New Heights with Jason and Travis Kelce - Andy Reid on Drafting the Kelce Brothers, Coaching Mahomes, Super Bowl Memories & More | EP 38

Episode Date: May 10, 2023

92%ers we are back with another episode of New Heights presented by our friends at Fireball.  In this episode, we are joined by maybe our most requested guest. It’s the two-time Super Bowl Champion head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs Andy Reid!  Coach Reid talks with the guys about his real first impression of Travis (8:50), what advice led him to become an NFL head coach (14:10), the biggest takeaway from his time in Philly (24:10), and if Travis will ever get another shot at QB (28:41).  We also dive into how he coaches Patrick Mahomes (30:15), how he felt coaching against his former team in the Super Bowl (35:25 ), how NFL offenses have changed since he started coaching (39:00), and most importantly, his go-to fast food burger (42:25).  As always, watch and listen to new episodes of New Heights with Jason and Travis Kelce every Wednesday & check us out on Instagram, Twitter, and Tik Tok for all the best moments from the show.  Merch: https://homage.com/newheights  Support the Show:   Fireball: Enjoy the #1 shot in the country responsibly and visit https://www.fireballwhisky.com to find out where you can purchase those little cinnamon delights  Seat Geek: Use code KELCE20 for $20 off your first SeatGeek order. https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/KELCE20 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What does it feel like when you just you see my homes out there just take control of the game like what is that feeling for you as a head coach a little bit like in the Super Bowl. I'm not telling you that's not to rub it in or anything but it's alright. It's gonna be all we want more. I will get you a head coach. Just hang on, I'll pass it to you. I'll lend you my shirt. A little bit. Ladies and gentlemen boys and girls it is a hot seat today welcome back to new heights

Presented by wave sports and entertainment and brought to you by our friends at fireball the pound for pound Undisputed best shot of the world We are your host. I'm I'm Travis Kelsey is my big brother Jason Kelsey. I had a Cincinnati, Ohio I started Cleveland Ohio Cincinnati Bearcast don't forget it When new episodes come to every Wednesday and subscribe on YouTube wherever you get your podcasts follow on social media platforms at new Heights show with one s Jason can you tell the people why these seats are so hot today? I mean as you can tell what Travis fumbling over the intro're nervous. And we're nervous because this is the one interview

we've been looking forward to doing since we started the show. We got the guy who's responsible for getting us both into the NFL. He's right here with us. He's the six three off into tackle from John Marshall Heist. John Marshall! He is a former NFL coach of the year.

He's a coach of the year, every year in our book. Second in career runs amongst active head coaches. He is the only coach who appeared in four consecutive conference championship games with two different franchises. This year he became a two-time football champion, which is, I should be sad, but I can't be sad about this guy when he was a kid. One between, he's made it.

Took the world by storm with a state farm commercial's last year, who proved that he does have acting ability. That's it. You know who it is. It's the big man. Big red, Andy Reed is in the building. Co-treaters with us. I don't know how we got this to happen.

I mean, Travis finally, how did it happen? Travis finally asked you? Yeah, no, he asked me. He kind of asked me. We're just having fun wrap on Twitter or no, it wasn't Twitter. It was on our... In Texas, yeah. A text of it.

And I just bid on it like a big dog. That's good. Maybe. Real to me. I'm in. I'm fully in. I'm in the grease to get out of this seat. Are you ready?

Are you ready to go? Are you upset that it took so long for him to... Were you waiting for us to ask you? No, I'd heard through the grapevine that you guys were a little nervous to ask. Not that that's a good thing. Do you have that effect on every player? Like is this something about us that you just want to be? Listen if you guys are nervous, yeah.

I'd really be surprised. With all that we've gone through. Yeah, especially my left side. I've got my right side and my left side. Let's get into it, man. So we're going to start off. We always do this thing, new news. Can you hit us with it?

We go, new news. New news. Let you do your version. You ain't got to do it. You got to do it. Yeah, let's go. But first, as always, new news. New news. news news.

No news. All right. See what these new news is today. Trap, what did you finally text to get the big on the show? Man, I tell you what, I am softly just said that me and you would really appreciate it if you would consider it. And I'll tell you what coach, you hit me with an all-time liner.

And it really made me feel like I was one of your, as you said, that man, you really don't do this kind of stuff but you would do a backflip for the Kelsey's baby. I got it. So me and Jason got a crazy bet. Have you ever done a backflip? You know what? You know what?

Believe it or not, I took Jim Nassik class. What? I knew it! I did. How long? Yeah, that was about how high Something in college and all the pretty girls are on the Gymnastics team. I had to do it right in front of them.

You know, they were working out. Janela? I kind of did it. Yeah! That's a surprise. Yeah, yeah. Those guys got back flips before. Those days are over though.

I gotta say, I have tried to do a back flip into a pool. I can't do it. My brain has like a point where I get to like about halfway. Don't kill yourself. And I just land on my head every single time. I just don't do it. We need a betcha.

We need a betcha cheeseburger and you'll get all the time. I'll find out how to do it. That's right. Throw the head back and let's roll. When you first heard that we were doing a podcast or a show in the middle of a season, what was your reaction? What did you think? Well, I knew with you heading it up,

that we'd be okay. See, it's a lot of pressure right there, but no, it worked out. My only worry was that you were gonna retire. You're gonna get so good at this. Yeah. That you were gonna retire. And then I didn't think it was so good.

I knew you'd keep him under control. Yeah, we were such out of the control. We saw each other the combine, and you definitely were putting the, you were letting me know that, unless you're fully ready to retire, you shouldn't do that yet. Yeah, you don't want to do that yet. You got a lot in the tank.

I appreciated that. It was awesome seeing you there. But listen, if you do retire, you got a good gig going right here. Yeah, no, yeah. We've set it up pretty good. We're on home with this one, yeah. Yeah, we're having too much fun playing still.

This is a nice side hustle, but I mean, we both met in the Super Bowl last year. Congratulations on number two. Yeah. I appreciate it. How many, you've been to five? Six, yeah. Six.

Man, I'm sure changing. Three and three. Oh my gosh. Well, yeah, congrats on your second one. I appreciate it. I do. Not to you. Only. No, well, it's my job to get more than 500.

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I drafted Jason, I drafted Travis. And if there's any other Kelsey's out there, I'll draft them too. So I'm asking you right now on the spot, why my daughter is three years old? If you're still coaching in 18 years, can we get another Kelsey drafting? Absolutely. Absolutely. You've got a wife, you've got a baby girl. Do you remember what led to me getting drafted? And do you remember? I think we all remember what led to him getting draft because And do you remember, I think we all remember what led to him getting drafted

because all three of us were on the phone that day. Well, I guess what's the story behind mine? Mine, mine and then we'll talk about traces. Here's what's really easy. So you're a great player. Okay. A little bit undersized. Yeah.

But had tremendous toughness, speed, you were smart and dirty tough. And so, you know, that was an easy decision. And we needed a center. And so, you fit in, we just got rid of all that linebacker stuff and you gave you the hard mud and cut your loose. Yeah.

This guy, I saw a play against Temple, and my son kept telling me, this tight in as an unbelievable Kelsey's brother is like incredible He's 265 pounds. He's a beast and the night fence and I Know that I get him. He's like 240, but that's I remember that so I'm gonna bring back a memory for you games over just destroyed Temple and I come over the locker room, you're there. Yep. And he comes walk, be popping out and just given me the business. Yeah. Like we're long lost friends. I'm going, I'm deep down, I'm going, if I

get my hands on that son of a buck, I'm going to rip his heart. But I play along with it. Yeah. I play. along. Cocky, cocky. Jamie is cocky. Yeah, but listen, I knew the roots. I knew the roots. So for the first five years, it's been, it was a war. The last five years been unbelievable. You know, he traveled the country to 50 states.

50, I knew this show would to 50 states I knew this show I knew this show would be easy. Yeah, this is nothing we name what we name plays after we better fun And that play has been a hell of a play for a coach. No, it has it has Constant seven not that show though not that show I show we won't rerun that show I don't think anybody's rerunrunning that. Do you think so? Back to draft night, does Travis get drafted if you hadn't drafted me in New Me already?

But the red flags that were kind of out there around him? Yeah, that would have been tough. If you were in the league, I still would have called you. Yeah, I would have called you. Somewhere I would have called you and checked on him just to make sure, because I had heard the rumors about them. Yeah. What do you think now having known those rumors and now having coached them for 10 years? Yeah. So like I said, for like the first five years, those rumors were pretty close.

Yeah. For the next five years, they've been awesome. I mean, I've watched some blossom in a leader, and I mean, he's always been a great player, but, you know, tremendous leader, big heart, teammates, love him. You're not the only leader in the family, but you know that, no. So, Travis, show your personality, baby. That's right.

That's one of the beautiful things that I think is behind your coaching philosophy is everybody has to lead in their own way. And Travis does it his way, I do it mine. I think Travis's personality He always cares about his teammates always wants to win just a little bit young and trying to have a little bit too much fun But it's caught up never have too much. I told you guys let your personality show. Yes, he threw the flag at the official That was a big pick it up and handed it to that's the difference

I'm glad you got the official. That was a man. You picked it up and handed it to him. That's the difference. Huh? That's an amazing clip. So I don't even know if we need to ask this, but who did you yell at most? Never. He was me, Travis.

All right. Well, I was I was worse with him. Yeah. No, it was every day. It was every day, baby. But hey, listen, that's how you know that I, that's how I knew that you saw something in me though. So you already know I never, I never reacted in a bad way.

Did I? No, not yet. I was always ready to just rock and roll, baby. Yeah. Yeah, now you're good with it. You already know it's all you young guys out there. Don't be afraid to get yelled at. Ha ha ha.

We got to ask this was Travis. Travis very upset that he wasn't the first tight end drafted his draft year Was he the first tight end on the Chiefs Draft Board that he actually was the first one really? Yeah, you're not making this up. No, I'm sorry. No, we were gonna get him. That's who you want That's who we want. Yeah, John Dorsey was a part of this. I mean you can double check with John But I was a that was a slam dunk. Yeah, he was gonna be a chief I'm here I'm fired up right now. Sorry. Well you gotta get it. All right, let's give you going then uh

career rewind here coach. Let's talk some coaching stories and Let's talk a little coaching in the NFL. When did you first know that you wanted to be a head coach in the league? Yeah, so I wanted to be the best line coach ever. OK. That's what I wanted to be. College.

And then if the pros worked out, it'd be the pros. Yeah. And then my congrats said, I need to get out of the box. Wait, she was a quarterback. So I listened to him, right? We listened to the quarterbacks. Yeah. Sometimes. So I jumped out of the box. Where she was a quarterback, so I listened to him, right? We listened to the quarterbacks sometimes. So I jumped out of the box and coached the tight ends. And then he goes, you got to get further out of the box and go coach the quarterbacks.

So I coached the quarterbacks. And then once you get into that quarterback room, then you go, you know what, there's a chance this thing is going to happen. And so just because I'm coaching Brett Farve, who at that time was the greatest quarterback ever, right? So I was very fortunate to have that opportunity. And so then I had an idea that there would be a chance. Do you think coaching offensive line helped you?

No, absolutely. Right now. If you can coach the offensive line, you can coach anything. Why do you say that? Because it's an abnormal position. When you come out eventually, you're going to run. You're going to crawl, you're going to walk, you're going to run. But you're not going to be in a three-point state.

That doesn't come normal. No, that's right. Do you like the O'Line room more or the quarterback room more? Triffully, I've liked all three positions. Okay. I've coached the center of the guard and the tackle. No, I've coached the O'Line, the O'Line, the quarterbacks, and the tight ends, had a blast in O'Line.

Yeah. And there are different personalities for each position. And the O'Line is the most stable of the group. The quarterbacks along with the center have to know the most. Right. And so you're open to that world. They have to deal with the media, the organization,

and how they lead the organization. And then the tight ends are somewhere right in the middle of that. And they're normally a bit flamboyant. Yeah. That's a great work. It's the second time. No, kill it. Kill it. Kill it. How? That's the edge of it. I'm using 40 you from now on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He more chicken. Would you just talked about Holgrim through BYU, Missouri,

all the college teams and even in Green Bay or even in Philly. We like to talk mentors. Outside of just him, are there any other mentors that really made impact here? Yeah, absolutely. I was lucky to have great high school coaches, youth coaches, high school coaches, went to junior college, at great junior college coaches. I mean, we won championship scott all the way along the line there and then I go to BYU and I've got a Hall of Fame college coach in Lavelle Edwards, who I was like, the teacher's pet with him. He treated me like gold, and I love him and his family.

And then I go into the college ranks and all these different places, the head coaches. I was actually with the same head coach at UTEP and Missouri Bob Stull, and phenomenal head coach and Larry Contarrat and Northern Arizona, who you met the old guy that was at practice, 98 years old. It was a Elvis Beach. Unbelievable.

So all these guys, I was so lucky to be around and they're great mentors for me. You take something from everybody as a coach and as a player. I mean, same thing. Yeah, absolutely. So you take a little bit of something from and you are you. That's what creates you. Well, right now.

One thing people do not know or can't really fathom about the life of an NFL coach. You give us any nuggles of gold there? Yeah, so you're one out of 32 people in the whole world that have a chance to do it. Yeah, and so you take on a certain attitude, I mean, I love coming to work. And even the bad, you know, you're gonna have

good and days and bad days, but the bad days aren't that bad. Yeah. And I think that's part of it. I think the part dealing with the media, people probably don't understand that part of it and how that's got to be worked and work through and the relationships that you develop there. How you handle that? So I'd probably say that. Then they probably don't know the relationships between the player and the coach.

relationships between the player and the coach. And so that's a little unique too. You wish people had that experience. And we take all these different people into a team. And it's a little bit of a microcosm of life where you've got every race, religion, they come together and they don't really care what race, religion they are. Talk about a melting pot. Everybody just plays and joins in and pulls and then the tug of war, they're all pulling the rope

in the same direction. Yeah, I'm doing it with the greatest of efforts. Yeah, I think that's unique. Do you have any advice for someone looking to get into coaching? Yeah. I'm kind of asking the son of say, for now, I was like, I've thought about coaching,

because I love coaches. Yeah, I love the game. I love the X's and O's of it. What is the advice that you would give anybody out there looking to get in the coaching? Yeah so I think one of the things that helped me was start and low. Not that you have to start at San Francisco State where I work for another great guy in Vicarone he He was all the famous, too. But it's Tom Melbourne, baby. Tom Melbourne, that's right. First, evolution of my coaching career. Start with Tom. And then with guys out here, man. Yeah.

You know, you start at a lower level at the pro ranks, or college ranks, and you work your way up. So you get to see the whole picture. Right. And then you appreciate it as you go, and you develop your way up. So you get to see the whole picture. And then you appreciate it as you go and you develop your ability to teach. Because really that's what you do.

As opposed to being put in a real high position right off the bat and expectations go way up and then you have one bad game and in this league that's like dog ears. I mean, you know, it's lose one game and it's like well in the season. So you know, you don't want to be be putting that chair right away. Yeah, you need to be weathered. Yeah, you need to be weathered. The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, You've had so many coaches go on to get head coaching jobs off of the coordinator jobs. I mean your coaching tree has got to be, I'm sure, it's only you and Bill, I think, that are up there with the amount of assistance you've had to go on. Yeah. Is that a part of what you view your job is to develop all these guys and guide them? Yeah, so you know, you're not going to be a good head coach without good players and good coaches. Yeah. And if you have good players and you can teach as a coach, then normally you're going to win games. Yeah.

So I've been lucky to have good, you know, good coaches. Yeah. And a lot of them have been ex-players on it. And it'll give you. That's right. Well, maybe. Maybe that a chance to move on. And I'm their biggest fan unless we're playing them right and then

And then you know, we got a role. Yeah, well, but you're looking for higher. You want good people You want good players that are good people. That's what you want. Yeah, and it's a people business no matter how you look at it The chiefs have been a staple in championship games the last five years. It's a five or six years now staple in championship games the last five years. It's a five or six years now. Six. I don't mean whatever. You have one all of them. Do you cherish the wins more or but more in the losses more? Yeah, so yeah, I think losses, they stick with you longer than the wins. The wins you go. Okay, this is a beautiful thing. Let's move on. We've got to get on to the next one. I think the trick to it is if you can learn from each.

Yeah. And you kind of keep that balance of that. Yeah, or on the losses, you don't get yourself too low. Let's learn from it. May ourselves better. We lost the championship game and I listened. I listened to these guys talk. Yeah.

And all of them said, I could do better. I mean, now you got a chance. Right, coming back that next year, you got a talk. Yeah. And all of them said, I could do better. I mean, now you have a chance. Right. Coming back that next year, you've got a chance. Yeah. If everybody's taken part of it, including the head coach, if you're all taken over the responsibility there, then you have a chance to go.

So those are good lessons to learn when you lose. When you win, you can't get too high because if you're off a tick in the National Football League, you're gonna get your tail kicked. Right. And there's just too much parity. Yeah. To be great player, they're best again, best in the world. Yeah. World's a pretty big place. It has been great. So, you know, you got to you got to stay right right at the top. Yeah know losing definitely It's a little home for me right now, but I like to tell everybody after the game I was I was do you have a hanker. Yeah, I was very happy. I was I was very upset obviously we lost But I was happy for you guys because it's been taking my time all my life coach

Connection you're right though. I think and then all you do is you think about the place that could happen Different the different calls you could have made her if this just happens, if I just do that. I think you're right, I think when, but it has to be focused on yourself. You've got to, what can I have done better? And I think that that's largely where we're at right now. Which jointly it'll happen. You guys have a real good team. So I mean, it's, you've got good leadership, whether it's how we or neck.

I mean, these are times as you drafted. Yeah, well, I appreciate that. I'm very similar until you persevere and then win and then I didn't even remember losing the Super Bowl that we were in. That happened? You don't remember that? No, I just, I block it out. Either that or I just, I choose not to.

Well, you told me something in the offseason that I still tell everybody was, when you lose one, it makes you want to win one that much. No, that's right. And I thought you were full of crap until this past year just happened. And I can honestly understand where you're coming from. I'm out here on fire, baby.

Yeah. Let's get back to your filial area a little bit. You coached in filial from 99 to 2000 in 2014. 12? 14 years. Yeah. Yeah. That was your first head coaching job.

What were your thoughts going into that? Was it was Philly the only option? Were you interviewing with multiple other teams? Yeah. There was a rumor that you had a five inch notebook that was like your keys to running an organization. Yeah. So there were three teams that were interested. Okay. And Philly happened to be the first interview.

All right. And listen, it was probably the one that was, if I honestly said it, it was probably the one that I'd have a chance at more than the other two. Sure. I was the last of the interviews with Philly and four or five guys at interview there beforehand. And they were good coaches. So I was not a coordinator and I'm going, I need every piece of artillery. I can get to go in there and try to get this thing. And I had studied Mike Honggren for all those years, seven years in Green Bay and tried to write notes down, keep it organized. So if something were to happen, I was lucky enough to get an interview, I could go in and

I'd have the answers to the test. Yeah, sure. From a great coach, we should be in the hall. So that's where the binder came from. Yeah. And it was a long interview and it worked out okay. But I knew what I was getting into. It was a tough place. Yeah. You just, but I knew what I was getting into it was tough place Yeah

Talked you just talked about media understand how to control that is that the toughest media market you think in the NFL Yeah, it's one of them I mean I had a chance to talk to Bill Parcells We played the jets yeah my first year and the preseason he goes like you're in the toughest place ever Right he's a new York at the time. I'm going all right. All right. This is the toughest place. So I knew that part wasn't going to be easy, but I was honest with him. And I mean, we always talk about you don't have to say everything, tell the whole story,

but you better, whatever you say comes out, whatever comes out, you better be the truth. Yeah, you better be able to stand out. That's right. And so, you know, that was part of it. We know that the Philly market is tough in terms of the media, but I'll tell you what, man, being a fan of Jason and being a fan of the Eagles, the Eagles organization treating me like family in there, what was your biggest takeaway in Philly culture for the Eagles

out there? Yeah, so, I mean, Jeff Lurium, I'm close with to this day. He treated me great. The people there, you at you gain a badge of honor if you can make it through. They're still standing. So they've been great. There's some tough times. I mean, there are tough times along the way. And whether it's on the field or off the field, and they're right there with me. But they're going to let you know. field, and they're right there with me. But they're gonna let you know.

I mean, they're gonna let you know. One thing I could say about it is, they're gonna let you know, they're like a coach and a player. If you stink, they're gonna tell you you stink, and if you're good, they're gonna tell you you're good. And there's no in between. There's nothing in between. That's right.

So it's a tough place, but it's a good place. Would you have done anything differently in your time in Philly? Ah, no. I'm, you know, no. I mean, there are things you learn along the way. Yes. But I think we were able to go to five championship games and a Super Bowl.

And I think the organization hadn't been doing great. And we were able to kind of get them moved up, the chain there and the NFL and it worked out okay. So I think there was at least a foundation there that everybody could build on and go win the Super Bowl like you guys did. With a former player and coach of yours. Yeah, yeah, I was awesome.

You talked about like the badge of honor. Do you think that that Philadelphia media fan base, I feel like there's a sense of urgency in that city that you gotta come to work every day. You get, have you carried that over? Did you have that in Green Bay, or do you think that affects the organization? Yeah, Green Bay for a different reason

because of the history there. Sure, I mean, you feel that legacy that takes place there. And then, and Philly, you know, they'll give you two strikes. I thought, you know, you're done. And so, you've got to bring, yeah, you do. You bring your A-game every day. I mean, if you're off a tech, you're going to hear about it. So, you make sure that you prepare and you're organized

and all those things that you need to be. Yeah. No, let's move on to some cheese tuck. All right, there we go. I get out of feeling bad. I don't say it. And let's talk some cubies. Yeah. When did you know that I wasn't a cubie? Well, there are a couple different times. If you want to take it back to New York, there was a, oh, there you go. Just listen, if and out, run the ball. There you go. 80 or he wants to, he told you, you know, he has to set the coach and put you told him, which is do not, Travis, do not throw this ball. You're not making a read. It's either there or you're running. He wanted to see if he could beat my pump passing. It was a good throw. It was a dart.

Yeah, it's over with the other. Then we come back, and we've got this play. We call it Black Pearl, and it was a beautiful thing. And so we get Tyreek to toss it to Kels, and Patrick goes in the end zone, and although we almost stepped out of bounds, he should have been deeper. But the one corner plays both of them. And you're probably in the middle of it. And you're probably, I'm not gonna talk to him,

I'm not gonna look at, but your brother choked. Y'all! So he got there and it was, he got there and it was, he got there and it was, he got there and it was, he got there and it was, he got there and it was, he got there. And then hold it, not only that, so this is like in the first, second quarter,

you ruined him the rest of the game. I got anyone want to be there. He want to be there. He's the, you ruined him the rest of the game. I can't even want a beer. There's any shit. I don't want to be there. Everything Tyree had three out of cards. Now this guy's got like the best arm ever. And this was like a five year old, not a five year old. He could have run it in.

It was all bad man. It was all bad. But he came back. Third time to Tyree and Baby. That's right, came back. Third time to Tyree and the playoffs, we need him most. He's so alive and filling.

No, seriously, what did you know that Patrick Mahomes was the real deal? Was it watching him attack or kind of getting him in the building? Yeah. I give credit to Brett Vich on that one. Brett was a scout at the time and from the first time that kid played, Dorsey and I had tapes on our dust. And you've got to watch this guy.

You have to watch him. And for two years or how many years it was, we watched this kid and each guy, this is the best guy I've ever seen. He's just, he's that good and each said the Southwest, or Southeast area and that's the hot bed. And so Doris and I go, yeah, this guy's pretty good now. About two years later.

And then, I think once he stepped into the league, and he did that game at Denver, where we've wrapped up our playoff spot, he got to up in and go in a game. I mean, he did what he did in practice, what he did at Tech, and I go, that's pretty good. And Alex Smith at the time, it was also good. That's best year.

We sit on the show that Matt and Maggie secretly gave Pat the answers to the draft interview. Did you know that he had the answers? And did that interview impress you if you did not? Yes, and listen. Veech. No, no. So Veech and Nagy were teammates. Oh.

They were a good one. They were a good one. They were a good one. Yeah. That dead giveaway. So I had a couple of little curve balls just to throw in there. Just a couple of curve balls. And he handled them. Nice.

I knew. I knew. Am I homesick? I hit the curve ball, baby. That's right. Just a couple of curve balls. That's good stuff. What goes on in evaluating QB from a coach

and the GM perspective? I think you had to get to know the guy and see what he's all about. You go to the combine and the answers are kind of packaged there with answers. I think that's easy. You don't get a ton out of them. But you get a guy, you lock him in a room for eight hours.

And then you go over a whole install, make him spit it back at you and then throw questions at them on how you'd handle this. By the time you get done with that eight hours, you got a pretty good feel on what the guy's about. We did six, I believe it was six of them that year and it was their day in the building here and so at the time they left we kind of, I think we're pretty accurate with it actually, it was we went went through and have looked now with the history part of it. We're pretty accurate on our evaluation. It takes a lot of time now.

Yeah. When you're evaluating, is there anything that you, what makes Pat in the homes in your mind? So much different than every other quarterback out there. Like, what is unique about him? Well, if he's in a bind, he just throws a tent. It's not a bad safety. I tell you, he's just, he's got a good way about him? Well, if he's in a bind, he just throws a tent. It's not a bad safety. I tell you, he's just, he's got a good way about him. He was raised in a locker room, so he's got

that feel. Yeah. His natural leader, but he's humble. Yeah. He's easy to coach. I mean, he's going to listen. You can coach him hard, and then at the same time, he wants everything you can throw at him. Yeah. And, you him. And both you guys are great players. And if there's one thing I've noticed in coaching over the years, is the great players want to give them one more thing so they can even be greater than what they are. So they're always asking, hey, what do you got? What do you got? What do you got?

And I saw that with Brett. I saw it with Reggie White. I saw the different guy sterling Sharer Paul these guys at phenomenal players and Brian Dawkins and Liskos on. Right, but they just want to give me one more thing to make you make me better than what I am. And so it's a great driver for a coach to do. But anyways, that's got that. He wants you to load him up and challenge him and he's going to work. And he's dedicated.

I mean, you know, I mean, during the week, he's not going out. He's going to stand and study and do his thing. And all the time. Yeah. That's how he rolls. Well, he has a bunch of ridiculous records. One of the most ridiculous is, is, come from behind record.

When it's in the heat of the battle and word, kind of in that, you know, that trailing position, what does it feel like when you just, you see my homes out there just take control of the game? Like, what is that feeling for you as a head coach? It was a little bit like in the Super Bowl. I'm not telling you this, not to rub it in or anything, but it's all right. It's going to be all we will be. We'll get you to hang on. I'll ask it to you. I'll lend you my shirt. Everybody in that locker room knew that we have the ability,

if we just straighten a couple things out, to come back. That to me is reassuring as a coach, but you've got to have the players that believe in that. So it's one thing for the coaches to believe in it and say it. It's another thing when you're saying it to guys that truly have that feeling in their heart. So 10 points, we know isn't a big thing and 20 points, 21 points is not a big thing. We've done that. And so that's a good feeling from, you know, when you're sitting in the head coach's seat. Right. Oh, yeah. Well, you were dialing and things up. Coach, all right. Let's, let's keep talking some Super Bowl 57, man. So we just want our second Super Bowl. Second, did the second feel better? How did it compare

to the first one? I think it did feel better actually. And it wasn't because it was the, that's not the reason. It was, the first one was a whirlwind. It just, everything was moving fast. And then the second one was weird because of COVID. And we lost. And then the third one was just,

you were able to step back and take everything in. Yeah. And you still know that there's a challenge ahead of you coming up for the season, but you're able to enjoy it for that moment there. And it was just, I'll remember that part, where the first one was a little bit foggy. Just a little bit of fire, I don't just whack it fire and I'll hear you.

Everyone's pretty excited, huh? Did you feel more pressure the first time or the second time? First, the first winner of the second win, the one you can't see. I'm not, listen, I didn't get caught up in that. Yeah. I'm not, I didn't feel a pressure that way. You feel a pressure to do well, like if that's a pressure.

It's that angst that drives you, you know, that you want your guys to show well they busted their butt to get to this point. And let's just do that. And then let the chips fall where they may. If it's not good enough, then the other team's better. But let's not go on landing. Let's not do that. How is it seeing guys but let's not go on land-egg. Let's not do that.

How is it seeing guys that you drafted and former players that you've coached over the years? How does that feel seeing them across the field? And I've been guessing. Yeah, that was weird. That was different. That was a little different. Right, Graham.

Yeah, you know, you look across and the people, I know people across the field, you field, there was actually one time, I probably shouldn't even say it, but I'm gonna say it, because it's you too, and nobody else is gonna hear it. So, there was one point where I was back talking with Pat, my back was to the field, and I heard the cheer, and I turned around, and your tight- and cut the ball.

Yeah. And for a minute I went, hey, nice, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, I'm not gonna lie, there was after, I think it was the first or second touchdown they scored, and that dang on Fly Eagles, Fly is coming on. I got caught going like this, just a little bit to the Fly Eagles, fire my nose, snap out of it, snap out of it. Yeah, no, it was back, it was like dueling mangy, it was back in force.

All game, great game. They got deemed the Kelsey bowl. Yeah, it should have been, in our mind. It should have been the Andy Reed bowl. Did you had your favorite over both organizations in such a way? I don't know. I just think it's, has that ever happened in the NFL where head coach has played his former team that he was with for over a decade. Players that he drafted, coaches that he coached with, yeah, the front office. I don't know. Yeah, that was weird. I don't know if it has. It was a great experience. Yeah. I thought it was unique. But when I saw your mom

shoes, I go, this is the Mrs. Kelsey. She was a rock. Those are Hall of Fame shoes right there. That's right. That's right. Those are Hall of Fame shoes. They just That's right, that's right. Those are Hall of Fame shoes. They just threw those things up and canned, baby. I know, I saw it. I like it. It's not off the mom of kills. Coming into the league, the offense has changed so frickin' much. I mean, traditionally, I'm the U-Tight End,

but Fassana was the Y-Tight End. It was a very power, run-oriented offense, with especially with Jamal and Charles. And I just feel like this Tight End position has kind of changed throughout it all. I just wanted to kind of see it from your point of view. Have you just created an offense with four wide receivers, or is the tight end position still available in this offense?

Ha-ha-ha! Yeah, so we call it a tight end. Yeah, it still has to why in the playbook. That's right. It's unique because of how you put your flair on it and your ability to work in space and do all of that. So it's changed, it has. It's changed the game.

It's given a lot of tight ends that maybe aren't that inline crusher and opportunity. And then with the rules that the league has put in for offenses to flourish, it's given the tight ends that opportunity to flourish. And a lot different. Yeah, I guess how's the league changing? I gotta ask this now, I mean, you've been coaching for a long time.

How has the league changed? Yeah, so I give you an example. When I was in Philly, Green Bay, went to what three Super Bulls, right, two in Green Bay, one in Philly, and there wasn't a snap that any of the quarterbacks on the team that I was at an opportunity of coach, that was in the shotgun. Holy cow. And today, very few times as a...

Are you under center? Yeah, it was probably less than 50% or yeah. Short, hard-edged ghoul lines, yeah. Yeah. So I'm gonna evolve that way. Technology has evolved the game, the media and that parody that you get by the league rules,

but also by players knowing each other and what everybody's doing on every team. Because of the iPhones, that stuff, community. You can change copies and everybody's miced up at all times. That's right. Players go from one organization. I mean, we can tell you how many times your heart needs in a practice. I mean, that wasn't the case back then. Who wins a team from today's NFL or a team from one of those green Bay teams?

I still think they would compete for sure. Yeah, in the talent and the size, and that are similar. San Francisco is doing it. They're a little bit tighter, a little bit more under center. Yeah. There are a few other teams that are doing that type of thing. She's getting offence. Yeah.

So I think it would work. I would think, though, that you'd have to bounce back when we lost the Super Bowl to the Patriots in Philly. We had to get into the gun after that, with all the double-A stuff that was going on. Is that what they did? Yeah. So, yeah. So, next year, we started popping back into the gun.

Yeah. And you'd have to incorporate that in there. But other than that, I think the talent is very similar. We did a lot of two back stuff back then. You know, there's not a lot of that in the league. San Francisco would be one of the teams. You know, the fullback has kind of been eased out of the game a little bit. Now the team's trying to do some of the full back stuff with the second tight edge.

I should be off position. You can kind of get to some of those runs, but it's not the same. Yeah, it's a little bit different. Not rush more, a fast food burger. What do you got? Some of my grandson's been hammering me on this. Every little league game we go out for cheeseburger.

So I go town topic, which is right down the road. I go five guys and I'm the water burger to support Pat. I mean, we gotta do that. I still gotta go. It takes us one. Doesn't make enough money, you know, right? Yeah. So I'm sure I'm missing one, but those are the ones that we hit.

And you need to stop hitting them. They're starting to hit back, right? Town topic is good at any time of the day too. It's a late night diner. The diners are Jason's gig too, so we went out to stuff out here. Oh no, that's a bad year. Six seats.

All right now. What's your favorite play call of all time? Well, it was snow globe, yeah, I like that one. Yeah, it's amazing. But it's more of a read around the Rosey. How'd you get to the world? It's a real global. I mean, it was Christmas.

It was in Christmas of the season. Yeah, right there. It was in the season, you know, Rudolph first. Yeah, Rudolph. So that it was a season. Yeah, right there. It was a brutal person. I would always be. So, that was kind of fun. Yeah. What's the narrative about Andy Reed that you feel is unfair or maybe not correct?

I'm really a skinny guy. It's just a camera's put a lot of weight on me. I'm too. No, listen, I don't know. I probably that I don't have a sense of humor. Well, we're clearly distal now. Okay. Who was funnier?

You and the State Farm commercial were Travis and SNL? Yeah, I'm gonna tell you what, man. He's a rock star. That's really good. I don't even know about the people. I'm gonna give one of these real-world-bill coaches, man. It's gonna be, you know, like they do in college football. I'm a yellow-hound. He's gonna be, it's gonna be, you know, like they do in college football,

I'm a yellow, I'm, he's gonna leave. He's gonna go be gonna let me start. I just gonna give you that, but I gotta say, you know what I'm gonna do, bro. Yeah, when he gets, when he gets you that brow, baby. Yeah, yeah, you're done messing around. How tired are you of seeing that pun-passing kick, competition video coming from the screen every year.

Yeah, very tired. You gotta let them know right here though. It was an age range. Oh yeah, so the kid next to you wasn't the eight year old. I was 13. There was a line, two lines. So it went eight, you know, 19, 19, 13, and then you rotate, right?

So that kid was not the same age. Yeah, let's see if that's right. And you didn then you rotate, right? So that kid was not the same age. Yeah, that's straight. And you didn't win it, right? I didn't win that one. What? I won the one before it. Fourth and goal, ball on the one. What you call game on the line.

This is how it is. He's, you'll never know until it happens. Coach I can't thank you for coming on the show with us enough. It's been an honor having the man that drafted both my brother and I on here. It was at such an important role in both of our careers and impact uh... thank you so much for coming out i was just getting you that's right always got to be sure that the best leader the best teacher

and dog on the best play call that i've ever freaking been around and the best guy who are why sure that you come on now those of you that think he's just the best offensive mind at best head coach he's got the only only tight end coach in the entire history of the league to have two all pro tight ends in one season. He's the best tight end coach ever ever to play the game too, baby. I appreciate that. All righty, that wraps up this episode of New Heights. Thank you so

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