My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 499.75 - PUNISHER: ONE LAST KILL/THE BOYS S5E7 RECAPS

Episode Date: May 16, 2026

Robbie and Clem discuss the penultimate episode of #TheBoys as well as the #PunisherOneLastKill special this week! Plus some news including Ahsoka's delay, The Batman Part II casting, and more! **************************************** My Mom's Basement is a weekly podcast hosted by Robbie Fox, started in March 2019, to discuss movies, music, comic books, wrestling, mixed martial arts, and more with his friends and idols alike! Subscribe on iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/my-moms-basement/id1457255205 Follow Robbie on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thatrobbiefox Follow Robbie on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RobbieBarstool My Mom's Basement Merchandise: https://store.barstoolsports.com/collections/my-moms-basementYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mymomsbasement

Hey, My Mom's Basement listeners, you can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Hello and welcome to My Mom's Basement, presented by Barstall Sports, and a very, very special Punisher and the penultimate episode of the boys' series episode of My Mom's Basement. This isn't just penultimate of a season, Clem. It's pretty rare we get a penultimate for an entire series. We're going to break it all down. We've got a little bit of news to talk about, but I'm excited.

excited double very you know it's double very special you know where it stands on the special chart you know i'm running out of adjectives when i hit the very twice i mean you have the finale next week mando mando coming up the week after that a whole summer and fall worth of releases you do have to hold some adjectives back or else you'd be repeated well i think next week's going to be back-to-back episodes by the way because the boys finale is the day before mando and grogo even comes out so everyone prepare for that next week you're getting a double dose in the basement. Yeah, because I feel like I think we talked about this offline. It wouldn't make sense to have both on the same episode because there is such a difference potentially in people who care about one, not the other. You have a

straight up series finale followed by a movie. So people avoiding spoilers. Keep church and state separate in two episodes. That's the way to go, I think, Bob. And we saw the Mandalorian and Grogu yesterday as we're recording this. We're going to save our thoughts for episode 500, but I'll show everyone just this. I'll show you this. Boom. There's us with the big man of Grogo. Were we in the movie? Tune in and find out.

Tune in and find out. Episode 500. Next Thursday, it's going to be out. As soon as you guys are done with the movie, no matter when you see it, I think the first showtimes in the country are like 2 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. As soon as you guys leave the theater,

the episode will be uploaded so you could listen to us on the way home. And we'll have thoughts. We definitely have thoughts, but we're going to save them. And that's my favorite way. for any kind of like a review podcast is straight from the movie and then you're just with the fellas in the basement, you chopping it up. You guys, you can talk to us too. We can't answer because obviously

you recorded it days before. But this way, it's just, you know, a bunch of friends just chatting in the basement. Yeah, come on down to the basement. Talk a little Star Wars with us. Speaking of Star Wars, before we get into anything show-wise, we've got a little bit of news, the first of which is Assoc is delayed again. This is crazy, Clem. And it's not Kathleen. Kennedy's fault. I don't think. She's gone. So we can't blame it on her, although this was under her, you know, power. I don't know. It's delayed to 2027. The first season was 2023, Clem. We're getting four years in between seasons. It's like, what fuck's happening? So I, when I saw this, I said, oh, okay, because I think I was pretty clear. Like, I was fond with the show.

I had fun with it. But I don't have all the other background stuff. So it was like, oh, watch that for work. Me and Bob talked about it. Had fun. fun. I had no clue. It's been that long. So that just completely throws me off. You know, just getting all these dates and the years and everything. I'm completely lost, obviously, since 2020. I think time is becoming a standstill for a lot of us. It's kind of like Star Wars' thing at this point. Timelines and projects getting scrapped. At least it didn't get scrapped. You want to spin zone. Didn't get scrap. I guess we can still use Kathleen Kennedy as the scapegoat because it was under her watch where it was approved. Does her, now this is my,

my question. I don't think we can blame her for this if her key card and email is so like if someone wants to email Kathleen. Kennedy at Disney.com and it bounces back, she's absolved from this. That's how I think we have to do it. Should we do that live on the pod right now, Bob? You write her an email right now, live on the pod. Yeah, I could write her a little email, but I don't think it does still work. I'm going to say that. I think she's still welcome. I think they're, you know, they're still friendly and whatnot, but I don't think that email is still active. So who's our next scapegoat then? That's my question to you.

Filoni, I guess. And we like Faloni. He's our guy. But like this is also he like helped create Asoka. He's so involved in Asoka. I think it's Faloni. I think it's on him. That's the golden child.

Right. I know. That's the golden child for obviously the diehards like you. For me, the people who aren't as diehard and maybe a little late to the game, he's the child that is, I am told, is golden by all you guys. Yeah. So it's like. And this is the thing.

I don't know how Mando is going to go. We each have our opinions on the movie. That release, plus this news, could make him, could wipe off some of the gold. A lot of that's going to fall in Filoni, for sure. I mean, he's the co-writer of the movie, him in Favreau, like, develops that. So whatever people think of the movie

is going to be what they think of the first iteration of the Filoni era, for sure. Does it make him a silver child, a bronze? You know, you can't tell gold and bronze. apart if you don't see it make him a platinum child oh could make him a platinum child though so or just I mean the child is obviously a little green guy right so that's almost the gold the gold standard I was going to say I also got so but this is this is my thoughts this is my question to you Asoka how are you feeling about is it like did they say why the delay was is it like are you worried

like obviously you're bummed as a fan but are you kind of to just. I don't know if worried is the word, but confused because as far as I know they wrapped this a long time ago, which is always not a great sign, you know. Don't like that, Bob.

You know, like, you've been wrapped for a while, months. Rosario Dawson is like, you know, got diarrhea or something. You know, I'm trying to think of like, I'm trying to think of ways, you know, I saw the stomach plug is going around.

I saw the next year. Yeah, exactly. I mean, that's a hell of a delay. It must be a hell of a diarrhea. But, like, I saw the calves have the stomach bug. So I was like, stomach bug is going around the Asoka set, and that calls the delays. If it's done, so it's done shooting. And we're based on. And it's been done for a long time, dude, which my first thought is Ironheart.

And I don't compare those two, but, like, Ironheart was wrapped for, like, five years before we finally got it. So it's confusing to me with this. And I don't know if it's because of reshoots, because we haven't heard anything about reshoots. but when there's that much space, maybe there's a fucked-on of a CGI in the season and they want to nail it? I don't know. I got great news for everyone.

Yeah, it's a CGI thing. Or this definitely is under Kathleen Kennedy's watch now. She's definitely, Bologna, you're off the metal chopping block. You're not going to lose any potential metals, precious metals on your skin. You're fine. Kathleen Kennedy, definitely on the chopping buck. The only thing is you can't write angry letters to her

because her emails are going to bounce back to you. So that's the big one. That's the biggest problem. So kind of a win for her, lost for the Star Wars fans, that this is one of those things that sticks in the back of your head. Kind of with solo, right? You were like, kind of was a shit show. I hope it all ends up being all right.

I don't think it had that level of, you know, changing hands and everything. But yikes. A little bit of a yikes. I actually had my cousin text me, who's a teacher in a high school. And this week, she was like, my students want to know what you think about Kathleen Kennedy. I was like, what? Now at all times, too.

Like, I guess Mando and Grogu is coming up and people are thinking about it or whatever, but she's been gone for a little while. So I did give my tried and true take of she doesn't deserve the flack for the creative stuff, at least all of the flak that she gets, but she does deserve the flag for the canceled and delayed projects and whatnot. Because people will look at like a random episode of the Mandalorian and they'll be like, she shouldn't have made that decision. It's like, she wasn't making any of those fucking decisions.

but when you look at the long list of the things that have gotten canceled and delayed under her watch, that's inexcusable. What you should have done has been like, that's my take on Kathleen Kennedy. Now, here's my coworker Frank the Tank's thoughts on Kathleen Kennedy. And then just turn the camera on, make sure your battery is fully charging your phone because it might wipe the entire battery off by the time he's done. But that would have been a great way to, how old are the kids? I think they're like probably freshman, which like even that that is like. funny. Calumetian school would have been much funny.

They call him Frank the Grump. That's what my kids call him. The guy who always yells, the guy is always yelling at you. It's like, yeah, that's Frank the Grum. Yeah, he's a bit of a grinch. Another new story that I found not confusing, but maybe a little bit, Aaron Paul posted a script for Invincible and teased that he's coming back as Powerplex. The last time we talked about Aaron Paul and Invincible, he was saying he couldn't, he didn't

want to return because the character was not in the right psyche for him that it was too dark to play. And we were both like, this motherfucker played a torture Jesse Pinkman. Powerplex doing the voices too much. Maybe he was just trolling with that, but I'm excited to get him back in season five. I hope he just like read the Twitter replies and the memes or it's like, listen, pussy, bitch, you're fucking out. You can, you can do that. If Breaking Bad didn't make a bazillion dollars, you would have taken this role and sucked anyone's dick to get it. Like, what are we talking about here, Aaron Paul?

I like you, Aaron Paul, but come on. I like him, too. But yeah, what else is he doing, respectfully? I think he's going to be in Fallout season three or something, but it's, again, like, he does random appearances here and there. What movie was he in after? He was in some, like, Grand Turismo movie or something? I don't know if he's a different racing game,

but it's like, I don't know, I love the guy, but, bro, you're going to turn down Powerplex because you got whatever, you got a weird psyche about the character who was in one episode, strange. for speed. That's the need for speed, right. I mean, it's like, yeah, you're turning down a role on the best comic show of all time other than maybe X-Men, which I'm running with. I'm running with at this point, Bob, let's run with that take. We could be on that team early. It's not a hot take. You can run with that take. I'm a Batman the animated series guy. Come on. Oh, so you're not even giving them a chance to clear Batman, huh? I'm not giving them a chance just in my head. They got a lot of room to cover. I got my Batman the animated series, box. set right here. That's fine. Honestly, I didn't really watch any of them. So I'm not saying better, worse, or whatever. And I think there's probably, it's a Batman, X-Men, and Spider-Man? Some people have Spider-Man up there as well. Some people would, yeah. Like, I've seen a lot of the Spider-Man

episodes. I don't know the whole series like I do the other one, so I can't put my neck out for it. Okay, fair enough. But I'm going to stay with my take of Invincible, with X-Men being kind of like my, that's the one-two and who's going to end up in front when they're all finished with Invincible. what is the best live action which is said Like off the top of my head If you count the Daredevil Netflix series And Born Again Together

Which I kind of do in my head Same cast and everything Like that's up there for sure I think Loki's up there Even though it was only two seasons Loki just They closed the loops No pun intended

In such a great way That I was like Oh my God by the time Loki's fucking god of stories At the end I could get chills talking about it dude Oh my What?

What else is up there as far as live? I mean, there's definitely people out there that would probably put agents of shield up there, although I never watched it. I know it started rough, but I think people really enjoyed agents of shield by the end of its run. And Arrow people loved on the CW. I think that kind of went off a cliff by the end, though. I'm looking at a list right now.

Honestly, funny enough, you know what the number one is right now, and I think it's number one in IMD ratings, the boys, which I will, I think we can all agree. I'd say it's an 8-6. I'd say it was probably higher before the more recent seasons, including this one right now. Daredevil. You mean watchman?

HBO Watchman, I would put up there. Watchman is seven. That is considered a mini-series because it was so short. It was that whatever. But that, that for me, might be my favorite single season. I would probably have Loki as one, just because like there are some like remember all the loki's and the stuff with the void um get the style you're tying it in with obviously the events of and it felt important like it

truly felt like it had like stakes in the marvel universe felt like it was pushing things forward the tva breaking open the multiverse like as far as the multiverse saga goes nothing did like multiversal shit as good as loki did and i'm looking at this this was made by someone five years ago modified four years ago so it's outdated for sure it probably doesn't have the boys recent stuff and it doesn't have the second season of loki probably on there so yeah interesting interesting um so Aaron Paul good for you I guess collect that paycheck suck it up dude suck it the fuck he's playing a character too that like would do anything probably to have a life like Aaron Paul and he's yeah I have to say I rented the invincible versus video game

found out Gamefly is still So Red Box dead Remember I asked Bob I was like red box still around like I think there might be one In like my mom's community or something Yeah All right looked it up I think 24 died

Gamefly however still open Signed up for a month trial Got it And the reason I did a trial Is because I heard people beat the one player campaign Granted it's a fighting game So you're not You don't really live on the campaigns

it. I finished it in, I think, an hour 22. So it's short. And it's like, I'm not going to be someone who has the time to just play the computer or play online, play fighting games. It's just not the way my life is these days. So I was like, let me just do this. It was fun. It has an original story. It's not too deep. But like you get to just beat the shit out of people with all the invincible characters. Fun time. So if A, you want to just spend a bunch of money or B, you want to rent on Gamefly, I think it's worth checking it out if you're an invincible fan. I loved the tweet. Someone said, like, my. boyfriends playing the Invincible versus game as Cecil and he just said Donald clip this out loud. That really cracked me up.

When you say original story, I was kind of curious about that. Is it like a multiverse thing where it's like we're taking this in a completely different direction? Or is it a story that kind of fits in the Invincible like TV show that we have now? So it really is like independent of it. I was like, shit, am I going to get spoilers in this? Because obviously the bugs. It doesn't spoil anything. It doesn't jump ahead.

I'd say we're actually probably. it's actually behind the current storyline. Okay. So, and you just kind of do like a one-off thing. But is it like Omni Man is still like a total villain and Mark hates him or is it like? So I'm trying to think where Omni Man stands. Like they don't really, because like everyone kind of, I'm trying to think of if they don't like each other to start the story.

But like you know all the Viltramites. There's all, there's like three Voltramites there. Thrag is not there though. So that's like why I don't know where it stands. Conquest. is in it, right? Conquest is in it, which is sick, because I'm like, I think he's going to be in Fortnite. I just saw him and Cecil are going to Fortnite. Yes, that's pretty awesome.

Running around as Cecil is just so funny to me. Like, I feel like that would be the character I would want to play as, just because it's silly to me. Every time I saw Cecil, like my heart just warmed up. It was great. And a good transition bringing up Watchmen a few minutes ago, because I have little lanterns news. And Lanterns, made by Damon and Lindeloff, the same guy's Watchman, is set in two time periods one in 2016 one in 20206 it begins with a shooting in a small rural town that hal jordan is convinced is an alien incident that pitch right there i'm like that's gonna be fucking awesome we're going a little timeline jumping 10 years in the past we've got a shooting that he's saying as an alien

incident like everything about that i'm like i can't believe people are kind of down on this just because the suits aren't green enough whatever oh i forgot the weird old lantern fans were really mad at that I thought when you said, they're going to be mad at that. I know, like a weird old lantern fans. I mean, I'm a weirdo in my own way

for the stuff I'm a fan of so don't take it too personally, even though I know you guys will. I, when you said that, I thought that there was like a very, like, targeted thing by,

like, the vast majority of people. It's like, this is going to suck for some reason I didn't realize. Yeah. I was going to say, man,

I would just think about Watchmen and when you bring a blend of off, I'm fucking hyped, man. I haven't I haven't dove into a lot of the stuff he's done but the stuff that I have I fucking love. I didn't do loss but I know lost like in the beginning was unbelievable. It was more they just didn't plan for it to become what it became. One of my favorites it was ever.

I'm putting Lantern on the watch list for potential best live action TV show list that we just were talking about two minutes ago. How do you think about that? I'm with you, dude. of power. Lindelof has that kind of pull for me for sure. You know what Lindelof is for for like TV shows? A golden child. That's a golden child. That's a golden child. Yeah. And then the only other new story I had is Matt Reeves has really been ramping up the hype for Batman part two. If you follow Matt Reeves on Twitter, he's been putting up gifts of the entire cast, including a few new cast members. Brian Tyree Henry is one that he added who was in Eternals. He was the eternal that like

let Hiroshima happen and was like, let this happen or whatever. He's also in Bullet Train. He's been in a bunch of stuff, Atlanta, one of my favorite actors who can do serious and comedic. So I'm excited for that. A lot of people think he's playing Bullock and he'll go back and forth with Jeffrey Wright's Commissioner Gordon in that. I think Matt Reeves even liked a tweet that suggested he might be playing him.

So I'm excited about that. And just, I think keep an eye on his Twitter, because last time you might remember he did like screen tests. That was the first time we saw the Batman suit. I'm thinking maybe we'll see a screen test or two of Gilda Dent, Scarlett Johansson or Harvey Dent himself, Sebastian Stan. I guess we still don't know if she's playing Gilda, but I think she is. And I'm excited.

He tweeted one screen test of snow, like in the Batmobile. He tweeted hashtag snow tires. So he did confirm this is taking place during the winter. We're going to get Snowy Gotham for the first time since Batman returns. Or no, since Dark Night Rises. Which we thought was going to happen. based on the book. I don't know if it's the book,

but the timeline, obviously the water has, you know, breached or whatever, and then with the penguin and all the stuff that happened in that show. Okay.

Matt Reeves, potential golden child as well for the DC University. He hits this. Big time. This is like, oh, the penguin,

we forgot to mention the penguin. That's up there for live action. That is. That's one, like, I almost think you need two seasons to be considered. Yeah.

True. Because it's like watchman could definitely be that but they're calling it a miniseries or at least on i am to me they are plus i you got to give me more than one you just got the penguin might get season two it did get registered on like the writers guild site or something like that so fingers crossed yeah i wouldn't wouldn't oppose it one bit i am like you worry because you have such fond memories of the first they hit that one out of the part kind of like with this one if he it's a reaves almost hits a single here you're like oh man

up there obviously you say nolan and you know uh what's his name Burton, like they are names that have just dominated it. He's right on the Rushmore with them. If he does the second one as good as the first one, he's not going for a single though. He strikes he's a guy that's going for the double, at least stand up. White people are talking about the script.

Yeah. People are saying like Sebastian Stan said Robert Pattinson said, Andy Circus, they're all like, this script is so ambitious. It's so crazy. It could be way better than the first one. Like they're hyping it to a level where I think they know the script is a banger. And they wouldn't be saying these things, if not, you know, years out from the moor, I guess it's just a year out.

It's going to be next year. But I know it's marketing. And we could say, oh, of course they're hyping it up. I just have a feeling. I really do. And I think Matt Reeves understands Batman and Gotham as good as anyone ever has. I saw a stat yesterday that obviously the Batman, the first one focused on Batman, way more than Bruce Wayne. And I think there was like a hundred and twenty nine minutes total where Batman appears on screen in the Dark Night trilogy.

And he, like, did more than that in just his one movie. I think there's like 150 minutes or something crazy where Batman is on screen. Where it's like he's committed to this. I do think we'll get a little more Bruce Wayne in this because I think he'll have to use his status now as billionaire playboy to help the city. But I'm really excited. I can hear. This is like, that's your version of Jose. There's a little bit of boyish wonder in that voice right now by our boy Bob.

And I'm very happy for him that he has the Batman. coming out. Come on. Oh, there it is. I got my Lego, Lego Battenson with the Batmobile

over here. Come on. Now, I'm saying this as both a co-host and as a friend. I have to, like,

try to figure out a way to, like, not even, like, pump the brakes, but just like, I need you not

to think it's going to be the greatest movie ever. And you're going to probably say, no matter what. Yeah, okay,

I, fuck it, just let them ride. Like, I, I, can't even do anything about it this way it's too late i would have to go back in time when you're like seven yeah potentially get like to the point where that wouldn't happen now uh but uh because it's

it's gonna be hype man i'm excited my boy charles dance right oh yeah i'm gonna honestly you're probably playing christopher dent maybe with a court of owls connection too oh my god don't get me started it makes me want to just rewatch the classic thrones days is one of the things we want to do. No, you got to do what you said last week. Just Charles Dance Best Seen's and then go through that. No time travel. No king that has to say he's the king is a true king or whatever in the line.

It's so good. Speaking of time travel, I do want to shout out super critics this week. We broke down Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 3, which they label now as Turtles in Time, which it's not turtles and time. They just want people to think it's the video game because it's a bad movie, really, really bad. But I kind of like the idea of a My Mom's Basement movie. where Clem has to go back in time to temper my expectations for something.

But maybe Ant Man and the Wask, Guantamania, like you're like, I have to go back in time. Do that for both of us, because when we went to Mandel last night, we're like, oh, what was the worst movie you've seen on the screen? Yeah. Yeah. We immediately had Quantum Media like, oh, I hope it's not quantumania.

And you'll find out if it was on episode 500, my mom's baseball. Come on next week. Spectacular. Yeah. Yeah. I, I just wanted to be clear,

you're shouting out super critics. You're not shouting out Ninja Turtles 3. No. It's sounded like that was, and sometimes I'm like, I want to listen to these guys more if it's a steaming pile of shit

because it's like, you're like, I can't really have to spend two hours of money. I feel like at least back then, it was what, two hours of those movies? Like they weren't crazy. Not even. Three is not even two hours.

And it's, it is what it is, but there's just such bizarre, bizarre choices made in the movie. They have Casey Jones, the actor that plays, Elias Codias, who's a great actor. He's got nothing to do as Casey Jones,

which is the coolest fucking most aura character in the TMNT universe. And then he's back in time as his own ancestor, but they never really talk about that. He's just like he's got a beard and like no long hair. And they just multiple times make references to how he looks like Casey Jones, but never even like confirm.

It's strange. Check out super critics. I love it. All right. Let's get into The Punisher. one last kill. This was the one-off special coming the week after Daredevil.

And we kind of thought this was going to bridge the gap and show us maybe where Frank was during Daredevil, Born Again, Season 2, and why he's going to be involved in Spider-Man brand new day. Didn't really do either one of those things, Club. It was kind of just a one-off. It felt like a one-shot comic, for sure,

where it's like it could kind of take place anywhere in the timeline and we're following him on this one story. But interesting that they didn't even really hint at either one of those things on either end. So pretty much the whole reason for this, what do they call it, special presentation, right? Yeah. They put Punisher on the chessboard officially.

And you've seen him in Daredevil and whatever, but, and obviously he had a show, but for the people that didn't do either, it's like, all right, on Disney Plus, we launched this. He's there. He's now in the Marvel universe. We do not have to do anything else. We don't have to, there's going to be a little introduction of him if he's in a Spider-Man or an Avengers or whatever it may be. That's it.

It's done. So they check the box on that. Congrats Disney. They also, like, this is what I was hoping for it. I was hoping they were to put on my chestboard. I'd hope we'd have some cool action scenes. And I was just hoping for some sort of like a, this is in the MCU. And we're going to get a little advancement.

One to 10, 10 being like the snap happens at the end of it. One being like, I don't even, one of those stupid fucking like post-credit scenes that mean nothing. I was home for like a two. We just got a zero, I think. Right? Is that fair to say? Kind of is. Yeah. And I didn't dislike this. I'll say I came out of this special with gripes for sure. But I was like, that was fucking Punisher.

That was the vibes that I think the Punisher comics give off for sure. Crazy violent. The amount of gore. I watched this with poor Lady Fox. It was like, I'm going to throw on the Punisher special. She was looking away for half the thing. And I don't blame her. The amount of gore in this thing.

And she always brings up, it always makes me laugh that Lizzie McGuire, the reboot got canceled on Disney Plus because they didn't want Lizzie McGuire like have sex. They're like, ah, it's a little too adult for Disney Plus. And then they have this on Disney Plus where people are getting stabbed in the throat with pens and they're showing us just over and over and over. I mean, Clem, a dog gets thrown in front of a bus, like two minutes into the special. And the only saving grace in that scene is the fact that if it lasted any longer, you might have put it on the Suss list.

Oh, that's funny. That hurts, Bob. I'll be where it hurts. That's not right. I mean, I just wrote WTF dog. Like, what the fuck was that all about? Camo the dog, RIP. Yeah, exactly.

I don't, I don't know why they had to establish these bad guys were bad guys by killing the dog. And I would like to say it's the worst thing a Marvel villain has ever done in the history of these Marvel shows. Unfortunately, my boy, T-man snapped away half of the dogs in the universe, including, you know, all the other people. shirt with them on. Yeah, I'm rocking his t-shirt. However, I recently saw something

about how, like, Thanos didn't kill those people. He just, like, willed them away. So they technically,

he didn't kill any dogs. In fact, he made it possible to bring half those dogs back, which they were, they were. Everything's fine. No problems at all.

But yeah, like, honestly, that was off-putting. That's how this, and my, I wouldn't say as an issue with the show, but there was,

like, at some point with enough of the bottom, I'm like, this is a little off-putting. And with the dog death to start, it just left a bad taste in my mouth. AJ, so you watched it with Lady Fox. I did not watch it with AJ. I said, buddy, you cannot come in here. But at one point, because he's AJ, he just is walking by the room.

He hears like the guns and the screams and he goes, well, now I know why I can't watch that. And I was, yeah, he's got your sense of humor. I like that. Yeah, exactly. And however, no matter what you want to say about the, I imagine a lot of people are going to probably be able. I don't know. What have you seen online in terms of the temperature?

Like, eh, like, all right, it is what it is. Yeah. And it's right. I don't think people were blown away.

People were pointing out some of the scenes where CGI looks like a PS2 video game, which that was very strange. This is that one scene where he jumps off and lands. Like, that took me out of it immediately. I was like, what the fuck happened? Is this an unfinished?

And also the audio was weird for me. Was the audio bad for you too? The audio was a little off. And that, that CGI, it looked like Joel. from an old last of us game. He literally did.

It was so weird. I don't understand that. Whatever. No matter what kind of grips you might have. When they fucking start with Danzig saying, screw up singing mother, I was like, oh,

we're coming in. It's punishing time. Has he ever used that? He's doing fucking pull-ups. Like, someone who bleeds. He drilled the pull-up bar into his ceiling. So every time he pull-ups,

he hits his head on the ceiling. What hell? That's right. He can't be doing that. But I don't think they have used Danzig before. I loved the Danzig used. Oh, shit, you get the light show behind you. Loved the intro, Danzig, mother.

And then later in the episode, when that fucking huge guy comes into the restaurant and they get into the fight, he stabbing him, they used a hate breed song, which is a super hardcore band. And just a band that I never in a million years would have expected had a song in a Marvel show. So I really appreciated the use of music in it. And as far as that scene goes that we were talking about, the bad CGI scene, he jumps off.

It's actually a cool scene before that where he jumps at fucking headshots the guys. He's diving back. He lands and it looks like PS2. It's strange. And then Marvel came out the next day because so many people thought it was bad that they were like, that was actually not that much CGI. We just replaced the face of the actor and remove some strings or whatever. And it's like, well, it still looks like shit.

So does that's supposed to make it better? Like it looks horrible. It took everyone out of the show when we saw it. It's not AI slot, but it looks like shit. Like it still looks like. shit's yeah right yeah it doesn't matter it was weird that they even came out to like come to the defense of that seeing it in my opinion like it looked i just between that and the audio i was thinking like did they accidentally upload the wrong file because i watched it almost right at 9 p.m it was like i know that's

happened for some shows before i know it's happened for trailers before but that was really strange even the scene speaking of squeamish when he exes out his marine tattoo with a knife i don't even like seeing that clem that off putting bob off. Yeah. And the GIF that everyone's tweeting too, where it looks like he's whacking off his comrades are like yelling at him. That, why did they pick the take where his arms going like this, dude? I didn't see that gift. It's so, I'll send you the gift. His arm is literally like this and he's like screaming and his guys are screaming. I actually like that too, like the ghost of his past coming in. That felt very comicky to me. It felt very Frank Castle to me. Him going

by the grave. Great acting. John Burnton was a great act. I love that guy and everything. But it was intense. Like the first half of the episode is just ghosts of his past where you know every conversation is with Curtis or with Karen Page, not real. And then the second half of the episode turns into John Wick. I think it's John Wick too when they literally put out the call to all the bounty hunters and give away his vocation.

It's like, all right, you killed a dog in the beginning. And then you just pulled that from John Wick too. It was a lot of Punisher John Wick. That's actually a great point. I didn't put the dog into that as well. Yeah. And like the ghost thing, it's like, all right, you're teaching me about these are the people. I still don't know who they are.

As someone that didn't watch the show. But it's like, all right, this is where he comes from. And I knew the whole stuff with his family was a part of why he becomes the Punisher. But again, you're putting this on the board and you're letting people know his history just to say, all right, Punisher is out there now. You can play with that toy in the toy box. That's fine. I almost think like if you're going to, like making a meme, I think the CGI, someone

like that that's that bad not good having something that's a great meme that's kind of great for the yeah it's a good point special presentation and it i've seen it everywhere it really is really yeah burnthal too when he's by the grave i just wrote he's so fucking good he's just so fucking good at what he does i'm gonna pull up the gift so i could show you live because ken jack actually was the first one to send it to me of course he just go over that stuff look at his arm the way it's shaken dude screaming. You know, I said the reflection my computer's kind of giving it away a little bit. If I turn the, if I turn the brightness down. Yeah.

It's crazy. Oh, my God. I do have some pros that I wrote down from the special, too. I thought the one take of him walking through the streets of Little Sicily where it's just war and fucking chaos behind him and shit's on fire and people are on mopeds and like, he's numb through it. He's just walking through it. I was like, that was fucking badass. And we see a Brunson jersey, too. there's a little kid running around in Derek Brunson jersey he was like all right they're doing

something for the new yorkers jalen Brunson bob jalen Brunson did i say Derek Derek Derek brunson's a UFC fighter okay okay i was like who that's fine i could live with that jaylin brunson on it with a tongue you know i'm the biggest bingbang guy you're a bong you're big bob that's why we love you so i need big bob to be uh to be locked in for the eastern finals uh that was on putting the brunson jersey i do you think that's putting on putting Not putting, yes. I hope that is a word. Do you think that the New York war zone that they were living in, essentially,

is how, like, people from flyover states think New York City really is. Oh, definitely, definitely. And also, every time we see New York as a war zone like that, like, how can your mind not go to? Well, where's Peter Parker? Where the hell is Spider-Man? I know, listen, Matt Murdoch, he's like, my jurisdiction is only Hell's Kitchen.

I don't fuck around with any of the other neighborhoods. Peter Parker, he's had the Thunder Bowl. issue, he's had this issue, he's had all the daredevil shit with Fisk. He's just, he's just, I don't know, simping for MJ, wishing that she would remember him. What's going on? Yeah, is he in Boston or whatever, like stalking her outside her dorm room? Maybe all he could say is despite his sense ain't tingling because he can't be like, he didn't watch the news.

Well, guess what? He has despite he sense. It should be tingling if a fucking burrow is under fire right now, basically. Yeah. And then we had a, like a decent villain too. Like, I kind of liked the lady in the wheelchair when she comes. up and gives the backstory at the Punisher, taking out her whole family. She's the one that lays the hit for like 647.

They'll all come towards you. And then there's that one shot where after the chaos is starting to unravel with the hitman coming through, he sees her. And my first thought was, put it in reverse hair. Put it reverse hair. I saw that video late in life. And man, I'm just happy I got apart. And it might be my favorite viral video.

truly might be my goat that and still the grape lady falling out and knocking the wind out of herself and she's like oh oh oh oh oh oh that makes me laugh every time i love that video uh i'd say i mean the leprechaun is almost like a chinkered that's so long leroy jenkins greg jennings madden uh there's just so many good ones just so many but that nothing i'll tell you nothing terrifies you more than just a mean old lady like especially in your city like i'm like oh, this bitch is fucking mean. She spits on them. My note was she meeked him.

She meeked him. I was thinking of the same thing. How did they use like just to prove how me and this in evil this lady is? She did what meek Phil did for $10,000. Absolutely. And then you do get a good resolve ending where he puts on the new suit, which looks fucking badass. I love seeing him.

Yeah. Fresh white skull. He's got the trench coat on. And then he goes and gets one back for that poor old man who got his hat stolen and his dog killed. I love when he's like, hey, he didn't just take my hat. He's like, oh, he killed the fucking dog. Boom, you're done.

I like that. Listen, if you're going to kill a dog, you better. And I mean, you better. Show me the guy who killed the dog getting killed. And it has to, it can't just be a quick death. Like, it was like a, you know, freeze. I got you. Now you're fucking, you've been punished.

You have been punished. Great shot, too, when they're shooting it from that guy's POV. So you're looking up at the punisher. Yeah. It was great. The apartment battle, it felt like a video game at some point where it feels like you're just like just hitting a punch. You're just button mashing, just trying to get the punches out and the guns and the knives, all that kind of stuff. And Bob, this you do not know yet.

I just would like you to know, however, that in the diner, the like chef or the guy who owns the diner who has the daughter, that right there, Bob, is bubbles. He's from the wire. You are going to love bubbles. You're going to be cheering for him. You're going to love bubbles with all your heart. And that's all I could think of every time he was on screen. And I think I like that too when the daughter gives him the flower and he goes and puts it on his wife's grave. Like I thought that was really well done too.

That was like fucked up. I didn't like when they were in the diner and the little kids around. I'm like, come on. Like you're going to kill the dog. What are we doing here? Get out of here. Yeah. It's fucked up, dude.

And for the OG YouTube people that are listening to this, I thought it felt like a video game. Yes. It also felt like a Freddie W video. This guy, Freddie W. transition to a channel called Rocket Jump, they would make action videos like weekly. And then they would every week show the behind the scenes of it. And it really like,

it kind of like inspired me to try to make YouTube videos and stuff like that. I used to make videos with Nerf guns in the backyard with my friend because they would show you how to add a muzzle flash. And they would show you how to add the blood dropping off somebody. And like they would really try to like push the filmmaking aspect of it. And I just couldn't get that out of my head. I don't know how many of our listeners used to, to watch this guy's videos. They used to go viral like every week. But man, if you know, I feel like

you know. And that was very corridor digital, Freddie W rocket jump-esque in a good way. Like some of the CGI again didn't hold up completely. I didn't really need it to for a lot of it. Like there's certain things where it feels like we're reloading. It like speeds up real fast. It's like, eh, it is what it is. I've seen that happen in the equalizer. I don't know if they're frame cutting or just speeding it up. But overall, I would say I'm at like a foregoing, ball scale for it. I thought it was like a three balls for me. I was like two balls.

Like the, like they were just like, they were all henchmen essentially. He was just facing nothing but henchmen. Even like the duty stabs with the pen, I guess was kind of like a bigger boss. Just the boss, boss battle in the video game. Yeah, exactly. But it was like the mini boss like halfway through the carcuit level. It wasn't even the guy at the end. And also the lady being like, and you know my other son never touched those kids.

How the fuck do I know that lady? didn't give any of that fucking. You deserve to die. Definitely touching those kids. Definitely touching those kids. All those fucking deserve to die. I don't cry. When you're part of a fucking crime family,

you can't be crying foul when they kill them. It's fucking part of crime family living. That's what it's based on. I wish my girl Sophia could come into that fucking city and just run those motherfuckers out of there. Yeah. Sophia Chaconne. We just need the Penguin season two to just be her.

Like just make season two the Sophia show. Yes. The Sophia. The Sophia. Also, you brought up Leroy Jenkins. This is completely off topic, but it really made me laugh. I went to my sisters this week. And my sister says to me, do you know who Leroy Jenkins is?

I was like, do I. Roy Jenkins. She's like, I can't believe this. My sister and her husband were talking about it. He brought up Leroy Jenkins somehow. She was like, what are you talking about? And he was like, you don't know, Leroy Jenkins? And he like explained her the whole bad.

backstory and then showed her that video. And then they were having a conversation like the day later. And she brought up Elizabeth Holmes from Theranos or whatever. And Aaron Theranos, I think it is. And he didn't know who she was. And then they got into the debate of who's more famous, Leroy Jenkins or Elizabeth Holmes. And it really made me, because we were debating it.

And then she texted all of our cousins, the girl cousins. They have like a group chat. And they were like, we have no idea who Leroy Jenkins is. And she was like, all, ask your husbands. and they all 100% of them knew and none of them knew who Elizabeth Holmes was. We were like, what a great debate. So if you're out there listening, I want you guys to run this experiment too. Ask your wife, ask your significant other.

Do you know who Leroy Jenkins is? And if you're a lady listener in the basement, ask your significant other. Do you know who Elizabeth Holmes is? And we'll see who's more famous Elizabeth Holmes or Leroy Jenkins. I mean, whoever Elizabeth Holmes is was blogged in our site like 30 times. and I just did not care one bit. I didn't read anything. I remember it being Theranos

because I was like, that looks like Thanos. Yeah, exactly the same thought I had. And that's all I know about her. I couldn't care less. Yeah, Leroy Jenkins is one of my favorite

internet moments in the history. I actually can't wait to show AJ that video now. I think he will just piss his pants hearing all that. Oh yeah, I asked me Fox. She had no idea who Leroy Jenkins was and I tried,

I started to like explain it and I was like, I'm quickly realizing you don't really care who Leroy Jenkins is and why should you? And the question is, I don't know if it'll hit with her the way it hit with us 20, which I think it just turned 20. Is that that probably is what got to the conversation started, right?

Yeah. So I don't know. That's a good debate, though. It reminds me of when the debate was running around the Barstall office, who's more famous John Travolta or Squidward? And I loved that debate. It's too perfect. I mean, the way the John Travolta memes are looking right now,

did you see what he was dressed as? He looks like he's in like the backstreet boys. Like, what the hell is he trying to do? He's got a level of Botox. I've never seen. He's got the beard shaped up. He's got the backwards hat, like the fucking, like Ed Harris and the Truman show, like we were talking about yesterday.

What a weird look for John Travolta at Cannes. And it's, by the way, it's Can Week. So be on the lookout for like 45 minutes standing ovation. Standing Ovation watch? Oh, man. I already saw someone say, like, there was a five and a half minute standing ovation, and they were like, this is the equivalent of getting food out the building at Cannes. All right.

Let's get into the boys. Again, the penultimate episode, and this is tough, Clem, because we've been breaking down the boys every week. This is episode seven, so for the past seven weeks. And I feel like every week we're like, it was a good episode, but we're kind of expecting them to start ramping it up towards the finale. Like we want this to reach a powder cake. We want it to feel like a powder keg. We're every week, I'm satisfied with this singular episode, but not the overall picture. And no episode hammered that home for me more than this one.

where it's like this was the penultimate. I didn't hate anything I saw necessarily. Well, there's one of the same. There's one of the world hated. Right. The dog cat scene, them sniffing each of, like that was fucking horrible.

And I hated that that was towards the climax of the entire series. We're wasting time on that. But that's the whole, I was like, all right, yeah, it was a standard episode of the boys. And then you realize that season five episode seven,

you go, well, I didn't really want a standard episode of the boys this week. I wanted like, oh my God, here we go. Finale next week. I don't feel those emotions at all. What if I told you that the reason why the pacing has been so comically off of this season

is because, Bob, there's not a secret episode coming. There is a secret season that will be released. They need a full fucking secret season, I think. I honestly think they do. dude it's it's crazy i saw hubs has been tweeting about it and i'm completely with them hubs tweeted the poster that they put out maybe yesterday where it's floating above the white house butcher walking over the stout wall or whatever it is and then behind homelander it's all these soups and they're just shadowy figure so we can't see any of them but it seems to imply that like he's got a

homelander's got an army full of evil soups and butcher's going in a one-man gang and he's gonna fucking take him down. The show hasn't lined up with that poster at all. And the creator's been coming out saying, oh, yeah. By the way, next week, it's only an hour and five minutes. We don't want to do that supersized 90 minute finale stuff. Like that would bore people. What, dude? Like, I think we all want a 90 minute. It's season five of the show. We've dedicated dozens of hours of our lives to this show. And you're saying we would get bored if you did too many like cool things in the final season. I don't want 90, minutes if there's going to be, you know, a bunch of like D-level soups sniffing each other's

asses. You got me on that one. Hand-up. You win. I need shit. The biggest problem with the boys is the posters are a thousand times cooler than what's going on on the show. The one of the before this season with Homeland are looking up above the earth and there's like

the nuclear bomb fallout going on. You're like, holy shit. And I remember saying it to be like, dude, this is going to rule, right? Yeah. And then we watched this whole season. Like that hasn't ruled. And again, there's been like things I've liked or a certain character here and there. I think the deep is just still doing deep stuff.

Oh, the deep is great. But then I get the poster right before the finale. I'm like, this is where you should be right now is where this poster is in the picture. But you are nowhere near that. You're nowhere near that. It's good. Even so like the episode begins, I loved the old father like musical intro because DeVee Diggs is from Hamilton. so it just gave me like the vibes of like him do his Hamilton stuff.

But then we go right to Homelander in the Oval Office. And we had like got inklings of like he's maybe Homeland President Homeland or whatever. I thought it was so lame how it was just like, oh, you could use my office by the way. He's just like he's using the Oval Office. Then he kills the president. He squeezes his fucking head or whatever. Like it was kind of funny when he's like, I want a nut milk like worst thing ever was one of we convinced. But like, I don't know.

I just thought there would be more of a like he takes. I thought that would be a big. deal him taking over not like one day he's deciding that he wants to use the Oval Office like that again just like that should have been ramped up to and it was just the beginning it was like the cold open almost of this episode yeah so when Homeland is behind the desk he should be like oh shit he's behind the desk feet up on the desk like I am the guy in charge right here yeah you're basically my bitch but it's also the president and now like the president's dead just was murdered in the Oval Office and I'm shouldn't that be a big deal too?

Weird. Yes. Like shouldn't we have spent the episode covering like the president has been assassinated by or like the president's missing or like. The president had exploded. He didn't get mentioned again. No, it didn't. And they have Homelander.

Again, I'm like, I feel like I'm watching like a fake season now. And then they're going to have the real season after this finale. And you're like, oh, that's why those posters made sense. Because this is at this point, if Homelander finally kills the president and puts his plain emotion and has all the soups, that would make sense. Also, Bob, the entire fucking season, which, again, was driving me nuts, was like the stupid shit with V1. I was like, we had the fucking virus. And then we just, the virus just doesn't matter anymore after all those times.

Going back to what, Gen V, they had the virus, right? They were talking about it. Then it's about the V1, which I was like, I really don't like just pivot, especially on the fly in the final season, whatever, though, if it pays off. Holminder gets the V1. And it feels like, oh, fuck, it finally happened. The fact that happened, I was like, no, I'm surprised they pulled it early, but whatever, they did. And they're like, well, he's in the middle of the field, has the V1 and all of our heroes are around him. And then he's got.

And that's almost not mentioned here either. Like they do a little bit with Soldier Boy and Homelander, but like that was like a huge, huge deal at the end of last week's episode. That felt like it almost could have been the cliffhanger of a penultimate episode. And then this just felt like any other episode of the boys. This could have been season four. and like, it was so strange. I mean,

you mentioned Gen V. We've been asking the entire season, where's Marie Monroe? We said she could face off with Homelanders. She got that whole other level power. They bring her in with Jordan Lee. And like,

I had the same reaction they had in that scene. And they're like, wait, that's it. Like, we've just spent the last couple years, like in dumpsters and tracking down,

O'Father and doing all that. And that's all you need from us and Starlight just dismisses them. Obviously, they get brought back at the very end. But, too little too late. Like it's completely too.

We again, not like we really dedicated our lives. We watched two seasons worth of Gen V of you building to this. And then you end season two with like, we're going to kill a homelander. Let's go. And they were in this episode for I think two minutes, 19 seconds or something.

Someone posted the total screen time they had. Like what the fuck, dude? What are these decisions? I wish they honestly had just kept it a separate show where you just focus on even the more ecology, even if you're doing some of the hijinks with the sex stuff and the, you know, like off-the-wall humor like that, instead of like trying to loop it into the boys, even if you loop it into the boys, but you do it the right way where they're playing a minor role,

but you made it seem like they were this super important thing, which hypothetically if one of our favorite characters was bleeding out to end the episode, Marie Morrow would be the one person in the world. They could have saved the motherfucker, right? Hypothetically speak. It's a great point. It's a great point. This guy's spitting. The guy's fucking spitting.

And they even say, like, your powers were greatly exactly. exaggerate and I'm like, well then what the fuck was that whole last season of Jenry about? And it's also like when this was filmed and written and shot and everything, Gen V was planning a third season, right? Like, I don't think they knew Gen V was getting canceled. So you just like shit on those characters

in the final season to hypothetically, like just lift them off and throw them back into another season. Just like, again, did the creator of the boys not like Gen V? Was he like, I have to include these characters? I guess I'll just throw them in for a second. Like, I'm completely with you. They shouldn't have made Marie this homelander level soup if you were,

if you were planning on doing this. Like it should have just been a more college-centric show where you do the fun stuff and you could have threats. And the V1 could have been like the big tie-in where you show us how the V1 was made. Give us a little more about that. I've also seen people mentioning Huey, I forgot this. Huey has the temp V still. And they haven't mentioned that all season.

Did they forget that last season? Huey still has a violent intent V? I said the same thing to my wife. I go, this happened, right? And she's like, oh, yeah,

that's right. Someone, I've seen a lot of people say, it felt like we were going towards butcher becoming the big bad because he was so blindly about killing Homeland or didn't care what happened to get there.

And then they pivoted off that for some reason, which whatever, he doesn't have to be that way. But then it's just like, we just have Homelanders being crazier and becoming like, I mean, he's just as Batchett crazy as the day we met. him and I just don't know what and like Huey he we being like the voice of reason and being

somebody who's just there and just be like give a music take or something like that and then they just move on like it's it's just I don't know man again I've said a couple of times like season one and two man I just feel like we're just a different show than what we've had these days and I again I don't even know how much of it is because they're trying to emulate some of the stuff that's going on on the real world with the political stuff and whatever. But when you, like, this show is going to be here 10, 20 years from now. And I'm not saying the world's going to be this better place or different place. But like, it's going to kind of just look back and be stale all the little satire they're making on shit.

To be honest, doesn't need satire to be ridiculous. It's just like, this was a good show. And I think they just lost their way with it. That being said, that being said, I fucked with that spice girl analogy a whole lot. That is good. I like the box spice analogy. I also kind of like the dynamic in this episode of Annie and Pewy being very pessimistic and Mother's Milk and Butcher being the hopeful ones that are like, this isn't over yet. I thought that flip dynamic was like that worked.

All of the deep stuff in this, I thought worked. When the deep goes in and like apologizes to Homelander and he disbands the seven and he's so desperate. And then we have Zander, the Samuel L. Jackson shark talking to him saying, I know you're responsible from pipeline. And like, that was all good, too. It was just, there wasn't enough good stuff. Like, even the test screening stuff we're doing in this, where Maltz got someone playing Starlight, and then we bring the people in for the test screening.

It just felt like this could have happened mid-season, season three. Like, I wanted the ending of the boys to be homelander as, like, threatening to take over the world. And this is, nukes are being dropped. And, again, what the posters are promising us, like chaos, apocalypse. It's almost like the Stranger Things stuff where they set up Hawkins is going to be in apocalypse And then they're

Never mind. I think the CGI It would be real expensive if we did that. So everything's back to normal. And I thought it was more excusable and strange of things Because it was like once we got in the groove of things It was like, okay, it is what it is. But yes, there's so many strange things. And Huey giving the music takes.

Like I love that stuff. But not right now. Give us his fucking top 10 Billy Joel songs a couple weeks ago. Right now, this is the crunch time. the end game now and it doesn't feel like it. I liked the method he used for that a lot. You said, probably not this episode,

probably episode five. It's almost like though he was trying to, or this is episode set. I guess episode five would have it work. It's almost like trying to not have anything about the marshmallow man or anything at all. He's just giving him songs. By the way, Bob, I got it here. Top 10 Billy Joel. What do you got? I don't know if I could list 10 off the top of my head. I do.

I agree with Huey. Scenes from an Italian restaurant has to be no. Cosine. It's like, cosine. When he says it's three songs and one, absolutely correct. It's frigging, you know, Green Day, Jesus of Suburbia, Beatles, Day in a Life. There's so many of these songs where Bohemian Rhapsody, scenes from an Italian version, it feels like multiple songs in one.

I fucking love that. I don't want to go too cliche. Like, moving out might be number two anthony song. Anytime you choose a Billy Joel song, it's going to feel cliche, right? Yeah. Like, it's like, how is piano, man? piano man it's fucking piano man like you can say you know what i mean like piano man has to be there vienna has to be up there for me especially when you hear and i know rico bosco loves uh like q and a

billy jolt did where he talks about vienna taking care of the elderly and like when you know the backstory behind it it makes it even better and then there's so many good like we didn't start the fires another good one when i saw billy jolt live for the first time and he comes out for the encore with the fucking strat and I realized Billy Joel ain't sitting behind the piano for this one. He's playing the guitar. Like that was a mo, I could put chills on my arms where I was like, Billy Joel still fucking got it.

And he's doing, we didn't start to fire. And then all the parodies that have happened with me to start the fire to adds to it. There's so many good ones though. There's so many, so many good Billy Joel songs that you could, I mean, if you gave me enough time,

I could maybe write a top 50. But yeah, that's the thing. Like 80s, if we're just talking 80s, like it hits so many different ways. What do you want? What kind are you dealing with something like,

That is like a piece of art that, you know, tells a story in the, we didn't start the fire. Obviously, like moving out and Vienna, by the way, Sienna, whenever she would misbehave, we'd say that was Vienna, her like alter ego. And then her friend is Olivia. We called her Bolivia, so Bolivia and Vienna. And then Vienna, essentially, it says like, Vienna will be waiting for, like, don't let it wait for you. And we said, Sienna, we're always waiting for you. So it's like, that is a personal thing.

But man, I could, I could just talk. Next podcast, if we ever a podcast where there's nothing going on, we're ranking our top 10 Billy Joel and you know the special guest is going to be. Bosco? Balls. I think we've got to have balls. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the Billy Joel guy.

I know Bosco's a Billy Joel guy, but Balls is the Billy Joel guy. That HBO doc was one of my favorites. That was top notch. Yeah. And even like go back to the documentary they did, even before the HBO won't just the Soviet Russia stuff. Yeah. Crazy, crazy stories and crazy footage, like him fucking freaking out on stage through and shit.

The Camico stuff in this one Frenchie, like, it was good. I think I would have felt more emotionally connected to it if Camico wasn't making fucking porn references all season. Do you agree with that? Like, I do think something was stripped from her character when she started talking. I know that was kind of like, like, we wanted her to talk, but like, I didn't like the execution of it. they made it such a one character one way and then brought all the way to the other the slapstick side

and then we're going we have to go into the middle with the emotional part and it just it it was you're going you're yinging so much back and forth boomeranging I just yeah it didn't hit and again I love my boy Frenchie by the end I'm just like whatever this is what it is oh dude I know and he had it like a good we'll get to that a second I mean honestly out of all the boys I'd say Frenchie was probably I say Mother Milk's my least favorite of them. I'd say Frenchie is three. Yeah, I'm probably with you. I like Mother's Milk, but I'm probably with you there.

Huey's one, or at least he was one easy. When the boys were all cooking, because at this point, they're all just fucking, like, different characters than when they were. Huey, I think, is the guy you identified with and you stuck with in the beginning. So he was one. I mean, as much as he's an asshole,

butcher is the one that makes you laugh. You have to have butcher. Easy. And then it's between the other two. And I just think Mother's milk's important, but I think Frenchy is the real heart of it. And he did have, especially earlier on, I really like some of his stuff. He's funnier too. Yes, exactly.

Then we get the cat girl and dog guy scene, which just it, I think it went on for like two minutes or something. It felt like two hours, especially when, again, we're in the end game. And we're sniffing each other. Like, you already kind of used this weirdness. with the influencers too. Like I felt like the influencers early in the season was like, all right, two joke superheroes that are a little foil for our guys, and then we can get back to the real stuff.

Why are we doing that now? Is it just because they needed someone or they needed a couple soups to be a part of the scene where they like give them the real VIP experience and they go in and they start like killing the people in the test screening that didn't truly believe? I don't know, but just like, man, it puts such a bad taste in my mouth. By the time synapse comes and brings back Jeffrey Dean Morgan and you're doing the butcher back story, I didn't even care, dude. It was like, it was so strange.

And even like when they give, they give Huey the backstory and then we turn it on synapse and butcher kills him, I think you wanted that to be like, oh, we're out now. Like, here we fucking go. Like, you're not going to take us down. We had Mother's Milk and Starlight helping some of the people escape. They bring them to the Gen V people. people and then we've got this we're ramped up they didn't have any of that by by the end of this yeah you know it's almost like if like your baseball team goes down like 10 nothing early and when they had like a two run home run that should be awesome you're just like whatever we're so far behind like

yeah it took almost an hour to get the sports analogy for this week but that was it I got there I got us there and I landed it most importantly um even though like I like the way that they had were hughie's like fucking with him by thinking of all those fucked up things with the brother and like that was a cool way to go about it but again it's like it was like a i like eating a snack you get a little spike of sugar and then it right back down like it didn't do anything i thought hitting the vape was funny when we got to hit the vape so they can't read our mind like that was funny to me and then i did think what like i didn't feel the emotion that i should have felt when french he died because of the lead up but i thought his death was very well executed

in his final fuck you to homelander the line i bet you've never danced today in your life. I was like, that's fucking cooking. That was a good line right there. I wish the rest of the show had writing as good as that line. And then when he dies in Camico's arms too, and he says like, no, man of me, you saved me. Cheezy, yes. Fitting with their relationship and everything. Yeah, I thought that worked too. Yeah. If it was in like a good episode or season, I think that's the perfect way to put it up. When he says the dance line, it reminds me of when Robin Williams, no, Robin Williams, when he's like, you know, you could, like, you've, you've, you've never been to, like, the museum and seen Michaelangelo's work on the Sistine

Chapel, you know, like, you've read a thousand books on it, could tell me everything about it, but you've never, like, smelted in there. And that's like, I was like, how is, that's good of Roastusus, his homelander's basically had, um, played on him right there. Also, Starlight, so when the fight was going on with the audience to try to get them to stop killing the audience members, I'm like, what's a, Starlight in the seven, which is like the strongest superheroes. And she's facing a fucking like loser, weirdo superhero.

Like, just stuff like that, that we're just watching them sniff each other's asses. I'm like, what's going on with this show right now? So I just thought they, I think they lost the plot at some point around the Pride season four, I'd say, is when they started just losing it. And it's, it's gone now, unfortunately. We also had, we just used to have better villains, too, aside from like, Homeland or like, Stan Edgar, Victoria Newman, like the show losing them,

I didn't realize how much a big impact that would have. I also just... They didn't back fell. Yeah, I pulled at the IMDB for this season. It started off pretty strong, like season five episode one, 8.9. Good rating. 2, 8.5, 3, 8.3, 4, 7.5.

You see the direction it's going. The episode that we really liked, I think was the one shot's up. episode, 7.6. So that one's a little bit higher. Last week, 8.5. You get a little bit of the oil spill stuff. I think that leads it up. And then this one, the lowest of the season with a 6.6. I think the reason behind that is in the other ones, they might be artificially high because people said, we still have time. All right. We still have a chance for comeback here. I think this is when the bottom falls out. And I bet people will go back. Those numbers will drop. Because

I think this happened with Thrones the final season. The numbers were high and then after everyone saw what the finished product was or where it was going, they're like oh fuck, this has been a train wreck like a lot of, like some people were saying Austin's Tuss, Gameless Dules that everyone was downloading our podcast. We were telling

you guys it was garbage from day one. I think that's what's going to happen. Listen, I've seen it a bunch and I don't know if you've seen the meme. They're talking, they're putting this with Game of Thrones and with Stranger things. And listen, I was cool with the final like that final third of the Stranger Things finale. Yeah.

We did not like the part two of Stranger Things of the final season. We were very much on the record with that. Game of Thrones, the final season was bad. You don't want to be lumped in with those two franchises because they're known as kind of ones that fumbled the final season. Even if you didn't hate the Stranger Things final season, you have to admit it kind of did lose its way or Game of Thrones just completely lost its way. And I just went back through the previous seasons.

This is officially the love. lowest rated episode in the history of the boys. No episode in the history of the voice has been below a 7.0. And this one is a 6.6, which is re-end it. Tell you what, it's a little heartbreaking to look back at the early seasons and see 9.1, 9.4, 9.6, 9.1, 9.0. And, you know, this season is just 8.9 is the best we got. I hate to admit it, but, like, after the first episode,

when his poor girlfriend gets, like, vaporized in his face and all bloody. I was like, holy shit, this is a side of, like I never even thought a show like this was possible to show that side of superheroes.

And I was so cool and they had all the Billy Joel stuff, which again, I'm a big Joel fan. And I was so, it brought me so much joy that first season or two and just kind of where we are now

where it's like, it's kind of like being a Mets fan in 2026 and I'm just like, kind of just like sad every night. I'm still tune in. And then by the end, I'm like, man,

I didn't go as I hoped. I don't know why I thought it was any different. But, And again, like there are moments. Again, I know some people didn't like it. I like this is a celebrity thing. Again, maybe that celebrity thing, maybe season three where you have like a bunch of celebrities getting killed.

And it's like ha-ha instead of like four episodes before the season's over, the series is over. So it definitely has its flaws. Another thing here, like let's just throw this out there. Ryan, Homelander's son thought it was like going to be the most important character of the season. He's been on screen for what, like three minutes this season? And I'm sure he'll be back. the finale but again i feel it's too little too late where the finale we're going to get everyone teaming up to kill homelander i'm sure kamiko's going to be there ryan's going to be there maybe

they throw marie monroe in there it just doesn't feel earned and how like we're five seasons in how have you built at the point where it doesn't feel earned at this point like everyone should have something to fucking be against homelander for and it's just it feels like you you didn't whole ass anyone you half-assed everyone i need you to call her marie monroe monroe for now that is it's just so fun it's it's your emperor for me Marie Monroe. Is that not her name? It's Marie Moreau.

Marie Moreau. But I like it more as Monroe. So I think I might have to leave. Marie Monroe. You know what? Honestly, she doesn't get her real name because the writers don't care about her. Why should she?

Who an actress too. I saw she put out a whole thing when Gen V got canceled of like, this is how much I love playing Marie Monroe and this, that the next thing. And like, I could tell she was so passionate about the character that. It's like, damn, it's a shame. They fumbled her whole arc. there. And I also wonder, because we're not comic guys when it comes to the boys, how much of this

is following the comics closely, how much of it is going along that. I know people don't really like the comics. I've mentioned that before. Even Jose thinks it's like the worst thing to ever happen to comics. And I think a lot of people that say the show has done a much better job than the comics did with the story. But it's just strange. It's a it's a deflating, underwhelming ending to the boys. And I hope they make up for it next week. week and I still have, you know, a little hope that they will end it on a cool note where we're like, all right, the season wasn't good, but they fucking nailed the ending. Who knows? Who, like, who knows, man?

I'm trying not to be negative. I'm trying not to be negative, just been negative for like the last half hour. Like, I'm trying to feel like the good side of it. Like, I do think there were. So, again, I love this place girl analogy, the Billy Joel thing. Again, maybe not this last pun ultimate episode that stuff is in, but whatever, the way that they beat the villain. and with synapse was cool. Seeing Butcher's old buddy come back.

All very fun stuff. Like, I'm just trying to look at the positives here. Oh, I also didn't like what they've, I love soldier boy. I love the actor. I think he's very interesting character. He's just doing this. He's a two triponi now.

It's like I fucking sold celebrity from the 50s. And he's like fucking over Homelander or doing something nice for him. I don't really. And he's back in the back to tank again. They put him back in the bathtub tank. I saw a report today that he will not appear in the final episode, that that was the ending of his character. I hope that is a phony baloney report that doesn't have any credence.

Because if that's true, like, bro, the whole season was Soldier Boy Homelander, soldier boy Homelander, like, Soldier Boy's turning on him. Now he's not. Now he's back with him. If that is really the end of his arc that he fucking got rear naked choked until he was asleep and he put him in the cry of think and that's it, that would be blasphemy. like oh my god what the hell and what's the name of the show that they have vaught um rising rising

yeah and they said they may address vaught rising and that's part of the reason i'll tell you this right now amazon i'll tell you bezos if you guys fuck this up even more than it's already been fucked up honestly it doesn't matter unless you give us the greatest finale in the history of television no one's watching vaughn't i'm not going on i'm putting the foot down now listeners We are not reviewing Vought Rising unless it, like, comes out with, like, absolute heater episodes. And we're like, all right, we'll do like a season one recap. And then season two will be in because like that's, that's just fucking negligence. That character was great.

Well, you had like great potential, you know, he had moments. And it's just like, I don't know, man. Again, shout up the deep. He's basically the one thing that's kept in this whole time, which again, they could have killed him three seasons ago. I would have been like, yep, that was probably about time. Yeah. That actor is awesome. The A-Train actor crushed in his whole arc.

The way his arc came around was like, man, that was such a good way to start this season. We're in a great place right now. And that was the peak of the season, I think. I think there was literally like that ending of episode one. We never reached that height again. Yeah, no, I'd say that's fair. I will also say like the Jesus stuff was so preposterous. It was funny.

The fact that was funny, the test screening when they showed like VFX unfinished in the corner and stuff like that made me laugh. They have girls just shaking their ass around. old brother as he's like doing all this stuff like it's so anti-hloid, you know, typical religion would be. But it's like a religion about American superhero is fucking ridiculous. So yeah, man, I don't know who won the week. I don't even know who won the week here between Punisher and the boys. Punisher, I guess. I guess.

Is that like, what would that be? Like the Punisher got walked and the boys struck out. Marshall got hit by a pitch and the boys struck out. Yeah. Or like the boys didn't make weight. So it was like a DQ or something like that. Yeah. Yeah.

Like that, yeah, that's good. Yeah. I watched, I was showing AJ. I was trying to get him in the wrestling even more. I showed him some Undertaker early day stuff when he really was like, and he's like my age when the Intertake came out. So I'm like, he was pretty like, he wasn't scared, but he was like, whoa, this guy. Yeah.

And I forgot. I'm like, how did they ever eliminate the Undertaker in the Survivor series? He gets counted out. And that's basically. to what happened to the boys. They get counted out. They get counted out. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, we were waiting for him to come back. One, two, three, nine, ten, ding, ding, ding, ding. And it's like, all right. Maybe at the next paperview, we'll get a good match. All right. That was all I had for this week. Next week's a big one for us, Clem. A huge one.

This is episode 499.75. Next week, we've got episode 499.9.9 and episode 500. So stay tuned. Thank you, everyone, for your patience of getting this episode out. I've been kind of in and out of a headache fog all day. So Clem was gracious enough to have me keep pushing the recording time back. And we got it out. We'll get this out Friday night for the people.

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