My Mom's Basement - QUARANTINE MINI-POD: THE UNDERTAKER

Episode Date: September 18, 2020

The From The Top Rope boys have their most surreal interview yet, with "The Phenom" himself, The Undertaker! They cover everything from Taker's decision to finally break kayfabe in retirement, to his thoughts on the classic Sting dream match fans have always yearned for, to even random stuff like his favorite movies, and more. WWE Battlegrounds is OUT NOW! Check it out! 3Chi: Use code BASEMENT at checkout to receive 5% off at 3Chi.comYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/mymomsbasement

Hey, My Mom's Basement listeners. You can find our episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube, and Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. It really happened. Jared Kouravas and I got to sit down with The Undertaker. Well, not sit down with him, you know, over Zoom, because it's COVID era and all that, and talk to him for over 30 minutes.

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Is it Undertaker? Is that fine by you? No, man. We're friends now. You can call me Taker. Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

Everybody calls me Taker. That's amazing. All right, Taker. Taker, Deadman. It just depends. Most people prefer Taker. I like Taker. I like Taker. if we're on that

friendship level now i'm taking it i'm talking about the video game that's out now um has it been crazier seeing yourself evolve as a video game character from like an eight bit character to now a photo realistic version of the undertaker or as an action figure you know what? The action figures were cool, but to realize where we started in the video game process was nuts. and going through all of our moveset to basically nowadays, you know, they put you in a wall of cameras and they get every possible angle of you. And it's just amazing how far the process has come through the year, through my 30 years, you know. It's been really – it's a lot better product and it's a lot less time-consuming on my end.

And then they always – obviously, they make you look a little better in what you do, so that's a bonus. They don't show quite as many miles as the real thing does. Oh, yeah, absolutely. So this is an honor for the both of us. Like I said, we never thought this would happen, mostly because for a long time, you were the guy that would never do the interviews. You were the wrestler that would, you know, keep kayfabe, as they say, and you were the dead man for everybody. Did you have it set in your mind, though, through the last few years of your life, which we saw through the last ride, that you kind of knew retirement was looming? Did you know that once you were retired, you were going to break kayfabe and you were going to be the one to tell the story of your career by yourself now?

You know, I really didn't, I didn't really envision it or I didn't have that as a goal. But through the process of making the, you know, the docuseries, obviously, you do you just just with my, you know, the narration and everything, you get a lot of that. As we went through the process, it became easier because I was really reluctant at first. Even though it was my idea to have the cameras following me and all that, there were times where I'd start chewing guys out like, why are you following me with this damn camera? You ask us to? Yeah, okay.

Yeah, I did ask you to do okay my bad uh so it was a process for me to get used to to doing that and then now it's just kind of kind of rolled into um you know people are enthralled by you know now that i've lifted the you know i've lifted the curtain and and started letting people in, you know, there's a lot of questions for 30, you know, people have been fans for 30 years. There's, there's a lot of questions and, but it was nevermind original intent. It was just kinda, it just kinda happened through the process.

Yeah. So I guess that's where like the last ride left me wanting more, even though there was like a conclusion to that chapter, it was almost like you put out a book, but like the first 20 chapters were just missing. You're like, yeah, you can read the end. Like,

that's fine. Like if you want to do that, cause I, one thing that I noticed and I marked out huge for this, like I've been waiting 31 years for this moment. I'm a diehard cane fan. Right. In the last ride, that was the first time I've ever seen Kane unmasked from like the nineties. Like there was like a quick little clip, like you're walking by him in the hallway

and he's unmasked. And I was like, holy shit. Like I've never ever, like there's no pictures, there's no videos. So I guess what I'm asking now is, is there enough footage from those missing chapters to go back and complete the whole thing? Like, is there another docu-series in the future? I would imagine that we would do something down the line, and it would probably done, I would imagine outside of wwe studios i would i would

think that uh you know an h an hbo or a and e would want to do something down the road because there are there's there's there's 27 more years to cover yeah i mean you know yeah we we went back here and there but the the history of that character a lot you know a lot of it wasn't touched it was the it was the last ride it was the final the you know the final part of the career and coming to grips with my you know my mortality and and and so yeah I would I would expect somewhere down the line or uh you know nothing really concrete, but I would imagine we would do something that would hit that front end of the career in the middle. Most of the end. Yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of material and then there's a lot of material that didn't get touched on, you know, outside of the ring. You know, my relationship with, you know, the guys that I was close with you know the bsk nation i mean there's

so much stuff there um so yeah i would imagine uh i would imagine it'll all come out eventually yeah like that's the type of stuff that people are interested in i mean like so for me i've been a wrestling fan since 97 so that covers a lot of years of your career. So like you were, you were the constant, like you were the guy that was always there. And when guys were jumping ship to WCW, you kind of just planted your flag. You're like, I'm, I'm staying right here. I'm building my legacy here. And it wasn't about money for you. And I think with, with wrestling for me as an adult now, I'm way more drawn to the real life stories. Like I'm way more drawn to like how did that stuff go down?

Like because you were like, again, like you being the constant, like the story of you being in the background with like the Montreal Screwjob. Like you were in the back there. Like those stories, like your angle of things that happen in wrestling have gone untold. And like we need that. We need to gone untold. And, like, we need that. We need to hear those stories. Yeah, it is. I think, you know, kind of across the board, those kind of stories at this point are more compelling.

You know, there's so much content, live content. You know, you get all you want. But to hear the ins and outs of what was going on, yeah, I think that is much more compelling and movie of the week kind of stuff. That could outdate you a little bit. So you've been there throughout the entire, like Jared said, through multiple generations. You've really seen superstars come and go.

You've seen guys that were fans of you. And come back and go again. And come back and go again. guys that were fans of yours come up and probably compete against you at some point how do you feel about the mentality as far as old school versus new school match calling we hear a lot of veterans talk all the time about you know we could go out there not call anything in the back and call it all in the ring but do you feel that when the business started to evolve the other way matches started getting a lot better do you think you could produce an epic like one of your matches

against sean michaels or the hell in a cell against triple h let's go out there and call it in the ring do you think that it was a change for the better in the business um well what what what you miss when you you kind of call it on the fly is being able to feel things you know because what happens is when guys will lay out a whole a whole match you know and in your mind in your mind's eye

it's like oh man this stuff is going to be great and then when you go out there and you actually apply it you know it's crickets and then they're lost because they don't know how to adapt. You know, I think as long as I had, as long as I had a finish or a start of the match, a finish and whatever the heat spot was,

I'm pretty sure that I could, you know, if I was working full-time, because that plays into it, if I was a full-time guy and if I had those three things, I think I could still put on a match. Because I have, you know, you listen to your audience, and then once you know that you have your audience, now you pull the strings you know you're the puppet master and i think that's kind of you know that's why i still tell guys to this

day in the live events the non-televised live events try and do it you know try and do it that way because you never know you never understand you never know what's going to happen you never know when there's going to be some kind of satellite go down and you've got to fill time or somebody else's match ends quickly and you've put together a five-minute match and now all of a sudden you've got 15. And so I always tell guys to try and do that. You may never have to use it, but if you do, you're going to want that experience to draw from.

You've got to have have in the back pocket yeah and and it basically you know it all kind of changed when we had when we started doing live tv because you you've got a certain amount of tv time you've got put in your commercials so guys had to hit their cues and they had to hit their marks really tight. So that's kind of how everything kind of started to change. And obviously our product has evolved into this huge juggernaut that it is. So, you know, I can't sit back and be, you know, the crusty old timer. You kids, you do it all wrong. You know, I mean, it's just evolution. But I do think it's important that guys still try and call things on

the fly yeah yeah rob you mentioned this earlier about you know you and and like the whole aspect of protecting kayfabe was that something during the course of your career where you were like i kind of wish i could do you know like tv shows and interviews and stuff like that where i could just talk as like the guy behind the character and also did other guys because i mean like wwe it's kind of like a it's a grueling schedule where you're traveling a lot you're doing these live shows you're doing tv you're doing pay-per-views and then sometimes you're gonna wake up early and do all these media tours did anyone kind of like give you shit for not like having having to do the media tours no not really they didn't give me shit i mean because they they appreciated the effort that

it took for me to protect right and and uh like an entire wardrobe of black like i saw that on thing where you're like yeah like i live the character like outside the ring like i just yeah here's my black t-shirt my black pants pants, my black sunglasses, off I go. Yep. And so I think they appreciated that. And my mindset was like, I'm living my dream here. So I didn't have aspirations of going to Hollywood and crossing over like that,

which I got nothing against guys who do, you know, I mean, jury's still out on whether it worked for rock or not. I don't know. But he's doing all right. Yeah. He's going to be all right. I think he's got to go fund me for something. Yeah. Something like that. You know, you know, he's a C-lister, but, but that was never my, I was never, I was living my dream and I was doing what I wanted to do. And I knew if I wanted to continue doing it, that's what I felt.

It's like, I have to protect this. I can't be this guy. You know, I didn't have to worry about social media and the internet so much early on but I couldn't be this guy on on the internet and then try and be this guy on tv there was just too big a disconnect in the way I looked at things and and you know I understand yes we're we're sports entertainment and everybody understands things now but me, it was always bringing that air of authenticity to what you were seeing. You know, I always wanted to put in somebody's mind, good, bad, or indifferent. That dude is different, you know? And what I did or what I was doing was different and, you know, not blinking and not do, I mean,

it was just all those things I thought about, like this is all part of the big picture of the character and um so you know that's you know this you know I'd never like I said I never thought we would get to this point um where I'm I'm talking to you guys and promoting you know we didn't promoting 2k WWE 2k battlegrounds you'd asked me this five years ago, and I would have looked like you had six heads, you know. But that's where we're at, and I'm happy where I'm at now, you know. Yeah. I really am.

I still find sometimes, you know, I still put the guard up a little bit, and I have to think about it, like, okay, we're in a different place now, you know. But it's funny. It's funny how many times I'll hear like, Oh man, my childhood is ruined because I'm a human being. Right. Yeah. You're not a dead zombie. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm not a dead zombie. Like, you know, it's like, well, I'm sorry that your childhood is ruined, but most of you are out of childhood now. So, you know,

welcome to the real world. Yeah, absolutely. And Jared, speaking to the level of attention to detail you put into the character over the years, you know, keeping the kayfabe and all that, it really worked and you evolved. And even you went into, you know, the American badass when things got tough with the Attitude Era,

when that character maybe would seem a little hokey, if you will. I mean, even the ministry stuff though works because you were like a cult figure back then and then involved into the american badass i think it really worked and i have a nephew who's six years old he's just getting into wrestling now and you're his guy like still he goes back to the early 90s stuff and he's like this is my guy when he plays the video game against my brother his dad he does handicap matches two undertakers the old school and the new school versus whoever his dad wants to be ain't nobody beating that combination so it's like even you know all these years later 30 years after your debut you're still

the guy that kids are gravitating towards and kids are saying whoa look at that he's the larger than life superhero so i think it it worked. Even looking back, I don't have to be the guy telling you it worked. You're the fucking Undertaker. Well, I appreciate it. It's interesting for me to see. My ego's stroked a little bit. I'm good. Now, as an American

badass fan myself, was there any talks, and I'm sure you've been asked this a bunch because it was rumored probably every WrestleMania you came back for for the last last five years were there any talks to bring that character back at any point uh no once once I left the American Badass yeah I think everyone was really content with the hybrid version of the Undertaker my style had changed where you know I kept a lot of the elements of my in-ring work you you know, kind of geared towards that American badass character. But then brought the origins of the mystique of The Undertaker, you know, was kind of the outward look.

But no, it was it was kind of it didn't come up until this year. And it just dawned on me with the type of promos that, you know, AJ was cutting. I was like, well, there's really no way that I can bring the original Undertaker to this. It's become too personal. It's crossed too many lines. I mean, you're going to have to get, you know, you're going to have to get American Badass all grown up.

And, you know, he's still being, you know, he's still got that evil, that evil side to him. But it's going to be a much more personal, you know, a much more personal approach approach to to delivering that match so that's kind of how we ended up uh american badass 2.0 if you will you know talking about marking out when you rolled up on the motorcycle i was going crazy it's like finally he's got the bandana back on yeah it was fun man i have to say you know it was it was you know and i had at that point i hadn't made the decision of not you know whether i was going to work or what I was going to do post that.

But man, it really felt good. And I was like, thinking to myself, like, man, I got, I got, I got to run here if it's, if I want it, you know, and, and it was, it was cool. We were out, you know, as they were setting up and doing the lighting and everything, I was taking that bike up and down the road and, you know people in the neighborhood their lights were coming on and i was like man this is fun and and it was but um you know i think you know regardless of what i do on camera moving forward i i'm pretty sure that's the you know that's the persona that i will that i'll continue to move forward um yeah which is perfect

because it's a little bit of everything like you said in the last ride like you're taking pieces of every character that you've ever played and you're putting it all into one so I think you know the pandemic happens Wrestlemania has to you know take a hard left over here and you have the cinematic match with AJ Styles which for you you should be looking at that and I'm sure you do is like holy shit like this this might have just bought me 10 more years like you like if you can I mean I'm sure it's like a grueling process like when you're going through this but I think immediately everyone thought you know this could be an opening for and I'm sure you guys have talked about this in the past

but an undertaker and sting cinematic match where you know the fans have been asking for like i remember like having to like you know google this on like aol.com back in like the 90s like is the undertaker and sting like are they ever gonna do this like people have been asking for this since i was basically in middle school um do you think because of this newly discovered format that and now like you and aj what you put it on the map like that was that was something where it's like if this goes great now we can further down the line there can be a bunch of these if it doesn't maybe we just want and done it has there been any talks like has there been a situation where in your in the back of your mind like this is something that i want to do before it's all

said and done um i think it's pretty much all said and done um obviously you don't believe no one believes my wife my wife doesn't believe me i was just gonna say like michelle doesn't believe you either like this is not she she rolls her eyes at me at least twice a week on something, you know. And I got another buddy. I got another buddy that's – I was actually in a golf tournament with him Monday, and, you know, they were putting food out and stuff like that. And I was like, no, you know, I don't want that. I don't want that.

And, you know, all of a sudden he looks over at me, getting close to April, huh? Like, no, man. So, you know, I tried to be as definitive in that last episode. It was much more definitive until the big man saw it um and uh you know he kind of put in the little question mark maybe some possible way but uh i i don't foresee it happening but i'm sure you don't ever say never listen if it happens just make sure we could be two druids that you like throw off a building. Oh my God.

We don't even need to be on camera. Throw the black robe over us. It'd be an honor, sir. It would be an honor. I'll keep that in mind if it ever comes to that. You know, hopefully, you know, like I said, I can stay here and play WWE 2K Battlegrounds with my daughter and, and, uh, get my head stomped that way. Um, she's, she's highly competitive and, and, uh, so yeah, she takes her, her fair shots at dad. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's life before April and then April rolls around. And I guess, I guess we'll see, but, but to the main part of the question, have you had conversations? Did you have conversations with Sting back in, like, the 90s being like,

hey, your character, what you're doing is pretty badass. What I've been doing for the last 10 years is pretty badass. Like, wouldn't it be cool if we got together? Like, were there conversations back then? Not a one. No. You didn't even know him back then? No, I knew him because I had a brief, you know, I was in WCW in 89.

And I knew him there. And then I really didn't see him again until he came here. Wow. Yeah. That's really crazy. Just like two people that have invaded each other forever. And then that's, you know, that's kind of, you know, obviously our audience like, oh, well, you know,

his character did this and your character did that. And I mean, that's where it really started to steamroll once he came up here and did a few shots for us. But yeah, there were never, never like, we weren't calling each other and saying, hey man, you know, we got this, you know, super match, mega match kind of deal going on. And, you know, it just, it just, you know, super match, mega match kind of deal going on. And, you know, it just, you know, my schedule was always full of, you know, there was always guys waiting, you know. So, it may be something that it will be kind of like, you know,

what would have happened between Ali and Tyson or, you know, just one of the things that he was like, what would happen between Ali and Tyson? Or, you know, just one of the things. Like, what would have happened? Look at The Rock and Shawn Michaels, two guys that have never gotten to learn together. It's crazy. Exactly. So, you know, and I think, I mean, being completely honest,

at this point, it would have been cool in the 90s. Even it would have been cool in the 90s even it would have been cool in the early 2000s um but you know there's a reason why you know the last ride came about and i'm you know and i've called it a day it's just like although i have it here and i have it in my heart to do my body just doesn't my body doesn't cooperate with the other two, you know, factors in that. So it becomes really difficult and it's, I just don't want people to get in, to get a watered down version of, of that character. If I can't go out and do the things people expect me to do when I'm in the

ring. And, and I really flirted with that as long as I did work, you know, it was, that's not what I want that as long as i did work you know it was that's not what i want i want people to remember uh you know i want them to remember the 90s and i want them to remember that american badass and the return you know all those strong the wrestle the wrestlemania matches with you know with edge and batista and triple h and Sean, of course, you know, I want all those matches. Even CM Punk up to 29, like up to. Yeah. Yeah. Punk. He's been incredible. That's a classic.

How was that, that one? That was awesome. You know, that was real. Yeah. That was, it was really good. Yeah. That's what I want people to remember. I don't want them to remember, you know, the match that I had with Roman. Cause you know, I was all beat up. I was working on a bad hip. I was, you know, I was out of shape. I looked like bloated Elvis. You know, I mean, it's just,

that's what I don't want, you know? So let me ask you this and be 100% honest when you're putting out the last ride, how much of the decision to agree to that project and to put it out there was like, well, if I do do this then i can't come back it's almost like blocking an ex-girlfriend being like if i block her then like she's definitely gone like we won't get back together like how much of that was i i would love to still get out there during wrestlemania but if i put out this basically retirement documentary then like

it's like a stamp on it that's an extra like i can't i can't go back that is a great question that is probably one of the best questions that anybody's asked me and hell yeah it's uh it's it believe me it was in my thought process yeah because you know i have a whole group of people like no well you know you can go out and you can do this and people are going to go crazy and they're going to love it while you know, I have a whole group of people like, no, well, you know, you can go out and you can do this and people are going to go crazy and they're going to love it. Well, you know, on the inside, I'm thinking, you know, I don't move the way I used to move. I can't do things the way I used to do. It's, you know, it's a watered down version,

but I also love this business so much and I've loved performing for 30 years and well, well 33 if you count before WWE you know it was almost like I needed somebody to you know put the put the bullet in there and and stop and and so it did once we kind of started rolling with this um it did you know that was kind of in the back of my mind. Like, I can get to a point where this will solidify it and where I won't have a choice. And that's where I thought, and originally that's where I was at. Until somebody watched, you know, I had to send the last 15 minutes of the last episode you know to the chairman and

needless to say that he said that was good shit he did not he did not like the ending at all oh interesting yeah he didn't like that you put the stamp on it yeah so that's where uh you know we put the line back in there, never say never. Okay. But here, you know, I'm coming to grips with it. You know, obviously as we get closer to March or April, whenever it is this year, you know, I'll have that internal feeling like I should be getting ready for something.

Yeah. Maybe like run a triathlon in April or something. No, negative. Before we get you out of here, I want to ask a few questions, just some of your favorite things throughout your career. So I have a list of favorites. What was your favorite entrance that you had throughout your career? One of them definitely is the,

when I rose from, from, uh, the bottom of the stage and it's backlit with all the smoke and then all the demon arms and stuff are coming, you know, I'm glad you said that. Yeah. That, that one I thought was really cool. Um, uh, you know, there, there were so many those were such big productions and the you know the fireballs

and all of that stuff I mean there was just some really iconic entrances but I think that one probably is one of my favorites just for cinematic value such a great picture right like that silhouette shot of all the arms you with the coat on the hood on so bad yeah so i almost this is going to be uh

something that i might regret admitting i almost got that tattooed across the back of my shoulders almost yeah i mean like i'll do it now if you want me to i'll do it i well because that was 2013 i was poor so i can afford to do it now but back then i was like all right i can either do a half chest half sleeve or i can do that across the back so i did the half chest half sleeve now it's a full sleeve so now i can go across the back well although wait you know what I actually have an open spot right on my elbow here so either I can do that silhouette or I can do the undertaker logo on my elbow which one do you want brother it's gonna be there a long time I mean hey you know what if it's what it's I mean I would say since 97 that's a pretty long-term commitment.

Yeah, absolutely. I don't know, man. That elbow can get kind of tight. I mean, you can put something there. Yeah, something has to go there anyway. I mean, it's an open spot. So, I mean, if it's not the Undertaker symbol, it's going to end up being one of the Pink Floyd, the wall logos. It'll be like a cane mask, and you don want, you want the other brother destruction on there.

So here's a question. We've heard the stories of ribs about cucumbers brought up to the room with you and all that. What is your favorite ribs that you experienced in your time throughout the WWE, WWF, you know, entire career. A rib that was played on me. Just a rib that you experienced could be on you could be on someone else oh man uh man there's wow there's so many and some of them were I mean

weren't even that elaborate I tell you who was one of the greatest rivers of all time is Owen Hart yeah we hear that a lot he he was so good um yeah yeah i mean gosh i could spend an hour going through ribs but uh there there it used to be back in the day in the early 90s when i got there we really only got a real like more than a three or four day break around christmas time you know we might get five or six days and usually meant we left on Christmas Day to go work somewhere. Yeah. So that last show before our break, you never took your eyes off any of your gear. You locked everything up.

I remember we did a TV taping. Vince was there. J.J. Dillon was the head of talent relations at the time uh i mean the nasty boys and british bulldog i mean they filled they took vince's coat filled it full of shaving cream they took uh i want to say it was i want to say it was jj dylan's briefcase they somehow another tied it up at the top of the ceiling so you couldn't i mean it was just total mayhem that last day right and you just like a lot of guys would actually get dressed like to go to the ring and then take all their street clothes and all their personal belongings

out to their car lock them in the trunk yeah it was such a fear of what the pandemonium would bring yeah you knew it was coming it was just a matter of trying to you know make sure you didn't you didn't get uh get got if you would yeah all right i got one more before we get you out of here it's one more favorite question and it has nothing to do with wrestling what is the undertaker's favorite movie? Black Hawk Down. Oh, interesting. So you're a war movie guy. You like war movies? Yeah, I love war movies. You like to pick a genre, yeah?

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And sports, you know, sports biographies and stuff like that. But Black Hawk Down, because it kind of started right from the beginning. I mean, they get into it, and it doesn't let up until, until the end. So, and it's based on a true story and 13 hours is also good. And now the guy, yeah. And what's that? We were soldiers. Yeah. Oh yeah. Mel Gibson. Yeah. That's another good one. Once it gets going, man, it doesn't let you up.

All right. That's just something I've always wondered. Just like, what is the undertaker doing his free time? he watching what is he putting on tv what's he going out to the theater you know were you expecting friday the 13th no no no i'm not one of those guys i'm not one of those guys all right taker thank you so much this has been an honor and a pleasure for the both of us don't forget wwe battlegrounds is out now go get the game it's an arcade style wrestling game gonna be a ton of fun. Undertaker's in the game, of course, obviously. And we'll catch you next time.

Absolutely, guys. Look forward to it. Thank you so much.