My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 5 - 'AVENGERS: ENDGAME' PREGAME SHOW

Episode Date: April 22, 2019

Robbie is joined by his pal Clem once again to bid farewell to the Marvel Cinematic Universe's 'Infinity Saga', being this Thursday marks the conclusion of it when 'Avengers: Endgame' hits theaters! T...he guys look back at each and every movie in the MCU, reveal their top five favorites, talk predictions/choose sides for Endgame, and read off some of their favorite fan theories to get the blood pumpin' before the big day!!! The 'Avengers: Infinity War' Podcast mentioned in this show can be found here - https://www.barstoolsports.com/boston/barstool-sounds-debut-a-barstool-sports-infinity-war-podcastYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mymomsbasement

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey My Mom's Basement listeners, you can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Do sort of a pre-show to the Avengers Endgame showing. This will go out on Monday. Avengers coming out this Thursday, April 25th. Clem, I was supposed to be seeing Avengers tomorrow, on Tuesday. I will no longer be seeing it tomorrow. I'm so upset but excited at the same time because I get to play a rock and roll show with my buddies at ECU, North Carolina. We were just informed last week. We were informed last week, hey, ECU won this Barstool Best Bar Contest. Pup Punk, you want to do a show there in one week? The answer to that question is always yes. We love the rock and roll lifestyle. We're flying out for one day doing a show with Carter Cruz. Never thought my name would be on the same bill as Carter Cruz, but here we are.
Starting point is 00:00:47 So I will be seeing it with everyone else on Thursday. I'm so excited for this movie. Now, be honest, Bob. This is your podcast. You can say whatever you want. Yep. Was there a vote? And it was three to one, yes to no, we're going to go to ECU.
Starting point is 00:00:59 The one no was the guy who had the tickets to see it on Tuesday night? No, and it was Tuesday morning even. 10 a.m. on Tuesday, right, with the lights camera guys. So we were told – we were given dates. And, of course, with Roan, with Frankie, and with PFT, those three are way more busy than I am at all times I would say. Not necessarily that they have more things to do, but they have more things to do that requires them like being in a specific place. Usually I'm here doing everything that I do. So I was like, listen, whenever we could all get together, whenever we could put this show together, I'm down.
Starting point is 00:01:32 I love doing pop punk. It's my favorite thing we do at Barstool. It's like the coolest thing in the world. Get to basically play rock star. So they say, all right, we're going to do it on Tuesday. I was like, perfect. And the next day, it took me until the next day. I was on my Uber to work, and I was like, oh, man, I took me till the next day i was on my uber to work and i was like oh man i guess i'm not gonna see the avengers anymore but it's such a first world
Starting point is 00:01:50 problem to have like i can't see the avengers early yeah the only thing it's like first first world because you're seeing it before the rest of the first world seeing it and the only thing for me was i don't want to get i don't want the movie to get spoiled obviously that's the thing on everybody's mind i've stopped clicking on notifications on twitter and i've stopped clicking on dms from twitter so if you've sent me something i'm sorry i'm not seeing it there's just no i'm not consuming anything from social media outside of the people i follow until i see the movie just to be safe because spoilers are out there so be careful i also muted clem i'll pull up this list for you so you could react to it live on the podcast.
Starting point is 00:02:26 This is the list of words that I have muted on Twitter. Words and hashtags, misspellings. There's pretty much no way. Extra spaces, not as many spaces. Correct. You look like you're the marketing guy for Marvel where you've listed out every guy ever born in the Marvel universe. Every word that could possibly set an Endgame has been muted on Twitter for me. That's how seriously
Starting point is 00:02:47 I'm taking this. I tweeted before The Last Jedi. I said, if you purposely spoil The Last Jedi for somebody, I want you to die an excruciating death. I will root for you to die. Same goes for Endgame. It's just a black-hearted, cold-hearted move. And you're a if you reach the point where you do that for
Starting point is 00:03:04 someone, you're already dead inside, so we're just taking you off of the earth and using thanos would approve of this plan too he'd say you know this is i hope the snap got rid of all the spoiler people of the world as well as a bunch of you know people who might have not deserved it as much i mean i'm also i'm going to this project podcast as a very vocal pro thanos person yeah and it's tough because i'm a very anti i know i know i hate that motherfucker jeff is always like fucking he's like fuck thanos person yeah and it's tough because it's a very anti i know i know i hate that motherfucker jeff is always like fucking he's like fuck thanos i just heard the other day i'm like jeff jeff plays both sides though jeff jeff plays both sides because he's like fuck thanos and then i look over he's wearing like a shirt with thanos on it he's got the infinity gauntlet
Starting point is 00:03:37 on his desk he loves he's got thanos's computer background i'm like motherfucker pick a side can't play both sides 27 you can't say 27 rings and then chirp at the guys who say 27 rings. It's one or the other. And this is the thing. This is why also when you say I can't see it on Tuesday and I bite my lip, I can't see it until Friday morning because the NFL draft is on Thursday night. And I still – it just boggles my mind that Marvel has done this two years in a row as they throw the nfl draft the same night as the biggest avengers movie the biggest marvel movie maybe the biggest movie event of the year in terms of just events definitely i would say and i can't like last year whatever this year i had the giants have two picks we could trade for a quarterback we could draft a quarterback we
Starting point is 00:04:18 could just i have to be at the blogging station the entire night it's gonna be craziness and then i have to also like mentions, direct messages, DMs. Like the job gets a thousand times harder. Just the job, let alone the enjoyment of Twitter. Our job gets harder because you don't have people who are like, hey, check this out or you just see what's going on. So I will be watching it Friday morning. And it's going to be – we're going to be on pins and needles. I guess send me your sheet.
Starting point is 00:04:42 I'm going to have to basically mute everything that's ever been created. I'll send you the exact same sheet, and we recommend doing the same. Mute every word on Twitter that you could imagine someone would use to spoil the movie for you. Because we all want to go into this blind. We want to go into it's the 22nd movie in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. This thing has been going on for 11 years. We don't want to make it this far to get spoiled. Bob even has the things where it's like an O is a zero. Everything's there. So if you can read it, it's going to be – so get your Mutes in.
Starting point is 00:05:10 Mine is a bit psychotic. Like Jeff was like, hey, can you send me the words you muted? I want to do the same. And I was like, yeah, sure, and I sent it to him and he was like, Jesus Christ, Robbie. Like I don't know if this was all necessary, especially being that you're not clicking. He's like, you're not clicking on your notifications as it is. That's the other thing. Yeah, it is. Like if you look at my Twitter notifications right now, I've had the 99 plus all weekend. It just keeps resetting. That's having sex.
Starting point is 00:05:30 That's masturbating with a condom on. It's like, Bob, you're not even inserting that in anything and you're still wearing the condom. Listen, I just want to be safe. It's like I remember being in school and you're doing a math test. You're so nervous about it. You're like, all right, let me add a two onto this. I'll put it in the calculator just to be safe. Make sure numbers didn't change on me there um the basic rules of mathematics did not
Starting point is 00:05:48 change and but this is the thing though and i i agree with it i'm muting it you know why because there's nothing in the next week that you're gonna miss with the word hulk in it you know like you're not gonna miss anything with thor in it it's like from now until then the only thing you should care about is the movie that's coming out and we've had trailers we've had teasers we've had all that other stuff which i don't really like the scenes when we started giving legit scenes i'm like all right we've gone too far with this even if they're not in the movie because they've they've kind of fucked us with this with the trailers and stuff like that so brothers in particular are very keen on misguiding you in trailers yeah we saw maybe the most iconic shot
Starting point is 00:06:25 from the infinity war trailer of all the avengers running towards the camera with i think war machines in the air steve rogers leading the pack the hulk is on the hulk is going that's just not in the movie which is very interesting like there's no point where the hulk is even in the movie except the very beginning so they like to mislead you i love that they mislead us because you know they're trying to protect us from ourselves basically there was part of me hoping that we were being misled in the episode 9 trailer and that ray had a double-bladed saber in that scene i was like i was like holding that hope like maybe it's double-bladed come on like give me that double-bladed saber but we're
Starting point is 00:06:58 here to talk about endgame we're here to talk about the marvel cinematic universe and to start we want to just take you back to the beginning. Iron Man. We're going to take you through pretty much every movie in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Not breaking down all of them. Don't worry. We're going to get you out of here in swift time. Yes. But we just want to run through and talk about how we got to this point.
Starting point is 00:07:16 So Iron Man. I remember when this movie came out in 2008. My brother was on his first tour with a band. So he's – in 2008, I'm 10 years old. Baby Robbie. I'm about to turn 10 years old. I'm 10 years old. Or I'm maybe Robbie. I'm about to turn 10 years old. I'm actually nine. I remember being in fourth grade and seeing the trailer for Iron Man being like, oh, my
Starting point is 00:07:32 God, that looks amazing. It was a Super Bowl trailer, if you remember correctly. Yes. And it was the scene where he explodes the tank and walks away from it. Iron Man wasn't the kind of Spider-Man or Batman in terms of the public didn't really know who he was. He looked clunky. I always thought Iron Man just looked clunky.
Starting point is 00:07:46 He was a hothead. He was like just a short dude. Like he had weird character traits. I remember I played as him in Tony Hawk's Underground for Xbox. And that's where my Iron Man love came from because I was like, he has a hoverboard. It's sweet. So we see that trailer. I was so excited for it.
Starting point is 00:08:03 My brother goes on tour with actually a pop punk band funny enough and i lost my like buddy to go to the movies with so i was having trouble like dragging my mom or my dad to the movies and i didn't see it in theaters and i was devastated but my brother called me from like la and he's like bro i just took the entire band to see iron man for the second time because it's unbelievable he's like this is this has the potential to be something huge and he was on it early so i remember watching it in a hotel room with my mom we were in oregon for the literally girls world series my dad was an umpire in it okay so we watched it i was gonna say bob this is a hell of a niche like i didn't know you were a
Starting point is 00:08:39 diehard we're going we're going all over the place but we watch it in a hotel room which is good because you're spending extra money for it. So it's like you're paying movie theater prices. It was like $20 on the TV. And I loved it, of course. I'm nine years old, and I love every superhero movie ever. I was 10 at that point. But the thing that always stuck in my mind still to this day is that my mom loved it.
Starting point is 00:09:01 My mom hates action movies. She hates any movie where there's explosions, this, that. And she'll still sometimes be like, I really like that first Iron Man movie. That is the sign of a great movie. What do you remember about the initial release of Iron Man? So while nine-year-old Robbie Fox was getting ready to see Iron Man for the first time, 26-year-old Clem, who had graduated college and, you know, I was now living with my – was I living with my wife at this point? No.
Starting point is 00:09:32 It was a year before I even got engaged. But still, post-college, living in the city, working in the city. That's a hell of a statement. I'm going to stop you right there. For how far we've come and how long this universe has spanned you are not even engaged at that point not living with your wife at all and now you you have a home with your wife up in winterfell you have two kids two kids i mean this is like this is a lifetime it's a lifetime like a lifetime like more than half of my life has been spent on these movies so continue
Starting point is 00:10:02 me in 2008 that man is dead he's dead so this is my birth i've had this full life since then yeah so and the thing is for me as someone that you know obviously you're a little you were a little younger at this point i saw and i said like everyone else is like yo that looks fucking awesome but it was also iron man i i read comics as a kid i was more of an x-men guy, but I wasn't really an Iron Man guy. I know whenever I saw Iron Man in a comic, I'd be like, all right, later, nerd, like you fucking clunky, boxy little thing. And at this point, Marvel movies, you weren't thinking MCU. You're thinking there's hits, there's misses.
Starting point is 00:10:37 Again, X-Men guy, so I know that some of the X-Men had hit and missed. Same with some of the Spider-Mans, all that kind of stuff. So there was nothing that was like – and the internet wasn't – it was still like nerd culture at this point. It wasn't as mainstream as nerd culture is now where we get our own podcasts to break down this fantastic – I know, called my mom's basement. Yeah. Just like a nerd call sign basically. Yeah, that was the safe place.
Starting point is 00:10:58 Those safe spaces don't need to exist anymore. But yeah, I was kind of – I didn't really think it was going to be great and i remember i actually my wife and i saw it together that's when i go holy shit that was fucking awesome and john favreau he did this one right and i was like he just that uh do my steven a said max kellerman that was the most important movie in marvel cinematic universe history because that that got me in hook line and sinker i was kind of like all right i'm sure they're gonna do a bunch and you heard whispers of other movies or whatever but when i saw that i go oh shit i care about iron man if i can care about iron man i can care about basically anybody and all the credit in the world to robert downey jr for nailing the part as well as he did
Starting point is 00:11:38 robert downey jr and as iron man is as good as any actor has ever played a superhero. I'll stand by that a thousand percent. Hard cosign. It's almost, I'm sure the Downey family wouldn't agree with this. I'm sure Robert wouldn't agree with this. All the personal demons that happen in his life, I thank God for because he doesn't probably take a superhero role unless
Starting point is 00:11:59 all the shit that had gone down with him beforehand. It's kind of like Johnny Depp with Pirates. It's like he doesn't probably end up as Jack Sparrow unless either he needs beforehand kind of it's kind of like johnny depp with pirates right and it's like he doesn't probably end up as a as you know jack sparrow unless either he needs to roll or he's kind of like not doing his own little fancy films in hollywood and i think robert it was like just all the way things break you know everything happens for a reason and this we are eternally grateful for that it was it was all of the stars aligning and it was it's like robert downey jr becomes iron man and then iron man became robert downey jr they started drawing iron man to look more like robert downey jr in the
Starting point is 00:12:31 comics because his portrayal as iron man was more interesting than anyone had ever written iron man to be the end credit scene in this movie is i i got chilled on my arm right now talking about it because it's crazy looking back and realizing what was started by Nick Fury coming in and being like, you think you're the only one? I'm assembling a team. I got goosebumps. And it's just – You look nothing like Nick Fury, yet you made me have goosebumps thinking about him saying that. I remember calling my brother after I watched it, and this was – I actually saw The Incredible Hulk first because I saw that on my birthday.
Starting point is 00:13:05 It came out right before my birthday. I still have my ticket stub from that movie. I have all my ticket stubs. I keep every ticket stub I ever get. Really? Baseball, movies, everything. I have like a memory box. I throw it on there.
Starting point is 00:13:14 Star Wars I keep all because I have five for Fortress. You're a Star Wars guy? I am. I dabble in the wars. I have seven for The Last Jedi. But I called my brother and my brother was like, do you realize they're going to have all of the heroes unite? And I was like, no way. Iron Man and the Hulk in the same movie?
Starting point is 00:13:31 That's going to be insane. We were so fucking dumb back then. So naive. They're going to keep adding them. They're going to keep adding them. And I was like, all right. So Iron Man 2 comes out. I think my brother was maybe on tour, maybe not.
Starting point is 00:13:43 And I went and saw this with my friends who I was just like getting into this new friend group where I was in sixth grade in a band with freshmen. So I was like going to see the midnight premiere with the older kids. I thought it was so cool. Loved Iron Man 2. I could tell at the time that it wasn't as good as the first one, and I was a little disappointed because the first one is amazing, and I was unfairly expecting it to live up to that. But Iron Man 2 introduces Black Wid black widow you get more nick fury you get mickey rourke as whiplash who has one of the cooler like designs you get my favorite part of the whole movie the briefcase suit which yeah when you put any physics to doesn't make much sense because that suit would be like the briefcase would be 300 pounds or something. But it's awesome. It's an awesome scene.
Starting point is 00:14:25 And then you get Thor coming in afterwards, which was a big stinker, and I hated, to be quite honest with you. The villain in Thor is just – I just think about who was the villain, the big silver asshole? The big silver asshole. Yeah, that was actually his name in the comic books. Is that canon? It's canon, yes. It is. You get Loki at the end.
Starting point is 00:14:44 You get kind of a tease of the tesseract you get more teases towards like things coming you get in iron man 2 you they find the hammer in the desert and i remember that being huge people being like oh shit the mighty thor's coming in captain america the first avenger then brought me 100 back because i also went to see the midnight opening for this and captain amer America, as you know, is my favorite Marvel hero. He never was before the movies. I didn't really have a favorite Marvel hero before the movies. It was probably Spider-Man because of the Tobey Maguire movies.
Starting point is 00:15:12 But I was always DC until the day I die as a kid. All my action figures were DC. All my comics that were children's comics were DC. My coloring books were DC. But I watched Captain America. This breaks my heart, Robbie. This just breaks my heart robbie this just breaks my heart i mean i saw the batman sticker you have on the computer probably i never knew you were such a dc guy such a dc guy but i watched the first avenger and i see a hero that looks exactly
Starting point is 00:15:38 like me a little scrawny nerd and he gets a shot and he's fucking chris evans the most built ripped guy i've ever seen in my life turns into the super soldier that scene in boot camp this is my favorite scene in captain america favorite two scenes actually in the first one one where they're like sir do you want to kill nazis he's like i don't like bullies because i don't care where they come from love that because i'm like man that's something that my i hate naz, that's something that my four-year-old nephew could look up to. It's like bullies are bad. Don't bully. We're teaching morals in this movie.
Starting point is 00:16:12 I love it. And then my second favorite scene, which encapsulates Captain America, his entire character, his entire being, everything. In boot camp, when the grenade is thrown at the entire group everyone runs away and he dives on top of it so we're i'm an iron man guy however you and i know you're a cap guy and the only thing that keeps me coming from like really trash in captain america is because that grenade scene is the most impressive scene out of anything anyone does in all the movies it's fucking so awesome and it's it's like, if you hate anyone named Captain America in general,
Starting point is 00:16:45 you're probably an asshole. But to hate a guy that actually would dive on the grenade in boot camp for these people that hasn't even gone through all this stuff,
Starting point is 00:16:52 that is just, I mean, that's a dude that you could build a team around right there. Yes. And after Captain America, the movie ends with him
Starting point is 00:16:59 sacrificing himself for the people. The Tesseract is introduced with Red Skull. And he wakes up. He was frozen in the red skull and he wakes up he was frozen in the ice and he wakes up listening to a baseball game and he kind of looks around for a second and he realizes he's heard this game i think he actually says he was at the game that he's listening to and he runs out into time square and sees all of the electronics all the lights
Starting point is 00:17:21 all the billboards having been frozen since what the 40s yep and you realize we're about to see this motherfucker from the 40s unite with thor unite with iron man unite with the hulk unite with black widow with hawkeye and it's like oh my god this is all happening and i remember the buzz for the first avengers movie being other than the force awakens the most buzz i've ever lived through for one particular movie it was me and my brother would go to comic shops just to like overhear people talk about avengers i remember walking into a comic shop i think it was joker's child maybe if you're a new jersey person you'll know that one and i remember walking and talking about the avengers we had been
Starting point is 00:18:01 listening to avengers assemble the soundtrack on the way there. We were just like, man, let's go to the comic shop, see if they got any Avengers stuff, which, what a dumb question. Us two naive DC guys, though, were like, let's see if they got Avengers stuff at the comic shop. We walk in, and the guy behind the counter was like, hey, you guys are going to see Avengers opening night, right? And we were like, yeah. And he's like, see, I told you.
Starting point is 00:18:19 To another guy, like, everyone's going opening night. So I went for a midnight showing with my buddies at the movie theater, and we showed up at the theater at nine because you can't reserve seats back then so we're like we better get there super early and the theater was dead empty so we got really we got dropped off and for the next like two hours we just talked about the avengers what we wanted to happen and then eventually people started showing up. We line up. And the movie sticks the landing. It is everyone – it was everything everyone wanted it to be and more. And we were all just blown away by the fact that they made it work with six different superheroes on screen, which is very funny to look back at being they made Infinity War work with a billion characters. But Endgame was just the first Avengers was just insane.
Starting point is 00:19:10 And seeing Thanos turn around and smile in the post credit scene. At that point, I had looked into Marvel. I had read up on all the comics I needed to. So I had an idea of who Thanos was. And I just melted in my chair like, oh, my God, they're going to get to Thanos one day. They absolutely said I don't think there's any better way to put it than they stuck the landing. And this is when I like to kind of like, everything just kind of clicked for me.
Starting point is 00:19:32 And I looked at like, I think some of my friends have kids and they were, you know, a little older at that point where they could, you know, they knew what they were wearing. I think they're all wearing Avengers shirts and they have Hulk figures and Thor figures. I'm like, oh man, Marvel is going to start making money now because Marvel, they were struggling back in the day, you know? So you didn't know. I think
Starting point is 00:19:48 that's kind of why all the franchises got scattered the way it did. It's because they didn't really know how they were going to build this. So Marvel was actually going bankrupt and to save ass, Stan Lee pretty much sold the film rights for all of his heroes for dirt cheap. Offered to sell them all to Sony and Fox
Starting point is 00:20:03 or whoever, and they said, we just want Spider-Man. All of the other ones are useless, so give us Spider-Man. They took them for dirt cheap, made the Tobey Maguire movies, which are wildly successful, and then Marvel Studios still had the rest of them. That's going to someone's garage sale. It's like, I'm going to take your wedding ring,
Starting point is 00:20:23 but I don't need all these nice old things. Here's the family photos. Here's my third child. Oh god in hindsight how dumb that guy had to get fired whoever did not take that iron man for looking on the chief so i but i remember um once avengers even like the the because you're like oh how these guys are going to do the story the story weaved how the you know the the clear power struggles they're having and working together and then and getting to see yes is is so cool getting to see thor and hulk fight on the on the helicarrier and getting to see you know hulk chasing black widow and destroying everything in his path getting to see the shield hit the hammer and send a sonic boom oh that's what would happen if that happened it's awesome iron man sweeping into acdc to confront loki for the first time and then obviously you have the iconic scenes
Starting point is 00:21:10 of we have a hulk and him slamming loki back and forth with puny god and you think hulk was that hulk gotta be the mvp of that of that uh he might have been he really might have been hulk in that movie reminds me of chewy in the force awakens how it was a character that everyone loved and everyone was cool with but he gets in that movie and you're just like oh my god he like stole every scene he was in every scene even the scene where he falls from the helicarrier and the janitor like sees him he looks over in the wreckage and he's like you have a condition which is just such a funny line but there's a one shot in the Battle of New York where they take you through you know
Starting point is 00:21:45 iron man flying and then uh captain america and iron man using their powers together where iron man sends a pulse beam off the shield and it ends in grand central with hulk like rips apart off that flying thing stabs it into him and then thor hammers it down crashes into grand central and he just punches thor because they had that rivalry i I forgot about that rivalry they had too. That was amazing. Which bled into Ragnarok perfectly. Yep. And my favorite part of that whole movie is still probably the circle.
Starting point is 00:22:15 The team up where they all meet and the camera pans around them. That's what I want to see in Endgame. We'll get to it, but I want to see a circle up in Endgame with everybody. Give me the whole squad. Recre that would be amazing after avengers marvel goes on a bit of not a slump but they release iron man 3 immediately a bad movie to release after the avengers in my eyes because it was boring as shit basically you took the suit away from iron man had him walk in the snow with a little kid for a while. I was not a fan.
Starting point is 00:22:47 This might be my least favorite Marvel Cinematic Universe movie. Yep, it's up there for me as well. The only saving grace for it is the Iron Legion scene at the end, which is amazing on the docks. It's awesome. Thor the Dark World, a lot of people hate the sequel to Thor. I don't hate. I actually like a lot more than the first Thor. Me and my brother saw this, another one we saw on opening night remember leaving the theater like man we didn't we went
Starting point is 00:23:08 in with low expectations and loved it loki steals the show in that one where you realize like he was amazing in avengers he was really good in the dark world people don't give him credit for that i love loki i've that's one i've fallen in love with loki i've fallen in love with him in these movies he's been great and then they bring everyone back in with the Winter Soldier. One of the best superhero movies ever made, in my mind. It's basically, what if we made the best Jason Bourne movie ever, but Jason Bourne was Steve Rogers. I like that. There's the elevator scene where everyone gets on the elevator with Cap and he realizes they're about to attack him.
Starting point is 00:23:44 He's like, before I start here, does anyone want to get off? It's just such an awesome scene. I read a story that someone at Marvel headquarters or Marvel Studio headquarters, Disney, something like that, got on an elevator with Chris Evans once and Chris Evans as the elevator door closed said the
Starting point is 00:24:00 line and they said everyone in the elevator just died like, man, you're the best, Chris Evans. I think if I could be anyone, it might be Chris Evansans chris evans he's up there chris pratt is another one though the chris's are chris hemsworth is another your name is chris you're just good i i always wanted to be named john as a kid i kind of wish i was named chris i don't know because close enough justin i did it to john oh don't throw the government name you're feeling like when my government name goes out there they get really mad that they my name isn't just clem i wasn't just a one word you were born as clem that's what people know people think that
Starting point is 00:24:27 people think i'm just my name is clem i know but that's your that's your secret identity justin is i it was always like too weird because there was no justin bieber justin timberlake there's no justin justin tuck so i was like i just want to be just john john starks was good with the next i liked him so i was like just give me john and chris apparently would, I would be a fucking superhero right now if my name was Chris. I wanted to be Lucas when I was a kid. Well, that makes sense. Because Lucas from, not even because George Lucas. Really?
Starting point is 00:24:51 Not even related. Oh, Luke Skywalker. I thought Luke was cool. Nope. It was Lucas from One Tree Hill. It was so cool. My sister watched One Tree Hill. What an upset this is.
Starting point is 00:25:00 I was like, bro, that guy's a badass. I want to be Lucas. After Winter Soldier, we get Guardians of the Galaxy, which blew my mind seeing in the theater. I didn't see it opening night. I was kind of like, this is weird. Like, they're making a Guardians of the Galaxy movie with the guy from Parks and Rec? Okay. Everyone was kind of like, ah, it'll be like Marvel's just trying to just cash in on everything.
Starting point is 00:25:21 They're trying to just get everything out there. But the reviews, when they came out, it was wild. And my buddy Dom had seen it, and he's like, you gotta come see it. I'm going to see it for a second time. He's like, let's go do this. We went into the theater, and I came out a changed man. A changed man who realized that was the greatest thing I've ever
Starting point is 00:25:38 seen. We had an amazing soundtrack. We had an amazing cast. The most chemistry I've ever seen between five people, probably. With two of them being cgi just complete creations and vin diesel and bradley cooper like two people that never really get the credit they deserve for hell i mean diesel i don't know if we have to give this guy that much credit i could play groot and be just can you know can you i think i can i can just put voice modulators on and it would be our group might be the most heart-wrenching you know at least scene, if not movie scene of all time.
Starting point is 00:26:08 Oh, my God. I was a puddle in the theater. When he says We Are Groot, he hugs everybody. I made Trent rewatch a lot of the Marvel Cinematic Universe because he wanted to see Infinity War. And he's like, can I just watch Infinity War? And I was like, no, motherfucker. You've got to start at the beginning. You've got to watch a bunch of these.
Starting point is 00:26:23 You've got to get the backstories. And I knew when he got to Guardians of the Galaxy because he just sent me We Are Groot followed by like three crying face emojis. And I was like, I know, man. I know. We are Groot. It's very upsetting. But you get to see baby Groot in the post-credits scene. You know it's not all bad. You have a footloose ending.
Starting point is 00:26:40 It's just the most fun, lightheartedhearted marvel cinematic universe movie in the best way possible because when it has serious notes it hits them and they're like you said the we are super heart-wrenching but it still has it's just so much fun john c reilly knocks it out of the park oh absolutely they start to get into a feel of getting better villains at this point too ronan i thought was pretty funny yeah i thought r Ronan was decently fleshed out. After Guardians of the Galaxy. By the way, Guardians of the Galaxy, for me, I didn't even see. I didn't see in the theater.
Starting point is 00:27:11 It was around the time we had our first kid. She was born and taking up our lives. So I watched it on streaming, and I did not like it. But I was also chasing her around. Now, we're going to talk later about our top five. It's number two on my list. It's one of my favorites. It's movies favorite just movies of all time top five comic book movies easy uh guardians one and two or two and three on my list i love the guardians crew is so i mean i love them my daughter my son just had his first birthday it was guardians of the
Starting point is 00:27:38 galaxy themed not because he likes it because he doesn't know a goddamn thing it's because my daughter her favorite thing is guardians of the galaxy we just listen to the soundtrack on loop we play marvel games she always ends up being star lord and she wants to be gamora for halloween every one of those characters even gamora who just plays the wet blanket you like her though because it's like she she is who she is because her dad's thanos and yeah and she's part of the team add anyone to the team and i'll be like all right they're part of the team they're my guy now yeah exactly it's like rooting for a sports team and getting a player that you're like, I didn't like them when they were on that other team, but I guess they're my guy now. Adam Banks from Mighty Ducks, same kind of thing. It's like you're wearing our jersey.
Starting point is 00:28:13 We're cool with you. After Guardians, they come back with Age of Ultron, the second Avengers movie, Joss Whedon's second Avengers movie. And the trailers made this look like it was going to be the darkest, like Empire Strikes Back type sequel. And it very much wasn't. It was very kind of lighthearted as a movie. And Ultron just couldn't stop cracking jokes the entire time. I did not love this movie. I think a lot – I mean – and this was – the thing about Marvel is they do have some real misses that were pretty important misses.
Starting point is 00:28:42 And I think we'll get into it when we get to Infinity War. i went into infinity we're very skeptical about it because of how bad ultron was and you know movies don't usually get better when you start adding numbers to the back of them iron man one to iron man two to iron man three and all the i mean all those kind of things and the way ultron kind of ended up i mean i think i probably watched it twice three times i think i think i watched it twice total i I think I watched it once initially. I saw it in theaters like a week after it came out too. I remember feeling when Ultron came out, even after The Winter Soldier, which I loved, and even after Guardians of the Galaxy, which I loved,
Starting point is 00:29:15 being like, maybe take a break between movies. Because I remember feeling overwhelmed. And Ultron comes out and I was like, fuck. I think this might be it for Marvel. Which I'm so dumb. I'm so absolutely dumb. But Quicksil I was like, fuck. I think this might be it for Marvel. Which, I'm so dumb. I'm so absolutely dumb. Quicksilver was like a dud. I thought Scarlet Witch was a dud in this movie. I thought Vision was eh.
Starting point is 00:29:32 The only scene I really love from it is when they're all joking around trying to lift the hammer. I knew you were going to say that, Robbie. I can read you like a book. Would you cry? Did you cry during that scene? I didn't cry during any part in Age of Ultron. I can confirm that. But Ant-Man follows it up. Paul Rudd enters the Marvel Cinematic during that scene i didn't cry during any part in age of ultron i can confirm that but ant-man follows it up paul rudd enters the marvel cinematic universe and i fell back in love with it immediately
Starting point is 00:29:51 because i love ant-man love the first ant-man way more than most i think i actually like ant-man and the wasp even better really i'm super high on the ant-man movies maybe just because my sister who isn't the biggest superhero fan loves paul rd and it's her favorite superhero is Ant-Man. So I like relate to her in that way. I'm like, yeah, Ant-Man. I want to go see the new Ant-Man. Was her favorite superhero Ant-Man before Paul Rudd? No.
Starting point is 00:30:13 I was going to say that is a wild – your sister is a diehard. No, no, no. Not at all. I'll be honest. I didn't watch either Ant-Man movies because, again, with kids and stuff like that. And I had to watch like a five-minute YouTube recap of what happens in Ant-Man basically. I think you would like him. I think I would because I like Paul Rudd.
Starting point is 00:30:31 I find him delightful. I find Paul Rudd's unbelievably handsome too. I'll watch Paul Rudd in anything. Yeah, exactly. Literally anything. Paul Rudd is – he's like – I love you, man. Role models.
Starting point is 00:30:41 He's a chain color. It's always good. Always good. It's always good. There's actually a very underrated Paul Rudd comedy on Netflix, exclusive Netflix movie called The Fundamentals of Caring that I recommend everyone check out. We're going to do that podcast next week, right?
Starting point is 00:30:52 Fundamentals of Caring. Fundamentals of Caring, the whole pregame, the whole after show. After Ant-Man comes Captain America Civil War, one of my favorite comic book movies ever made. I saw this movie three times in theaters. It is the breakup of the Avengers. It is Captain America versus Iron Man over the Sokovia Accords.
Starting point is 00:31:10 We introduce Spider-Man to the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Tom Holland's Spider-Man, who is, for my money, the greatest Spider-Man of all time. The fight scene in the airport is amazing. The introduction of Black Panther is amazing. The introduction of Spider-ther is amazing the introduction of
Starting point is 00:31:25 spider-man is perfectly done the when the queens hits the screen and you know who we're about to get it's so awesome aunt may super hot marisha tomei would any day of the week over everything else my favorite part of this movie is the third act when helmet zemo brings everyone to slovakia i think it is, and they're expecting to fight a bunch of super soldiers. And you're like, oh my God, the Avengers are going to have to team up to fight all the super soldiers. And they walk in and they all have a bullet in their brain. And you realize he brought them all there
Starting point is 00:31:56 to reveal that the Winter Soldier killed Tony Stark's parents. Oh my God. This is the greatest thing I've ever seen in my life he turns iron man against winter soldier and captain america and they have the coolest fight scene ever where tony stark delivers the line i don't care he killed my mom and you're like oh my god i have a mom i fucking love my mom the most personal superhero fight of all time they fight it's the coolest thing ever he says you know sorry tony he's my friend and he says so was i they go on a tear i thought captain america like killed iron
Starting point is 00:32:30 man in the scene where he drives the shield into his arc reactor this is we'll talk about our top five i didn't realize it until i re-watched all the movies before infinity war my number two i love civil war way more than most people do they say it's a little clunky a little too long this that the next thing civil war for my money is a perfect movie see i and as i'm like saying all this i didn't get to see it in theater i saw it at home i didn't i it kind of like was clunky to me so i don't know if it's just me i also realized i think my kids are ruining superheroes for movies for me because all the movies i like before they were born i liked and now it's like and then i have to re-watch and i fall in love with the guardians i'm gonna have
Starting point is 00:33:07 to re-watch civil war before um endgame because i mean the airport scene i loved i absolutely it's 10 out of 10 people also shit on that they're like the whole backdrop for the fight was an airport and it's like yeah that happens sometimes superheroes don't select awesome locations to fight give new york city a fucking break guys we're trying to live here we can't just have these people just fighting here all the time and like i don't know the locations to fight. Give New York City a fucking break, guys. We're trying to live here. We can't just have these people just fighting here all the time. And, like, I don't know, the airport's one of the greatest Call of Duty Modern Warfare battles of all time. So why can't the superheroes fight there?
Starting point is 00:33:36 That is a nitpick. It's such a weird nitpick that I've seen so often. They're like, the big battle really takes place in an airport. It's like, who cares? The battle takes place. The battle takes place. The battle takes place. You get to see the Avengers fight each other. There's a scene where half of the Avengers are on one side
Starting point is 00:33:51 and the other half are on the other side, and they run towards each other, and it's amazing. Civil War also, for me, is one of the most comic book-y movies ever in that every scene felt like it was ripped from a comic book for me. The scene where Tony Stark puts his hand over a gun and the Iron Man hand folds up out of it and gets – he absorbs the bullet. I'm like, man, I could imagine reading that in a panel. Like the fight scene looks like a big splash page as does the ending fight scene with Captain America's bouncing his shield like off the floor to Winter Soldier to hit Iron Man in the face with it.
Starting point is 00:34:21 Everything about Winter Soldier. Ant-Man just like takes up the entire page at one point. You get to see Ant-Man become Giant-Man and Spider-Man says, do you ever see that old movie Empire Strikes Back and starts wrapping him up like an AT-AT? I won't argue with you on that one. Oh boy, that could be its own podcast. Do you say AT-AT?
Starting point is 00:34:38 I just knew here. I say AT-AT because AT-ST exists. Me too. So, I mean, you can't say AT-AT and AT-ST. Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you. I've only been an AT-ST exists. Me too. So, I mean, you can't say AT-AT and AT-ST. Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you. I've only been an AT-AT guy. Oh, Rob, I'm happy I'm on the same side of history with you on this one.
Starting point is 00:34:50 But I just got back from Star Wars Celebration, and there are a lot of passionate AT-AT people. So I will not provoke that argument. Doctor Strange comes out, a movie I didn't want to see. My friend bought me a ticket for opening night. Wow. I was like, I guess I'll go. Wound up loving it. Me too.
Starting point is 00:35:04 I think doctor strange is very enjoyable it's nothing crazy special but the final act of the dormammu i've come to bargain is super unique and very fun in that way so great acting too great acting benedict cumberbatch is perfect for the role and it shines way more in ragnarok and infinity war for me that is true that is true and i think a big part of a lot of these movies is expectations where I really went in high expectations on probably the Avengers 2 and I went in with the Iron Man movies after one. Whereas this one, I was like, yo, Wizard. I still don't understand half the shit from Doctor Strange and I've seen it a couple of
Starting point is 00:35:37 times and I've seen him in a bunch of movies. But if you go, I went in with expectations and I was very pleasantly surprised. The visual effects are super cool too, kind of Matrix-y. After that, one of your favorites, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2, which you were also not fully in on the Guardians at this point either, right? I was like, all right, let's try this again. We're going to start on 2. And then I was like, god damn.
Starting point is 00:35:56 I mean, if you can't get into baby Groot dance in the beginning, you just don't have a soul. But after that, I was like, all right, this is a lot. Now, in the comic books, I never read the Guardians. Anything in space I didn't really like in the comic books. Silver Surfer, all the cosmic shit, Galactus, Thanos. I hated Thanos. He was a clunky-looking dude too.
Starting point is 00:36:12 And I was like, so this whole – I know and I knew, again, since I was on the X-Men side of the equation for Marvel people, I knew all these people were so excited for Thanos. And I'm like, yo, I don't give a fuck about Thanos. I don't give a fuck about this talking raccoon, this kind of stuff and now it's number three on my list yeah big time big time rocket ricochet I really like Guardians 2 I I don't like it quite as much as the first which again like Iron Man and Iron Man 2 it's like you can't expect it to live up to the first because the first is one of the best but Drax steals the show in Guardians 2 every time Drax opens his mouth I was crying laughing in Guardians 2. The sweet rabbit comment when he's letting Nebula pet Rocket Raccoon.
Starting point is 00:36:51 He's like – she's like, can I pet your puppy? He's like, yes, he would love that. He would love that. And the root not being – it's not ripe or whatever. Just those little running jokes. The running joke of sending baby Groot out to get Yondu's mohawk yeah him coming back with random things when he starts dragging that desk I was crying in the theater laughing and it's I'm Mary Poppins y'all I'm still one of the greatest lines ever delivered I might cry I love that scene such a great scene and
Starting point is 00:37:21 I I mean I you know all the deaths, I'm sure. That might be, like, the most, like, earth-shattering death for me was Yondu's death. And I didn't even like the guy. And then as I was watching this movie the second time, I'm like, oh, my God. Not only do I love the Guardians, I think I love Yondu. I think I love Yondu. Does he say, I think he says to Peter Quill, he says, he may have been your dad. Or he may have been your father, but he wasn't your daddy.
Starting point is 00:37:45 Yeah, oh, you got me goosebumps, Bobby. Such a great line. After that, we got Spider-Man Homecoming. Tom Holland finally getting his own solo movie as Spider-Man, one of my favorites in the MCU. One of my nephew's favorites, Michael Keaton playing Vulture. Oh, great. Getting cast as a bird once again, from Birdman to Batman to Vulture. Guy can't stop throwing wings on.
Starting point is 00:38:04 He's awesome. Zendaya's awesome. Peter's awesome. Zendaya is awesome. Peter's love interest in this movie is awesome. The dick that was always bringing up like, yeah, you're friends with Spider-Man, Parker. He's such a great high school type villain. You know, the whole movie felt like it was high school. Finally, Tobey Maguire was fucking 35
Starting point is 00:38:20 when he's playing Spider-Man. Andrew Garfield's just the hottest dude in the world. We finally got like a sort of nerdy Spider-Man from queens who felt like spider-man in the comics the stan when stan lee and company made spider-man they didn't make him to look like andrew garfield because stan lee didn't look like fucking you know peter parker going up or uh andrew garfield so that's the way it should be and there is something authentic about when you're peter parker's like that and you know he his friends are nerds they're're not fucking James Franco. You know what I mean? Like I got Ned.
Starting point is 00:38:46 We got amazing. That's one of the best after homecoming. We got Ragnarok Thor's best appearance to date. The most visually appealing Marvel cinematic universe movie ever. Maybe when they're on whatever that, uh, uh, the,
Starting point is 00:39:00 oh yeah. Um, the garbage planet where he fights Hulk, whatever the fuck it was, you know, it is. There's listeners listening right now screaming at us like, how do you not know this? You frauds.
Starting point is 00:39:11 And you could tweet it at Robbie. It's probably been muted. Every word you could tweet is muted right now. He's going to have no idea. I have all the planets muted. I have everything muted. They cut Thor's hair. They give him a new look.
Starting point is 00:39:20 You get more Loki, more great Loki. You get Jeff Goldblum, who is amazing as the grandmaster is that what he's the grandmaster flash yeah something like that who fucking cares he's goldblum he's god goldblum that's what you guys what i call him like goldblum to god you get to see thor destroy an army of aliens to led zeppelin yes playing immigrant song it is phenomenal i love everything about this movie and this movie features my favorite side character in the entire mcu my man corg corey yeah hi i'm cold i'm made of rocks i love that guy i love that guy when loki shows up and he starts throwing shit at him he's like piss off ghost i love corg i need corg in endgame need corg in endgame i will be disappointed if he's not i was
Starting point is 00:40:02 wondering what happened with corg and i, and I was like, I just figured it was one of those things I probably missed between the end of Ragnarok and to the beginning of Infinity War, obviously. Ragnarok, I also loved Tessa Thompson. Oh, no. I love that we find out that Odin, it's not all, you know, like, the
Starting point is 00:40:19 real truth about Odin and all the shit with death and all that kind of stuff. I didn't love Thor's hammer getting, you destroyed but I understand you know once Infinity War came around why it did um but I also like that Thor we see a little bit more of his personality that we didn't see in the Thor movies themselves you know practically a comedy yeah it's practically there are so many jokes in this movie it's enjoyable for superhero fans and non-superhero fans it works so well Taika waititi knocked this one out of the park black panther there's nothing we can say about black panther that hasn't already been
Starting point is 00:40:50 said this movie was the biggest cultural movement that superhero movies have basically ever seen as far as representation as far as like a social impact on the world i saw black panther three times in theaters i love black panther i think it's really good it's not top tier Marvel for me I put it right behind like Homecoming as like eight on my list okay
Starting point is 00:41:09 but Chadwick Boseman is amazing Michael B. Jordan steals the show as Killmonger steals the show Andy Serkis
Starting point is 00:41:16 not in mocap Andy Serkis actually acting which I always love to see Andy Serkis one of my favorites and we get to see how beautiful Wakanda is on the big screen.
Starting point is 00:41:26 Wakanda is fucking – that's like the star of the show is Wakanda and just all the technology and stuff like that. And Shuri too is one of my favorites. Yes. Shuri is absolutely phenomenal. Shuri during – And the relationship between her and T'Challa reminds me of like me and my sister. It's like a cool – everyone understands that dynamic. I think anyone with a sister or brother has like yep they they nailed
Starting point is 00:41:45 that shit like they must have both had a brother and a sister those two the way they played that flawlessly my only problem with black panther i think black panther was a fine movie i also again too much hype for that one for me so i didn't love it as much because i thought it was going to be you know on 100 out of 100 however i just feel like it's kind of some of my pick my nitpicks with like the last jedi he's like captain phasma like, dude, you won one fight and that's it. I need to see more out of my Black Panther here. If he's going to be this hero that's going to do it. If you're one superhero, you claw people to death.
Starting point is 00:42:12 I need to see you just beat the shit out of people. If that goes to the cards, that fight, he's losing that fight. You know what I mean? It was almost like Michael B. Jordan's character was too entertaining that it almost took away from Black Panther. But I will say they did a tremendous job. I mean, like you said, the culture movement plus the long term. Black Panther is going to be a big part of this and Wakanda in general, which is a very – obviously we have an Infinity War. It's going to be a very big part of the cinematic universe now, that I would love for them to go back to, but you run the risk of getting Batman comparisons, is the intro scene where he rescues the hostages and you only see glimpses of him in the gunfight.
Starting point is 00:42:53 That was cool. It's almost strobe lighty and you see Black Panther running up on you. It's very Batman-like, but I love people cowering in fear of the Black Panther in the other regions of Africa outside of Wakanda. I always thought that would be a cool thing for them to incorporate even more. Infinity War is the one after that. Infinity War, it's got to be one on your list, yeah? Number one with a bullet, and I'm
Starting point is 00:43:16 trying to figure out if it's my number one favorite comic book movie ever, because I'm throwing... This is how I think of it. That's my favorite comic book movie ever, and Dark Knight is my favorite comic book film ever it's the fancy film version that's my way to split the split the two i would agree completely you would agree dark knight is my number one infinity war is my number two without a doubt infinity war had the most hype and the most expectations and the the smallest target a movie has ever had they had to hit a very very tiny
Starting point is 00:43:46 target for this to work they incorporated like 20 something superheroes into one movie they had to give them all their right screen time they had to make nobody disappointed they had to kill off half of them spoilers if you've made it to this part they had to kill off half of them they had to make than they had to basically introduce Thanos from the start. We had only caught glimpses of him in post-credit scenes, no real dialogue from him. So they had to introduce this whole new villain who has been built up since 2012 as this is the big baddie that you guys should all be worried about. And they knocked every single part of this movie out of the park. It was an action ride.
Starting point is 00:44:21 It was like a roller coaster. And the entire time from the time it starts to the time it ends, I'm just like i cannot wait for the next part and i'm just enjoying this current part of the ride so much it's it's i mean it's like one of my top 10 favorite i love thanos thanos i didn't know who he was barely as a comic book reader and i cannot get enough of thanos i cannot get enough of the the gauntlet i have a picture of my house of it. Me and my kid, I want to be Thanos for Halloween. She's going to be my little Gamora. He has taken over my life. Oh, that's going to be awesome.
Starting point is 00:44:50 She's going to be the little baby Gamora, too. She has the thing. We'll get her teacher to balance a knife on her finger. I just love that man so much. And that's also a testament to the performance by Brolin. I mean, absolutely phenomenal. The way they write him. Brolin steals the show.
Starting point is 00:45:02 It's almost a Thanos movie. He's almost the main character of that yes and the avengers are his you know his adversaries are not his adversaries his the people that are trying to take him down as the main character and what he thinks he's doing what and he and he thinks he's doing what's right for the universe he thinks by wiping out half of the all universe randomly he's like this is the fair way to do it if i knock him out randomly in one clean swoop nobody will feel pain and we'll all live on forever he makes some interesting points bob i know you're a young man i know you don't know how ugly life can get as an older man on the other side of this let me tell you thanos makes some very good points and i'm
Starting point is 00:45:39 telling you there's a chance we're going to start end game and everything is going to be going great and the avengers may end up being the bad guys because that would be a bad look for the earth's mightiest hero that would be a bad look is we're back to congestion fossil fuels are drying up the worlds are overheating god knows i mean other planets are probably like in in our straight nirvana right now and then these guys are going to come back and bring back all the problems that caused it so i and and in the comic books or the graphic novel whatever i know like death is a big part of it i just think that would have been too heavy to introduce like the idea of death and then thanos and all these other things i think the way it was perfect
Starting point is 00:46:16 we discussed it yesterday because somebody called into kfc radio and they said hey why doesn't thanos just double everything this whole thing is we don't have enough resources he almost did an actual spit take on to the computer. It's like that would have been so much easier. Yeah, he has a fucking gauntlet. He can do whatever he wants. Wow. So they said that, and the answer is in the comics,
Starting point is 00:46:34 it's because what he's doing, he's trying to impress death as a woman and as all of that. And we discussed that a little bit because Brendan Clancy brought that up. But death would be so weird in the movies, in this universe. I don't think it would work. I but death would be so weird in the movies in this universe i i don't think it would work i think it would be silly i think it'd be campy almost that thanos has a love interest that he's trying to impress i love that what he's doing in the movies he is doing solo as listen this is my mission my world got fucked because we didn't do this so now i'm going to try to carry this out i stayed up the night i saw infinity war i pulled an all-nighter because i couldn't put into
Starting point is 00:47:04 words how great this movie was. I was trying to write my blog. That went up at like 3 p.m. that day. And then I went home and went to sleep because I was like, okay, I got to go see Infinity War again tomorrow. Better get some shut-eye. Your reaction too. It was like you had just seen your child being born for the first time. You're like, oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:47:21 But then it was like you were crying at the end because of the ending. And then the ending, oh, my God. But then it was like, there was like, you're crying at the end because of the ending. And then the ending, oh my God. So listen to this. Peter Parker telling Tony Stark I don't feel so good. Him sensing it
Starting point is 00:47:33 with his spidey sense and him fading away. The saddest moment in any superhero movie ever. I cried in the theater. I was a puddle. I cry thinking about it sometimes. We had to go home,
Starting point is 00:47:43 me and my brother, and explain to my nephew Luke, who Spider-Man is one of his favorite heroes. He said, can you tell me what happened in Infinity War? We weren't going to take him to the theater. He was a little too young, but he wanted to know. We said, well, Thanos won. And he was like, what do you mean? He was like, Thanos defeated all the good guys and he snapped.
Starting point is 00:47:59 So half of them are gone. We say they got defeated. Yeah, defeated. And he's like, did they go to the afterlife? We said, yes, they did. My parent looks forward to the first time they have to talk to their kids about their favorite comic book hero turning into dust. Yeah, and we start going down the list. Black Panther, yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:16 Winter Soldier, yeah. Falcon, yep, he's gone. And then we get to Spider-Man. He said, even Spider-Man? We said, yeah, buddy, Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2. But, you know, it'll be all right. He'll be back. And me and my brother are, like, choking up.
Starting point is 00:48:28 And we're like, oh, my God. My brother texted me the other day. Luke wanted to throw on Infinity War. So they watch it. And they get to the end. And when Peter Parker says, I don't feel so good, Luke grabs my brother. And he says, one last hug. And my brother was like, he had to, like, hold back tears in that moment.
Starting point is 00:48:42 I said, I would have been like, see you, Luke. I'm leaving. See you. Infinity War. Could not say enough great things about it. We actually did an entire podcast about it following with a few people in the office that I will link to in the podcast description if you're interested to hear way more about that. Afterwards, we get Ant-Man and the Wasp, which you haven't seen. I didn't see in theaters even.
Starting point is 00:49:00 I waited until it hit Netflix. I love Ant-Man, but it was one of those like i was just busy at the time i had a bunch of shit going on so i waited till i hit netflix and enjoyed it on a saturday morning one day it was just super enjoyable i love evangeline lily from law yes she's awesome so really enjoyed that and then we got captain marvel obviously a huge huge one billion dollar release back in march that i enjoyed too i thought it was, I didn't think it was top tier Marvel. I thought it was kind of on par with Black Panther. Yeah, that's a good way to put it.
Starting point is 00:49:30 I think that there were things there that were good about it. I like the character, which is I think the most important thing. You want to like the character coming out of it. You feel like, I feel like there was a better movie that they could have made
Starting point is 00:49:40 just the way that, I don't know if it was the writing or whatever, but it gave me the whole, it's the Kree and what's the other race? The Skrulls. The Skrulls. And the way that, I don't know if it was the writing or whatever, but it gave me the whole, it's the Kree, and what's the other race? The Skrulls. The Skrulls. And the way that it flips it on you, so I was like. It's a great flip.
Starting point is 00:49:51 It's a great flip. It really is. And Ben Mendelsohn as the Skrull is awesome. It's kind of fucked up. I think it changed my thoughts on reality. I'm like, there are really two sides to every story here. That's like a grown-ass man. I should already be thinking that kind of stuff,
Starting point is 00:50:04 but it's like the Skrulls are good good people maybe everyone's a good person maybe like or enemies are always fighting in the world they're like so it kind of fucked me up a little bit but um cal divers you're gonna fuck some stuff up she is my favorite parts of this movie are the other ties to the marvel cinematic universe the tesseract seeing the test shocking for me i was like oh that makes total sense nick fury seeing how he loses his eye. Has to lose the eye. Seeing Coulson and him, you know, kind of Coulson as a rookie and how Coulson got in Nick Fury's trust circle. That's awesome. And finally seeing how the Avengers were named.
Starting point is 00:50:35 And they were named after Carol the Avenger Danvers, which is so awesome. The soundtrack to that movie was great. Got a lot of 90s rock. A lot of 90s stuff. Which I love as a kid of, you know, my brother was a kid of of 90s rock i can still smell blockbuster right now if i close my eyes when they go to blockbuster i was like oh god i can't do anything to go and it's such a nostalgia because like you go to blockbuster and they'd have a hundred of the new movies and they'd all be sold out and you were just shit out of luck like yeah you're like this world's pretty good
Starting point is 00:50:58 right now at the same time you were like i'm already here so i'll pick a movie sometimes you found hidden gems whereas if you're scrolling through netflix you're like, no, I'll just go to Amazon Prime and see a movie. I loved going to – I didn't have a blockbuster in my town. I had Hollywood Video. Hollywood Video, yeah. We had Hollywood Video, Game Crazy next to it, and my favorite thing in the world was going to Hollywood Video, picking out a movie to rent, picking out candy on the aisle, getting a thing of popcorn.
Starting point is 00:51:20 There we have it. We've made it through the entire Marvel Cinematic Universe. That's how we got to this point. Give me your top five MCU movies. Start with five and count down for me. All right. So we're going Iron Man number five. Okay.
Starting point is 00:51:31 I'm with you. Iron Man number five. Four Avengers. Four Avengers for me. Really? We're on par. There's definitely going. Guardians 2.
Starting point is 00:51:40 I have Guardians 1 as my number three there. Okay. Guardians 1 is my two. Civil War is my number two. I knew the Civil War would throw us off. Because I get... We'll edit this podcast if I go home and watch Civil War and it moves up the list. And then number one, Infinity War.
Starting point is 00:51:56 We both have Infinity War number one. We have a very similar top five. I did not think it would be that close. Pretty similar to our Star Wars. I think we're pretty on par other than The Last Jedi. I think we pretty much have the same opinions. Which goes to say something about Infinity War because Empire, right, is your number one? Yes.
Starting point is 00:52:09 And it's where the bad guys win. I know. There's just something about it. And I'm Rebel Alliance for life. Yeah, me too. I love the Avengers. I love the Avengers for life and all that. But when the bad guy wins, it just makes for such a better movie.
Starting point is 00:52:19 The ending of Infinity War when he just smiles. I remember I saw it multiple times in theaters and every time people were just like what no no not like this no spider-man black panther no the theater actually the second time i saw it this was amazing because having all the information in my head got to experience the theater cheer for when thor hits him with the storm i think they got it they cheered and was like, oh my god. These people are about to hit heartbreak. And he just snaps. And everyone's like, huh!
Starting point is 00:52:50 And the sound direction when everyone's fading, when it's just dead silent, no music, no nothing. And you're just slowly seeing people fade one by one. And everyone got a big gasp. You know, they kind of build up. They start with Bucky Barnes. They show this guy. They show that guy. Then T'Challa comes in.
Starting point is 00:53:04 This is no place to die. Yep. And he fades. Everyone's like, what's going on right now? It's like that guy just made a billion dollars. You're going to kill him?
Starting point is 00:53:11 He made a billion dollars last month. Yeah, last month. What the fuck? And then you see Groot go and people start like sobbing. You see Peter Parker go and people start sobbing.
Starting point is 00:53:19 You just brought him back. He just died. You can't kill him again. They're like, where's the twigs? You got to replant them. You can't replant ashes It's just such a fucking phenomenal movie
Starting point is 00:53:29 So now we're gonna Now that you say this too I'm gonna So I'm gonna go on Friday morning And then I think my wife might go again that night Cause she's Ever since Guardians She's now all in on Marvel
Starting point is 00:53:37 And I Folks At home Listening You gotta go more than once And you gotta go early So you can hear the reactions. It would be like going back.
Starting point is 00:53:46 What you basically did is you went back in time to 2006 NLCS, watched everyone see the Andy Chavez catch and go, wait until you motherfuckers see Carlos Beltran take that curveball and get punched out. Because that's like, they just got their guts ripped out. That is what that must have felt like. However, for me, I was was like all right man we got you can't make an omelette without cracking a few eggs that's how i feel i'm with thanos i knew the
Starting point is 00:54:10 snap was very possible having been been a comic reader having read the infinity gauntlet and infinity wars i was like if they really go forward with this they're gonna have to kill some big wigs seeing iron man almost die as well when iron man gets stabbed which brings me to my first theory so we've gathered a few theories about Endgame, and this is my longest one. It's called the Time Paradox Theory. I don't remember exactly who this is from, but just in listening to me talk about it,
Starting point is 00:54:34 I'm sure you could look it up. It's one Reddit user in the r slash fan theory subreddit. This is a long theory, so stay with me. But in this scene, there's something that I believe reveals possibly the entire plot line of Avengers Endgame. The guy that wrote this theory said he was always bothered by the fact that Doctor Strange never used the time stone in their fight with Thanos on Titan, which he found weird. And then he said an answer became clear when he remembered certain key details from the Doctor Strange movie. Even with the power to slow, pause, or even reverse time, we've seen foes with the ability to ignore the Time Stone's effects.
Starting point is 00:55:06 So Thanos probably could have bypassed it with the Power Stone. So Doctor Strange, in viewing many alternate futures, saw the futility of using the Time Stone in their fight and chose to use it very differently. When Doctor Strange pulls the Time Stone seemingly out of nowhere, like Loki did with the Tesseract, and floats it over to Thanos to save Tony, we see two unique elements of this transaction. The first is that the stone is glowing brilliantly. Normally, when any of the other stones glow like this, it's because they're being used. It's not being used right now. The second is that Thanos is unable to grasp the stone physically, but instead is grabbing onto what appears to be an aura of it.
Starting point is 00:55:41 He even shoots Doctor Strange a glance over this peculiar phenomenon. If you watch it back, you will realize this glance was very glaring. He looks at him like, yo, what the fuck is going on with this stone right now? Where did you put this? Where was this stone sitting before you gave it to me, dude? Yeah, I just up your ass or some shit. So he says, this kicked my fan theory senses into overdrive, and I've been trying to piece it together ever since. Before I could launch into this, let's just talk about the unique properties of all the stones themselves quickly not their powers but the
Starting point is 00:56:08 properties they possess the power stone is so full of power it overloads and even destroys living beings coming into direct contact with it the space stone is able to house itself within and propagate an existence of a four-dimensional hypercube on a three-dimensional plane of existence that's what the Tesseract is. The reality stone doesn't have to remain solid. It could become a liquid, a gas, a plasma, anything. The soul stone cannot be acquired without trading a soul, and the mind stone has its own consciousness or can develop consciousness in vision.
Starting point is 00:56:37 So it says, we see that the unique properties tie beautifully into the identity of each stone and are very well suited to them. So what about the time stone? I would postulate that the time stone can be sent through all of time itself, going forward or backwards. How would you play keep away with the time stone? Easy. Send it forward in time where Thanos cannot get it.
Starting point is 00:56:56 The problem, as many comic fans know, is that Thanos is immortal so he can wait it out. So let's swing back into the exchange. Didn't know Thanos was immortal. Kind of love him even more now. Loki is able to... I don't know Thanos was immortal Kinda love him even more now Loki is able to I don't know if he's actually immortal Cause I think that motherfucker's gonna get his head cut off in Endgame But we'll talk about that in a sec
Starting point is 00:57:11 So Loki is able to conceal the Tesseract With his godlike powers of illusion While Doctor Strange could certainly be capable of mimicking this easy trick I don't think that's what's happening though The stone is glowing brilliantly Because it's actually traveling back in time from the future This becomes a lot easier to envision If you've watched Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure The stone is glowing brilliantly because it's actually traveling back in time from the future. This becomes a lot easier to envision if you've watched Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure.
Starting point is 00:57:31 Amazing note for this fan theory. What a way, yeah. We're going to go on Bill and Ted's canon stuff, but I'm on. So when Doctor Strange hid the time stone, it wasn't through some trick of light or illusion like Loki, but by sending it forward in time to be used later, only to be sent back when the Avengers had finished using it. The Time Stone can travel forward or backward in time, but not space. It will appear on Titan soon after the snap presenting itself to Tony. This is also why Tony needs to survive. If the snap is inevitable, then he is the only one smart enough to figure out what is going on when the time stone presents itself on Titan and study the stone in order to unlock the quantum realm. The same way the mind stone is in the specter used to create Ultron.
Starting point is 00:58:13 So this, I believe, was written before Ant-Man and the Wasp came out because Ant-Man and the Wasp will bring in the quantum realm, but the theory still works. This is why the gauntlet breaks from the snap. It's using a time stone from a reality where the Avengers have already won and sent it back in time. The paradox of using a time stone from a mutually exclusive reality breaks the gauntlet
Starting point is 00:58:34 and helps advance Doctor Strange's plan even further because it cripples Thanos' ability to fight back when the Avengers start mounting their counter-offensive. I think clips from the Infinity War trailer corroborate this. The clip of what looks like Tony taking off his glasses while out of focus Wong and Dr. Stranger in the background, seemingly frozen in time, does not appear in Infinity War, but could be pulled from Endgame, where Tony has acquired the Time Stone and begun looking
Starting point is 00:58:58 for ways to retrace his steps or travel into the past. The shot of the Battle of Wakanda containing Hulk didn't appear, but may be from Endgame when they have already gone back and now must face Thanos and his army at Wakanda again because Hulk wasn't in the original battle. Doctor Strange did use his greatest weapon,
Starting point is 00:59:16 just not when we think he did. I love this theory so much. I've read this theory over and over and over again. I know it was long. Thanks for hanging in there with me. I think this theory would be so awesome. And every time I watch the scene where Doctor Strange trades the time stone
Starting point is 00:59:28 for Tony's life, it's so clear in that there's something weird going on with the exchange of the time stone. Yep. And it's the, you know, I can't give it up. I've been sworn to protect it,
Starting point is 00:59:40 you know, from this basically Doctor Strange's line the entire time. And then it's, he just hands it over in the name of Tony Stark's line the entire time and then it's he just hands it over and then in the in the name of tony stark's life so i'm in tony stark someone he called a douchebag so i i'm gonna be interested to see how they like explain that to the audience that's a lot to take in it's a lot to take in maybe they just show like a clip of bill and ted they just throw that on the screen i'm sure they have the rights to it but i think you. But I think you can somehow do it with Tony Stark explaining it to Nebula. If that's what's really happening, if the time stone appears for Tony Stark on Titan, he'll be with Nebula.
Starting point is 01:00:12 She's the only other one that survived with him. If he puts it together and explains briefly like, oh my god, Doctor Strange sent this forward into a time paradox. It's a lot for this universe. It's a lot for kids to take in. It's a kid's movie. It's a kid's movie at the end of the day but i think it's possible so tell me what theory you have brought to the table to discuss one of your theories that you've brought to discuss i'm sure it wasn't as lengthy as that one because oh my god i need a glass of water after that take it away clem my My theory just says contracts.
Starting point is 01:00:46 And it just is the guys without the contracts are going to die. That was – Oh, that's a good one. The actors without the contracts. Yeah. So who do we have – whose contract is up? We know Chris Evans said he's done with – So Chris Evans, Captain America, is done.
Starting point is 01:01:01 Yeah. So he's done. Now is Robert Downey Jr.? I believe that's unclear. So I think Robert Downey Jr America is done. So he's done. Now is Robert Downey Jr.? I believe that's unclear. So I think Robert Downey Jr. is done. I think out of all the old school Avengers, I think they're all gone. Here, let's get into it right now because we've also gathered some death pools. Yep.
Starting point is 01:01:17 So in my death pool, I put five down, starting with who I think is most likely to die, ending with someone that I still think is going to die, but maybe not as likely. Thanos is my number one. I'm including him. I think the Avengers have to kill Thanos in this movie. Being everything he did to the Avengers, how hated he is by the general public,
Starting point is 01:01:35 I think you've got to chop that motherfucker's head off. Damn. I mean, that's the one thing is in these old comic movies, I feel like the guys never died. Either they go to jail. Magneto would just... They do the old Darth Vader spinning out into space in the TIE fighter. Perfect way to put it.
Starting point is 01:01:48 Damn, I don't want – I really don't want them to kill Thanos. However, Thanos has been such a specter over these movies and he's even been the guy who's had people doing bidding for him in Guardians movies and stuff like that. It would feel like if he goes after this, it would be the right way to go out. And they're saying they've got to put a bow on what they're calling the Infinity Saga, these 22 movies. I think you've got to kill Thanos, and you move on to intergalactic stuff with Galactus himself, because they now own him.
Starting point is 01:02:15 Yeah, they now own him. With the acquisition of Fantastic Four and X-Men. They now own Galactus. I think you focus on those characters. You focus on the Black Panthers, the Spider-Mans, the Captain Marvels, and that's your new team. The Kree, too. That was part of it. I'm not really a theory, but could the Kree be the new villains or one of the groups of villains that could be a thing?
Starting point is 01:02:34 Because a lot of this stuff is going to be in space. Not all of it, but if Captain Marvel is one of the big franchises they're going to be moving ahead with, and obviously Guardians is just making money dollar upon dollar. The Kree and some sort of space stuff, it feels like, because Thanos was kind of the one who was behind even the Avengers, obviously the invasion. A lot of stuff with the Guardians always came back to Thanos. Ronan even was the guy who he sent to get the orb. So there's a lot of stuff going around. So if Thanos goes, man, I'll tell you, I might be like you.
Starting point is 01:03:00 If Thanos dies, that's my guy. I want it to be as brutal as possible. I don't know who I want to kill him particularly because my second on the death pool this one I think is pretty much all but confirmed is Captain America is Chris Evans I think he's going to go out in the most
Starting point is 01:03:15 noble way possible sacrificing himself for the team he's minus 190 to die in the pool in Vegas or the spending site he's minus 190 oh no I or the spending site. He's minus 190. Oh, no. I'm sorry. That's no.
Starting point is 01:03:27 He's minus 190. He will not die. And then plus 145, he will die. Oh, wow. So he's actually not favored to die. I think he's gone. I think it's 100% gone. I'm going to go put a bet in.
Starting point is 01:03:37 I'm going to tell Mush to bet the no, too, so I can get the good luck. I do think there's a chance, a small chance, but a chance if he doesn't die, he's somehow sent back to the 40s where he could reunite with Peggy. That would be – Rob, that's kind of – that's really nice. That kind of like wore my soul. It's really nice. But this brings me to my second theory. This is the theory that I've been most excited about since Infinity War.
Starting point is 01:04:00 I mentioned it to you briefly earlier. I need Captain America wielding Thor's hammer. We know time travel is going to be involved. We know we're going to go back to the Battle of New York, likely, from what we've seen in the trailers. Thor will wield his Stormbreaker. That'll be his new weapon. I think it should be his new weapon. I think it's awesome.
Starting point is 01:04:18 It looks amazing. Chris Hemsworth with the short hair and the Stormbreaker. And it's close enough to a hammer. Yeah, it's a fucking axe. And as Rocket Raccoon would say, it's a a bit much but it's an axe i love it we saw an age of ultron everyone in the avengers try to pick up thor's hammer they all failed all but one captain america who did fail but he he made a budge a little bit and thor's face was kind of oh my god and if we want to call that checkoff's, you have to pay that off at some point.
Starting point is 01:04:46 So I think he was unable to lift the hammer because during Age of Ultron, he still knew the information that Bucky Barnes killed Iron Man's parents. And he was being dishonest about the fact that that was the case. To wield the hammer, you have to be noble. You have to be selfless. You have to be honest. You have to be all of the things that were explained in Thor 1 thor two even a little bit in ragnarok it's a very you have to be worthy that's the perfect word for it you have to be worthy you have to be the perfect human being of all sorts across all emotions boards morals everything the dude jumped on a grenade and he
Starting point is 01:05:19 still wasn't worthy just like you know on a grenade dude sacrificed his life for his country for the earth still Still wasn't worthy. I think that was the last thing. I think now that Tony Stark knows that information, I think that especially, especially Clem, that in Infinity War, when he was a mere mortal, a human being, and Thanos was walking through a bunch of superheroes to get that stone. He stood in front of Thanos. And he put... Look at my arms. Chills.
Starting point is 01:05:48 My goosebumps have goosebumps. Literally. He put his arm out and he stopped Thanos. He stopped him for a second. And Thanos had this face like, how are you doing this? And I believe it's because there's something supernatural going on because he is now worthy. He is as worthy as Thor has ever been. And when they go back in time and Thor already has a weapon, that motherfucking hammer is going to fly into Captain America's hands.
Starting point is 01:06:10 And he's going to go into battle, shield on one arm, hammer on the other. And it will be the greatest moment in cinematic history when he, looking like that, says, Avengers, assemble. Oh, my God, Clem. I just came my pants saying it. I'll tell you, man. The high watermark for these movies for me is when Thor comes into Wakanda. I've watched that scene a thousand times in like the last three months even. Forget about, you know, like the last since the movie came out.
Starting point is 01:06:37 That's my go-to movie. Whenever I'm doing something, need to put something on in the background, throw on Infinity War. There's not a scene in that movie that I ever want to skip that ever gets boring every scene nails it for me but every time when i get to that i get chills i cheer in my apartment i actually my last tattoo my animal tattoo i washed infinity war while i was done my artist jay hernandez shout out jay hernandez has a tv in a studio and with netflix all that he said babe throw whatever you want i said all right infinity war of course and when that happened i was like hey bro you're gonna have to stop for a sec because i'm gonna get chills it's gonna be a whole thing i was like we just gotta watch thor arrive on wakanda when we get back to it yeah
Starting point is 01:07:12 even when the distress signal signal comes out in the game like i want to hear the distress signal it's like it triggers me i getting a boner i'm like oh my god like it's fucking like people are dying but it's like oh it's not not to relate this back to star wars again it's straight up the opening of a new hope yes everything about it is the opening of a new hope in the best way possible down to the big bad guy choking the life out of somebody like it is the perfect russo brothers tribute to a new hope you got another theory for us uh this theory you blogged and i'm so mad you blogged because i i knew about it and i was like you know i put it i wrote about it in the blog i made a mention to it.
Starting point is 01:07:45 But I mean, how do you not do this here with a straight face? Ant-Man gets small. He finds a way to get up Thanos' ass. And then he turns giant to kill Thanos. Amazing. And it would work. It would absolutely work. I would love to see the scene where they've thought of it.
Starting point is 01:08:01 And they're like, we've got to find Scott Lang. Is he alive? We don't think he is. He's missing man if scott lang was here we could definitely find a way to get him up thanos's asshole and he shows up with that quantum realm van he's like hey guys i got the quantum realm and they're like we have a better idea we don't need the quantum realm throw the truck in the trash what you're gonna do is you're gonna shrink down climb up his asshole and he's like wait a minute what what are we doing here it So he can't climb in his ear, his nostrils.
Starting point is 01:08:26 I can see they cut the scene and then you start back and Paul Rudd goes, what? What am I doing? And that just, the theater erupts. I mean, it has to at least be thrown out. I mean, they've even asked Paul Rudd himself about it. It's become like the internet's favorite theory of like the internet has almost banded together as an Avengers of their own. Like, guys, we got the way to defeat thanos if headman doesn't go up thanos's ass end game is going to be a disappointment for
Starting point is 01:08:50 me like that's the way it's going right now to make some kind of joke about it like like is this really the only way everyone's nervous about it and then like steve rogers looks at scott scott lying he's like unless you have another idea something like that and he's like no no all right we'll go to the quantum realm uh We'll go to the Quantum Realm. That was the third theory I had as well. And to continue the death pool, after Captain America, I put down Tony Stark. I think there's a decent chance that Tony Stark completing his character arc over the last 11 years, which, if this is the case, would make it the greatest character arc for me in cinematic history. And I'm using no hyperbole no exaggeration i think tony stark going from the
Starting point is 01:09:25 most selfish arrogant egotistical billionaire playboy in the world sacrificing himself for peter parker someone that he sees his son in and sacrificing himself for pepper pots someone that he loves would complete that arc and make it the greatest ever i think there's a chance he sacrifices himself to get spider-man back well i got bad news for people like me who are in the Iron Man fam. Yes is minus 220. I thought that it was the opposite. I thought Captain America was the favorite to die. I am not happy.
Starting point is 01:09:55 I still think he's the favorite to go, even if they do that Peggy thing. I think Captain America will be done after this. Chris Evans is Captain America. Yes, for sure. He'll be done. He'll be sent safely back. Your guy's going safely back to the fucking meet up with his love of his life. Or my guy's dying.
Starting point is 01:10:10 Fucking Pepper's going to probably have to be pregnant. And she's going to have no father to raise that kid, Bob. Oh, my God. Imagine she's pregnant and they, like, name the kid Tony or something. That's only the kind of sick, twisted shit George R.R. Martin comes up with. I don't think even Marvel can come up with something like that. Stanley would never allow that to happen this would explain iron man dying would sort of explain why peter parker does not bring his his why peter parker does not bring his spider-man suit to europe on his field trip
Starting point is 01:10:34 from far from home where he's kind of like dude right now i'm devastated and i want to get away from this superhero shit for a second because i'm a high school i'm a kid in high school and i'm not ready for this that's like i said barcelona like listen i'm just i'm not bringing the laptop out with me like i've been in the fucking grind i've been in the fucking muck for too long night to myself please nothing happened that would and then it's like conor mcgurk gets arrested or something it's like always those nights literally for peter parker it's oh my god the the eternals are here whatever it is you know Whatever is his villain in that. And then I have Hawkeye slash Ronan.
Starting point is 01:11:07 He's going by both names in this. I think there's a chance he goes. I think he's definitely back because his family went. I think everyone's pretty much dead set on that. I could not hate Hawkeye more. I don't know. Really? I'm not a huge Hawkeye stan, but I enjoy Jeremy Renner as an actor.
Starting point is 01:11:22 I think Jeremy Renner is good. I think that helps my enjoyment of Hawkeye. People are clowning on him for his haircut and his tats in this one. I think his haircut and tats look awesome. I don't know what that says about me. You're a tat guy. You're a bad guy. You're a bad boy now.
Starting point is 01:11:33 Maybe I'm just like with him. Like, yeah, we all got bad tats. We love it. But I can see him being the one to kill Thanos as well. He's got that new sword. That would piss me off, Ronan. So much. If Hawkeye kills, and I'm not calling him Ronan.
Starting point is 01:11:47 Just because, don't, fucking, your mama needs you, Clay. I'm going to call you Clay. Your mama needs you, Hawkeye. I'm going to call you Hawkeye. He kills Thanos. See, now I'm getting worried about this movie because I think I'm going to, there's a chance I may not like Endgame now. I could live with Thanos dying.
Starting point is 01:12:03 You've got to get killed by Iron Man. You've got to get killed by Gamora. I've got to get killed by Gamora if she comes back. Thor would be the most crowd-pleasing one. Thor with Stormbreaker aiming for the head. And he said, I'm going to kill you. And he said it from the beginning. He almost got him the first time. Yeah, I could live with Thor.
Starting point is 01:12:18 Hawkeye. I said it's like we're at the point now with the superheroes that are left. It's like the Pro Bowl when half the people say, nope, I'm either in the Super Bowl or I have this quote-unquote knee injury that I need to get surgery on. And it's like you have fucking Andy Dalton. That's who the fucking Hawkeye is. He's Andy Dalton. I don't know if the nerds are listening to this. Yeah, they're like, what the fuck are you talking about, Andy Dalton?
Starting point is 01:12:37 This is Barstool, not Barstool's face. Related to Star Wars again. I don't know how, guys. I don't know how. Next on my death pool, another person that I can very much see being the one to kill Thanos. She's the one to kill him in the comic. It's Nebula. Yep.
Starting point is 01:12:51 I could see Nebula being the one tortured by Thanos, the one that went after Thanos at the end of Guardians 2, the one that is his daughter. There's a chance she kills him. I think a small chance I think there's a greater chance that she dies helping the Avengers much like Tony Stark completing a character arc someone that initially hated them fought them
Starting point is 01:13:10 joined up with them and sacrificed her life for them and every time we're on screen you're like come on Nebula just shut the fuck up
Starting point is 01:13:15 I like Nebula but sometimes it's just like shut up I like Nebula and I love Karen Gillan the actress
Starting point is 01:13:21 if you're listening to this which you're probably not but if you know Karen Gillan tell her I said sup because I'm a big fan. You know what I mean? Let me tell you.
Starting point is 01:13:28 I didn't know who Nebula was. And I said, you know, I'm going to look up who that was. And then I realized she's the redhead from the new Jumanji. And I said, oh, I am madly in love with Nebula. I just realized. She shaved her head for the first Guardians. And she was only filming for like eight days. That's a fucking ride or die chick right there.
Starting point is 01:13:44 She's committed to the MCU, loves the MCU, which pretty much everyone in this cast is. Everyone in the Avengers cast, it reminds me of the Star Wars cast, specifically the new Star Wars cast. They're so passionate about the content that they're making that as nerds, that's what makes me cry. When people get on stage at Star Wars Celebration and they're like, Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau
Starting point is 01:14:03 are talking about the Mandalorian and how much they love Star Wars and they're looking out to the crowd and saying guys, I promise you, we care about this as much as you do. Knowing that it's in good hands, that's what makes me cry and get emotional because I'm like, man that's the case and that's how the Russo brothers are specifically about
Starting point is 01:14:20 Marvel and how Kevin Feige is. So Endgame, it's a tough landing to stick. It it's a tough landing to stick. It's a really tough landing to stick. I'm going to put it right out there now. Maybe a hot take, maybe not. They will stick the landing and people will leave Endgame mind
Starting point is 01:14:36 blown at what they saw with the most satisfying conclusion of all time. Maybe a little bittersweet if we see some heroes perish, which I think we will. But this movie is going to win the Oscar for most popular Conclusion of all time. Maybe a little bittersweet if we see some heroes perish, which I think we will. But this movie is going to win the Oscar for most popular movie at the Oscars. It's going to be the first year it's available. Really?
Starting point is 01:14:52 Is that really a thing? Yep. The Oscars, the Academy is adding a most popular movie. They're trying to get ratings up by basically being like, hey, the movies that you guys saw, we'll give an Oscar for the best of those. Yeah, the movies you guys care about. Here we go. I think this will win the Academy Award. Infinity War should have won it last year. have got the nomination over black panther for just a hundred percent agree so mad about that and if you want to throw another superhero movie
Starting point is 01:15:11 in there into the spider-verse should have got it over black panther as well which i don't think you've seen i haven't seen yet we're waiting for the daughter to see it it is phenomenal but end game that's those are my main like end game predictions hopes i i want to see avengers assemble i want to hear avengers assemble said by Captain America himself. We've never heard it across 22 movies. We've never heard it. They're really edging me off here. Yeah, this is an edge.
Starting point is 01:15:33 It's a little edge. It's complete edging. They even tease it at the Age of Ultron. He's like, Avengers. Yeah. And you're like, motherfucker. So I like that, though, too, because it's like they're acknowledging that it's a thing, which obviously makes you feel like it has to be done.
Starting point is 01:15:46 And the patience on them to be like, oh, we'll hit it. We'll hit it at the right time. Oh, it's going to be such a good – These motherfuckers are so cocky. I'll give you a guess here. They're not going to be able to say it until the Hulk comes and then it's going to say, all right, now the big boys here, Avengers assemble. We are assuming he's going to be Professor Hulk, which I don't know if you know about Professor Hulk in the comics, but he's basically the Hulk with Bruce Banner's brain. Now that is a game changer right there. Game changer.
Starting point is 01:16:14 Absolute game changer because now the Hulk is no longer just a wrecking machine. He is a brilliant wrecking machine, like the most tactical maybe maybe the smartest of all the avengers he's my guy from jeopardy james holzhouser who puts up fucking a hundred thousand every night because he's smart but he's fucking tactical he is him tony stark and vision probably the and dr strange you would have to throw in kind of an all-knowing kind of a cheat with dr strange but he gets thrown in there professor hulk being in there iron man being in there everyone with the quantum realm suits which are fire by the way I ordered like a Quantum Realm hoodie
Starting point is 01:16:47 My nephew's got Quantum Realm pajamas That looks like this suit Neither of us could take them off Bob lives the expression What's the disposable income Like that's your life You just have an infinity fucking hoodie I'm paying for houses, houses cars baby food and you just
Starting point is 01:17:07 got yourself a quantum realm hoodie i love it and erica nardini god bless their souls gave a child an adult salary and i just can't stop buying toys with it it's a good way to my mom called me while i was at star wars celebration she's like did you pack a big enough to suitcase to bring all your toys home she's like i assume you bought a lot of toys there and i was like i bought a few toys mom all right get off my case mom what we're trying to get across here me and clem both are the biggest nerds that there could possibly be basically maybe me a little more than you but i'm gonna put you on my level to make me feel better i ride i ride with you robbie an end game is the culmination of a nerd's life. Like this is insane. The magnitude, the scale of this movie.
Starting point is 01:17:50 And I can't wait. You're going to join me. I hope to do an Endgame recap next Monday. For sure. Next week we will discuss everything that needs to be discussed. So please see it before then. Not only for that but because people are going to be talking about it. It's going to be as cultural a movement as Infinity War was where a week after infinity war everyone in the world knew what you
Starting point is 01:18:09 meant by thanos snap everyone knew it was okay half the universe is gone the memes are going to be everywhere i remember it wasn't even um all the like different references i can't believe when this happened that happened it's like there's gonna be a playoff game that night nba playoffs and there's gonna they're gonna be relating it to whatever whatever Thanos does with a snap or whatever it may be. You're going to see GIFs. You're going to see pictures. You're going to have references. It's a phenomenon.
Starting point is 01:18:31 This stat I still cannot believe. I don't know what the stat is now. The tickets, the advance tickets for Endgame were double the amount of tickets sold for Infinity War, Last Jedi, Captain Marvel, and Aquaman combined. I don't understand. I don't understand. If you take Last Jedi out of Marvel, and Aquaman combined. I don't understand. I don't understand. You take Last Jedi out of it, I'd say still no. Infinity War and Captain Marvel would. But you throw a Star Wars movie that was, I mean, when it's like,
Starting point is 01:18:55 The Last Jedi was maybe the most hyped I've ever seen Star Wars fans for a movie because The Force Awakens was a pretty good landing, and we were told it was going to be an empire, so then we're going into a whole other level, and they doubled it. It's preposterous, and it's the only movie I've ever seen in my life where people were having trouble getting tickets to it. Still, people are having issues getting a ticket to a movie, which is like, how is that even possible? Fandango was like our website basically by the end of it. It was like old Biz Pete was running the internet for fucking Fandango.
Starting point is 01:19:25 Guys, there's not enough movie theaters in the world for people to all see this movie in. It's crazy. There's a popcorn shortage. I heard there's no more popcorn already sold out for this movie. Oh, my God. They're selling on the second market, by the way, for like high prices. Yes. Like random tickets like $200 for like a Friday night.
Starting point is 01:19:40 Aisle seats are like more. It's so ridiculous. There's like a stub up for movie seats. But the theater on opening night is gonna be amazing even the theater when you see it friday morning is gonna be amazing because i'm sure it's gonna be sold out people cheering at all the best moments when people show up they'll get cheers when people die they'll get you know uh cries it's three hour movie people will piss themselves to not miss a second of it. I know I will. I'm in a problem. I piss during Infinity War.
Starting point is 01:20:07 Catheter? Catheter, yes. I'll get one of those installed into my dick for Endgame. I swear to God. I'm holding it to it. This is Barstool. You say that? Oh, my God.
Starting point is 01:20:13 Get a catheter, shove right up there. Spider. Order Bob a catheter now. Oh, my God, yeah. We'll do it because I can't miss a second of Endgame. I'm sure it's a movie that I'm going to see multiple times in theaters, even if it sucks, which I don't think it will suck. Over or under 85% on Rotten Tomatoes.
Starting point is 01:20:28 Over. Hammer the over. I don't know what Infinity War was on Rotten Tomatoes. I don't. Let's check it real quick. I'm going to guess 87. I think we'll go prices right rules. I think you're right. 89. I'll go 89.
Starting point is 01:20:44 I'll go 90, so we have that little wiggle I'll guess out. 89. I'll go 89. Okay. You know, I'll go 90. So we have that little wiggle room for you there. All right. 85. 85. We both went over. No one wins the showcase. We both went over.
Starting point is 01:20:51 We didn't get the showcase. But the audience said 91. All right. So we'll give that to you. The audience said 91. That's all that really matters. If you add them together, I think it's probably around 88. So we're all winners here on My Mom's Basement.
Starting point is 01:21:02 We are. And thank you so much for listening to this long-ass Avengers Endgame pregame show. We said we were going to keep it short. Once we start talking comics, you just can't keep it short. It's impossible. Two nerds. 22-movie, 11-year thing to cover. You just can't do that.
Starting point is 01:21:16 This is why this is such a special moment because it's literally an entire saga. The Skywalker saga took a billion years, but it was only nine movies right where this is and if they stick the landing i would say the infinity saga would have to be undoubtedly the greatest movie franchise of all time correct in terms of sheer volume you know you could say lord of the rings a lot of people like those movies i hate those movies it's a bunch of walking it's a bunch of bullshit star wars will always be my number one will always be my number one, will always be my favorite. But 22 movies we're talking. That's insane. They all thread together. They all link together perfectly.
Starting point is 01:21:50 It's crazy. It turned Marvel into the powerhouse it is now because think about where Marvel was before this happened to where it is now. And now it's part of Disney, which is like its own Infinity Gauntlet in itself in terms of all the property. I mean everything we've talked about is all owned by Disney. It's cool to like superhero movies. It's cool to like superhero movies. It's cool to like superhero movies. They've done it. Like Marvel played as big a factor in that becoming a reality as anybody, more so maybe than even like Christopher Nolan with his three Batman movies because Marvel just keeps cranking them out and they just keep delivering.
Starting point is 01:22:18 It's crazy. I will say this, and I don't know. I don't need to be negative. I will say I'm tempering my expectations because I honestly loved Infinity War so much. I don't understand how they could make me love it more. But that is also someone that – I mean I think I tweeted. I was like, let's just pump the – because I saw the hype after the trailer came out for Infinity War. I remember being like, let's pump the brakes here because I don't know if they can get all those characters.
Starting point is 01:22:40 And they did it absolutely flawlessly. Which, by the way, we haven't mentioned this name on the podcast but we gotta give a special special special shout out to James Gunn who wrote a lot of the Guardian scenes in Infinity War he wrote almost all of those scenes I believe the dialogue at least he got bullet points
Starting point is 01:22:58 I'm sure of what to hit on but he wrote and directed both Guardians movies and he's back for Guardians 3 the greatest news in the world. Did he do this? Is he going to be involved with this as well? He was because they filmed this before all that stuff went down. Infinity War.
Starting point is 01:23:11 That's right. That's right. Yep. So I'm sure he had a huge role in any scene involving Rocket Raccoon or if the Guardians come back, which, praying to God, they do. Of course. He will be involved in that. Awesome. Awesome news that he's back congratulations to james
Starting point is 01:23:27 gone thank you to dave batista who led the charge being my god i will not come back if james gunn isn't back and i'm making all the guardians sign a paper that says that they won't either like dave batista you're the fucking man fucking man but thank you for listening to this avengers endgame show it has been an amazing year of speculation. That's one of the greatest things of being a nerd is speculating about what's going to happen in a movie, in a comic book, in a video game. Anything nerdy with other nerds. Like it's my favorite part of Star Wars. That's why Star Wars Celebration is such a special place.
Starting point is 01:23:58 You watch the trailer and the next few days you just keep talking. What does the title mean? What is the Emperor going to do? Is he going to be back for real? Is he not? We've had that for a year in between Infinity War and Endgame. It was the perfect amount of time. It felt like a long time after Infinity War was over.
Starting point is 01:24:11 Like we've got to wait a year for this. A whole year. But we got – it feels like it was yesterday, Infinity War. You snapped. You're Team Thanos. I'm not Team Thanos. We will see on the theater on Thursday night who prevails? Earth's Mightiest Heroes or Thanos? The universe's mightiest hero, Thanos.
Starting point is 01:24:27 We're going to cut your fucking head off, Clem. Cut your fucking head off. I can't wait to see it. Thank you for joining me. You can follow Clem on Twitter, at TheClemReport. He's on every podcast in the world and Barstool, as we discussed last week.
Starting point is 01:24:39 This guy is just a marathon man. We have a Mets podcast. Remember I told you there was a new one coming? It was the Mets podcast. You teased that. Yeah, we had a little teaser trail in my mom's basement and it's delivered i'm only i'm only breaking news on my mom's basement if i have any personal news if i ever have a kid god forbid
Starting point is 01:24:52 i'm gonna announce it on here instead of my father you're welcome anytime we'll see you next week

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