My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 42 - BRANDON ROUTH/MMA MAILBAG!

Episode Date: January 6, 2020

Robbie kicks things off with an MMA Mailbag this week in honor of Conor McGregor vs Donald “Cowboy” Cerrone being LESS THAN TWO WEEKS OUT, and closes out the show with Brandon Routh, who played Superman in the 2006 film 'Superman Returns' as well as The CW's 'Crisis On Infinite Earths' Saga, which we're currently in the midst of.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mymomsbasement

Hey My Mom's Basement listeners, you can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Now we are on to fight camp. We are on to Conor McGregor, Team McGregor fight camp. We got a fight coming up January 18th at UFC 246 versus Donald Cowboy Cerrone. So I figured why not deliver on something that I've been promising for a while and do an MMA mailbag to kick things off this week. We had Jorge Masvidal on the show last week. Go back and check that out if you haven't already. This week, we'll do the MMA mailbag and we'll get into an interview I conducted with Brandon Routh, who played Superman in the 2006 film Superman Returns. I did this interview a while ago. It had some technical difficulties.

I was having trouble getting the audio to come through clearly. I figured all of that out just in time for Crisis on Infinite Earths to come back on the CW as well, which is what he was in here promoting. But first, we'll get into some MMA questions. As always, I have to remind you, if you haven't done so already, please subscribe to the podcast. Please give us a rating. Please give us a review. It does help out a lot, especially with this being one of Barstool's smaller, more niche

podcasts. But other than that, I don't have anything to plug, anything to remind you guys of. So let's get right into the questions, right into the MMA questions. I tweeted out the call and we're going to just go right into the replies. I'm going to do this kind of rapid fire because I didn't prepare any answers. I didn't want any answers to come off canned. I haven't even read all of the questions yet. So let's get right into this. Jared Schnappert wrote in and said, are you at all conflicted with this fight? I love Cowboy and Conor equally and have a hard time rooting against either. What about you? No, not at all.

You know, I like Cowboy, but there's no comparing him to Conor and my fandom for Conor. So, yeah, that's a pretty clear cut. No, I mean, like I said, I like Cowboy. I got nothing against Cowboy, whereas I think a lot of McGregor's former opponents we've had things against. This one's just more about McGregor getting back in the cage, having a good return, getting back in the swing of things. Cowboy's the first on the list. He's the first of this season of fights for Conor. So no. All right, up next, we got Alex Smith, and he says, is the UFC going with the boxing pay-per-view model with how weak the UFC 246 card is? Ooh, I don't know about that. Um, if I look at the UFC 246 card right now,

obviously we've got McGregor and Cowboy in the main event. The co-main event is Holly Holm versus Raquel Pennington. We've got an Alexi Olenek fight. Uh, we've got Claudia Gedalia versus Alexa Grasso, Anthony Pettis on the card. I don't think it's that bad. I mean, I I've seen, you know, I've seen people saying that, and I'm even looking at the prelims. The prelims have some, you know, you got Touchy Feely, you got Macy Barber, you got Chaz Skelly, Drew Dober. I don't think it's that bad at all.

I think maybe we've had such great cards recently with multiple title fights and whatnot that as MMA fans, we might be getting a bit spoiled to how amazing those cards are. This was such a short notice card. You know, they were putting up listings for UFC 246 in February, right before this was made official. So I think this is more a case of they put the card together at the last minute because McGregor really wanted in the cage. I don't think it's them saying, fuck it.

We don't need to put on good cards anymore. And I honestly, I don't think this card is that bad. And it's usually the cards that people say are bad that wind up being the best. What are your thoughts on Anthony Pettis returning to 155x Ryan Yanouzowski? Jeez, Ryan, you've got some last name there. I don't love Anthony Pettis returning to 155. I think that cut was really rough for him, especially now. Anthony Pettis is a young guy, but he that cut was really rough for him, especially now. Anthony Pettis is a young guy, but he's been fighting for so long. I liked him at 170. I know Nate Diaz really pieced him up, but yeah, I'm not a fan of him going back to 155. I thought 170 was the weight class he should have finished his career. Wasser MMA says, which champion is the

most likely to lose their belt in 2020? I'm going to look right here at the overall champion. So it still has Henry Cejudo listed as the flyweight champion. He has been stripped of that championship, or at least will be stripped of that championship when Joseph Benavidez and Diveson Figueredo figure that out in Norfolk, Virginia. I believe I'll be at that card supporting my man Joe B, as always. So obviously Henry Cejudo, if you count that. Otherwise, I'm looking at the rankings. There's a lot of fucking great champions on this list.

I could say Valentina Shevchenko next month when our girl Kaitlyn Chukagian steps in the octagon with her and takes that title off of her. But I'll also throw in a bonus answer of Alexander Volkanovsky, the featherweight king right now, a recent champion, a recent, you know, addition to this division, I feel like even. He's been fighting for a few years now, but he really came out of nowhere and defeated Max Holloway

when nobody thought he would. I guess some stragglers on MMA Twitter predicted it, but I think Max will get his title back in 2020. That's my prediction. So I'll say Alexander Volkanovski and Valentina Shevchenko with the new champions being Max Holloway and our girl, Caitlin, blonde fighter, Chukagian. Justin just says, who do you got, Tony or Habib? It's hard to pick against Habib at this point, but I'm going to do it. I'm going to say Tony. Fuck it. Chet Stedman, and that's all I'll say about that because I've

promised higher ups that I would stop saying bad things about Habib. All right. Chet Stedman says, do you think Ben Askren will come out of retirement in the future? Ooh, I haven't thought about this. If so, what do you think it takes? I would lean no just because of how poorly that UFC run went for him when things were all said and done. And also a hip surgery is pretty serious, man. I don't think you could just get that hip surgery, you come back, oh, I'm feeling better than ever. Let me hit the mats. If he were to come out of retirement, it would probably be against like Dylan Danis or something. I know that sounds ridiculous right now, but man, never say never about anything in MMA. Mango Tango writes in and says, who will be the champions at the end of 2020? I'm not going to go through the whole list

because I sort of just did that already. I sort of told you who I think will defend their titles through the year, who won't. I'm sure I'll be wrong on a drastic amount of those. We'll probably have a completely new slate of champions by the end of the year. But I'll just say this, my friends, my friends will be champions at the end of 2020. Kaitlyn Chukagian, Joe Benavidez, Conor McGregor. Take that as you will. Nick, do you think GSP ever fights in the UFC again? And if it's a yes, would you rather see him fight Habib or Conor?

I do think GSP will fight in the UFC again. I had Rory McDonald, a teammate of his, on the podcast months ago at this point, right before his second match with Douglas Lima, and I said, you know, gun to your head, Rory, do you think your teammate fights again? And he obviously doesn't have the answers, only GSP does, but he said yes. So I do think GSP comes back. I would rather see him fight Habib. I would rather see Conor go for matchups more like the cowboy one. Fun striker matchups that the fans want to see. I'm not interested in Conor facing a wrestler and Conor facing this test and Conor facing that test. It's not important to me anymore. The allure of Conor

McGregor isn't can he beat a wrestler. The allure ofor mcgregor is conor mcgregor and and that's the end of the story there so yeah i think gsp versus habib will happen i think it'll be a great fight and i'm very interested in that joe korincic asks after conor absolutely sparks cowboy what round do you think he knocks and be about in the rematch the The first. T-Mac wants to know if Johnny Walker will bounce back in 2020. I absolutely think Johnny Walker will bounce back in 2020. You don't have a guy that big with that much personality and that much of a touch of death in his hands that doesn't bounce back. Without a doubt, I mean, people said the same thing about Francis Ngannou after the Stipe fight, and I don't mean to compare the two of them, but obviously they both came up just starching people with

knockouts. I think Johnny Walker bounces back. He learns a few more fundamentals, chills out on the celebrations. He'll be fine. Coach G wants to know if I could be one fighter in history, if I could be one fighter in history, who do you choose? And then, as that fighter, who would be your opponent? Like, if I could be a fighter and have, like, a magical matchup? I don't really understand what that one's asking. I would be Conor McGregor and fight Robbie Fox. That would be an easy fight for me. Yeah, I guess he's saying, like, what would be, like, a great fight.

I'd be Robbie Lawler and fight Rory McDonald the second time. I don't't know i don't really understand what that question means right in next week maybe labo wants to know who do you see owning the 20s in mma looking at the looking at the rankings right now i haven't pulled up on ufc.com just taking a look at it i mean the champions are the ones that catch your eye obviously israel adesesanya, Kamaru Usman, Habib Nurmagomedov, although Habib says he doesn't have that many fights left in him. Jon Jones is kind of undeniable, even though I hate that guy. Who do I see owning the 20s in MMA? I think it's the two names I just mentioned right there. I think it's Israel Adesanya and Kamaru Usman, two friends of the show, two friends of the program. The rest are, you know, the 20s. You got to pick young guys. You got to pick guys sort of still young in their MMA careers. And it's hard to do that in the UFC right now. So I'll go with them. Maybe Francis Ngannou in the heavyweight ranks. If Stipe doesn't have that many fights left in him, we'll see. All right, we'll move on to this one. Samuel Robinson says, Stipe, DC3 gonna happen? I don't know if it's

scheduled or not. If it is, then what happens in the rubber match? I think DC, geez, it's tough for me to say because I fucking love Stipe, to be honest with you. I love both of them. I think they're both great dudes. I think DC probably beats Stipe in the rubber match. I think it will happen. I'm not sure what is holding it up at this point. I know Stipe had to get eye surgery after the second fight. I think it might be that. This fight definitely is happening. This will be DC's last fight. I think DC will go out on top. Alex Boeve wants to know if connor will fight again if he loses i will not answer that question because he will not lose and finally we got one more question from ben simmons 0.4 uh from the oh from the three point that's oh geez sorry if you're from philly and i just gave you some ptsd

about ben simmons three point shot he wants to know if I'm concerned at all that Conor may lose because he's too buddy-buddy with Cowboy, and historically, Cowboy performs better when he has no beef with the other fighter. No, not at all. Absolutely not. I mean, in Cowboy's last fight, he fought Justin Gaethje, who he's got no beef with, and he got starched. So that doesn't worry me at all. I'm not worried about this fight.

I was worried about the Habib fight. I wasn't letting it on, but I was a little worried about it. This fight, I'm not worried about. I've been talking to Conor's team. I've been in correspondence with them daily. They're telling me how great Conor looks. They're telling me how big Conor looks. They're telling me this guy could be the 170 pound champ. This guy could be the 155 pound champ. If he wanted to, he could cut back down to 145, be the 145 pound champ, but he's not going to do that. He's bulking up. He's eating meat.

He's eating potatoes. He's feeling good. Conor McGregor, in the words of John Kavanaugh, has never looked better, and I choose to believe that. I'm excited for January 18th. I'm excited for next week on the podcast where we'll really dive into that fight, break it down a little bit more. But right now, I'll leave you to this interview with Brandon Ralph, the man of steel himself. Enjoy. All right, welcome back to the show. I'm joined now in studio by a very special guest. This is none other than one of the men of steel himself and one of the stars of Legends of Tomorrow, Brandon Ralph. Thank you for being here.

It's an honor. The name of this show is My Mom's Basement. So it's really fitting that we're talking about Crisis on Infinite Earths now. Your mom has a very nice studio in her basement. Yeah, she does. It's all equipped for podcast studios and whatnot. But this is a huge event. This is an event that people have wanted to see forever.

I think especially on CW. Even in the beginning seasons of The Flash, this was sort of teased. We knew there was crossovers happening. Obviously, The Flash, Supergirl, Arrow always crossing over. You've been with the CW-verse, if you will, for a while, so you had to know this was coming. Were you thinking in the back of your mind when you got told we're doing Crisis, I might get to put on the red undies again. Well, you know, I thought that if ever there was a time, it would have been a couple years ago

when I knew that they were maybe thinking about having a Superman on Supergirl. I thought maybe they would have me come do a role, that there was some small possibility of that. But that wasn't. And then when this came around, I mean, I honestly, I mean, I'd always hoped to have another opportunity to play Superman again, but didn't really, I'd say 99% chance that it wasn't going to happen. Yeah, it didn't seem like, I mean, like, it's one of these things that in the comic book universe, especially the movie universe, you don't see that happen a lot. People get to reprise roles that are –

No, I don't think it's ever quite happened like this, especially to do two different mediums, film and television. But I had responded to a question previously a while ago. If I ever came back as a Superman, it would Superman and, you know, a la Alex Ross version. And that's years before. Yes. Yes. I had a comic con and a couple of interviews. Kingdom come Superman.

And then it and then it happened. So I have to watch what I say or just say more cool things. Yeah. Maybe speaking things into existence. That's right. There's truth to that somewhere. But so, yeah. So it's pretty awesome to be, be you know reprising the role and doing

it in this way and um 13 years later with more maturity yeah and were you a fan of the kingdom come superman being that you said the alex ross thing were you researching that kind of superman for your original role or are you just an overall fan of the character no i i i wasn't i mean i i knew of alex and and mark wade uh as a writer and and alex has written some stuff too but but his art um and a lot of the artists and writers who'd done um different maxi series and mini series along the way though i hadn't written read all of them, I was aware of some of the work and the different storylines that Superman had gone on. I just – it was a question that was asked and I thought, well, if there's ever a time, maybe that – there's been enough distance from Superman Returns 2 when I'm 40 or 50 or whatever and can come back in the role to some capacity. And here we are.

And Crisis, as we were mentioning, like, it's all you have to say. You tell a comic book fan, oh, they're doing Crisis. And they know what it is right away. But for those that aren't aware, I don't want to use the comparison, you know, go over the Marvel and call it Endgame. But I feel like it is the DC's version of Endgame. You know, originally it ended and rebooted the entire comic franchise. And now here what you're doing you're bringing in people that i mean burt ward is coming back and playing robin again

kevin conroy is playing bruce wayne for the first time ever on yeah in live action so like what is it about crisis that you think people have always wanted to see and how do you think it came to fruition here well we're always looking for more what is more epic than the next thing um and the bigger you make the environment the more exciting and appealing it it it can be you know you can have a very small story and make it very interesting but with superheroes you want to see the team ups you want to see justice league you want to to see all these guys and these women and these everyone coming together to defeat the biggest, baddest

villain that you can find that makes it more epic and exciting and raises the stakes, right? We want to keep the stakes, raising the stakes. So that's what this does and drawing from such a huge event in the DC comic book world

to use that um and to use the resources that we now have in the in the arrowverse in the dc television universe i think is um amazing uh and the way they've done it um the way they've been able to pull that huge 12 issue uh maxi series together to make into five hours is pretty incredible. You can't do everything, but they've got a lot in there. And then to see all these great Easter eggs, all these people coming back and being a part of it, it just adds even more excitement and reverence, and it's very memorable you know to bring back of course all this stuff what was filming it like what was it like on set was there a lot of secrecy

around who was coming back and who was playing what as opposed to other maybe if you're filming legends of tomorrow on just say a random week uh i mean there was secrecy you saw that in vancouver by the way is that one of the same the yeah they all everybody every show shoots up there except for black lightning which shoots in atlanta um so yeah i mean we couldn't we couldn't need to be careful what were pictures we were instagramming and tweeting for sure um not leaking details uh about who was on set or what they were wearing yeah um but other than that that's kind of all we had to, you know, keep secret,

obvious story details, but we're not often talking about story too much there. I got a long list of things that I couldn't talk about. Oh, really? I pretty much can't talk about much about story, although we have one episode comes out, has already come out.

So, um, it's the, the reins aren't quite as, as tight. Yeah. Now you walk that minefield of making sure you don't spoil anything. Because it does extend until, I think, January 14th and 15th.

Where it'll extend across all of the CW shows, which I also think is such a cool way of bringing everything together. And having, hey, one episode we're going to be on Supergirl, then we'll be on Legends, then we'll be on Arrow, then we'll be on Flash. All of that's great. Going back to Returns, if we can. When you get optioned for that role, when you first hear, like, oh, Superman's a possibility, do you even believe that? Well, yes. Because that's one of those, it feels like it's like James Bond, Batman, Superman. Like, there are iconic roles, and there's only a handful of them.

Listen, it's still bizarre that it happened. Yeah. And I did it, and I played the character twice. You know, it was a very long process. So I think the most exciting thing was my first initial inkling of a possibility of it. So that originally happened because I'll try to condense the story. But I was auditioning for television pilots. And there was a show that the then-director, Mick G., was a producer on.

So I thought if I impress – if I get a callback, maybe I'll meet him in the callback. I got a callback. He wasn't in the callback. Oh, no. But his producing partner, Stephanie Savage, was. And so I got to talking to her, and she happened to go. We had this Iowa connection, and i got another call back they really wanted to put me in the show but they couldn't quite find a place for me so then i

think i might have gone back once or two or three times and my manager calls and says a couple days later and said well you know uh bad news is they they they they can't quite find a place for you in the show in the show, in the pilot. But if the season show gets picked up, they really want to love you and find a new character for you to play. The good news is that, you know, they think you should meet. Stephanie Savage talked to McG. She thinks you should meet with McG about Superman. It's like, ah!

Because it's kind of what I, again, it's what I had. This is a plan that I had. And so that was, then I celebrated. And that was like, holy cow. Are you for real, I, again, it's what I had. This is a plan that I had. And so that was, then I celebrated and that was like, holy cow. Are you for real Superman? What's going on? I mean, I don't know.

It's something, kind of one of those meant to be things. Yeah. Definitely in the stars. Just me not screwing it up, I guess. Yeah.

So, so good. So far, so good. And then that was kind of the evolution of it. Then seven months later, until I was finally cast because McG left the project, it all fell apart.

I was crushed. Oh, there was a moment where you thought this thing wasn't happening? Oh, yeah. After you got cast? Not cast. Did the screen test along with six other guys.

I think Henry also had screen tested. So we were all up for the role and not knowing who was going to get it yet and in that time of that waiting period of six weeks i think they had to what they could wait to tell us contractually um mitchie left the project um it all fell apart and then and then brian came on with his with uh and they pitched an idea and it started rolling again. And then- Did it change a lot from what you originally knew it as?

Yeah. Totally different. Totally different story. Totally different take. And then it was a month after them, or six weeks after them being involved, till I finally even, they called me. I'm like, hello, I'm right here.

You already seen my, why is nobody, why am I not even having a meeting with them? I'm ready to go. I got the bags packed. And then finally they called, and not even having a meeting with them to go i got the bags packed and then finally they they called and i had a you know i had a coffee with uh uh with brian and you know we talked about it unbelievable and now here you are you filmed that in sydney australia correct oh yes and what was filming that like was that like i mean one of the biggest productions ever right at that point yes i think the budget was insane huge tentpole

so is that like incredible pressure like oh my god i'm superman yeah yeah i mean i i didn't thankfully i mean naivety is good and bad it was good uh for a while during that because i didn't i tried not to look at or feel that the money pressure i just yeah did my job and put one foot in front of the other and and did the work that i needed to do um to to become the character um but you know and definitely felt the pressure and pressure was on everyone around me also and what did you think of the final product because i think in the movie there are some iconic superman moments like you saving that plane landing it landing it on the ballpark.

I mean, that's all-time Superman for me. No, like the action stuff is pretty great. I'm still in awe of the plane sequence, on top of the bank, the bullet in the eye sequence. So good. The boat saving sequence, lifting Krypton, new Krypton up into space sequences. You know, I love the movie. I love my Clark in the movie.

I think there's not much I would change about Clark. Superman, I have some issues with, you know, I feel like I could have, again, having more maturity and growth as a human being, I could have brought a little more resonance and groundedness to the character in certain aspects. Just being an actor. I mean I had never done a film before. I just had a limited amount of television work even. So I was still working through some of that and i've learned so much as an actor relaxing and all that kind of stuff so um so there are a couple

moments where i go but but largely i'm very happy with the same time i'm supported by now you get to play soups again and it's like maybe you get to go back on some of the things that you wish you had done in that right i have oh absolutely no it's it's on so many levels being able to play this character again has been just such an honor and life affirming and uh and so many people are so happy about it like the reaction to the announcement when they put out that first picture of you and the kingdom come suit like people went bananas for that's a huge part of it honestly it's an it's an interplay it's it's i'm not superman without other people responding to me

as Superman. You can't have one really without the other. So it's really powerful and I'm really grateful for the response by everyone that I've heard from and those that I haven't that I know are happy about it. It's very exciting and it's a cool time and happy to bring this version of the character to life and be a part of it. Yeah, man. I was stoked about it

when it was announced because I'm 21 so that movie for me, I have nostalgia towards that movie. I remember seeing it on opening night. I remember I went

with my uncle. I remember I went with my brother. When they announced, I was like, get the fuck out of here. He's back as Superman. So now I have to do something that feels a little sacrilege.

But I'll show you this before I ask you this question. Big Batman guy. I got Batman tattoos. That's great. Who wins in a fight, man? Batman or Superman? All bias aside, are you saying Superman? Superman.

Come on, man. You don't think Bruce is getting that kryptonite? I mean, you know. You see Batman versus Superman? Martha? Yes. So here's the problem I have with that. Superman and Batman should never be fighting in the first place.

I know it's like, oh, it's a fun idea. But I just don't. And I saw the movie. And I just don't – and I saw the movie and I just – I don't get that as a story point. It's not appealing to me. They can butt heads about like how they want to attack a situation. So are you anti-Superman, Batman fighting ever? I mean maybe if Superman's poisoned, or mind-controlled, or Batman's mind-controlled,

like that makes sense. But with both their wits, it doesn't make sense, and I don't feel like it's good for DC, the image. I don't know. Just to have your heroes fighting, I feel like they shouldn't be that far apart in how they see the world. Yeah.

That they're drawn to that. At least when they're fighting for their death and whatnot. And also, like, they should be more self-aware to, like, not do that. And I'm getting very, like, the psychologist about it. But, you know, my version of Superman is incredibly self-aware. And he's working on it. Like, he wasn't always there. but he's a savior, right? He is a Christ figure.

Yeah. And I, to me, though he's not perfect, and if he's perfect, then that doesn't also make him as interesting. So he has flaws. He's able to make mistakes, but I think he's always pushing for everyone to find the better part of themselves, um, and to have that evolution. And even in,

even him and him and Bruce, he and Bruce, I think that find some way to work it out. I would hope so, man, because I'm a, I'm a DC guy. I'm a justice league guy.

I've had this debate thousands of times in my mom's basement, if you will, of whether or not Batman would beat Superman. I always go Batman just because he's my guy. I feel like I've got to go ride or die with him. Anytime a Superman fan brings up the fact that you could just laser beam right through his mouthpiece, that's a tough thing to come back from. You have a hysterical role in Zack and Miri Make a Porno. I'm a massive Kevin Smith fan. Kevin Smith has obviously worked on the CW stuff.

So what was that like working with Kevin? It was so great. I remember just the phone call that they wanted me to come in and read the script. They had this part for me and I was like, whoa, okay, all right, great. I mean, because I've been wanting to do comedy and obviously Kevin makes hilarious films. So I was very excited about that possibility and knowing that I was going to be working opposite Justin.

I know. You and Justin Long in that scene. That's still, I think, the scene that people go back to in that movie on YouTube all the time. That's what I hear all the time. People, you know, they love it. And I, you know, I just, I showed up and I did my best not to laugh at Justin and to find my time when to

speak because between him and Elizabeth and Seth, I was kind of the newbie on the comedy field there and just tried to fill in the gaps and follow Justin as he was like, you know, making magic happen. Are you a big comedy guy? I love comedy. What are your favorites? I mean, my favorite comedy movie is probably Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Classic. But I grew up watching sitcom,

and I've worked on sitcom. I did a show in Partners in 2012, and I'd love to be back. That's what I'm looking forward to, working on something like that in the future now that my time on legends is over um uh romantic comedy anything i can i mean that scott pilgrim versus the world that was so fun to be that outlandish uh over the top ego i love i love making people laugh uh both on set and at home so that's the kind of job to go and be able to do that every day is just great in the moment, in the present time, and then putting that out into the world also.

Hell yeah. Thank you, man. I appreciate your time. I actually got one more thing. Yeah. Thoughts on Melissa Benoist as Supergirl because I'm a huge fan. I think she deserves her own movie at this point. She's fantastic.

She's a wonderful human being. That's what everyone says. Everyone that works with her is like, she's just like a ball of joy. She is. She is. She's incredible as Supergirl. Such passion and love and compassion that exists through her character. She does the both sides well, too.

She's great as Kara, great as Supergirl. There's distinction there. She flies well. She works so hard at it. She's the greatest car, greatest supergirl. There's distinction there. She flies well. She works so hard at it. You know, it's such a challenging role. And I remember speaking to her during the first couple of seasons, or at least when it first – no, in the first couple of seasons, kind of helping them understand how I flew so they could maybe try to use some of that and and do build off of the way that that we did it to make it easier for her because it's painful it's physically painful unless they work uh to help you and then and then just to see what her bravery uh of her um the video that she posted

just a few weeks ago about uh the challenge she had with with abuse um I just, it's such an incredible role model. And she'd probably like go back to the corner, not want to hear and take the compliment. But, you know, that's the kind of person she is. But she's a fantastic human being. That's what everyone seems to say. And as a fan of hers, as an actress, as a fan of the show, I'm happy to hear that.

I'm very glad that you were able to join me.