My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 476 - STRANGER THINGS 5: FINALE

Episode Date: January 2, 2026

Robbie and Clem return for their first episode of 2026 - recapping the ending of #StrangerThings5 for almost as long as the episode itself! Did the Duffers land the plane? Did they deliver a 'Game Of Thrones' level botch?! How do we rank the seasons overall?! All of these questions are answered! #StrangerThings ****************************************   My Mom's Basement is a weekly podcast hosted by Robbie Fox, started in March 2019, to discuss movies, music, comic books, wrestling, mixed martial arts, and more with his friends and idols alike!   Subscribe on iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/my-moms-basement/id1457255205 Follow Robbie on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thatrobbiefox Follow Robbie on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RobbieBarstool My Mom's Basement Merchandise: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/my-moms-basementYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mymomsbasement

Hey, My Mom's Basement listeners, you can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Hello, and welcome to My Mom's Basement and a very special edition of My Mom's Basement, where we will be breaking down the Stranger Things series finale. It's going to be a great one today, Klam. We talk about special episodes, very special episodes, extravaganzas. I think this episode, you could throw all of those adjectives out there, because it's huge.

This is the show that, you know, we've been recapping not only the last couple months as we're re-watching it, but for nine years now. It's crazy that it's finally coming to a close, but what are they saying, Avengers? The end is just part of the journey. There's something like that.

I don't know. We're at the end. There's an aerosmith's line, Life's a Journey, Not a Destination. There's a lot of things. Speaking of words, though, Bob, this felt like kind of a big episode here. You threw very.

You say very for like, when we're talking about, you know, what steelist actor is going to be a bitroll on Marvel. I guess we'll put all caps vary, but you didn't even accentuate it. It's not even involved. Oh, man. Extremely. It's the first one of the new year. I don't know.

Very special. I should have hit a happy New Year maybe. Yeah. So listen, I'm off a 6.30 a.m. flight this morning. I woke up at 2.30 to get up for this flight because we had to drive an hour to the airport. I also took a drama mean on the flight. flight right now i feel like i'm on that russian truth serum from season three where you're gonna get everything out of me today it's it's one of those things where you're like i shouldn't have this

much energy but i do and i'm doing stuff that i usually wouldn't say oh boy we're in for it with bob fox a buckler getting the real takes today fasting your safety belt and please enjoy the flight folks and the takes were flying i talk to you about it talk to kFC about it the night of the finale. I watched a little bit later, but got to go on Twitter and then see, first thing I saw was your tweet, which was a giff of a plane landing, which I was watching the gif. It was such a slow gif.

I was like, is the plane going to blow up when it hits the tarmac? Like, I don't know what the gif was going to be, but you tweeted the plane landing gift. I saw a lot of positive stuff the night of since I've seen a lot of negative stuff as well. So the discourse is in all directions for the Stranger Things finale right now, which hopefully will help this episode. shout out to everyone who made the last episode, our biggest non-guest episode of the year at the buzzer,

which was crazy, right? Right at the buzzer. Yeah, we love that. So make sure you subscribe and like this video and everything, but we're going to break down everything today. Before we get into the like nitty gritty, I think broad strokes was, Mean Clemple really, really liked it.

We went from No Man's Land to feeling like they did land the plane. Yeah, I forgot we had said they were kind of in No Man's Land, but I do think they had enough runway with all the years of the show and the fact that Dufford brothers had this is their baby from day one so they could kind of like do whatever they want but they could get back to uh bring in the heart of the show back and we would have a finale like we got i liked it i liked it really liked it i think you could even say Robbie loved it but Robbie loves basically everything the fact that you didn't love or even like volume two was the first time yeah oh my god i don't know if he's changed or

it was just that had its unevenness we'll say it wasn't a bad volume but it had its problems and i think a lot of the things people are complaining about with the finale could have been fixed or not been an issue if they had maybe reworked some of this stuff in two taking care of some of that stuff and then maybe changed three who cares the plane landed i said that gift it's actually honestly hard to find a gif of a plane landing where it's not ridiculous or like something crazy happens at the end so that's why in the people who were like i was waiting that whole time like i'm sorry guys i wasn't trying to put a It was like, I felt like it was, you know, like Steve Arrington falling.

I was like, oh, we'll get to that. We'll get to all of it. I think for me, the finale, I said they nailed it. And I got a lot of eight percent. No, they didn't nail it. They could have done this. They could have done that. Nailed it to a cross.

I saw. Yeah, I saw that. Yep, I saw that. I never said it was the perfect finale. And I don't think it was the perfect finale. I think it's very hard to achieve that. I would say they weren't even playing for a perfect finale because of volume two. I don't know if that's unfair to say, but I felt like with how volume two set this up,

they were shooting for like a 9.5 or a 9 highest score, where it was almost, if I can make a sports analogy early on on the podcast, almost felt like someone missed weight right before a title fight. And then they still won the fight. So in our minds, they're the champ, but we can't give them the title because they missed weight. You know what I mean? Does that make sense?

Like there are little things here and there would have changed. But for the most part, I'm like, no, but you're the rifle, champ. I get it. I walked away happy. And listen, when it comes to, like, this prestige TV or these smash hit shows and franchises, when you have the finale, I'm dating, as an old man, I'm dating back to not only Sopranos, which was a very controversial in it. I'm talking Seinfeld, which people hated at the time.

And then they basically redid it on Curb. People loved it, not realizing they're basically, you know, making a parody of the Seinfeld one. it's so hard to land these giant planes and then it's like we've kind of been presented in the last decade or two or whatever it's been with two test cases the Breaking Bad everyone was pretty much satisfied by the end and the Game of Thrones were everyone was pretty much pissed by the end

and I was just like just get us in the middle preferably a little closer to Breaking Bad but I don't want to be like I can't believe they thronesed it and listen there were some there was some shared DNA with the End of Thrones and Volume 2 And that's what scared us so much. But I was also like, I easily think they could nail it. I wasn't going to bet my life on it because I've seen it happen the wrong way.

And this is the other thing we're able to realize. These two idiots on this show, especially the new viewers, thank you for coming to watch. We have to review basically all the nerd stuff. So we're doing the Marvel shows. We're doing the Marvel movies. We're doing DC stuff. We've done this month. Star Wars, by the way, Star Wars stuff.

We've had some stuff that has been terrible, some stuff that has. been divisive some stuff that has been great so you're just hoping for the best expecting the worst and then in the end when it's good just say it's good and this is the thing everyone is getting bent out of shape because they're just sitting at home plenty of time in the holidays and just looking online and getting mad at the people who disagreed their pizza who cares it's not our show it's the duffer brother's show we love the duffer brother's show at some point you probably loved it if you made it all the way to year their show you can say what you like if it wasn't the way you wanted if Will and Mike didn't start dating,

if that was a thing. They didn't kill seven of your favorite characters. That's fine. That's what you wanted. We learned this in True Detective Season 1. Reddit made the greatest show I've ever heard in my life. And then it came, it was like, eh, it was there right.

It wasn't really great. The Yellow King was just some weirdo, and there was no symbolism and crazy stuff with Jesus Christ and the devil, all this stuff. In the end, I left happy. I liked the long prolog, epilogue, Epilogue, whatever they did. Epilogue. And I got to be with the characters that I have loved these last, you know, this last decade now at this point. And that's all I really wanted. That's why I didn't like volume two because I didn't get enough of that hangout time. And now in volume three, they're like, oh, no, you're getting all that and then some. So in the end, I'm happy. Four balls out of five. That's what I gave the finale. Four balls out of five, I'm right with you. They put it on letterbox, which people are mad about because it was in theaters and whatnot. So it's.

I thought what would my rating be? It would be four out of five for sure. I put out a tweet saying, hey, did anyone go to the theaters? I wasn't able to. There wasn't a theater near me in South Carolina that was playing it. But I got like basically universally positive messages about what the theater experience was like. We saw some videos on Twitter of people reacting to the big moments. Very cool.

I got tweets being like, I haven't seen an audience that fired up since end game. People were like raving about it. So that must have been super cool to see. I saw it made $25 million, something like that in one day. They were doing showtimes every 10 minutes in some theaters. It was crazy. Really? It was literally like 9 o'clock, 910, 920, 930.

It's insane what a cultural event this felt like, especially on a holiday. And that hopefully is a good thing for when this Warner Brother merch happens. And Netflix's like, hey, there's money in them theaters, you know. Keep mining there, Netflix down the road. As a fan of the theater myself, I would. wish i could have gone i really wanted to go and unfortunately like around here everything sold out like instant it was you know typical website down things were broken and by the time it went up it wasn't really like seats were in crappy spots and then i have two kids well one kid who watches

so she would have come with us but then the other kid he doesn't you're doing new year's it was very tough but i think and hope they do stuff like this because listen seeing like a big movie is great because like uh and not obviously like a a movie like end game that is new, fresh, and everyone sees it. But if you ever go to an old movie re-release, so I saw Die Hard. And not only are people cheering when McLean comes on screen and Hans Gruber, but when Ellis comes on screen, it's like, oh, that guy, that little.

And everyone has, like, the inside jokes. You get a show like this that has all those episodes and hours of content, and everyone's laughing, crying, screaming when Steve falls. And everyone, it was like, I was like, man, I really wish I was there. So I was pretty jealous of the people that were at the theater. I was, too. And I heard nothing but great things. And those are the people that, like, I'm going to listen to, like, not just the positive people, but it's like, I'd love to hear what those people thought of the fan.

And I'm pretty sure they're not the ones on Twitter. Like, this is the worst thing ever. Listen, if it bleeds, it leads. I know negative negativity does more clicks than positivity. I'm a Giants fan. My blogs, when we're terrible, do better, which is pretty much all the time when they suck. That's just how it is. And that's how your Twitter stuff going viral.

I see the stuff going viral. I'm like, the littlest complaint. I didn't see what happened to soon. Susie. Who gives a fuck? There are a bunch of... People asking, where's Max's mom? Who cares?

We never cared. We're middle... These are middle schoolers. They met in summer camp. They broke up a pride just like didn't talk for a few years and maybe down the road they met at a bar in New York City. It was like, hey, we went to camp together, blah, blah, blah. Max...

People call these plot holes, too. These aren't plot holes. These are just like story threads from last season that they decided not to follow up on because they weren't important. Yeah. And listen, like the Max's mom thing. We've said this in the past. like, oh, you know, these kids are just out for days.

I have been rewatching 80s with my kids, Goonies, E.T., all this up. The kids just are gone. They just leave for days. And it's like, they literally had, it was at a point where, uh, I think it was, the Reagan started this was a, it's 10 p.m. Do you know where your children were? Oh, yeah. They literally said that on TV to make you be like, oh, yeah.

Let me see if my daughter is, you know, out of her coma yet. Or let me see where my son is. And if he's not getting into like a bunch of stuff with these upside down. So, again, there's just a lot of criticism. I think some of it is valid, and I'm sure we're going to list some of them here as we break down the episode. I think someone that's crazy. But in the end, it's your own opinion.

So, like, if you love it, hate it, ever since the last Jedi, I've realized we can look at the same dress. Some see it as blue and white. Some see it as black and gold or whatever. And it's just, it is what it is. I'm not going to get angry about other people's opinions anymore. You know what I try to do with criticism? And I hope this doesn't come off like hypocritical, because I know we really.

really get into the nitty gritty of Star Wars and Marvel and do it on this show. But in general, with criticism, I try to imagine me saying it out loud to one of my cousins or an aunt or an uncle at a family party. And I think if I went up to one of my cousins or an aunt and uncle at a family party and they were like, hey, what did you think about Stranger Things, the finale? And I said, it sucked. I didn't see fucking Max's mom anywhere. They didn't tell us, I think they would look at me like I had 10 heads.

And they'd be like, oh, like, that's what you're upset about? I try to put it through that lens. You've got to do that where it's like, how would a normal person react to this really niche criticism? Most of the time they would go, all right, this is a fucking nerd. I'm going to go talk to someone else at this party. You got to try to run it through that test in your head. And again, I know I'm sure people can pull up clips of me being like, that's not the Cat in Star Wars, Khyber Crystal Saber. And I would sound ridiculous.

But I do sound ridiculous sometimes. I acknowledge that. So some of the posts that are going viral, these are all the plot holes. and people don't know what plot hole means anymore. Yeah, and listen, it's the same thing with sport. You see with like Brandon Walker. It's like, oh, man, like that was a big one in my mississippi. They'd be like, like, fuck you, you, redneck hip, I'll be fucking die.

Your fucking family's the worst people in the world. Would you say that to Brandon Walker if he's walking street? No, you wouldn't. So just keep that one to yourself. Yeah, you'd probably get arrested for being a lunatic. So, again, the, you know, people who follow me is not a general population thing, and everyone thinks to use. But I asked,

After the finale, the Stranger Things finale was, and I had great, good, meh, and bad. Great, ended up getting 28.6%, good, 39.2%, meh, 19.6%, bad, 12.7%. And this is a Twitter, Paul, I couldn't do five. I wanted to put, like, awful in case we had the people that really hated it, like the Game of Thrones ending. In the end, why would I have done that? Because bad was only 12.7%. That's crazy, too, like you said on Twitter, where, like, it's negative. You think it was flipped, right?

Based on what you're getting on your feed. To get most of Twitter to vote good or great is incredibly impressive to me for a finale. Like you said, we wanted it to be a little closer to Breaking Bad than Game of Thrones. It definitely is, in my opinion. And the pantheon of like finale's, it's closer to the top than it is the bottom for sure. Yeah. I mean, that's just my opinion. And listen, guys, we're not going to do all the like everyone's opinions.

But I do think after the finale aired, that was the first day or so. worth of chatter was what everyone thought along with the volume two stuff which after volume one I was like oh that was like it was like it went so quiet after volume one that everyone just kind of liked it and was like all right we're moving volume two definitely changed the outlook for a lot of people and then got the pitchforks fired up and let's be honest like the guy who owns Twitter he's kind of like a real life mind flayer kind of so he might want that negative stuff so then it bubbles up and everyone's just arguing online instead of everybody agrees with me let me close my phone and go about my day no You just go back and forth and you start arguing over stuff. Get some more clicks, gets more engagement, all that good stuff. So, hey, the Basin Poys are here. We're going to have a good time in the basement today. Recall it, we loved, we liked, we didn't love, we hated. It's all there, guys.

I got plenty of notes here. And I'm, there's, I have some gripes. I have some old man gripes. Same. Let's get into it. Let's get into the nitty gritty, the meat and potatoes of this episode. The meat and potatoes, what's an upside-down version of saying that? Let's get into the gorgans and bats.

I love when they've called them just gorgans, all the gorgans. Yeah, the gorgans. And let me, we'll just put that one there. That's the old upside down. The new upside down, it's nothing but basically just like dark air. It looks like the streets are in COVID. Yeah. There's a gripe right off the bat.

It's not something that's world breaking. It's not something that I was upset at the finale for. But there's one thing I would have changed. When we get to the upside down, when we get to Dimetion X, where'd the bats go? Where'd the dogs go? where the demigorgans go it was kind of like a scary oh you turn any corner and they're going to be lurking they were gone it was it was vacant i'll be honest bob by the end of the episode when it was over and credits roll and i went on zillow and started looking for like houses on

dimension x i'm like there was literally one monster the entire place other than that seems like there's breathable air weather seems like it's warm and uh like it's get a lot of land for a little i would imagine out there it is the least scary place on earth i say or the universe i should say yeah all right let's let's go at the start and kind of go through the episode we got military start which immediately i was worried when we start with like linda hamilton and her entire squad i was like oh boy let's not do too much military this episode right but we don't really do that they show us the gross vechn the layer with that heart pumping at the top of it as he strung along to it the kids with their tubes in the mouths and dementia x is broken we know the worlds are about

to collide. Erica hitting the real shit hasn't even started yet to Mr. Clark and then getting him to curse back to her. Very funny, the goddamn line. And then I just knew they'd have to climb that radio tower. I knew when they got in there. And this is one of the things that I would have changed actually.

I would have put them climbing the radio tower in the penultimate episode in volume two. I think that could have been a much cooler cliffhanger of like, oh shit, we're about to go to dimension X. and that's the oh my god and then it would have probably allowed for 10 or 20 minutes of the finale to be dedicated to a harder battle i think it would have been cool if everyone i saw the the duffer brother said like we wanted to design this so everyone had a very specific role i didn't get that from them going up to dimension x like i didn't feel like lucas had a very specific role he gets a cool moment where he gets to save dust and he gets little things to do here but i thought it would

have been cool if it was a much more of a strategic plan the entire way through where you have to do this and you have to do it's like a Rube Goldberg machine or something where like the perfect chain of events had to happen among the squad. I thought that would have been one of the things I would have changed about the finale. Yeah, where you're embracing everyone's strengths of their weapons, right? Lucas still has the wrist rocket. Nancy has some Dungeons and Dragons parallels. Yeah. Yeah. Dustin's the brain so we need him to be doing the brain stuff. Steve being the grunt with them and Dustin had it too, the trash can and like the spear or whatever that that actually i'm with you on that and i even think if they had ended in volume

two with like uh and again this is just the marvel fan of me that eats the slop give me like the kids in the truck they're going towards the upside down and they just play like five minutes of flashbacks and everyone would have been like oh here we go right we already got Avengers doomsday chris evans is back it's like are we really doing this but here we go again they could have done it i just think that was the problem that drove everyone crazy and i'm going to this the last time talking about volume two i think if they break it up differently if they have one giant release or they don't have it where it's maybe it's just a weekly release if there's basically anything but weeks of waiting you get that it ends the way it did and you're just wanting

more i think that is what attributed to a lot of the stuff and i do think when this one started off i was like all right like we're going and i would have liked more of a high stakes danger we're in a like a you know when you're playing a tough video game you're like oh i got through a level two And level three just started. I felt like we were just kind of coasting the entire time. There was a couple of like, oh, my God, I hope that they make it out of live moments, but there really weren't a much. And you know what was actually my first note, 11 and Mike actually talked.

They started the episode talking to each other. The biggest relationship of this entire series dating back to season one. I was like, oh, they acknowledge each other. They're in the same. They can see each other. That was nice. And we did get a couple of those really good conversations in this episode. I thought the talk between Mike and 11 was great.

The talk between Mike and Will is really well done. in terms of just like hey dude we're friends we're best friends like this ain't going to change anything i'm very sorry for you know how i was acting before like that stuff i thought was very mature well written um we do get a papa flashback we called that one we said at some point papa will return somehow some way like emperor palpatine he will be back he was back in a very very quick flashback we see l go into the tank um and then l and collie i think it's in collie right Is that how you're supposed to say that? I think I said Callie last episode.

So I think different characters said it different ways because we had the same debate. How are you going to say at the rest of the episode? Because I'll try to follow it. I'm saying Callie. I'm saying Callie a Mario guy. I can try to say Mario as hard as I want. It doesn't matter. It's going to go back to Mario.

Call her Papalteen. No, I don't even call her that. I call her eight. She's just eight to me. Yeah, eight. We can call her eight. Yeah. They go into the dreams or memories of Vecna, yeah.

Are we sure we're allowed to say eight? Do I have to have the powers? Is that like, is that a problem? I don't want to get canceled for calling her. You've got to get an eight card. I have to move this screen with my hand in order to say eight. We see them going to Vechna's like memories and stuff, kind of what Max was talking about, where she was like, I need to be the one to like lead you through this.

And we see like a weird eyes wide shut style play. Then they finally make it through that. You see him sitting at the table with all the 12 kids. They're all possessed and whatnot. The planet is now descending and collapsing into the radio tower. And a lot of people made these jokes. And I wrote it down in my notes. I said it's hysterical to go from a missing kid in season one to planets colliding in season five.

But I didn't like a lot of people are using that as a legitimate negative. I just think it's funny. Like Fept and Fury started with let's steal some VCRs and they're in space now. That's what happens to these franchises. They're in space. They're driving cars in space club. So it's like, I don't know. You've got to up and up and up the stakes where it's going to get ridiculous in the end.

It's been 10 years. And I mean, again, it's not just a missing kitten season one. We also had that fucking insane monster with a demigorgon head. It's like this was always an insane show. It just got to almost like an Avengers level in season five. Yeah, it is what in a lot of the gripes that, especially with the final battle, I saw people like, what is this show? It's not the season one.

We just did the rewatch. And I, season one and two are still my favorite seasons of the series. I like that show more. I also realized it got bigger. It was like Netflix's like cash cow and there was budget, you know, they had bigger budgets. I'm sure the Duffers were like, I'd love to do a movie or a show like this because these are 80s fans. There's different kinds of 80s horror movies. And at the end, it just began this giant monster movie instead of just like a guy haunting.

people and, you know, Freddy Kruegering them in their dreams. So, you know, even like that, Freddie Krueger went from, like, crazy just wanting dreams to, like, became like this own little monster, crazy stuff. So, uh, yeah, I can't get too bent out of shape, but I understand all the people that are upset about it. Now, did we know going into this volume that Max was, this is, they were going to take Max into the upside down with this? Because when she felt the water around her feet and then I,

realized and then vicky drops the cereal or whatever and she's like the eyes are twitching i was like that's bad and then i was then alerted through the show that it was actually good and the plan did not know i thought i got her yeah and i think they wanted you to think that but i did see speculation before the episode i think they were shots from the trailer of the three of them together so people put it together that they will be together so as soon as she you know went into that abyss type zone, not the abyss, but it's the void or whatever it is they call it. I did get the feeling.

I turned to Lady Fox. I was like, I think this is L. I think this is not a bad thing that we think it is. I thought it was cool that she was wearing the checkered vans. You know, the rocker and me appreciated that for an 80s trope there, because I'm still rocking them.

It's 2026 and I'm still rocking the checker vets. I said to my wife, I said she's wearing Robbie's shoes right now. Yeah. And chest feet, as they called them overseas. And again, they probably mentioned.

that Max had to go there in volume two, I just had forgotten. Yeah. I think they did. I think she had mentioned that like she could lead them through memories of some sort. I thought that stuff was pretty cool. I thought the stuff with like hiding the kids was really cool and, you know, the master collie, the master illusionist is hiding them and Vecna's looking for where they are and they'll just be in quiet past the door. But this is where we get the first major awesome moment of the finale, I would say, when Steve falls off the radio tower and these motherfuckers they they have steve fall they they show us his hand and it's like nobody grabbed him and then they hit a black screen for what felt like two hours i was like

oh my god when does the show come back and then when you see the hand my mind goes right to dusty bun he saved his guy steve if you die i die that's a little bit of fake out too because it was jonathan that saved him and i thought that was a really cool moment as well i like when they go up there and they say suck it Armstrong, group goes up to the abyss, and they get through that, you know, weird slime entryway or whatever. I thought this moment rocked, and the videos from the in-feeder reactions to this,

as I mentioned, were awesome. I would love, and I wonder if you could find them. I'm sure there were people who are recording themselves watching it. I'd love to see the reactions at home as well, because I know we did the jump, and then it goes black, and you're freaking out, you see the hand, you're then seeing it's Jonathan, and all the reactions from all that.

And that's, Thrones had a few moments like that during like Battle of the Bastards. Yeah. And some of the big battle episodes where you'd have the, oh, God, it's going to happen this way and you get the reaction. Red wedding and much different state or, you know, a kind of reaction for it all. I was, I loved it. Like, I was,

I wouldn't have loved it as much as Steve died. But I just, I liked the way they did it. It made it feel like, all right, we're in the end game now. It's all in championship. I got bumped up right away. We were like 10 minutes since the episode. I was like bumped up. That's counter one.

I needed that. Now, my question to you is Jonathan obviously had gone through all the stuff with Nancy. She knew, he knew they were broken up. And he also knew that she was never interested in Steve anymore. That ship had sailed. Do you think if he doesn't know that or he's still fighting for Nancy? He hits him with the old scar to Mufasa long live the king and just lets him go. He's like, I'll say good night to Nancy for you tonight.

And then he just lets him go. and Steve is doing the Mofasa as he goes down into the wildebeest. Because honestly, I, I don't, I wouldn't put it past John. Because, like, Jonathan's pure, man. Season one, he was a bit of a pervert, but season five, Jonathan, he's pretty pure. He's pure. Bob, just remind me, not to get too far ahead. What's the, what's his movie in NYU about?

An anti-capitalist, cannibalist? Is that a cannibalism? Yeah. So the pure guy who was also creeping people with pictures. And like after Steve almost died, he said, yeah, by the way, I still hate you. You're telling me that guy was going to bring Steve up. He's pretty much.

He's just got, you know, crazy artistic vision. In the words of my girl, Gloria from Whitman can't jump. Sometimes when you lose, you really win, losing Nancy is the reason Steve won his life back. Because that fucking, I'm going to say it. I'll say the P word. that poor fuck Jonathan would have thrown his ass to the fucking ground if he hadn't you know known that I mean at this rate at this rate it was like no one's getting Nancy

so he didn't mind and bring Stephen because the other side is you need as much hands as you can get if you're fighting an interdimensional being made of pure evil so I truly think Jonathan drops his ass there we'll get to an abandonment in this episode that I think is much funnier we'll get to okay a little teaser by the way and I One other thing that I had before this, when 11 gets to Vecna in the void, she, like, touches his hand or something. We both saw it she was touching his dick at first. And I'm like, what is going on right now? Yeah.

She went right for the midsection. And I can't tell what's what with all the little. I'm going to have to rewatch that. I did not get that. Yeah. I said, I thought she was. And I was like not looking for it. I'm like, what is going on?

Yeah. That's where we get the moment where Callie's hiding the kids. And then I thought this was so fucking metal. First metal moment of the episode, Vecna rolling up his sleeve or Henry rolling up his sleeve to reveal the Vecna arm growing. He starts going after it. And then when she gets him on the table, stabs it and no one's there at that. It's like, oh, the illusionist just got out illusioned.

Another moment where I was like, that was fucking badass. That was a cool scene. It was maybe my favorite scene with him and the kids. I liked the scene in volume two where I said he got up and he grabbed the piano and did the transition there. But this was another scene where I was like, okay, we're afraid of him again. I saw someone point out like he was breaking bones and ripping eyes out last season. Then he was just kind of hanging with the kids this season.

This made me afraid of him again. Yeah. And the one time he got us in volume two was when he's like, Derek, I'm going to do this to your family and they're all eyes popped out. He's calling, you know, this little bitch. and he's having a little zest in his voice, a little extra fire. The illusion that 8 does

got me excited for the X-Men, a little Professor X back in our live, I feel like that's something on what Charles would be pulling. And I don't know if anyone else had the same thought, but they're like, we're going to show you the monster. I'm like, how are they going to show

that he's the monster? My girl 11, do you know what she did there? She pulled what we call in the class of the club, a little Danny Ocean, where she does the thing. where she tell she you know test turn on the TV and you get to your terry bennick say he'd trade test for his money and it's like hey who's the bad guy here and in the end i have to appreciate i would like to think that that was an ocean's 11 homage however this show takes place at least a decade before oceans 11 this version of that version of it was ever aired on the big screen yeah they must have had so much fun filming the group scenes that was a note i had for the abyss it was the biggest group scenes of the season i would say where everyone was together like that that Steve and Jonathan making up after their saving moment was great.

And when they head towards Vecna HQ, that upside down spider again, turns to Lady Fox. I said, I swear, I think that thing's coming to life this episode. I think it is. I had a note that Nancy's hair could not have been more Ripley from Alien in the best way possible. Like, it was so spot. It was either that or Rambo, and she had the fucking gun, felt like Rambo. And Mike is finally like, hey, big sis. I think I deserve a gun.

You got a bunch of guns. Why don't you give me one? And she takes off a little one. It reminded me a Thoris and you get the little one to Captain America. But he takes it out and Lucas goes, you know, that's a flare gun, bro, right? Like they gave you the flare gun. So funny. Another moment where I was like, great moment.

Loved that. That was the most, at least since like season one or two, the most, like the first time in forever where I felt like Mike and Nancy were brother and sister. And especially like the older and younger dynamic where you're the older you're always given the little brother, like the little one, and that's exactly the kind of dynamic. And right before Lucas said, I go, wait, I think that's a flare gun. I know, you could see the barrel of it was like really gigantic.

And I love she just like does it and just is like got him and she just walks away. And I was like, you know what? The flare gun, I hope it comes into play, which it did. So it was very cool. And just like you said, that whole cast, is that we consider ensemble? Is that one of the ensemble cast right there? My wife had a great point. Steve, what did he want?

Six Little Nuggets? And I never thought of this before. The six little nuggets, the four boys, L, and Max. He had the. You're right. I wonder if that was how he's supposed to have thought it. He's like, oh, I kind of looked at these six kids. Or it was just like, hey, let's be honest, six nuggets.

That's a standard McDonald's pack right there. Dipshit Derek, I got to be honest. In volume two, he said he might overstayed his welcome. We might be out in dipshit Derek. I think he won me back over in this episode. Yeah, I think he did. So he's too winded to keep running. Vecna shows Hopper, his daughter, and he shows the L and collie conversation.

Roodle. Like, when you see his daughter in the hospital bed, I was like, oh, my God, we're going there. Like, it hurts your heart. And then bakes him out, gets him to accidentally shoot 11. It looks like 11's dead. He fucking pounds on the glass. That ruins the whole mission. Max wakes up, gives herself away.

It's absolute chaos. We find out 11 wasn't there. the whole time the bullets were just fake she was like what the fuck did you do but in this moment collie pulls a gun on hop he gives like a great very tearful speech great acting and then we go back to derrick running away from vectna who appears like Thanos and like the portal yes and he runs into the cave and hits one more suck my big fat one and as soon as he said that i was like derrick won me back over that fucking made me laugh yeah he hit him with that was like the that was his big one I don't think that was the last time he did that.

That was it, yeah. That one. There was like, why is this super natural, super strong creature unable to like the chubby kid granted, but why couldn't he pull him? But he was like branched out. It wasn't, this is like. If we're saying that, he couldn't fit through the whole. Yeah. Whatever guys.

Again, this is, it ain't that kind of show. Exactly. We're going to worry about Max's mom or Susie. We have to also admit we're watching a show about supernatural beings that are, you know, taking over minds and all this. It's just all fucking. crazy so you have to I'm going to look it up before the next time it's either suspend belief or suspend disbelief

I don't know which one but I have to I just want everyone to do it because that's what it has to be done for a show like this the I did call the I said I think he might be faking out Hopper with the L tank I was sure hoping so where I was like

oh my God she's dead it's not yeah and I was but then that lingered for a little long I'm like oh shit he just killed her and I'm thinking about all the consequences that that takes into it. I also have to admit she was number one on the Suss list. I thought Cali might have pulled that trigger. I thought she was going to shoot her boy hop, you know?

I was like, is this the fucking way they take Hop out where it's not a noble sacrifice? It's just a, oh my God, we fucking hate the person that kills him. Because that scene was great. It was the first time he ever met Vecna. You know, he didn't have an experience like that. And to be shown your daughter in the hospital bed, the conversation, like how many things, but I'm not a liar. That was fucking like stakes were high in that moment.

Even just the visual of Millie Bobby Brown in the tank with the fucking eyes wide open, like still was like, oh my God, this is some finale shit. He did a good job of making it seem like she was dead. Like, shout out to Vecna. I don't want, you know, I don't know. Yeah, AI images. He's using AI here to get her, you know, dead or whatever his super ghost version of AI is. He did a good job.

He had me sold. And this might come off as a hot take And as I think it, I'm just going to let it rip up Out of all the fucked up shit, Vecna's done And he's done a lot of bad stuff He's killed people, he's haunted people, He's destroyed lives, towns, whatever may be I think

Blaming the cop for the death of his cancer riddled daughter It's like it's your fault, she died? What? What? Yeah. It's not like he was... And you are a liar, Bechna. Yeah, you are a liar. That's a lie.

Or he is, he should not be, the uh attorney general or no is it surgeon general whatever he should not be in charge yeah he should not be in charge of any kind of health care surgeon general that's not how it works just not how general it should not be that we're back then for surgeon general uh beckna goes yeah go ahead no no um so we're getting to vect now okay i'm sorry going into the cave now because this is acting off the charts from this guy, Jamie Campbell-Bauer, I think his name is. Off the charts acting, the entire episode, and you could see why last season it was cool

when we got him as like one with 11, and then you got him as Vecna. I didn't like a lot of the Mr. What's-It stuff in this season, but I do like the fact that they were able to pull off like a two-face thing again because he's such a good actor that it would have been a disservice to hide him under the makeup and the Vecna outfit the entire time. Like I liked the scenes where he was,

getting really tearful in this episode as Mr. Watson or Henry in that form. I thought that was like, again, we get too much of a wrinkle of time stuff in volume two, but I saw the vision. I see where they were going forward with that. Yeah. So do we have,

this is before the flashback though, right? This is before the flashback. This is just when he goes into the cave and Will gets to see it from his man. And Will is doing a great job acting as well where he's like he's in pain like he could sense it already yeah he's he's trying to fight it i like the um mind flare talking to him like fight it don't you know so i was like oh man he's going through it right now where do we stand with hopper 11 and 8 at this point um cally so

they go into the building they get hit with the the radio shockwave device that capacitates the two of them and this is the abandonment that i was talking about just just unreal hopper grabbing 11 and just walking away from collie on the floor he's like you pulled a gun on me bitch see you i'm like i'm like i'm like i'm like hop is at least going back like in five minutes if not immediately no very much no he's like 11's not going to see this right i'm taking her see you but you know what i kind of like hop was like listen i'm like i'm sworn to protect serving protect i ain't sworn to serve and protect people that are pulling guns on me that are trying to like basically have my adopted daughter kill herself

like you are she's on the suss list for him too and i'm like honestly i appreciate he did that because i might have done the same thing in that situation oh it was such a realistic like yes you pulled the gun on me 20 minutes ago i'm not saving your fucking life i'm saving my daughter and whatever happens with you happens that was so realistic to me i was like oh my god this is perfect that's what hopper would do in that moment yes yep and on the roof we have murray and as soon as he took that bag out and here's all these things with c4 there's not a ton of people who be thinking but i know there's a few my boy right there first guy think of is john mclean i don't know how c4 works to this day all i know is if you put a bunch of little like pins or something in it and

you wrap it up in anything essentially and throw it it's going to cause a giant explosion and i was like i hope we get a mclean moment did you think we were getting a sacrifice because the way he ran before he throws the belt i thought oh is he jumping well it because we see the helicopter they kind of get captured by the military and it's like a plan to basically not distract everyone but just fucking take out the military he doesn't know exactly what's going on underneath him but he's talking to himself oh mary don't do this uh come on don't mess this up and the way he fucking throws it my note only says murray from downtown just the absolute perfect throw in the words and honestly fitting words of

The Immortal Mike Breen. Bang! Bang! Man, that would have been the triple bang. Bang! Bang! Bang! Blows up the helicopter. Freezing the girls. Absolutely perfect shot from way downtown. I mean, this is past Steph Curry's range at this point.

It was awesome. This is Steph Curry before the game starts when he does that crazy, like, full court shot. Full court shot, exactly. And I think going into the finale, we probably would have had him number one. But at this point of the finale, I'm like, if anyone's dying, the heavy favorite is Murray. Because, like, it feels like his story's wrapped up. He's an older guy.

It feels wrong to him. Unfortunately, I feel bad saying it. You could have a happy ending if he died. Yes. And it's also like, he's, for how stranger things treat some of the, like, not main party characters, he would have been like the final boss of, you know, all the people that we've lost only because he's been around so long. Like, I'm still mad about Bob.

I'm still mad about. Eddie. I honestly would have been more fine with Murray. He's been with us forever at this point. I like Murray. But at the same point, it's like Murray's just, he's batching crazy. If Murray's alive right now, the character, and he's older and he was already a crazy conspiracy lunatic back in the 80s. Can you imagine him in 2025? Oh, my God. Chat, GPT. It's all over Murray. Murray would have been on like 36 Chan by the time the 2020 rolled around. I also loved right before they got. to go out of order a little bit. Hopper kind of turned into John Wick with the fucking machine going, whew, hitting bullets everywhere. That was awesome. And then right after Murray blows up the helicopter, there are still some military guys around. The one had the gun to Collie, and we see that. She got shot pretty fucking good in the stomach. I thought he just missed when he, you know, fired and the explosion went off. But 11, with, I think, one of her most

badass moments in the series, when she gets the powers back, you know, the big amplified is is blown up by mary and she just fucking goes crack your neck crack your neck crack your neck and the last guy that had that like infection on him she fucking makes him point the gun up to himself and blow his own brains out oh bumped up talking about it i was like that's the 11 we were looking for that's what we wanted out of her in volume too instead of just she's chilling in a wetsuit the whole time let's start breaking next 11 let's do it just close ups of her face where she looks like Sid from Toy Story. I don't need to see 11.

They kept doing the close-ups. I will say this. Whatever the lip filler was in volume 2, I didn't notice it. They didn't notice as much in volume 3. When 11 just starts, you know, popping necks, it's like when Stone Cold is just giving away stunners. Stunners, yes. It's just so quick and so fast. Yes, yes.

And then I thought when the gun was going up, I said, oh, wait, are we, is this going to be the most violent death that we've seen? because that guy had it coming, the old guy who had the splattered side of his face. And he just kind of just got it a little off-screenish where the, I didn't need to see it. I was just, if that, I was like,

that guy earned a really gruesome death. He didn't really get it, but he got a special one, I guess, right? He had the fear in his eyes as the gun was coming up. Like they gave him like, you know,

he died in fear. That was cool. Yes, that was cool. And our girl, not our girl, eight, she says,

my story was always going to end here and let me tell you what I said after she said that thank God your story was one of the worst parts of this show if her story never existed and they just figured out another way for 11 to learn about her past

learn how to like control or you know strengthen her powers and whatever little tricks they did in these last few vives volumes, it would have been better probably than what we got with it. I think looking back now that episode in season two that everyone hated, that is not as, it's just the timing of it and it's way too long. That I said that might live up to like being okay.

If everything pays off, I would say we can officially put with a red marker did not worth, did not pay off, not worth it, bad move. That's my opinion. I would agree with that, but I would say since it existed in season two, it was a good move to bring her back and make it feel like it mattered. I liked that they killed her off so early into the finale too. Where as soon as she died, I turned to Lady Fox. I was like, that was a good move because now we just have the characters we care about pretty much. It's like they didn't make her, we talked about the dice theory. I would have liked that. I thought that was cool. And I guess

you could still make the argument that in a roundabout way it worked. But I thought it was better to have her just kind of thrown to the wayside in the first 30, 45 minutes. And that's, okay, Let's just focus on the characters that we've spent, again, 10 years with. The Duffers ate their broccoli. That was the broccoli that they had to eat at some point during the meal. We got that out of the way. Yes. Then we see 11 give Hopper the bracelet and say, you have to believe in me.

Believing is a big theme of the finale in 11 in general. And then we get the Vecna backstory, at least a little bit of the backstory. I know a lot of it is in the Broadway show, which we will get a review for you, suit. I'm going to go see it this month for sure. But we see as a Boy Scout, he was shot in the hand by this guy with a briefcase in the caves. And Bullet goes right through his hand. Holly, this is intertwined with Holly fighting Mr. What's it, gets him with the fire poker. And I thought it was brilliant. The scar they gave him was in the exact spot where he has that almost Ultron-type branch as Vecna, where it almost made him look a little bit more like his Vecna form. And Henry goes and

opens the briefcase as a little boy and there's a red glowing rock in it when he picks it up the infection i guess the magic in it goes into the bullet hole in his hand the mind flair speaks to him for the first time you got a call to me you know find me has to join it um and then we see like in the real world as we're watching the mind flare talk to henry in the flashback the mind flare comes to life in the flesh form it is his lair And I thought this scene was awesome. Again, people are nitpicking, oh, the design wasn't this good. Why does the design look like this when it originally looked like this?

I thought it looked scary. I thought it looked like crustacean fucking legs hitting. It was almost, you know me, I hate spiders, hate big spiders. But it was almost more like crab-like than spider-like and had the spikes all over it. I thought this was fucking awesome. It kind of reminded me of one of the monsters from Attack of the Clones, right? yeah i know the one you're talking about yes yeah uh and trust me i do not want to think about any of those movies more than i have to but uh here we know that's what i want to talk about i would have loved to

see the internet i was around during the prequels as big as it is now for all that kind of stuff we saw a little bit of it with the sequel trilogy nonetheless um i mean i like you said when you saw the the little dwelling or whatever with vectna it people did say like if you count the legs it's ate like a spider and we know the spider stuff and then when it came to life it's like all right this is real if he didn't have the open wound would it have been able to infect him because it seems like that was necessary right yeah i took it as know the way it went in and i thought that was like kind of clever too like when he got shot in hand and he picked up like i put it together in real time like oh that must be how he got that and i know people are very upset that there are answers that we didn't get in the finale that are answered in the broadway show

and the duffers put out a statement about that about kind of the the joyce hopper went to high school with beckna thing which I was expecting to be addressed at some point. But I didn't even think it's like, as far as I know in the Broadway show, they don't say, here's why he selected Will because Joyce and Hopper did this. I think the Broadway show is almost leaving it open for interpretation for the show. And the show almost left open for interpretation to the Broadway show. Me and KFC talked about it in a group chat with you. I think it was just they were in a really tough spot.

They were in the fucking caves. And it was a matter of, we can't make the show worthless by revealing everything that the show released. The play you're talking about. Yes. Yes, the play. I'm sorry. Why would you reveal all of the secrets that the play reveals when that's the whole

point of seeing the play? I know everyone can't come to New York or the West End and see it on Broadway. But it's got to have a little bit, you know, juice left to squeeze. It's got to have a little tidbit here and there. It just is tough when there's like major answers. That thing said, I don't know if there's any major answers that they actually do answer in the play that we didn't get here. Just there's questions left open still.

Again, it's very similar to the emperor coming back in Fortnite. I don't think you should. And there was a Harry Potter thing you said? There's a Harry Potter thing currently on Broadway. That's supposed to be like 20 years after the books or movies or whatever. But I believe they have retcon some things in the play that people aren't happy about. So, okay, so it didn't come out years ago and you had to see the play to really get the whole gist of a Harry Potter thing. Yeah.

Okay. No. Okay. So that makes sense. I really don't like the idea of it. I'm fine with a little bit or like it'll help. It's just like almost like bonus material that'll give you some extra clarity on how everything went. It did feel like they kind of did half measures where they gave us a little bit of it.

But then if I didn't know about the play, I think I would have just been a lot more confused. But learning a little bit about the play or some of the plot points with him as a kid, I'm like, okay, now this makes a little more sense. if I don't, if people aren't pausing the DVD or DVD, the TV and, uh, seeing their names all on the thing where it's Mrs. Wheeler, Mr. Wheeler, Joyce and Hopper. And you see Henry Creel, most people don't even know that it's, you know, he's in the play. So I, I just, I didn't like it. I think I, this is one of my things. Volume two have been paced differently. They use different categories. They had done different things. I think they kind of sprinkled in enough where you're not

making the play worthless but for the 99% of people haven't seen the play in terms of the audience that's yeah oh yeah 99.9.9 like you just give us that because it's just one more thing and this that's a very valid criticism I think people if they see the play they'd be like all right maybe it wasn't that important again I haven't seen it yet but I see that the thing is yeah I don't I just don't think the play even answers that so I think there might be people going oh I'll go see the play to find out why he targeted will specifically. They got the same birthday. There must be something there.

I don't think the play answers that question. Well, that's fine. They could have just done that at some point during this. Yes. Oh, 100%. That's one thing where people are, where's Max's mom? Where's this?

I would have liked an answer to like, why did he target Will? Why is his classmates? I mean, like, Joyce and Hopper never even found out that that was their classmate. I thought Joyce was going to walk up to him and be like, oh my God, I recognize him.

Henry, you fucking bitch, you, you know. And they say that, that was the thing you were, you said the quote came. came out where it's like they alluded to that they know it's Henry, but they don't say it on screen, but they do find out, which, whether or not that happens in the play, I don't know. And the Will thing is the other thing where that was one thing. They're like, we're going to find out who it was, who's the one that left the door open. And I saw a lot of people upset and then everyone's like, oh, no, it was Vecta guys.

But it's like, they said it was going to be revealed. It was not revealed. Like, if you tell me you're going to hold my hand and take me somewhere and then it's just like, oh, no, just go down the road. I think that's what people are expecting. and I think that's another valid criticism because I do think there was a chance it was L who kind of fucked this all up for Will

and that would have been an interesting reveal or Vecna is like, I think Vecna is like, Will lives in the area of the house or whatever or wherever and we grew up and we probably be like this kid is a little little bitch to be honest he was like a little pot of he's like a scary cat like he's a nice boy

but he's very quiet and I mean obviously yeah he's the easiest to get into his head also close to a let like you can give us kind of a roundabout explanation that doesn't need to make a ton of sense you could say oh they had the same birthday kind of a coincidence like he picked him because they had the same birthday he hated all his classmates and she's one exactly if you had told if you put dustin lucas mike and will in a line and then henry's like which one is the most like me growing up he would have said well well yes a hundred percent then we get the the big fight with vekna versus l and the mind flare versus the group. So L jumps into the mind flair. This is the shot that people are criticizing.

I can't believe what show I'm watching. Again, I'm like, you can't believe what show you're watching. Did you watch last season? Did you watch like the crazy mind flair fight in season three at StarCourt? Like this, it's not a drastic jump. I mean, this is a big physical jump quite literally, but it's not a jump in terms of like disbelief or suspending disbelief or belief like you said. It was kind of just like, all right, we're in a fucking they mentioned it. It was Godzilla. We're in a fucking Kaiju movie now. And I was here for it. I thought it was cool.

Yeah. I was like, all right. They had alluded to the jumping earlier in the season with Elle. And I was glad they didn't show when she says, oh, I could jump right up to Dimension X and they show us the boulders. I was like, oh, there's no way that's going to look going on camera. They didn't show us. And I was like, oh, brilliant, brilliant. You don't have to show us.

Hand up. I had no clue how she'd gotten there at first. I guess she jumps. I'm like, is she teleporting? because Vecca is teleporting now? I was very... She's got like the Hulk jump, I guess. It's just like...

The Hulk up, you know? They should have said that like in the... Like Dustin is always referencing... Someone should say, like the Hulk? Yeah. She did the Hulk jump. Yeah, he jumps super high. Yeah.

The giant mind flayer, the physical version of it, it's like, we had that version at the mall made of rats and dead people's bones and flesh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought that was cool, too. It's not crazy to think it's up there.

Now, I told you, I did have the thing. like the Kevin Smith story about the Wild West Spider. And that's exactly what I thought of once you started with me. We're back to the giant spider. Produced by John Peters, yeah. And then here's where we get the big battle. And this is, again, a battle that if I could criticize it, I would say it was too easy for them.

It was a bit too easy for the group. I mean, they're shooting this thing with machine guns and throwing water balloons full of gasoline at it. I thought that stuff was cool. The slingshot, water balloons, gasoline, layer gun lightning on fire all of that worked um it just it didn't go on long enough for my liking and i do understand this was never going to be the game of thrones type show that some people thought it would be maybe even us included doing death pools and whatnot it was never fully about

shocking deaths it was never fully about crazy amazingly choreographed battles they show us with the epilogue it was about growing up like this is very much they hammered home that's what this show was about it was a coming of age story for these kids who went through an insane childhood but it was not ever going to be like the avengers final battle it seemed where it's going to be the entire third act and we're going to spend an hour at battle would i have liked a little more time yes did i dislike the battle no i thought it had cool moments i thought nancy backing up into the cave as it was like chomping down not the cave but a cave as the thing was chomping down as cool.

Everyone attacking it from above is cool. Jonathan with the fucking flamethrower was cool. A lot of good moments with Vecta and L. I did laugh at the spike that he was like that against. Before he even like gets thrown into it, my note was he's treating it like they treat thumbtacks in the WWE. Where like the thumbtacks get thrown off. It's like, whoa, going to fall.

They do 100 spots like that. They started doing that with Vecna. And I thought that was really fucking funny until, eventually will and 11 are able to combine their strength push him back into the spike it basically kills him he's like coughing up blood

but that's pretty much the end effect and this got criticized too I thought the push into the spike I was okay with that as the death I said to you and KFC it almost took it as like vibranium is the only thing that could take down vibranium like there was something about that spike

it's the same organic material that he was made out of where that could pierce him yeah i don't think they said in one of the d and d about slaying him with his own sword like that's like that once the mind flare dies i feel like at this point he's just a bag of bones that is you know basically we i was thinking is well going to die because of the hive mind and i thought that too duffers had a quote about that too where they're basically like ah don't think about that you could do like if we want them to write the one sentence worth of dialogue where Dustin will say, oh, no, but in D&D, this is how it happens.

We would just eat, they could do that for you guys if you want. I'm fine with it. It is what it is. But, like, I was, like, worried. I'm like, are we going to lose Will because of it? Because that would be a tough way to go. But like you said, this show, people are like, like, you said, Thrones is probably the best example of it because do we, are we spoiling Thrones here?

That character that gets credited in the first season, you think he's the main character. First seasons. Yeah, dude, you can spoil first season Thrones. I'm not going to do it just because I'm like Tony Sopranos friend on the boat you think that guy

is going to be part of the show forever Sopranos you lost like but like it's mostly watching this Prams being like is metal going to die is metal going to die it's like

no no no Carmella Meadow Anthony and you know Tony in some cases you feel like they're good the whole way through and that's kind of and again we're talking about

TVMA show for adults right now yeah let's all remember They're making a show for kids about kids. Like, again, it's not just for kids. We talked about that with Eddie. It's a show for everybody.

But everybody includes kids. They know kids are watching. They know a huge part of their fan base or like Sienna, where it's like she was obsessed with this. Like you said, the past couple months, you don't, you can't give her a Game of Thrones level ending where everyone's getting beheaded and killed. And I do think this show might have started more for like, hey, let's go for 20s, 30s, 40s. People that love the 80s, I think were a big target market, obviously, with the nostalgia.

And their kids. Yeah, and their kids. And then it grew into this show where it's like, you know, there's going to be older readers or else to be younger viewers. And they're probably like, what are we going to do here? And I don't know. It just felt wrong killing any of the kids, to be honest with you, even though they're damn near adults now, if not actual adults.

My kids stomping upstairs becoming a vetna. So I apologize for that, guys. I have to see if there's any rocks around the house with red on the, I don't know if the mindfire is taking over my second. born i i don't think they were going to kill the kids i you know if they killed joyce they killed hopper they killed some of one of the adults murray for sure um would have been found with it the older kids even i was hoping they weren't going to go i could have probably been done with jonathan as you guys could probably allude you by now nonetheless um that's just not the kind of

show it was i will say this i was pretty sure we weren't going to lose anyone when dimension x was basically like has one enemy in the entire place is a parking lot Yeah, what it doesn't say, it's like death. It's like the land of death and it's hell. It's the place when one, when, whatever, Henry gets shot there by 11, you're like, this is the scariest place on earth, you know what I mean? Demogorgans created that. Again, like, maybe the Duffers did answer, like, where did they go?

Are they supposed to be like they're all in the upside down because they're trying to make the transition? Is it literally like, we killed all of them? Is it like that was it? Those were all the demigorgans. Like, I don't know. Or it's almost like, I think they do in Ghostbusters where all the ghosts go to like where Gozer is. And that's how they're super powering up.

They're all, if you told me, they all went into that giant spider. And that's, and they've been slowly gearing up Vecna. They needed the kids as basically the flux capacity. I made like seven different movie reference. And all this stuff had to do to make them unstoppable object. The monster of all monsters, the final boss of all final bosses. That's fine. I'm in for that.

You could sell that to me. However, honestly, I think they had a harder time killing a single demigorgon than they did killing the month. Oh, yeah. Right? And that's another thing where like, I get it. When you have a show expand to this level, like the demigorgon was like the big bad villain of season one where it was like, we're shooting this thing. We're trying this. We're trying that.

Nothing's working. And I guess eventually you get to season five and it's like you got to re power scale everyone. You're like, all right, you can now kick a demadog out. it your way you could kill a demigorgon like this i get that they can't see or hear because there's a music playing they used to be attracted to blood that kind of went away that wasn't really a thing where like if you're bleeding around a demigorgon here they come i get it it's a little bit like disappointing not show breaking for me but it is like it's just tough they they didn't expect this to be a five season long show clearly in season one when it was meant to be like an anthology

and they were going to come back with a different story and different everything in season two wound up being we got to keep these kids around because they are cash cows yes who was it i think it was the fin uh the guy the actor played michael like who's the most sad about uh stringer things ending he said our agents like yeah so good well i've been watching a lot of interviews with him i put it out there in the universe i want fin wolf hard in the basement 2026 he's a great musician he just directed a stop motion george harrison music video i feel like we got all the same interests and he just seems like he's got his head on his shoulders he had a great quote about like hoping that Netflix doesn't ruin the theatrical experience and yeah seems like very like

mature like a yeah a very funny guy too um this is where we get the main character of season one finally getting her moment as well joyce winona rider season one is kind of the winona rider comeback show she walks in and you said to me it might have been the best line in the series She hits a you fucked with the wrong family. They gave her the F bomb. And she starts hacking Beckna's head off. And that's how I would describe it. She was hacking that head off.

It wasn't a clean sweep like Game of Thrones season one, that character that we will not name. It wasn't like a guillotine. It was fucking chopping down a long, gigantic tree. And every time she hit, we got a character and their trauma of what Beckna put him through. Bumped up the entire time. As soon as she walked up,

in with that axe on her back that the duffers mentioned she's gotten to use the axe a lot in the series in terms of breaking down walls or own house keeping people away yeah she's never gotten to really put it to use like that and my god it was satisfying seeing her actually put it to use one of the best scenes in the series full stop period at the end exclamation point at the end i love that i love the way she delivered the line that is someone who was so fed up with shit and thought about this moment so long in her life to actually be able to get to do that and then you get all the stuff with all the characters

all the trauma they went through, you realize it as you're seeing them go through it as she's just hacking at the guy. There was a, I feel like there was a show we had watched recently or a movie where the guy kept trying to hack and he couldn't kill him on the first blow. Theon does this in Thrones later on. He has had someone and he fucks it up, obviously, he's an idiot.

There was someone that does it in, I can't remember which show we watched. It wouldn't have been a Star Wars one because they have, you know, lightsabers. Yeah. But nonetheless, absolutely incredible. I love all the people who are like Stephen Robin were, or no, Robin. They were just in the background because all they had was issues with Russians and customer service. They were in it for the love of the game.

Beckner was not halting them. And like you kind of appreciate, you know, Thor, when he aims for the head, takes down Thanos. It's very clean, right? Two guys that are also not liars, right? And Thanos and Vecna, even though we can. kind of did call back now on some of his bullshit today that was that was very that was um honestly i've watched that scene like five times already i think and again that's scenes to kill a villain ever round of applause to jamey campbell bowers i think that's how you say his name unreal villain performance

like he like he could win an emmy for this some of the ways he was getting tears to well up in his eyes and i loved his fake out redemption we talked a lot about will he be redeemed we talked about return of the Jedi this season and they totally flipped that on its head where it looks like they're leading you down that path he's like no i fucking chose this i want to be here in this that's kind of the ending i wanted for kailo red if i'm being completely honest where i wanted him to double down on everything and not get redeemed the then solo stuff is what it is we got some cool stuff there but i thought this was a very very satisfying way to kill vectna i know some people took this specifically as the opposite of like he did all that and it was that easy to kill vectna

I'm fine with that. Get us to the epilogue, which I thought we were going to have a hundred things go wrong. Because at this point, there's still an hour left. There was a lot of time left, Bob. I was very concerned with the amount of time. Because we all did their hit. We had to, like, hit the up on the remote to see, like, how much, you know. I paused to went to the bathroom.

I didn't even like, I was so, like, in it, I didn't even register that there was still that much time left. There's like, that must have just flown by. Pause to go to the bathroom was like, oh, no. Yeah, we haven't even started yet. We had an interesting because we had to put a little baby Vecna, who was. just screaming, how to put him up to bed. And so we had started a little late.

And I didn't look at the clock. It might have been 8.20. I'm not thinking, all right, 20 minutes left. Like, I'm not doing the math to see how much time he's left. The other problem is I had a daughter who's downstairs watching her own because she's obsessed on FaceTime with her friend. Because they are, and for anyone to listen to the last episode, my daughter is done hardcore to the show. She was sobbing as if not a family member died. The entire family died right in front of her face.

So it was, I was like, this is not good. I was very scared about what was going to happen. So we were all kind of in the same place. Now, I will say this. One last point about Beckness, you had mentioned that. I'm happy he didn't get a redemption. But I'm also happy he wasn't just like a little disturbed kid that kind of got infected. I think absolute power corrupts absolutely or something like that, right?

Like, that's the line. I think there's some people that if they got corrupt by evil, they'd want to get out even at the very end. and I think there's some people who kind of, I like to have him in power. That's the kind of guy he was. But that face he wear, the fear he had, the anger he had, the, like, you tell he's torn, right? All those faces this guy wore were perfect. I hope he is the breakaway star from this show down the road because he didn't have all those other seasons to, you know, cash in on this. So I hope that guy is, you know, what's his name, Jamie Campbell Boyer?

Campbell Bowers, I think. which is another crazy thing he's 37 years old i looked that up and i couldn't believe i would have guessed he was like 30 31 yeah he's near in 40 and this guy's like anti kids who were yeah he's hanging there with the kids that are growing up looking older than him uh and i have to just say this though so now that we know that henry creel bad guy in his core but just became purely rotten from all this stuff. He had a thing and they allude to it where he says, man is broken. I don't want to do it to you, Bob. Hashtap Vecna was right. And I listen. There's a lot of good in man. There's a lot of good in man. I'm also seeing a lot of bad and man these days. I saw a lot of bad and man during

the pandemic. I'm seeing a lot of bad and man. Man is a very interesting creature. They are great. They are good. They are also very bad. And that baby next to the fire, because I think that's his dad's memory right from the war and i think that is probably what really turned henry is when he got his dad's memories and i think that's when it was like you get to see the you're a seven-year-old or whatever you get to see what war is in the the depths of like the evilness of mankind i can't blame henry anymore that baby next to the fire i said i am he's absolved the blame thing now granted i'm not joyce if i was joyce i probably don't feel the same i probably still would have chopped his head off but in the end i can't you can forgive but not forget kind of a thing i think that's

how it works because man there is some bad people in this world yeah i did love the line he had when he said we are one and he's yeah meaning if he's literally one i thought that was cool that was it was a good line also uh i saw the the Netflix tweeted like look at his troop number which shout of my wife's 11.06, November 6th, yeah. People are like, yeah, could you have told us what that was all about? And it might be in the play. I don't know. Guys, don't be cute.

Either give us the answers. If it's in the play, fine, it's in the play. But don't like tweet it out to the 99.9% of us who were like, yeah, that was cool. What the fuck does it? And, yeah, it's like there's that famous tweet from Rise of Skywalker. I think it was Star Wars Holocron or something tweeted like, did you know the Sith fleet was built during this. this, B. B. B. Y, this, this. And Elijah Wood has like a famous reply where he's like,

no, how could we have known? So we get like a almost fake out happy ending where they're going back to the real world set to when doves cry. And I texted you right away. I said, oh my God, we nailed it. Prince. It was a Prince song. And then I didn't even realize how much we nailed it because they hiss with the purple rain. We predicted December 12th when we heard this story, a song that's never been cleared for a movie or show is now. now going to be in the Stranger Things finale, wound up being purple rain. And it's the soundtrack, the backing track to Mike and 11 saying goodbye in an incredibly emotional sad scene where she's telling him this is how it has to be.

He sees her in the portal, the door to the upside down. They're all screaming no when they realize she is going to go forward with the sacrifice. And the purple rain in the background makes it so emotional. people have listed the parallels season one of him screaming goodbye he's got the hands over his ears like the shot for shot recreation is perfect and she makes that sacrifice goes black and we get 18 months later and that's where the epilogue begins which again we got 45 50 more minutes left in the show but pretty fucking emotional way to way to end it you know so that was when my daughter was crying like a madman yeah there's uh

And it makes sense, obviously, L, which we had said with Eddie, you didn't feel great about Elle surviving, even if she is Millie Bobby Brown, but she was the character. And it would almost be such a seismic death. It would, like, people like, no one died. It's like, well, kind of like the biggest character of the entire series. And the whole reason it existed died. So that is kind of a big one.

We are now at the point where AJ has learned of this scene and now sings Purple Rain to his sister as she runs away from him. around the house and uh sheena's an 11 year old who is having a hard time harder and harder time waking up early for middle school and i told her and this is the god's honest truth if she doesn't wake up i will start playing purple rain until she oh no and purple rain is now her like vectna clock noise it is the anti running up that hill yeah and i don't think it does it anymore but the first two times as of new year's day she started crying which oh no the water just comes out on its own. It's a great song to get ruined for you, too.

It's a great song. And yeah, you can be on the radio, that's just going to start playing. And you texted me, you were like, wait a minute, quick music question for you. Was Purple Rain in the movie Purple Rain? I did say, yes. I think the duffers got so excited about the fact that it's the first time it's ever been cleared for anyone else. They were like, you guys won't believe this. We got a song that's never been clear before. And they probably didn't realize like people were going to be like, oh, like on a technicality. Like, it was obviously in purple rain. Yeah. And then I looked it up when Doves Cry is in that as well. So you can't even say that's a prince. And then the other song we get obviously during the beginning of the montage is

landslide, which has probably been in a million commercials, let alone show. How much money did they spend on the music budget? I'll tell you what. We've got landslide. We've got Heroes by Bowie. We've got the trooper by Iron Maiden. It's crazy. I am, I've been listening to the Spotify soundtrack the last couple days. And it's just nothing but hits. And you're going back to season one. should I stay or should I go cold as ice and the mall scene right when they break up there this soundtrack has become a beast this has to

this has to be more than their CGI budget at this point for the series it's crazy the amount they swim I interviewed Kevin Smith if I have the numbers right I'm pretty sure he told me they to pay like $250,000 to use Tusk by Fleetwood Mac in the movie Tusk

Tusk is like an indie movie basically and you're talking about one of Fleetwood Mac Hits, of course, but not like a hit that everyone knows. It's not like a landslider or go your own way. I can't imagine. It had to be millions for each song. In my head, if you look at like the, what do they call it, the balance sheet or whatever,

you try the music. What's the old tweet? Like food, $100. Handles, $100 million. I need to feed my family. Please tell me how to make this money. I feel like all the ads they do where it's like the chips a hoi, the Doritos. Discover Carms.

Lucky charms. All that is just so that they can play whatever songs you want. Because you need the music to be a part of, that's as big a part as the 80s as anything else. Obviously, the brands in a crazy way helps you feel like you're in the 80s as well. However, you get money for those brands because they can advertise, but then the music you have to pay for. And it kind of works out at the end.

And the rest, you know, get your Netflix subscriber fees. You get how much from the movie theory, 25 mil? 25 to 28 or something. 25 to 28 mil. Although they're getting none of that. Netflix gets none. They said there's some kind of weird like guild dispute where I think all the money is going to the theaters, which is kind of great.

Good for the theaters. Yeah. So something weird is going on with that. I don't know if it's like a writer's guild dispute or an actor's guild dispute. Something affects that. So I will say I would have liked for it to have been, I guess a song for the first time in any movie would have been more pure. But in the end, I don't care.

They're like, I don't know what, mainly the 10-bettocks, never to be clear it. I don't know. I don't really care that much. I also think it's still a big deal. Like Prince, it's been such a big deal that Prince wouldn't clear with any. Now, if Prince was alive, I think would be a much bigger deal. Because I think this is, we got to eat. The boss man is dead.

We've already motherfucked all these other things. The music industry is hard enough to make money these days with the way that everything has been set up structurally with finances. So they're just going to be like, yeah, sell this shit. You know, I don't know. I feel like Prince was, no, it was Michael Jackson who didn't love the, occult and that kind of stuff. I don't know if Prince... And they started the season with a Michael Jackson song.

That's true. They did. They did. Well, think about that. How much money did they spend just on the Prince and Michael Jackson stuff? I know. Yeah. Right?

Not even including landslide, which has to be one of the most expensive songs you could get. And it used perfectly when we're doing a graduation set to landslide. Like, the only thing that would have been more fitting is good riddance, which wasn't released yet at the time of 89. That feels like the graduation. song time if your life my green day that's perfectly said and i'm going to say this about the last thing about the music i think the duffers paul betty themselves where he's like i worked with an actor i've always wanted to work with he was just being cheeky it was himself it's a technicality

they had the technicality on prince he obviously cleared it for his own fucking movie i don't if you have to clear it if you're the maker of the movie nonetheless i'm not going to get better shape if people want get mad of shape about it like i said in the beginning of pot do whatever you want i will get better out of shape better one last thing before we head to the epilogue. Lyndon Hamilton sucked. It's not her book. She did not.

She did not suck. Her character sucked. It was worthless. I think we can all agree. Couldn't even kill her off. Couldn't even show it. Like, that was insane. That just no follow up whatsoever on Linda Hamilton.

And I understand the military needed to be there because the Vecna enemy and then everything from the fallout, you need to have almost another enemy that was going to, you know, fuck up the gang from doing what they had to do. all the different parts that they were in and the military was slowly capturing everyone even they didn't show them they showed them home to the church we never saw erika and the teaching get taken out no i was thinking the same thing yeah i was like oh no they're fucked they showed max um yeah and then in the end i mean they've killed dozens of military personnel by that point dozens and dozens and dozens yeah hopper and nancy have killed i'd say dozens obviously you know

who takes care of her sorry murray and it's like nope all good And listen, you know, I guess no blood, no foul in the end, like, we got rid of this, this threat and we did a lot of fucked up shit, too. But it was just, dude, what about the pregnant ladies in the upside out? Oh, they're cool. Someone pointed that out. I mean, like, we just destroyed the upside down. 11's like, I got destroyed. We didn't think, like, let's get the pregnant ladies out.

Some people said they were dead already, which sounds like. Or they were, yeah, they were kind of. The experiments were failing, so whatever. Like, it was just a little bit like, oh, we didn't even mention that. It was kind of like a jarring moment in volume two where we were like, Holy fuck. And there were a lot of things that you just got to say, all right, they're not getting mentioned. Like you got to like just let it go because you would kind of drive yourself crazy if you got hung up on all of those little things.

I said this to you guys on a text and it's like you're going to have the people who are on one side of it who hate everything, Stranger Things and everything they did this season or volume or whatever was bad. They're going to have the people the other side that everything they did was great. It had a plan. It was perfect. And then there's the vast, vast majority in the middle. And we fit into that. And I think pretty much all the listeners

fit into that. Just admit that some shit didn't work. Some shit worked great. And like, why can't we just be like that? We're like that. And this is a very much a social media thing. It's a society thing, but it's a social media thing. This, this sports player is the best ever or he's trash.

If you want a championship, you're great. If not you're trash. You're either, you're either, what's it called? You're either a communist or you're a fashion. You can't just have certain nuance point of view. A show is either great and nailed the landing. It was perfect or it was terrible. And it's like, guys, all the, and the wire, my personal fear show, the one thing they hammer home, life is just nothing but different shades of gray.

That's all it is. It's not black. It's not white. And I think, like, a lot of this stuff was pretty bad. A lot of the stuff in volume two I personally didn't care for. And again, Linda Hamilton's character, we said it. They just wanted Papa. they should have just brought Papa back

to go, Vecna did this to do this. They never even told us about a connection to Papa. Someone brought that up on Twitter as well. Why is she continuing Papa's program? Why is she so passionate about this? Yeah, unless you're like, this is his daughter, this is his wife, this is his mentor. All those things could have worked.

And it was just, and listen, I landed. They regretted killing Papa. They were like, fuck. They killed him twice, too. They regretted it the first time. And the people are like, where's Polarizer? you told someone told me last episode polarizer died i'm like i buried him i'm burying everyone he was dead now i guess yeah it's like schrodinger's cat i accidentally said paul riser's dead but

he didn't show up so he is yeah it's it so i think in the end there were definitely some mistakes with the military government whatever you want to call it the russian stuff looking back now just seems like a complete waste of both the russians that were in star Sargate and the Russians that were in Russia. It just, that's Season four, we'll get into the rankings later. It has remained at the bottom of my list. Yeah, season three.

Yeah. The Russian stuff was the weak link. And that was part of the thing where you said the military had to exist here and you're right because he couldn't just do away with the military once it became a show about battling the military. But in the epilogue, they just do away with the military. They're like, all right. They would have to stand trial. The military would have to admit.

is some crazy things. So we're going to forget about that. You're back to being police chief. Yeah. I think we could have just leaned on government with a sprinkling a military. But when everyone has machine guns, that's what I'm like, we've gone to a place that we can just not return. And that came. Again, fast and furious.

We're in space. Yes, we're in space. Exactly. So we get little check-ins with a lot of the crew. Steve Harrington is a baseball coach. And he's teaching as well, doing some substitute teaching, I think. A little bit. A little bit of Wooderson in him, too, right?

I'm dazed and confused. Yes. Dustin is valedictorian. Of course we knew he would be. And then we hear Mike is not going to walk for graduation. And his mom hasn't seen him in a day. He knows where it is. He's at the memorial and he's upset.

And they have a really nice talk about acceptance, which I thought was like super adult, mature, like, well written again. And he decides to walk. He decides that conversation was enough where Popper tells him, listen, you just got to live the best damn life you can. There's a lot of negative, but you know Elle wouldn't want you to be open like this. And then at graduation, Dustin gives an awesome speech himself as valedictorian. A lot of people thought this was directed a little bit towards kids that were affected by COVID in high school as well. And I can see that when he's like, we got our childhoods taken from us and kind of along those lines.

and he ends it with a tribute to Eddie where he flips off the principal, hits the trooper by Iron Maiden, takes off that ridiculous looking gown and goes out like a true member of the Hellfire Club. I loved that. I got chills talking about that valedictorian speech,

just breaking it down on the podcast. Yeah, he goes word for word. I'm sure for the people haven't seen it, they have breakdowns on Twitter, or I'm sure you look on any video site where Eddie says word for word. I want him to flip him all. off take the diploma and ran the hell out of there it's you know i don't you see this as the gown and

dustin that's his way of honoring his memory i actually sure hellfire lives that's great like yeah i actually thought um the hopper stuff was like something you can really if you're going through shit i think you can circle back on that stuff he says there that's real good life advice yes very good life advice and then we see the meetup of the uh older gang the older kids And so many people have funny memes about them looking like the cast of friends. You can tell they're all trying to like go into the 90s, uh, aesthetic 90s wardrobe, which 89, by the way, we've got a little Indiana Jones than the last crusade Easter egg. I liked that.

As soon as they showed that in the marquee, it was like, oh, we're in 89. But they're on the top of the radio, not the tower, but just the radio building on the roof. And they're all talking about what the future holds for them. Jonathan and NYU, Nancy dropped out of Emerson to work at the Herald, and they make a promise, very, we're leaving each other becoming adults promise where they said, we'll meet up once a month at a central point. Maybe Philly will all come meet up once a month. And it's the same promise that Glennie Balls made to a lot of the Barstall office when he left. And there has been no once a month meetups, as there usually isn't with adults. It's just we're growing apart and we're going to make this promise. And it probably plays different for kids and adults. Kids probably watch that and go, oh, that's so nice. They're going to stay together. I think every adult watching that was like, this is bittersweet because you know they ain't doing this.

It was, it rang true. Anyone, you know, they say with the high school friends, the college friends not as much because in the real world, everyone knows they're just going to be scrambled. But yeah, I mean, we made that promise of me and my buddies. And if you get the first month, you're great. It's usually already, you get like Thanksgiving. All right. And then Christmas says, all right, we're going to do this.

And then, nope. and then, you know, every year maybe, and then years become a decade and then once forget about it when, you know, life, jobs, kids, spouses, all that other stuff get in the way. It was, I saw that tweet about it. We're like, adults know that that is, it hurt, but it's truth. And, you know, it's, it's like, it seems so possible. And I guess it could be, like, feasible. But, like, monthly is just way too crazy.

It's, it's crazy. Yeah. And we're talking Philly? You're saying you're going to drive from. Arkansas, Indiana to Philly? Like, there's a lot of... I got this monthly thing I do with my friends, you know, for my spouse. Got to do it this month. And then I do it next month and the month that's not happening. But it is funny, though, because my daughter was very upset when I said, there's no chance

that actually happened. She's like, you told her? No. Yeah, well, let her believe, Clem. I'm going to give you a little glimpse into what I saw with the, because, you know, I'm reading a lot of the people who are picking stuff apart a lot of the stuff the nitpicks you've talked about that are a little like extreme a lot of those nitpicks are the ones she had and she's an 11 year old that doesn't know the way life works the people who are like she really wanted bilir right she really wanted violet and i said this is not how i said love works and then like sexuality as well like if mike doesn't love will like that he's not going to become gay because will loves him and i don't i'm not ready to have a conversation like that but i just

just said that's not how love works and it's just and i said like that's a good broadway strokes of putting i've seen a lot of people like really praising that about i mean there are people pissed about no biler that are ironically talking about a secret episode coming out next week yes all the secret episode so ridiculous but so many people are like there's little hints here and there they're going to be a secret episode next week guys this is the most definitive ending that i can imagine like there ain't no secret episode next week but i've seen a lot of people praising it in terms of like yeah that's something that a lot of young LGBTQ people go through sometimes where it's like you fall in love with someone that doesn't feel the same way and isn't the same as you and you have to deal with that

and I thought the way of dealing with it again that conversation that Mike had with him when they were on the radio tower but again was pretty fucking mature way for a show like stranger things to deal with yeah yeah and again everyone ripped it apart in two for the way he dealt with it but I think most people would be like Mike would probably wait till the time we could get him to the side and have a real conversation along with like the oh shit like that was his moment and it was with a room full of people some you know more than others you can't just be like by the way well you don't want to just do that you kind of yeah no carve some time out especially of your lifelong boys with each other like they are they're bringing them to a party graduation night over at stacy they're all boys

they're all like bro we don't care we love they're they're getting their american pie arc on you know from like oh they're doing that side of things now the our sweet little babies are growing up and they're doing bad things now they're getting drunk and getting crazy with it but even like i said to sienna i said yeah and like vicky and robin i believe are broken up when she's talking about the overbearing significant others what and it's like and i realized she started crying at the end of the series as well not just because of the 11 stuff but at the end of the series because it was over and it hadn't wrapped up exactly the way she wanted and i've realized all her friends and there's a bunch of them they're diehards they've done like free rewatches and the

the last two months alone. They're sad it's over and they're sad. It didn't wrap up exactly as they wanted. And a lot of their nipicks. And listen, I have to understand this with the internet. Now, we're getting older. There's a lot of younger people on the internet and they want this stuff and their voices are being heard. They're probably going viral because there's other kids who agree with it. I think it's crazy. I think the epilogue was perfect or it's very good. I wouldn't say perfect, but very good. And there's people who think it's absolute trash. And it's just, that's just the way it is. And my life experiences, I'm pretty like, I've had a lot of stuff. He just learned that's the way life is.

They haven't learned that yet. Pretty awesome. They haven't learned that yet. They still have this like over the way the world is that Vicky and Robin are getting married. And Steve is going to. It was weird that that didn't get addressed. I will say no like no Vicky in the epilogue, no real like she did make the overbearing relationship comment. But I was just like, oh, for Vicky, just nothing, nothing at all.

Vicki, we meet Vicki at the end of four, right? Yeah. And then we do see her obviously in five and they are religious. And it's an important relationship for Rob. right but i i i wasn't i was a little surprised i wasn't shocked i guess that's the way i yeah no i wasn't shot no and i wasn't like but where was vicky at the end of it i wasn't but i was just like huh interesting that they didn't even let her like make a little cameo in the epilogue vicky's higher on the whatever happened to her scale than max's mom and susy yeah absolutely right

yeah and then we get hop and joyce go out to dinner we have a feeling we know what's coming here i think no joyce no the dumbest person in the world he's ordering caviar on a public don't call joyce the dumbest person in the world she was you know she had a lot on her mind the last few years you know what can I call we can't have her expect in the unexpected world I wouldn't she's gullible oblivious she okay she's not even the dumbest person in Hawkins let's be honest i mean she's like yeah i mean she she actually is like so smarter i guess so like her mind is so unique she believed that will was talking her through the lights and she was right i take it back i take it back all right we see yeah someone's person a little bit she gets uh proposed to by hopper

very nice moment they hit the ad last whole band goes off probably another song they had to pay a lot money for. And he did mention Montauk, which is a little Easter egg because Stranger thinks is kind of based on like the Montauk experiment, the Montauk children where they were doing experiments. The Duffers immediately came out and they were like, guys, everyone chill out when you're saying we're going to get a Montauk spinoff. That is not what we wanted. I think Ross Duffer said his brother really wanted to put that in there. And he was like, I told him this would happen that everyone would say this is going to be the spin off. He's like, I fucking told him this would happen. Yeah. Which one is the older brother?

I feel like the older brother is the smarter one. So it got to be the older one. Yeah, I don't know which one's older, which one's younger. And then to end the theories, we get something that we predicted, but I wasn't like, ah, it's predictable. I was like, no, it was the right way to do it. One final D&D game before they go off to college and before they split off. And the D&D game very much parallels the one from the first one with the storyteller, Mike,

making the creature noises. It seems like they're not going to win the campaign. Their backs have been put up against a wall And then they find out, oh, the mage could do this if we did that And then in such a cool chills bumped up worthy scene Mike lays out how the mage could have survived the whole time And they show us everyone's future kind of He's like, oh, you guys would go do this

And they show us Max and Lucas the movies And you would go do this And they show us Will at a gay bar in college and kind of find in himself and they show us dust and they show all these little futures and then we're kind of just it's led to us to believe whether or not mike's story's the truth or something that he came up with to cope and in his story 11 would not have been able to use her powers because of the big amplifier sonic boom type things so she used a cloak of an invisibility basically from collie who was holding on for dear life she escaped and went off to a place

with three waterfalls and they say is that just something that you know it's just a theory right he says yeah it's a theory but i believe and if you believe like it could be the truth and it ends with all of them in tears saying i believe i really do think that this is probably the last scene they filmed for the show because the tears felt more real than ever like it felt like them saying part of their childhood as they were all putting the books on the shelf and walking up the stairs one last time seeing Holly Wheeler walk down and with her friends rushed down. They have dipshit Derek with them and she's trying to figure out how to be the storyteller. And it's passed on to the next generation.

I thought it was such a nice ending, like a really, really awesome way to cap off the show about growing up. Again, it was a Toy Story 3 style thing where like him looking back and seeing the next generation playing with the Dunson's and Dragon set felt like Toy Story 3. I loved that we got, again, 45 minutes worth of epilogue where I was terrified the whole time if something's going to go wrong, there's nothing but good feelings. And you know what, Clem, I believe, I think in 10, 15 years, we're going to find out that Mike's story was 100% true, and we're going to need to go find 11.

I believe, too, because in the, at the end of the post credits, which everyone apparently didn't stay around for, it said 11 will return an Avengers Doomsday. So it's here And next Christmas I actually tweeted out I said I came until next Christmas season when no big franchises are released and no one can argue about things online

About how they like that Because we're going to have that And Dune 3 going on Which I feel like June 3 is kind of absolved from that Because I don't think of people Oh really? I don't live in the Dune 3 algorithm I guess

Very controversial book So like people are like Oh, people don't love the book Yeah, people don't love the book I will see it's like the Messiah or something like that it's called okay so I do know that book is controversial but I feel like one and two have been pretty there's not been like oh I hate chalema I love shalema I hate the way they've done this I love the way they've done this no like they've been pretty good

Avengers not so much there's going to be well I guess this gave me hope for Avengers oddly like after watching this in my head I went oh like it actually doesn't have to be perfect like in my mind I kept going oh it has to be fucking perfect for people not to hate it and then And I'm just strange of things. Again, this wasn't the perfect finale. There's little nitpicks I would have changed here and there. There's things I would have included. There's things I would have cut out.

But I'm so satisfied that I actually did think yesterday, like, I've got hope for Avengers Doomsday. I think they could pull it off. Yeah. And listen, I got kind of emotional when I saw they have the like side to side screenshots. It starts with the sprinklers on at the Wheeler house. You see the Wheeler house. You go inside.

Mrs. Wheelers at the top of stairs, boys, come on up. And, you know, she's younger. She's like, you know, 10 years. looks so much younger and that is kind of like the young mom with the you know basically i guess nancy's older but the you know younger kids and then by the end she's calling up the kids as they've gotten older with the lasagna she looks so much older she has the scars obviously which are gnarly scars man that was a bad ass right and you're just like damn and i'm thinking this is a parent like what i would have looked like 10 years ago telling cnn and a you know sienna at that

point he wasn't born to come upstairs or she's not who's a baby at that point and to now and i'm like man it's just i thought that was a very cool dynamic of seeing how times change but at the end it's the same just basement door this whole thing is just a story just like a dungeons and dragons game which you know they kind of allude to at the end is it really that is it this guys it's fiction make with it whatever you want which is why the 11 stuff was perfect if you want to believe 11 is alive and at a three water fall place in iceland or whatever believe that if you want to believe she died believe that tony soprano there david change doing everything but saying i fucking killed him

he didn't he didn't so believe whatever you want in the end of the day one like when god forbid you pass away like in your heart heart you can believe what you want just whatever makes you happy like why would you do stuff that doesn't just make you feel good so um and that was like that it's it's a very bold choice for the duffers to not hold the audience's hand in that moment yes it's up to you like if if you think she's your pop sure you believe if if you think That was a ridiculous story. Mike made up to make sure everyone could move on. It's a ridiculous story that he made up.

I liked that they showed us him at a typewriter as well. And then the credits ended with the Stranger Things D&D handbook. I think the thought is that he took all their stories and made his own Stranger Things book of some sort. I love that. And it was, you know, they took that from Game of Thrones a little bit, the finale being like, we're writing the book of the story, which is actually the show that you were watching. But they pulled it off better. in this and there's a lot of things they pulled off better in this i even think just the fact that

coming up from the basement was the way this ended i was like how perfect for my mom's basement like growing up is you're coming up from the basement we're not coming up from the basement we'll never come up from the basement guys keep the white top we'll stay down here yeah as long as uh our dad papa port and way allows us to stay down here we'll stay down here we'll stay down here and talk about but but even me like i'm older than all these kids obviously i felt like i grew up with them like this show premiered the summer that i graduated high school you premiered a month after i graduated high school i'm now 27 years old getting married got a dog yeah that's my version of got kids it feels crazy it feels crazy to think of me watching season one like in my mom's basement

literally my mom doing laundry next to me being like who's this who's that little girl what she have powers like it's crazy that we went through nine years of this with them i know we made all the jokes we could make under the sun about how long it took them to finish this thing off. But it was a true cultural, you call it a touchstone. Like when we think back to this time, this is a show that I think I'll show my kids. I really do think that like when my kids are 10, 11 years old, they'll be like, oh, you got to see this show. And I'll pass it down to the next generation.

Yeah, there's ones like this would have been a show that it would have been DVD worthy, right? If we were still doing DVDs, you get the set. Someone said they should do a DVD box set of the five seasons being. the five books that they put on the shell. There's the five names, and I was like, oh my God, that would look so cool as a box set on your shell. But you got to also make them the size of VHSs. So it's because it's a VHS time period, right?

I've been begging. I tweeted out the Stranger Things Cup. Be like, put the player's manual Dungeons and Dragons book that they show at the end on sale. Because, like, I love how they have the characters. They have their hit points. I saw like a ship's of white hat was 40 gold. If they just had that as either something you could play,

or literally just a coffee book and it takes you through the five seasons all the characters all the places beyond the scenes yeah i would buy that in a heart now granted i am a huge nerd i play dungeons the dragons growing up i hope my kids are going to play i actually contacted the library yesterday i mean like you guys have to start one for kids she has friends that want to play just get just get it done i would i would play i would just read the book i would just love to have that there because again when it's all said and done bob we're not going to think like oh volume two was this or you know i hated that one episode in season too i'm going to be like i'm going to think a string of things have the warm memories 10 scenes or moments that like will bubble up and it's like it's a good memory thrones crazily enough it's so poisoned that like i do remember the good stuff like my buddy came over the other night we were up until like two three in the morning drinking he's like turn on like best aria stark death scene and we watch him like this show was out of this world great But you just didn't want to rewatch it. Bad tasting your mouth because, yeah, you could rewatch like one through six maybe.

This one I think you could rewatch the entire series feel great. You just did the rewatch. Dude, we just did it. And when it ended, I was kind of like, kind of seems like a good series to restart right now. Like we just did it. And I was like, kind of craving a rewatch. I kind of want to go back and do one and two one last time. But I think I'd be good there because then three is where it started again.

And listen, I love Billy. He was a big part of the season. There are great moments of that season. And I love the mall as an idea. But, and then four, the way four ended that I do, and listen, I think we can agree on this because I think we were very vocal after four, how great we think five could be. I don't think it reached the show we had in our minds, but again, it's not our show. But man, that was so cool, how they twisted everything about Vecna and the, the lab or whatever, Hawkins Lab, twisted on its head where Eleven stood in all this. it was pulled off so well

and they could do some really cool stuff with a spinoff they have such deep so much deep story and deep roots and everything but I just don't know I don't think they're gonna I don't think it's gonna get that deep and now with Warner Brothers taking over I'm kind of concerned about where it could all go or them buying Warner Brothers

who knows how that affects the spinoffers are not like necessarily being secretive about they came out the day after the finale and they were like the spinoff is going to be focused on that briefcase that rock that infected Henry Creel. We're going to go much deeper into that. They said it's like, it's not going to be a show where we're getting

cameos from all of these characters. They said their stories are completely over until, again, 10, 15 years from now. And they're like, oh, we're doing Stranger Things 2000. But it does seem like it could be interesting. If you go a little bit more into the lore, I love the world building lore stuff. And you take it to a new setting, which might even be the 40s. If he's in high school in the 50s, I'm not really sure.

everyone just thought when they said we're doing a new setting and a new time period everyone's like where are they going in the 90s are they going to follow nancy to boston have a detective show they're going to follow the whole group to new york and we're just going to recreate friends with them as a sitcom it doesn't seem like any of that stuff's happening i am in the zone now where you tell me spinoff's coming i'll get pretty excited for it they're also doing an animated spinoff which i'm not as excited for i don't know if you saw that's tales from 85 takes place in between seasons two and three let me start doing that stuff it's like well there's no stakes because we know you know, everyone's fine in season three. So that I'm not like over the moon looking forward to. But yeah, as a whole, like you said, it's been an unbelievably consistent show. There's episodes here and there that we didn't love. There's seasons that we liked more than others. But nine years of a consistent sci-fi show starring mostly kids, it's crazy what they pulled off. It's incredible.

And where it was to where it got to in terms of just size. Yeah. Oh, it's the biggest show in the world right now. It's crazy. It's what everyone's talking about. And in the end, excuse me, I think I said it's basically, it was a solid four out of five balls for me. It was eight out of ten, whatever you want to say. I think you said eight seven for you.

Yeah, eight seven. This final season, I guess it's a four. There was, I think that last epilogue, I think really raised it a bunch. Listen, I watch Can't Harley Wade. It's one of my favorite movies ever. And they have like a two-minute snippet where they tell you what happened on the cards. And it was the gold standard in my. mind because it's fun it doesn't think itself too seriously but it gives you an idea what happens

in the future and this thing took that and really stretched it out yeah the sandlot does a good job of it uh mall rats right it's like mallrats yeah they should the wedding and everything yeah so i love that and yeah like like you're saying to stretch it out to 45 minutes and be like hey we're going to leave you with almost an hour of just warm feelings with the characters you love that was a really cool way to end yeah and that's why i that's all i was hoping for going into it was just make me feel good about the way it was. And in the end, I was like, I just liked it. I was happy.

It was like the show. I liked the ending. And I am like, at this point, you're like, I got away on Scave again. It's when the plane lands, got here. Everyone's happy and healthy. Let's get the hell off and move on to the next one. All right. So let's hear it.

The Bob, the brain. I said it right. Didn't say the bill. Yep. And do you want to go for volume, volume three here? I can say, just the finale, or is it? as a whole as a season five or the series so i think those are two awards okay let's do let's do finale and then series because we did do MVP for volume one and two exactly and i don't there's

not really enough that happens in all of them to need a five so volume three yeah who's your MVP for volume five this is tough it's hard not to go chalk and say 11 because of what she did she really did step up when we needed her to. But I'm going to go with Mike because Mike has always been one of my favorite characters in this show. And on our rewatches, I did admit, like, ah, Mike could have been a little better there. Oh, Mike could have been a little better there.

And the way we end, not only ended with the epilogue and the storytelling about the mage, but even the conversation he had with Will, even the conversation he had with 11, I thought that was all really, really good. So I'm going to give my guy Mike a shout out there. Okay. I think it's a good one. Mike is like Russell Wilson was back in the day where Russ, everyone knows Russ. He was always like mentioned in the top QBs and whatever, won a Super Bowl.

However, like he's never famously never got an MVP vote. And that's kind of like Mike. He's always existed in the means, but he's never the guy. It's a bit of a lifetime achievement MVP award I'm giving him here. It's a little bit of that for sure. But he had the last lawns of the series, you know, first lawns of the series, last lines in the series. Yeah.

And in the end, it didn't feel like he stole it. Where Sam getting to write the book at the end of it, even though it's his thing. It's like, kind of we're just walking around with someone else's, you know, baby mama. No, yeah.

That was Mike's story to tell for sure of the whole group. He was the best one. Yep. I'll go, I think Mike is probably the right answer, but I'll go Henry. You say the actor in general, man.

He, I think he might have won it once or twice, but he probably won it season four volume two. Absolutely incredible. That guy, Sadie Sink, I think, is my bet to have the biggest career just because she's already in the MCU and I imagine if she's Gene Gray or whoever she was in the

whale like she's in like not only the MCU and stranger things thought but like actually art movies her picture yeah yeah so I'm going to go her I'm going to go with him I'll go uh Henry and because again the way he wore those emotions in the cave I thought that was awesome dude if Marvel and DC aren't banging at his door trying to unload dump loads of money for him to play any villain really who could he be is there anyone off the top of your head? I mean, you're, you know a lot of Batman guys. Could he be a two-fates? I was going to say, we all have Joker fatigue.

But if you told me he was playing the Joker, I would be like, all right, I can see that. I've seen some people say, what about Scarecrow? What if you straight up do like almost a Henry Creel style and get him in your dreams? Like, I think Scarecrow could be a really cool one. But it doesn't have to be a Batman villain either. I think he could go over into the MCU and play a fucking crazy Norman Osborne or a crazy even like, you know something like that harry osborne even whole lot of x-men villains opening up too down oh dude mr sinister like i could see him as a fucking weird but crazy mr sinister

yeah like mr sinister too he's yeah i like he's the kind of actor that i will seek out whatever his next project is just because he's in it yeah if if they announce him either those or you know any other franchise in particular or like a movie he's in it that I'm more likely to go after we're hearing him than before, for sure. And then a series MVP, I feel like I have to give it to 11 with everything she did.

But I'm not going to do that. I'm going to go in a different direction. I'm going to give it to the mom. We're in my mom's basement. It's Joyce. She was the star of season one. And sure, in the middle, she didn't get a lot to do.

But she was the one that, Got the final swing on Henry Creel, the final swing on Vecta. She's the one that finally put it to rest. So I'll give Joyce her flowers here. That's fair. She's like the only one who actually knows where her kid is and her kids in an upside time. No one can see him.

Like that's, that's pretty good in the 80s. Uphill battle trying to raise Jonathan and Will through all this. She did the best she did. Yeah. The husbands, their dad's a deadbeat. Lonnie. Forgot about Lonnie until the rewatch. He's drinking up.

You since he was sick. Shut up, Jonathan, but then to NYU. Yes. I'll go. And this is both based on how, when I see, when I think of Stranger Things,

the first person I think of, the first character, along with, honestly, just like a fucking guy who fucking stirred me, the straw that stirred the drink, and the one that basically

is the reason anything good happened to them. And it's fucking my boy. And it's after Bob the brain, himself, and it's fucking the valedictorian himself, big brain dusting. This guy would just take a D&D character, be able to be like, this is what's going on here, talk

to the teacher, get like a little more knowledge and figure out everything. The one thing he fucked up was like, hey, the radio tower isn't going to go directly into the planet. There's one little fuck. Understandable, he went 99 out of a thousand. He batted

99 on his hunches and guesses using a couple characters from using tropes also yeah like 80s and stuff like that return of the genitals yeah oh my guy dustin just didn't miss so uh i'm gonna i hope he has a good career i hope he's not typecast from this he's got such a specific look that i fear that for him but you watch interviews with him do he's such a likable guy i think he's a jersey guy too i'm pretty sure he lives in jerse yeah i don't want him to like down the road have to go like when Pauli Colkin started being edgy to try, like, you know, I want him to do all right.

He might go straight to Broadway, to be honest. He was doing Broadway stuff before Stranger Things. And I know he talks about it in interviews. He listens to show tunes all the time. Like, I can see him being a really big player on Broadway. I hope that they all just have enough money where they can just do whatever they want and be happy if that's what they want. I agree. So that's my MVP, my Dusty Bear, my Dusty, Dusty Bin.

Dusty Bun. Dusty Bunn. LVP for the volume in the season. I hate to do it to her but it's Holly and it's not even her it's not listen it's not even her fault it's just I all of those scenes where that was my least favorite part of the season far in a way so it would have to be Holly yeah someone's like they should have had like maybe hey sorry we tried to like choke you out and kill you between the killing you so are you and everyone thought that would be a spin-off as well the duffers are like no there's no

we're not doing that it was just meant to be next generation did you see the quote where they said after four they're like yeah in five we plan on just you know not going to introduce any no new characters really just like hammer home the ones we love it's like no guys you didn't do that and that was the biggest problem um so she was she years for the series as well does that no full series i she only affected you know a couple episodes at the end full series lvp is that absolute bitch who 11 hit with her rollerbladed after she had fun around Angela? Was it Angela? It might be Angela, yeah. Bitch. Are you watching that? I was like, wow. That's the moment that sticks out. You said that might be the most evil thing 11 ever,

Beckna ever did this episode. That might be the most evil thing done in this series. The entire series. Like, your dead dad's diorama, suck. That still pisses me off. Do they pour milkshake on or is that what they do? And they film it all? and then they're laughing.

Yeah. And looking back, I was like, that was pretty fucked up. And I'm like, but you know what, 11 just cracking her with that skate was really fucked up too. But you know what? Again, when I thought of that season, the first thing I think, I'm like, oh, we're getting the roller skate scene. Like, it does stick out. And you know what? I was rooting for it.

I'm not going to lie. That makes me a bad person. So be it. I think that's the right answer. I'll go LVP for the season. I'll go win to Hamilton, not her fault. Oh, yeah. That's the Hamilton's character.

That's the perfect answer. That's the perfect answer. Dr. Kay. Dr. Kay. And then the series, I'm going to go the like armed military. It's like. Yeah, that's fair. Russian military.

Including Russians, everything. Like, I wish they didn't have to bring as much of that into the show. I didn't get any more enjoyment. If I want to watch a show like that, I'll watch a show like that, you know? Yes. I would have liked it, stranger things. And like we said, it was the tooth-based. It was like they introduced it.

And then you couldn't put the toothpaste back in the tube, so we just got stuck with them. Yeah. And it was what it was. And it did serve a purpose. I understand that. But for me, it just not that kind of show, kid. Like, I didn't want that. Yeah.

And then, I guess last thing now that it's all over, rank them, seasons one through five. So I ranked them. Would you allow me to tie two seasons on this? Yes. In my mind, I have two seasons tied right now. So season one is my favorite. season four is my second favorite okay season two is my third favorite and then i think it's very easy for me to say three and five are tied for last place but i enjoyed both of them i think three was

more consistent throughout i think five had the higher highs so i find them very on level with each other right now maybe if i went back and rewatched as a whole i would feel differently but right now i'm saying three and five are tied for last and that's not i'm not not really putting them down again i really like both these seasons all right so put the bookmarking your brain when you do the rewatch you have yeah bring it up on the base and say this is where i stand i'm allowing you to tie with the promise that you will untie i'll eventually untie them i will promise 0.0.0.0.000 difference you have to then untie and listen i wouldn't lie friends don't lie That was a big part of the friends don't lie, Vecta don't lie, ball don't lie.

Those three things do not lie. Can we make that a shirt? I like that. Imagine Vecta don't lie and it's his face with the green headband on. I love it. We talked about it, the behind the scenes pictures of him, which there's some more that have come out since this. Him smoking, him in the back of a golf cart, him with the kids like smiling. Always funny.

Always hits. Always hits. So what's your ranking then? So one is, and I'm going to even listen to this, since Bob tied, I'm going to give you tiers to then give you like show even more separation. One tier on its own, two, tier on its own, four, tier, tier, five, three. I'll put five and three on the same tier. In the same tier as four.

No, it goes one, and then it's a tier break. Oh, one, tier break, two, tier break. Four, tier break. Four. Gotcha. Three, five. I'll give them same tier. Three has more fun, 80s nostalgia stuff. Mall, music.

We didn't get a lot of that in this because we're dealing a lot in the upside down and stuff, which makes sense in five. But five also has that, it's honestly the last like 40 minutes that put five. Yeah. I could have been dead last if they didn't nail that. Easily dead last if they don't nail it. And it's, again, it wasn't bad. It was just, we didn't have a stretch in Stranger Things. I felt where we had like three episodes in a row, like volume two, where we went,

ah, they were okay. I never felt like there was a three episodes stretch like that. So that's why five would go low for me. This finale skyrocketed it up. It's like, you know, this was the final. It counted for a lot more of your grade. Yeah. It's when they show the graphics to Barstall graphics.

It's like, Clem's going to be there. And Dave's going to be there. I was like, all right. Dave's right. That's the finale. It's not the numbers. Yeah. So there we go.

We talked about the Stranger Things finale for almost as long as the actual finale lasted, Clem. We're going on two hours. This is one of the longest episodes in a long time. But hopefully it's a fun one for everyone to listen to. Hopefully it's a good debrief, fallout type episode. This is the epilogue to the epilogue, if you will. And I hope everyone had a good New Year as well. We didn't really talk about that.

But it's 2026 now. So we've got a hell of a year ahead of us, Mandalorian and Groku, Avengers Dooms Day, new Spielberg, new Nolan, new Denny Villenev. We've got an amazing year in the basement ahead of us, and I believe it's going to be a great one, Clint. Do you believe? I do believe.

Very special, extremely extravaganza, great episodes of my mom's basement are coming up. If you guys disagree with anything in the comments of the YouTube video, and if you disagree with that person says, you then comment. And let's get a billion comments on this video. It'll help the algorithm. There we go. That was Stranger Things, and we'll see it in 10 years for Stranger Things, the reboot. 11.

We'll actually see you next week. All right.