My Mom's Basement - EPISODE 82 - BILLY MARTIN

Episode Date: October 14, 2020

Billy Martin (longtime guitarist of Good Charlotte/now a tremendous comic book illustrator) joins the show to discuss the band's first couple records, how they were perceived when they were released, the new trend of hip hop artists pushing the rock sound forward, his awesome artwork/comic industry goals, and more. 3Chi: Use code BASEMENT at checkout to receive 5% off at 3Chi.comYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mymomsbasement

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Without further ado, let's get into this chat with Billy Martin of Good Charlotte. Okay, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the show. Welcome back to My Mom's Basement. We've got another music edition of the show for you today. I am honored to be joined by Billy Martin of Good Charlotte right now. I kind of mentioned it to you on Twitter before we got started, but I'm a big fan of you, big fan of your work. I used to own shirts with your face on them, so this is cool for me. Happy October as a guy who I know loves all things Nightmare Before Christmas. How have you been holding up in this crazy year, this crazy quarantine? Yeah, man, I'm good. First of all, thanks for having me on the show, man. I'm stoked to do this.

But yeah, I'm holding up. I'm kind of a homebody anyways. Like all the things I love to do are at home anyways. So like, you know, that part of it isn't hasn't been too hard. The whole like having my kids home at homeschool while trying to get things done. That's been a fun new challenge. But my wife has been really good at like, you know, trying to take the brunt of that so I can work. But all in all, man, I'm good. I miss my friends. I miss getting to go places and that kind of stuff.

But all in all, I'm doing OK. Yeah, you said you love doing things at home. Behind you, you've got guitars. You've got cool statues. You've got all stuff like that. You're an artist. You're a musician. You're now a producer.

What has been keeping you entertained the most throughout 2020, would you say? You know, I really bounce back and forth between both. I'm definitely a little ADD when it comes to it. Like just doing music, I would go crazy. Just doing art, I would do crazy. So I'm really fortunate that I get to do both for a career. Yeah, I do a lot of producing. Mostly it's like making beats and writing instrumentals. I have like a store where I sell instrumentals for like up and coming singers or rappers or any kind of artists who are looking for stuff to sing over. They can

purchase instrumentals or have a couple other artists who i work with on a regular basis um just you know bouncing tracks back and forth we used to work in the studio but now you know that's not really possible but it's really cool because of the internet just being able to bounce files back and forth and aside from that i work as a freelance illustrator so um right now i'm doing a lot of marvel comics toy designs with has. So a lot of action figures. Wow. And yeah, just this week, I started with tops, the trading cards doing like a line of Marvel trading card illustration. So that's what I've drawn superheroes and music. So I'm good. You know? Yeah, that's I mean, that tops thing is awesome. I remember those old Marvel cards from back in the day, like with the, you know, chrome cover. Those were amazing. So that's got to be cool for you as well.

Yeah, I definitely still have all those in a binder somewhere. So it's cool. You know, they gave me a couple, nine different characters and they're like, just do your take on them. However you'd want to draw them and just kind of do my thing. So that's fine. That's awesome. So I saw an interview with you. You mentioned that you had wanted to draw for Disney for as long as you remember. That was like your dream from the start. So when did guitar and rock and roll and pop punk, when did that all enter for you? I guess like probably around like 14, 15, you know, when you start to, you know, transition to, you know, being a teenager and wanting to be cool. And it's like way cooler to say you're in a band and then you draw comic

books and stuff like that. So probably just that natural progression of the age. When I got a little older, I started to really, really, I mean, I've always loved music since I was a kid, but it was Sesame Street and Disney soundtrack, you know, like I've always like had to have music on. And as I got older, you know, I kind of, I went right big, like my first couple albums I got in rock music were like White Zombies' first album, Tools Undertow, and like Metallica, the black album. And that was when I was in in fifth grade or something like that.

So I went big on rock right away and had this big transition to, oh, I don't want to draw anymore. I want to be in a band and I want to play guitar. And I sort of focused all my time on the music. But then you get on tour and you realize that 1% of your day is playing music. The rest of it on tour is figuring out what am I going to do with all my time. So then I kind of really got back into drawing and stuff with all the free time. And now I just balance both. Man, that's fascinating.

I had no idea that you were a comic book artist until we connected on Twitter. And then it was like, holy shit, because your style is super unique too. Like I looked at the stuff that you've tweeted, your pinned tweet, the Walking Dead cover you did, I thought was so neat because it's just like so different than that Kirkman, like, you know, original style, the gritty style. It's almost more cartoonish in a cool way. But yeah, that was, I was interested in like, if you put it to the side or if you picked it back up while you were touring at the height of things, like if art came back for you recently, I just had

no idea. It came back recently, like on a more professional level. I can't, you know, I had like a clothing line back in the day. And that was just sort of an excuse to like, hey, like draw for a reason, because otherwise you just like, you know, I needed that motivation. So I was like, I'm gonna start a clothing line just like I put my drawings on shirts and stuff. And, and that opened up doors for me to get into other things. And really, it was around, I guess, like, I can't remember the years but like 2012 ish when Good Charlotte decided to take a hiatus and we just sort of closed the chapter on Good Charlotte for all we didn't know how long the break was going to be whether it was going to be six months it ended up being like four and a half years that we just didn't do Good Charlotte

and then those four years is when things really blossomed because I didn't have to pick and choose like I would get offered projects and I'd say oh I can't work on this project because I'm going on tour next month like I just can't take anything this big I had to say no and couldn't really fully commit to the art thing just because I knew um timing wise but once there was no good Charlotte for a while I just kind of went full in on the art thing and thought this is my chance to make this a real job and take projects that I didn't think I could do and it opened up like a ton of doors for me and then then, you know, we decided, Hey, let's get the band back together. But I have made too much headway in the art world to like put that on the back burner. But now I just understand it like, like being able to only do one job. I understand deadlines and working with editors and producers on shows and like what

they want and how fast they need it. And like, I'll know which projects I could say yes or no to because I understand, you know, what it what it what it takes to to balance both so it was definitely a challenge but like I said I love both so much I'm just stoked that I get to do them both that's super cool and as a guy with multiple passions in many different worlds it's very inspirational that you've figured it out and made it work so I really think that's awesome and we'll get into Good Charlotte producing some more comic stuff but I think something you mentioned there is super interesting. It was the first few albums that you purchased. I recently wrote a good 18 years just passed and 20 years just passed since Good Charlotte's self-titled debut album want to take it back and just ask you starting with the self-titled album what do you remember about putting that out at the time recording it

20 years on I mean that whole thing was a trip I was still a senior in high school so when we signed our record deal I had to have my parents come into school and like meet with the principal and they're like his band is gonna go to LA for a couple days and then New York for a couple weeks like to record this album and he's gonna need to miss school and all this and so that was really exciting and I think I turned 18 maybe like while we were recording the album or something is I have a June birthday so um yeah I packed all my stuff up uh went out with the band I think we were in LA for like three or four days for some reason the producer wanted to do all the drums in LA but we were an east coast based band so we wanted to be in New York so we could be near the label and home and stuff so we did the rest

of the record in New York and you know up until that point I still lived with you know lived at home and went to school and all that so uh, uh, went out, made a record, came home from school. I remember I got a tattoo while I was out in California to my first tattoo, um, maybe even two tattoos. And I came back home as a senior in high school. I used to have long dreadlocks like down past my shoulders, like all throughout high school. Well, you're a Korn fan, right? A total Korn fan. Korn was like my favorite band. I had long dreadlocks,

but you know, I started playing, you know, these stories can go on forever. I had like a band in high school that was like a new metal kind of band. And then good Charlotte was like, those guys were a few years older than me and they were out of high school. And there was just the four of them. And in my band would play with good Charlotte, you know, they would always kind of coax me like, Hey, leave your band. I'm like, Oh no, so different from what I do. But you know,

like they say the grass is always greener like you try something different it was so fresh and so different and i really like playing with those guys and obviously it was a good choice because it worked out but um yeah so so that label's all you need to cut your dreadlocks off this doesn't fit the look so i show back up to high school after leaving for two weeks with like super short spiky hair like tattoos and all these kids are like oh your band didn't get signed you're lying like nobody believed me that my band got signed and stuff like that. And next thing I knew, like, I really wanted to do graduation. So I graduated, I came back for a couple days, like did whatever exams I needed to finish, walked on the stage, got my hat. And the very next day,

I left to go on tour with the band. And so that was it. We, you know, just hit the ground running. And I think we probably did, you know, 364 shows or something that year. So then we played every day just nonstop and for the next 10 years, probably, you know, so it was really hard to stop and reflect, but you know, that's what it was like. Just, it's happened. And it was awesome. I'm very thankful for it, but it's hard to remember. It was a lot of blur. Yeah. I would imagine so. That's the rock and roll dream graduating and then immediately going on tour what was the reception

to the album like in the moment because right now we look back at that and especially the young and the hopeless as like classics they're absolute like they have this big legacy around them now especially in the pop punk rock and roll world right so what was it like when it first came out well you know the first record like didn't do that, we didn't even go gold on the first record, like no singles charted, there was no real traction. And the record label was bummed. You know, they looked at it like, ooh, this band was not what we thought we thought this was going to be a big record. And they actually considered dropping us they were like, you know, we're not going to do another another record. But it was the touring numbers that made them go like they're

not on the radio they don't have any hits but like so many kids are coming to the concerts and the shows are getting bigger and bigger and by the end of you know so so first we we opened for we went for no doubt we did some shows with link then we opened for phoenix tx mxbx like we were always the opener for years on these bands and by the time we finished touring for two years, we were able to do a headline run of our own like club shows at around like a thousand people and sold out like the whole thing. So the label was like, okay, there's no radio success, but these guys can, they can, you know, pull, pull numbers on tour. So that made them think, okay,

maybe there's something to this band that, that it just hasn't caught on yet. So they're like, well, you know, we'll let you do one more record. That was the deal. So we went and made to make young and hopeless obviously knowing there's a little pressure but it's like if you could have made that record the first time you would have like there's no like secret ingredient to like making a better record you just go in and i think eric valentine the producer we worked with was was a huge part of it eric was a really different producer than don i mean the first record we did with don gilmore who did you know lincoln park's first two records i mean don is like one of the

best ever um but don is very like simple he likes very very simple and you can hear that lincoln park and the first good charlotte record whereas eric valentine wanted to uh he liked old school he wanted to work with tape and stuff like that he's like oh i know there's always digital stuff but i want to record analog in the tape I want to make sure you guys are physically playing every note I don't want to like cut and paste he was like I want you to play in the room as a band you know the first day we got in and he hit record and he was like oh shit this is this is gonna be hard you guys are you're not that tight you're like a bunch of little kids like you don't really know how to play and we're like no no we do so I mean we spent months on that

record and we left that experience being like 10 times the musicians that we were going into it. Because Eric really pushed us and like just really made us think about every note we were playing, every sound, every lyric, everything the twins were like singing about. The songwriting was really important. So, you know, that was a big difference between those two records, I guess, is, you know, one was just naive and green. And we just went in and made a record and then i guess the second record we really thought about it but um yeah so it's crazy to think we almost didn't i'm glad i did yeah absolutely crazy and you put your backs against the wall and you gave us one of the best pop punk records of all time i mentioned to you in the dms

that the anthem is a song that we cover at every one of our band shows. I have a band at Barstool. Barstool's like house band, basically. It's called Pup Punk. And we do parody covers of songs from the early 2000s. And then we'll do actual covers. Most of our set are actual just Blink covers, Good Charlotte covers, you know, Jimmy Eat World covers. And the anthem's like our closer, basically. So it's like when you put out a song like that that has the longevity

man it's you've become like this legendary status when did you start hearing that from people and like musicians telling you i assume like hey i grew up on your music your music inspired me to start playing music kind of now you know like that stuff has happened in the last couple years i mean there's obviously there was a period of time where you know good charlotte got a lot of crap because we were very extreme people weren't sure like are you taking the cool warp tour scene and you're ruining it you're like taking it to hot topic mtv and like that wasn't the vibe back then so you know for a while it was very like boo good charlotte ruined the scene you know and then people start to realize but wait a second like now my band has a chance to be bigger than ever because bands like obviously Blink was like Blink and Green Day

I think about being like the first ones to really put that sound on MTV but you know then you know like we were certainly in the next wave and it came to the point where yes like 20 years later I'll it goes a lot with the producing thing I've been doing so like you mentioned I've been doing producing and I'm always looking for young up and coming artists and like, you know, who can I find to work with? And, you know, I'll hear someone with a track. I'm like, Oh, this is really good. I like this artist. And I might follow them on Twitter or something, you know, and they'll like, follow me right back and DM me like, bro,

you're a legend. I can't believe this. And I'm like, I'm not a legend. You know, that's sort of what I did. That was sort of, yeah. But in the last couple of years, like people keep saying that word. It's hard to hear. Like, obviously, it's a huge compliment. And I'm very thankful for anyone to think that our band has made that kind of impact on them. But, you know, it's it's it's funny to think, you know, it takes 20 years for all the hate to like turn around. And now, like, there's no hate anymore. Now it's just like, oh, man, I love your band. I grew up with you guys. It's, you know, so cool cool so it's it's nice to get the love all the time yeah so

speaking of sort of disrupting the genre right and taking it mainstream i followed you on twitter because i saw you tweet a congratulations towards mgk and you said it was huge for uh the world of rock music that he had a number one album i really loved loved the Tickets to My Downfall album as a pop punk fan, as a guy who grew up on it and never left the genre. I wasn't one of these people who kind of got brought back to it with this album. I've been sticking around throughout everything. You know, I have Generation RX on vinyl, right sitting right next to me, like, I'm very much keeping up to date with it. Why do you think some pop punk fans and musicians were kind of like pushing back on the idea of MGK

hopping into the genre? You know, I think a lot of people, it's a little bit of like gatekeeping, and it's our special thing. And like, nobody else can have pop punk, like, you can't just come in and take something like I think the fans feel really connected to it. But if you've looked at what's happened to music in the last 10 years, obviously, I think, you know, and this is just a matter of opinion, but I feel like rock kind of stalled like 10 years ago, you know and this is just a matter of opinion but i feel like rock kind of stalled like 10 years ago you know you've got 60s psychedelic 70s like beginning of hard rock you've got 80s glam 90s grunge 2000s was new metal mid 2000s was pop punk then there was also sort of that indie wave of stuff like the killers and the white stripes but come like 2010 and 2020

like i can't pinpoint a sound personally you know I guess you know metalcore but that was a little bit still like mid-2000s but I feel like like rock has kind of stalled and it's just been spinning for for a while like there hasn't been anyone to come out and be like we're the new face of a new sound you know I think if anything horizon I think that's the man who's leading the charge as far as I think is innovation and really pushing rock music I think that's the best band out but you look at hip-hop and there's artists like Lil Peep, Juice WRLD, Post Malone and all those guys are like bringing in like that emo sound into hip-hop and they're blending it in like a really

natural way and that's what really got me into wanting to start producing and making beats because I saw more innovation in that style than I was seeing in rock music and I thought all these young kids who are growing up with like laptops making I mean I feel like the sound came out of I have a laptop I can't afford a studio I don't have a whole drum set in my room but I can program the drums and I can plug my guitar in and like that's kind of how the sound happened it's vocals guitar and everything else is programmed and I feel like hip hop is making rock big again like rock is going to be back on the radio all over the place I guarantee in a few years and it's rap who brought it back the rappers are like dressing like rock stars they

use the term rock star they're more hip hop than ever and I think MGK being a huge prominent face in just sort of like pop culture and music in general making a pop punk record that's good you know like every song front to back it's catchy it's well produced obviously Travis was like a big part of that um giving it that authenticity but it's it's big it's just it's I want rock like I grew up on a time where like us you know Nine Inch Nails was like a number one song on the radio like can you imagine that like that was like the biggest song in the country and i miss that and i love pop music i do i love hip-hop i love electronic music i love pop i love all music if it's good it's good if it's not it's not like that's how i feel about stuff but

um i miss just rock having that outlet that it could be the biggest video of the year the biggest song of the year you know like and i think you know i wanted to give props you know because i know a lot of people are oh mgk's ruining it i'm like now what he did for the rock scene it was big it's it's really helped it might not be that one album's gonna change everything but it was a huge stepping stone for sure i thought it was a refreshing tweet to see especially because so many people were saying stuff about the album. Like, look, he's trying to chase down that blinks down that good Charlotte sound. And it's like, all right, well, here's Billy from good Charlotte being like thumbs up. You're,

you're nailing it. And that is, yeah, of course, that's what they're chasing down. It's what everyone in pop punk has been chasing down for 20 years. Right. Is like sort of reminding people what that sound looks like. But like you said, he's pushing it forward with some emo stuff, some hip hop vibes, some program drums. and I think your beats are cool too I went on your YouTube and like looked through them and the Travis Barker MGK type beats it's like you're the guy who understands how to how to mix those two things so I think that's going to be a great

endeavor for you as a producer I hope so I definitely think it's good timing for me to get into that kind of thing and uh you know it's it's obviously I had so many producers and rappers come to me like and when I first started making beats I like shied away from that sound because like no that's what I've been doing forever I want to just make trap beats with big 808s and I want to play keys I don't want to play I don't want to sound like so I was just trying to make like straight up you know stuff that sounds like Travis Scott beats or something like that and it wasn't like going the way I expected it to people hit me up and be like yo do you have anything with guitar in it or like send me guitar loops or do you have any like emo stuff and I'm like no like that's not what I'm doing but then it hit me like why would you not do that like

you're kind of a quote-unquote like authority of that sound like you can bring something like to that sound that maybe somebody else can't so in the last couple like months or so I've started to realize like okay there's something So in the last couple of like months or so, I've started to realize like, okay, there's something happening in music that I'm like already tied into. I would be stupid to shy away from it. I should embrace it and like, you know, kind of help, help push the wave. So, yeah. So thank you for checking out those beats and stuff. I appreciate it.

Absolutely. So, and as another guy who, like I said, put out some classic albums back in the day, how do you feel about the way that single culture is kind of like driving music nowadays and people are much more focused on putting out big singles than full complete albums? You know, the old head in me like misses the album. You love the idea of listening to an album, but I think you're getting more stuff more often from artists, which isn't a bad thing. You used to have to wait like two or three years to get new music. But like when it's a single driven culture, you're getting more stuff more often from artists which isn't a bad thing you used to have to wait like two or three years to get new music but like when it's a single driven culture you're getting

more music more often so that so that part from a fan standpoint is cool um but i i don't really see it you know i guess i haven't really thought about it that much as as it being such such more single driven but um you know eventually eventually you'll get an album i just like when i like something i'll play the shit out of it you know i want to listen to it all the time over and over and it's hard when it's one song i'm like oh i wish it was an album so that i could keep playing the album because you know you're gonna get played out of 12 songs over and over than just the same song over and over so so that part of it i wish there was more albums but you know the it's easy to try stuff out with a single you don't have to put this huge marketing budget

and all this time into an album versus you put one single out and you think, okay, that sound really popped. Obviously, that's what my fans like. And then you can realize, let's do more songs versus throwing a whole album out and it doesn't hit. And you're like, man, I just wasted six months that I should have went with a different direction or something.

Yeah, that definitely makes sense. All right, let's dive a little bit into comic books now Now I want to know a few big questions, I think for any comic book fan. Number one, the cliche one, but it's the one that everyone has to know. Who's your favorite superhero? My favorite superhero is Batman. Yeah. Okay, me too, as well. What is your favorite Batman story? What's your favorite Batman arc? Oh, let's see. You know, I read, there's this novel called Nightfall that i read back in the 90s you know it's like actually like a big hardbound like i'm sure there's a comic of it too but i read like the actual like big novelization yeah yeah i got that as a gift one year as a kid

and that story always stuck really really strongly with me i mean hush was awesome the the court of owls was really cool but i think batman the animated series from the 90s is like my favorite incarnation of batman like that was just so so perfect definitely about that show was that's still when i'm reading batman comics like i'm hearing kevin conroy's voice in my head mark hamill's voice in my head like all of those voices are the ones right and heart of ice is still one of the best batman stories ever told with mr freeze so good absolutely all right what is your favorite superhero movie uh i'm gonna have to go with batman returns just because i'm such a tim burton fanatic um i think batman returns is sort of like

perfect uh mix of like comic books and you know that tim bur Burton, as far as like modern stuff goes, I really love the Tom Holland Spider-Man movies. I think they're just like perfect. He's great, great casting. He's so likable. The action scenes are awesome. So and my kids really love Spider-Man, too. So I think both of those those last Spider-Man ones are really, really good. I'm with you. Great picks. And I've always been of the argument thatMan ones are really, really good. I'm with you.

Great picks. And I've always been of the argument that Batman Returns is superior to Batman. And my brother is a huge Batman guy. So I like having you on my side on that one. I love Batman Returns. I mean, obviously. Definitely a Christmas movie, by the way, too. People talk about Die Hard all the time.

And it's like, I'm talking about Batman Returns around the holidays. Come on. Just the iconography of the big cat face, you know, like the big circle around cat face and like the snow coming down. And like, yeah, it's just such a great visual movie. The store that they rob. Yeah, like all the stuff in it.

Yeah, it's a great, great movie. Even that there's that moment where Batman looks back in the sewers and he's like, did I just almost get killed by penguins? That's like such a great moment in that movie, right? Absolutely. I need to watch that one again. It's been a minute. What is your dream comic book? If, if, you know, Marvel or DC came to you and said, Billy, you can draw anything you'd like.

Have you done it already? Have you not done it? What is your dream? Your white whale? No, that's correct. I mean, it's on the same topic. I mean, I've drawn for IDW. I've drawn Ninja Turtles a bunch. I've drawn X-Men covers, Spider-Man covers. I've gotten to draw all, but I've never worked for DC. DC's never offered me any works.

I've never got, I got to do a Ninja Turtles, Batman crossover comic for a cover for IDW. So technically I've professionally drawn Batman, but I've never worked for DC. So no, I've never got to do batman cover or anything like that or anything so so that that's like the last one on my checklist um is is to get to do some batman stuff for dc dc what the fuck cut the check come on we're waiting here i've reached out a lot of times but they always say that my look is too cartoony and they want something a little more gritty oh i don't like that i'm like but I see so many cartoony books.

I mean, I even have a couple of friends who work for DC and they're always kind of trying to root for me. But I don't know. So far, just, you know, Marvel's given me all the love and I'd really appreciate if DC wanted to work, you know, like just holler. Yeah, I like the cartoony look because it's so different. It's everyone's trying to chase down the Jim Lee style at this point.

And you're not doing that. You're doing like your own thing. I love the, on your your pinned tweet I think it's the x-men cover you have like the way you drew Wolverine is so unlike any version of Wolverine I've seen so I like that thank you I mean I'm just you know like I spent so much time in in my career thinking to I should draw more like everybody else like that's how you get the work but then I realized like do you you I want to stand out you know like but I also like I grew up with Disney like animation and Disney is like a huge part of me drawing so like when I draw I try to do that fine line between comic books and animation you know it's like something that sits right in the middle and sometimes that's

hard if I went fully one way or fully the other way I'd probably get more work you know but because I sit right in the middle I think it makes it a little harder, but it's just, it makes me happy. And that's the whole, the whole point of being creative. If you can be happy and creative and get paid to do it all, like that's, that's the win, win, win right there. Right? Yeah. I'm with you. So that's a good note to end it on Billy. Tell everyone where they could find you on social media, all that stuff. Yeah. Like, uh, well, Twitter's my favorite. That's what I use the most. I'm at TheBillyMartin. But if you go to TheBillyMartin.com, it's got links.

I stream a lot on Twitch. I do a lot on YouTube and all that stuff. So go to TheBillyMartin.com. You can find all my links there to find me on all that good stuff. All right, hell yeah. I really appreciate you joining the show. Hopefully, we'll get you back on soon.

And maybe in 2021, if Corona's all done with, we'll have a pop punk track produced by Billy Martin. That's the dream. Sounds good, man. I mean, thanks again for having me, Robbie. I appreciate it. Absolutely. Thanks, man.