My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 473 - JOHN CENA RETIRES (FROM THE TOP ROPE WITH JARED CARRABIS)

Episode Date: December 14, 2025

Robbie and Jared return to discuss John Cena's final match against Gunther at WWE Saturday Night's Main Event last night, the reaction to the finish, and more. Plus - they rank Cena's top five rivals and matches. #JohnCena #WWE #SNME EDITOR'S NOTE: There was a pre-Saturday Night's Main Event edition of 'From The Top Rope' that was YouTube exclusive. Check that out if you missed if for our thoughts on Survivor Series! **************************************** My Mom's Basement is a weekly podcast hosted by Robbie Fox, started in March 2019, to discuss movies, music, comic books, wrestling, mixed martial arts, and more with his friends and idols alike! Subscribe on iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/my-moms-basement/id1457255205 Follow Robbie on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thatrobbiefox Follow Robbie on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RobbieBarstool My Mom's Basement Merchandise: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/my-moms-basementYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mymomsbasement

Hey, My Mom's Basement listeners, you can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Hello, and welcome back to My Mom's Basement, but not from my mom's basement today. It is from the top rope once again with Jared Karabas, and we're running this back. We just did an episode, and when we did that, I think at the end, we were like, we got to get back in the basement soon, maybe Royal Rumble. And then John Cena had his final match at Saturday night's main event last night. And you texted me pretty much right away.

Here we go. Let's get into it. You said you're available for media. I did a quick 15-minute ramble sash last night. But Jared, what are your opinions? What are your thoughts on John Cena's final match? So I watched it not live because we had our Christmas party last night. So I immediately came home.

I have like the dork party chat. I didn't look like it was blown up. I didn't look at anything. I saw you text to me, you said, fuck. And I was like, I don't want any spoilers, Bob. I was like, I don't know what that means. But you're like, I backtracked. Yeah, you're like, it's because the scene of error is over.

I'm just sad about it. And I was like, okay. Did you buy that? Not really. Like, I took that as he lost. Damn. I didn't take it. I didn't realize, yeah.

No, but like, it's fine because the real, I guess, like, I still had the same reaction that everyone else did like he tap like you didn't say how it happened right yeah how it happened was the was the thing it wasn't if he lost it was not going to surprise me by any means um that was actually one of the questions that we had so we had like the the christmas party last night and we did like a Q&A for an hour and one of the questions was what do you think of uh john seen it tonight and i said i think you know like they started to do like the the unreal like the like k fabs broken like it's just it's a different era it's a different generation I don't think that Sina necessarily has to lose this match because he put over Dom on the way out.

Like he, if you're going to pass the torch, if you're going to leave this place better than where you found it, like putting over Dom is doing that. So now it sets the stage for his final match to be something that's different and it at least leaves the door open for him to win. And I think everyone who bought a ticket to that show last night was probably expecting him to win. I've seen like a bunch of fan reactions being like the crowd just we just wanted to celebrate Sina like we didn't want to feel like we were mourning Sina we wanted to celebrate Sina and everyone walking out it was like we were mourning the loss of John Sina instead of being like yeah like what an ending to a great career it was like man how the fuck can you do Sina like that and like you made the best point last night when we were texting like his whole thing is never give up and he hadn't tapped in over 20 years and it's like All right, kids, maybe there is a time where you do give up. Like, we finally got this guy to give up. All right. Get him out of here.

You gave up. I wanted to read you a post because there's a post going, I don't want to say it's going viral, but it's like at the top of Squared Circle today, specifically about that point. Like, Mr. Never Give Up, Gave Up. And I wanted to read this whole thing to you. It's long, but. Okay. The finish to last night's main event is deservingly everywhere on the internet right now.

The sentiment shared with it, however, is wrong. What everyone is thinking is the one. one who never gave up, finally gave up. He tapped out, which he hadn't done since he became the John Cena we know today, 20 years, it was 2004 the last time he tapped, since he adapted his core message that he spread for so many years as a WWE star. But people are missing one crucial fact. Sina smiled right before he tapped out, which is true.

He gave that little content smile, which says something that he wasn't forced to give up. It wasn't him saying, I can't take this anymore, which is generally what it means to tap out. His gesture really meant that he has. finally found peace, that he is satisfied with what he's done for the business, and he's done everything he could do. His promise was to take nothing with him and to leave the business better than he found it, particularly in the last 10 years. He's come back every time, only to help, not to ask what you got for me, but what can I do for you? Yesterday was Sina realizing that he'd finally done that, that he had given all the momentum back that he had earned, that he was finally

ready to let it go, and that in good spirit, he could say goodbye. And to that, I said, as Jared just said, he passed the torch to Dom. He passed the torch to Cody at SummerSlam. He even put over Brock on his way out, which we can get into that too, because the fact that the fact that he did that was fucking crazy, considering this is how they were going to end it. I assume we're going to build the Gunther and Brock in this super, you know, Haas battle, and Brock will eventually put over Gunther,

and Goethe's kind of a new legend killer, and he's got this crazy resume. That's all fun. And Dan, you didn't have to do both. You really didn't. You didn't have to do the Sina-Brock squash match

in front of all the kids that walked Sina out if you were going to do it with Gunther here because Brock didn't need the rub and honestly, Gunther didn't need it either. Halfway through that match,

I was actually sold on Gunther as the final opponent. I love Gunther. I think he's awesome. He's one of my favorites today. But when they booked him to Messina's final opponent, we talked about it.

We were kind of like, I don't know, there's nothing there. I understand. that he's the next generation and he's the big dastardly heel. So it's kind of like the perfect Sina match type. He's almost 40, though. I know.

That's the thing is he, yeah, he's not like Braun Breaker, who they mysteriously kept Sina apart from the entire run. I've seen some people bringing that up as well. Like we're talking about him as the next generation. He's 27, 28, and he's got a decade ahead of him. They kept them apart. But it is, yeah, it's strange that they went with Gunther, but halfway through the match.

It was like they made the right call because this is the perfect Sina, super Sina, like rise. You could see it building. You could see he was taking the heat all match. You could tell they had the crowd in the palm of their hands. I was like, I'm sold. If this is what the thought was, let's put him against the biggest, just hateable heel that we have. The crowd loves to hate this guy and take you through almost the greatest hits of Sina's career. And he's doing the leg drop off the top rope.

Michael Cole's call in the STFU and the FU. He's doing shit off the top rope. He's doing that feats of strength where you're like, I can't believe he's picking Gunther up like he's a baby right now. But to end it like that, I was just, again, I was like, okay, no, never mind on the Gunther is the final opponent because that's not how I wanted to see it end. And I'm getting a lot of flack for my opinions on this, a lot of flack from old timers. They're saying Bob doesn't know ball now.

They're saying this is the business, it's tradition, everything that you kind of laid out that people say. My opinions haven't changed, though. I was talking to Brandon Walker about this. We both agreed. That tradition started in like a time where the business was way different. It was put over the guy that's going to be here next week because you want to actually make sure that he's able to continue selling tickets to put food on the table for his family. This is the territory days we're talking about.

Goethe didn't need to rub. People aren't going to say Goethe's nothing if he loses to Sina in his final match. It was enough of a rub to be the final opponent to get that honor, to be the person selected, to be like, hey, you're sending Sina into the sunset. So that was just strange to me. It was everything about that. My opinions, again, haven't changed. Like, I'm sticking to my guns. I'm seen a shit of went over.

Break tradition. It's a once in a lifetime. 99 times out of 100. Go with tradition. I understand why you do that. This was a once in a lifetime thing that you're not going to be able to get back. I said if he powered out in, you know,

when they did the arm drop thing. And then he fucking put up the hustle, loyalty, respect hand, which I think has been co-opted by someone else. I said if he would have just powered up, hit an AA, one, two, three, confetti falls on the rafters. People might look at that as like an all-time moment in his career and in wrestling. You're not going to like this comparison. I said it's Jeter walking off in his final up at Yankee Stadium.

That's what people wanted to see. Yeah, I, I, so here's, here's where I'm at. I was fine with him losing, but pin him. Don't have him tap. Yeah. Because then it's like, I haven't passed out, dude. have him have the final message be that he never gave up given the steve austin brett heart finish russlemania 13 give him that finish like having him tap the crimson mask too you were yeah you couldn't

let him get the fucking crimson mask for his final match it it almost i don't know like it's it's it's kind of like when uh when the undertaker lost to roman rains at wrestlemania that didn't do anything for roman it was like yeah well he's just old now like it is what it is like if you If you didn't get the Brock pin at WrestleMania 30, then, like, yeah, it's, it doesn't hit the same. But if Gunther just beat him one, two, three in the middle of the ring, then, yeah, like, I feel like it's like, all right, yeah, like, it's time to say goodbye. It's a little better.

I don't know if I loved scene and it's like smile. I don't know, I don't know what he thought and said maybe he did think he was like accepting fate. It was like he was accepting death or something. It was like, it was so strange. and and you know i've said this so many times on this show i'm not necessarily a scene a guy and i think a lot of that has to do with how he is away from the ring like his interviews are so fucking bland like he like all the like on ticot all the people making fun of sina like doing like skits pretending to be seen in interviews they're all spot on like hey johns you know like

what do you hope your legacy is well my legacy is whatever people want it to be and well i wrote this doesn't matter in the end because you know my career's over and this and that and it's like it's up to the universe dude i wrote one down because i wanted to bring this up someone acts seen on twitter what is the greatest moment of his career he said to humbly accept the reality that it exists why can't you just answer a question say a match say a moment say a city i'm wondering if he's ever going to tell us his favorite match now because his whole career you know he was asked that a thousand times you always say my next one my favorite match is always my next well you're telling us now there's never going to be a next one

you're telling us never not the salty money can get me back nothing can get me back so what's your favorite match i'm curious i'm very curious at this point it's weird did you see he turned it off for rogan a little bit like bill simmons got corporate robotsina and then rogan got like i'm hanging with the bros he code switched but to to bro talk yeah i didn't i was going to watch it i saw it was like two and a half hours i was like i don't know if i got that in me for like sina just because it's good it's interesting yeah yeah i'll probably watch it knowing that you said that but it's way better than the bill simmons one okay yeah the bill simmons one and like the chris van vleet one it's just complete robot talk and i think he won it's not their fault either it's

i think cina just decides who's going to get robot sina and who's going to get my guard is down seen. Who the fuck has ever gotten my guard is down Sina honestly besides Joe Rogen? Like Howard Stern and Joe Rogan. Howard Stern 15 that one that's a great interview that's where he was talking about he was talking about banging like 400 pound

chicks and stuff like that that was I've never seen Sina like that I think that scene is dead you know yeah he doesn't exist that Sina doesn't exist anymore which speaking of sin listen more of it knock on what I don't want to talk about Sina being dead but I mentioned this in my 15 minute ramble last night on the

pre-show Michael Cole was like and we're here to celebrate the final match of John Cena's life that's like don't say it like that it sounded like they're gonna execute him in the ring right afterwards I believe him when he says this is it you know I do too he is and I'm getting a lot of plaque for that too I'm trying to tell like old timers like no no he's really done in there like yeah sure sure kid I mean he's got all the money in the world and he's acting you know like it's not like he's ever and he wrestled for so much longer than everyone else like you could say the rock oh he came back stone cold oh he came back they both kind of like got their careers cut short the rock decided to cut his career short Hollywood stone cold got his

career cut short but the rock never said never for like four or five years exactly he never he never he's still not saying never i think he also did on this show austin austin austin did and then he went back and you know what when they did his retirement match they decided to send him into the sunset with a happy ending and it was the greatest thing we still talk about how awesome that match That was a great match. They said Sting laid the blueprint. Like, they have showed that for an Austin, for a sting, for a John Sina, you can break tradition, and it's not going to ruin anything.

Again, like if Sina would have beat Gunther, it doesn't hurt Gunther and the slightest. Gunther could have won the Royal Rumble, rebounded, and then that's, that's that. But instead, we're going to get Luther. Also, Brock, who gives a fuck about Brock either? Like, so here's the thing. Here's how I feel about retirement. retirement matches and the final match of a wrestler's career or whatever um like i don't consider the kevin oans match to be austin's last match it's the russomania match against the rock it was like a

epilogue yeah like the the uh sean michael's last match it was against the undertaker it wasn't the fucking brothers of destruction and dx like it's like it's like it's nice to see that you've gotten back it's almost like when uh like the yankees do the old timers day it's like yeah that's not my that's not my last at yankee stadium was when i fucking hit a soft off ball over a fake fence. It was when I played it in this game. So I think there's room for Sina, maybe like 10 years from now, just being like, you know what?

I'm coming back to have a match against whoever is. You just said you believe him, though. But this is what I'm talking about. Like, I think it's going to be something like that where it's like. And you don't believe him because he's saying I'm not doing that specifically. He's saying I'm not doing that. That's going back on his word. Sean Michaels.

I love Sean Michaels, but he went back on his word. He got Saudi money, though. I know, and that, that hurt me. I was like, are you fucking kidding me? That was the greatest retirement we ever saw fucking spitting Undertaker's face and getting the fucking jumping tombstone. Then he went back on it and made a disgrace out of that. Yeah, but is it is it not? Your boy, Kane's mask falling off.

All right. Relax. Let's not. Let's not get into that. Everyone had a bad match. There's no need to single anybody out. But it does it not, does it not? I guess come across better

that he came out of retirement in a match against the Undertaker, though? So he's not disrespecting the Undertaker. The Undertaker was in the match. It almost makes it worse that the two of them decided to run it back like that. I think that's just one of those things where we forget that it ever happened

and we just don't talk about it. Oh, totally. I try to get that out of my brain every chance I could get. Yeah, I would go to like Electro Shop therapy if I could get that out of my brain. Yeah, I mean, Takers had too many of those. Takers had 100 retirement matches.

Rick Flair, obviously, he's had 100 retirement matches. I think Hogan had it. Like, Rico asked me last night, what was Hogan's big last match? I was like, he didn't really have like a big last match because he went to TNA afterwards. And he was doing like six-man tags with Rick Flair, where the two of them would blade two seconds into it. They would be on a house show. You're like, you need to bleed on a house show, brother. You're 70.

What's going on? So it's like for Sina to decide this, get it. and everything was perfect. Like the stage, not perfect, perfect, but like the stage was set last night for him to knock that out of the ballpark, for them to just have an all-time, let's forget about how this run has kind of been a flop,

and let's just have a good night celebrating scene. I thought the stars ringside were cool. I wish there was more, to be honest. I don't know if they invited more and just like people couldn't make it out. Was that the surprise that you were telling me about? No, Joe Hendry, that was the surprise. Oh, so I.

I must have fast forwarded too far. I didn't see that. Okay, so right before Sina's final match, the Mizz was in the ring, which I thought this was actually a good segment. He was wearing all the gear he was wearing at WrestleMania 27. And he's like, I'm not letting this retirement tour pretend I don't exist. What the hell is going on here? And Art Truth's music hit.

And Our Truth came out as Ron Sina. And he was like, I've been seeing all this shit you've been saying, we got one more Ron Sina moment. And he said, like, you know, you stole something. And from Adam Pierce, you stole one of those balls. They did the segment where he stole like one of the balls with the names in him. And he pulls the name out and you could read through it said Joe Hendry. And then they just zoom in and Hendry was already on the apron, which really popped me.

He did the turnaround. He was already there. And Hendry and Artreuth hit the five knuckle shuffle on the Miz right before the match, which I did say felt a little bit like the opener playing one of the headliner songs right before they come out. I was like, oh, they're doing the five knuckle. knuckle shuffle you can't see me like sena's coming out in five minutes he's about to do that so they kind of burned him on that but you know the crowd was so loud for scene it didn't matter his entrance that was awesome they kind of fucked him on the stew shot they did you wanted to get a shot

of stew and they kept cutting to the wrong camera right yeah in my living room yelling to the production truck i was like one one go to one go to one yeah he was like what did he say he was like this is going to be weird stew or something like yeah he's like this gonna feel a little weird also people found out last night, Stu's not his name. His name's like Tom Stewart. It's his last name. That's stunned to the wrestling world. We were shocked.

Oh, yeah, I never do that. I love how, I don't know if you watch his vlogs, but like Logan Paul has kind of taken the torch on being the Stu guy. He has. I have noticed that. And you know what? The more Stu, the better. That's what I say.

Logan Paul's vlogs, they're dangerous because I still don't really love this guy, but his vlogs make him a little bit likable. I'll be honest. You, you'll come around. on him. You have to, like, watch his pot. He, like, I understand, it's, it's, uh, you're getting worked, brother. Like, he, he, he's a good dude. He means well, he understands a bit.

Yes. Like, he's done, he's done some dumb shit, like, in his younger years, but who of us have not? Fair. Fair. Fair. I don't like Jake. Jake's fucking great, too. Oh, no. Yes. You're getting. You're getting worked.

You're getting worked. He's a good. He is, he's very funny. Logan, I'll let you go there. Very funny. Very nice.

The glazing on this guy. Fucking Christian three pack glazed donut you, you just put on him. No, Jake. Jake and Logan are completely different than like the YouTube vine versions of themselves. Jake, I don't, Jake,

I can't get behind. Hasn't Jake. I forget, I forget who, who it was. he like there was like a fighter that was struggling and like he like reached out like Ben Astrid that was super nice super yeah like yes I'll defend the Logan ball nice things I'm saying a bad guy can't do nice things what what is he done that's so bad Jake Paul he's just

such a phony the way he has gone about this whole boxing career and I mean he's smart you know I understand he's a businessman he's just you're a mark me and you're mark bob you're a mark I don't if you tell me I'm getting worked by Jake Paul That's fine. Logan, I can tolerate. Jake Paul's, he's this gumback. He talks about fighter pay. I don't think he actually cares about fighter pay that much.

Why would he talk about it that much if he has no benefit? Brother, he signed up with the PFL in 2022 promising a MMA fight by the end of the year. Clock's still ticking. That's never going to happen. He does things that as a personal slide. That's what this is about. It's not a personal slide. It's just he makes announcements that I know aren't going to happen.

I say in the moment they're not going to happen. And the Jake Paul Bobos like yourself say, oh no you're just a hater you're getting worked and then it's four years later and i'm like you are getting so if that's the worst thing you can think of that he's done is that he agreed to do an m-m-a fight and didn't do it then i think he's doing just fine i'm sure he's done more stuff sure he's done he comes after uncle dana all the time got to have uncle dana's bad that that's what this is about you fucking you love uncle dana a little bit yeah they hate each they hate each other you guys you got to defend your guy that's fine that's fine i can that's a little bit of

But I hated Jake Paul way before the Uncle Dana stuff. I was in a Jake Paul blog. I was in the office when he came in. Right. So when he came into the office, I was like, these guys suck. Like, I was definitely in the camp of like the Paul brothers are attention seeking dorks. And like Justin Bieber, his music stinks. Now I love the Bebes and I love the Paul brothers.

They're just, they've evolved. You have to. This is all right. This music's good. Yeah. Same thing with me. Like the Barstool fans, they still. they still hate me for being a loudmouth obnoxious douchebag in 2018 and 2019.

It's almost 2020. Well, they're going to get mad at you for coming after Barstool in 2025, too. Big difference between Barstool and one individual. One individual is the one the most tied to Barstall, no? I mean, that's like coming at Vince and saying don't come at WWE. We stoked the flames a little. They played Vince's voice last night, too. They did, which I picked up on immediately.

up which was weird too and I understand it like Vince basically like gave him his life and was his guy for 20 years but it was weird that the whole night he didn't really get choked up and then the second he heard Vince's voice was like oh really that's the poop guys

doing it for you Sina that was a big part of what I guess left a bitter taste in my mouth not just not just the fact that he tapped out it was the fact that he was even robotic in his final moment Bows, dude.

What was the bow? The boughs were weird, how uncomfortable I think he felt with Punk and Cody putting their titles on him and like asking him to hold up the titles. Did he remember what that callback was? I didn't. Like I saw people pointed out afterwards that Sina and Batista did that to Hogan in 05 and they gave him his titles out of respect when he was done with WWA. I did not remember that personally.

Me neither. I don't think Sina knew what was happening. maybe he did he seems like from the bill simmons podcast and everything he seems to have an incredible memory yeah but yeah that was weird it was it's not a moment that i think most wrestling fans remember maybe i'm crazy and saying that but like when they did that there's not even jogging for me oh they're doing the callback full circle yeah it's not even jogging memory for me i don't even think i've seen that they did the same thing it was like hogan was in the middle of the ring with the two titles and like seeing the callback i was like oh that's kind of cool it

is a full circle moment it was just kind of a specific thing and then no speech what did you think about no speech do you think he's just saving it for the hall of fame were you expecting a speech hated that too like i remember the like the flare thing i mean i don't remember flare speech but it just felt like more he did it on the raw the next day yeah it was like more of a memory like a moment um yeah like there's not many empty the the locker room give a guy a standing ovation type performers that like i don't know i i i i felt i felt like um i didn't love the finish i didn't love how i guess like robotic he was even after he it was almost just like yeah i told you i was leaving all right see you thank

thanks everything bye bye like i don't know triple h booze made it awkward i was like almost like in a weird way i don't i don't root for this to happen because it it hindered the moment didn't ruin the moment but it made the moment weird i was kind of grateful that triple h had to deal with the music face the music in that moment where it was like hey man you're making this moment awkward and i know he in his mind thinks it was the right thing to do the way he was talking on the post show i'm going to do what i think is best for this business and we ushered in a new era of the business do you think in his mind though walking out as people are channing you fucked up and john seen is in the ring one final time is there any

part of him that's like maybe i did fuck up do you think he has that like humility that self awareness so i watched clips of the post show and he seemed rattled by it then. He's getting an AW chance behind him on the post show. Yeah, like when he was like, oh, I thought you guys would be louder. Like, I don't know. I feel like if you're not bothered. Why would you think that?

You just fucking killed their hopes and dreams. If you're not bothered by it, I don't think you acknowledge it, but he did acknowledge it. So there had to be some level of discomfort there. But I don't know, like if you take John C to add his word, he's done plenty of interviews where he has said um like i i don't have i don't choose the opponents like everyone thinks like i'm picking my opponents and i'm going to do what i want to do they're playing the cards i play him like yeah he's always hitting that line yeah the heel turn not my idea like you know you tell me

what to do i'll do it and uh i think that that go if if we're to take him at his word that goes right down to who the final opponent was what the finish was and and how that is true people were bringing up, maybe Sina refused. And it's like, maybe it's his final match. And he said, fuck it. For the first time in my career, I'm going to put my foot down and say, I want it to go like this. There's a chance, I guess. Maybe we'll see it on Unreal in the future. But I think the cards were dealt to him and he played it. I think that's how it always goes. I think that's what he told people on his final run when people were saying, I want to match with Sina and we could make it happen, get the fans behind it. Sina would always be like, I don't know, whatever they

tell me to do i'll do that's how he's ran his whole career yeah i don't know at the end of the day does it really matter it it happened there's no taking it back yeah well that's the thing is that's how i feel about the whole run is like there's no getting that one back that whole final run where we saw an unreal be hard to fuck up page 500 of a 499 page but whatever they fucked it up they did and there was highlights it wasn't all bad i'm not trying to be the negative wrestling fan they ruined everything there's definitely highlights i loved the mini dom feud i love the stuff we talked about on the last podcast but we'll look back at this match and the entire run more as a what if than a remember when it's not a remember how awesome that was it was well it'd be cool if they did that

a little differently yeah i think for me i'm looking to just move forward and move past this because them fucking up his heel turn is at the epicenter of what has turned me off from watching recently. Like I was, like I remember, we were down in spring training for elimination chamber. And when that heel turn happened, I was freaking the fuck out in our Airbnb and couldn't wait to see what happens next. And here we are almost a year later. And I'm like, man, thank God.

that's over so we can just forget about it and move on and uh and how much of that's on the rock a lot of it's on the rock a lot of it's on the rock and fucking Travis Scott uh like Logan Logan kind of aired him out on his last podcast I appreciated that yeah gave us a little bit of insight into Travis got no showing the day the six man tag was supposed to be announced yeah was Logan Sina and Travis Scott against Cody and the USos money in the bank that was I remember that being remembered we were all talking about about like oh yeah apparently Travis Scott's been training they're going to do a six-man tag get his feet wet and figure out what to do with them going from there apparently he no-showed

and WW you can't do that in this business live TV business that's strike one year out basically which is crazy considering like you look back at some of the clips though in the way triple H and the rock and Travis Scott were talking this is going to be my full-time job I want to do nothing but this now they played fiend 10,000 fucking times over a wrestling weekend they were all in on him they attached him to john sina breaking rick flair's record he was like the sole reason why it happened he was john cina's heel turn i don't have to tell you guys you guys all fucking watched along with us and then the rock put out his nice little video for sina right before his match i want to thank you for all the things you've done how about hey man sorry i left you high and dry

so sorry that you know this final run didn't go the way we thought it would at the beginning of it because i think a lot of that is on him and triple h is probably dealing with the brunt of that he probably wants to come out and say that, but he can't because the rock's on the TKO board. Triple-H probably is the rock. Even if he wasn't, even if he wasn't. Exactly, yeah. Like, he's not going to start that drama.

No. Yeah. I did notice Triple H when he kept saying they ushered in a new era last night. Michael Cole had one line when Gunther beat Sina that felt so locked and loaded and pre-plan and Forrest where he said, tonight professional wrestling was greater than sports entertainment or beat sports entertainment and that to me felt like triple h beating him that line where he's saying the vince era is over the triple h era has fully been ushered in like that you know

this was a transition period and now it's fully wrestling wrestling's back in sports entertainment's that and i think there was a sick and twisted part of triple h's mind that thought hardcore wrestling fans will love that because for so many years we were upset about but Vince not acknowledging even the term wrestling. But it's like, yeah, it's just not like that thing. We're chatting Super Sina last night. I tweeted. That was the thing that he was hated for the most throughout his whole career.

And it became the thing. Everyone was like, we want to see one more Super Sina moments. Like what? Brandon Walker texted me. He said, I don't think we got one of those. The closest we got to it was him beating Dom for the IC title. But in the entire run, we didn't really get a huge triumphant. Oh, my God.

That's the John Sina we love and remember. you know he lost the rumble he won the elimination chamber which was awesome but he turned heel right away afterwards and then he spent the next couple months being a heel and you know forcing the chance the fans to chant against him and boo against him and then once he turned face we never got that huge triumphant moment it felt like we were building to it at saturday night's main event but i don't know i i i slightly disagree i think him winning the i see title in boston was the peak of his retirement run and agreed agreed that was the closest we got yeah yeah which like it shouldn't have been you know like that no that should not have been like he probably

should have beat goonther for the title at wrestlemania if what how you know if we knew what was going to play out with j us so his title run you probably should have done something different with cody at rassalmania done john sina beating goonther for 17 as a baby face and you know him overcoming his old age or whatever. That was kind of the storyline going into the rumble. I haven't won a match in so long, whatever. He overcomes that. He beats Gunther.

And then you have him give Gunther the rub at fucking SummerSlam or something. And you could have had him versus the Rock, or you could have had him turn heel. And if the Rock was willing, you know, he could have turned face on the Rock at SummerSlam or at WrestleMania and had the Rockas' final match even. Like you could have gone all that. I'm sure that's, you're asking me a lot.

that point to call a rock back for it but like the rock did fuck them there was no the the fact that he had to turn face by coming out on smackdown the night before summer slam and just being like on my face now yeah yeah seriously like that's that's a big part of what turned me off this past year is they like that's i think that might be one of the first times i can recall where w we just had like they just told us they're like man we yeah it's It sucks. Sorry. It didn't work out, but he's a baby face. Yeah. There's no explanation. I've never seen anything like that.

Yeah. He just is. And you guys get it. And everyone was like, all right? All right. Yeah, sure. Anyway, I got it. I already bought the shirt. Yeah. Did you watch any of the undercard? No. I came home. It's pretty good. To be honest. I like it. I'll probably go back and watch it. Cody and Oba had major chemistry in the, and I know everyone, there was a lot of people that wanted Oba to go over and make a big statement.

and they did the fuck finish. I am a little bit old school in that, like, I was like, he can't put an old open fucking champ, especially after John Cena gave him the passing the torch moment at SummerSlam, like, you can't just have him lose to the guy that's not even on the main roster. Dude, it was awesome. The match was great.

I thought Bailey versus Sol Ruka was pretty good. They had a rough botch in the middle that slowed things down, but they got the crowd back after that. And then AJ Dragon Lee versus Jvonne Evans and Leon Slater was exactly what you'd expected to be. He just flips every two seconds, fast pace, crazy. so it was like again good show overall um just they they they fumbled at the at the goal on tough it is what it is i i'm just hoping that we can move on and like again i it's it's a catch

we will we'll move by like cina said by the royal rumble we're going to be moved on yeah like and he's right sure because we'll be complaining about the fucking Royal Rumble being a Saudi. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, why the fuck am I watching the Royal Rumble at 8 a.m. But the catch 22 for me is that I do believe John Siena deserved a year-long retirement

tour. But for them to just fumble it this badly, it creates a lot of distrust with the audience. And I don't blame anyone. Like for me to sit here and say, all right, yeah, like the retirement tour. was kind of just like it was hanging over everything else because you had to like seen as not a mid carder like he's not just going to like go out there and and have the first match and then you just you know have whatever like he's going to be the central story it's his retirement tour uh so for like it was kind of a throw away year for me because you weren't

able to have many stories that could overshadow or be greater than what's john sena's storyline and who who is he feuding with and who who is he feuding with and who Who's his next opponent? Like, you know, because we're waiting to see Ed show up or Chris Jericho come back and none of that happened. And the fact that you just have like the kingdom of Saudi Arabia bought the last CM Punk match. So there's no way that they can run that back as his final opponent.

And because Orton was a baby face during John Cena's heel run, it's like, all right, well, not even showing up. Yeah, Orton was in Saudi right now. He's in Saudi. He wasn't even in the promo package. I don't know him. Liv Morgan, Grace, and Waller. They're all like Torr and Saudi.

They're at zoos every day. I'm seeing them with like koalas and shit. CM Punk was very explicit being like, there's nothing in the world that would hold me back from being here for seeing his final match. It almost felt like it was a shot at Orton. It was so, so, so strange to me

that Edge, I understand. He's in AEW now. He's filming Percy Jackson or whatever. Probably a tough ass thing to get him there. He couldn't get Orton there in the front row for seen his final match. He better induct him into the of fame or something at that point like strange also how about elias getting the call that was shocking shocking most shocking moment of the night probably i was seeing him in the front i was like

whoa no disrespect i was watching by myself and verbally out loud i was like is that fucking elias yeah yeah i saw someone like the joke was going around uh like haku's front row to make sure that John Sina does business tonight. I said I would have reversed Montreal screw job them last night if he demanded to lose. If it was John Sina saying, I want to lose, I would send him out there. I thought and made the calls the ref. Ring the bell. Soon as he's in the STO.

Yeah, I mean, yeah. The whole thing. The Kevin Owens moment was nice too. Like huge pop when they gave each other a big hug, which was cool. Yeah, it was good to see K. RVD. It was great. Sammy Zane.

Sammy Zane with his kid, too. That was like a sweet moment with Sina. Like the last person is he going to talk to before his final match with Sammy Zane's kid. He was like, here we go. Got to go to work or whatever he said. And then Cody cried for like 20 minutes afterwards. Well, he's a cry baby. He's a cry baby.

No. No, he is. He cries about everything. He's a genuine guy. Yeah, he's got a hard. You know, he wears his heart on his sleeve. He is a legitimate, like, by definition of cry, baby. Yeah.

No, he's not a baby. I've seen, I've seen Cody Rhodes cry. When did he come back? 2022? It sounds about right, yeah. Yeah. I've already seen Cody Rhodes cry more times since his comeback in 2020 than I've seen my father cry in my entire life.

No. No, that's not true. Yeah. No, Papa Garabas listens to in my life. He doesn't shed a little tear. No, he's, he's stoic as fuck. I've seen him cry like twice in my entire life, maybe once. I think I can only recall.

It sounds like a him issue. It doesn't sound like a Cody issue. Sounds like he's got a tear duct deficiency. He might. I don't know. I haven't asked them about it. But, yeah, I've seen Cody cry a lot. Did you see speaking of crying?

You see the kid crashing out on Gunther before the match? No. Oh, hysterical video. You're going to have to watch it. It's this little kid in the front row who I think they cut to at one point. He kind of looked like that kid from Brussels, like the almost like Augustus Gloop look. And he's just. Scream. Let me see if I could pull it up. He's screaming in Goonther's face. He's like, take my hat. I dare you. You're not going to do anything. And Gunther's like, no, it's because I'm civilized and you're not. Just going back in his face, Wade Barracks. Yeah, look.

He's on everyone hates you. Gwinter goes, that's not true. that's not true guthers seems like he's a good guy I mean I saw like the the by the year transformation oh my god it's a whole different person

it's crazy and listen respect everyone for bettering themselves but am I crazy for saying he was more intimidating when he was thick goonther when he was Walter when he was fucking wide as a minivan I loved watching that guy rest still love watching him wrestle

but I feel like the chops and the intimidation factor we're a little bit more when this guy looks like he's a double load and he's coming towards you it's like oh my god either way i watched him wrestle i've told the story before joey janella's spring break in orlando before wrestlemania 33 and it was like two in the morning he had a match against uh one of the former mounties i think he was PCO he goes by now but it was he was wrestling like a 60 year old guy this guy's doing moonsault two in the morning in a gym in Orlando. It was sold out.

It was awesome. But I basically knew in that moment, like, this guy's a fucking superstar. I didn't think he would have to lose the weight to become a superstar. I thought he was just going to be a thick boy superstar. But apparently, story goes, they were like, hey, why don't you get in shape? And he got in shape so fast, they were like, we're pushing you to the move. You can do anything. You're the most coachable guy in the world.

I mean, not a bad gig. All right. Let me get your top five Sina rivals first. Before we get into. matches who are your top five sina rivals um okay so edge number one or is this not in order yeah i didn't pre-plan this i just did the matches okay all right so let me give me your five shot in your head yeah out of order edge orton punk uh batista brock

you're forgetting a huge one the rock you consider the rock a huge one for john sina yeah his biggest match of all time was against the rock and they had a two year long feud

from russlemania 27 to WrestleMania 29 so I have one of those matches on my top five matches but like I don't know that I like WrestleMania 28, highest ball WrestleMania ever, I think. Well, 23 was up there as well.

The 28 is like biggest WrestleMania ever. But he lost. Correct. But the Rock is still one of his biggest rivals because of that. Doesn't make my list. Wow. Okay. Fair enough.

Fair enough. We're going to have different lists. Yeah. Because I'm just going back to like the, the OVW days. And it's like those guys coming out together like Batista Orden. So how would you order? your list like that uh edge punk edge orton punk brock batista okay my list was uh punk number one for me rock number two okay edge number three orton

for A.J. Stiles, number five. Okay. So I loved their matches. The matches were fantastic. Yes. Their matches were fantastic. I just, like, rival. There wasn't much story. There wasn't.

It was, I want to be the best. It was the face of TNA versus the face of WWE finally clashing. And that is why it's like, it's number five for me. There were much better stories and promo battles. I think the matches were so good. and they kind of threw a perfect game. They never had a bad match with each other that elevates to that level. My honorable mentions would be Kevin Owens and Umaga.

I think the two of them had like very unique rivalries with Sina that maybe weren't his biggest rivalries, but like we're my favorites. The Kevin Owens and Umaga ones. What was that, 07? Umaga was 07, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So like, like I said, I stopped watch wrestling when Kane took his mask off in 03 and I came back when you put it back on in 11. So I missed a lot of his prime years.

I've gone back and watched a lot of these matches, obviously. And honestly, Sina's in-ring prime, I think, hit after you came back. I think his best matches were post-2010. But he was already like super Sina in 2005, 06, yeah. I just think his in ring matches were much better in, say, the United States Open Challenge era than they ever were in his career. like prior to that yeah to me it was like he was new to me ish then but also in my mind was like almost a nostalgia act in like 2013 yeah but that's why i feel like his like 2014 2015 run was also so

hail where it was like holy shit this guy's breaking out springboard stunners and hurricane rana's against punk and you know the raw match in 2013 he started actually like working on his craft it seemed like he took the you can't wrestle shit to heart and he was always better than the you can't wrestle crowd would give him credit for but he really did like expand his move set start working a completely different style i tweeted today i think putting kevin owens over clean in kevin owen's first main roster match was a huge statement it made him and it also like kind of made the next generation it validated the style of wrestling and the style of wrestler that fans were starting to gravitate towards in that era where the Indies were on fire with the Kevin Owens is the

El Genericos, the Young Bucks, the Bullet Club, all of them on fire. Fans were loving that style. And in literally his first match in the main roster, Kevin, Kevin Owens to be one of the first people to beat Sina Clean in his career was like Sina putting the stamp on it and being like, yeah, I'm with this. I understand why you like this. I know Vince would never, but don't you think Triple H would allow for an L Generico run in WWE, or at least an appearance, a reference.

An appearance, yes, yes, yes, yes. A run is tough because Sammy's just like Sammy Zane himself is so over. That name, that commodity, like everything about him is so over that I feel like Generico, like as much as fans do love Generica, I love Generica, I'd go nuts for it. I think 90% of the WWE audience, be like, what's going on? Why is it coming out? So I think, I think how they would do it. Remember, remember how legendary Triple H's cell was?

when mankind said your match isn't going to be against me. It's going to be against Cactus Jack and Triple H went fucking nuts. Yeah. If Sammy was feuding with Kevin Owens and they were going to do like, you know, I quit, hell in a cell, whatever. One of their retirement matches. Yeah. And it's like your match isn't going to be with Sammy Zane.

It's going to be with El Generico. And he's like, no, no, no. Although I do love the ongoing, it's been going on for, like six years at this point, the Kevin Owen storyline that he's the only person on the roster that sees through like bullshit. He was the only one that knew Ezekiel from Elias.

He's the only one that references the show week to week. He gets annoyed when people will interrupt his promos before he specifically mentions them by name. He's like, I was going to mention you. I was going to call you out here. So I do love that as his little thing. He's the

only smart person on the entire WWE roster. And they're like, yeah, that's a He's going to agree. He's one of my favorites. And then your top five John Cena matches. My top five John Cena matches. Okay, here we go. I'll start with number five.

And you're going to say that this is a miss, but this is my favorite. Yeah, okay, yeah. Because I was there, and he went over. WrestleMania 29 versus the Rock. Okay. I'm not going to say to a miss. I do, listen, I do love that match on a very personal, sentimental way, because I was there with my Cina signs and he won, like you said.

Adult Bob Fox thinks the 28 match was a little bit better. That's fine. This is just, these are not great a scene of matches. These are my favorite. They're my favorite. I was there. At number four, one night stand 2006 versus RVD. Tremend.

Yeah. tremendous that crowd that that that was uh that was that was that was like a you had to be there that was a moment in time that if you haven't seen that match just go back and take in the the environment stands a test of time um you're gonna hate favorite pay per view huh timothy shallem his favorite favorite who's that said one night stand oh six he's like the new hot actor he's like number one he's in the dune movies he's the guy that just played bob dillon and he's awesome. He did Cody Rhodes podcast.

Everyone's been saying this guy is a big ball knower. He knows about everything. It goes on Cody Rhodes podcast. He knew the boogeyman's shoot name. He knew RVD got suspended for weed. He said his favorite favorite views, One Night Stand, 06.

He talked to Triple H about wanting to go to a show at the Hammerstein ballroom. Listen to this interview. You'll fall in love with this guy. Okay. All right. I'll take it out. At number three,

the finale of the John Sina, AJ Stiles trilogy. This was Royal Rumble 2017. John Sina versus AJ Stiles. This was unbelievable. Yeah, because I feel like I remember during this time period

they had done the first two and then we were getting the third one and the first two are great but everyone was like we've already seen this like what are they going to do that we haven't already seen blah blah blah blah blah and they came out and put on a match where everyone was like oh fuck like we have done.

They didn't leave the ring. They didn't leave the ring once. No. They're like, we have not seen this. So, yes, the finale. Seena's 16th title, too. He wins his 16th championship at that. Yes.

The AJ Styles, John Cena trilogy, Royal Rumble, 2017 is my number three. You're going to hate my number two, and I don't give a fuck, Bob. I don't give a fuck. I'm not going to hate it. No, you're going to hate this pick. You're going to hate it because you're going to be like, it's fine. You should have it your top five, but two is too high. Okay.

What do you think it is? I don't know. I can't even. I can't even. You already know what my number one is because number one is my favorite. I know what you're number one. I know my number one is my favorite match of all time. It's not my favorite, you know, John Cena match.

It's my favorite match of all time. Oh. So you're going to, yeah, you're, what do you think my number two is? The Firefly Funhouse match? The Firefly Funhouse is my number two. Yeah. I know my Jared. Yeah.

Yeah. WrestleMania 36, Bray Wyatt, the Firefly Funhouse match. I was actually going to. do like the first uh what was that it was russomania 30 their first russomalia match um but yeah i like i like the fun house the firefly fun house match was uh so i like the the buildup and the promos like the m&m this is my legacy that well that was russlemania 30 uh the build up to 30 was greater but the execution of 36 yeah i would agree on that yeah that m&m video package is incredible they were on one for wrestlemania 30 that the monster

video package for daniel brian yeah they were fucking on one the video department that year and then you're big time money to bank 2011 yeah that's my favorite match of all time it's a thanksgiving tradition we watch it every year on thanksgiving um did it this year i assume right every year every year uh this is the the reason for that is because because the Colt Cabana interview podcast dropped on Thanksgiving. So the year that it came out, I believe it was 2014. Sounds right.

Yeah. The podcast dropped on 14. And we were like listening to it in the car. And then we got there. We were like, we got to fucking all. We'd like huddle around and listen to it. And then that evolved into,

oh, who's CM. Like other people like, who's CM Punk? All right. So then we put out like, this is the match you want to see if you want to know who CM Punk is. We put on money in the bank, 2011 and then it just became a Thanksgiving tradition of you know we just watch I love that yeah honestly I had a Thanksgiving tradition for a couple years after that

podcast of just listening to that podcast came out remember my mom being like you got to help clean up and I was like I can help but I need your butts in see I'm punk just drop the podcast yeah and like the next year I was like I'll throw that podcast on he's it's still a fascinating listen the way he's yeah even just him talking to Kolkabana like their best pals at this point is a fascinating listen when you go back and you're like fuck I think it's It does make me sad that they're just not friends anymore, but I know. It's a shame. All right.

My list is going to sound a little bit similar to Jared's. Oh, I'm kicking it off with John Cena versus Rob Van Dam at ECW one night stand, 2006. And a match where I loved Rob Van Dam growing up, but I was definitely against him in this one because he was the outsider from ECW. Sina was kind of like my guy already at this point. It was like Sina, Mysterio, Sean Michaels. I would root for those three over everyone else. So I was rooting kind of against Rob Van Dam,

but it was one of the first matches that I could feel like rooting against the face is a little bit cool. Where I was like, at the end of this, I was like, I'm mad, but I'm not that mad. It's kind of awesome. Like the way everything went down. I was really mad at Edge and Ball Hamer. I was like, RVD, whatever, Edge and Paul Hammond fucked it. number four for me is the finale of the johnsina a j styles trilogy the match at the royal rumble i watched this one at the office because i was the four play producer at the time and i was trying to

describe wrestling to trent and rakes and i remember this match i was just losing my mind and they were like i think they kind of conceded they were like that was pretty awesome like we kind of understood why that was cool i was standing on the bar i was screaming i was like thrown out it was like the Dave Meltzer five-star meme where he's like growing out the stars. Number three, I have a match that I tipped before I mentioned. Another one where it's a personal favorite, a personal list, John Cena versus Kevin Owen's Elimination Chamber 2015, Kevin Owen's main roster debut. Another one where I remember watching it and just being shocked at the end.

Kevin Owens went over clean and I was at my brothers and even he was like, he didn't know Kevin Owens from the Indies at that point. And I had been following his career. My brother just knew him as like, oh, that guy that you've designed for sometimes. And we're both like, he beat him clean? Just clean? John Cena, Kevin Owens.

Number two, easy pick for me. I'm almost surprised it wasn't on your list. I know it's not like a personal favorite guy of yours, but John Cena versus Daniel Bryan, SummerSlam, 2013. Isn't that one? Incredible, just pure wrestling match. Daniel Bryan introduced the running knees as a finisher for the first time? Yes.

Because he couldn't tap Sina out. Right. I'm going to give the tap out rub that really. Yeah. But that match is so fucking good. It holds up so well. I think it's one of Sina's best, like, technical wrestling matches where you're like, what can Sina actually do as a technical wrestler?

You watch that match and you're like, oh, yeah, he's one of the greatest of all time. And you have the devastating ending of Triple H given the pedigree afterwards. The drama is at an all-time high. And my number one, just like you, is Sina versus Punk Money in the Bank in 2011, which is not punk's favorite. Punk likes the raw match better. that led into WrestleMania 29. I always think that's a little strange.

I do love that raw match. I think it's one of the best matches in raw history, for sure. But the fact that he thinks that's better than the money in the big match, always blows my mind. Even seen as, I listen, seen the do with the Hurricane Ron at the end I love, it's sloppy. You know, it's not like a perfect flaw. Like, they have their sloppy moments in that match. The pile driver's sick.

But it always always not rubbed me the wrong way. It just was strange to me that doesn't pick the fucking one in Chicago where he was treated like a god right like the loudest pop maybe of all time like since stone cold steve austin for sure and maybe the greatest like other than rock hogan at rasselmania the greatest like crowd involvement in a match ever yeah for sure that was the uh like you can't wrestle and he goes me no him okay uh i'm surprised neither of us had the edge unforgiving map There's so many. Edge on, there's so many.

Edge Unforgiven. Umaga, Royal Rumble. Honestly, No Randy Orton representation. I know. The tough thing is they had so many matches. None of them were mind blowers. I think their best match is their first one,

SummerSlam OSEF. They had a great hell and a cell match in 2013. That was really good. The I quit match. The I quit match is pretty iconic, I guess. Yeah. What else? I mean, there were so many that I had

on my list that I was like I wasn't going to do it if if I really couldn't get like a solid top five I was going to consider the rumble in 08 just because I was like it doesn't really count as a John Cena match but like it's a John Cena moment his return um what do he tear his fucking tricep or his peck or something or something yeah the scene a matter the the the rock scene a match at 28 I think is up there with the best um one that I wanted to mention the raw match that I like better than the pay-per-view match uh him versus Sean Michaels in 07 And after WrestleMania 23, they went like 56 minutes in London. And it's another one of those like, oh, yeah, he had it in 2007.

When people said he couldn't wrestle back then, five moves of doom, no, no, no. He could go 56 minutes with Sean Michaels in the main event abroad below everyone's minds. So that one's up there for me. The AJ, like the AJ SummerSlam match, I wanted to do one per opponent. But the AJ Somerslam match was great where AJ actually beat him. yeah they didn't have a bad match i mean they didn't have a bad no no no never had a bad match what else did he have i mean they've got him against sean michael's at russlemania 23 that was great i was gonna put that i was gonna fatal four way where they do the shon michael switching

music finish that i was going to put the first brock uh squash match on here not because it was a great match but like if you're talking reactions everyone was like what the fuck did we just yeah dude him and brock in extreme rules 2012 brock's first match back which another weird booking decisions have his lose his first match back but that one's great him brock royal rumble is up there him and set that somerslam before john stewart interfered was like they were on their way to having a flawless five-star classic yeah i remember that though so angry so angry yeah No, no Undertaker match. The United of Champions is pretty good.

Well, they ruined the Undertaker match when they gave them two minutes at WrestleMania. They cut off to literally two minutes, 30 seconds. Yeah, they did it too late. Way, way, way, way, way too late. That's all I had, though. The Kane ambulance match. None of the cane matches make it on.

They were pretty good. None of the cane matches. I like the Ray match when he won the title. The what? The Ray match when he won the title. become champ against seeing him fucking I people hated that they took the title off rate and the same night

I hated what about the what about the big show match that was what launched at all WrestleMania 20 great one he had a great steel page match against the big show no way out 2012 to like fire John Laurenitis everyone is not looking forward to the match and that wound up being kind of awesome

John Cena versus Edge versus Randy Orton versus Sean Michaels backlash 07 that's the one I was talking about where Sean Michael fucking switching music Sina and he goes down onto edge and that's the pinfall

Oh, so good, such a good finish Um, him and Kevin everyone's have, I think a trilogy. I think they have three together that are great. What's his best Triple H match? WrestleMania 22, which isn't even great because the crowd tries to hijack it. Yeah, because they went on

after what? They went on after a lot of good matches that night. They had Ray winning the World Heavyweight Championship. They had Sean Michaels versus Vince McMahon. They had Undertaker versus Mark Henry in a casket match. Yeah, I remember that one. They got a double-wide casket for Mark Henry on that one.

And he panicked the entire time. He had a good Triple-H match, triple threat at WrestleMania 24 against Triple H and Randy Orton. It was pretty good. But I was looking down the list of his WrestleMania matches. I love John Cena. He's the go. He's almost the opposite of Sean Michaels. at WrestleMania.

Like, I was trying to rank them. And I was like, all right, I think the best one is against the Rock at WrestleMania 28. After that, I think it's against Sean Michaels, 23. After that, big show, WrestleMania 20. And then after that, there's really no more matches that I'm like, that's great. And he is 17 WrestleMania matches. But you look at the bottom of the list, and it's like a match against Austin Theory,

that really sucked. That match against the undertaker. That really sucked. Match against the Ms. Main event. That really sucked. edge versus big show versus scene at WrestleMania 25 that really sucked

you're missing you're missing one Bob which one the Fire 5 Flan House match well that's towards the top of my list I have that ranks six that like I have so I have WrestleMania 28 against the Rock 23 against HBK 20 against Big Show

22 against Triple H 26 against Batista I think is pretty good actually and then I have the Firefly phone house match and then after that I have like the WrestleMania 24, 29. I don't even think the first match against Bray is amazing. We talked about it. It was over dramatized with the, do I use the

chair? Do I go against my legacy? It was like, all right, we get it. You're an actor now. Even the JBL match where he wins the title, WrestleMania 21, it's fine. It's like, it's not bad at all, but it's not like a great match that had the crowd on the edge of their seats. The Cody Rhodes match this year wasn't great. Him and Nikki Bella versus

Ms. and Maurice, we all just knew was a proposal in the ring coming that was a weird vibe so you look down the list and his best matches were like on raw and other pay-per-views not necessarily a wrestlemania guy but maybe saturday night's main event is like a metaphor for his career in that way didn't always turn out the way you wanted it to but john sina certainly gave his best gave an a for effort also i saw that tic-tok that you did recently where it was like speak when you see a wrestler greater than john sina and you just spoke yeah and right and right roasted for that well yeah everyone's saying you're spoke for everyone but i was standing there and

travi had the thing and he will go to the next wrestler i wouldn't speak and then he would just look at me and i was like i guess i should say no so he goes to the next wrestler i didn't realize i'm getting roasted for it yeah you deserve people are also saying i just because i i didn't speak or i i said no for like brett hart and undertaker and rock and stone cold and it's like i don't know what scale we're going on either if it's like i'm drafted if i'm Vince McMahon you know i'm not trust me i'm not But if I were running a wrestling company, you get to draft one of these people for your wrestling company. Yeah, Sean Michaels would be my first pick. Sina would be my second on that list in terms of what I said.

It's the longevity. It's sure Brett Hart was a better in-ring wrestler than Sina. Absolutely. I'll give you that a thousand times out of a thousand. Could he put in Sina? No. Could he sell merch as well as Sina? No.

Could he pack houses as well as Sina? No. Could he be in movies like Sina? No. All around that was going on. Yeah. movies do benefit you how you go off to do a movie you come back you're a much bigger star yeah you go off and do a movie you don't come back he was the biggest star he's ever been

yeah but then you you lose them to hollywood no one's going to do a movie and then coming back and working a full-time roman went off did hobbs and shaw while he's full-time he had like a 30-second scene in that movie well made him a bigger star didn't it everyone is like there's the guy from Hobbs and Shaw. Mm-hmm. All right, Jared. Anything else? What month are we in December?

Yep. I'm hoping that Triple H is listening to the feedback from the fans and... What are you going to say? Listen to this. I hope Triple H is listening to this podcast right now and makes the Royal Rumble super exciting. Because I feel like... I hope so, too.

We deserve a treat. like it's i know that like the bloodline last year's royal rumble was super exciting jay winning at that point i was like holy shit they did everyone hated that they were gonna do i like jane it was gonna win so it was like all right they fucking swerved us at the rumble we didn't see that coming i guess but it's like yeah you swerved us but not like that you know it's like we want to spur but not that one beggars can't be choosers yeah i love jay so i mean i was happy with it but i know uh you know the the smart marks were we're not pumped about it but it is what it is i yeah i just like Give me some surprise.

Like, there were no surprises last year. There was no, like... We got a couple. We got a couple here and there. Oh. I don't remember, but I remember being like her. They gave us a couple surprises. Alexa Bliss was a big surprise last year.

That wasn't a surprise. I knew she was coming back. She told me. She did. Mm-hmm. All right. I'll let you get back to Alexa then. Fine.

Thank you. All right, Jared. I'll talk to you, you know, maybe we'll do a pre-show rumble. If things are heating up by then, maybe we'll do, we'll definitely do. We'll have to leaden into the road to WrestleMania. Maybe we'll do that the night of the Rumble since it's going to finish by like noon. Oh, last thing, Bob. Last thing for me.

Okay. People have been asking if we will stream WWE pay-per-views. I would say, I would say probably not the Rumble because I'm probably going to have people over again. Probably be locked in for that with a party vibe, yeah. Yeah, but I think if there's like another show. Chamber would be a super fun one to do it, actually. Like, we're all getting excited for WrestleMania. Next year we'll do Russell.

I'll probably wind up going back to Vegas, I would imagine. I usually go every year. But when it's in Saudi, guess what? I ain't going. So maybe next year we could stream WrestleMania two nights. Make it a fucking spectacular. Yeah, I'm down for that. Can we sell out House of Blues like you did for her socks?

I feel like we might be able to. Yeah. Well, WW would sue the fuck out of us for that. No, right? We're not, no, I don't think so. I probably, we probably, like, we wouldn't be able to go. I'll talk to trips. Yeah.

We'll see if we could get some rice, some clearance. Yeah, I'll give a call. Yeah. She'll pull some strings. Yeah. Yeah. All right, Jared. We'll talk to you later.

See you.