My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 66 - WHAT IF?'S WITH CLEM

Episode Date: June 22, 2020

Clem returns to the Basement yet again to discuss some planned movies that never came to fruition, wrestling video games, getting Miles Morales into the MCU, and more.You can find every episode of thi...s show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mymomsbasement

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, My Mom's Basement listeners, you can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Always happy to be in the basement, Bob. Always happy to be in the basement. Get some free-flowing conversations here. Don't know where we're going to go. I actually got into a... I don't know if the word is fight, but I got into a little bit of a... It was like a debate, I guess you could say. We were embracing debate. And you might be a little young for this still, but I think you might have been in it. So I want to get your opinion on this.
Starting point is 00:00:32 Okay. No quitters. It was my MTV The Challenge podcast. Anyone who watches The Challenge, go subscribe to that. We had, we were talking about The Offspring was being played. They played it like two of like the last four or five episodes they've had Offspring. And we, all of us old souls just go crazy. I love The Offspring was being played. They played it like two of like the last four or five episodes they've had Offspring. And we, all of us old souls just go crazy.
Starting point is 00:00:48 I love The Offspring. And who doesn't love The Offspring? If you don't like The Offspring, you're an awesome. I'm down with it. So I said how it reminded me of Crazy Taxi because they were like the soundtrack to it. And I said that Dreamcast, Sega Dreamcast, and I kind of started waxing poetic about Sega Dreamcast,
Starting point is 00:01:06 and then I was basically shot down immediately saying Sega Dreamcast sucked. Now, you were probably a little young when Dreamcast was in its heyday, but do you have an opinion or a take about Sega Dreamcast at all? I don't, sadly, because I missed out on it completely. I had a Sega growing up. My brothers like hand-meme-down Sega where I could play Mortal Kombat and Aladdin and The Lion King or whatever. And then I moved straight to his hand-me-down PS1. So I skipped over the Dreamcast. Yep. So yeah, okay. That's fair enough.
Starting point is 00:01:34 Dreamcast, I feel like it's forgotten. But I think it had a big part of the innovation and I think I thought history remembers it kindly. I was getting like fucking lambasted for that. What were the other systems at the time when that was out? Was that like Nintendo 64?
Starting point is 00:01:49 So that's the thing is like, that was in the time where it was like 64 and PlayStation one and like all that stuff. It was kind of in the, in the midst of all that. I also think it takes some shrapnel from Sega Saturn being a complete positive game system. Sega Saturn was before or after that
Starting point is 00:02:05 before it was before and then there was some GameCube is better than Dreamcast talk which I think GameCube kind of gets a little bit of a tough uh it's like it's not a great system and it's easily the worst of Nintendo's like recent ones we had in the Wii not the Wii the Wii and the Switch which is obviously blowing up now, but like Rogue Squadron was fucking awesome on that system it had some high highs, you know so, I thought it might be a little young for you, but I had to throw it out there
Starting point is 00:02:34 I just wanted you to agree with me I mean, it's the perfect show for you to bring it up on, I'm glad you did, like a little video game talk early on, we just, I just went into the city this past week to pick up my old ps3 because luke is sort of getting my nephew luke is sort of getting into wrestling so he wanted to play a wrestling video game the last few wrestling video games have just been dog shit like they made them
Starting point is 00:02:56 so realistic to the point where like if you play as a heavier wrestler and you take one bump it's going to take you 20 minutes to get off the ground it is crazy how boring they are so we were like fuck it brother ordered wwe 2k14 off ebay which is our favorite of like the it's sort of the ncaa 14 you know loves that game i guess nothing came after it which is makes that a little different but god i put so many hours into that game in 2013 that's insane is that is that the last 2K that they did? And did they switch licenses after that with WWE? No, so that was the last one before 2K took over. When 2K took over, it kind of like went downhill,
Starting point is 00:03:36 and they now have canceled the entire thing. They're like, listen, we're going to go back to the drawing board, basically. I think they should probably reboot SmackDown vs. Raw. Just out of pure nostalgia, like that that title i think will get people in or obviously if you call a game no mercy you do like the star wars battlefront thing you know what i mean and then you just hey wwe no mercy i have such like warm feelings just thinking about no mercy wrestlemania 2000 uh and wcw nwo revenge oh yeah those things like i'm sure that uh you had like the r and l and the little z button underneath on 64 but it was like two button system and it's all
Starting point is 00:04:11 you needed with wrestling but it was fun you got to be your guys it had the moves it had like the taunts and stuff like that like wrestling you know obviously you know guys like you who get into the graphs there's a whole bunch of stuff that you could have but like big old idiots like me who just like uh-huh i could do the sucking sign stuff that you can have. But like big old idiots like me who just like, I could do the suck it sign. Like that's what wrestling's all about. No, but even like the wrestling fans, hardcore wrestling fans, we all prefer like that style, like the more arcade style. We don't want to have it look like a real wrestling match.
Starting point is 00:04:38 We want to be able to have you throw me off the top of the hell in the cell and me be able to get up and still win the match. Like just ridiculous shit like that, you know? Like I remember SmackDown Shut Your Mouth is of the hell in the cell and me be able to get up and still win the match. Like just ridiculous shit like that. You know, like I remember SmackDown shut your mouth is my favorite back in the day. I remember when SmackDown had that big fist. It was like a big silver fist stage. You were able to climb on top of that and jump off of it. And like that, here comes the pain.
Starting point is 00:04:58 You were able to go out into Penn Station and Madison Square Garden and like get on a subway. Just give me the most ridiculous shit make it so I could create a wrestler that looks like Gene Simmons you know like everything like that I don't want it to look like a real wrestling match where we bump and then it's like you sell the move for a long time on the ground and can you get back up to your feet I don't want that shit give me the give me the button smashers I mean we're kind of getting I mean you know Barstool obviously has grown and it's blown up and it's hitting this thing that, I mean, I can't believe it's all happening this quickly.
Starting point is 00:05:30 Now we have the hooligans out there. We're making some inroads in the video game industry. Barstool fucking SmackDown or Barstool, you know. Oh, my God. Could you imagine? And all of our dumb faces in the game. And it's just like, you know, obviously we don't have all our signature moves like wrestlers do,
Starting point is 00:05:44 but it would just be the most basic but fun gameplay and you could fucking that would just be a ball i would be incredible we all have our own taunt signature moves dave's doing the pile driver obviously i mean everyone could have their own things it would be so fucking funny though even if someone created us i know billy football created a bunch of people in the ufc game if someone created us in one of those old school wrestling games and put on a stream, that would be very entertaining to watch. People make mods for No Mercy still to this day. Really?
Starting point is 00:06:14 Through the emulators, because people consider that the GOAT, that and NWO, WCW, Revenge, I think that Here Comes the Pain is another big one that I mentioned. But people make mods, like new superstars to put into no mercy like cool shit like that people love the move animation they're like it's more fluid and no mercy than even the new games because i guess the new games did the mocap and that was a whole thing but yeah i don't know that was i was talking wrestling video game i said this was more free-flowing last week i had ria and tren on and we were just kind of bullshitting the whole time people seemed to like it so i was like all right structure we'll throw it out i prepared some stuff for later but who cares it's quarantine we're all going crazy we
Starting point is 00:06:55 are i said i i i don't know who the fuck is in the same boat and i think we're all in the same boat yeah we're all in our own little boat like little boats in this fucking crazy quarantine i feel like i have fucking worms in my brain these days there's no other way i can describe it i'm like cloudy like the whole day it's crazy yeah exactly i'm in this weird spot and i it's good to know like everyone is in the same kind of boat even if everyone's experience is total different obviously i have kids i'm chasing around you're at your mom's house everyone's kind of in Yeah, I'm not even doing anything. Like, you actually have things where it's like I could see why you would be tired all day. I'm just, like, sitting here and smoking weed.
Starting point is 00:07:33 Fuck, man. I got to get a 64 going and get some fucking old wrestling games back on. I think that's the thing that will kind of bring us back to normalcy. Yeah, really. You want to talk about stool hooligans, you and me in the tag team division. That would be kind of sick i know they're re-releasing um tony hawk's pro skater one and two they like read all the graphics and shit i was like oh that that's how you could get me on the hooligans right there let's get a skate squad i was so when that came out i was gonna blog about i was gonna say like is there a game that you're like i want a reboot like a modern day reboot of like an old school game or
Starting point is 00:08:07 is that your would that be your number one choice is tony hawk see that the tony hawk games that i grew up with weren't even pro skater was the underground games which were like first gen xbox and ps2 i think pro skater was more early ps2 maybe even ps1 i don't even know i'll play the new one but it would be the actual Battlefront 2. I know they have a new Battlefront 2, but if you just took that exact game and did the new graphics for it, that would be the one.
Starting point is 00:08:33 It's either that or No Mercy. I think No Mercy is my pick too. I love my favorite game ever just because it's such a fun, carefree game and the characters are so crazy is Punch-Out!! I love the first Mike Tyson's Punch-Out. But they've kind of like, they did it for Super. They did it even for the Wii that I bought
Starting point is 00:08:51 and I kind of just lost interest in it. So I guess it's kind of technically been done. And even Mike Tyson said he wants to make a new game. Did you see that? He wants to make a Punch-Out to promote his dispensary or whatever, which I mean, shit, like if you're Mike Tyson, throw it in there it's like that's it's almost seems like his guy given right he should be able to make a punch out whenever the fuck mike tyson wants to make a punch out right definitely and the graphics don't even need to be like amazing but if you just had an updated like
Starting point is 00:09:17 if you had xbox one generation graphics on punch out that was a good game a good playable like the original like an addictive simple straightforward game that'd be a lot of fun yeah i that so that those are kind of the two things i would choose but um it's crazy like those those old school wrestling games it's basically 100 approval rating um what was it uh that uh wwe's 90s you know you can follow them with that oh Oh yeah. It's, it's one of my favorites easily. It's probably top five in terms of like every time they tweet something,
Starting point is 00:09:49 it just instantly hits. And, uh, there was, what was the first, was it WDF attitude that it was, it was something. Oh yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:57 With like the red, uh, color on it. Yes. Yup. And who did the Pearl river plunge? I met Johnson. Yes. Yes. Yeah. So it too. Who did the Pearl River Plunge? Ahmed Johnson? Yes.
Starting point is 00:10:05 Yes, yeah. So it's like guys like that where it was a little even before I had gotten really into the WWF because I missed his whole run as like a main carter or whatever. Just seeing that kind of stuff. I could hear the music. I could hear the songs. I know like the 8-bit versions of the themes and everything.
Starting point is 00:10:22 That was amazing. Like it sounded like sonic the hedgehog but wwf yes yes another one too that that i i want remade with modern day like the switch f zero it was a super nintendo game um it was like these like futuristic cars and they would like float you can kind of use some of them in mario kart they have like the cart the cart selectable um and you probably can in super smash brothers i think some of the characters are in there too it was a really good game that i felt was ahead of its time it just never really caught on so i think there'd be a market for it these days but anything that's not mario kart racing games are just like lost to me you know what i mean now that you said that i actually
Starting point is 00:10:57 have two that just came to mind one being crimson skies did you ever play crimson skies no it was like a dog fighting game kind of like uh uh you know like we're throwing on the leather airplane helmet and the goggles and like old school you're going in the grand canyon it was cool and then mech assault which was you're just getting in big mech suits and everyone has different abilities walking around a city and it was xbox live like the early days of xbox live when everyone was just like throwing on their headsets and being friendly with each other because they were like how cool is this um but both of those games i think would be really cool two games that are coming out soon that are nerdy that i guess we could talk about insomniac is doing a sequel to their ps4 spider-man game which is now
Starting point is 00:11:38 going to be spider-man miles morales and what is it called? Rogue squadron. There's a new star squadrons. There's a new star Wars, a dog fighting game, which looks pretty damn cool. And it's only 40 bucks, which made me be like, Oh shit, cool.
Starting point is 00:11:54 They're like making an affordable game. And I think it's VR compatible, all that kind of stuff. The trailers for both of them looked sick. I saw somebody chopped in what's up danger with the miles Morales trailer. And it was amazing. Of course, with the miles morales trailer and it was amazing of course like throw that song behind anything and it's going to be amazing but yeah both of those games got unveiled like the trailers came out and i thought they both looked really
Starting point is 00:12:13 cool yeah um the squadrons one it was actually it was the uh like kind of a lot of the cut scenes announcement one of those kind of things or it's like where the hell's the gameplay because but then they dropped the gameplay today and i actually checked it out right before we jumped on and we've said this on the rewatches with the lights kind of barstool guys me and ken jack were big both x-wing and tie fighter which was kind of like the the old school version of that and i was i was cleaning i was in my parents house looking for something and i saw my old school controller my little like joystick you know or you like flight simulators and shit like that and i was like oh man like i can't believe this or you like flight simulators and shit like that. And I was like, Oh man,
Starting point is 00:12:46 like I can't believe this thing's back. And I'm like, shit. And I didn't know it was going to be 40 bucks. However, 40 bucks got me all excited about Fox who publishes the game. Oh man. EA. EA this is a fucking business switch. They're fucking mousetrapping my ass. I'm going to get it. I'm going to spend $400 by the time. It's going to be like, well, you got into the game.
Starting point is 00:13:07 Now you want to fucking, you want a Starship? Yeah, they're going to give you the jankiest looking A-Wing of all time. You're going to be like, oh, come on, really? You're going to make me pay for an X-Wing? The Spider-Man one looks sick too. And obviously that was during the whole PS5 release. Yeah. That'll be, I guess, one of the first games on that rollout.
Starting point is 00:13:30 Isn't that $800 I saw? Which is crazy. I saw $800 and then I saw $400 and I heard that they're both fake. So I think that it's just kind of like up in the air. I always expect these things to be like 100 to 150 dollars more than you would be willing to spend for like the first year and then you just wait for christmas of the following year is when you buy it for yourself you someone buy it for you i have realized now that i can now use the kids because sienna's a gamer i bet i i feel like aj will end up being
Starting point is 00:14:01 a gamer just on what he does so far we just hooked up the weed during quarantine so we brought the weed back into our lives um which is a ton of fun to play with kids and you just be like well sienna you know all the other kids have it honey you're gonna be a first grader next year but we can start using the kids you know for all the shit that they like put you through when you start using them as for excuses you want to do or things you want to get it's like probably the best thing. Other than like, like I always say, like the wonder through a children's eyes. Cool. And then being able to get like your own little things.
Starting point is 00:14:31 And like PS5 would be sick too, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Getting it the next year is usually better as well because you have like a larger selection of games to choose from. It's not just like the rollout games. There's less bugs in the system. You know, when it first comes out, there's always updates that take frigging forever. So yeah, I don't mind waiting another year for that.
Starting point is 00:14:47 And I also sort of just got a PS4. I've had an Xbox One forever, but Warzone is going to hold us over. Something Miles Morales related that will kind of transition us into our next topic though. I saw this tweet this week and I texted you about it right away. It was a tweet from this guy, Brandon Davis,
Starting point is 00:15:02 who we've done content with. He's done some Star Wars trivia stuff. He does comic book.com. And he said, how are they not rushing miles Morales into the MCU right now? And I don't know if it was the fact that I had just gotten in from smoking or that the quarantine is driving me crazy, but it got my creative juices flowing. And I was like, how can they get miles Morales into the mcu so i kind of laid out a plan i texted it to clem and he was like damn that's pretty good so i was like all right let's let's talk about it maybe expand on it in the podcast i'll say now if you haven't seen uh spider-man far from home or endgame or any of that one what are you doing where how far into the quarantine
Starting point is 00:15:41 you haven't caught up on the mcu like don't listen to a podcast called my mom's basement. If you haven't caught up on that. I mean, keep listening because I love you for sticking around and all that, but. And subscribe and five stars too. But we'll talk about spoilers. So if you don't want to be spoiled, skip forward in the timestamps, do whatever you got to do. My idea to get Miles Morales into the MCU. We saw at the end of far from home in the
Starting point is 00:16:05 post-credit scene that j jonah jameson revealed peter parker's identity to the world with the help of mysterio right he went on the side at madison square garden he was like it's peter parker and then peter was like what the fuck they cut away i think peter has to go into hiding it's like it's out there shit what are we gonna do and a new spider-man arises in new york city during that time maybe in brooklyn right because it's like the queens bro out there. Shit, what are we going to do? And a new Spider-Man arises in New York City during that time. Maybe in Brooklyn, right? Because it's like the Queens, Brooklyn thing. That would be kind of sick. And if you keep going further with it, you bring back Peter Parker at some point and you have them team up.
Starting point is 00:16:37 Who doesn't fucking love Miles Morales at this point? Whether you've seen Into the Spider-Verse or played the first Insomniac Spider-Man game, he's in that as well. He's got an awesome storyline involved. I think everyone's down with him. He's got cool powers as well. Like he could turn invisible. He's got the shock thing, whatever. I think you have them team up and then down the line in the future
Starting point is 00:16:55 when you have Sam Raimi possibly doing the next Doctor Strange movie, bring in the multiverse. You bring in Spider-Gwen played by Emma Stone. You bring in Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man. You bring in Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man. And what can you do to get people to go back to the theaters like it's Avengers again? You do fucking Spider-Verse versus the Sinister Six. You continue building that up.
Starting point is 00:17:21 You have six villains on one side, six Spider-Men slash women on the other side. And come on. My boy Bob is cheesing from fucking ear to ear right now. And when you did the multiverse, you did the little Dr. Strange thing with your hands in a circle. It was awesome. I love seeing the passion here. I think it works, man.
Starting point is 00:17:39 You know what? I honestly think the biggest problem that they would have, not Sony or whatever, and the i honestly think the biggest problem that they would have like not not that's that sony or whatever but like hypothetically a movie uh studio would have with the scenario like this is the lead actor i can see tom bomb being like let's fucking do it like let's get him let's get miles into the the spider verse for lack of a better term get him into the the movies um i think that could work i mean um it's so hard to like think of what the next whether it's the spider-man which obviously is on its own little island even though they're gonna have
Starting point is 00:18:10 marvel helping out or the next phase of marvel it's like all right when are we gonna get that next end game like when are we gonna get all the people coming back whether it's almost unfair that all these individual movies have to stand up on their own now after that um it's actually kind of good i guess the quarantine's giving us a little more time to kind of like the Black Widow movie coming. Did you see that thing about Black Widow going to Disneyland? No. Oh, wait. I saw that maybe they're going to show it to NBA players or something.
Starting point is 00:18:36 Yeah. They were going to exclusively, apparently like that's, I don't know if it's something that they're doing to kind of entice the, like the players are going to go no matter what, but they're like, kind of to make things, you know, transition. Cause if the players are going to go no matter what but it's like kind of to make things you know transition because if the families are going to be stuck in this bubble they're going to have any exclusive disneys that are like movies that are ready to go out but aren't going out to the general public until obviously everything's opening so they were going to say like um black widow um i don't know what other movies black widow was the one that
Starting point is 00:19:01 obviously because it was right around the corner so it'd be kind of cool for people to be able to see that before everyone else you know what I mean definitely and I don't know how a large-scale superhero movie would do like a obviously a Black Widow is going to make hundreds of millions of dollars at the box office it was going to be the first you know female-led produced directed everything I think movie in the MCU so obviously you get a big push from that maybe it would make a billion dollars at the box office, but I was looking at King of Staten Island, which I loved. I watched it twice.
Starting point is 00:19:29 I bought it. I thought it was very worth $20. And I was like, if that does super well, I wonder if there's any shot of Disney looking at it and being like, all right, fuck it. Let's,
Starting point is 00:19:39 let's release black widow because they have a whole rollout plan too. Right. Where black widow probably affects the MCU, probably affects a Disney plus show that they're looking to release, probably affects the next Disney plus show. What if this screws it up where they're like, all right, well, we have to put out Falcon and Winter Soldier, but we referenced something in Black Widow that's important there.
Starting point is 00:19:58 And then it's like, do you, do you get scrambled in that way? I just want them to release it. Like you have Black Widow and you're holding it from us. It's done. You have a done movie in the MCU and and we're just like no we're just gonna we're not gonna let you do it i don't care about the the theater experience for that one i said re-release infinity war and endgame when we're allowed to go back that'll be the way to get people to go back to the theaters get excited again right and also smash that fucking james cameron record yes just now we're gonna
Starting point is 00:20:25 start laughing james cameron run up the score blue fucks an avatar um and like there's a thing though if you like those nba players get it like jr smith isn't on the team but i said it when i blogged it jr smith is gonna spoil it for us if he gets i know he's gonna be the shady mccoy yeah exactly did you also i mean this isn't really breaking news, but this, I saw this got tweeted right before we started. Did you see what the AMC said? They're reopening like July 15th. And they're not requiring masks when they go in. Cause they don't want to be drawn into a political controversy. I'm not going to the movie theater if we're not required. I probably not.
Starting point is 00:20:59 I probably wouldn't be going for the movie theater for a little while anyway. Cause I might see Tenet. I might see Tenet. That while anyway. Cause I, yeah, I might see tenant. I might see tenant. That's the one where I'm like, I'll mask up. Um, but another thing, so we started talking about this and we were talking about how much we love
Starting point is 00:21:13 what ifs and like the, what if scenarios, the fantasy booking and the movies that were going to be made movies that wound up not being made movies. We talked about it all the time. You and me were texting just a few weeks ago about batman continues which was the third tim burton batman movie he wanted to get robin williams in as the riddler he wanted to get um who else was in the movie it was like a weird oh i guess michelle pfeiffer would have you know came back as catwoman
Starting point is 00:21:41 because they have the tease at the end of that where she looks out at the moon oh do you know, came back as Catwoman because they have the tease at the end of that where she looks out at the moon. Oh, do you know who, so Harvey Dent? Oh, of course. Harvey Dent was who we play, our guy, Billy Dee Williams. Billy Dee, Jeff Goldblum as Scarecrow. Oh, shit. Marlon Wayans as Robin, which is different. Jeff Daniels, I don't know who Jack Albert is. Who's Jack Albert?
Starting point is 00:22:04 I'm not sure. I mean, it can't be that important if fucking Bob Fox, Mr. Batman himself, doesn't know. Jennifer Connelly as Barbara Gordon. I don't hate that casting. Jack Nicholson coming back. No, I don't hate it one bit. It's actually, my biggest thing was, and I don't even see Robin Williams on here here so I don't know if this is a different thing and Robin Williams what he did and I know it's a as it's an animated role every time I watch or see anything with Aladdin if I just hear a song I'm like man that guy crushed the genie more than
Starting point is 00:22:37 like any role in the history of like movies and when I watched the Will Smith version of it I have never been so I'm a Will Smith guy I've never been so underwhelmed by anything in my entire life. I like it sad because he's just, I think Will Smith was even like, I'm not going to fucking touch this Robin Williams. It's similar to, we talked about Willy Wonka and that performance. It's like Gene Wilder did it so perfectly. And after we did it, Red Letter Media, who's like a movie review site that me and
Starting point is 00:23:05 jeff d lowe like a lot they did a video on the original and they talk about how every line gene wilder delivers in that movie can be taken completely sarcastically or you believe it true and true to the heart of it and how perfect that is and then how like johnny depp was a weird children's tv show host or something i don't. Like what he did was just horrible with it. So yeah, it's like, why would you even, why would you even attempt to go after the genie after Robin Williams did a, like a perfect game in terms of an, of an acting performance. This week's episode of the podcast is brought to you by 3Chi.
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Starting point is 00:25:15 That's the number 3chi.com. Let's get back to the podcast. But I have prepared a list of – I've actually got an article. I'll shout out to the guy that wrote it. It's on filmschoolrejects.com and his name is Kieran Fisher. It's 25 planned superhero movies that never wound up happening. And I scrolled through the list. I picked up some ones that I thought were interesting. I wrote down a little more about it, but just briefly, the honorable mentions I'll talk about, they were going to make an X-Men Origins Magneto before the horrible X-Men Origins Wolverine. A lot of that wound up going in first class, which makes sense. The Crow 2037, this was supposed to follow
Starting point is 00:25:58 up The Crow Stairway to Heaven, and it was going to be Rob Zombie's first movie. They tapped Rob Zombie to do it, which he kind of seems like the perfect guy to do a Crow movie, but it was going to be rob zombie's first movie they tapped rob zombie to do it which he kind of seems like the perfect guy to do a crow movie um but it was before he even did house of a thousand corpses i thought that was kind of interesting as well because that seems like it could work still to this day if you want to reboot the crow you could probably put rob zombie behind it i i never watched the crow um i never saw i've never seen it i kind of want to check it out it is worth watching i like it it's pretty cool i'll be honest with you when it first came out because i was alive obviously um and knew everything that had happened with brandon lee i was kind of like creeped out
Starting point is 00:26:33 i was like i don't know if i could watch this movie it just kind of like you know skeeved me out as a kid so um but i don't know much about it i think i know more about fucking sting than i do about the actual real life bro he was just like modeled on it. But I feel like the crow is one of those things. And I had no idea that, that they had ever thought about going ahead with it like that. But I feel like that would work perfectly with, it's almost like,
Starting point is 00:26:55 I feel like the world has caught up to the whole, like idea of the crow. You know what I mean? That's just the way it works. Definitely. Definitely. This one I thought was fascinating and I had never heard of this before. I don't know how I've never heard of it because it's so big.
Starting point is 00:27:08 But did you know, Clem, that before we got Black Panther, there was almost one made in 1992? No. Wow. Who was cast to be in it? Do you want to guess who was cast to be in it? It was a perfect casting, if you ask me, for the time at least. Wesley Snipes? Wesley Snipes. Wow! Right on the money, Clem. to be in it it was a perfect casting if you ask me for the time at least wesley snipes wesley snipes
Starting point is 00:27:26 wow right on the money clem right on the money he was killing it back then that was like wesley snipes i'm thinking because i was thinking willie mays hayes would be like that's the perfect dude you want to be fucking black panther fastest shit and you know straw i mean i guess willie mays was wrong but oh man yeah like demolition man it was a completely different movie though they said it was very very very focused on like african martial arts culture because i guess wesley snipes was like into that so they kind of i think they liked the idea of doing a superhero movie with wesley snipes but i don't think they went too far into the wakandan backstory of like t'challa and the actual black panther i could be wrong on that.
Starting point is 00:28:05 I only read a brief blurb about it, but that's what it seemed like. My kids are big Black Panther fans. Like when they play with the toys and stuff, like he just has a look about him, you know what I mean? That just strikes with kids. I didn't really know like Black Panther growing up all that much. I didn't know anything about Wakanda or anything like that. So it's kind of, I bet like back,
Starting point is 00:28:23 it's almost better that they didn't do it in 92 because it probably would i mean marvel was isn't close to what it was now and it might have you know if it flopped then you don't get the the current black panther which obviously crushed and when's black panther 2 like when was it supposed to come out i mean everything is like man i don't even know i think it was like 2022 i know during the quarantine i think beyonce got tapped to write a song for it so at least the ball's rolling on something in regards to black panther too i like hearing that like hey people are still making moves whatever it may be um another one i thought was kind of interesting david goyer who wrote uh not only blade trinity
Starting point is 00:29:01 but batman begins one of my favorite movies one of my favorite origin stories wrote a flash movie right after that in 2004, right after he wrote Batman begins, he wrote a movie, I guess to kickstart the flash and Ryan Reynolds was tapped to play the flash. But that got scrapped in around 2007. And I guess he went to green lantern, which yikes, but it had a happy ending and him getting Deadpool. Yeah. And that, that hurts when you see, like you said, I guess he went to green lantern which yikes but it had a happy ending and him getting deadpool yeah and that that hurts when you see and like you said i guess he it was like the worst
Starting point is 00:29:30 case scenario where flops are dc and then he goes and crushes it for a marvel franchise but i mean ryan reynolds is just not only is he just so fucking good and he's so funny but he's just like he embraces these roles and i guess that kind of goes with anyone who like cares about their character or goes kind of that neville next level and loves it i think that's the reason why you know people on barstool why people like us when we follow our beats because you can tell we are passionate when i'm reading a robbie fox ufc blog that's coming from the goddamn not only the heart the soul and the way ryan reynolds treats that character it's like if he has disney gives him anywhere near carp launch he's gonna crush it so oh man i it's just another example like the flash is like in terms of like
Starting point is 00:30:12 popular like just i don't know the word popularity but just how much you know them growing up just from like you know years in the past the flash is like up there with almost every marvel i didn't i knew more about the flash growing up than like iron man right he was like basically he was probably i probably knew more with the flash than fucking captain america it's just easy a guy who runs fast you can kind of just understand that and yet they've never even like tried to do anything with that character and then the fact they actually had like a perfect guy for it if they had you know gotten the script it's just dc being dc man they just did not get out of their own way or they just can never pull the trigger at the right time yeah so the next three movies i have are the ones that i kind of went deeper into and i've got plot details i've got the people that were tapped
Starting point is 00:30:54 to play these uh characters the people that were tapped to write direct whatever and i'll let you pick which one we go into first so i'll lay them out for you we've got batman versus superman asylum written in the early 2000s by the writer of seven andrew kevin walker james cameron's spider-man written in the early 90s which oh my god i didn't even realize that this guy you know went into the superhero game and then got out of it maybe he is like a real life super villain he's like you didn't let me make my spider-man so now i'll go after you and the third jack black's green lantern written in 2004 jesus christ uh i i guess we'll start with the with the oldest we'll start with cameron back in early 90s you said the early 90s yes so this was
Starting point is 00:31:46 a James Cameron project it might have been written by a guy named Menahem Golan everyone said so apparently they like the studio tapped him to write direct do everything and then James Cameron submitted a script that was like the identical to a script that this guy Golan submitted the year before so he who he worked, and they were like, oh, so you're just kind of signing, like you're co-signing this guy's work. Leonardo DiCaprio was tapped to play Spider-Man, Peter Parker, with Arnold Schwarzenegger
Starting point is 00:32:16 as Dr. Octopus, which seems pretty damn awesome. Robin Lively would play Mary Jane Parker. Michael Biehn would play Sandman jane parker michael bean would play a sandman and uh the story climaxed this is you know a bit sad whatever you may call it the story climaxed at the top of the world trade center being it was the early 90s where peter parker took his mask off and revealed his identity to mary jane parker they said this script was also heavy on profanity and featured spider-man and mary jane parker having sex on the brooklyn bridge damn fucking jimmy cameron getting fucking hot with it he was fucking going for it huh yeah for real man i'm looking up robin lively
Starting point is 00:32:58 because that name sounds familiar she's in karate kid three she's jessica and karate i looked her up earlier because the name sounded familiar to me as well. It looked like she did a lot of TV work. She was mostly known for her TV stuff. Yep, yep. But if anyone has watched Karate Kid 3, you'll remember her as like the redhead. She kind of does check out as Mary Jane. You know what's so fucked up is that when you say Arnold Schwarzenegger
Starting point is 00:33:22 supervillain movie, I think of Mr. Freeze. super villain movie i think of mr freeze yeah and it's so i mean it's so fucking bad like the like i i under like there's two ways you go that like those were so bad they were good but they were so bad they were awful you know what i mean and like that that movie in itself kind of just like it just just bums me out. And now every time I hear Arnold Schwarzenegger giving some sort of, you know, fucking supervillain soliloquy or something, I just think of chill out, be cool. So, man. So Doc Ock, and then who was, who was Sandman? Sandman was a guy named Michael Bean. I looked him up.
Starting point is 00:34:03 He's a guy that Jim James Cameron has used in everything. He was been in all the terminator movies he was in um what else he was in aliens he was in like he was one of these guys that james cameron just used in everything i will say and it involved like sandman uh being on the beach when a nuclear blast went off and stuff it actually sounded pretty cool i'm i'm happy with i mean this is the fucking early 90s but i that's one of the things about the current um spider-mans is i like how we're just not we don't keep going back to the green goblin that was that was one of the things that drove me crazy about x-men i fucking love magneto i think there's a you can make a case magneto is the greatest super villain in comic books yet that's all they fucking did forever it seemed was magneto and the x-men
Starting point is 00:34:45 the x-men have like awesome fucking villains the villains were some of my favorites i think that's what kind of drew me and kept me coming back was were guys like you know people like the juggernaut and hellfire club and you know um i mean the sentinels were cool too and they kind of but like and they kind of sprinkled a lot of them in throughout the uh the movies but it always came down to like magneteto flipping sides. It was like Cambridge undertaker. It's like, all right, every fucking time it drove me crazy. So I, I want to see, I mean, the Sandman was there pretty recently.
Starting point is 00:35:16 Who would be so the vulture they're saying the vulture might be in a future Spider-Man, right? Cause he, no, not the vulture. Vulture was yeah. He's Michael Keaton. Yeah. Who's the guy from Breaking Bad? Oh, Scorpion. Scorpion. Scorpion. Yes. Yes. So, so that, that'll probably be in the future. You would think if, if they bring it back, which I feel like they could, I'd love that actor too. I mean, a better call Saul.
Starting point is 00:35:39 I'm finishing up season five right now. Everyone told me to get into it. Oh shit. Nice. I'm going back into that um but i've i've i've wanted to be mark hamill as doc hock for a while i feel like mark hamill that's like a weird role that he could crush he's played the baddie before you know he does the joker so he knows how to get in touch with that dark side of himself i think he would be really cool to play off tom holland did you see that someone made a Doc Ock suit? It was, I blogged it. It was actually a couple of years ago.
Starting point is 00:36:09 It's incredible, man. I can't believe a Doc Ock suit in the fucking flesh. And it was like a kid. Yeah, a 19 year old kid with like a Bitcoin millionaire. It's like a fucking like real life super villain kind of shit. But it was like made to help some like, some little kid out who was like paralyzed or something so i always say though like super villains usually
Starting point is 00:36:29 start out with the right fucking you know thing in mind in their heart and then shit goes wrong so i feel like we are due for a super villain to come so i wouldn't be surprised if that suit turns on us in the next six months here god yeah okay so we've got Batman v Superman Asylum and Jack Black's Green Lantern. Both of these are absolute doozies in different ways that I didn't really know a ton about either of them. I think we should start with Batman v Superman Asylum because Jack Black's Green Lantern is a straight up comedy movie like they really went for it without their shit. So that'll be a funny laugh to end it. But this was written in the early 2000s uh to sort of reboot batman it was the goal after batman and robin had been a complete flop
Starting point is 00:37:12 like i said it was written by andrew kevin walker who wrote seven and the script was described as ultra dark they said it was so dark that they had to bring in batman forever and batman and robin writer akiva goldsman to rewrite the whole thing so i don't know what dc was thinking but when we talk about dc making dc moves they were like you know what forever and batman and robin tanked this franchise let's go dark with it let's let's get a more realistic take on batman they hired the guy that wrote seven which like holy shit what a ballsy move and then they were like you know what let's have a more realistic take on Batman. They hired the guy that wrote Seven, which like, holy shit, what a ballsy move. And then they were like, you know what? Let's have the Batman versus Robin guy come back in.
Starting point is 00:37:50 I mean, what the fuck were you expecting when you hired the guy that wrote Seven? Did they see what was in the box? Did they fucking see it? Did they watch the movie? What's wrong with these people? But yeah, it's such a DC move. And it's like they probably were trying to get away from like the popcorny bright whatever and it's like if you're dating a girl that is one way and
Starting point is 00:38:11 then you try to go the complete opposite and then you're just like what the fuck am i doing here you know yeah like live sacrifices taking place it's like all right we got to brighten it up a little um very on brand for dc though and just never sees the light of day there was there like a kind of like a description of i mean how do you i understand you can get dark in superhero movies oh oh i have a description this shit is dark this shit is dark so so wolfgang peterson was tapped to direct he is the director of troy the perfect storm dos boot kind of a weird directorial choice but he's a good director so fair um josh harnett was tapped to play superman colin farrell was
Starting point is 00:38:52 tapped to play batman and this movie would have taken place in the michael keaton universe they would be continuing that story directly now this script is famously out there apparently and widely trash among everyone that has read it. They said it would have been the worst Batman movie of all time. Now, here are the plot details. So Batman and Superman are both in a bit of a crisis, a midlife crisis. Batman's been retired for five years. Dick Grayson is dead.
Starting point is 00:39:19 Alfred is dead. And Jim Gordon is dead. He's got an Alfred robot butler now uh and he retired because he feared he would start going after his enemies for revenge rather than justice kind of a badass line when i read it i was like all right batman right right on self-policing yourself the joker is presumed dead from his fall at the end of the first Batman movie. Like we're continuing with the Jack Nicholson one. I love that fucking line where he's just laughing at the end. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:49 I just freaked out a couple of people in their head. I'll never do that again. I promise you guys, this is the basement's a safe place. Over in Metropolis, Lois Lane is divorcing Clark and Clark rekindles a flame with this old high school lover he had down in Smallville. Clark also says that he has wasted his time on Earth with such petty humans and that he has hated them the entire time, apparently.
Starting point is 00:40:13 Seems incredibly out of character for Superman. But I guess that's what happens when you hire the seven guys to do Superman. Very Dr. Manhattan of him, right? I have all this power. I'm sick of all this bullshit. And I mean, like, let's be honest. Humans suck. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:29 2020, we can admit it. The amount of people that are rooting for coronavirus now, there's definitely, like, a coronavirus, like, religion right now. Like, this is the good guy, guys. I'm telling you. Once you see this, coronavirus is actually the good guy. It's human sick. All right.
Starting point is 00:40:43 So strap in, Clem, because shit is about to get crazy. Bruce Wayne meets this woman named Elizabeth Miller, who is the perfect woman for her. He falls in love. They go get married. And on their honeymoon, the Joker comes back and kills her. He murders her. So Bruce is like, what the fuck?
Starting point is 00:41:00 How is the Joker back? It turns out that Lex Lututher brought the joker back using his dna and shit like that very kind of sounded like palpatine bringing him back in episode nine or they're like i don't know dark side magic he's back yeah um and it turns out that superman once saved the joker's life um and when he acted as a terrorist got the angry mob out of there so batman was like this is superman's fault that she's even alive whatever right so batman tries to kill the joker after he kills batman's wife and superman comes in and says i can't let you do this man so batman's like fuck you so now batman and superman have reason to fight this is where batman v superman comes in
Starting point is 00:41:41 batman and superman start fighting and in the middle of their fight look at each other and go this is pointless we know this is pointless we know we're being manipulated by lex luther but for some reason batman tries to kill him anyway they said they like admit it and then batman's just like fuck it i'm trying to kill you so he tries to kill him comes very close to succeeding and i guess we assume that he succeeds for a little bit and then batman finally confronts the joker the joker tells him at this point that when he was brought back by lex luther using his dna and everything like that he crafted the perfect woman for batman her name was elizabeth miller elizabeth miller was a creation of the joker the entire time and he said you know how i could prove it is take off your wedding band and he takes off the wedding band and on the
Starting point is 00:42:25 inside of it is the joker's face and at this point superman comes in he saves the day he helps batman defeat the joker lex luther at one point this is just a side note in the entire story that is the you know the ending superman and batman beat the joker lex luther at one point breaks out of prison and uses his fingernails to perform double brain surgery on two guards to make them mindless zombie soldiers for him. So he somehow slices their heads open, two guards, and at the same time, kind of like he's playing bongos, performs brain surgery on each of them with his fingernails this is the movie that was apparently written to come out in early 2000s batman v superman oh my god dc with a rarely dodging a bullet on this one i'm gonna give them credit for not putting going forward with that um i will say i do like the whole it clones and all that shit as we've seen with star wars makes it very tricky the joker coming back and like making the perfect woman for batman to then kill her is very good
Starting point is 00:43:33 though i like that i like the whole mind fuck of it all right i i think the whole like it's like the ultimate joke i guess right yes and his eyes and his sadistic eyes yeah and like if batman never noticed like his mortal enemy is in his wedding band, I guess that's Bruce Wayne's thing. Yeah. The world's greatest detective. Jesus Christ. Yeah. I never understood though. Like how the fuck, I'm not coming at your guy, Bob. I know we had a little bit of a thing with Cap and Iron Man. How does Batman even stand a chance against like,
Starting point is 00:44:03 and no one stands a chance against riverman that's the thing and it's like batman like everyone says that tonight crap tonight come on yeah you take care of batman's powers by like bankrupting him and then he doesn't have any powers anymore so it's like it's crazy to me um oof i that's a tough one man just imagine being like whoever had to read that script in front of the writer or whatever and reacting to it like a Christmas present that you hated. But like from your mom. So you're just like, oh, it's that's interesting. It's an interesting story you've written here. Yeah. Fingernails. That's how they're using the two guards.
Starting point is 00:44:40 I guess he's smart, right? Lex Luthor is supposed to be pretty smart, huh? Brain surgery. We got to nail Lex Luthor, too. There's certain characters you just like. I know. Like Wolverine was nailed. And, you know, depending on. So what would you say? Would you say has Batman.
Starting point is 00:44:57 Have we got our best Batman performance, say, in the next 20 years? Between from Michael Keenan. We had our best Batman in that range. Or do you think we'll get something better? I think we'll get something better because I feel like right now it's still up for debate. So many people are like, Keaton's my favorite. Bale's my favorite.
Starting point is 00:45:16 Some people say, hey, hell, Kilmer's my favorite. Nobody says George Clooney's their favorite. But it's still like, it's anyone's game, I feel like. Whereas there will be a front runner at some point at some point someone will come along and even people love ben affleck's performance right but someone's going to come along that blows us away as both bruce wayne and batman point where we're like oh yeah that's the goat that's the guy yeah that's that's batman like you said like i don't know if anyone could ever do a better wolverine than hugh jackman it's
Starting point is 00:45:44 almost like the next guy to have to fill those shoes i feel bad for where i'm happy that some of the other x-men roles haven't really you know just been like oh that's the guy you know i mean i do think uh the dude who plays cyclops like looks like cyclops looks but i think they could do a better job with the whole cyclops character and the actor uh could do that too actually the thomp thomp k thompke johnson or jansen or whatever she did a decent jean gray in the beginning i was gonna say i thought her jean gray was pretty good for the first like two and i thought i saw i thought sansa could have been a good sansa could have been a good jean gray if it was done in the mcu but they could i didn't
Starting point is 00:46:19 watch dark phoenix i watched the first five minutes of dark phoenix and i said nope i said this doesn't count they can do dark phoenix in like five years when they bring X-Men in and it will still be new to me. So please do that, Disney. Please, for the love of God, do that. Luke is five years old, loves the X-Men, loves the 90s cartoon, is on like season three on Disney+. Absolutely in love with the X-Men. Had to turn Dark Phoenix off in 10 minutes. He told his dad it was way too boring.
Starting point is 00:46:44 A five-year-old. How do you make an x-men movie for an x-men loving kid and have him say this is too boring and he wants to turn it off it's actually impressive it's actually impressive tip of the cap like that that seems like it was like a dc movie they made it they someone at dc got in there and made that movie so yeah i don't i personally think bail is bale's my guy bale's my guy bale's my guy and i i i hardcore agree with you on that one too about batman begins dark knight is so fucking good it really does i didn't love dark knight rises i just the whole i could see why people have faults with that one i i love it myself but it i always compare that to an overbooked wrestling match. Like some people, when wrestling matches get ridiculous,
Starting point is 00:47:30 where like the stretcher comes out and they go to wheel someone out on the stretcher and the guy refuses the medical attention and he goes back into the ring. Like some people are like, man, come on, this is ridiculous. And I'm like, oh no, it's crazy. That's why we love it. That's how I feel about the Dark Knight Rises. But at the same time, I'm like, yeah,, it's crazy. That's why we love it. That's how I feel about The Dark Knight Rises. But at the same time, I'm like, yeah, there's some rough scenes in there.
Starting point is 00:47:48 Probably Y'all Ghoul's death scene when she goes, bleh. Oh man, that's tough. And I like that actress too. She's a good actress, but nobody taught her how to die. And even that twist was a great twist and they tie it back in
Starting point is 00:48:04 and they bring the whole trip. And again, the third movie of a trilogy, like we've been spoiled by some of these trilogies like i guess like return of the jedi we always say that with all the different sequel prequel stuff return of the jedi was almost as good as you're gonna get for the third movie or trilogy that actually when you're comparing it to other number three movies it's probably pretty fucking good compared to all them yeah it's just batman begins was like raw it was the origin story but it was still like really good and it gave me a side of batman i didn't know because i didn't read like a lot of those comics from i mean really any of them let alone that like way of the origin story and then i mean the dark knight best again
Starting point is 00:48:40 i always say this best comic book film best comic book movie is Infinity War. So you can kind of like cheat there and get between the two. I love that little semantics clarification. The final movie that never happened, Jack Black's Green Lantern. This was written right after the success of School of Rock in 2004. One of my favorite comedy movies. I love School of Rock. I find it very rewatchable, very quotable. And this was written by Robert Schmeigelgel does that name ring a bell to you robert schmiegel is fucking hilarious he's the dude that does uh uh what's the stupid snl thing um triumph the insult
Starting point is 00:49:18 he's the creator he was a writer on snl for years. And Jack Black was reportedly not interested until he heard that Robert Schmiegel was involved. And then he said, okay, I'll give the script a read. And as soon as he did, he was all in. And he loved it. It was a straight comedy script, though. And people hated this. When word got out, it was straight early internet backlash. Like 2004, Jay and Silent Bob strike back style moviepoopshoot.com.
Starting point is 00:49:47 People were like pissed. They were like, how could you possibly do this? Green Lantern was not Hal Jordan in the script. His name was Judd Plateau. And he was basically a Fear Factor contestant. He was a reality TV show star that ate really gross things. He was described in the script as completely talentless. And it was a loose adaptation of a Green Lantern comic book called Emerald Dawn. I haven't read this, but this movie, so it was, like I said, really relentlessly mocked across the board. I think it sounded kind of promising. And when I read you the further details, I'll sort of explain why, but it sounds like they were sort of trying to do a deadpool thing before deadpool did deadpool that's what
Starting point is 00:50:29 i was thinking of in my head when you said comedy and whatever i'm like it sounds deadpooley so all right yeah so they did a very like meta thing they were uh cameos all over the place from other superheroes he kept trying to like just emulate superheroes that he saw in movies. So like Spider-Man existed in his world. He tried to take like his catchphrase and stuff. There were cameos scheduled from Britney Spears, Flava Flav, Sharon Stone. And at one point he uses the ring to create a holographic Beatles show where he reunites all four Beatles and just watches it sits on the couch. He makes his dick bigger at one point using the ring and has to get a huge condom made. That's a point in the script.
Starting point is 00:51:12 Sinestro was the villain, and he was a very meta take on George W. Bush, they said, being it was 2004. So it was very political. I think Sinestro is like a Western cowboy type guy. Jack Black would have sung the theme black uh green lantern would have had like a flash gordon style theme sung by jack black which makes sense when you hear like the tenacious d style yeah like i could complete wonder boy that sounds like it's written for flash gordon or something um this version of green lantern were a fanny pack and the whole conclusion of the movie,
Starting point is 00:51:46 they came under attack by, and I shit you not, an asteroid that was actually a giant Pikachu, the Pokemon. Now this was a, it was an homage to Ghostbusters. With the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man being like an adorable thing attacking the city. They were like, we'll do that with Pikachu. And the way that he solves it is he remembers that in the first Superman movie,
Starting point is 00:52:09 Superman flies around the world really fast and he could turn back time. So he does that in this movie. That's the conclusion of the Jack Black Green Lantern movie. I think based on the fact that they tried to do the Deadpool thing before Deadpool did Deadpool, they're making homages to Ghostbusters. And the fact that Jack Black, who I think is a hysterical guy, read the script and was like, you know what? do the Deadpool thing before Deadpool did Deadpool. They were making homages to Ghostbusters.
Starting point is 00:52:27 And the fact that Jack Black, who I think is a hysterical guy, read the script and was like, you know what? I wasn't interested before, but now I am. I think there was some promise there. Maybe it wasn't going to be the best movie ever, but it sounds interesting to me. I don't know if you noticed it. When you said, I was about to take a sip of my water,
Starting point is 00:52:43 you said Robert Spiegel. Oh, that's not a meme i hear all you hear often right but i mean tv funhouse is one of the fucking funniest things uh snl back in the day really did hit um and he he was on conan and i those old conans were hilarious just off the wall craziness batshit crazy and i think like if that's the kind of movie they're making which i mean when you're throwing pikachu in as an homage to the state of marshmallow man and just some of the cameos uh you know giant dick joke those always work um i mean i'm in i'm in for that i mean it's dc they don't really have a high bar to clear right with these movies so i think yeah i i would have loved that's one of the what ifs out of the three that we've gone over i think that's the one i wish had happened most and it's the superhero by far i
Starting point is 00:53:30 care about the least out of all these which maybe i maybe it's also because like i mean i guess i wouldn't care if they fucking if that early 90s spider-man movie sucked but um i feel like more chances with characters like the green lantern that's That's why Deadpool fucking works so good. I think Ryan Reynolds got a blank slate. It's like, hey, do this. Guardians 2, right? It was like no one had any expectations for Guardians, and James Gunn just gets to fucking –
Starting point is 00:53:52 it's funny how when you give these talented filmmakers, you just put them in a room and say, do whatever you're going to do. We're not going to give you any notes because this is like – it would be a Hail Mary if it's awesome. Everything turns out good. Crazy how that works, huh, Bob? It really is is and to bring it full circle with James Gunn I saw a quote he put on Instagram this week if you don't follow James Gunn on Instagram and you're a fan of his I think you should because he does Q&A's all the time on a story and he's one of these guys where
Starting point is 00:54:18 one day he might have 10,000 stories but it's all questions that he's answered from fans and one was what would you do to make like the filmmaking business better if you could do one thing and he said i would have studios approve movies only based on scripts that they've liked he said right now every studio is just approving things based on concepts based on characters based on this and they're just like all right let's find someone to write this he saying, I think he said a movie quality would go up by 60% immediately. If studios said, bring us scripts that you like, that you want to do. He said, imagine having someone be able to go to Warner brothers and be like,
Starting point is 00:54:54 Hey, here's my Superman script. You said that nobody could do Superman, right? Well, I love Superman. I care about Superman. I've been a Superman fan my whole life. Like there's gotta be a talented screenwriter out there who feels that way. So he said, stop saying, Hey, we have a new movie coming out in 2027. It's going to be great. We'll figure it out. He's like, no, no, no. Figure it out. And then tell us, which I thought was really cool. And like, like I said,
Starting point is 00:55:18 sort of brings it full circle with James gone and these movies, the untold movies. And this, this was fun. Like there's a long list of movies that never wound up happening that were, you know, this far or further in the development stages that we could go through one day. This I've done this on the podcast before we're doing it right now. We're doing a live follow three, two, one, follow James Gunn on Instagram.
Starting point is 00:55:40 I don't, I just never followed him. I think I follow him on Twitter, but not on Instagram. And when i was searching james gunn it's a james gunn q a was like the first auto complete on google so apparently these q and a's are big hits if people are fucking searching them out they are and oh my god everyone gets taken out of context you know like the the comic book clickbait sites will be like james gunn confirms that guardians 3 will be da-da-da-da-da. And then it links to the Q&A, and he's like, a good movie. And it's like, oh. I remember back in the day, before I'd even watched Guardians, and you were blogging about how it turns out Baby Groot is Big Groot's son,
Starting point is 00:56:17 not Big Groot. And I was like, holy fuck. And I guess this is where you said a lot of this stuff. I think it comes from that, too, yeah. Yeah. So James Gunnn must follow everyone follow james gunn that's tonight's uh homer from the basement it's about to follow james gunn on instagram yeah there you go all right this was a fun podcast like i said a more free-flowing
Starting point is 00:56:33 podcast we covered wwf video games we covered miles morales in the mcu and a bunch of movies that never wound up happening but i think there was a lot of interesting intel in in these movies i mean when i was compiling notes for it and reading about this script, this Batman v. Superman script, you know, the climax where he takes the ring off and the Joker's face is inside of it, I was just like, what in the world? I didn't know this information was out there on the internet. As a nerd myself, I feel like I should have known about this stuff. Some serious, like, there's a lot of what-ifs.
Starting point is 00:57:04 We should, if you guys have any serious, like there's a lot of what ifs we should, we should, if you guys have any good, like what if, whether it's like scripts like that, like you said, actors, which I think is pretty common or just anything. Cause I feel like there's probably a lot of like,
Starting point is 00:57:16 you know, sliding doors moments. If you hit us up on Twitter or whatever, let us know this stuff. So when we come back, we can kind of like discuss it again in the future. Happy to be in the basement. I think so.
Starting point is 00:57:29 I always love when I think it was like two of the last three or four guests. It's like I'm in the basement right now. I see Ric Flair's robe is sitting over there. Dana White's like protein shake is over there. It's a fucking – I always love when it's like you go through the list of people. It's like Trenton Rhea, Ric Flair, Dana White, Big Dumb Clem. What a fucking squad that is right there, man. The greatest squad in the world.
Starting point is 00:57:52 That's like our Avengers. Yes, exactly. I demand one day, years from now, when Bob Fox is all grown up and has his house, we're all going into your basement, and I want every fucking guest to be there. If Ric Flair, Ric Flair will still be kicking by that point whenever that man tmz has declared him dead like six times and he's made it out rick flair i think is just wooing his way to 200 i i told you this on the text you're like dude you're never gonna guess who i have on my mom's basement and i was like who you're like rick flair i was like oh thank god
Starting point is 00:58:22 i was like bob i this is god's on the street 48 hours earlier i had like just one of those permanations like i feel like something bad's gonna happen to rick flair right now it was like it was my spidey senses and i hated that feeling and i said i was gonna text you just to like be like this isn't good man and i was like you know what you can't put that in the universe turns out you were probably interviewing at the time and i had this weird fucking six cents my boy was on a fucking zoom call with him and uh it fucking awesome dude six cents i think you should get some blood work done i think you got some metachlorians in there i think of course as you know when uh when like leia feels han gets stabbed in the force awakens
Starting point is 00:58:59 she like grabs her chest or when yoda sees order 66 and it's like he's having a heart attack like you had one of those and it was just like oh no it was a misread of the force did you see that someone tweeted us um uh execute order 66 the other day just out of the blue and i i honestly i was like do i quote tweet this do i reply to it and honestly i was just like i was like you know like it's it's like fucking one of those things i was just like i was like you know what i was like oh like it's it's like fucking one of those things i was like shit i'm happy like i didn't like instinctively like just like start slaughtering people like i i know i don't have that fucking order burnt into my brain like a stormtrooper but man just seeing that in the fucking print and writing kind of fucked me up a
Starting point is 00:59:39 little i'm not gonna lie if whoever's did tweeted that was listening, good fucking work. You finally shook me. You shook me with a line from a movie, man. I was shooken. All right. This has been a fun episode of My Mom's Basement. Like Clem said before, if you like the show, make sure you subscribe. Make sure you download, rate five stars, do all that fancy stuff, and we will talk to you next week.

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