mean, I think even like the biggest haters, even if they didn't even love the Kylo Ren character or the arc. I mean, if you don't think Adam Driver killed it, I don't know what to tell you, man. At some point, you just have to admit. I think other than maybe Harrison Ford and maybe you could lump Carrie Fisher in there as well. But I think he might be the best actor in the franchise like like for

real he he was just next level throughout the entire trilogy he arrives on exegol he gets down to the bottom and he gets his shit kicked in by the knights of ren they are beating his ass very handily for just a little bit because as ray looks up and we have like it's straight out of return of the jedi where the emperor's like, look, your friends are dying. You can, you're the only one that could save them. She sees that and she kind of has that oh fuck moment. But she also senses that Ben is there. She lifts her lightsaber up behind her back.

And she pulls her hand out and there's no lightsaber there. Everybody in the crowd gasps. And Ben Solo pulls that lightsaber out from behind his back. This was the, almost the, you know, Luke was never really there on crate moment of the movie, where it just got everyone in the crowd to gasp, oh my god, what a force transfer there, and Ben Solo does the Han Solo shrug, and he starts fucking up all of the knights of ren he puts those powers like really to the limit he pushes all of them he jumps over some of them stabs them through the back he's showing what we've always wanted to see from ben solo and not kylo ren and it's kind of a reverse of like

the the assault he led in the beginning on mustafar yeah so there's two things one i was almost expecting ray to kill herself i thought that was like i thought that was how the force was going to be balanced i thought she would kill herself instead of falling to to him um and then obviously when she drops it that was like a huge aha moment i didn't notice the shrug was han solo but now that i'm thinking about it that makes it awesome obviously I will say this I understand what he's doing with the Knights of Ren he kills him that's one of I think the big misses of

the trilogy is I don't know anything about the Knights of Ren I didn't really follow them I felt like they were badass dudes like when I heard about them like you know leading up to the last Jedi or whenever they're for I think whenever you like kind of get the flashback in The Force Awakens, you're like, oh, the Knights of Ren are going to be there.

I'm like, I don't know what the Knights of Ren are, but that's an awesome name and they're going to be awesome. And I honestly, they're not even close to the Children of Thanos. I take back the compliments I gave them by even mentioning them in the same sentence. Oh, no. They're kind of close. Come on, the Children of Thanos kind of got their ass kicked. I mean, they were better because they got two movies.

They got some dialogue. They were all different. At least that's what I wanted from the Knights of Ren. They got to get the dialogue. They just never, it's not, I'm not saying the Knights of Ren's fault. I'm saying the people that made star Wars didn't give me a chance to,

I don't even, I couldn't even tell you. It's like guy with the long staff guy with the shorter long staff. Like, whereas you had my, by Ebony Maw, you have all the different people with the shorter long staff like whereas you had uh my boy ebony maw you have all the different people with the children and fana so that was the one thing i feel like it was a missed opportunity because during that scene i'm like all right kylo has his work cut out for him i guess i don't really know much about these guys but i'm also not like man i can't

believe he's taking those guys down so that was one opportunity i thought they missed. But the other thing is people are probably complaining about the emperor. He's like – he kind of does the whole – he does his trick with Luke and he does it with Rey. He didn't really do it with Vader because he had Vader on the hook with Padme. But like he just takes the same exact thing as Return of the Jedi. It's like, look at your friends. They're going to die. He hates people that have friends, by the way. he even mentions it to pride earlier in the movie he's like he's like meet me at exegol the girl will come and her friends will follow like he hates friends he's

got no friends he's a spongebob meme where he's just looking through the blinds and he's looking at everyone's playing outside without him so i again i couldn't name the guy in that fucking thing i'm not a spongebob guy which is is embarrassing, but, um, I shouldn't have, I shouldn't have admitted in the podcast. It just dates me more than I am. However, um, like I bet people would nitpick that as well. I will say this. I feel like you just kind of do what you know, like people have friends and he probably, again, like he hates friends. He knows that that's probably like the strongest bond other than the family which he obviously killed himself or he had someone kill for him so uh i what he uses that trick once every 30 something years like give the guy a break it's like it almost worked on luke and luke didn't have

uh he was an empress palpatine so yeah so they cut back to ray just as you know she when she pulled this move the claw kind of pulls the emperor away from her she has a quick sequence where she fights a few of his guards she fucks them up by they all fire blasters at her she takes like one of their blaster lasers and kind of fires it around and sends it through a couple of their heads really brutal but if you watch a few times you could catch that and Ben shows up they they both raised their skywalker twin lightsabers at the emperor immediately a pump-up moment in the theater i was like grabbing fran the first time we were watching this together we were grabbing each other like oh my god they're fighting together against the emperor and just as this happens the emperor

like kind of drains some force energy out of them not even on purpose it kind of just zaps into his body and he looks at his fingers and they all start regrowing and we could all tell what's happening here and he he's like oh my god a force dyad this has been unseen for generations and this will he says the two will restore the one true emperor. So we see he starts getting the face wrinkles back. He gets the yellow eyes back. His robe even appears to become like different. He gets a red robe. He could start walking around now.

This is an awesome moment, I think, just because the whole movie, I was like, all right, the emperor looks super creepy, but he doesn't look like the Emperor. And at this point forward, he looks like the Emperor. And he is scarier than ever. I think this is the Emperor's scariest movie. I like that we had the Emperor has those road alternate reds, too.

Like, yeah, that's his color. His boys wear the color. That's his thing. The way he zaps it out of them immediately, and has that like he he's almost shocked like oh fuck and it's kind of like his reaction to it does kind of speak of how he doesn't know everything right because that you knew everything he wouldn't have been so surprised by the way it all went um i also was like did he kill them here and i i was i had some a lot of confusion going through me during that time so i'd like to re-watch it and kind of know what's going on.

But yeah. At the same moment, it's going really badly for Poe's fleet. Poe, all his guys are dying. I mean, our guy Snap Wexley goes down. The Tantive looked like it was going down. And just as all hope is lost, we hear a little crackle through the earpiece. And he says, on your left.

No, I mean, he says, we're all here. Butpiece and he says on your left no i mean he says uh but it's basically the on your left moment of this movie and it's lando and he says there's there's a lot of us or you know pose like there's just too many of them and landis is well there's a lot more of us and we cut to poe flies over the most ships ever seen in the history of star wars chills on my arm even thinking about it um an amazing on your left moment and it's like the on your left but it's different because in the avengers and that one is trust me i will not disparage that moment at all that's the greatest movie moment of the year still i would say but in that it's like all these heroes we know a lot of people coming back from the dead all of these people that we've spent 10 years really building up individually. In this

movie, it's different in that it's the whole galaxy and it's faceless people. And because of that, it's almost better for this story. You know, it's people that you don't even know that are standing up to fight for you. So i like the parallels between the two but i also like the differences between the two i like how it just like it always seemed like everyone hates the empire and or the first order whatever it's like it was nice to finally see all hands on deck let's get rid of these fucking assholes forever lando is like if you want a dude to be out on the recruiting trail for you oh my god that dude that guy the suaveness in his voice like hey why don't you come to exegol and we'll defeat the empire together hey we got wedge

we got wedge for a second with no helmet on i don't know what big pop put throw a fucking helmet on wedge what are you doing out there we got uh zory bliss with babu frick our guy made it out of kajimi all safe and sound. Thank God. And just as we're like, oh, fuck, all right, we're doing good now. The Emperor unleashes the most unlimited power of all time. He fucking forced lightnings into the sky. He went off. He went bananas.

And I heard the sound engineer, because all three times I've been like, the sound effect that plays when he does this is the the biggest sound i've ever heard in a movie theater he said it was an electric toothbrush that they just like placed on a metal microphone and then he's like yeah we just like decompressed it down and like blew out the blew out the subwoofers basically with it he takes down all of these ships as this is happening right after he also throws kylo ren down a down a hole and he says like just as i once fell the last skywalker will fall so he's referencing the skywalker throwing him down the hole kind of a cool nod to that and ray looks up and she sees the whole fleet dropping all the lightning in the air. She sees past all of that. She sees the

stars. Rey's theme kicks in and you hear the voice of Obi-Wan saying, Rey, these are your final steps. And then you hear the voice of Anakin Skywalker saying, bring balance to the force just as I did. You hear the voices of Luke, of Leia, of Yoda, of Ahsoka, of Qui-Gon, of Mace Windu, of every Jedi you could think of from the comics to the movies to the TV shows. I guess not the comics because nobody voiced them originally. But every Jedi out there in Star Wars canon comes to Rey in this moment, just as Luke foresaw, just as he said, a thousand generations will live on in you now.

They do. And she stands up and the Emperor is like, what in the fuck? She ignites that one lightsaber. It's one of the more badass looking shots of Rey we've gotten in the whole sequel trilogy. And she decides she's going to strike him down. He zaps lightning at her. She deflects it off with the one lightsaber. And he says, I am all the Sith. She grabs the Skywalker saber out of the pit. And she says, and I am all the Jedi. She fucking summons the energy of every Jedi from Jedi's past. She blows up the Emperor.

She blows his face up like the Nazi at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark when his face finn's plan on the side of the star destroyer worked and all of the emperor's sith uh followers also go down with it what did you think of the conclusion the the the big big moment here in the rise of skywalker the the force lightning was like one of those like oh shit we that can be done like he just taken down entire fleets in the fucking air and then it's like it's weird that he can do that but then he can't take down two lightsabers with the force but it's a force thing it's a force force light versus dark so i understand the balance of that all playing out um those i i don't i still don't know if i love or hate all the cloaked sith ghosts like i loved them i really did i thought

they were so cool you know what they reminded me of they're like uh gladiator span you're span you're like oh yeah start chanting spaniard at him and he starts singing like what more can i say by jay-z or something it was it was just a – it was a weird vibe but I also like kind of got where they were. And then when she gets all the voices talking to her and you have Luke and you have Obi-Wan or whatever, I wanted Mace Windu to be like, kill that motherfucker. Stab that motherfucker in the chest. In furious anger I saw some people complaining about how did two lightsabers overpower the emperor

why didn't the emperor just stop you know putting his force lightning through her I took it as a total arrogance thing I took it as a he just rejuvenated himself into the true emperor for the first time in you know a full generation and he's like fuckvenated himself into the true emperor for the first time in you know a full generation and he's like fuck this i'm all the sith i'm about to defeat all of the jedi by doing this and it was just a complete and total arrogance kind of like thanos and in terms of you

know they he said in that movie the arrogant ones never expect defeat or whatever yep and it's it's like the emperor just does this shit all the time. He always thinks he has. And also the last time he died, someone just picked him up and threw him down a hole. It wasn't like he was the hardest to defeat last time. Yeah, it is kind of funny how, which that would have been a huge nitpick. Like the Emperor is the most powerful being in the universe

and he doesn't see Darth Vader turning up. Darth Vader hit him with like the ultimate warrior's finisher. Yeah, the gorilla press. Yeah. That's what he did. It's a force thing. There's dark and the light. They're going at each other

and she maybe with a little bit of dark she has ends up overpowering him. I don't really know what to – I'm not going to complain about that. I know people are going to complain about it. You're not going to get it from me. Even in that moment, it's not like she handily defeats him. It's super easy for her and that's the end of it she dies she then has a moment where she falls to her knees

she drops both lightsabers and uh you know appearingly dies finn senses it in the falcon he's like oh my god you know that was a nice scene where Lando swooped around, saved him. And Kylo rises from where he was thrown in the pit. I saw that in an earlier comic book, in The Rise of Kylo Ren, they established that one of his most powerful Force powers was that he could save himself from falling large distances. So that was apparently set up in an extended universe comic he rises out he revives her you could kind of see that coming you could kind of tell that he's probably going to give his life for her and unfortunately he kisses her in this manner she kisses him once she's revived man i wish that didn't happen because this was my least favorite moment in the movie

i thought it was so corny i thought it would have been great if they just kind of had that embrace where she saw that and she expressed daisy ridley like her her acting in the scene is phenomenal because she expressed how much that meant to her him reviving her him giving his life for hers but she says ben and she fucking gives him the smooch did you hate the kiss as much as i did i did i didn't like it rob i sure as hell didn't like i also feel like like ray was in like different love truck i didn't know land all these i feel like i was like they didn't they don't you don't need to have a love interest in these movies they didn't and i feel like i'm like a beggars can't be choosers because i know

i said last week on the podcast like someone already brought it up to me because i said that i didn't like the kiss on the lights camera pod and they were like well you said last week that if they did something romantic with ray you said kylo ren made the most sense and i was like it did just the way they did it it was it didn't ruin the scene for me it didn't ruin the climax of the movie for me it didn't ruin any it wasn't ruining for me but i was just like yeah i think that's i and i and i honestly think that's going to be the you break down people's complaints of the movie which i think everyone's going to have their own little groups of complaints a lot of people are going to say that exact thing that's not the it's not

that it happened it's the way that it happened and it just you know didn't really fit the way people want every star wars movie has those moments like yes i'll be the first to admit as a last jedi stan as a last jedi defender the the mary poppin scene with princess leia it looks very bizarre every time it shows up i i love what they were going for with the scene i love that she was summoning all the force power she had left to be like fuck this I'm not ready to die yet. I enjoy all of the, eh, weird. Yeah. Now, my bigger gripe is I think Rey should have been the one to die.

And I actually, I almost texted you to go, Rob, I'm so sorry. That's what I was going to say. I'm so sorry. We discussed this last week. Ben Solo has killed billions of people. I saw people complaining about this. Never, never would I take you as a We discussed this last week. Ben Solo has killed billions of people. I saw people complaining about this. Never, never would I take you as a Ben Solo deserve better guy. No, no, no, no, no.

It's not that. It's just I think the way the stories went, Ray dying almost brings balance to it all. It's the whole Palpatine. I don't know. I just feel. And then Ben has is related to Vader and he brings balance to the force if that's what this is ending with. Again, I think this is now the Palpatine saga. It's not the Skywalker saga because the Skywalker saga, you cannot say that it goes to 789.

The Skywalker saga is 1 through 6. The end, she takes on that name. We'll get to the end in a second. Save that thought. Put it away in your brain. she takes on that name you know we'll get to the end in a second we'll save that thought put it away in your brain ben solo ben solo then dies and he becomes one with the force so at least we see that he gets the the jedi death that i'm sure leia and han would have wanted for him red five then takes off they say oh red five's in the air know that Rey is alive. And we get three cuts of different planets thriving all throughout the galaxy.

Poe says people are rising up all throughout the galaxy. And we see Jakku. We see the Star Destroyer that we saw from The Force Awakens. You know, one going down right next to it. We see Cloud City. Little shout out to Lando being he had a little shine in this movie. And we see the forest moon of Endor. We see Wicket the Ewok with, I don't know maybe uh Wicket Jr being there's so much legacy going on in these movies uh really really cool to see the Ewoks the other two I was like give or take

I actually wish we could have gotten more like I wish we could have gotten Naboo or maybe somewhere from the prequels or I don't know just Just giving us those three seemed a little weird to me. But I love seeing the Ewoks, so fuck it. First of all, I wish we saw my guy Lobot when we went to Clowmig. We're in fucking Best Me. Let's just show Lobot. If it was like him looking out a window watching it, that would have been sick. Lobot the Liberator.

He's fucking taking care of business. This is almost – I think it's almost a victim of being the third final movie of these trilogies or it's like you had not only did you have the original trilogy but then you had the special editions where they're going around everywhere then you have i guess they don't really celebrate at the end of revenge so i'm just thinking of the original return of the jedi and then obviously sort of phantom menace Yes. So I – but like if this is the quote-unquote end of this – of the nine and they're not going to really stay on this line, this path, even though I'm sure there will be an episode 10 whenever Disney wants to start printing their own cash again. I wish that there was a full-blown – all right. Here are the 20 places, 10 places that really pull a heart strings for you and you know you mix in a

couple characters or a couple little cameos that would have been cool i did feel kind of random like hey listen i love cloud city diehard bespin guy felt kind of weird it felt random i'm with you it felt random there's a massive massive celebration then on Agen Kloss, that resistance-based planet. Chewie gets a medal here. Maz Kanata gives Chewie the Han medal. This was my favorite little, you know, nod to the fans. Obviously, Chewie doesn't get one at the end of A New Hope, and for 40-plus years now, people have been like, why the fuck didn't Chewie get the medal? He finally gets his medal. There's a weird moment between Lando and Janna where he sits down next to her and he's like, where are you from? And let's go find out.

Fucking strange. Apparently in an early draft of the movie, and they even filmed scenes for it and cut it out, Janna was Lando's daughter and she was pulled away from Lando, put onto the First Order, whatever, and they had wound up cutting that this line makes me believe like they're gonna do a disney plus show with those two or something but i can't see billy d williams being down for that i don't know did you think that was strange i thought that was i have that uh that was like the first i was like that was the first note i wrote when i was there like lando let's find out what the because i i because he's a little too suave to be dropping that line to where like i'm sure some people left the theater being like, was he trying to fuck that girl?

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. It was like he's either trying to fuck her or that's his daughter or both because he's Wando. I actually go to my brother and I don't talk during these movies often. I just look and I go, what the fuck was that? That was so – and it's almost like forgetting to edit the Starbucks cup out of Game of Thrones. It's like that had no place being in the movie. Yeah, if you're going to not make them father-daughter, don't put that in the movie. I guess – but maybe they're going to do the Disney Plus show.

At the same time, nothing against Chana. Her character is cool. I don't want that Disney Plus show. I'm not interested in that. There's also a kajillion other words in the English language he could have said to her that was not let's find out. And he's a little sexual Lando. Like, it's just weird. It just made me feel gross, too.

Because I also was like, I thought they were going with the daughter angle, too. So I thought he was going to say somehow that he was her father. And then I'm like, God damn it. Like, it's just I did not feel very good after that all came out so I'm I'm actually happy you brought that up because I was right there with you man yeah no they make up for it though because Rey comes down on the x-wing and she has this hug with Poe and Finn that just felt so much like it was Daisy Ridley hugging Oscar Isaac and John Boyega and then being like,

we fucking made it to the end of this thing. We've been together through the whole thing. They're all crying. They're all teary eyed. And that for me, I was like, that's the perfect ending to this trilogy. Like it, hate it, whatever, however you may feel as a guy who loves it. That was like, those were like my heroes coming together and hugging and as daisy ridley is coming in or as ray's coming in on the x-wing 3po actually looks up and he says the line did you hear that that is the first line spoken by 3po in a new hope and the last line spoken by him in the rise of skywalker so jj you know it's like poetry. It rhymes. Literally made that rhyme. We fade to black and we fade back up onto, I thought of you immediately.

Because we get a sandcrawler and we actually hear a Jawa say, Utini! And I was like, oh, those are Clem's dudes down there. Rey takes the Falcon back down to Tatooine, down to the Lars homestead. She surfs down on a piece of scrap metal to the over, I don't know, I don't want to say overgrown because it's a sand planet. But there's a bunch of sand over where the Lars homestead is. Nobody's been there for a long time. You could tell that it's been abandoned.

She buries both skywalker sabers right outside and she looks up she ignites a new lightsaber the lightsaber she was building earlier on it's yellow which i love that was like fuck yeah we're getting a new lightsaber color it's made of her staff she used her staff to make the saber and there's an old lady with like a camel looking alien she says who are you there's been old lady with like a camel-looking alien. She says, who are you? There's been nobody for so long. And of course, Rey says, I'm Rey. She looks off to the distance, and the lady says, Rey who? And she sees Luke Skywalker and Princess Leia.

Leia in the white robe, you know, from A New Hope. I thought that was such an awesome touch. And she looks at the lady and delivers the line, Rey Skywalker. What this was all leading up to, the last of the Palpatines turning down the Palpatine lineage, the Palpatine legacy, and taking on the Skywalker name. Rey looks out to the binary sunset,

the twin sons of Tatooine with the twin Skywalkers behind her, and we call it a saga. What did you think of the ending? Were you a fan of ray taking on the name i know you're calling this the palpatine saga but in my mind it's the ultimate fuck you to sheave and it's the ultimate ending to the saga for me i was all right with it i i didn't i don't really feel one way or the other i the woman just seemed weird i i wish they i don't she just seemed like a crazy lady that was like just lost in the desert. So it was like – I'm like, where are we here?

What are we doing? And she's burying – I didn't really – I didn't really love it. I did like going back obviously and making the piece and it comes full circle especially with – I almost felt like Tatooine had to be like minus 1,000 in Vegas for where they would end the saga. It just felt like a lock. All three trilogies now have had that sunset moment, you know? Yeah, exactly. I don't really feel one way or the other about the Skywalker. To be honest, if we're going to be perfectly blunt about it,

Chewie getting the medal was basically the highlight of the last 10 minutes for me. I was like, yes! And then someone's like, do you think they just gave him Leia's medal? It's like, oh, she's dead. Just give it to Chewie. And I was like, oh, man.

No, somebody said it's Han's. him like leia's medal it's like oh she's dead just give it to chewie and i was like no somebody said it's hans it's definitely hans metal because in again in in a comic apparently chewie did get a medal for that mission like years afterwards but he was finally given hans in this one or something like that they always they always begin to cross wires with the comics and whatnot my my brain was also and i you've seen it three times you know better than me so ray i'm also like i'm trying to figure it out uh like you know ray she has the light and the dark and i was also hoping that remember i said i thought the rise of skywalker was going to mean the rise of instead of being a jedi or a sith skywalker meant you were both you were little in the light and the dark side do you see this for the bot i feel like she might have a double

edged lightsaber and the part we see is the light and then maybe down the road we'll see a dark version of the lightsaber and she has a little fucking so i i didn't watch that i thought we were gonna get a double bladed saber at the end i was shocked that it wasn't double bladed yellow saber but i was okay with it i thought it it was cool that it felt like maybe she is moving on with something new. It's not the traditional Jedi blue or green. It's not the Sith red. It's something new. It's yellow.

So I liked that. That's the whole movie. We spent a long time going through this. We got just a couple questions. Jimothy was the first one to write in. We sort of answered this already, but this was the most frequent question we got from everybody. What the fuck was Finn trying to tell Rey? JJ has confirmed now it's that he was force sensitive. I don't think we've seen the

last of Finn. I think we'll, we'll catch up with him later because now they're saying, you know, we're leaving the door open to see more of these characters, you know, not in the Skywalker saga, but down the line. Jack Reagan said, how does Rey have Luke's saber after it was destroyed in the last Jedi? Are we just supposed to assume she scooped up the pieces and reassembled it? I feel like they should have done a better job of explaining that. That's another thing that we sort of covered on the podcast, but yeah, I think we are supposed to just accept that. That's one of the things that, I don't know. They'll cover that at some point. They really, they try to, if you're new to the Star Wars universe, which a ton of people are.

A ton of people said that this podcast got them into listening to or watching Star Wars, which fucking shout out to us, Bob Iger. If you're listening, if you're out there listening again, put us on the payroll. We're bringing people to the franchise. But yeah, you're basically going to get every stitch, every question that you've ever had. They'll fill it in with a comic, a video game, a miniseries, a television show, a cartoon. They'll do it. Chappy says, will there be more Star Wars movies? I assume he means episode 10, 11, 12, because of course there will be more sp wars movies i assume he means episode 10 11 12 because of course there

will be more spinoffs and whatnot i say yes i say without a shadow of a doubt in 10 12 maybe 15 years i think clem and i will be at star wars celebration we'll be at a panel and on that same emperor type crane they're gonna they're gonna wheel out like a zombified version of the 1977 George Lucas. And they're going to be like, great news. We got this guy. His brain's back. It's the 1977 version. And here's our most recent teaser trailer for our new movie.

Check it out. And it will be like a shot of the sand and then somebody digging up the skywalker sabers and it's like a new generation arises fucking episode 10 yes and i will come myself i'll be all in i mean here's the thing even if you didn't like these movies they introduced star wars to like legitimately so many more people you know the kids of the next generation. I certainly hope that in 10 to 15 years, another generation gets to live through the Skywalker saga through three more episodes. So I'm all for more fucking episodes. Give it time. Definitely give us at least a decade to breathe.

But yeah, do 10, 11, and 12. I don't give a fuck. Yeah, I'm expecting if it was like maybe any other company but Disney. But like Disney just remakes. fuck yeah i'm i'm expecting if it was like maybe any other company but disney but like disney just remake if it's not sequels they just do live versions of the movies now like they do not stop making the same shit they don't really you know stray too much once they know something works they follow that formula and you know frozen 2 mulan live action all that and it's all they're doing now episode 10 is coming. So like everything you're mad about, this is how they wrapped up 9.

Don't worry. Whenever 10 comes out, it'll just make all that other shit null and void. So that's kind of. Guess what? Great news. New Mandalorian episode next week. If you're pissed about this, guess what? You got more Star Wars content next week, motherfucker.

They're pumping it out. They're giving it to you. We got a few more questions, but looking through them, we really have answered the rest of them in doing the podcast. We're probably at like, we're approaching three hours,

I would assume at this point. Clem, if you would like to announce, I'll throw the floor to you. Our podcast for Friday, we haven't even mentioned this. We got a special Christmas episode for the people, though, so tell them.

One of the longest, if not, it's almost one of the most tired debates at this point is basically the Sith versus the Jedi. Is Die Hard a Christmas movie? So instead of debating that

for hours, we just watched Die Hard. We did a commentary, like we did for Endgame and Half of Infinity War before we lost it. And we did it for end game and half of infinity war before we lost it and uh we just had some fun we had some you threw some fun facts in there we just shooting the shit so if anyone just you're on christmas break you want to just watch die hard and you don't have to watch you honestly don't even have to watch the movie you could just listen

to just people bullshit it's sort of just like a podcast about the franchise pretty much and your fandom of die hard because die hard is your number one movie ever number one people know that number one with a bullet it's honestly not even close i don't even like two through five i could probably the day of the week it could change die hard is number one with a ball and that's another movie that they've just completely butchered the franchise with the newer ones but it's like that's my original trilogy that is my baby i love it with all my heart despite all the other bullshit that you go through there so um yeah we got a it's like another two hours what was it like two hours yeah two plus hours i think two back-to-back weeks where we're doing marathon

man podcasts we're coming to the end of the year here as well and i just gotta throw a shout out to my main man clem here for basically co-hosting the podcast. I keep saying like you are, but at this point you pretty much are. You're on every week breaking down the Mandalorian. I appreciate you making the time for the show for the basement dwellers every week, even though that probably shouldn't be the name for our listeners. It's a little discriminatory towards them, but I really appreciate it. Hope everyone out there has an awesome Christmas, safe Christmas. Hope you see the rise of Skywalker a thousand times if it