My Therapist Ghosted Me - MTGM EXTRA! "I can't picture my future with anyone else."
Episode Date: April 3, 2024This week... Is it Vogue or Joanne who occasionally turns up to a job and finds out they've also booked a 'hand model'? Plus, batch cooking, long-distance relationships and swimming in Lake Michigan.I...f you’d like to get in touch, you can send an email to hello@MTGMpod.comPlease review Global's Privacy Policy: https://global.com/legal/privacy-policy/For merch, tour dates and more visit: www.mytherapistghostedme.comFor more information about Joanne's gigs, just visit www.joannemcnally.comThis episode contains explicit language and adult themes that may not be suitable for all listeners.Thank you!
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                                         Hello. Welcome to the bonus episode of My Therapist Ghosted Me
                                         
                                         with me, Dara McNaughty and me, Bo Williams.
                                         
                                         Me Boag Williams If you come back here
                                         
                                         This house is your
                                         
    
                                         Me casa, Sue casa
                                         
                                         You own my room
                                         
                                         Me bed, me bed
                                         
                                         If I come home
                                         
                                         And you're already staying
                                         
                                         In my house and hoath
                                         
                                         You can kick me out
                                         
                                         There you go
                                         
    
                                         That's a real thing
                                         
                                         That's what we want
                                         
                                         I just read this thing
                                         
                                         If anyone tries to get into our bed,
                                         
                                         I will fucking kick off.
                                         
                                         John, there's not a hope in hell
                                         
                                         he's coming anywhere near our sheets.
                                         
                                         No.
                                         
    
                                         Disgusting.
                                         
                                         You're in the den in the back, you pig.
                                         
                                         Did you see Spenno's post?
                                         
                                         This is when I knew I was turning into a comedian,
                                         
                                         but I don't have comedic rights.
                                         
                                         So it's very,
                                         
                                         it's very,
                                         
                                         comedians are very snobby.
                                         
    
                                         There's a lot of people working as comics
                                         
                                         that other comedians don't believe
                                         
                                         are entitled to be doing so.
                                         
                                         They're like,
                                         
                                         they didn't do their time in the clubs.
                                         
                                         They didn't do their time.
                                         
                                         But sometimes I believe I can get away with a remark
                                         
                                         when actually I need to put myself back in the box
                                         
    
                                         of I am not a comedian. I can't it so he did a lovely post there is no lane fat
                                         
                                         enough to keep you in it there is no end to your abilities and talents there is no lane
                                         
                                         I'll tell you what happens your line go on Spenny did an amazing post the other night I don't know
                                         
                                         if you saw it it was about that every day he's getting women are commenting on his appearance and being like are you okay
                                         
                                         like la la la all these kind of things and like he was like i'm fed up of it like this is the
                                         
                                         best i've ever felt i'm really healthy nobody had all these comments when i was like um an alcohol
                                         
                                         an overweight alcoholic blah blah blah yeah and he'd written this, all this.
                                         
                                         That's actually really funny.
                                         
    
                                         But he'd written this whole lovely post,
                                         
                                         and I was like, that's such a nice post.
                                         
                                         And it was like,
                                         
                                         and all these women just asking me if I'm okay.
                                         
                                         And I was like, oh my God, don't do it,
                                         
                                         don't do it, don't do it, don't do it.
                                         
                                         All I wanted to write underneath it was,
                                         
                                         are you okay?
                                         
    
                                         Are you okay, hon?
                                         
                                         That's funny.
                                         
                                         And I couldn't I couldn't
                                         
                                         No
                                         
                                         But you know why
                                         
                                         He's getting so much abuse
                                         
                                         You could
                                         
                                         Why?
                                         
    
                                         Because
                                         
                                         No because
                                         
                                         I have a real soft spot for him
                                         
                                         I feel
                                         
                                         When he does a post like that
                                         
                                         It's coming from
                                         
                                         An authentic place
                                         
                                         I think he is
                                         
    
                                         Quite hurt
                                         
                                         That he's getting
                                         
                                         All these comments
                                         
                                         About his appearance
                                         
                                         But the reason he is
                                         
                                         Is because
                                         
                                         You've opened him up to that
                                         
                                         Ultimately it is your fault You've opened him up to that.
                                         
    
                                         Ultimately, it is your fault.
                                         
                                         You've made him the butt of so many of your jokes that now everyone else is piling on.
                                         
                                         You've now put yourself to blame.
                                         
                                         I don't want their anger redirected at me.
                                         
                                         Thank you very much.
                                         
                                         So you will take that back immediately.
                                         
                                         We don't deal with accountability with that joke.
                                         
                                         I thought you were going to say,
                                         
    
                                         he's getting all these comments
                                         
                                         because he hasn't been spending enough time with Dr. Ewan.
                                         
                                         I was going to agree with you.
                                         
                                         No.
                                         
                                         Listen, you know,
                                         
                                         I am a big fan of the slimy cereal killer look.
                                         
                                         Like it's literally my chef's kiss.
                                         
                                         That's my, that's my most.
                                         
    
                                         His body has never looked better.
                                         
                                         And I'm surprised he's getting that many comments.
                                         
                                         But I mean, you have to agree with Natasha.
                                         
                                         It's a bit frightening for me.
                                         
                                         Natasha is a bit frightening. So just to flag, there's some traffic noise coming. But I mean, you have to agree with Natasha. It's a bit frightening for me. Natasha's a bit frightening.
                                         
                                         Sorry, just to flag,
                                         
                                         there's some traffic noise
                                         
                                         coming in because
                                         
    
                                         I'm in Chicago
                                         
                                         and the hotel,
                                         
                                         the Wi-Fi in the hotel
                                         
                                         isn't good.
                                         
                                         So I've opened the windows
                                         
                                         to let it in.
                                         
                                         So I said,
                                         
                                         before you came on,
                                         
    
                                         I was saying to Joe,
                                         
                                         I was like,
                                         
                                         what is that noise?
                                         
                                         And I was like,
                                         
                                         it's the Wi-Fi coming in
                                         
                                         through the window,
                                         
                                         if you must know.
                                         
                                         Is that coming up
                                         
    
                                         from Lake Michigan as you were calling it earlier? Michigans. Yeah, it's coming up Through the window If you must know Is that coming up From Lake Michigan
                                         
                                         As you were calling it earlier
                                         
                                         Michigans
                                         
                                         Yeah it's coming up
                                         
                                         From the Lake Michigans
                                         
                                         Which is just to the right there
                                         
                                         By the silver bean
                                         
                                         I swam in that lake
                                         
    
                                         Are you sure
                                         
                                         That just wasn't the pool
                                         
                                         In your family home and house
                                         
                                         No
                                         
                                         I gave the song
                                         
                                         I'm not giving the pool
                                         
                                         Neil's too tight
                                         
                                         To bring on all days
                                         
    
                                         He's like yes folks
                                         
                                         We're in Lake Michigan
                                         
                                         Keep going babe
                                         
                                         Keep paddling away there
                                         
                                         When you're older
                                         
                                         Tell your mates
                                         
                                         Did you swim in Lake Michigan?
                                         
                                         Michigan
                                         
    
                                         I did swim in
                                         
                                         Lake Michigan
                                         
                                         I told you I was a
                                         
                                         Chicago native
                                         
                                         For three
                                         
                                         Three or four weeks
                                         
                                         One year
                                         
                                         Oh of course
                                         
    
                                         Yes yes yes
                                         
                                         I forgot about
                                         
                                         Yeah
                                         
                                         Forgot about the time
                                         
                                         You lived in Chicago
                                         
                                         For three days
                                         
                                         Yeah
                                         
                                         Oh there it is I did We lived in the time you lived in Chicago for three days. Yeah.
                                         
    
                                         Oh, there it is.
                                         
                                         I did.
                                         
                                         We lived in the,
                                         
                                         see Wi-Fi coming in.
                                         
                                         I like that noise.
                                         
                                         It brings a nice ambience.
                                         
                                         Doesn't it?
                                         
                                         I'm walking here.
                                         
    
                                         I'm walking,
                                         
                                         I'm walking or working, Jo?
                                         
                                         I'm walking here.
                                         
                                         I'm walking,
                                         
                                         I'm walking here.
                                         
                                         Yeah, I'm walking here.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         I just had to listen for a noise there.
                                         
    
                                         My auntie Naomi is up here
                                         
                                         because she gladly
                                         
                                         she kindly picked her up from the airport
                                         
                                         and she
                                         
                                         and she's like
                                         
                                         I'm like I'm just doing a podcast now
                                         
                                         I think she's in there playing
                                         
                                         the kids piano
                                         
    
                                         I'm not
                                         
                                         I'm not even joking
                                         
                                         she's like now it seems like a really good time
                                         
                                         she's meant to be doing her French homework
                                         
                                         sound is the most important part of the whole thing
                                         
                                         but now it seems like a good time
                                         
                                         to bang out an old tune
                                         
                                         she told me she was going in there
                                         
    
                                         to do her French homework
                                         
                                         that woman has been doing French lessons for 15 years
                                         
                                         I said to her today have you improved
                                         
                                         nope
                                         
                                         it's very hard unless you're on the ground
                                         
                                         no you have to be
                                         
                                         Living over there
                                         
                                         It's why
                                         
    
                                         When I was living in Chicago
                                         
                                         I came home
                                         
                                         With a Chicago accent
                                         
                                         I would believe that
                                         
                                         Sign of a music
                                         
                                         Oh there it is
                                         
                                         Coming in
                                         
                                         Look
                                         
    
                                         Here's the wifi
                                         
                                         Can you hear it
                                         
                                         It's a long one
                                         
                                         It's a long bit of wifi
                                         
                                         There we are
                                         
                                         Here I want to ask you
                                         
                                         About something
                                         
                                         Eva Mendez
                                         
    
                                         Eva Mendez
                                         
                                         What do you call her
                                         
                                         Eva
                                         
                                         She just goes
                                         
                                         We had a non-verbal agreement
                                         
                                         that I would be a stay-at-home mum.
                                         
                                         Did you read that?
                                         
                                         Just staying at home,
                                         
    
                                         getting railed by Ryan Gosling every day.
                                         
                                         Jesus Christ.
                                         
                                         Sorry now, Jo.
                                         
                                         Sorry, Jo.
                                         
                                         Sorry if you're not able to handle
                                         
                                         my female sexuality.
                                         
                                         It's not my problem.
                                         
                                         I agree with her.
                                         
    
                                         I think that sounds like a fantastic life to have.
                                         
                                         I'd just lie there and be like a fantastic life to have, really.
                                         
                                         I'd just lie there and be like, when are you back?
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Yeah, when are you back?
                                         
                                         When are you coming back, Ken?
                                         
                                         Yum.
                                         
                                         I'm ready.
                                         
    
                                         I'd even wear nice knickers every day.
                                         
                                         Same, same.
                                         
                                         I would, yeah.
                                         
                                         Wink, wink.
                                         
                                         There'd be no period.
                                         
                                         There'd be no period kn'd be no no period knickers
                                         
                                         that you just couldn't
                                         
                                         bear to throw away
                                         
    
                                         it's fine
                                         
                                         they'll be fine
                                         
                                         nothing grey
                                         
                                         in that wardrobe
                                         
                                         yeah
                                         
                                         I mean it's Eva Mendes
                                         
                                         I'd say she just
                                         
                                         kind of menstruates
                                         
    
                                         glitter
                                         
                                         it's kind of sexiness
                                         
                                         yeah
                                         
                                         she's not
                                         
                                         I was gonna say
                                         
                                         she's very glowy
                                         
                                         we tried to send her
                                         
                                         some bare by vote
                                         
    
                                         glow stuff
                                         
                                         and she doesn't need it
                                         
                                         she just is a glow
                                         
                                         no
                                         
                                         did you try
                                         
                                         did you try
                                         
                                         jeez I almost sent her
                                         
                                         a metallic bag
                                         
    
                                         did you send her
                                         
                                         she won't want anything
                                         
                                         she's
                                         
                                         Eva has the life
                                         
                                         that we all want to be living
                                         
                                         can you imagine being at home
                                         
                                         when she's two kids
                                         
                                         so that's like at a level
                                         
    
                                         that you can handle
                                         
                                         I'd say she definitely
                                         
                                         has a cleaner
                                         
                                         probably a housekeeper
                                         
                                         and then Ryan Gosling just comes home and then when she wants me time he's gone away in
                                         
                                         a movie set making her millions of dollars thrilled yeah she's like put on your roller
                                         
                                         skates I'm done with you now and just pushes him out the door off he goes weee back into town
                                         
                                         hey Vogue and Joanne
                                         
    
                                         I feel like there's
                                         
                                         a conversation to be had
                                         
                                         about the man baby phenomenon
                                         
                                         how do they exist
                                         
                                         how do they sustain themselves
                                         
                                         how do they function
                                         
                                         day to day
                                         
                                         why do we keep
                                         
    
                                         having sex with them
                                         
                                         oh
                                         
                                         I met a guy
                                         
                                         after chatting on the apps
                                         
                                         for a bit
                                         
                                         one eventful
                                         
                                         but enjoyable date
                                         
                                         passed
                                         
    
                                         no flags
                                         
                                         on the second date I dropped the act that I wasn enjoyable date passed. No flags. On the second date
                                         
                                         I dropped the act
                                         
                                         that I wasn't going
                                         
                                         home with him.
                                         
                                         I 100% was
                                         
                                         because he had
                                         
                                         huge sexy hands.
                                         
    
                                         It's a thing.
                                         
                                         Well I have huge
                                         
                                         sexy hands as well
                                         
                                         thank you very much.
                                         
                                         No Vogue
                                         
                                         you just have
                                         
                                         huge hands.
                                         
                                         There's a huge
                                         
    
                                         huge difference.
                                         
                                         Your hands make no sense.
                                         
                                         Stop waving them around.
                                         
                                         It's disgusting.
                                         
                                         Go on.
                                         
                                         They're taking up the whole screen.
                                         
                                         Imagine when I dance at raves.
                                         
                                         I just block the DJ for everyone.
                                         
    
                                         You must know.
                                         
                                         I mean, you've never been offered a hand collab.
                                         
                                         You know that in yourself.
                                         
                                         In your heart of hearts, you know there's a reason for that.
                                         
                                         Joanne, not even that.
                                         
                                         When I have gone to do certain ads
                                         
                                         right i'm not joking you they have had a hand model there so it wouldn't be my hands in the
                                         
                                         show are you joking yeah no i'm serious well i think that's because hand modeling is like its
                                         
    
                                         own thing it's like its own genre of modeling but that is also insulting to you yes i wasn't really that insulted because
                                         
                                         i kind of got it you know what i mean yeah it's obvious i'm surprised i haven't gotten someone in
                                         
                                         with a smaller mouth thank god even your wedding photos the close-ups of the ring it's someone else
                                         
                                         spence is like someone else's hand for the close-ups please especially my wedding photos
                                         
                                         yeah spence is like we can't use our real hands in the first wedding this is the problem in the someone else's hand for the cloud subs please especially my wedding photos yeah
                                         
                                         Spencer's like
                                         
                                         we can't use our real hands
                                         
                                         in the first wedding
                                         
    
                                         this is the problem
                                         
                                         in the first wedding
                                         
                                         we used the real hands
                                         
                                         and they basically
                                         
                                         we ruined all the pictures
                                         
                                         so we couldn't actually
                                         
                                         use the pictures
                                         
                                         because my hands
                                         
    
                                         just took up the whole shot
                                         
                                         so the second time round
                                         
                                         we decided to go
                                         
                                         with a hand model
                                         
                                         even the photographer
                                         
                                         is like
                                         
                                         I have all the Photoshop apps
                                         
                                         but even they
                                         
    
                                         can't handle this.
                                         
                                         They just collapsed.
                                         
                                         I must show you
                                         
                                         the wedding pictures
                                         
                                         of Sveni and I in Scotland.
                                         
                                         We had this lovely lady
                                         
                                         who was,
                                         
                                         I don't know,
                                         
    
                                         what's it called,
                                         
                                         officiating,
                                         
                                         who was marrying us,
                                         
                                         basically.
                                         
                                         But she had this
                                         
                                         huge,
                                         
                                         big mop of curly hair
                                         
                                         in every single picture.
                                         
    
                                         All you could see, like, behind my head was this big outline of curly hair. In every single picture, all you could see,
                                         
                                         like behind my head,
                                         
                                         was this big outline of curly hair.
                                         
                                         And there was nothing we could do about it.
                                         
                                         Like they were all there.
                                         
                                         But the photographer didn't think to say,
                                         
                                         like, all of your pictures
                                         
                                         are just going to have this lump of hair in them.
                                         
    
                                         And now we've just got hair pictures.
                                         
                                         A different type of bride now
                                         
                                         would have asked her to shave her head.
                                         
                                         I've read stories.
                                         
                                         I was a pregnant bride.
                                         
                                         I'd already fucked up,
                                         
                                         so it didn't matter.
                                         
                                         Yeah, you're like,
                                         
    
                                         let's just get this done.
                                         
                                         Quickly sign the papers.
                                         
                                         Deliver it.
                                         
                                         Okay, please,
                                         
                                         back to the emails.
                                         
                                         Sorry.
                                         
                                         He was absolutely...
                                         
                                         He probably could get himself out of the marriage
                                         
    
                                         if he wanted to.
                                         
                                         He'd had half a bottle of whiskey before the wedding.
                                         
                                         He was really bad that day.
                                         
                                         There was no consent there,
                                         
                                         but let's not focus on that.
                                         
                                         You're bad to a multimillionaire.
                                         
                                         Say nothing.
                                         
                                         Everyone look, nothing to see here
                                         
    
                                         everyone look ahead
                                         
                                         stop looking over here
                                         
                                         keep smiling
                                         
                                         keep fucking smiling
                                         
                                         mom
                                         
                                         smile mom
                                         
                                         you're like roofying
                                         
                                         your own husband
                                         
    
                                         at the wedding
                                         
                                         just in case he comes to
                                         
                                         and realises what's happened
                                         
                                         he did get a fright
                                         
                                         when he gave up the booze
                                         
                                         it wasn't the booze fright
                                         
                                         he got a fright when he saw me and booze it wasn't the booze fright he got a fright
                                         
                                         when he saw me
                                         
    
                                         and I was still there
                                         
                                         he was like
                                         
                                         what the fuck
                                         
                                         oh well
                                         
                                         it is what it is
                                         
                                         night time activities
                                         
                                         took place
                                         
                                         and they were as average
                                         
    
                                         as any first time
                                         
                                         roll around to the morning
                                         
                                         and he's up at 6am
                                         
                                         for work
                                         
                                         great
                                         
                                         I politely followed him downstairs and watch him eat a disgusting bacon roll he offered me nothing
                                         
                                         oh my god that is so rude that is so rude but wait to hear this then his mother let herself
                                         
                                         in with his lunch box for work oh my god she gave it to him kissed him on the lips and then left like he was a little
                                         
    
                                         school boy this was a man in his early 40s with an actual job we haven't seen each other since
                                         
                                         it was a mutual ghosting lord let the next one be a real adult now i haven't had now i can't
                                         
                                         really call spenny a man baby because he just gets other people to do stuff for him like not necessarily his mom he'll just pay away the problem
                                         
                                         he's just resourceful really
                                         
                                         I guess
                                         
                                         and willing to delegate
                                         
                                         he's a delegator
                                         
                                         sorry your mom making your lunch
                                         
    
                                         for work it's not even a special
                                         
                                         picnic event it's just like the day
                                         
                                         that's just like the normal day to day behavior
                                         
                                         that is
                                         
                                         your mom sending you to work with a cheese drink get a life event. It's just like the day, that's just like the normal day-to-day behaviour. That is gross.
                                         
                                         Your mom's sending you to work with
                                         
                                         a cheese drink. Get a life
                                         
                                         fucking loser. She might as well
                                         
    
                                         just ripped her brow off and fucking breastfed
                                         
                                         him in front of his one night stand.
                                         
                                         Disgusting. In that situation,
                                         
                                         rightly or wrongly,
                                         
                                         I do feel
                                         
                                         the mother has a role
                                         
                                         to play there as well.
                                         
                                         Like there comes a stage
                                         
    
                                         where surely you have to say
                                         
                                         you need to fend for yourself here.
                                         
                                         I would say that's mostly down to the mother.
                                         
                                         Like I was only,
                                         
                                         I was talking to Sven about this recently
                                         
                                         and Alexander has friends, right?
                                         
                                         And he's one friend who's so lovely,
                                         
                                         but like the friend moved to London
                                         
    
                                         and like when he went home,
                                         
                                         like eight months later,
                                         
                                         his mom was like,
                                         
                                         have you washed this towel?
                                         
                                         Like he didn't even know
                                         
                                         that you had to wash a towel.
                                         
                                         So he'd been using the towel after every shower I just thought because he was clean the towel was clean
                                         
                                         it's like how did you not teach him that hold on that's actually that's actually that's actually
                                         
    
                                         not a bad take on it Joanne's gonna only wash your towel every three weeks now that actually
                                         
                                         makes complete sense to me if I'm clean what's what's the problem? That's the cleanest I'm
                                         
                                         ever going to be throughout the day.
                                         
                                         That's actually a really good angle.
                                         
                                         You don't get rid of all the particles.
                                         
                                         You don't get rid of all the particles.
                                         
                                         This is really...
                                         
                                         This guy's ahead of his time.
                                         
    
                                         Who is he?
                                         
                                         My mum, Todd Alexander.
                                         
                                         I think me and him could be really happy together
                                         
                                         Hey what perfume are you wearing?
                                         
                                         Eau de Damp
                                         
                                         Like it just seemed rotten
                                         
                                         Smell of crust
                                         
                                         Oh that'll be me
                                         
    
                                         Yeah
                                         
                                         There's a smell like old dust
                                         
                                         Me
                                         
                                         Me
                                         
                                         But that makes sense Anyway look Trust me. Me.
                                         
                                         But that makes sense.
                                         
                                         Anyway, look.
                                         
                                         My mum taught Alexander how to make a spaghetti bolognese, right?
                                         
    
                                         And I kid you not, right?
                                         
                                         He was over, he was living over here down at my mum's house.
                                         
                                         And he was like, I'm off to make my food for the week.
                                         
                                         I was like, oh, cool.
                                         
                                         What are you making?
                                         
                                         He goes, spaghetti bolognese.
                                         
                                         And I was like, and what else?
                                         
                                         He was like, just spaghetti bolognese.
                                         
    
                                         And I was like, so when do you eat it?
                                         
                                         He had spaghetti bolognese from Sunday lunchtime for every meal until Thursday.
                                         
                                         And it was lunch and dinner, spaghetti bolognese the whole time.
                                         
                                         And then he'd treat himself to a takeaway on Friday
                                         
                                         and then it was back to spaghetti bolognese.
                                         
                                         But that to me just screams consistency, which I think is a great thing to have.
                                         
                                         Like I would eat the same thing now over and over and over.
                                         
                                         Ah, so would I.
                                         
    
                                         I don't see the point in spicing up your dinners like that.
                                         
                                         Like I'd be on Aldo's side there now.
                                         
                                         Yeah, but you'd eat a chicken salad for your whole life.
                                         
                                         Like that's all you'd eat that every day till the day you die.
                                         
                                         Look, I was very impressed before I came to America.
                                         
                                         I batch cooked a chicken sirfie,
                                         
                                         which is in the freezer now at home.
                                         
                                         And I keep thinking about it.
                                         
    
                                         God, I'm very surprised.
                                         
                                         We're taking it back, Joanne.
                                         
                                         You have to let us know when you're going to say something like that.
                                         
                                         It's really, it's...
                                         
                                         I know.
                                         
                                         Sorry, I should have put a trigger warning on this joke.
                                         
                                         Joanne cooked!
                                         
                                         I was...
                                         
    
                                         While I was doing it, I was like,
                                         
                                         what is this?
                                         
                                         What's happening?
                                         
                                         It's very therapeutic to cook.
                                         
                                         I love cooking.
                                         
                                         There's another brass going in here.
                                         
                                         I guess this is batch cooking.
                                         
                                         Is that what this is?
                                         
    
                                         Dear Vogue, Joanne and Jo.
                                         
                                         Newish listener, love the pot.
                                         
                                         I'm having an internal crisis and I need some help.
                                         
                                         I'm 23 and my boyfriend and I of five years,
                                         
                                         we were together since we were 17,
                                         
                                         broke up six months ago.
                                         
                                         I moved abroad for one year for work and we broke up three months in. It wasn't so much
                                         
                                         the distance that came between us. It was more like we were on different paths. I was
                                         
    
                                         living my new life abroad and he was stuck at home doing the same old. We were having
                                         
                                         problems before I moved away, fighting over silly things and just not being kind to each
                                         
                                         other. To be honest, I think we both needed time apart to deal with our own personal issues
                                         
                                         before we could be good to each other like we deserved.
                                         
                                         God, this is...
                                         
                                         Yeah, very grown up for...
                                         
                                         I'm a mature 23-year-old, isn't it?
                                         
                                         Wow.
                                         
    
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         I'd be back here in his car even if I broke up with him.
                                         
                                         I'd be like, you'll suffer.
                                         
                                         But I loved and still love him so much
                                         
                                         and he was my best friend
                                         
                                         and I cannot picture my future with anyone else
                                         
                                         no matter how hard I try.
                                         
                                         I very much feel like it's a right person,
                                         
    
                                         wrong time situation.
                                         
                                         Wow.
                                         
                                         So my problem is that I feel like
                                         
                                         I'm finding it hard to move on
                                         
                                         because I feel like in my head
                                         
                                         I'm thinking that we will eventually get back together
                                         
                                         once we are both okay, in inverted commas.
                                         
                                         I've kissed a fair few lads and done some extras.
                                         
    
                                         Only slept with one guy.
                                         
                                         It was awful, of course. I want to move on, lads and done some extras. Only slept with one guy. It was awful.
                                         
                                         Of course.
                                         
                                         I want to move on but I also want to be with him.
                                         
                                         Please help.
                                         
                                         Well, hold on a sec.
                                         
                                         Let me just read.
                                         
                                         So,
                                         
    
                                         you only broke up six months ago.
                                         
                                         That's nothing.
                                         
                                         I wouldn't be expecting
                                         
                                         to be any further along
                                         
                                         in your journey than that.
                                         
                                         You're actually quite far along,
                                         
                                         I think.
                                         
                                         And you seem to be very
                                         
    
                                         emotionally intelligent
                                         
                                         and kind of self-aware. And you, like, that's very far along I think and you seem to be very emotionally intelligent and kind of self-aware
                                         
                                         and you like
                                         
                                         that's very impressive
                                         
                                         I think
                                         
                                         I think as well
                                         
                                         and not to sound condescending
                                         
                                         because of your age
                                         
    
                                         but I think that like
                                         
                                         if like
                                         
                                         let's say for instance
                                         
                                         you were my child
                                         
                                         which
                                         
                                         could I have you
                                         
                                         could I have
                                         
                                         possibly
                                         
    
                                         if you were my child
                                         
                                         yeah
                                         
                                         no
                                         
                                         I know I couldn't have had you
                                         
                                         she could be my child
                                         
                                         I was quite an early
                                         
                                         starter anyway humble brag over what age were you what age were you like 10 first year in school
                                         
                                         i was three months old whatever anyway anyway not to sound condescending for your age but let's say
                                         
    
                                         you were my child what i would say to you is i think it would be really nice to go and like live
                                         
                                         a life outside of this person and what's nice to go and like live a life outside
                                         
                                         of this person and what's meant to be will always find a way and I think that when you're 23 you
                                         
                                         should really go and just enjoy yourself you're away now like I remember when I lived in Australia
                                         
                                         and I didn't enjoy myself and then when I went back with you Joanne I was like I absolutely
                                         
                                         love this place and I was kind of disappointed that I hadn't made more of an effort when I lived
                                         
                                         there last time to really enjoy it so wherever you are go enjoy it go out explore of course when you sleep with somebody
                                         
                                         for one night stand it's never going to be that great just keep trying yeah especially when you're
                                         
    
                                         still in you're still connected to someone else that's the thing yeah sometimes the rebound thing
                                         
                                         you kind of force yourself you're like oh I need to get back I need to do this to you hope that
                                         
                                         the sex with someone else will break the connection with the previous person
                                         
                                         but sometimes
                                         
                                         it has the opposite effect
                                         
                                         it actually just makes you
                                         
                                         miss them more
                                         
                                         because you have this
                                         
    
                                         because sex with no intimacy
                                         
                                         is a different experience
                                         
                                         to sex with intimacy
                                         
                                         so when you're
                                         
                                         when you're in love with someone
                                         
                                         the sex is different
                                         
                                         when you've sexed a stranger
                                         
                                         you're like oh my god
                                         
    
                                         I've never felt so empty inside
                                         
                                         this is what I would say as well
                                         
                                         when you
                                         
                                         I had a breakup
                                         
                                         I've had loads of breakups.
                                         
                                         Two of them, I thought to myself,
                                         
                                         I will never recover from these.
                                         
                                         This will just be, I will just be damaged from this.
                                         
    
                                         I will live my life and I will go on and survive,
                                         
                                         but I will always want to be with that person ultimately.
                                         
                                         And you know what?
                                         
                                         I don't anymore at all.
                                         
                                         It just takes time
                                         
                                         Everything heals
                                         
                                         It just does
                                         
                                         You just
                                         
    
                                         I know time
                                         
                                         It's really
                                         
                                         It's really frustrating advice
                                         
                                         Because
                                         
                                         There's no shortcuts
                                         
                                         You just have to
                                         
                                         Go through it
                                         
                                         And be nice to yourself
                                         
    
                                         Yeah be nice to yourself
                                         
                                         Because you're actually doing really well
                                         
                                         But be nice to yourself
                                         
                                         But just remember
                                         
                                         Really well
                                         
                                         Treat it
                                         
                                         Treat it as a new experience
                                         
                                         Go out
                                         
    
                                         Enjoy
                                         
                                         Like you're 23
                                         
                                         You're like
                                         
                                         You're not old and battered Like Joanne and I experience go out enjoy like you're 23 you're like you're not old and battered
                                         
                                         like Joanne and I
                                         
                                         so go and enjoy yourself
                                         
                                         exactly
                                         
                                         you're a life out of you
                                         
    
                                         you know what I mean
                                         
                                         and you're
                                         
                                         also
                                         
                                         it's
                                         
                                         when you're away
                                         
                                         you can also get a bit homesick
                                         
                                         but you
                                         
                                         but you obviously had the sense
                                         
    
                                         to know
                                         
                                         that you're a bit young
                                         
                                         to be in a relationship
                                         
                                         that serious because you're away and you're trying new experiences and stuff it's just
                                         
                                         time I guarantee I cannot say this enough I've been there I thought I'd never get over them I'm
                                         
                                         over both of them and sure I thought I'd marry all my ex-boyfriends and I only married a couple of
                                         
                                         them but I thought I'd marry all of them so you know I know she only married half of them yeah how stupid would I god my first boyfriend when he broke up
                                         
                                         with me every seven minutes I was convinced that getting pregnant with his child would be the
                                         
    
                                         solution for the two of us because I was so now that's different you and this guy
                                         
                                         obviously you're like
                                         
                                         look what's wrong time
                                         
                                         right people wrong time
                                         
                                         I was like
                                         
                                         oh he's the right guy
                                         
                                         this is the right time
                                         
                                         I'm willing to
                                         
    
                                         completely
                                         
                                         tie myself
                                         
                                         to this man
                                         
                                         for the eternity
                                         
                                         by having his child
                                         
                                         I can tell you now
                                         
                                         I'm pretty fucking glad
                                         
                                         I didn't
                                         
    
                                         oh my god
                                         
                                         stop
                                         
                                         I know
                                         
                                         imagine me here
                                         
                                         in Chicago
                                         
                                         with a 14 year old.
                                         
                                         Where's Chicago?
                                         
                                         Chicago, do you mean?
                                         
    
                                         Chicago, obviously, yeah.
                                         
                                         Where you used to live?
                                         
                                         Michigan.
                                         
                                         Everyone's asking for you here about.
                                         
                                         They're all like,
                                         
                                         where's Vogue?
                                         
                                         She used to live here.
                                         
                                         Oh my God, I know, yeah.
                                         
    
                                         And with that,
                                         
                                         we are going to say goodbye to you.
                                         
                                         Thank you so much
                                         
                                         for listening to the bonus episode
                                         
                                         we will be back
                                         
                                         Amber's just staring at me now
                                         
                                         I'm frightened
                                         
                                         I don't know what I've done
                                         
    
                                         I didn't get her vodka
                                         
                                         on the way home
                                         
                                         they didn't have any
                                         
                                         on the plane
                                         
                                         I'm dead
                                         
                                         I didn't get her
                                         
                                         a 200 fags
                                         
                                         and Judy Freed
                                         
    
                                         fucking rage
                                         
                                         gentle plugging
                                         
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                                         so when this starts
                                         
                                         Taskmaster will have started
                                         
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                                         every Thursday
                                         
    
                                         I'll have to tuck in
                                         
                                         a little plug as well
                                         
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