My Mom's Basement - MINI-POD: CHRIS JERICHO RETURNS!

Episode Date: March 3, 2021

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Hey My Mom's Basement listeners, you can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Mr. Chris Jericho. Chris, it's been a while. How are you? Well, it's funny. We're actually in our mom's basement now, on My Mom's Basement, because before we were doing it face-to-face in the studio, but those days are done for now. Yeah, unfortunately those days are. How have you been in the past year, you know, with this whole lockdown and everything? Half lockdown now, I guess. Yeah, it's been kind of crazy. As you know, we've all been going through the same stuff. But thankfully, at least we've been still working every week in Jacksonville.

And, you know, it's just one of those things where I think we've all been in the same boat and no one really knew what to expect. So we just had to make the best of it, which we kind of all have. So like you mentioned, now it's getting a little bit better and things are kind of turning around a bit. So hopefully, hopefully the worst is behind us and we can start moving forward and start getting ready to do shows with full arenas and all that sort of great stuff again. God, that would be amazing. Not only shows, but concerts as well. Of course I mean, We need shows in general. Exactly. You mentioned making the best of it. And I feel like AEW has really, really been making the best of quarantine since the beginning. I mean, the talent you have as the fans ringside since the beginning, making the noise for you guys has been a great addition

and all of the creative ways that you guys have gone about you know making us tune in each and every week have been awesome you and mjf have this an amazing storyline going on with the inner circle there's a great match coming up against the young bucks this sunday march 7th at revolution i can't wait this whole storyline has been some of my favorite stuff in wrestling over the past few months has it been refreshing getting back into the groove of long-term storytelling in AEW? Absolutely. I mean, that's the one cool thing. Like you mentioned, we haven't really slowed down as far as our storylines and what we were planning on doing. Like obviously, there's a lot of things that I wish we could have done in front of a crowd, but there's only so long you can wait. I mean, none of us realized we'd be in Jacksonville for

a year now at this point almost, you know, the better part of a year. And I think that, you know, I was very proud of the storyline I had with Cody, then the story I had with Mox, and then we kind of had to take a little bit of a detour with the elite and then kind of going into 14 weeks with Orange Cassidy over the summer, which led into the MJF story, which started back in September, if you can believe that September, October, November, December, January, February, it's been six months already. And we're still in the middle of it. So there's a long way to go. And I think that's one thing I really appreciate about AEW is that we plan our storylines out. I'm very involved in the stories that I'm telling. And things don't really change. Obviously you morph things and change them according to what's going on with

the stories and how you feel and, and, you know, little ups and downs and dips and doodles. But when you have an overall plan of where you want to go, it makes things that much easier and that much better. And that's something that's basically exclusive to AEW at this point. And that's something I think that really distanced us from any other wrestling company. When you guys sit down and start to craft a storyline, like let's say this MJF storyline, which has been going on since September, like you said,

do you guys have an ending in mind at the beginning? Do you try to get there? Or do you kind of map out a certain amount and see where it takes you and take it from there? Yeah, I mean, every story has to have a beginning a middle and an end but things change you know what i mean like for example with orange cassidy the original idea was to do two matches and then that would branch off into the mike tyson thing when that was a possibility when we found out that wasn't going to happen then you take the two matches and morph it into three and that's where kind of the mimosa mayhem idea came let's do something special for the pay-per-view so it's the same thing with with the

whole mjf in the inner circle obviously we have a beginning and a middle and an end when the end happens you're not really sure and and and and that all depends on how it goes and what you want to do with it but to me it's almost like a it's almost like a, it's almost like a challenge. How long can we make this story go and still make it relevant and still make it good to where people go like, Holy shit, they're still going. And this is awesome stuff. And that's kind of what you want where it's a weekly thing where it's like, okay, you know, Kenny Omega wins the title and he's with Don Callis and then they've got an

exploding barbed wire death match. And then, you know, Cody's got this thing with Shaq and, you know, there's the women's limited tournament. Meanwhile, in the background is still the MJF inner circle story to where you're like, Holy smokes, that's still going. And it's been good every week. What's going to happen next. And then that's kind of when, when it's all said and done,

I think people will appreciate this as being one of the best stories in AEW history. And that's kind of what, what both MJF and I were setting out to do. Like, let's really see how far we can go with this because there's no rush with our storytelling. It's not like there's a pay-per-view every month where you have to jam things in or make things happen quicker than you want just because you have a date to fill. And I think that's one of the reasons why, like we, we have good chemistry. We're enjoying, we, we are enjoying this. So why, why rush it? Let's see how far we can go. And,

and that's kind of as long as it's good entertaining, it's still drawing good ratings and all that sort of stuff. There's no reason to shut it down. And like I said, the fact we've been going six months already is kind of a feather in our caps with, you know, so much more time to go. You mentioned a few of those storylines, the Cody Rhodes storyline you had, the Dean Ambrose, the Jon Moxley feud, I'm sorry. They were all great.

Do you have one that you look at and say, that's the one I'm proudest of in AEW? Do you have one moment even where you say, man, that was like a really proud moment for me? I think the Moxley storyline was great, culminating in dropping the title to him just a few weeks before the pandemic in, in Chicago.

Thank God you guys had a crowd for that. Yeah. I really deserved it. You know, and the other thing too, is we kind of had two stories intertwining where we had the Mox that ended, that was going to go straight into the elite and inner circle for the

blood and guts. And we almost got there. We, we, we shut down on March 11th in Salt Lake city to that show. I know, right? Horrible, yeah. 12,000 tickets sold and missed it by two weeks.

So then we kind of had to reconfigure. So I'd say that the Moxie storyline was great. I love how we rebounded with the stadium stampede for the elite inner circle blow off. I thought the Orange Cassidy story was awesome. Had there been a crowd for that, I think it would have gotten even better and bigger. But like I said, you do the best you can with what you have available. And so those were all kind of highlights for me. And then, like I said, this whole MJF storyline has been amazing as well. So every story that

I've been in has been, you know, not to sound egotistical it's been good it's been intriguing there's been a lot of twists and turns and um I just really have enjoyed all of them because like I said we didn't have to rush anything or try and squeeze anything into a certain time frame we just made it all good and made it all work so all of those moments I think back to the basically the first storyline with cody rhodes that was a blast too with all the stuff that we did with the brawl in pittsburgh where we were in the in in in the the box and he came in and smashed the window and just it's been a lot of great stuff and i think one of the it's one of those things that

when you realize aw has been in existence for two years and basically only on TV for a year and a half, we've done a lot of great classic angles and storylines to match all the great wrestling that we have too. And once again, I think that's one of the reasons why AEW is so hot and continues to stay hot as we really spend our time on those stories. And listen, sometimes things maybe don't make as much sense as you'd like or

maybe there's a couple little things that like well you kind of have to explain it the next week or whatever it may be but we still always try and make sure there's no plot holes and we still never um insult the intelligence of our of our fans to like oh they won't remember that or they don't you know they won't think about this because people always do i know i do i always remember everything because if you're telling a story that that's kind of i i believe in it and if you kind of insult me and say well that never happened or don't worry about it or you know this guy's face is burned from a fire and then the next week it's fine it's like it doesn't make any sense to me and there's no reason for it because like i said there's no rush we have weekly

television we're not going anywhere so if you're gonna do something like that like when i stabbed mox with the with the with the spike from my jacket i mean he wore that eye patch for four weeks yeah like it was real he wore it on the cruise for for gosh sakes sandman with it yeah and to me like that was what we discussed before and if we're going to do this let's do it right and mox is like absolutely and then and then santana did it too when he got spiked as revenge so we don't just do these things lightly we do them for a reason and we sell them and we make sure that they fit and continue on with our stories it seems like such a simple thing but not insulting the intelligence of your audience is like one of the biggest draws that aew has going about it because it's one of the few major wrestling companies that doesn't do that, which is such a, such a strange thing to say out loud. But like you said, you guys just

treat the audience like they're going to remember everything, especially because I feel like the audience that dove into AEW in the first place were probably the hardcore wrestling fans that heard about all in, Double or Nothing, you know, the shows that the Bucks and Cody were putting on before All Elite Wrestling was even an idea. And those are the ones that are going to remember that and are going to appreciate it, are going to tell their friends, hey, come in and get more. Do you credit a lot of the freshness to the product to how much the talent is allowed to be involved? And are there any downfalls to that as well? Or, you know, having the talent involved in so much storyline?

Well, absolutely. I mean, that is one of the big reasons. Like, you know, we don't have writers. We basically work together to book our storylines. And I'm very, like I said, very much involved in mine. Cody's very much involved in his, as are the Bucks, as are Kenny. I mean, Tony's booking basically the rest of the guys but also too everything has to be kind of approved by Tony

and run through his his ringer you know and um and that's great because you have to have a boss you have to have a a head head of the table to kind of make sure that everything goes within the visions of what we're doing I think the only downfall is that sometimes we, uh, we don't know what the other guys are doing. So sometimes there'll be angles that are similar on the show, uh, because you know, if I'm going to, I don't know, hit somebody with a baseball bat and Sting's going to hit somebody with a baseball bat. We don't know that.

And I think that's one of the things that as we get more experienced and continue to build our company, we'll have more of those types of meetings to where those little details aren't lost. We've already kind of started. I know last week there was something where what I was going to do was similar to what FDR was going to do. And then we were able to work it out so that were two kind of separate things. So I think now that we're cognizant of the fact that sometimes those little details fall

to the cracks, now we're kind of asking each asking each other hey what do you guys got going on in this angle what's going on for the finish of your match well i was going to do this okay well i was going to do something like that too so what kind of compromise can we make so that they're both different and that's something that like i said that i think the guys are kind of policing it themselves and now that we know that there that that does happen sometimes, that's fine. We just have to be smart. And like I said, be cognizant to what each other is doing. You know, but we're only a year and a half into live TV, and 90% of it has been pretty glitch free. And I was very surprised at that just how good everybody was working with all of the, you know, pressures of being live and it's not easy.

So I think that that's maybe the only downfall and that's at the expense of having things run through the ringer and overanalyzed and, and over sanitized. I think our show is so much better because there is a raw element to it. And raw is in rough, not raw is in WWE raw um and i think that's a good thing i think that's why people enjoy that's why i enjoy it i mean i don't worry about everything being approved by people that have nothing to do with my storyline just because that they're you know appointed head writer or assistant to the ceo like stay that stay away from me and let me and tony and

mgf or me and tony and orange or me and t and Tony and Cody work on our own thing, get it right, and then let's do it and let's make it great. And that's so much easier and so much less stress-free just because you get – we let the professionals be professional. That's kind of what we do best in AEW, and that's the way it should be. And speaking of, you're bringing on new talent all the time. We got to talk about the addition of Paul White formerly known as the big show in the WWE. This was shocking for a lot of the people that weren't in the know obviously myself included I was I was stunned he came off to me as one of those guys that would just always be in the WWE. He signs with AEW is going to be doing some commentary on AEW Dark with Tony Schiavone. He said in the press release that you know he, he's still a licensed wrestler. He would love to step in the ring. As a former

tag team partner of the Big Show, I assume as a guy who knows him pretty well, what do you think he's going to add to that backstage atmosphere, that locker room? I think Big Show has a lot to offer. I think he's very valuable. That's kind of why I helped recruit him into AEW because he was such a standard WWE, you know, tent pole in a lot of ways. I knew it would turn a lot of heads that he came to us. Perception is reality, and that's a big pull, even though they weren't really using him. But they had a tendency to not do that.

They never really used him. Not never. They had a tendency to not use him properly at times. I know how dangerous a motivated big show can be because we were tag team partners and he was motivated then. I know what kind of experience he brings to the table. We have a lot of bigger guys on our show that can learn from Paul White and just having him on AEW's roster from a name value standpoint, if we're trying to get TV in India or Lithuania or Timbuktu, they're going to know who Paul White is because they've seen him for,

for, for on TV for 25 years, not just in WWE, but for WCW as well. And that's currency. Cause as, as, as big as Kenny and the bucks and Cody and all the guys are, there's still a lot of fans that are like, okay, I know Jericho. I know Jim Ross. I know sting. I know Paul White. I mean, that's enough to sell your TV to a station or a country that maybe doesn't know who a lot of the new guys are. And then when they come to see Jericho and Paul White, then they see Darby Allin and Jungle Boy and go, holy shit, these guys are great too. And that's how you build your company.

It's a very smart move. So I'm very happy to have Paul with us. And I think a lot of the people that don't understand the value of why he's here will understand it very quickly because he can do so much. And he's one of those guys, you can teach somebody how to do moves. You can kind of teach someone how to do a promo. You can't teach experience. And he's got more experience than almost anybody in our company. And that's valuable. And it's great to have him with us. I thought it was brilliant right away. The first thing I thought of when I saw it just from now four years of interviewing wrestlers, I've heard a lot of

stories of younger wrestlers being like, Oh, big show was actually a huge help to me early on in my career gave me this great advice. Even like the bigger wrestlers, we've talked to Braun Strowman, who's talked about how much help he was in crafting the big man matches for braun so i looked at it and i went yeah of course that's brilliant the big show is like a locker room leader that you're adding to help everyone yeah exactly you know and he is a leader and and he's one of those guys too a lot like mox or hager or matt hardy or ftr or jericho when he gets into our system and realizes the freedom that he has and, and the responsibility that we want to give him, there's nobody sitting in the corner making jokes about him or, or, you know,

a good show trying to be a big shot. Like we want him to, to, to be who he is and we want his experience and we want his advice and we want his level of knowledge. And I think once he comes in and realizes, wow, I'm allowed to say something, he's going to be very, very vocal in what he believes. And we need that and we want that. And that's one thing about AEW is we're a great team. And that's one thing that Tony Khan knows how to build a team.

We do it in football in Jacksonville. You do it with soccer in Fulham. You have a team that's got great veterans. It's got the huge stars in their prime. It's got the great rookies, and it's got the great prospects. And if you look at the way we've designed our roster, we have that. We haven't signed just, yeah, you've got to watch out. Don't sign all those WWE castoffs.

We haven't signed a lot of WWE castoffs. I mean, when the big purge happened and everybody got let go, we didn't sign anybody from there, from what I remember. And if we did, there were very few and far between. And there's a reason that

those people weren't talented, but we are not looking to do that. We will bring in the guys we think can really help our roster and wish everybody else well and good luck. But if you look at the guys we've brought really help our roster and wish everybody else well and good luck but if you look at the guys we've brought in it's been very calculated and everybody that comes in our in our on our roster and on our show is there for a reason i look at it too and in the way that aew uses all those people as well you see the people um the negative wrestling fans

online that will say oh my god they're bringing in sting and then they'll say how do you have the gall to bring in goldberg on the other side? And I don't even see a comparison between the two in the way that each is used. I feel like AEW uses all of the veterans or the former WWE guys, if you will, in their appropriate setting. And whereas sometimes on the other side, that, you know, they're skyrocketed into the title picture right away. They win the title and everyone's kind of annoyed with it. You't see that in aew fan aew fans aren't getting annoyed with it it's only kind of the other side well and of course you're gonna have the the aw haters just like you're gonna have the wb haters but if you look at how we've used

sting who has he benefited the most i mean the fact that he's reinvigorated you know and taking bumps and giving bumps but it's's not Sting versus Jericho. We don't do it that way. When Matt Hardy came in, one of the ideas was for Jericho and Matt to do a cinematic match at the compound. I said, why would we want that? We've already seen Jericho and Matt Hardy many times. That's a Sammy Guevara deal,

and that's what they did. And if you look at Sting, I mean, who's he benefited the most? Sting? No. I think Darby Allen. Yeah, definitely Darby. I think Team Taz with Brian Cage and Ricky Starks. I mean, by putting Sting with those, excuse me, with those guys,

it builds them all up. Yeah. Including Sting. And that's one of the things that happened to me in 2016 when I started back in WWE and I was working with Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn and Roman reigns and seth rollins and cesaro i didn't want to come in and work with john cena or hunter or those guys we've seen that you know and this reminds me of wcw in 98 when it was piper versus hogan i mean fuck

it would have been so much better if it was hogan versus jericho and piper versus benoit let's say for example yeah and that's what we're doing in in aw and i think that's one of the benefits is when we bring guys in we bring them to work and build the other guys look who i've worked with like i said i mean i'm not doing programs with dustin rhodes or and not that there's anything wrong with i'd love to work with dustin but it's you know it's jericho versus orange cassidy it It's Jericho versus Cody versus MJF. MJF is 24 years old. I'm more than twice the age of him.

When we worked with Top Flight, I was laughing. They're 19 and 21. Add their ages up, I'm still 10 years older than them. But that's how it works, and that's the way it should be is you have a guy like me, and it's my job to put them over. And that doesn't mean lose to them all the time. Although when the time is right, I do. It means make them look like stars,

get them on a big stage and put them in the spotlight. I think top flight had a great match against MJF and myself. And I think same with, with the acclaimed and, and, you know, all the guys that we worked with. I mean, even when it was me and Hager versus Serpentico and Luther, obviously Luther and I have a big history, but then Serpentico looks great and Hager looks great. And Luther gets to shine. And like everybody on our roster is,

is there for the purpose of being a star. Nobody's there just to be there. Nobody gets cut off at the legs. You know, if you start getting over, we let you run with it. And off at the legs you know if you start getting over we let you run with it and we want that you know and it's also funny because we work for four or five months with no crowd so how do you get over it's like well we're we're figuring out by ratings by reactions by by instagram posts and twitter posts and that sort of thing and now that we do have limited fans i mean that's cool too because now you can actually hear the reactions. So it's one of the worst parts of the beginning of the pandemic

was not having that third member of the match, which, of course, is the crowd. And now that we've kind of had more of that, you can start to realize, okay, Luchasaurus got a huge chant last week. I forgot Luchasaurus was over huge before the pandemic started. Now it's like, okay, well, he's still over. That's okay. Luchasaurus got a huge chant last week. I forgot Luchasaurus was over huge before the pandemic started. And now it's okay. Well, he's still over. That's good. People are still singing Judas.

Good. So we're still hearing that and getting a little bit more involved with it. And people are starting to figure out, you know, who the stars are that they enjoy. And I think it's pretty much 90% of the roster at this point. Yeah, that first Judas, when we had a little bit of the crowd back and you could actually hear him sing and was awesome. And MJF,

all of the stuff you've been doing with him, I've been taking a little bit of like Jersey pride in because I trained to wrestle for a month. I thought it was my dream. I was one of the guys that got whittled out by the bootcamp process that I was like, Oh yeah, definitely not for me.

But MJF was in the school at the same time. And there was very much a vibe of everyone around. I didn't know anything about anything of everyone being like, yep, MJF he's, he's the star here. He's definitely going to make it. So seeing him excel to that level that everyone thought he was going to is pretty damn awesome. Transitioning a little to music because we talk music and all these interviews. What have you been listening to lately? What's been in Chris Jericho's earphones? Okay. Well, I mean, I have been, you know, it's funny because you mentioned all the different things that I've been doing and I was able to get three top 25 singles in the fiscal year between Fozzy

quarantine and the wheel blocks. So just being, being creative and continue to, to, to provide content and do as much music as I possibly can. What am I listening to now? I mean, I love Greta Van Fleet. I think that's one of my favorite new bands from the last few years.

Have you seen them live? I haven't seen them live. Tremendous live band. I was a big fan of them in the studio and stuff and in the CDs and stuff. I saw them live and it was next level. Yeah, exactly. So, so, so watching them and then watching the struts, I love the struts. They're a great fucking band as well. And, um,

like I said, I mean, there's, there's a lot of newer bands, but the thing is I always kind of get a chance to see bands when we play with them at festivals and stuff. And because there hasn't been anything for a year, it's just kind of, it's kind of been a drag, but I think the good part is that probably everybody's making new music. And I think when all of this kind of opens up, that there's going to be a glut of great albums because our, our record is finished as well,

but we don't want to release the record when you can't tour on it and i know there's other bands that i've spoken to some huge bands some smaller bands that feel the same way so um that's kind of i think what we're all waiting for and the more i hear the quicker that it's coming which is cool and we're ready to go i mean as soon as it's it's safe, we'll go play shows. Cause you know, we're not, I'm not saying afraid, but we want to, to, to go out and play. And I think it's time that people want to go see shows and especially now with the vaccinations and all that sort of stuff.

I think all the indications are that, okay, we're ready to start getting back into the groove here very soon. they're talking about putting on uh reading and leads this summer they're saying it's actually going to go forward and new music just if i could give you a recommendation the new album by the pretty reckless it's pretty damn awesome they've got you know members of sound garden playing on it they've got tom morello playing on it it's very good yeah and it's funny too because um i've always kind of had a kindred spirit ship with Taylor because she at first was known as, oh, she's Cindy Lou Who from Grinch That Stole Christmas. So how could she possibly be a singer? And it's like, you know, he's Chris Jericho. He's

a wrestler. How can he possibly be a singer? And it's one of those things where you hear her singing, you forget about Cindy Lou Who right away. And we we've gotten that as well. Like we had to work twice as hard to get people's respect, but once we got the respect, then suddenly, you know, you have it for life. And that's something that's really cool. I think is that people really enjoy our band because they've been long time fans and know that we've done things the right way and we've put in the hard work and we we've got the songs.

So there's always going to be people that hate you just because of who you are there's always gonna be people that call her cindy lou who and call me chris jericho the wrestler but you can't change their minds all you can do is continue to put out great music and that's what she's done and her band so uh i really enjoy them and i've seen them a few times uh over the years and they always kick ass she's a great live performer as well and no surprise because she's an actor yeah singing is acting it's emoting it's connecting with the audience and that's something i think that i do fairly well as well because this is what i've done my whole life you know is yeah you're not just the singer you're the front man you understand that part of it i

mean you're a paul stanley fan you can't well be as big a paul stanley fan as you are without knowing that part of the game exactly all those guys dav David Lee Roth, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Now, kind of going off of that and the transitioning from wrestling to music, did you have a lot of nerves before your first Fozzy performance? I didn't have a lot of nerves before my first Fozzy performance, but I think I did probably just because it's the first time you're doing it. But I played in bands my whole life, right? So I played in bands in high school and did the Battle of the Bands. And anytime you do something for the first time, I think you're always a little bit tentative about it,

but you just got to go for it and commit to it. So I'm always nervous before every performance I have, wrestling, Fozzy, whatever it may be, because you want it to go great. You want the crowd to have a good time, but it's a good nervous energy. As far as being, oh my God, i don't think i can do it i don't think i've ever really had that uh because it's not that's not part of who i am not even early in wrestling i don't think so i remember the first match i ever had i was a little bit scared but the thing was that it was with lance storm and the two of us had a chance to work on our match for like two months beforehand because

we knew we were having it so i remember reading about that in your book yeah and we did a watch along actually of my first match on talk is jericho and and i think that eliminated some of the nerves but also too as lance pointed out we had called a couple high spots but the rest we it wasn't like it is now where you call the whole match we had a couple high spots called out and the rest we just kind of did stuff that we learned in school and grappled and i'll give you a hip toss you give me a hip toss move on the leg drop that sort of stuff so i don't think you really had time to be nervous because you were just going through and doing it i do remember the first time being in front of a crowd though that the crowd really liked me aka five kids in the crowd like chanting jericho or whatever it was and just like this whole new world opened up like holy shit like they really

like me like i remember lance after was like you're like hulk hogan man they were you're like the next they were cheering for like you're hulk hogan meanwhile there's like 85 people in the panoka moose hall but it was it was a blast just to be in that situation, you know? And, um, uh, so I think that the nerves went away fairly quickly when all that started happening. It's fascinating to me cause I'm just such an anxious kid. I've had nerves before everything, before we get you out of here, I want to ask you one more question. I recently saw you on Rick Beato's YouTube channel.

I'm a big fan of his music channel and you were plugging I'm too old for this shit, a movie that you produced. I haven't seen it yet but the the whole concept of it seems fascinating to me it seems a little searching for sugar man-esque and there were there was this band that was famous in another country was Germany right and they didn't know that they were so popular there yeah I mean that's the thing about it and the drummer of Siren is a good friend of mine for 20 years and I knew he was a band called Siren, but, but he wasn't active in the band. I mean, we all had bands in high school and that's why the, the,

the story was so crazy when he, when he called me and said, yeah, you know, this, this guy in Germany wants us to come play our festival. And I'm like, which band? He said, Siren. I'm like, well, you guys aren't even a band. He goes, I know. And like, what are you talking about? I said, well, apparently we have a really big fan base over there and uh we have for years and i'm like this is stupid this doesn't happen that way i mean no band has a fan base for 30 years when they haven't played for 30 years and don't know about it it's like it's not like you guys are like freaking you know i don't know give me any band from the 80s lizzie

borden or armored saint or some obscure metal band like that where you actually had a following. And I said, this is either going to be the biggest shit show ever or it's going to be the most heartwarming, inspirational story that you could think of. And that's what it turned out to be. And that's when I was like, I needed to send a camera crew to document this. And everything that they were told happened there was like 10,000 people chanting their names singing their lyrics for siren for a song they wrote 35 years earlier that they hadn't played in 35 years and it was just a really cool story to show that dreams can come true no matter how old you are just never give up on them and uh and you just never know

what can happen so it took us a while to make it and now it's on itunes and amazon and it's becoming a pretty critically acclaimed hit so to speak and i think the reason for that is because you don't have to be a rock and roll fan to enjoy it if you are it makes it that much better yeah but if you're not it's just a story of these guys in their 50s who had given up their their dream to be rock stars that finally had the chance for it to come through, come true 30 odd years later. I just wanted to plug that before we got out of here,

because as a guy who watches every music documentary that I could get my hands on, that seems like it's right up my alley and probably up the alley of many are many of our listeners. So everyone check out AEW revolution Sunday, March 7th. Like I said, Chris Jericho and MJF the inner

circle versus the young bucks it's going to be an amazing match amazing payoff to what they've got going on so check it out yeah we're excited man we were able to to kind of put together one of the hottest angles on the show in just a few weeks with beating up Papa Buck and all that sort of stuff and um like I said in our company with all the great wrestlers and all the great stories going on you have to constantly be thinking. We push each other. So I think we're in a great spot to challenge for the titles. I think MJF and I are a great tag team.

And I'm looking forward to wrestling the Bucks. I mean, we've never wrestled them. I've never wrestled them in a, you know, quote, unquote, like real match. We've had a couple gimmick matches and that sort of thing. But, you know, to be with them in a tag team match, I'm really, really excited because they are the best tag team in the world. But I think MJF and I have that natural chemistry, especially as a,

as bad guys to really have a different style of match for them, which I think is going to be a highlight of the show. So I'm really looking forward to it. I can't wait, Chris. Thank you. Thank you, brother. Talk to you soon, man.