My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 411 - CAPTAIN AMERICA: BRAVE NEW WORLD REVIEW (SPOILERS)

Episode Date: February 14, 2025

Robbie and Clem recap and review #CaptainAmericaBraveNewWorld just hours after seeing it on opening day! We break down the story, performances, what this means for the future of Marvel, and more! Spoilers are on the table from the jump, so make sure you don't watch this if you're concerned about that sorta thing! ****************************************   My Mom's Basement is a weekly podcast hosted by Robbie Fox, started in March 2019, to discuss movies, music, comic books, wrestling, mixed martial arts, and more with his friends and idols alike!   Subscribe on Rumble: https://rumble.com/c/MyMomsBasementWithRobbieFox Subscribe on iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/my-moms-basement/id1457255205 Follow Robbie on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thatrobbiefox Follow Robbie on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RobbieBarstool My Mom's Basement Merchandise: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/my-moms-basementYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mymomsbasement

Hey, My Mom's Basement listeners, you can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Hello and welcome to My Mom's Basement, a very special Captain America Brave New World Review edition of My Mom's Basement. It is Robbie Fox and Clem and we just got home from the movies. We literally saw the first showing we could at the Alamo Drafthouse up in Yonkers. We met at a good halfway point between me and Clem north of the wall and I don't know what you would call Jersey, the armpit of America, whatever you want to call it. I don't approve of that but that's what people call it. Geez Bob, I wasn't gonna say it. Listen, I like being self deprecating.

That's the thing about us Jersey kids, we're able to do that. But we saw the first showing we could we got right back home we hopped in the basement and I think we said in our preview video which we did like a preview post recap video as well the instant recap you could check that on the channel we went in hoping for the best prepared for the worst and this movie falls somewhere in the middle of those two things. Yes. I saw someone say I think the perfect review for this movie. Okay, is aggressively mid.

Yeah, it's we went in with low expectations, right? There were reviews all over the place the night that the embargo lifted. There were great reviews, they were horrible reviews, they were very mid reviews. I blogged all of them being like, I don't really know what to believe. The Rotten Tomatoes score comes out this morning, 48%. And you're like, oh, but again, Rotten Tomatoes, you don't know what to believe. We were talking about it on the way to the movies. If you want to believe Rotten Tomatoes, Shang-Chihi is a 92 way better than Infinity War. It's one of the best movies in the MCU. It's fucked up That's crazy that shot and she got us and these are two guys that I think liked it

I haven't watched it since I've been urged to but I did like some cool stuff they did in it but then this kind of comes back to The and you're the one who saw I believe a tweet but the whole thought of that people were were nicer or easier on the MCU before end game because I think Thor had a 67th or two. Thor the Dark World yeah 67 fresh which is mostly the most people consider that the worst Marvel movie. Iron Man 3, I think, out of 72, which is the worst of the Iron Man movies. Fresh, I mean, Ant-Man and the Wasp, not Quantumania, just Ant-Man and the Wasp, has an 87, which

if that came out today, I think would have a score comparable to Captain America Brave New World. And you might say that's because we're used to it now. So like we expect Marvel to evolve. I think that's a decent take as well. But the Rotten Tomatoes score, you just can't believe. But it did lower our expectations, I would say, going in.

We were kind of like, this could be bad. We left the movie being like, it wasn't that bad. I will say in the hour or two hours, whatever it been since we left the theater the more I think about it I think the less I like it which breaks my heart a little bit to say as a cat fan But I truly didn't hate it. I do think it's a good movie. I feel comfortable saying it's a good movie It's not great, but it's enjoyable enough If you're an MCU fan if you're not a die-hard MCU fan, I would imagine this movie does nothing for you. Okay, so this is I think a disconnect we're gonna have and I just think it's a disconnect

on our language. Because you said this in the video where we're talking, you're like it's a good movie, you're like Black Widow, it's a good movie, it's kind of, it's above the Black Widow line, which I think is a good way to put this in people's heads. That's the closest movie I think I would compare it to. Like in the terms of how it felt, the quality, the performances, like I felt like those two were on a similar playing field.

Honestly, I would put this somewhere between like Black Widow and Ant-Man and the Wasp. I would say it's not as good as Ant-Man and the Wasp, but it's better than Black Widow, somewhere in that range. So this is the thing, the G word. You keep saying good. Yeah. And then you said great.

And this is actually a random take I have for sports. I don't like when people say, this guy is a great player when he's a good player. And that happens a lot. I feel like we've lost the, the word great has lost its meaning, which that means the word good loses its meaning because it's less than great and then average and so forth, but more so

great and then when great isn't being held to the high standard. Endgame is a great movie, right? Great. Phenomenal. Infinity War. Great movie. I didn't say Iron Man 1. Great movie. Of course. Pick your favorite Marvels, right? Yeah. I mean, honestly, I would say the three fucking Captain America movies before this one. But then it's like good. I don't think Black Widow

is good, right? But I think you could say there's... Really? No. I don't think so. I don't think we've really had much good since Endgame, which is, again, I do think, like you said, a lot of those reviews before Endgame and they're like, all right, Marvel, you are now held to a higher standard than you were beforehand. And I think that's a part of it. So yeah, the more I think of this movie, the more I realize I will never rewatch it, which I don't rewatch a lot of the newer ones. That's fine This is my question to you all things considered. Would you say this? Was better than the show or worse than the show? Oh, that's a good question I was actually thinking imagine this was released on Disney Plus. I think we would all be like, holy fuck

This is awesome, which isn't like that's not saying much. Yeah, but like I was thinking that I would say this was, it might be, I would say it's better than the show. I was gonna say it might be less memorable than the show because the show had moments like the John Walker flag smash and it had so much more time to let these things breathe. This movie was kind of one thing to the next. And one of my big issues with this movie is it doesn't feel smash and it had so much more time to let these things breathe. This movie was kind of one thing to the next.

And one of my big issues with this movie is it doesn't feel like Sam Wilson had any character development. Like he didn't go from one place to another. If you were to say what was his arc, I think it's realizing he is worthy of the Steve Rogers mantle without the super serum, which is his exact arc in Falcon and the Winter Soldier. They just like repeated a couple beats and we'll get into spoilers, right? Spoilers for the whole movie at this point. Don't continue watching if you want something spoiled because I'm about

to spoil something. That conversation with Bucky, the cameo, we got one nice cameo and I enjoyed that. We mentioned on the ride over, I said, I would really like for Bucky to even be in a quick scene here because he's been in every other Captain America movie. I liked that scene, but that scene was just like a five minute recap of the show in a way, right? And it gets a little corny and they call out the corniness of the like, hey, would Beach Rider do that? But it was like, Oh, but a lot of this

movie, the first 1015 minutes, especially is recapping stuff. The first 1015 minutes, I was really worried. And I think that might have like the fact that the movie got so much better than it started might also contribute to me leaving and more of a good mood than I thought I would be in. I would say I was slightly disappointed by Captain America Brave New World. I had a good time at the movies though because I love seeing the MCU progress. It's going to take a lot like an Ant-Man and the Wasp quantumania

for me to leave like in a really bad mood. So I'm not, obviously I'm not the best judge you guys know. If you're listening to My Mom's Bas at this point you're like Robbie we fucking know you're the positive guy. Like I know that but yeah it does I saw reviews saying it felt like a really high budget episode of the TV show and I I can see that it kind of feels like this was the big finale this was the bonus episode. Yes this was our bonus episode. The first 20 minutes or so felt like the TV show high budget,

whatever you want to say. It's like, oh, we got Harrison Ford in it now. Uh I'm happy you brought up quantumania because you texted me before we went live. You said when our you said that was exactly 2 years ago, 2 years ago today. I'll show the picture right now if you're watching on the

The YouTube feed I texted this to Clem Look at those happy faces Posing in front of a John of the majors poster with our giant Ant-Man tickets. We're like, oh my god This is about to kick off the Kang era. Here we go. We left that disheveled We were absolutely we needed consoling after that. So I think maybe, you know, as you're saying, I think leaving this just in a better mood is it like, all right, I don't think anyone's leaving this being like the MCU is doomed in the way that they were then. I think they might be leaving this being like, yeah,

the MCU is like treading water. I think Clemmer texted me that. He said, does it feel like it's treading water? I said, yeah, I think if you're not a diehard MCU fan, it probably does feel like that. That's the perfect way to describe it. And I actually think that is the big takeaway from this movie. It's fine.

I mean, we had like hashtag, please don't suck before we went into the movie. Yeah, and it didn't suck, right? At the end we said hashtag, it didn't and listen suck is reserved for like the worst of the worst like the way Secret Invasion where it's like it's a quantumania even where I guess the expectations had a maybe we're just getting better at like being ready for this because quantumania when the lights went on was the first time I think we ever bullshit Didn't like that because usually I can get the positive side of Robbie And then if it's something good like Deadpool we're like yes, they fucking nailed it

Leaving the theater that night feeling that was yeah Yeah, but this movie in particular and you kind of alluded to with Captain America It's like I would have liked some more progression where it's like, all right, now we're on the next part of this, I don't know if it was a phase or just, just get us to they just want to get us to Avengers at this point and just get us through there. But it's like, we didn't even drive anywhere. We just basically like went on a little Disney ride, went in a circle. There was a couple cool things, which was basically the Red Hulk. Let's be honest. And then we got

off the ride and we're back to where we were two hours prior for better or worse. That's just what it was. And I think you do that for a Shang Chi movie. You do that for a Black Widow movie. That's like a flashback because obviously RIP in peace my dog is it I guess it's my my bitch my bitch Natasha Ramadolphe or is it I guess yeah, I mean it's my bitch, my bitch, Natasha Romanoff? Or is it dog? I guess, yeah. I mean, I would go dog. I would go dog. I would go dog, okay, fair enough.

Yeah. I did see someone had a funny comment. We watched the Jurassic World Rebirth trailer before this and there was a comment online when they go dangling over the cliff and she's got the rope and it's like, I bet she wished she had that rope in the MCU. Oh, you too. Still too, and it's like I bet she wished she had that rope in the MCU.

Still too soon but like I'm saying though Shang-Chi, Black Widow, stuff like that. I could live with like kind of just like hey this is the character and we're just going to do a circle. Cap this is you know the first Avenger we need this guy. I wanted him to push the whole universe forward even if it was just a little or even give us Signs just the first push. Yes. It was the tush push one yard. That's all But it's a yard nonetheless. I'm not asking for a touchdown, you know tush push I'm asking for a first down tush push at like midfield, right? Yeah, and I feel like they they just didn't do it They turn the ball over on down was this one was it was it a turnover was this like it got snapped and it looked like the QB was about to be Sacked seven times and he eventually got up to no loss of yards and we're at the same exact spot

We were before and now it's like maybe it's fourth down or maybe it's third down now You know what to continue this analogy they call timeout before it was snapped. He didn't get it But they all timeout so they still have a chance and look because it could have been worse. It definitely, definitely, definitely could have been worse. And especially knowing what they dealt with in real life, which they dealt with in Falcon and the Winter Soldier COVID. In this one, they dealt with having to basically cut out like an Israeli superhero, super soldier, Sabra, I think her name was. I had to look that up because I didn't even remember it from the movie. She's such a inconsequential part of the movie.

It feels like they cut her character out of it. So like, I know they had to do reshoots and clearly they added stuff in reshoots as well. Jean-Carlo Esposito, his entire part felt like it was added in reshoots. I think it was, and it felt entirely inconsequential. It was, he's good in it because he's good in everything but there's nothing memorable he says or does in the movie really. It's just it feels like a weird role for all of

these years of fan casts. Maybe you don't want to give him Professor X or Dr. Doom. But Sidewinder in this movie he didn't he didn't really do anything. Yeah. And that's the thing is here so how so many people like revered him After the whole gust spring arc i'm breaking bad And I feel like people are just trying to make it and i've said this about him in mando in mando, too Kind of stinks like it's like such a cool actor I guess I like him in mando. I like moth gideon. I know I but I'm killing him

I'm bringing it back a bunch with silly but like I like him as moth Gideon. I know I but I'm killing him and bringing it back a bunch was silly But like I like him as Moth Gideon and this one was just a big fat nothing burger for me And I yeah, it was just it was weirdly inconsequential like you said nothing burger. It wasn't bad wasn't good and that's Unfortunately, that's a lot of this movie. It's like I feel like I like it cuz I know I'm biased But I'm really trying to be unbiased I'm trying to start to get a little better cuz I know people are like yeah Your word means nothing Robbie you fucking like all this shit. I do put on my letterbox They say I like most most movies

Especially if there's lightsabers or superheroes in them you can't stop a golden retriever from being a If Robbie you ring the doorbell Robbie's coming his doils wagon. He's licking you and he's just happy to see it That's when Marvel rings the door when star wars rings the door. That's coming his doilswag and he's licking you and he's just happy to see you that's when Marvel rings the door when Star Wars rings the door that's very true honestly that's how I feel every time and it might be like not every time you know someone comes in who didn't treat me very well I might still be excited and then but but then I forget you know it's like oh shit I'm so excited then I like that again yeah that's basically Jurassic World Park whatever you want to call it, right?

Yeah. Oh, we turn to each other. We were like, oh, here we go. And then they end it with the John Williams music and we're like, we'll be there. It's so fucked up. But we're also saying this as people that do a podcast and like not just about the movies or the shows, but, you know, previews and, you know,

talking about all the news. And it's like, we have been let down so much times. And you said it like our first podcast together was for Endgame. And it feels like we're Tony Soprano where we got in just as the good days were ending. And it's like, we've been so beaten down. We've had a few ups for sure.

But man like- And the ups feel great. And I'm sure it's like, you know, to continue the sports analogies, if you're a Washington commanders fan, say a lot of downs and when you get the ups, they just feel amazing. That was guardians three for us. That was Spider-Man no way home for us. Or even this year we had Deadpool Wolverine, like you mentioned, like we've had some huge ups, and we have had some big downs, but for the most part we've

had these where it's like, all right, what do you got next? All right, what do you got next for us? Every movie kind of leads me feeling like that and they're not really connecting. You said if you even want to call this a phase, I agree with that. It feels weird how disconnected things are and how spread out things are. The fact that we can get right into the post credit scene here, the fact that this was the post credit scene for the last time we're going to see the leader of the Avengers before the next Avengers movie is insane. How do you not have him meet at least one new Avenger we haven't seen him

on screen with before? How easy is that? Plop him in a fucking warehouse somewhere, an aircraft carrier would make sense with the character, right? Have him meet Shang Chi, have him talk to Dr. Strange, do the mid credit scene where the leader tells him this, he tells him threats are coming. It's an, again, kind of a nothing burger. And then do the post credit scene where he informs the other Avengers, hey, I think we got to start strapping up. Like, it was just frustrating for me to watch that post credit scene and have it be fine. Yeah, and I used a credit after.

I used the app after credits. And it tells you not just, obviously, Marvel. It was in any movie. There's mid credits and post credits. And it's the perfect way to, am I going to sit here for 10 minutes looking at names or not? And I saw, they tell you if they have one or both. And then it'll give what the audience said

in terms of approval, if it was worth it, basically. And it was at 67% approval rating. And I've seen 90% for something that's not even that great. And I said, 67, that is not a good sign. This isn't Rotten Tomatoes here. This one I trust a little bit more than the Rotten Tomatoes meter. And I have to say they lived up to it if he had even said the others are coming and then we get a frame of some one of the

others if it's a multiversal thing if it's a outer space thing an alien thing some sort of whatever it may be. Dude show us a green curtain zoom in on a green curtain and we're gonna go, it's Dr. Doom's cape. And we leave like coming ourselves. It's so simple to please Marvel fans in that moment. Post credit scene should be the easiest thing. And that's a weird thing that they've fumbled in this phase for a lot of posts. They just keep introducing these characters where we're like, are they ever gonna follow up on that?

Are we ever gonna see Roy Kent as Hercules again? We ever gonna see Charlize Theron? Are we ever gonna see Roy Kent as Hercules again? We're gonna see Charlize Theron And are we ever gonna see harry styles and blorgo or whatever his fucking little gnomes name was Dude, it's so funny too because this movie a huge part of it is the celestial the thing that yeah ignored for years now And then it was a huge point of it which listen everyone was saying how the fuck has nobody mentioned that giant creature coming out of the ground yeah they did it they made it a huge thing and then it's just kind of like it happened it had adamantium and it was like the center of a potential war. I really thought they were gonna land on it at some point we were going to see them mining the adamantium or some shit it's really it's truly a backdrop for a battle and and i kind of like the way they use it in terms

of like i like the idea of the it in terms of like, I like the idea of the government squabbling over it and the leader being able to use the adamantium to pit Japan and the United States against each other. I actually thought some of that stuff was well done. The writing wasn't strong across the board, but I thought that was fine. It was just like, I don't know, you're going to use that as a backdrop the first time you finally acknowledge it. I also was holding out hope that they were gonna have like a meta joke in that moment when Harrison Ford's given the presentation He's like and for years we've done what we always do we squabbled it over it or whatever I was hoping he was gonna say we ignored it

I thought that would have been so funny and like they do the meta mustache joke, you know That was another thing the humor in this movie, I would say it was like 50-50 landing for me. And that's a tough hit rate because I'm pretty easy with Marvel humor, I think. But I will say the stuff that landed landed well. I think- Yeah, there were some good jokes, for sure. The Cap and Falcon have a good relationship

and it was a very like, I said it kind of felt like Ant-Man kind of jokes and kind of the kind of rapport that they had which is good. Every time Ant-Man was mentioned I laughed they had some good Ant-Man mentions. The Ant-Man stuff was was really good as well so but there was some humor that was just like nope this just swatted away kind of a thing. A lot of this stuff in the opening fight scene, like that first 10 minutes we talked about being choppy,

I didn't love the like Sam Wilson getting hit and being like, oh man, I can do this one second. It just seems so like cliche Marvel to me. That's the stuff people make jokes about Marvel doing. So that I was rolling my eyes out a little bit. You know, what would have been a good arc and listen, I don't know if this would be like blasphemy because of the comics or this and that. Like, how about someone just fucking stuck his fucking ass with a super serum syringe, and he has to like, live with like, I don't want this but I have it. That's the other thing. I would be different. I mean, you have the perfect person like you could have had Ross demand that exactly. If you're gonna work together,, boom. He'd be conflicted and it's not something he even did. It literally was just like forced upon him.

I think that would have been a cool thing with the character. And then at the end when he's like, he's under the rocks. I'm like, this motherfucker should be dead. He's a normal human being. And I can't, maybe it's like, I shouldn't really like, I should suspend belief or disbelief or whatever the phrase is. But with him, it's like, it always comes back in my mind like I'm like this is cap

Oh wait He doesn't have the super serum and he should be fucking dead ten times over that was funny as we were in the theater Clem just said to me he's like I think he should just take the super soldier see him or maybe it was on the drive Yeah, I don't know why he doesn't and we talked about it like John Walker had the roid rage Steve Rogers No side effects. It seems like if you're a good person Super soldier serum can do nothing but good to you I liked his joke in the end for the battle where he was like fuck you is fucking bullshitting me I should have taken a serum. That was good, but it's like he's realizing like yeah, dude, it's

True that you give people something to aspire to not just something to believe in I liked that line I felt very Stan Lee to me But just take the serum at this point, dude You're gonna have to go up against holes here and aliens and multiversal threats and the leaders telling you Hey, dude, like you're just nerfing yourself for no reason. I Maybe like they're setting us up for Doomsday when like read Richard someone's like yo put some fuck like In your ass we need a man. We need a captain

It's gonna look like a 1980s WWF locker room and they're gonna be passing needles around the Avengers are gonna be like Sam We're coming you're coming with the space with us, you're doing some super soldier serum. By the way, I did some super soldier serum today. I forgot to put the video in our instant reaction recap on YouTube, so I'm gonna put it in the podcast. I tried the Alamo Drafthouse special mocktail. It had no alcohol in it.

I didn't realize it had Red Bull in it, so I did like an energy drink, drink. It was the super soldier serum. I ordered it and the server, I'm not gonna trash her, but she was like the super, oh yeah, the super spider serum, sure. Oh, that was, I heard that and I was like, Bob, Robbie's not gonna like that.

That's not canon. That is just not canon. But it was a lime drink and it was green. How weird is that? How do you not make it blue, I said. Is that Marvel copyright? Is that like George Lucas gonna sue somebody? Is that like Kevin Feige going to sue somebody? I don't know.

Maybe. But like, would you be like, honestly, in this era of the MCU, I could have seen them like make a Marvel drink themselves and it not have been the right color because they multiverse color that seems to be the cover up for everything. Multiverse. They're like, oh, we hired this great mixologist who has never seen a Marvel movie in his life and doesn't read the comic books. That's who we had in charge of all this shit.

We told him to stay away from the comics actually till he had his own creative vision, a secret invasion. So I'll put that video in right here. Also featuring bonus Clem Arnold-Palmer review. Here you go. Oh yes. All right, we're mid pre-show. Clem got an got an Arnold Pommy and I've got the super soldier serum, which is a lime drink. I thought it would be blue Line drink is non-alcoholic has Red Bull tropical Liber and co ginger syrup and lime juice

Um, Liber and Co, ginger syrup, and lime juice. I like lime juice. Honestly, I didn't realize I had red bull and I'm doing an energy drink. It's mid-afternoon though, it'll wake me up, get me ready for this. Super Soldier syrup, here we go. How do you not make it blue? Here we go. Oh, it's good. I was worried it would be too like sweet or citrusy. It's good. I might be, who knows, leaving this movie looking like Chris Evans I know it looks better before you mix it. All right drink review from you as well

Okay appreciate that. This, I didn't give a score. I'm going ball scale, which we own the IP to. I gotta go ball scale. 4.05 ball scale. Yeah, I would go, I would actually go like 3.8 ball scale. All right, feel that energy coursing?

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What if you're a super soldier? What if you are one of these guys, 110 years old, 110 years later? That was a great line. I liked that line when Sabra was kind of like, oh, he was taller than I expected. He had a good smile, too. His figure was looking good. Sam is just like he's 110. That is when I think this movie was at its best, is when they were

going into comic references, they had other characters. That is when I think this movie was at its best, is when they were going into comic references, they had other characters. That is when I was happy. It was some of the action stuff, some of the explanations of how you know, the conflicts I didn't love and then the resolutions I didn't love and it just like up and we're done here and we're gonna move along to the next scene. But anytime there was something that like brought the books in I felt fucking good or just you reference the movie the buggy said the Bucky cameo It wasn't really all that important, but it was like oh, I like it. Yeah. Yeah now we didn't get anything with Sharon though Nothing with the fucking power broker. What are you saving the power broker for like the power bro like This also a lot of the stuff we can go I think it would be good to go like kind of character by character and talk about them but the fact that we have Samuel Stearns the leader and Thaddeus Ross and you're doing a Betty Ross thing it almost feels like they like remembered that the Incredible Hulk was a movie it was like they found these toys behind a dresser you know they weren't in the bin They fell behind the dresser and they were like, oh shit. We have these action figures

We could play with these like very strange to follow up on that 18 years later or 16 years later Whatever it is and I mean, I don't know how many people saw it, right? And then how many people remember how many people liked it. I just wish there was another way they could have brought that. I, it was tough. I did not, I just didn't like it. I didn't like it. Let's go character by character here.

Sam Wilson, Captain America, we mentioned no character development. They repeated some of the beats from the show. I think he is very likable in this role and he feels so comfortable as Sam Wilson. Anthony Mackie does. Like he seems like he snaps into this. It might just be an extended version of himself, like wrestling style.

Like Anthony Mackie turned up to 11 as Sam Wilson and also like, I don't know, you know, more morality or he's a figure to aspire to be whatever, but he's great in the role and I loved every scene between him and Harrison Ford. That was like kind of serious. I thought that's where the movie was at its best for me. The scene in the beginning where he tells him he wants to reform the Avengers. That was kind of like got my heart racing a little bit when he said that I was like oh shit. Afterwards when the assassination attempt happens and he's like I know Isaiah Bradley didn't do that and everyone else is

not everyone, but Sabra and Harris Ford in the room are like, we just watched it happen, asshole. What the fuck do you think? What do you think the optics of this? Captain America should let his fucking buddy out of jail? That was such a good scene in my mind because I agreed with both characters.

It was like, I see where you're both coming from. And then even this stuff later on between them when they're in the battle outside of the fucking Celestial and they're talking to each other in there I was like, I see where you're both coming from. And then even the stuff later on between them when they're in the battle outside of the fucking Celestial and they're talking to each other in there and each other's face and they don't like each other at that point. I thought they were great together.

And I also loved him with Danny Ramirez playing Joaquin Torres. Like their romance, bromance, whatever you wanna call it. I love not romance, obviously. I was gonna say, wait, is there more I'm about to find out? It's Valentine's day, right? It's Valentine's Week. Which we said they should have also leaned into that way more. They're releasing on Valentine's Day. They should have done bromance marketing.

They should have had box of chocolate shaped in the Captain America shield, something with Red Hulk. The fact that you have read Valentine's Day. There was a lot of swings and misses here, but listen, I'm trying to be positive still. I loved the vibranium wings and how he used them in this movie. Badass, the way he's stabbing people with the wings. The flight scenes I thought were cool when he's got the mask on and he's fucking doing twirls.

The way Red Wing uses the shield and blocks him. He's like surfing or skateboarding on a fucking nuke at one point, or not a nuke, but a missile. Like I thought the action in this scene was pretty well done and he does some wild tricks with the shield. It almost feels like going from Steve Rogers to Anthony Mackie here with the shield itself. Like the league has evolved and the players are a little bit faster and they're doing a little bit more tricks now because oh my God, he was doing fucking kickflips with it and he was throwing it off walls here and there and bounce it off the physics.

I still love that. I love that. We're keeping up the tradition of the physics don't make sense. And they don't have to make sense. The shield's a boomerang when it has to be. And it's not when it's not. Yeah. So I like that. I also weirdly I loved his Captain America office lair. Whatever you want to call it.

You did like the office. You're like, look at that office. That's sick. Leaving the movie. That was one of my main takeaways. You're like, look at that office. That's sick. Leaving the movie, that was one of my main takeaways. I was like, I like that. He's got a cool chill pad. Yeah. I think the difference between Steve Rogers and Anthony Mackie

as Cap is watching a 1940s guy play football with the black and white. And then you're watching the fucking monsters that the Eagles were rolling out. Right? Doing the fucking jukes you know, the eagles were rolling out, right? Doing fucking jukes and twists. And I was like, oh shit, like the action I liked in this movie, for the most part, there was, you know, every now and then there was something weird with editing or whatever. But for the most part, I thought action CGI, I had no issues with. This is Steve Rogers. He plays for the Brooklyn, you know, footballers. Yeah, literally.

And then it's like Anthony Mackie is doing like Saquon hurdles backwards over people. Yes. Show the difference. So Anthony, if you were to do like a winners and losers for this movie, or just, you know, all the different stuff of the post end game MCU, I feel like Anthony Mackie is under the loser category, because I feel like he has done a good job with the role but he has had no help from Marvel from the people in charge of Joe burrow is he like the Joe burrow right now where I He's playing well, but they're not winning. I mean thing is Joe burrow He says Jamar chase and you know T Higgins when he's healthy. I don't even think Anthony Mackie has that right now

I guess I mean Mac had Harrison Ford here, you know, and he's got Biggins when he's healthy. I don't even think Anthony Mackie has that right now. I guess at Harrison Ford here, you know, and he's got Bucky Barnes when he's healthy. Yeah, and so I now can see him as Cap 2.0. He's not just Captain America, but he's like, he feels like he's a version of Cap for sure. He feels like a leading man in this movie, which I saw some people saying he didn't. I felt like he did. I felt like he was worthy of like starring here. Yeah, it's you know, maybe I'll go the NBA. But you're a guy who's your one, your two and your three. He feels like a guy who's a two that's being asked to do one.

But he does have a job where it's like I'm not like, oh, this guy, you're going to get into like, what a champion. You're going to be a big member of a big three. I see in doomsday. the you're right at is Captain Falcon. If you clip the wings, you shoot him with some super serum, you make him a fucking like super nice guy like Steve Rogers, I could maybe see it, but you keep the wings on him, which is fine. He's just Captain Falcon in our minds, but he does a good job being like a guy that you feel like would want to do the right thing. Good dude. We should take the fucking super the fact he hasn't taken the super serum. I almost respect because it is like a one guy who didn't He's like he's like a sober superhero at this point like we should give him a chip every six months and be like congratulations

You're still holding out that should be like an arc on the boys where it's like the one guy who won't take Yeah, or something like that. He just has it. He's just a strong motherfucker But yeah, I'd say all in all he came out of this movie, I think good for Anthony Mackey or yeah, I feel like I like Anthony Mackey. I just feel like they're doing him no favors. Right? Yeah. Like he always does with sexed of him.

He kind of crushes and everything, you know, even on the scenes in Falcon and the Winter Soldier where he was looking for loans and they weren't giving it to him. It's kind of a goofy thing to assume a bank wouldn't give a loan to the guy who just saved the world. But like he made me believe. He made me root for him in that moment. So Anthony Mackie, I would agree with everything you said. He might come out as a loser because he's not getting help but I still really like Anthony Mackie as Cap

and as Sam Wilson. President Thaddeus Ross Red Hulk, Harrison Ford here. I really enjoyed Harrison Ford as Ross, no surprise. I fucking love Harrison Ford. And I do think this was one of those performances did not feel like he was phoning it into me. He's got, and that's Harrison Ford. Sometimes he does phone it in, sometimes he doesn't.

This felt like he was going for it in a fun way, but it was really bittersweet. We both said it, it felt like it should have been William Hertz' time to shine. This is William Hertz' character that he developed back at 16 years ago and the Incredible Hulk And yes, he got a lot of screen time then but in the movies that followed he would just be kind of a side character He got a good amount in Civil War when he was going back and forth about the accords and Secretary of State But this should have been his movie and the Betty stuff fell flat completely for me.

Like I almost wouldn't have included Betty Ross in this movie. Maybe you could have told the story about the cherry blossoms. So you get to that Red Hulk beat at the end where he's doing it. You could have him untransformed. But bringing Liv Tyler in was kind of a waste to me. It felt it just felt weird. And again, it's partially because of the actor. And I think Harrison Ford, I'm with you.

So as a non Harrison Ford diehard Stan, who is blinded for any kind of that guy, you think he's a good pilot. You would let Harrison Ford fly you on his plane. That's how fun it is. That might be where I draw the line. I might be like Harrison, I love you, but I can't risk my life for you.

But it's just, it's tough. So it's tough that he got this role. I thought he did a good job, but it also was just like, that's not Thunderbolt Ross. And then you're then bringing, you're trying to make it emotional and you're doing a callback for a movie not a lot of people watched, not a lot of people liked.

People might've watched, I thought, I don't know, did it bomb? I don't think it bombed, but it came out the exact same summer as Ironman yeah, and I know it didn't do nearly as well as Ironman because they wanted one of them to be a hit They thought the Hulk was gonna be the hit yeah I think it was I think it was more of an afterthought that summer and like you said it's not like a beloved movie most People would put it towards the bottom of the rankings I rewatched it to do the everything you would need to know before Captain America movie. I think it's decent. It's not a great movie. This is certainly better than that movie in my mind. But it just made me appreciate the CGI.

Like looking at Red Hulk in this movie, holy shit, he looks good. Like he looked perfect. There was no Red Hulk scene where I was like, that looks a little wonky. That movie has some, I don't want to say PS2, but maybe Xbox 360 graphics. Now, and I think that was kind of the big takeaway I had for the movie as a whole is I think if we went in knowing Harrison Ford is Thunderbolt Ross, but not knowing there's a Red Hulk, I think that would have been a moment. And I think we would have assumed, you know, it would have been like that. Like when wrestling, when you know, some guys coming back, but they don't

announce it and people in the crowd already have the signs waiting for them like that would have been the feeling we got It would have been I agree with you. We would have kind of known in the back of her minds All right, it's time for Thunderbolt to become Red Hulk People yeah people for years people have been saying, when is he gonna fucking Red Hulk out? So I think people would have assumed, but like it would have been way better if we didn't know. I also liked the way they handled it in the movie as far as teasing it with the mints.

I knew right away, as soon as they show him take a mint, the second time, you're like, all right, what's going on with the mints? And they're not mints, they're pills, giving him gamma radiation over time. And that storyline I actually kind of liked because they do take Samuel Sterns, is Samuel Sterns right? Yeah, Samuel Sterns. They take him in and at the end of the Incredible Hulk because he's got the Hulk blood in him, the gamma blood in his brain and it's given him a brain mutation instead of super strength, it's given him super mind. Basically, he has unbelievable, impossible calculations

in his mind and he can figure out the statistics. Supermind. Superintelligence. He's got a supermind. Obviously, I don't have a supermind. Hey, listen, I'm guilty as it just as much as you are, if not more so. I just love when we have moments like that. Yeah, I got brain farts. I just love when we have moments like that. That was fun. Yeah, I got brain farts.

I don't got the super mind. I don't got the gamma blood in my brain. I like the storyline of him developing tech for the military with the promise of a pardon when Ross becomes president. And then when Ross doesn't, and he's obviously giving Ross pills that keep him alive as well.

They mentioned that in this movie, had heart issues. And then when he doesn't and he's obviously giving Ross pills that keep him alive as well they mentioned that in this movie had heart issues and then when he doesn't pardon him the pills start going up and up and gamma radiation and the way he makes everything dissolve I wish we got more of the leader to be honest like we got a decent amount of him more than I thought we were gonna get but they almost should have like locked in on his creepiness. I wish the leader seemed smarter instead of just the dude who says probability a lot. Like I wish we had seen- Yeah. Finish an explanation like good, real hard thing. Yeah.

Do some smart shit. Just show a couple things that just makes you seem smart and then you could say probability this, probability that and you just seem one step ahead. I just wanted more, and I would imagine that the comic book fans will be upset that the leader was kind of like lame like this. I think they might be. I think they might be upset that they didn't commit to his giant head in the comics too, and that I might be with the MCU on. I think that might have looked super silly. The goatee, even like the hair,

he's got the slick back hair. They kind of just do like warts all over his head. I thought it was a cool character design, but I'm not married to the comic design. I've never read a comic with the leader in it. I don't have nostalgia for him or anything. Which you said that Jose said that the leader and Red Hulk are both Hulk villains

and they threw in a fucking Captain America movie Which Jose was like that would be like putting like mr. Freeze and two-face in a Wonder Woman movie He was very surprised when I told him that cuz Jose He's my favorite because he's he knows more about the comics than anyone I've ever met in my entire life But he doesn't really like care about the MCU unless it really grips his attention So me telling him it was the leader. I think I think that might have been the first time he knew. He was like, whoa, the leader, what the fuck? Why would they put him in that kind of movie?

So you're talking about Captain America, Brave New World, right? Yeah, and then he was asking me about the post credits because Jose doesn't care about spoilers or anything. He just kind of wants to know where they're going. So I told him, you know, it winds up being spoiler, spoiler, spoilers, that the leader's in the raft. And he was like, oh, the raft is in the MCU. They have that in the comics. I was like, buddy, the raft has been here. We're first name basis with the raft.

Oh, we know the raft. They didn't even have to put the text on the screen. I knew I was like, that's the fucking raft. Somebody had a great line where they said the president being held the most unrealist part of this movie was a president being held liable for his actions. Yeah. They were like, yeah, we got to. He's like, you know what? I tried to kill a bunch of people and I'm just going to go to jail. And it's like, you did that? Also, here's a question. We don't know who the vice president is right like him stepping down is the vice president now the president are they keeping that a secret is that gonna be someone we know from the comics you think? I certainly hope they have fun

with it or yeah they make it worthwhile or they follow it up if it's someone Bucky Barnes running for Congress is he on the way to prez? We can have POTUS Bucky? I wouldn't hate it I wouldn't be at POTUS like ah yeah that's true we did kill an American hero and his wife listen I love a cap guy and I love to defend him I think he might not be suitable for POTUS I don't know I mean, not gonna say that. The other side characters in the movie, Joaquin Torres, Sabra, Sidewinder, we kind of touched on, didn't do a ton for me. I did like Isaiah Bradley's involvement in the movie.

I felt like the movie picked up once he joined the picture. It was Joaquin going to meet Isaiah for the first time. I said it was like a Rocky trainer scene it came off like. And I kind of liked the tease, and you knew where they were going because of the Red Hulk and the trailers and shit, of him training with Isaiah, someone with super soldier serum,

and trying to get the flags off of his waist. And doing like the flag football thing, because that's obviously how you're gonna have to fight the Hulk later on. Basically you're gonna have to be quick and ducking and diving and getting out of the way. As soon as Isaiah joined the movie, things started to smooth out and they started getting a little less recap and expositioning. I liked the White House scene, everything with the assassination.

I thought it was well done. The flashing lights, the music, I liked all that. And the scene where they put him in prison and Sam goes to visit him and he's like teary-eyed He's like I'm gonna die in here's hairs all messed up Like he hasn't even showered him days and he's like like you need to do me a favor. Don't come back He's afraid they're gonna do to you what they did to me I think like you're gonna fuck this up for yourself and the way he sees a younger version of himself and Sam and Sam sees Himself and Isaiah. I really liked all that even their final scene even the fucking scene. Oh my god

You know what broke my heart the most this just came back to me I think the most heartbreaking moment of the movie is When they're arresting Isaiah and he doesn't know what's going on and they put him on the ground and he keeps telling him Watch my suit watch my suit because that's the suit he married his Wife and his wife faith. Oh my god. I'm saying watch the suit broke my heart. Yeah, that was that was a moment I like when he got the suit on right and they're having fun. Yeah I will say that and this is like this is an admittedly a nitpick But it was someone that I was just like they said and we took a photo together. We took a photo together

We took a photo on the phone. And it was way, way, way too obvious. And that was a lot of the stuff we didn't like in the beginning. Yes. Yeah. It was the air drops not working. My phone's being wonky. Oh, you're an old, you must be an old man. Like it was a lot of just hammering us over the head with that. There's the jokes. I think we talked about it on my mom's basement at some point. Someone said that Netflix shows, they tell the writers to like actively describe what's happening in the scene so people could have it on in the background and not be watching but still understand. And it's like a little bit of the beginning of this movie felt like that. Where they were like make sure you're actively describing everything that's happening.

The audience can't follow if you're not doing that. It's like a lot, even the first, one of the first lines that Harrison Ford has, he's like, have you heard from Betty? And they're like, no. He's like, my daughter? And they're like, no. They're like, hasn't been the same since us, since you know back then.

It's like, yeah, we know. Like that's, that is surface level stuff. That's, if you don't know that, you watch the videos like the one I made. Liv Tyler, she's the elf in Lord of the Rings, if you don't know that you watch the videos like the one I made. Liv Tyler she uh she's the elf in Lord of the Rings if you don't know her like Steven Tyler's daughter and the whole time I'm waiting for her to come back waiting for her to come back I'm thinking maybe she drives in sees what's happening on the news with her dad and she talks him off the ledge and brings him down it was practically like the post credit scene where they

bring him in it was like it was such a nothing thing. And I almost think was she meant to be a secret cameo that none of us knew about happening because we all knew she was at the red carpet and announced for the movie, I think she was in the cast. But why would you announce that if that's the only thing she was doing? Why would you even call her up and bring her back? Yeah, I thought when they were talking about her in the beginning, I said, oh, shit, she's going to play a major role in all this. And just the thought of the cherry blossoms,

which was an important thing, but that had nothing to do with the actual actress. So yeah, it was tough all around. Have you ever seen Cherry Blossoms Live? I don't think so. I don't know. I've heard they are incredible, and I had plans once. They have them in New York.

Kelly Keegs goes every year. Oh, I thought she went to DC every year to see the DC ones because that's what they're known for. I think she probably has but I think there's like a botanical garden. Is that what you call it? I think there's a garden in New York where you could go and but it's like you know they're up for like 10 days or something and then they're gone. I've heard they're awesome and I want to go to DC. It will happen one, maybe this year, maybe this year. They shot this movie in DC. I was actually surprised to see that. Seemed they've cleaned up the wreckage

from the Red Bull fight. No, no chance. Michael Keaton's cleaning that up, his crew from fucking Homecoming. Were you surprised that Harrison Ford Thaddeus Rose survived this movie? I was actually stunned because it almost feels like he'll probably appear at some point. Are they gonna do World War Hulk?

And it makes sense if you're building to a crazy Hulk movie, but I was like Harrison Ford signed a multi-picture deal. I thought he was signing here to be like sure one and done to fucking wrap up this character. I don't give a fuck. This'll be how I joined the MCU. Do you think they kept him alive because Thunderbolts might have stuff to do with him? Maybe we were talking about that too like what's going on with Thunderbolts why are they called Thunderbolts I know in the comics because he puts together the team and stuff but Val's putting together this team. And maybe they're like at all?

We can't call ourselves that because he just tried to murder a bunch of people. Maybe that's the line in the trailer he's like he's fucking canceled dude we can't call ourselves. Yeah he's canceled. That would be fun going to be the red Hulk. I actually like that. Yeah, I like that. Maybe he started to put together the team like Val was working under him. Didn't feel like that, to be honest, but I don't know. Yeah, I'm not sure. I now that you said like, this would have been the time to eliminate him if he doesn't have anything to do with that or like projects in the near future, that probably would have been the move. Using Harrison Ford one and done would have sucked. However, yeah, you said it perfectly too. When he's doing his press stuff and he's actually being positive and they had the line where he was

like, how could you read you feel silly acting like the red hole? He goes, that's what the money is for. So good. I was such a great like it's like the red hole? He goes, that's what the money is for. That's so good. That was such a great, what did he say? It's like magic. Yeah. He goes, it's not magic. It's commerce. Harrison Ford was having fun on this press tour. I think he likes Anthony Mackie.

I think Harrison Ford from watching so many interviews with him over the years, his enjoyment level on press tours and movies relies entirely on who he's with. Like when he was with Ryan Gosling for Blade Runner 2049, I've never seen him have more fun ever. He was drinking scotch during interviews, crying, laughing, laughing joke and singing. Like absolutely loved life. This time he's having a blast too. I think you just need, he needs like a young bro. I think Harrison just wants a young bro. Maybe someone that'll smoke weed with him We know he's like a crazy stoner Maybe he would just want someone that'll go out back smoke a quick joint and then they laugh and be goofy in their interviews

He's like the old horse that needs like the young puppy or the goat in the stable with him And yeah makes him run run harder and faster I don't know But I it's always nice when Harrison Ford you feel like Man Harrison Ford's could be so pissed if I go see this movie because he fucking hates it, right? Yeah, didn't feel like the case with this one. Let's tell everyone real quick about another one of our sponsors Turtle Beach winter has arrived, but don't panic. It's not a bad thing

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Thank you, Turtle Beach. And another old man thing that I always laugh about, this past weekend, this fraud Trent, this absolute fraud Trent tweeted, oh yeah, after the Thunderbolts Super Bowl trailer, he goes, oh yeah, definitely keep making Marvel movies. We all want them. And I favorited it, and I said, yeah, we all do. And then I thought to my second, wait a minute, I think he's being sarcastic here. But that was strange to me, Clem, because I introduced this man to the Marvel Cinematic Universe and he loved every movie he watched. He would come out of his room when we were living together going, I just watched another one. People aren't talking about this. Iron Man is amazing. And I'm like,

people have been talking about it. You fucking corn fed Trent. So we got into a little back and forth on Twitter. I said you're a fraud aiming for Twitter likes. This is not you. People pulled up the receipts of him talking about it My favorite old man thing he did when he watched Avengers when he got to the first Avengers in his little watch-along in the universe He rented it from YouTube, and I don't know if you know this but there was a movie called the Avengers in the UK Or a TV show called the Avengers So in the UK they had to call it Marvel's the Avengers. And I swear for months, trying to be like, you know, a movie I fucking love Marvel's

the Avengers. Have you guys seen Marvel's the Avengers? And he would throw that in front of it every time. And it was such a new thing. But it kind of warmed my heart. I didn't even want to correct them. You know, I want them to just keep going. Like, have you guys seen the fucking movie Marvel's the Avengers? it was just like every time you would really do the full title that is that is an old man thing that interested an old man he used to be a young boy in these parties quickly become a young man and he's become a fraud a goddamn fraud it breaks that it really pissed me off seeing that I was just like that's not you Trent that's you know what that is is is we've been apart for too long.

If we were still living together, he would never say something like that. Maybe he needs to move in with me and Lady Fox. Maybe we need to be like a full house situation. That'd be like a sitcom. Trent, you know, that's who moves in with a couple of fiancees and a dog. That could definitely, but like, I mean,

I know it's the Super Bowl and everyone feels they have to get their takes off and their tweets off. I've told you about the commercial, the halftime show and the game, whatever. Why Trent, why do you have to do that feels they have to get their takes off and their tweets off. I've told you, I'm at the commercial, the halftime show, in the game, whatever. Why Trent? Why do you have to do that? Why have to break up? Shut up Trent. Shut up Trent. Shut up. One of the funniest things on the dog walk is me and Trent are usually end up on the same shows

and we always vote Trent off and we always like just shit on his draft the whole time and people are like, he had the best draft. Why is everyone doing this? so it's a kind of a great little I don't want to call it a bit because it just it's not planned at all but I think I'm gonna like I have kind of hate Trent now I hate him that's not true yeah all friends country country club guys I never watched Marvel. I would never watch Marvel. Have you guys seen Tin Cup by chance? Fuck off Trent. To end this, I would like to talk about some pros of the movie, just personally at least,

things that I liked about the movie. Things maybe that I've already mentioned here, but I'd like to recap. Sam Wilson, overall his performance, yes, his character arc, no, but his performance is Sam Wilson. I believe him. I also trust him to lead the Avengers. And that says a lot. I know that says a lot because a lot of people right now are like, I don't know if we trust him right now, because he hasn't been able to put up so low wins. But I think with all the help,

maybe that's like fucking putting Luca on the team, you know, sports sports sports. That was good. His his fucking base, his home base, like I said, his cap layer, I don't know if they has a name in the comics, but I loved his office. I thought the action scenes were great. I thought what we got of the leader I really liked there were some creepy leader scenes where he goes in and shoots the couple in the house and you have that behind the back scene. I love him cutting into broadcasts. I loved him cutting into the broadcast at the end

that President Ross is trying to make the speech. He's talking over the loudspeakers. I love when that happens in movies overall, like General Zod cutting into the TV stations to tell Earth, if you don't give up Superman, we're coming for you. One of my favorite moments in the whole DCEU, probably my favorite scene in that movie.

Even when the villain in The Incredibles 2 does it, that's like the one really memorable scene from that movie for me. So maybe that's just a personal favorite. The action I really liked, the actual plot with the leader, I was a fan of, I don't know if it could have led the whole movie, like the leader pitting US and Japan against each other because of his personal

things did feel a little TV show-ish. The leader is not, his scenes where he was, like you said, when he's like, these are my henchmen, they're now going to attack you and I'm going to leave. Yeah, oh my God. Yeah're now going to attack you. And I'm going to leave. Oh my God. I'm yeah. I meant to mention that when they go to confront him in the lair, the basement, which is the Winter Soldier Zola scene, they're trying to recreate the energy of that for sure. And he's just like, yeah, henchmen come into the room, like Clem said,

and he just comes out. It is straight up video game cutscene material where the camera kind of pans out as Joaquin and Sam are standing there ready to start fighting. And then they start fighting and the fight scene itself is good, but how you get there a lot of clunky things to get there. And it reminded me so civil war people criticize civil war because it takes so many coincidences to get to where they get to in Civil War. And I get that, but I kinda don't care in my brain. I'm like, whatever, the coincidence is fucking happened. All of the coincidences also happen in this movie,

but they just write it into the plot where they're like, yeah, cause the leader's the smartest person and he did all the statistical probability to make sure that it didn't happen. But they take a lot of just liberties of like, yeah, and this would happen. And then they would go there and then all the stuff

with the stealing the adamantium and we don't know if he's working for this and this serpent society. And you could tell that was probably cut up in reshoots and stuff, but it was just confusing and unnecessary. Also, can we just call a spade a spade? And I didn't think of this until after we left the movie. I think US versus Japan in a war. Obviously, that already did happen once, and it was a very bloody bad war. I think China versus US would have had a lot more gravity

to it, but they know they're opening this movie in China. And then- Yeah, oh, and it's projected to do great. They're like, definitely not the Chinese. They would never, the communists, they would never come after America, no. During that scene, and I don't know if you notice this when The leaders on his microphone his headphones, right? Yeah, and he's like getting him pissed and he's starting to get all mad

And I know this is all just part of they're just doing it and there's a million ways he could've done it but it was like the title of the creator tweet where he's like cyberbullying just Like just take the head off and he can't do that to you anymore. Yeah, it's just like that. Did you see that fucking carry-on movie? The Netflix movie? I did not see it, no, I didn't see it.

The whole plot of that movie is like the terrorist, the spoilers, it's not really a big spoiler for this movie, though, it's in the trailer. The terrorist is talking to Taron Egerton over his headset and everyone's like, bro, the movie's over, if you take that headset out and throw it out. The movie's over, I'm going to throw a Baron Eagerton over his headset and everyone's like, bro, the movie's over. If you take that headset out and throw it out like the movie's over

like that. So, yeah. Um again, I know we've nitpicked a lot about this movie. I genuinely left it being like I enjoyed that. I rated it three stars on my letterbox three out of five balls. They go on the ball scale letterbox, huh? Yeah, they do go on the ball scale. And obviously, we can go on the ball scale,

as I negotiated the IP for that before Glennie left parcel full time. But here on my mom's basement, we go by a fast food scale, which if you're new to the show, we just compare it to a fast food item and kind of give reasoning as to why. Clem, would you like to kick off today's fast food review? Sure thing, Bob. I'd be honored to. So, um, knew I was getting into something I wasn't

probably gonna love. Hope for the best. Caps have been good in the past. Great. Great in the past. Depending on if good, great. I think both those words can be used for certain cat movies. I would say all three. I think most people would say first one's good, next to it, great. I think both those words can be used for certain cat movies. I would say all three. I think most people would say first one's good, next two are great. Yes, I think it did get better. It kind of did happen with me somewhat recently with the kids. I took them to their first Burger King because we didn't have a ton near us and they actually randomly put one in not too far. I said, you know, let me get them the crown, you know, just live that whole life. And it was the first time I had had the nuggets in years. I think the last time I had the nuggets, they were, I don't know if they were dino

shapes. There was some sort of shape. I was going to say, I can't even tell you what shape they're in. Cause if I go to Burger King, which is rare, but if I go, I get the chicken fries. See, that's the chicken fries have taken over. I'm a big rodeo burger guy, which I mean the rodeo burger. I think I've compared to a movie in the past. It's a top notch item on there. It's also relatively cheap. The nuggets though, man, they let me down and I'm like, how could you make a bad nugget? And it's kind of like, how could you make a bad Captain America movie? And it happened. And it's like, I guess there's a baseline that it can't be too bad because it's

still a crispy fried piece of chicken without bones in it right but like there's a whole lot of other nuggets out there and they're better than this one so Burger King nuggets current version old Burger King nuggets Burger King is that a very old Burger King nuggets Steve Rogers yes exactly current Burger King nuggets i don't want to say anthony mackey's cap because that's not fair to anthony mackey we'll just say brave new world the chefs yeah it's the chefs not the nuggets or something so i love when we are aligned on reviews like this and i feel like we're pretty aligned here because my fast food review I based around a new item because this is a brave new world Okay, I said a new item that I was excited for and I think when I had it

I wanted to like it more than I actually did like it But it was still fine and I would still throw it on an order every now and then But it's probably not gonna add to the normal order. It's Taco Bell's chicken nuggets. Have you had the Taco Bell chicken nuggets? They just added them to the menu? I actually liked them. I liked them a lot. I liked them as well.

I got them twice now. Maybe it was just the second time I got them. They were not, they were just not as good. I think I wanted to like these more the first time I had them. So we did a snack boys review on them. They came late. They forgot all the sauces. Now this is the thing. Did you get the sauces? There's three different kinds of sauces. The first time I did the second time I didn't see that's the thing. And I believe and then

there's also the you can use the nacho cheese sauce. I think yeah, I personally like a nice crispy, crunchy even, and sometimes I can live with a dry white meat nugget chicken. I'm fine with that. I realize it's not the case for everybody. So that's why I personally like the Taco Bell. And I do like to use the little tortillas as the breading. Yeah, that kind of stuff. Maybe I'll maybe I'll have a better experience.

But yeah, Eddie didn't love him. So it's like I see where coming from. I see how that ties into this review. And I think it's a good call. And that's this cat movie for me. I enjoyed it. Am I going to go back and rewatch it? I'll probably have it on in the background while I work one day.

But it's not some actually I have tickets to see it on Sunday morning. But it's it's not something that like, I'm like, oh my god, Deadpool and Wolverine, when we saw that, I immediately was like, I can't wait to come back to the theater and see this with, you know, a big crowd and people cheer and there's those moments. This isn't one of those movies. It's unfortunately one of those movies that I think, if you're like me, you're going gonna enjoy it and kind of move on. If you're not like me and you are more down on the Marvel Universe, I think you're gonna be more down on this movie.

I think it's either gonna do nothing for you, you're gonna say it's okay, or you're gonna hate it. And I would be surprised if you absolutely hated it. Some of the people that are like, it is absolutely dreadful, unwatchable, schlock, like one of the worst things Marvel's ever done. I feel like that's over the top. Crazy exaggeration. If you're a Marvel fan and you watch this, I would be shocked if you absolutely hated it. I said that with Love and Thunder, though, so I don't fucking know. Yeah, I mean, again, I don't think it sucked.

I do think it was aggressively met. I thought that was the perfect way to describe it. So I thought it was aggressively met. I thought that was the perfect way to describe it. So I thought it was good, but if I were recommending or talking about this movie to anyone else, I would say it was okay to good. Now, this is kind of how I think of these movies in general now. You discussing the scene, the rewatchability.

Excuse me. The best is I am going to rewatch this movie. Like when it comes on Disney. In the theater I'm going to see it again. This happened with Deadpool. This happened obviously with the big Avengers movies, all that kind of stuff. Then there's the like almost the cousin of that. It's like not only that, I'm also going like the better version is like I'm going to look for the clips on Twitter. In the meantime, like I was like, I got to watch that bye bye bye scene from Deadpool. As soon as I got I don't care if it's a bootleg. Yeah, I was like, fine, I'm gonna have to live with the bootleg

version of it. So that's like a base as good as you can get is that kind of stuff. Then it's like the, the next level is like, I'll watch it in the background or I'll turn it out at home here and there. Then there's the, I'm going to YouTube the good clips. I'm going to watch the good fight, which is kind of where the Falcon and Winter Soldier falls, right? I'd say, yeah, I'll watch the red hole fight here and there just to like the red hole. Very good. That is the one scene I would go back to. I agree. And really probably rewatch first.

Everything about that fight was really well done. And I sort of like believed That this non-super soldier was fighting the Red Hulk for a bit because he's getting fucked up And that's what I like about my heroes we talked about that all the time McLean and Indiana Jones Yeah, kind of like when my heroes are getting fucked up. Yeah a little bit of they're not the strongest guys in the world But they have yeah Now the one thing I don't want to watch this ever again and let's be honest there was more than a few of those recently in marvel yeah like i will actively

avoid seeing that on my screen yeah um the the one thing and we've seen the hulk do this so it's established in the universe and it's not like outlandish but when you watch the red hulk jump that is a little bit like, all right, the rest of this, I, the eternal in the ocean, I could believe, but the Red Hulk can jump from the White House to the Washington Monument. That was hops like I've never seen before. That was actually one of my takeaways from the movie. I'm happy brought that up.

I'll bring it up here just right at the end. It kind of just made me like, fuck, I want some more Hulk in my life. I think we said it in the past. Maybe they could get there now. And just forget me like fuck. I want some more Hulk in my life. I Maybe they could get there now and not hold just forget that fucking son. Yeah, we were on the same page there Yeah, just forget you ever introduced the Sun and not for any like I don't know anything about the comic son He could be cool Not for any other reason other than the haircut and the Mark Ruffalo face you put on him Kill that motherfucker with rocks. Just kill him. I don't want him.

Hey, if they do that, maybe this was their reason for bringing Betty in so they could have Betty meet the Hulk. And then like I said in my preview video, maybe she'll have the joke about like, hey, why don't you look like Ed Norton anymore? That's, yeah, that can work. That can work.

She's like, or maybe they meet her. She's like, you're not really my type anymore. How about they kill the Hulk's son and that makes smart Hulk into fucking crazy bloodthirsty Savage Hulk? I think the Hulk son in the comics is supposed to be dating one of Wanda's kids and that discourse Would be like light and fuse with the MCU problem. That's problematic. I could see that. Yeah We're not gonna go there. We're not gonna go there. Not on this podcast. We're not gonna go there. We ain't going there. And this movie honestly doesn't really go there with politics or anything like that either.

I know some people were like, this is gonna be the woke Captain America movie. It truly is not that at all. Like there's no, there's no heavy-handed woke messaging in this movie. There's no messaging on the other side. They kind of stayed down the middle politically, I would say. And I appreciated that at least. Like I don't want to be hit over the head with the stuff that I have to deal with In real life. Yeah, I think was Thunderbolt shop before we said that they kind of were like, all right We're gonna start making Marvel movies fucking I don't think so because when they started shooting Thunderbolts There was that quote from Wyatt Russell where he said it's time to make a fucking good Marvel movie. Mm-hmm. Okay, so

Hopefully this is the last one where it's like, alright I'm giving you guys a pass because it was during a really tough time But at the same point like I'm going in like the honest I probably graded him on a curve Go ahead. We like I would be shocked if this wasn't the worst Marvel movie of the year If Thunderbolts is worse than this, I would be really, really surprised if Fantastic Four isn't as good as this. We're not even going to talk about that. We're not even going to talk about that. If that happens.

Yeah, it's coming down and going in the garage and not just like up against the wall in the garage. We're putting it back in the box with the bubble wrap and yeah. I'm not even using the bubble wrap. I'm going to pop the bubble wrap. Right in the cardboard. It just goes in the cardboard. We're not even talking about that. We're staying positive. Fantastic Four is going to be pun intended, fantastic,

and Marvel will be so bad. This is salvageable, guys. This is very, the MCU is not dead. The reports of its death are highly exaggerated. And this movie, I see as an absolute win, to quote the Hulk, because I think we are at a level where if the next two are good and They nail the next two Avengers

We are perfect for a soft reboot focused around the mutants and the fantastic four and does that not sound amazing? Sounds great Bob Tom Hollins lining up for another spider-man trilogy. I just read that apparently he's getting three more spider-man movies I fucking love the sound of that We're in a good spot guys we're in a good spot next week come back we will be talking invincible I'll catch up on your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man I'm doing another Marvel rival stream Tuesday at four so make sure to look out for that I'm playing ranked now very fun streams I've been playing with the chat I've been been playing with listeners. Very, very fun stuff. And look out for honestly a bunch of nerd news next week that we didn't get to this week. We'll be piled up and I think it'll be a good show. So thanks to everyone for tuning in. Hopefully you liked Brave New World as much as me or maybe even more than

me. I would say if you're like Clem, unfortunate that you didn't absolutely love it. I know we all wanted to love this movie, but you win some, you lose some. This one, I see as an absolute win.