My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 455 - FRANK GRILLO

Episode Date: September 19, 2025

Frank Grillo joins Robbie in the Basement to discuss playing Rick Flagg Sr in #Peacemaker Season 2, once again joining Sylvester Stallone in #TulsaKing Season 3, and more! They get into fighting, comic collections, and more. **************************************** My Mom's Basement is a weekly podcast hosted by Robbie Fox, started in March 2019, to discuss movies, music, comic books, wrestling, mixed martial arts, and more with his friends and idols alike! Subscribe on iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/my-moms-basement/id1457255205 Follow Robbie on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thatrobbiefox Follow Robbie on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RobbieBarstool My Mom's Basement Merchandise: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/my-moms-basementYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mymomsbasement

Hey, My Mom's Basement listeners, you can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Hello, and welcome back to My Mom's Basement. It is Robbie Fox, and I am here with Frank Grillo, currently starring in Peacemaker and soon to be starring once again in Tulsa King's Season 3. Yeah, what's up, brother? September 21st. Yep. Thanks for coming in.

How are you? I'm good, man. I'm good. You like being back in New York? I'm loving being back in New York, and I'm loving your studio here. Thank you. I appreciate it very much. Have you have any, like, must-hit spots when you come back to New York, restaurants, or anything like that?

You know, I don't really anymore. It's New York's changed a lot. And I stayed down at the Bowery Hotel, which I probably shouldn't say, but it's my home away from home. This will come out afterwards. Yeah, and so that's kind of my spot, you know what I mean? So anywhere around that area in the Bowery is where I go. Cool. And obviously, Tulsa King, coming up.

Yeah. I know you were friends with Stallone before you were co-stars with him in this show. He called you for the role. Yeah. Was there any fear or anxiety, like the night before you're first seen with him? Like, what if we don't have on-screen chemistry? Do you think like that? Yeah, you know, that's a great.

No one's ever asked me that question. But it's exactly that, you know, I had known Sly. I'd been up to his house a few times. We watched fights and football games together with a bunch of the dudes and, you know. The dudes. And the night, it was actually the night before, you know, I was super prepared and really loved the character and stuff. But I said to myself, what if this doesn't work?

Like, what if there's two kind of machismo guys, and it just kind of cancels each other out? Do you know what I mean? Yeah. And it was exactly the opposite from the minute he walked on set. It was as soon as I saw him, and he walked up to me, and we started to discuss what we were doing, and we kind of work in a similar way, it was gone.

And I think from the time we started, you could feel, and you know guys have it too like two guys together like a man and a woman there's a chemistry there's a flow and we had it right right from the beginning and I love doing scenes with him are you generally the type of actor that like maybe early on in your career did you get really nervous to go on set like I know minority report was pretty early on in your career like being on a Spielberg set where you like oh my god or is it just like business as usual maybe two maybe too nervous because they cut me out of the whole movie but um um um you know the only time I was nervous when I was really young

and I was on a soap opera because there was a lot of words and it was melodrama a lot of it didn't make sense. It's hard to connect to anything but after I learned that, I was never really I'm never nervous. I'm always prepared and I tell my kids this

preparation beats talent every day of the week, right? I said you could be very talented and not prepared it doesn't work out for you. Yeah. So I work really hard to be as prepared as anybody else on set. And that's kind of what gets me through the day.

And that's what makes me not nervous. There's always a little bit of anxiety, and you should have that, I think, when you perform or whether you're an athlete. And that's healthy. But I'm never, because I always know where I am. Yeah. Do you think that mindset comes from your background

in, like, wrestling and fighting and stuff? It's very much a fighter's mindset. A thousand percent. And, you know, I tell people all the time if you get your kids young and into martial arts or combat sports, For the discipline, purely for the discipline, it will make them better adults. Yeah, you know.

And my kids are all, you know, started in on boxing and martial arts and stuff, and a couple of them still do it. But I can see how it's affected them as they've grown up and they're better for it. Yeah, I mean, nothing's more humbling than walking into a jiu-jitsu gym as like a white bell and a 12-year-old chokes you out. Tell me about it. And I started in jiu-jitsu in 96 when you. were in heaven um and uh with a guy named hicks and gracy hicks and gracy who was the best of the best and you know i had an extensive wrestling background but i was still you're right man got on that mat and i was like wow they start grabbing the ghee in the right way and i'm like let me go

let me go and this is before you tapped it was like just can you stop now did you uh did you get hit with any legit sly punches on set i know there's kind of a tradition in rocky where every one of those Rocky movies, someone gets hit with a real punch at some point. Well, you know, it's interesting because Sly and I come from a background of fighting and and, you know, he's, he's done all his own stunts and he'll

tell you because he's in pain at this point in his life. And there's a mutual respect, like, and I tell people this all the time, I said, look, I don't play fight. There's no play fighting and there's no, because someone's going to get, you know, fooling ends up. That's the

saying, fooling ends up. And I tell my kids, too, don't play fight because somebody's going to get hurt. And so we have a mutual respect for each other and there's never, there's never any of, you know, it's like me and Sina too. It's, you know, there's something, actually, it's coming up tomorrow night.

There's something really crazy. And I know you've been hype in episode five. Yeah, episode five. And it's really something. And there's such a respect for, you know, I have for him and who he is. Oh my God, my phone does, remember. Imagine that.

Right before, and he said, who's going to call me? It's my boxing coach. Okay, maybe he was listening. I'm so sorry, but you'll be able to fix that. Yeah, of course. I thought it was off. Okay, now it's off. Isn't that funny?

That was perfect. Justin Fortune, who trains Manny Pacchio, is my boxing guy. I don't know why he's calling me. And so there's that mutual thing with Sina, too, where you're very careful and you're very diligent because you're really hitting each other. Yeah. So it's the respect.

You know what it is? It's the guys who don't understand fighting or they, you know, they took a couple of, you know, boxing classes. Yeah. You know, whatever the place is, the boxer-sized place. And those are the guys who usually either hurt someone or get hurt. Yeah. So we were talking recently in the office about Samuel L. Jackson did a master class where he talked about inspirations for random roles and how they could come from the most random of spots where he said, like, a time to kill, the way he walked.

in that movie is just inspired by his dad because the character reminded him of his dad. Do you relate to that at all, whether it be Bill and Tulsa King or Rick Flag in Peacemaker? Do you, like, try to base the character off little things from characters you know or people you know? Yep, 100%. Just for example, I did a movie called

Warrior a long time ago and when I was preparing, I was living down in New Mexico with Greg Jackson, who's one of the great coaches in MNA. And I really lived in the gym with him. And I love I love him. I love Greg Jackson. And he waddles when he walks. He's like a little penguin. And that walk kind of started out my character for Warrior. And I tried to kind of use it without overdoing it, which can be a problem.

Not doing an impression. Yeah, not doing an impression. But that walk is what, with the genesis of Frank Campania, my character and Warrior. That's awesome. I'm such a huge warrior fan. So I also cover MMA and UFC for. for Barstool. Oh, cool. And it's just like that movie is the culmination of all of my love's movies and MMA and all of it, yeah. It changed my life. That movie changed my life in many ways, but I often, you know, credit Gavin O'Connor,

who's a dear friend, with giving me a different career, you know? And being around Nick Nolte changed me as an actor because I learned from Nick the depths you go to create a character. And before that, you know, I'd come from soaps and I was kind of making my way. and wasn't real serious, I don't think I was. And watching Nolte, who in an obscure movie that very few people saw when it came out was nominated for an Oscar.

Yeah, he gives a tremendous performance in that movie. Wow, the hotel scenes and everything like that. I mean, you know, there's, look, there's guys that I look at that. I'm like, I'm embarrassed to say I do the same thing. Do you know what I mean? It's still to this day. I'm like, I can't, I don't do that. I mean, that guy's ridiculous.

I feel like your resume you've worked with, like, the best of the best. Is there anyone that still, like, makes you a little starstruck? Sly. Really? I swear to you, like, we're peers, we're friends, but I cannot erase the little boy in me who, you know, with wide eyes, watch the movie called Rocky. And then, you know, Rocky, too, and then Rambo. And then, like, it didn't, you know what I mean?

It doesn't stop. He's had such a huge effect, not only culturally, but personally, for me, as a young guy and then as an actor, that, you know, and, you know, and, you know, know, I'm friends with him. We're buddies. Like, we'll talk, you know, during the week and, you know, how you feel, and this, that, and a third, regular things that dudes that are old talk about. And I still get a little kind of, there's a thing. I don't know.

I can't articulate it, but, you know, it's, I feel blessed getting to be around this guy. Of course, yeah. Yeah. Do you have a preference for TV and movies when you can go into a TV show and really develop a character over multiple episodes, multiple seasons, even? or like Rick Flagg, Sr. over animation, movies, and television. Yeah, and that's another great question. You know, Rick Flag is an anomaly because you don't really get to do that.

You know, I mean, look, you get to do it in these comic movies, in these superhero movies, like, you know. But I get to do it in a way that, you know, I'm not Captain America, so you don't get, like, pigeonholed into that? Not that that's a bad thing. But I do love, like, I did a show called Kingdom. and speaking of MMA and the character's name was Alvi Kalina

and I loved going through the life of this guy you know it was it was creatively the most satisfying thing I've ever done to this day and the kingdom was still yeah it's you know and I Byron and I Byron Belasco the creator and Jonathan Tucker who played my son on the show we just had a conversation recently it's like do we can we get this back

for a last eight episodes at this point in our lives. I would love that. So we were talking about to see how we would pull off. And so who knows? You know, Stranger Things have happened. I loved all of the cameos from MMA fighters and whatnot. A friend of mine, Joe Benavita has got to be on the show.

You're the best. And they loved it. The fighters loved it because we tried so hard. And again, I made Byron Belasco when I signed down. I said, I didn't make him. I said, this is what you should do. I called Greg Jackson. I said, go, stay with Greg.

and I'm telling you the script will change for the better and he did and then Greg eventually became you know and Joe Daddy Stevenson

became the coordinators of the show for us so you treat it with the respect that you felt it deserved as someone that came from that background absolutely and and you know to quote Shakespeare

you know Hamlet you know don't play to the to the groundlings in the front play to the one judicious guy in the back and that's what we tried to do did I just quote Shakespeare

yeah I do and that's what we tried to do. It's like if there's one fighter in the stands, we want him to say this is a good show. And you know what? Dana White as much as he hates Warrior, for multiple reasons, and he's very vocal about it.

He came to the set and did his podcast at Kingdom. I remember with Matt Sera. With Matt, who's also a dear friend. And he loved the show. And so if Dana, you kind of, you know, if Dana loved it, it was like, okay, we're doing something right here. The harshest

critic you could have. Exactly right. When it comes to Rick Flagg, Sr., the first time we saw the character was in Creature Commandos, and I loved Creature Commandos. I love all of James Gunn stuff. I'm such a big nerd. Me too. But I didn't expect to love that show as much as I wound up loving it, because there's a lot of characters that, even me, a big comic fan, didn't know. Right. What was James' initial pitch when it came to Creature Commandos?

Like, how did he explain that show to you? So he called me, we had spoken earlier, and he said, you know, we got to do something together. And, you know, I'd seen him in the periphery of the most. Marvel world, you know, we'd see each other things, and I've got a great little, I said, bro, just whatever you want me to do, I'll move cables for you, whatever you want me to do, I'm a huge fan of James Gunn, right, from the beginning. And he

said, I got this thing, I'm taking over D.C. studios, and I kind of didn't know what that meant, you know, because it's a little ambiguous, because it's, it's, so, Warner Brothers bought D.C., obviously, and so he's, him and Peter Safran takeover, and he goes, the first thing I'm doing is creature

commandos, only because it's written. I've written it already. And he said, it's animated and it's going to be on HBO it's animated and it's about blah blah blah and uh rick flagg senior is the leader of this group of miscreants and he sent me all the scripts and i read it and i was like this is brilliant it's it's it's it's got heart it's funny it's filthy yes it's sexual yeah and i said i'm in man and it's as wacky as it is there's an episode like the weasel one where i'm crying at the end of i'm like what the fuck is going on Crying right now. It's a cartoon. Yeah. About a weasel. I know. Yeah. I know. And so, and that's the gift of James Gunn. I mean, completely. And at the same time, he's writing Peacemaker, you know, all of the episodes. And then, and then he's writing and directing Superman all within two years. Yeah. So. While he's running the studio. That's right. And so we've become great friends, as he does with everyone who's in his world. And I feel, I feel an obligation to him.

and Peter Saffrin, I feel an obligation to, like, be the best I can be in whatever they asked me to do for them. Yeah. Yeah. I know Peacemaker and Superman were also shooting, like, basically simultaneously. There's pictures of people popping back for, oh, my God, Tulsa King at the same time. Yeah, which is why the hair, I mean, it's been out in the public. But, you know, my hair wasn't white. Yeah, like it wasn't Creeds against the same time, and I couldn't cut it.

Yeah. I wanted my hair to basically look like gun's hair. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Were you shooting Peacemaker and Superman at the same time? Or did you shoot Superman and then shoot Peacemaker? Was it like one after another?

No, it was the same time. It was simultaneous. It's just why he didn't direct all of the peacemakers. Yeah. He had to shoot Superman simultaneously. And then he did. You'll see you guys haven't gotten, Press hasn't gotten episode six and eight.

They're the best. I know. The secrecy involved in them, it has me so intrigued. You got to see where this goes. I mean, it's, It's next level. Yeah. John Sina,

John Sina completely knocks it out of the park. I believe it. He is, I mean, he's, I know there was just this thing I was reading about the best actors, wrestlers turned actors. Yeah.

I think it's, and I love Batista, he's great. And, but I think John Sina, the work he's done is, because he's done it all. You go from comedy to drama.

It's slapsticky and physical and, not an easy thing to pull off and he does it in spades man he's one of those guys I think we were talking about it recently with Ken Jack the guy you were just in the interview with previously he really elevates every project he's in even if I don't love the project

John seen is a highlight in it and I'll tell you I'll go one step further he elevates every person that he's around I mean I think I don't think I know he's like the largest contributor to make a wish foundation more than any other five people combined I think and you know he's

the type of guy who I go in my trailer between takes and I dribble, I drool. You know, I'm waiting to go on and do the next thing, right? He's in there with a piano, learning to play piano while learning Mandarin. I say, he speaks Mandarin. You know what I mean? It's like, I hate him. Yeah. I think they used to show, like, WWE trainees, his schedule to basically be like, this is what you're signing up for. This is the peak of the business, and you're getting four hours of sleep in night. So you better be okay with that. It's interesting. I got to tell you, I never I never watched. I wrestled when I was young, right, wrestling.

I never watched WWE because it was entertainment, right? I never did, never. I knew, I mean, I know who Hulk Ogan was because he crossed over into entertainment in this business. But I really, I've heard the name James, and I said, jokingly, I didn't know who John Cena was. I got, he's got a fan base up there. The sceneation they call it. I got killed by who the. The hell, this Frank Grillo thing?

Who's he? Who's Frank Grillo? And I'm like, I knew, it's not that I didn't know. I just didn't know how big. And it was my son, and I've said this before and passed the interview. They said, my young son, Rio said, you're an idiot. He's not just a wrestler. He's the biggest wrestler.

Yeah. You know, in any event. And I learned quickly about John Sina. And I've seen John Sina. I saw him do a movie called The Wall with Aaron Taylor Johnson. And I remember thinking, this guy's, he's a natural. Like, he's really, really nuanced. And so I know John Sina.

I've known John Sina. Everyone chill out. She's amazing. He's better than me. And I'm happy to tell you he's great in Peacemaker's Season 2. And is that set as much fun as it seems like it is from the outside? Are you guys constantly laughing and joking on that set? It's actually more fun.

Really? Gunn creates this set. It's an amazing set. The only other set I've ever been on that's as fun is, is I worked with a director named Joe Carnahan a lot. And Joe's equally crazy and fun. But, you know, James is so prepared, and he understands exactly what he wants.

I didn't change a word of anything. I didn't have to. But it's so, it's like a bunch of goofballs getting together, all a bunch of nerds, and just having a good time and getting paid. And then sometimes filming incredibly serious scenes as well where there was the scene, where you're walking with Economos. Yep.

And I saw an interview with where you said his position is secondary to his personal agenda. And it's very clear in this scene where Economos is kind of given him in the rundown of Argus and everything. And you're like, okay, I want the files on my son. Yeah, we're not playing. And then that scene where it's intercut with the footage from suicide squad and everything. What was it like filming that? Because the editing is obviously a big part of that scene as well. Right.

That's a great question. Yeah. What was that like on set? Yeah, it's interesting because gun, they had told me that's, you know, and we could see it in the script that, you know, they're going back and forth, but I don't see the visuals of it, right? But for me, having three sons, you know, it's not hard for me to kind of use my imagination and, God forbid, something like that had ever happened.

So that's kind of like my go-to. And so, and knowing Joel and kind of how he was killed in suicide squad and stuff, you know, it was kind of on the page for me it wasn't that difficult but when I saw it it really had it was far more impactful for me to see it oh yeah and to understand it and they really

got the essence of who this guy was and I think you have to have you know I'm kind of deemed the bad guy in the show and I'm like I'm not the bad guy I'm a guy whose son was murdered and I think everybody else in my position would probably

feel somewhere in the realm of I want to get this guy. Yes. And that's classic James Gunn writing these very complex layered characters, even where the bad guy

has a point. From his angle, you can kind of see where he's coming from. That's right. And I think, look, I think there's got to be

closure to this storyline. I think something needs to happen so that flag could either go away or move on and be, you know, successful in this world.

Do you know what I mean? And I think That's what kind of you see happen as the show progresses. Absolutely. Even seeing it escalate with the conversation with hardcore we saw last week at the end of that episode. Like, as the viewer, you're rooting for Peacemaker because he's the guy, but you see that conversation, you're like,

oh, my God, he's turning Harcourt on Peacemaker now. It's like... There was great editing in that scene, and I don't know if anybody caught it. I did because I understood what I was seeing, is that when she gets up to start her rant, I look at her with a look of, I got her. And there's a small look, and it's like, I got her. I'm wounding, I wound her up.

And she's between a rock and a rock. At her most desperate point. At her most desperate point. And I kind of look at her, and they cut away. And I'm like, that's good editing. That was great. Yeah, absolutely. Great directing as well.

I know we haven't seen like the James Gunn episodes at the end, but all of the directors that have worked on this season, I feel like they're crushing it. But Gunn will tell you his is the best. and I know that one of your sons is particularly really into comics I saw you said he was really into Marvel now he's getting really into D.C. Do you feel like he's given you an even greater appreciation for the genre?

Oh my God, so a quick story, we lost the house in the Palisades Fire recently and my son had been, thank you, had been collecting comics for about seven years and was way into Marvel. It's Spider-Man specifically. And that was kind of his thing. And so I'm not a Spider-Man guy, so I didn't realize.

I just bought them for him. He lost everything. And so I called Gunn and Peter Safran. They sent a bunch of DC stuff. I called Marvel and they sent a bunch of Marvel stuff. My next-door neighbor, Tamara, we were having a conversation, and I said she had, she said to me, she's like a 35-year-old woman. She lives next door to me.

She goes, bring Rio into my house. I collected comics my whole life. and we went in she had a room about this size and she had about 50 comic book boxes with first run everything oh wow a legit collector and I was like she's gonna give him some comics and she said take them all

the whole collection she gave my son this is the beauty of human beings she gave my son the entire comic book collection for nothing oh my god including posters yeah and so it between mean all of that, it was the jump

off for him to get really to expand his knowledge of it, and he's in a voracious reader of these things. And he understands the genesis of characters and the worlds. Yeah. He understood, him and Gunn, we went to Comic-Con, him and Gunn sat down, we had dinner

afterwards. They were having a deep conversation. Like speaking a different language. And I was like, you know, the 12-year-old boy going to it was hysterical. My point is, my point is, Now, since the fire, my son and I go to the comic book stores in L.A. Every Tuesday and Wednesday, his new comic book day. Yep, today's a big one, yeah.

He's into night moon now and all kinds of other. He's expanded his world. We have conversations now where he'll come to me and he'll make suggestions. And I go, and he'll tell me about character. Yeah. And he'll tell me about my character. Wow. So he's digging back into the Rick Flex senior stuff.

And he'll come in and say, Dad, did you notice Crossbones has been in the last three episodes? of these comic books and I'm like, I did not. Maybe Crossbones was coming back somehow. And so my answer, the long, long, the short answer here is yes. Yeah. And shout out to my son Rio Grillo,

who's, my oldest son is a filmmaker, you know, starting out. And- You're in one of his movies, right? Yeah. Resurrection of Charles. Charles. You're welcome, pal.

But my youngest guy is helping my son with ideas. And it's just fascinating to watch. That's awesome. Yeah, and I think he'll end up in this world. I could relate. I lost my comic book collection in Hurricane Sandy. I got so much water in my basement that I lost it. And then that kind of kicked off where I got real deep into it,

whereas my mom taking me to comic stores. Same thing. Exactly. And, you know, it's really our relationship, because, you know, when you have three kids, you kind of keep them, you do things together all the time. But our relationship has flourished. That's your thing. Because we have a thing.

And he'll come in my room at night, sometimes for an hour, and we'll sit down and he'll, I'm amazed at how articulate he is. That's awesome. And it's made him a voracious reader. Yeah. A voracious reader. It's improved his school grades.

Of course. People talk about comic books like, oh, you're going to read the picture books. You don't realize this is legit writing. Legit literature. Yeah. It's amazing.

Yeah. I know you can't talk about the future DC-wise, but just generally as Frank Grillo, not as Rick Flagg, Sr. Are you excited for Man of Tomorrow being more of a Lex-focused? movie. I thought Nicholas Holt's Lex was one of the best parts of Superman.

Oh, man, he's, you know, he's kind of the heart, the anchor of the movie. He really is. So good. Nicholas Holt, it can do no wrong. I mean, the guy can do anything. He's a brilliant actor, and he's really coming into his own now. He's a real man now. Another guy who's gone Marvel NDC as well.

That's right. And he's just an amazing actor. So, yeah, and I'm excited about that movie, and hopefully... Hopefully we see Rick Flagg, Sr., yeah. Listen, you'll get another phone call if we talk any further about that. The phone will be ringing. I can't say anything now, but, you know, we'll see.

Yeah. And we've got to talk a little bit of fighting because I'm such a big fighting fan. Have you gotten anyone in Hollywood into fighting, whether it be as a fan or actually, like, going to classes and training? Oh, lots of people. Yeah. I mean, there's lots of people who have come to my gym and, you know, started out that way. And, you know, when we did Kingdom, those boys did nothing. They didn't have any fight back.

at all, which was concerning. Of course. You wanted to look real. And I, you know, they came to my boxing gym and, and then it became their boxing gym and, and, and the martial arts that they had started with, they're still, Jonathan Tucker is still in great shape and still, you know, it's part of the fight community. So, yeah, over the course of, you know, 20 years, there's been a lot of people who've come through and, uh, and look, I'm like an evangelist when it comes to, you know, talking about fighting and what it's done for me and, and, uh, how it makes your best.

better man and all that stuff. So I love it. You know, it's my life. Yeah. Would you be able to name a personal Mount Rushmore of mixed martial arts four names that you believe should be on that Mount Rushmore? George St. Pierre. Yep.

I would say, oh, boy, this is a great question. George St. Pierre for sure. You know, I'd like to put John Jones up there, but, you know, you're preaching to the choir. That's one guy that I'm like, on mine, I don't think I could put him on there. I know.

He's the greatest of all time, but there's so many other things. You know what I mean? Which is why he's not fighting at the White House. Exactly. I put Khabi up there, I think. I think that's fair. I think I put Kabeb up there.

God, man, this is a tough one, brother. This is a tough one. I got to tell you, maybe Randy Coutor Okay yeah Old school guy

Maybe yeah Because there's an old school There's an old school element To Randy that was Kind of He's done it all Kind of define that era for sure Yeah

And I have to tell you My last one You know Another guy Who did a lot for the sport But the way he lives Is kind of questionable It's kind of McGregor

You know what I mean I completely agree You gotta have him on there Yeah he'd be up there if he wasn't for what he did for the sport yeah you know he elevated he elevated the sport he made the sport you know um maybe you know because i love him so much and i think he was underrated i'm going to throw matt sarah up there oh matt sarah's the best he's such a good friend of the show i've gone and done his show in long island he's just any another guy who's a huge nerd he'll talk

comic books with you for forever forever and and let me tell you is one of the great bjj guys Yes. The Camara Savage, he calls himself. Yeah, man. I mean, he was amazing. And, you know, some great upsets. And so those would be my four today. And then I just got to ask, I know you're a self-recllaimed tough critic. I saw an interview.

I think it might have been with Matt Serra where you were like, yeah, I hate everything. You got to be real good for me to like it. Right. Do you have any favorites from this year specifically, whether it be movies or TV that you've been watching and really enjoying? Oh, yeah. Sinners. Oh, yes. Hands down to me, sinners was an amazing film.

and everybody in it's amazing it was made beautifully it's a great story i've watched it several times i absolutely loved ciss i do too did you see weapons i saw weapons i'm friends with brolin i thought that was great as well yeah brolin and uh he's always i mean he's brolin so he's always great that was that was phenomenal but to me right now sinners is the film and i and i have to tell you i was blown away by severance yes as as a piece of art i just thought what ben stiller was able to do was was phenomenal. And the way that they were to slow burn it up to the finale, and then everything folds into place.

And that was one of my favorite finalies I've seen in forever. I know. It was amazing. The other TV show that I watched in full, because he's a buddy of mine, was presumed innocent. Oh, yeah. And I thought Jillen Hall just killed it. He did.

And knocked it out of the park, and the show was amazing. I know they're going to do another season. And my third would be Colin Farrell and Penguin. Oh, yes. So three TV shows. You know, I'm not really impressed with the movies I saw this year. Like I said, self-reclaimed tough critic, yeah.

Yeah, but those would be the three. Those were just that, you know, they're top of the food chain. Yeah, I was so happy to see the Penguin clean up at the Emmys because I felt like that was very deserved. Sometimes comic book programs and movies don't get the credit they deserve, I think, because of the genre. Yeah. But seeing like Kristen Milliotie win. That's amazing. She absolutely deserved that for Sophia Falcone and everything.

And by the way, by the way, I'm going to throw in Stephen Graham and Stephen Graham show, too, because that also was. Adolescence, right? Yeah, there was so much. great television so much and I think that's where a lot of great talent is migrating towards because like you said you get an opportunity to live with a character for a bit longer and and tell the story in a better way and you know more than 90 minutes yeah and uh you just get i mean stephen all these people are just you're i'm humbled by how amazing they are well i'm humbled by you coming in giving me the time i really appreciate i'm such a big fan for such a long time so

i really appreciate it everyone Tulsa king season three out september 21st and peacemaker of every Thursday on HBO Max. We're all waiting for those final three episodes. Yeah.