My Mom's Basement - FRIDAY BONUS EPISODE 10 - IS SPIDER-MAN OUT OF THE MCU?! NERD NEWS WITH CLEM!

Episode Date: August 23, 2019

Clem joins Robbie for an EMERGENCY podcast due to the harsh news that Disney and Sony could not come to an agreement on terms for the usage of Spider-Man, so he's OUT of the MCU…for now. They also discuss the positive news that both The Matrix and Masters of the Universe franchises are coming back, and answer listener questions! Follow Clem on Twitter... -@TheClemReportYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mymomsbasement

Hey, My Mom's Basement listeners. You can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. I was on UFC Unfiltered this week with Jim Norton and Matt Serra. You can check that out on UFC Fight Pass, which is pretty cool. It's like a video as well as a podcast. And I will be joining Matt Serra next week on that show, filling in for Jim Norton on Wednesday.

So that'll be really cool. Make sure you look out for that. And on Monday, I have an interview with Triple G himself, Gennady Golovkin, that I did this morning. Pretty fucking cool. Exciting stuff for the pod, but let's get into the nerd corner. Let's get into the nerdy shit. Clem, how are you doing? I'm doing good. And since you're too humble to say it, let's also just say my boy was on the, as you said it best, the also receiving votes of the 40 under 40, my guy, Robbie Fox. I mean, you're like the 21 under 21 club. How many people on that list are under, or I'm sorry, you're 21 now, so 22 under 22. How many people on that list are in their early'm sorry you're 21 now so 22 under 22 how many people on that list are like in their early 20s like early early 20s like just legal i'm not sure

but speaking of being legal did you hear about my conundrum at the bar the other night i have not listened i know it was on kfc radio i haven't listened yet though clem this was brutal me and glenny balls go to a kiss concert on tuesday night right barclays center it. What a con. It's going to be the last time I see Kiss. I know that. So I'm going all out for it. Fucking love Kiss, as everyone that listens to this podcast knows. I mean, I'm literally wearing a Kiss T-shirt in the logo for this podcast. So I'm stoked.

We pick up our tickets at box office, and we said, let's grab a quick drink right before the show. We go to the first bar we find, and I give the guy my ID, and he says, you're not drinking, are you? And I was like, no, no, I am. I said, I turned 21 last month. I know I look young ID and he says, you're not drinking, are you? And I was like, no, no, I am. I said I turned 21 last month. I know I look young. And he says, let me see some more forms of ID. And I give him my credit card, another credit card that just has my name on it, an insurance card, a dental card. And he's like, nope, get out of here.

He didn't believe me. Are you – I gave him an ID and then four other forms of ID. He had five separate forms of identification. And he was like, there's no fucking way. Get out of here. You know what? I actually kind of co-signed this because he's like, listen, no 21-year-old has their shit this much together.

And it's always like, we always said you were 20 going on 40. Like, Robbie Fox is more mature than, like, half of the people in their mid-30s at Barstool. So this kind of checks out. He's like, you're such a fake ass 21 year old. Like you like, because everyone does it when they have like their fake and then they have all their backups to their fake. You memorize the town that you're from and you're fake and you know,

all the little fun facts. And my guy, Robbie Fox is so mature. He couldn't even get in. I actually got, I forgot my license or I lost it in Austin, Texas a couple of years ago. And like,

like if you have to be a real asshole to let an old man, and I was like, listen, I showed them my medical insurance card and the pictures of my kids. I'm like, dude, I'm a dad. Just let me say, yeah, man, go in. Like, I can tell by your eyes, you have experienced way too much shit on this earth. Well, we talked about it on KFC radio

and check that out as well, by the way. I was on KFC radio yesterday and that was a really fun time. But we talked about this. I went to a bar once with a bunch of guys from barstool bunch of guys and girls from barstool in avalon when we had the barstool golf outing that uh smitty used to run uh and they almost didn't let trent in because they couldn't find an id in their little binder full of all the state's ids that matched his the iowa one just because iowa has weird ids i guess. And they were saying, like, you got to let Trent into the bar.

You know he's 21. But let's get into some of this nerd shit. We have two really good things. We have two, like, things that excite me, and then we have one, obviously, that is tearing us up. It's the first thing we think of when we wake up, the last thing we think of when we go to sleep right now. It's just horrible. First off, Masters of the Universe is coming back. Now, I don't know anything about Masters of the Universe, and I literally mean that. The extent

of my knowledge, I know She-Ra is a person, I know He-Man is a person, I know Skeletor is a person, and I know Greyskull is where this all takes place. And from my understanding, He-Man is like Superman in that he has like a secret identity, and he can turn into He-Man at any time. I don't know anything about He-Man, but the reason I bring it up, the reason I'm excited about it is because Kevin Smith is the showrunner for it. So he was obviously a big fan growing up of Masters of the Universe and He-Man. And they are going to be developing this Netflix cartoon that is picking up right where the original cartoon left off with a team of writers that I'm also big fans of some writers from Supergirl, some writers that have worked with Kevin Smith in the past. Are you a masters of the universe guy at all? Was that your era, Clem? Robbie, I wasn't

a masters of universe guy. I was the masters of the universe guy. This is perfect. Little, little background from, from little, little Clem back when he was, you he was a little four-year-old running around in Siena. I had a fucking – I had a sword that I would put in my back of my shirt. My mom – my dad told it at my wedding when he did like the speech during the wedding. And I would go, I am – by the powers of the power of grace, I am the power. And I would just do this to like everyone and just like the idiot kid at like a party or whenever guests were over. And I just literally like – I'd get up. You put your little just like the idiot kid at like a party or whenever guests were over. And I just literally like I get up. You put your little He-Man underwear on.

You put on your shorts, your shirt, and I would just throw the shirt, the sword right in the back. Like it was part of my wardrobe every single day. He-Man was my world. Like because I think He-Man was one of the cartoons from back in the day. The way they used to do it is they would create the toys first and then create a cartoon around the toys to sell them to idiot american kids like me and it worked because i had every fucking he-man i had castle gray skull which was the shit um i don't even know if kids play with toys like that anymore like we have seen as a couple things but you would get the base then there was like skeletor who was he-man's yeah i don't know what you know but skeletor is his because he has the coolest look ever i mean like that's an action figure that I would definitely buy.

And that kid with him running away is hilarious too. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, huge Masters of the Universe guy. And I'm also – I always feel like I'm the nostalgic guy at Barstool. There's always like blogs like I can't wait for this to come out and like completely mark out over it. This is something I am legitimately excited for and I always forget to watch these things whenever they actually air because i have a million other things going on but this is something like i can then have my son i'll raise my son on the same stuff i was raised on i loved it man orco i remember he was like uh like he man's like it's kind of like his r2d2 i guess

you consider he's this little fucking weirdo spirit guy there's a lot of shit and the thing is i don't know how much stuff kevin smith has done over the years that is like a nostalgia project that he brought back. But I feel completely like safe with it being in his hands and this group of writers. I don't know as much. But if you co-sign them, I co-sign them. I cannot wait. So the way they announced this was cool. They announced it at PowerCon, which is actually a Masters of the Universe Comic Con.

It's basically Star Wars Celebration but just for that universe that franchise and they basically said someone came to kevin smith like this the guy that runs it basically went to netflix and said how can we bring this back there there's such a big fan base of masters of the universe still to this day that want to see it brought back in some capacity and they said let's try to find someone that is willing to showrun it. They came to Kevin Smith with the idea, and he is all about it. He was a big Masters fan when he was a kid, and he said, don't expect this to be like,

Kevin Smith's take on Masters of the Universe. He's like, we are giving the fans exactly what they want. The animation team said that apparently back in the day they couldn't show as many fights, and they couldn't show as much violence, I guess, on okay and they're like oh we're showing it they're like we are giving you all the fights that you wanted to see so i'd assume i i think i was talking to coley about this i think it'll be very force awakens-esque in blueprint of being you know that soft reboot where force awakens has a lot of story beats that are very similar to a new hope they pay homage but also

bring in a new generation i think that's the way you go with this and we're gonna have to definitely do some kind of catch-up um with masters of the universe and maybe maybe refresh your memory a little bit before this cartoon happens i've also looked into what i hear is maybe the best worst movie of all time and it's the live action he-man with uh i've never seen that and to be honest with you like this refresh i don't remember i remember the cartoons a little bit but i like you know you're just a kid you just stared and like that guy looks fucking awesome and it looks a little metal-ish too you know it looks like just based on the pictures you're seeing a little like a meatloaf bat out of hell yes exactly that's a

perfect uh see that's see robbie a 21 year old should not be making those kind of things i that bouncer knew what he was doing when he kicked you out of that bar. But yeah, that's the perfect way to describe it. And like you said, Kevin Smith, it won't be like He-Man and Orko just sitting out front smoking cigarettes outside. Although it would be fucking awesome if it was. I'm in for that one. Sign me up. Another cool return we got that was completely out of the blue.

I don't think anyone saw this coming. I don't think there were any rumors in regards to this. The Matrix is back. And we've talked about this on My Mom's Basement. When someone said, which franchise would you like to see rebooted? My answer was The Matrix. And my original pitch was just reboot that universe. I don't need to see Neo.

I don't need to see Morpheus. I don't need to see anybody. I just want to see that universe because I really love that. I love the first two movies. I would say the third one I feel the same way about as everyone does. The first movie in particular, but when I was younger I wound up being Neo for Halloween when I was six years old in first grade. And none of my classmates knew who I was. Only the teachers did. And even they were like, we should have a word with your parents. But I'm stoked about this. Keanu's back.

Morpheus is not back because I believe they're doing some kind of storyline where it's going to be a young Morpheus. They're alluding to that. But pretty much everyone else is back in this movie. And I'm very excited. I mean, obviously, the resurgence of Keanu Reeves' career has been insane. And probably, I would assume, the only reason why this movie is happening. I'm very happy that you're back at five years old. You're already corrupted by, you know, movies and entertainment.

Because I always thought, like, once, because Robbie, you were reading Barstool way too young, too. Like, Mama Fox is a great woman she definitely like there was some you fell through a couple she also took me to see stepbrothers in theaters when I was like 10 it's like mom mom I'm with you though like I actually think that movies that really like bomb on the third you know part of a trilogy like you kind of have like the right to either reboot make a sequel like at that point you've already kind of like i i hate to say it but they kind of ruined the franchise for me that third one i i'm a guy that like i loved how i made your mother was a show i loved

i hated the last season and now when i re-watch it it kind of like sours me because i know how everything ends and it's kind of the same with the matrix like the first one was such a hit like because i remember when the first one came out i was kind of out of the same with the Matrix. Like the first one was such a hit because I remember when the first one came out, I was kind of out of the blue. I became such like a monster hit. And then the second one came out. It definitely was a little disappointing for me, but it was because I love the first one so much. And then the third one was like, oh, we're going like, you know, the M. Night Shyamalan direction here. And we just fell off a cliff.

And like at this point, if four stinks, it stinks. If it's good, like it'll kind of like save face which i think since harleywood doesn't think of like anything new these days you kind of can just do whatever you want and uh like i'm not gonna get mad that they're i don't feel like they're like you know going back to the well for something that like doesn't need it who cares at this point if it stinks and if you're smart you do the john wick formula and you really load this thing up with insane action scenes i mean the last matrix movie was how many years ago now 15 years ago maybe the last one we're going on something like that i would assume yeah why not be like hey here's how technology and cgi has advanced in the last 15 years and here's how

we're gonna fucking use in the matrix universe and just blow our mind with visuals and then have a decent storyline you know i don't know just figure something out it's not that hard i'm this like my brain is clearly not pop right now because i was like yeah like like something like that with like if john we can do that with keanu reeves and i'm like oh wait keanu is in the fucking matrix you idiot um because like that that like slow motion stop motion whatever it was was like you know mind-blowing back in whenever it was in 99 it came out yeah the first one so think about it exactly 20 years later or whatever this is going to be when it came out yeah the first one so think about it you say exactly 20 years later or whatever this is going to be when it comes out oh man but don't don't do the

george lucas prequels or it's like oh now we have all this technology let's just use only that and not work you need to give us some sort of story because like the the thing that really you know the matrix is when you're like oh are we living in a simulation and then it just blows your mind up like you need to keep like that kind of like story or some sort of thing that has a hook for us to care about it. Here's my one worry, Clem, about this whole movie. Did you see the pictures from Bill and Ted 3 of Keanu shaved? Yes. It's a weird look.

It's a very weird look. And if he's going to be Neo, he's kind of got to like shave and cut his hair, right? That comes down to whoever's writing the screenplay and just give us a reason why Neo now has a beard. Just make him fucking look like John Wick, man. Make him look like John Wick. Do like a Parent Trap thing and have Neo fucking fight John Wick. Yeah, or just be like his username in the Matrix is John underscore Wick, and he is John Wick. Just make John with four basically.

I don't know. I don't know. They'll figure that out. Let's shift gears now to the Spider-Man Marvel Sony dilemma, the drama, the conundrum, if you will. We were informed on, what, Tuesday now that Spider-Man will no longer be appearing in any MCU movies after Disney and Sony failed to come to a deal on the character. So the way the deal worked in the past, to bring you all the way back, when Marvel was going bankrupt,

in the 90s as a comic company, they tried to sell all their movie rights to Sony. And that was going to be their way out of bankruptcy. Sony took Spider-Man and said, you could keep literally everyone else. They're a bunch of losers. They'll never amount to anything. We don't want them. We just want Spider-Man. We want all the properties connected to him. They took him. They obviously made the Tobey Maguire movies, the Andrew Garfield movies. Mixed bag there. Some of the Tobey Maguire

ones are good. The Andrew Garfield ones, not so good. Eventually, after The Amazing Spider-Man 2, when they seemingly killed that character's legacy or came very close to doing so, they leased the character out to Disney. Disney retained 5% of the profits on the Sony movies. They are technically Sony movies. But Spider-Man was allowed to appear in Civil War, The Avengers, the MCU. You're allowed to reference him. You're allowed to use his villains. You're allowed to use everything like that. So when it came time to release Far From Home, it was also time to renegotiate the deal. And I think it's Amy Pascal who runs Sony said, if it doesn't make a billion dollars, these are going to be like legit negotiations. The movie made 1.2 billion and they wound up

flipping it anyway and saying, fuck it, let's go into negotiations. Disney wants 50% of profits going forward and they also want to put in 50% for these movies. And Sony didn't even counter offer. They said, no way. We're taking our ball. We're going home. A lot of speculation right now is that Sony wants to build a universe of their own with the Venom movie, bring Tom Holland into that. Obviously, this fucking sucks for nerds. And a lot of people will point to the Disney acquisition of Fox, and they'll say that was really bad for the movie industry. It's bad for original stories. It's bad for indie filmmakers.

It's bad for this, that, the next thing. I understand all of that. I understand how it could be bad for the economy, having a monopoly on the industry like this, whatever. I don't give a shit. I don't care. I just care about Disney making good movies I watch those good movies Sony makes pretty bad movies

although they did I will hand up I haven't admitted this until very recently they knocked it out of the park with Into the Spider-Verse obviously they were capable for that one but I'm pissed man I'm pissed I want to fight Sony Pictures at Rough and Rowdy

I understand that Disney may have been greedy looking for 50%. They were going to put in 50% though, and here's my thing. Spider-Man and the MCU, Far From Home, just made $1.2 billion. A lot of that probably success to Endgame, right? And how much we love Spider-Man, how much we love Tom Holland's Spider-Man. It came right off the heels of Endgame, and it was kind of an epilogue like we discussed. And if you haven't heard our podcast on Far From Home, you could go back, listen to that. We did a whole show on it.

It's a good episode. If they were to make a Spider-Man movie now with Sony Pictures, I don't know if it would make $600 million. I think it would, but I think there could be a revolt. I think there could be backlash. And I think at that point, like, all right, a Spider-Man movie making $600 million, that would be probably considered a bomb for a Spider-Man movie. So it's probably unlikely. But, like, is it going to make $800 million? And if so, is that worth it to risk a potential bomb and a potential ending of this franchise that is

currently throwing a perfect game is that worth it for just a little more percentage that we got some questions that we'll get to later but I want to throw it to you Clem what are your thoughts on this whole drama yeah I I also think that we're not just you know completely gonna bash Tony because like if like being like oh Disney those people that don't care about money and never are looking to squeeze every dollar everything it's like clearly i work for espn for like eight years and i got to see what disney's like and it's not all just you know mickey mouse whistling on a fucking boat you know i wasn't blaming the mouse someone said you got to blame the mouse a little bit i said i'm not blaming the mouse i'm not blaming the mouse i said they gave us endgame i'll never blame the mouse for anything ever again the mouse could take my first

born i'd be like oh they gave us endgame i mean yeah never blame the mouse for anything ever again. The mouse could take my firstborn. I'd be like, oh, they gave us Endgame. I mean, yeah. It's like whoever signs Kevin Feige's checks is cool with me, right? So that's kind of what it comes down to. But like, yeah, I mean, fuck Sony. It's – and they can make – I love that you just went from like we're not going to bash Sony. You're like, no, no, but fuck Sony and next month.

I said I am not drafting Sony and Michelle on any of my fantasy teams, and I'm going to tweet and send me pictures every single time I lose by like whatever the difference between Sony Michelle and whoever that pick was. I love it. They are the ones like, you know, they they got the help. They brought Marvel brought Spider-Man back to life. And now Sony like they may get that six hundred thousand seven seven six hundred million seven hundred million dollar movie. But it's just it's going to be like with the Matrix. It's going to they're going to start going back to whatever they did, where that the reason Marvel had to come in and save it. And in the end, I do think there is a part of Marvel that like kind of needs.

Like they were kind of turning Spider-Man into like we said, he's kind of going to become the new Tony Stark in this universe. And they didn't even own it. But if Marvel has to scramble, they scramble to get to where Endgame was without Spider-Man, without the whole MCU, without Spider-Man, without X-Men, without Fantastic Four, all this stuff. And a lot – so a lot of those characters – you know, Mr. Fantastic, he was a big part of the Infinity Saga in the comic books and they still made it work without him. And they're going to – it's going to suck for – the only people who lose here is really us because Disney is still going to make a billion – a billion dollars. I can't even say a billion because we broke that with the fucking Terminator Cameron.

And Sony Pictures is still going to be able to just bleed whatever they can get out of Spider-Man and probably make shittier movies than it could be. And like people who are complaining about like monopolies and stuff, like it's not like no one else can make a superhero movie. It's just people have to be smarter with it. There's a whole universe in DC that needs to be tapped. They have that. There's – like it's DC that needs to be tapped. They have that. There's – like it's not like Madden where no one can make an NFL game with NFL licenses. You just have to think of different ways to make superheroes. It's not like they have a monopoly on the actual superhero industry.

So – and again, I also like – I don't want to just be completely pro-Disney because I do think there's probably – again, I asked you. I said, is this a negotiation tactic? Yeah. Or is this something that – I thought that as well. Yeah. Like the way it leaked to the public and everything and it definitely could have been. I saw someone tweet this as well and it's on the point that you're disgusting.

Someone was like, Disney has convinced everyone that nobody else could make good superhero movies and it's not true. Sony could do this. Sony could do that. I'm not saying Sony is immediately going to turn around and create a horrible Spider-Man movie. I don't know what's going to happen. I don't even know if Tom Holland wants to return. You know what I mean?

Like Tom Holland's dad was tweeting last night, like hashtag save Spider-Man or whatever. Here's my thing. It's just a mess already. Like you would have to be crazy not to realize that. If they went to Sony, they wouldn't be able to talk about him becoming the next Tony Stark. He wouldn't have Happy Hogan by his side.

They probably wouldn't be able to reference the cliffhanger at the end of the last movie because I don't know if J.K. Simmons would come back. I don't know if J.K. Simmons belongs to Sony. I don't know if he belongs to – I guess he probably – or J. Jonah Jameson probably does belong to Sony being he was in the Tobey Maguire movies. But like everything about that, like we discussed, Sinister Six have been building up slowly, you know, but surely. That might not happen because someone like Gyllenhaal, we talked about, signed on thinking he's in the MCU. He crushes it. Everyone, you know, has given him this major praise. Gyllenhaal crushes it as Mysterio. Now he's maybe going to be in the Venom universe.

Like I don't think that guy comes back. So I don't know what's going to happen. But if you don't realize that this has created a whole muddy mess for not only the Spider-Man universe but the MCU, you're crazy. Yeah, and again, there's going to be people like – I didn't even see any of the Garfield movies because I was like, fuck that. I saw the reviews from them. They were terrible. You're going to have to run. My mind, by the way, I got to stop you.

My mind just stopped, and I forgot Andrew garfield played spider-man and i was like wait why the fuck are you talking about garfield there were two garfield animated movies and i was like did clem just have a stroke on my podcast would you put a past only to putting the actual garfield into like the garfield cat into the spider-man movies no i wouldn't because before they fucking gave it to Disney and Tom Holland, they wanted him vaping at EDM concerts. They were like that's what millennials are into right now. They said Generation Z.

They love these raves. They love these electro concerts, and they love e-cigarettes. So let's have Spider-Man be – oh, and they want him to be a hashtag NBD kind of guy. They said I see all these workout pictures. These were in the – this is the – remember the Sony emails? These emails, they said all these workout pictures. These were in the – this is the – remember the Sony emails? These emails, they said – That's right. They said, I see a lot of kids posting nowadays, a lot of teenagers posting workout pictures with the hashtag NBD.

NBD because it's not a big deal that they work out. I think Spider-Man should be like this. It's like, what the fuck are you talking about? You don't know what Spider-Man is. I honestly came to the point where I'm convinced that they see – if you go on reddit like all the toby maguire memes that they have like especially like the marvel uh students thing where they're just like kind of like tongue-in-cheek putting all the old stupid spider-man shit in i bet like the people are on there all the spider-man all the sony people are like i don't know they're kind of this tony

mcguire the toby mcguire spider-man's kind of getting a second life like let's see what he's doing right now we'll bring him back if tom holland doesn't want to do it and it's like i almost would love for that to happen imagine a fourth reboot in like 20 years that would be fucking insane if uncle ben another actor you can't keep killing killing uncle ben you can't do it and we need a hashtag like hashtag keep uncle ben alive or hashtag don't kill Uncle Ben again. Like, just please let the man hashtag let Uncle Ben rest. Yes. Let Uncle Ben rest. Or maybe let Uncle Ben RIP. We have some questions. So let's let's go through these questions, because I'm sure this is, you know, our way of basically hitting on all of the different points of this whole thing. Irby28 wrote in, he said,

if the conflict isn't resolved, and he said, I'm pretty sure they'll get a deal done, do you think not having Spidey will hurt the MCU storyline? I do not. Not drastically, obviously. They can move on. Like you said, they scrambled. They do things without characters.

But it does hurt in the way that he was supposed to be the next Tony Stark, and everyone's just not going to be able to reference him anymore and he has you know one of the grandest returns in Endgame he has the saddest death in Infinity War he he's become a very big part of this universe he's one of the most beloved characters in the entire universe as evident by his movie making a billion dollars pretty much immediately so I think it will hurt the MCU storyline I guess you know the in-universe explanation is he got his identity outed and he fell off the face of the earth. He it just says like player 23 or you know john dow they just make up a name for him like it's like it's the same and they'll just you know they're gonna get all the i mean we were marking out at all the crazy ass shit that they in that announcement right for phase four so they'll just flood us with all that

stuff they'll throw the fantastic four and like you just say all right we're just gonna take wolverine or cyclops and they'll kind of just be like whatever spider-man was going to do and we're going to our brains are so overloaded with like greatness right now we'll be fine with it but it's just like it's something to be like ah spider-man would have been really cool there and no one wins in this that's the problem that's why everyone's losing their mind and it's again i can't believe it's if it's five percent is where like the share was to then 50 like Like, isn't that just negotiation? 30%, 35. Like at some point, can't we just, can't we just get along?

That's what I feel. And it's actually great you said that. The next question is from Matt Norton. He said, how likely is it that Disney is just setting the bar for their negotiations ridiculously high so that Sony will accept a deal with something like 15% or 10% profit sharing? That was my big thing is, yeah, 50% is a crazy bump from five percent but isn't that how you negotiate like you don't start crazy high the only person who doesn't do that confuse the shit out of me dave porno is the only one who's like yeah or no like he just that's how he does how he negotiates and granted he's got the work he has because of it but like also all of us when we get it we get

in front of him for a job interview we're like we'll do anything we'll suck your dick yeah dave like how much can i pay you to for me to blog on barstool sports basically it's how my negotiation absolutely so i i i don't know i feel like disney's like their negotiating guy is probably literally like dr evil we're like i want a hundred billion zillion dollars yeah and like the thing is all that they could just be like all right now look at like what we just did the last 11 years with the MCU and built it from the point where you guys didn't even want these characters to where it is now. So it's kind of like I see both sides where they're coming from, but I also hate both sides that it's gotten to this point. So, again, Tom Holland, just like make him choose. And we only.

Yeah. Yeah. And the fence is Tom. choose and we only defenses yeah yeah and the fences tom um another thing they might have you know you just said that maybe they'll announce like we're ramping up x-men or we're ramping up this without spider-man d23 is going on as we speak right now so i could see a world in which and jeff d low said the exact same thing from lights camera barstool uh rate subscribe review all that for their podcast as well kevin feige i could see him being like fuck it we're doing a power play let's's announce Fantastic Four

at D23. Let's just hit him over the head with like, hey, guess what? We're still on top and we're still not missing you or whatever. This is like the nerdy version of Entourage where it's like, this is how things get, you get to see behind the scenes. I love it. Cameron Ramos says, you both have position

of Kevin Feige's job. How do you handle the loss of Spidey in the MCU? Do you pretend nothing happened or what backstory would you give for him leaving? I kind of just said it. I think I would say like he got his identity revealed and then he disappeared. We don't know where he is. And then you leave the door open. Maybe we could bring him back.

Maybe we can negotiate a deal. We could bring him back there. I don't know. I'd be like that arachnid motherfucker is dead. I killed him. I love your next villain. You'd kill him off? Yeah, he's covered in blood and you have brown hair, little mats of hair kind of deal.

You obviously can't say Spider-Man or show him. But whoever our next villain is, start him off with, I just killed Spider-Man's ass. I killed Parker. Yeah. Maybe it's J. Jonah. The other thing that I was saying is I don't know if this is in his contract if this stops us but we hire tom holland to be the human torch and oh yeah and then it's like oh well you know i don't i know there has to be if sony didn't put in his magic that he couldn't be any you know

blocked him from being a superhero in any other movie that would be the dumbest thing ever there is something in that contract i bet they have contracts like that nowadays okay did you read the article about the uh action movie contracts nowadays about how like uh i think vin diesel and like jason statham and the rock they all have these clauses in their contract that like they can't get punched a certain amount of times their characters can't get punched a certain amount of times in movies because they have to look like strong for their next movie it's basically like pro wrestling mentality of like, you got to put me over. That's crazy. I didn't know about that.

So if we can't do the Chris, a very interesting article about it. And like people that go back and they're like, look at Indiana Jones, look at John McClane, look at all these other heroes. Like they get their asses kicked. That's what, that's why we love them is because like they take the easy way out. They get their asses kicked. Like they just's why we love them is because like they take the easy way out they get their asses kicked like they just they're trying to survive so if i'll link to that article on my twitter or something it's worth checking out if so if you can't do the chris evans like you know human torch and captain america this is what you do another pro wrestling thing pro

wrestling is everything like that whole like life is pro wrestling stone cold steve austin isn't stone cold steve austin if he just kicks everyone's ass, if he's Goldberg, right? Goldberg was Goldberg. He didn't lose. Steve Austin was the guy who bled out and passed out. That's why we love him. All right. So this is what we're doing.

We're doing the old fake Razor Ramon, fake Diesel. We're getting Tom Holland's doppelganger. We're not saying the word Spider-Man. We're not saying Peter Parker. And he just gets his slit throat and we just leave it at that. Whoever – Dr. Doom, whoever we want our next villain to be, Magneto, he's going to kill the fuck out of fake Tom Holland. I don't hate it. I don't hate it. I just thought this was funny.

Tanner Eccerson wrote in and – or Erickson wrote in and said, how many drugs do – or how much drugs do I need to take just to see Spider-Man in all future Marvel movies even if he's not there? A lot, my man. A lot. A lot. my man, a lot. A lot, probably some mushrooms, maybe some crazy stuff. I liked this one as well. Chuck said, what are the chances that Disney is even discussing

just buying the license outright? Definitely not even in the discussions. I don't think that would be legally able to happen. Look at how long the Fox deal took. That was years in the making for that to get approved by government and shit. So don't think that'll happen don't keep your hopes up um i love that people are like they're complaining about um you know monopolies and all that shit for all marvel characters they were all made by marvel like spider-man like didn't get created

on his own by sony it's like this all came from stanley and all his people's brains and we're like oh they can't have all their characters it's like what are came from Stan Lee and all his people's brains. And we're like, oh, they can't have all their characters. It's like, what are you talking about? And let me just say, let me just say this. Shame on you, Sony. Shame on you, Disney. Because I don't think Stan Lee is having fun looking down right now and watching you guys tug over my man, Peter Parker, over my man, Spider-Man.

This is like, this is, yeah, his kid, his kid is being torn apart. And this is like, I feel like this has to be his favorite kid, right? Like Peter Parker had to be his favorite kid. Like that was him. So it's like – so this one hurts. It's like let the parents fight each other for custody for like the shittier kids. Like just be nice to Pete. He's a kid from Queens.

He's a common man. He's a Mets fan. This is life as a Mets fan right here. No better than like you get that taste of fucking success and it gets ripped away from you. It's like we're throwing a perfect game and it's like no more Spider-Man. How about that? How about you don't even fucking get Spider-Man anymore? Fucking outrageous.

I wish those post-credit scenes never happened now because that was the perfect way. It was not right. It was not right. I'm going to have blue balls for the rest of my life. Kyle says, let's say the deal is totally off the table. Who does Disney get to step up and take Spider-Man's place? Do they emphasize someone we know like Scarlet Witch or Doctor Strange? Or do they let someone new step up and lead like Shang-Chi or somebody?

So we've been talking about this a lot over the course of the episode. But he's asking for, I guess, a specific person. I'll say I hope to God their plans aren't like, what about the kid from Iron Man 3? Fuck that. Oh, God, no. Fuck that kid. Fuck that kid. I don't even want to put that energy out into the universe.

Fuck the kid from Iron Man 3. Hashtag fuck the kid from Iron Man 3. That's another hashtag for us. But my pick for this, and people will be like, people might roll their eyes, but I've said it on the podcast before, would be Shuri. I think Shuri is your next tech genius, next Tony Stark if you need to make someone, if you need to put someone in that role. But realistically, I wouldn't do the control F name or place with anyone at Peter Parker. I would kind of, for at least a couple of years, let the who's going to be the next Tony Stark storyline kind of fade off. Yeah. I'm surprised I didn't see more pictures of peter park turning pre-departed

turning to dust i know i tried to get uh i tried to get the first what do you call a screenshot of i lost the kid from avengers endgame and i tried to hit like the kevin feige you know coming back to disney after negotiations and as soon as i tweeted i got like 10 tweets and they were like everyone beat you to the punch man the internet's too good good i hate when that happens um yeah the only like the only person that kind of makes sense it's like it's basically pot because we know all the marvel people right and it's like again we have new people coming in like you can just kind of pivot to like i said mr fantastic because he is smart and he's gonna be obviously a big part but he's just not as cool as spider-man that's the one thing about the the fan even if you throw

jim halpert in there like we've been saying like it's not just like someone my age can relate to spider-man and peter parker right like he's like the most relatable character in the mcu for me maybe other than like scott lang you can't have a human torch go and be that guy like like everyone like that's the thing is spider-man is again going back to wrestling he's like the guy who competes for the heavyweight title he He's like a tier one scum. Yeah, he's a main eventer. And like you can't have guys who are like fighting for the Intercontinental or the European champ. I don't even know what belts are even in wrestling anymore.

But that's what was really like hardcore wrestling championship guys. Like we need a main eventer to take – to fill that role. And there's really nothing like Spider-Man out there that I could think of just based on like, you know, end game, just turn the entire universe upside down. And there's a lot and, you know, there's just not like and the thing is like Sienna knew who Spider-Man was without somehow ever watching any of his movies or any of the Marvel movies. It's just there's just certain characters that just kind of fuck it. That's what Marvel should do. Buy the DC universe and just throw Superman in there.

Just fuck everything. Sony will die. It'll bleed out. Yeah. And then we got a bunch of questions saying like, would you do um if you know if you had to make it work if you're sony you have to make this work you kind of alluded to this before and caleb breslin wrote in with my favorite idea he said is it too late to create the in real life spiderverse with garfield mcguire holland miles and all versus Venom and company. Sounds kind of awesome.

I've said, I said on KFC Radio, if Sony goes forward with this, if they don't come to a resolution, which I do firmly, my heart of hearts believe they will come to a resolution. I think there's too much money on the table for them working together, not to, you know, to turn down, I guess. But that would be awesome. I did say on KFC radio um if Sony goes forward with this and they make a Tom Holland

Spider-Man movie where they're just like nope we're not referencing anything that happened in the last two movies we're not referencing the fact that this kid died and came back to life and has fought with the Avengers and has been to space and all that shit I don't think I see the movie no I don't think I go see I didn't go like

and people will call my bluff or something i didn't go see venom i still haven't seen venom i don't give a fuck yeah i didn't see venom either and i like i was excited about the idea of it and i was like oh fuck that we'll get we'll throw some hashtags we killed james cameron we terminated his ass you don't know what we're gonna do next you don't know what you're gonna do next year my mom's we can't get a comic-con uh badge but we you know we'll terminate some shit we're gonna have like i said we're gonna have to become you know the brady four will be the spidey too we'll go to disney we'll camp out we'll do a five minute video we'll go to star wars land and then we'll leave

we'll go to did you see that there's um like an area 51 thing where they want to storm sony and i'm like this is where we've gone to as a culture now where we just say we're going to storm things i kind of i do I kind of love it too. It's just like, I feel like we need the heads of Sony and the heads of Disney to sit down and just a couple of fans who are completely unbiased for the most part because everyone's going to love the MCU and Marvel and be like, listen, you guys have to do this for the

betterment of your children, whether it's Spider-Man and the rest of us. It would be like if Barstool Van Talk, they're like, alright, we're going to keep Barstool Van Talk, but Dan, PFT, andank can no longer be a part of it and we're gonna just have these personalities do it it would have been the worst show of all time if they had done that and they're like no barstool people are allowed to be a part of this because you know we had like the first episode and now we're just gonna go from there like it's so fucking stupid it makes my head hurt rob it makes my head hurt too so let's stop talking about it that's the end of the questions

we're nearing the end of this podcast. But I believe you got a few things for me. All right. So this one came from – I don't have the name here. I got to look it up. But someone tweeted us. Who wins – this is almost like a My Mom's Basin original. Who wins in a fight?

Who wins in a fight? It said Star Wars versus Guardians. So I'm guessing we're saying the core Guardians that are alive now. We'll throw Gamora in there. Spoiler alert for anyone who hasn't watched Infinity War versus the Star Wars. And we'll say like the good guy trio from the original trilogy, Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie, R2-D2, C-3PO versus the Guardians. This is tricky, and I got a similar question this week on Twitter. Someone said, who would you rather be, Han Solo or Peter Quill?

I said Han Solo without hesitation. I love Peter Quill. I really, really do. But, I mean, Han's got fucking Chewie as a sidekick. He's got the Falcon. You can't beat that. So it's tricky because as much as I love the Guardians, I don't think you beat Luke with the Force. I think that's such a big factor that I don't think you beat luke with the force i think that's

such a big factor that i don't know what you could do to to combat that i i'm right there with you i said luke with the force is just a complete now the only force and then mix in like the the strategic planning of han and chewy with r2 and c3po running fucking technicals crunch numbers my guy big bob big shot rob that's fucking uh what's his name that's r2d2 he always comes 3PO running fucking technicals, crunching numbers. My guy, Big Bob, Big Shot Rob. That's fucking, what's his name? That's R2-D2. He always comes through in the clutch. Having him is like the X factor.

But Luke is the, fuck, I said Big Shot Rob. It's Big Shot Bob. I was looking at you. I said Rob. It's the name Big Shot Bob, and I hate Robert Oren for that. Anyway, Luke Skywalker having the Force and the lightsaber is such a complete game changer. Now, this is the only caveat if quill at this point if he is before he loses god status he loses like the ego side of

him that's the only thing that could kind of like you know dusty this up a little bit but he never was able to to like tap into that and use it to his advantage other than that main fight with ego right so it's like you'd have to catch him in a really good time for him to be activating those powers exactly so i think just because of that because luke goes through that entire time where he knows the force and let's just be honest here i know she's your girl and all gamora kills the shit out of leia even even though she got leia's got to stay back in the ship. Like I love Leia and that sounds maybe misogynistic to say especially after Luke and Han go to save her and she winds up saving them. But she can't fuck with Gamora.

Gamora is like a trained assassin. She's one of the most feared assassins in the entire galaxy. Leia can patch in maybe the outer rim, maybe get some support like that. But we're going to use you as a princess leia even if she gets her ass like killed like she can do her little mary poppins thing like even that's not going to do it like she'll cut you to ribbons so yeah i think we have to go i think we have to go star wars though i think we gotta go star wars yeah and that's and i've always said star wars is my number one over everything else but that that's not my bias showing if i thought the guardians could beat my squad from star wars i would say it yep i think that i have nerd integrity like that

yes exactly exactly nerd integrity i like that all right and this was the second question sienna asked this question yesterday she goes daddy how many guardians are there and i like five or six or you know it depends on what when you're getting the Guardians of what iteration. And she goes, how many Avengers are there? So this is my question. Who can put the word Avenger on their resume? How many people can actually put the word Avenger on their resume? Holy shit. This is a big one.

There's so many people. And we're talking MCU version, right? Yep. So are we talking – so the Core Six, right? We have the – The Core Six, undoubtedly, yes. Iron Man, Captain Americaica hawkeye black widow hulk and thor yep no doubt about it and then you have to look into the extended ones where you bring in a couple more people with age of ultron hawkeye makes that speech in age of ultron where

he's like if you go out there and you fight you're an avenger um so he kind of grants, I guess, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver that power. Quicksilver, see ya. Scarlet Witch, Vision, without a doubt. Spider-Man obviously gets the nod in Infinity War. Bucky Barnes, yes. Sam Wilson, yes. War Machine, yes. Nick Fury, he's like the leader of the avengers so yes yes he's obviously associated um shabatsky robin shabatsky yes uh i don't know her name what's her name in the thing she has like a spanish name in it uh the girl nick fury is number one a spanish name maria hill maria maria yeah right no i don't think so i think it's italian isn't it ital, right? No. I don't think so. I think it's Italian. Isn't it Italian? Maria.

Maria. Hey, don't you talk about my people. Hey, hey. Don't give Maria to the Spanish. That's an Italian name. Who else? I mean, I'm sure we're forgetting it. Like Black Panther, yeah.

Well, this is the thing because we do hear like a lot of Marquesas at some point. Yeah, because it's like, is Shuri an Avenger? No. But Black Panther is. So you're putting Black Panther in the squad, okay? And then Ant-Man. Yes. I would say Ant-Man is officially an Avenger after – You wore the suit.

If you had the suit with the A on it, I guess that would have been – Like Nebula though? Like I would put Nebula as like – Wow! Wow, you're giving Nebula – But Like I would put Nebula as like – Wow! Wow, you're giving Nebula – But here's my thinking and it's – No, you know what? I'm not going to give Nebula that because she survives at the end and she doesn't like flip.

I was thinking X2 and I was thinking when Magneto and Mystique helped the X-Men. I was thinking like I wouldn't call them X-Men just because they were helping them out. But she does stick with them afterwards. So I would say she's an Avenger, yeah. But does she go off with the Guardians? But so does Rocket? Because Rocket's in the same boat, right? Is he an Avenger?

See, I wouldn't say Rocket's an Avenger. I would say he's a Guardian. But I think you could put them both on the resume. You have both of the things. Boom, boom. I would say Rocket like was an Avenger. Kind of going back to Van Talk, like Dan and PFT were technically like ESPN employees for a minute there. Like that goes on the resume, I think.

I guess you're right. So I guess, yeah, Nebula and Rocket get both. But it's like you're not – this thing is like are you Avengers, but you can put it on the resume? I don't – I honestly – then it's like who is the first one that just missed the cut? Who's like the notable – Maybe if someone went up to Rocket and they were like, yo, Rocket Raccoon, are you an Avenger? I honestly – then it's like who is the first one that just missed the cut? Who's like the notable – Maybe if someone went up to Rocket and they were like, yo, Rocket Raccoon, are you an Avenger? I would assume he'd be like, no, I'm a Guardian of the Galaxy, but I was an Avenger at one point.

OK. So he kind of like sheds it. Yeah. I think that's how it would play out with him. I think that's how it would play out with Nebula. I think they view like – I think they had like a time in the Avengers, but they're Guardians of the Galaxy. Maybe it's like a player's on the Rangers for a long time. He goes to another team.

He comes back to the Rangers, and he's like, yeah, I was on Columbus for a little bit, but I'm on the New York Rangers now. Now, like I know I would have felt awkward, but like if I was there and fucking that hammer hits his hand and he says assemble and i was one of the people in that within earshot i'm like that goes on my resume i was an avenger if i'm like dr strange right dr strange gets a nod um just but like does wong get a nod i think he should yeah but like what is like like korg is korg an avenger no probably not right he's just like i hate it he's my sweet prince but can't give him avenger status but like even i guess at that point you give valkyrie you don't give long status at that point right i don't think he can but yeah i guess it's like come up clutch with the avengers a bunch

he saved tony stark's life in infinity war got that wedding invite but i don't think he's an avenger valkyrie yeah and probably not. I think she's just like Thor's help. Rescue? Yeah. What if Gwyneth comes up and Gwyneth Paltrow? I feel like she's not either. Yeah. I feel like if she wanted to be, they would be like, you're a widow, so we'll give you an honorary one-day contract.

And she could retire on that. The Avengers would do the right thing. They would do the right thing for sure, but we would all know at heart. Who else are we forgetting? I know we're forgetting. I'm trying to think like Civil War. Who were the two sides? I'm going through like the funeral scene, and I'm trying to think of like who was there and like where it kind of like starts and ends.

Like Hank Pym isn't – I don't think Hank Pym is. But like the Wasp? No, she's not either because she hasn't really worked with the Avengers other than the final battle scene in Endgame. Yeah, you have – I think that's that's probably where it is. You have to you have to have done more before the final battle scene to have at least a chance to making the event. Right. And then here's another question while we're on the subject. Are we Avengers for what we did in the Terminate Cameron movie?

I think I think we might be Avengers. I mean, we terminated Cameron. We said what we were going to do. We said whatever it takes. We did whatever it took. We spent about a billion dollars going back to that movie you know i there there is something to be said that we did more for the cause than people that just fought in the final battle so we're in that gray area between the people that were like traveling back in time and going through the whole quantum yeah yeah yeah and fighting like the most terrifying

army the world has ever seen we're kind of in the middle there robbie so we are captain marvel we forgot to say her i would say she's i mean definitely an avenger the first avenger yes she's definitely avenger 100 the team was named after her yeah so uh peggy carter not an avenger just gonna throw that out there just want to put that out there now if we're gonna tony stark's wife has to get some trash. So does your boy's wife. And yeah, I'm trying to think of anyone else like in that funeral scene that I would – like, oh, Iron Man 3 kid. Definitely. No, no, no.

Get the fuck out of here. That coward demon show up. Howard the Duck, not an Avenger. Howard the Duck, not an Avenger. See, that's the thing. Once one person gets to you, it's like kind of the verified, the check marks, right? Like once one person has a check mark,

the guy with 30 followers has a check mark. It's like, ah, that doesn't really mean anything anymore. So you got to, so we are the line of demarkers. Yeah. Nerd integrity, what I talked about before. We were like the temps for the Avengers and the interns. Like we were never technically on like full-time payroll, but like we spent the summer. Like we, that's it in the resume it's not like work

experience it's like part of education experience it's like with the Avengers for something you know and we got like a windbreaker out of the experience maybe a backpack a drawstring you know that's a good stories and we have like one or two of their emails or phone numbers like that's it like I definitely show you get a little drunk you're like check this out in my contacts list i could call them if i want to oh i have a good one for you happy hogan happy hogan not an avenger works for the avengers okay wow we're doing that huh yeah i i think i think that's how you i think that's how you put it because i but i think like if you got 20 to start drunk enough i'm gonna be like

happy is is the first thing that comes out like you know like tony's like tony's like he's such a good guy he don't even know he could probably lift the hammer if he wanted all right clem i think that's uh i think that's all we have to talk about it was a very fun emergency podcast this was a blast i love doing this clem. I think that's all we have to talk about. It was a very fun emergency podcast. This was a blast. I love doing this, Clem. It was delightful. It was absolutely delightful.

Now do the right thing, Sony, and bring a guy with an Avenger on his resume back home because that's where he belongs. He's an Avenger. Absolutely. Bring him back home. Listen, Sony, Disney, fucking grow up. You guys need to grow up, okay?