New Heights with Jason and Travis Kelce - Body Slams, Blown Leads and Days Off | New Heights with Jason and Travis Kelce | EP 3

Episode Date: September 21, 2022

On episode three of ‘New Heights’, Travis talks about the Chiefs win over the Chargers (07:00), being body slammed by Derwin James and how it compares to the time he shattered a hardwood floor (07:38), and why players should care about their PFF rankings (23:19). Jason breaks down the Eagles dominant win over the Vikings (28:07), Jalen Hurts emergence as QB1 (29:40), and why the Eagles/Vikings rivalry might just be for the fans (40:25). The guys also debate the best goal line play (57:35 ) and whether or not Tom Brady deserves a rest day (01:02:25). We wrap up with Travis talking about avoiding trap games (01:12:30) and Jason shares memories of playing with Carson Wentz before their reunion in Washington (01:14:33). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ladies and gentlemen boys and girls welcome back to new heights. A juke's original show presented by Wave sports entertainment. We are your host. I am Travis Kelsey. This is my big brother Jason Kelsey on new heights. We speak things into existence like getting body slammed by Durwin James on Thursday night football. New heights has a new show for you every Wednesday.

Don't forget to watch and subscribe on YouTube, listen and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. And of course, click that follow button on all social media channels. Jason talked to us about what we got coming up. We got behind the scenes look at our games from week two, plus interesting news and different related things across the NFL.

But first, huge news for the new Heights podcast. We're going viral baby. Huge week for new heights last week. The podcast did amazingly well. Huge week. But perhaps even better we got to actually see each other. Oh, yeah. came into Philadelphia for a little bit. I was a brotherly love baby. Yeah, how was it? I Philadelphia for a little bit. I was a... This city of brotherly love, baby. Yeah, how was it? I barely get to see you because I was getting ready for a game, but we had to see mom and dad and all the mom's friends. It was celebrating my mom's birthday, which isn't for another couple of weeks, but this

was the date that worked out the best. You know, I don't really mind not seeing you. I'm really not there to see you. I'm there to see those beautiful girls of yours. Elliott and Wyatt had a blast with the fam though. It's always, it's always good to get everybody under one roof. Man, we kind of talked about this on a previous episode. There's nothing like good old family time and then on top of that, you know, seeing you get a win on a, on a Monday night game, big time

game. The atmosphere was electric in Philadelphia. Everybody showed out for the first home game. And yeah, it was a blast, man. Yeah, what'd you think of the link? I know you've been in it before, but how was it on Monday? I mean, I'm, I'm getting green when I'm in that thing now. You know what I mean? Like I'm one with the people.

I don't, I don't, I don't sit around in a suite or go up there, you know, all secluded from everybody, man, I'm in that thing screaming, e-o-g-o-e-s-e-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o- I appreciate you coming out. It was awesome to see you. Let's get going with the podcast. Let's get a good brother. We did pretty good last week. I'm not gonna lie. Better than I thought we were gonna do. We cracked the top three in sports podcasts in the country,

which I think is just the country. I guess I don't know how that chart works, but we'll just go on top here in the world, just to make a server. In the world. In the world. Which was, did not expect to hit that as quick as we did. So I'll take it. And I think thank you to listeners. Thank you. I think we owe a little bit of thank you to for sure Sports Center for putting us up and really

then elevating our platform there. I'd also like to thank Malcolm Rodriguez and Durwin James Thank you guys for embarrassing us a national team. Let's go viral Yeah, I mean listen, I maybe we need we need to keep going viral. We need to keep getting our Ask is this apparently podcast really what? Outside of that we've also been getting some feedback from some fans I'm gonna read some of our favorite comments so far that we've gotten on the podcast. Let's talk about it. All right At NY2Kc32 this might be a bot. I don't know. That seems like a bodish name All right

My only bad thing I have to say about this podcast is why did it you guys think of this sooner? It's a great question and why two kc32 Honestly, we were we've been thinking about it for years And I we kind of touched on this on a previous episode as well as you know just waiting for the right time and waiting for the right time right opportunity and Sure enough, I think we're we're very comfortable where we're at teaming up with Jouks and Wave from that point on. It's just been getting on here, finding the time for each other to the leisure to be able to come on here

with confidence and know that nobody's second guessing are modus, man, knowing that we're a football players first. Absolutely, yeah, right time, right place. Met the right people to make it all happen. And I think also seeing how other athletes have done it had success. And it's clearly not been traction. I think all of those reasons are why we were kind of hesitant

maybe a couple of years ago, but this year it really became something that we were both looking forward to doing. Next comment. Jason Kelsey yelling, go! I think it was more like, go! It's going to be my new alarm clock sound. You pause it there. You're like, you!

Which it was a solid go. I could use that as an alarm as well. I always hit that snooze. The first one's always snooze, man. Every time. I don't even know why I set the first one's always snooze, man. Every time. I don't even know why I set the first one. And then the third comment we got here, there's absolutely no way I just found out that Travis Kelsey and Jason Kelsey are brothers through their podcast. Why does nobody

think that we're brothers? I haven't seen it outside of me and you or the family. Yeah, it's not a common name. No, it's not like Williams or Johnson. This is a Jones Smith shorts. Yeah, no, these are this is not a common name at all I don't get why nobody has thanks for brothers. I think it's because you're skinny and I'm fat That's the only thing that I can really think of little did they know when we were little You were skinny and I was yeah you were a little chubby kid you need to hit that grocery that's I'm still a growing boy you know each your each your weighty kids or your Kelsey crunch if you're in Kansas City all right here we go where there were

there any other teammates friends that had any comments? No, everybody just just enjoys hearing you talk football, man. Obviously, they hear me talk about it all the time in the facility. So they're just seeing seeing it from a different perspective is always fun, man. And you, you're telling the stories, golden right now. Your narration is pretty on point. Good. I'm glad people were enjoying it. All right. You take it off. You want to take off with a... Yeah.

...gotten store? Let's get it on! As celebrity deathmatch would say, let's tee up these 12 bold topics. I'm going to ask Jason a few questions about his game Monday night. And he's going to ask me a few about my Thursday night game. Jason, why don't you startton started off baby. Sure yeah chiefs 2724 over the chargers on Thursday night. We got to start with really what gave us some sports center love in the first place. How did it feel when Durwin James absolutely, I mean, power bomb, the fuck out of you on national television?

Well, it's not my first time getting power bombed. So, um, I used to power bomb you all the time growing up. You actually put me through the wooden floor in our living room. I forgot about that. No, I remember it. Um, the feeling of knowing that that and mom are going to come home to a hole in the floor was not the best feeling in the world. But I think that hole was still in there when we saw that house.

Never, never filled it. We just put the couch over it. We just moved the couch over it. Took them, took them, I think it took them like a week or two weeks to clean the house. To finally see that there was a hole under the Under the couch. That's funny man. Woo! But yeah, no, not my first time getting power bombed and obviously we were talking about it last week, Durwin is a OG in the game. He is one of the best safety, I think he's the best safety all around.

And then on top of that, you know, long drive, tired, started, started that. I think that was like play eight or nine, maybe even more. I'm starting on the left side, outside the numbers, run around, pets doing his thing in the pocket, gets out of the pocket, rolls right. I catch the ball thinking that he threw me short when reality is I could have just turned up and ran to the pylon and got in the end zone. It's the worst thing. When you watch it on film and you're just kicking yourself in the head, I kind of deserve to get my as power bomb in that situation for not getting it in the in the end zone and shout out to everybody that grabbed me in fantasy. It was kind of like

Derwin James power bombed your entire fantasy team right there. We're not getting in the end zone. But yeah, no, I turned I made a cut back and then all of a sudden he is on me like lightning. I mean he he surprised the shit out of me. Lower man always wins in football when I felt him rap my rap his arms around my legs. And that moment, yeah, I'm just a moment. I'm chuckling in my mind. I'm like this is not about to end well for me right now. Yep. I'm going up. What goes up must come down And he said I mean the body slam was was funny, but was even more comical is the fact that he asked me after the player after that drive is I broke you good? What a great guy man. Yeah, that was there's

that moment in a power bomb where your feet are off the floor and you're in the air. What was going through your head at that exact moment? What is anything? First of all is anything going on your head. First thing is hold onto that ball. Exactly. Hold onto that ball. Which almost didn't. That ball, the ground, you bounce so hard. Like, I don't know if you know this,

but I'm not supposed to bounce on grass. You bounced. And the ball flew. So good job, holding on to it. And honestly, I was talking about how tired I was, just from not only that play that drive, but after that, the ball hits the ground automatically, you know, as a offense, especially as a coach, you're thinking, oh man, that was a close call.

We don't know if it's a fumble or not, attack, attack, attack, get to the line of scrimmage, snap the ball before they can throw the red flag. And it's like, I'm looking over at the side, like, no, we're good. We're good. We don't need to. We don't need to. We're good. I got us. I got us.

I got to head on to it. Just to the yeah, actually, can I get some water? You know, some one play, can I get one play? We got a fresh set of downs here. Can I get off the fucking field? I just, but then like you were saying in mid-air, I'm like, just hold on to the ball. I'm also like I said, a kind of chuckling like, man, I look like a WWE dummy right now. I'm still kicking myself, we're not finding a way to get in the end zone.

On that play and then two plays later, I got a little shovel pass that I couldn't get in the end zone. I just felt like a, felt like a jabrony, man. Just a, just the unaccountable jabroni for not getting any end zone. We ended up settling for three, shout out to the chargers for the stand, but it's just, you got to find a way to get the ball in the end zone, man. That's the bottom line. Yeah, I mean, well, there was a crucial play in that drive

and up until that point, and I mean, you guys had kind of been hot and cold on offense. So why don't you talk us through, because it seemed like the first half, it took you guys a little bit to get going there. They had a couple, I think on your touchdown drive in the first half, there was a, they almost had an interception to stall that drive out. What did it feel like on Thursday night, up against the charges, just as a team? Yeah, I mean, it was the first time I think personally that we played a team where we had a

handle of adversity. And you know, that's a huge stepping stone, especially when you have new faces, new team. You have to be able to come together. And the biggest thing for me in those types of situations is just get back to fundamentals, man. The feeling of wanting to get everybody rallied and get them going and getting going in the right direction. You know, that's a, you see that? Like an injured man.

Did you get it? I fly on my head. No, I missed it. You get it? Unfortunately, that's it. It's alright. Just a lie. Just tell me you got it.

Being down 10 grip, that's never fun. Not coming out hot, not starting fast. You know, we preach that all week to be able to come out come out fast and then put up points quick for our defense. That is our offense that you do not want to get behind, you know, like down in the game against because because they got a lot of playmakers. They run the ball very well. They got a good ol' line. So it's keen analysis out luckily, but they still I mean shout out to Kenan Allen. How good dog boy, I mean, but it also showcased just how good the Chargers team is because even with Kenan out, I mean, they

still have playmakers across the board. Yeah, you can't say about Mike Williams. Yeah, Mike Williams that you do the freaking was Echler. You can't say no. I mean, they're they're a very loaded team. Yeah. So and I didn't know this. You guys is this true? The last three times you guys have played all three of those games have gone over time. That's a great question I don't even know I know they always it's tight. It's always a tough game I know we lost to him at home. I think the past two years So that was a big one for us to get that win in the in the crib for the Kingdom man

Yeah, I think the biggest thing was like getting back to those fundamentals, thinking that you have to do too much in times of trying to persevere, that gets uncharacteristic. And you have to be able to just calm down and just play your game. And then the offense, whether you're on offense or the, the, where, whether you're on offense or defense, the playmakers, the one, the, when the balls in the air, you got to make a play on it. And that, and for, for me, I don't think I, I did my job in that in terms of that. I got to be a lot better for, for the squad and, and definitely, you know, the second half of the plays.

Find and work downfield for my guys to spring them loose and things like that just showing more effort Because effort rules in this game, man If you're if you're flying around with high energy man good things are gonna happen So we just got to find that energy and and and get through the the tough part of the game like we did Well, you guys found the energy in the second half and it was the second half of the Watson's Yeah, Justin Watson with the long touchdown and then Jlen Watson with that pick six late in the game that really Ultimately ended up being the deciding factor What is first of all who is Justin Watson?

Jay what baby Pengrave Yo, Ivy League. Is there anything better than a guy coming in? with a opportunity randomly just popping up and making a huge play? That is like time juice all time juice at fires everybody up. Yeah, absolutely everybody and I mean it happened twice in the in the second half like you said Defense was stepping up though. It gave us a lot of momentum With a few sacks and a few big time stops. And kind of got us to be able to regroup as an offense.

But yeah, you can't, you couldn't say that any better, man, so happy for Justin. And I've been telling everybody about it. Anybody asking me who they should draft in fantasy as a sleeper, I'm like, listen, that guy Jay Wat is gonna be flying down the field. And sure enough, they went man double against me Kind of left the the middle or everything deep and everything on the outsides of singled up almost like a cover zero look and

Yeah, Pat pat saw it was actually a pretty crazy throw because he saw Justin out of like the corner of his eye and within like a millisecond that ball was out. Right. And right on the frickin' money. But yeah, plays like that, guys stepping up to the plate that, you know, haven't had that chance yet or haven't had that opportunity yet. All time juice moments, man. And you're definitely sets the team up, get some fired up. And you just touched on this, which is something else I want to talk to you.

What is, have you noticed a difference in the way teams are defending you guys now that you don't have Tyreeke and some of the firepower that you've had in the past. You just talked about. Yeah. I noticed, I noticed some blitz zero in the first half. I noticed, like you just said, they're doubling you. They're trying to take away you as a primary target, which they've done before but i think i don't know it seems like teams are playing you guys a lot more aggressive than what you've had uh... past few years well i'm here to say or now Arizona came out and just blitzed the shit out of us

i think you there was a stat about pat getting blitzed certain amount of times in the game and it was the most that he's had his career yet obviously you know trying to slow the offense down with pressure, knowing that they got good DBs in Los Angeles. I think that defensive coordinators are sticking true to their regime more now that Tyreeke's gone. Whereas when Tyreeke was there, you had to play some type of shell cover against them.

You know, he's that guy. And I think right now we have the speed to go up top, but until we keep hitting those big time home runs like we did with Justin Watson, I just think, yeah, it's a they're going to keep just playing their style of defense. And sure, yeah, we'll see. I mean, you'll still, I'll still get the man double. Like I kind of mentioned early on on big third downs. Right. Yeah. And then, you know, that kind of doesn't, doesn't change. But at the same time, it were, we're pretty consistent with seeing what we're, what we're getting on film now. So I know, uh, big red, although stoic on the sidelines and impress conferences, uh, when juice needs to be made or something needs to be said to get guys going, he has a way of just like,

either a look or like a very simple like, you know, hey, we gotta get going now, something like that. But it really gives the whole team energy. Cause you know, when he actually says something, it's like, okay, we better get it together and spread it on the side. We better say you're that, yeah, 100%. What did what did Andy say at half time of the game? It wasn't as much as necessarily wake up,

you know, but it was it was like, Hey, the defense is playing their tail off. Let's go ahead and match that energy. Let's go ahead and match that success and put this entire game together here. And that's that's where he's the best man. That's where he's the absolute best. Everybody respects the hell out of him because of just the guy he is, the leader he is, how he's not smoking mirrors.

What you get is coach read every single day and you can respect that. And in moments like that, we can rally behind that guy. And that's something that, you know, I've been so fortunate to have out here in Kansas City as the ultimate leader at the top to be able to get the guys going and get everybody refocused. When he gives that look, you better tie them laces up a little tighter, buckle that chin strap up a little bit more because we got to get this shit going. Yeah, that's one of the things that I always loved about Andy was,

there's something about like stoicism and about a coach or a man being unwavering in his like, like where he's at, you know what I mean? Like at no time is he giving you some, you know, yeah, like some falsehood, right? Or he's not trying to say something just because something needs to be said. You know, I mean, if he's saying something is for a reason and it has a purpose and he's, when he gives you that look,

he's looking at you for a specific reason. So it hits that much harder. It's not, you know, it's not like some like TV movie from a member of the Titans where you're like trying to make like a moment. You get that dramatic speech. Yeah, no, it's it's a hundred percent off. Sunday Al Pacito or wherever the Al Pacino is that that's his name, right? Well, yeah, not remember the time. Yeah, any given Sunday. Yeah, you got it.

Nice. Right on. But um, yeah, let me ask you this. The seriani got that. Does he have that kind of demeanor? It's different. Everybody leads in their own way, you know Chip Kelly was different done Peterson was different and Nick Syrion is different I do think that Nick is very authentic and who he is and I think that Player see through bullshit, you know, I mean one hundred percent Whether it's from coaches whether it's from players leaders on the team. Yeah, I mean you can tell whether somebody's from coaches, whether it's from players, leaders, or team. Yeah. I mean, you can tell whether somebody's being real

with you or not, usually. And I think Nick has a, he is authentically himself. And that's all you want. And he's, he keeps you accountable. He keeps the team focused on the right things and constantly trying to work to get better and he embraces who he is. Sounds like they're all family leader. Yeah, that's what you want.

100%. So let me ask you this then. Do you think that a coach that just has that demeanor, that fuck you demeanor? Like I think a guy like Dan Campbell has that I will fight you right now. I think Dan Campbell and everything I see on hard knocks and what appears to be Is that he is an unbelievable motivator and that he's great at getting guys going and great at getting guys juiced up And that is an important part about being a head coach That is not obviously the only thing about being so I'm, I'm saying more so does the toughness kind of reflect and make a team tougher if that if the coach has that

aspect and instead of like maybe a guy a small guy that doesn't have, you know, the football background or you know what I mean, I mean, I think it certainly can, but I've also seen fake tough across. I mean, there's it certainly can, but I've also seen fake tough across, I mean, there's words are only go so far, right? And that's why like, you know, Andy, I wouldn't classify him as this like conventionally, like tough talking individual as a good coach, right?

But he's very mentally tough. He's very dialed in and focused and methodical in his thinking. That's a toughness that I think is more important in football. Now, I'm not discrediting. I love Andy. Andy doesn't say he'll kick your ass,

but he's got that look on his face like you can fuck around and find out. Exactly. You know what I mean? I don't know Dan Campbell enough. I love the way he talks to his team. I love all of his interviews, but I can't speak on the other part.

I wasn't talking to the team. I know his team is tough. Yeah, and I played the Lions, and they for sure played tough. They ran around, played hard, played physical, so they're certainly matching that intensity. But, you know, I think, again, it has to come off genuine. When I watch Dan Campbell, it seems like it comes off genuine.

Andy Reed, it comes off genuine. If you're with a coach or it's not coming off genuine, it's gonna, then the players are gonna bullshit and then it's not gonna be real. So that's really what it comes down to. In the post game, real quick. Okay. My homes in the post game talked about

His pff ranking, but I don't know what it is is that something you guys talk about often in Kansas City No, do you think pff gets it right? Ah, I don't know. I Who's the yeah, I everybody, the thing is that these PFF graders are they're grading off of what they think the play should be, right? Whereas, you know, we might have a specific fundamental or we might have a specific call that, you know, takes us into something else and the play doesn't work. If I'm making it make sense,

what you see, you know what I mean? The graders don't necessarily know the objective of the player, the fundamentals that we're being taught. They're kind of just looking at it as a general play. And that's where I think it's not really of actual graded performance like you would get in the facility because they just don't know what we're scheming. And that's where I think it's kind of smoking mirrors. But other

than that, a guy has a great game. I mean, obviously he's going to have a higher grade. And that's, you know, I think that's always going to stand true. But I also think that there's agents out here paying guys to get higher grades than the others. I do. I do. I have wondered that for years. I try to believe. It's like, yeah, it's no doubt about that. That's a fact. No doubt my mind. Yes. No doubt my mind. I don't think so. I choose to believe that PFF is more credible than that, but I'm more credible. Yeah, I think I think that if that was true, that would completely ruin their website. So I don't think that happens.

You don't think there's agents out here paying these scouts to give higher grades. So their players can make more money when they when it comes down to the bargaining. You don't think there's that there's agents out here trying to slither the way into a few extra. I don't think so. No, I don't. I think that there's agents trying. I think PFF. It's happening, Jason. I just think he'll be so well, either way. This is what I this is what I do think. I think I think PFF does a good job with the information they have, right? Which is just the film. Okay.

They can only grade on production that they see on the film. They don't know nuances of coaching or what guys are being taught. They don't know the nuances of all the individual rules or what was called on the field. But I think they do a decent job at judging wins and losses and things that are pretty transparent on the field.

So I think what ends up happening, because they don't have all of the information, I think where PFF usually gets it right, the most is on the extremes. I think it's easy to tell whether you know what's called or not if a guy's kicking ass or getting his ass kicked. I think that that's a pretty fair way to say it. There's a lot of in between where it's a little bit ambiguous

is that a loss is what was being called. I think there's some, I think in the middle ground, I don't know that the PFF grades mean as much, but I do think they do a pretty decent job telling who's getting their job done the best or who isn't getting their job done. That's fair enough. And the other thing I think with PFF is the one thing that I always put a caveat with their grading system is I don't know that it and it might Truthfully, I don't know a lot about how pff grades things So I'll just say that to all the listeners. I'm not an expert in how pff does things, but I

think that When you're just grading on production and you're not factoring in either the difficulty of the job or The fun who you're not factoring in either the difficulty of the job or who you're playing against, right? So like, you know, if one tackle goes out and he shuts down, you know, a defensive end that, you know, isn't really doing much, right? He might get, you know, he has zero pressures, but all of a sudden, you know, Lane Johnson's playing Chalio Mack and he gives up one pressure. To me, like, I think Lane Johnson played better because you played a harder guy. I'm giving love to my guy Lane Johnson right now. But these are things that I think, you know, and, you know, I think certain offenses,

guys just have harder jobs. There's dropback offenses where you're, you're pass blocking and you're asked to do things. They're in a lot harder, you know, play you know play action naked things like that where it's nowhere near the difficulty level of what like a traditional dropback offense is for an offensive line all in all I think pff is a is a pretty good job on the extremes I think it's it's probably yeah I don't want to say it's it's a good way for fans to gauge Without any knowledge of how players are doing, but it's not Infallible and I think that that's where players in that's where I think that's where players kind of struggle with the grading system

ABL ABLE can I get the origin? Anyways, I think that's where players see the problems with it is they know when PFF it doesn't get it right because they're in the meetings and they're like, okay, well, that guy actually had a really good game. I don't see where they were getting that from. But anyways, all in all, I think it's a good website and they rate me really high so I think it's really good. Right now.

Let's get to the Eagles versus Vikings. You guys take them down 24-7, which was an action pack first half. You guys came out strong in the first quarter. Jalen obviously got in the end zone quick off to his best start, man. I don't know the last time the Eagles were two and Oman, but it's got to be a good feeling. Yeah, I wish I could remember any of the starts of our seasons really. Well, I mean, Jalen went 26 for 31, 3, 33, a touchdown. And then obviously two rushed to touchdowns.

So first quarterback in NFL history to go for 333 over 80% completions and rush for multiple touchdowns. To second game in a row of being dominant, pretty much mistake free. Nah, really awesome. He had the one interception on the screen that was a fluke went off of the

running backs hands. Yeah. But I think man, he has been so down in these first two games. He saved us against the Troy this last game against Minnesota. I felt like we were all clicking offensively. It felt like especially in the

first half. You just talked about how Andy talks about getting out to a good fast start. Especially when you lose the coin toss and you receive to start the game, it's really important to start off good because you know you're going to get one less possession in that second half. So it's really important to get off to a fast start in those types of situations. Right from the get go, I I thought the coaches had a great game plan. Started out with some no huddle on the ball. Empty sets, spread them out.

That got them tired right away. Got us tired. But I love when the D-line's tired. I would rather have me and the D-line tired than me and the D-line fresh. Because when we're both tired, it just turns into a lean match, brother. Let's just say, oh, let's just lean on each other.

Right? Nobody going to make any plays. It's going to be good. We're going to let these skill guys ride this one out. I'm being in on you, uh, latent drives now. See, see the difference. See the difference of the demeanor. Well, that, that sub that comes in, those starters go out right around the 40 yard line, come back in on the 20. Like, no, I'm lucky. I have to deal with

that as much. A little bit of nickel, a little bit of nickel, you'll get a fresh DB to come out there. But for the most part, they're out there more than I am. I'll get, I'll get a playoff before a DB will get a playoff. But I feel you, do you get those past rushes, those that the fresh D line, that's, and that's where teams are really get those past rushers, those that the fresh D line, that's, and that's where teams are really great. You know, you got the depth of D line and O line. The battle's always one up front, but to talk more about Jalen, man, he came out quick and are fast as we, as we were mentioning, I appreciated his confidence in the pocket.

I appreciated his decision making. He looked like he was, he was just out there balling. He would, he he's I think when he I don't want to say struggles but when it when it's not going as smooth as it wants to he gets a little too calculated and that might be you know what's what the defense is showing and things like that but anytime you tie a quarterbacks feed up or you make him a seconder take late on his throws that's what you're trying to do is a defense right is play with that rhythm. But, um,

Jaylin was he was smooth through the entire game and he was making great decisions with the ball. Um, and, uh, obviously he's special with his feet. Do you think there's any, uh, real comparison to, uh, to a Mike Vick? I think, uh, I think personally that, uh, Mike Vick kind of transcended this style of quarterback. And that's really the only comparison. I think Jaylin is, uh a is a different player in terms of how he actually plays the game though. Yeah, I mean there's been running quarterbacks before. I you know I long so short know I don't think Jaylen hurts his Michael Vic. I think Michael Vic was an unbelievably rare talent.

Had a cannon for an arm. Cannon. But they But just because they're both running quarterbacks that can also throw the ball, doesn't mean they're the same player. I think that they both are unique in their own ways. You just talked about Jalen feeling more confident in the pocket. This is the first time he's had a whole off season, second off season with the same offense

from the year before. That's crazy. I can only only imagine I've had the same offense for 10 years. Obviously it's grown, but I can only imagine having to jump into a new one every single year. Yeah. And we have new plays in this year, just like every year you're putting in new plays. But this has been a year where he's really been able to continue to learn, continue to iron all these things out. And as you know, being confident, really a big part of being confident is being prepared. All right. Nerves, nervousness, or anxiousness, a lot of times comes from not fully understanding what's about to happen. Right. You've wrapped things over and over again. When you know the progressions in and out, what coverage is you're looking for, how you're looking to attack them.

When you've constantly rep that over and over again, it is a lot easier to go out there and be confident, deliver the ball. And we're seeing that within the first two weeks. We saw it all off season as well. So I, yeah, I could not be more proud of how Jalen's played these first two weeks and looking forward to watching this all season. You can't, you can't dismiss all of that. How Jail and play these first two weeks and looking forward to watching this all season. You can't dismiss all of that and then you put on top of that, you guys have some ballers

out on the football field to help them. Your offense is just clicking. Everybody is on the same page. It took a few quarters or a few drives for AJ to get his first reception, but obviously once he gets going, man, what a stud, man, I got to see him in the family room afterwards. I'm like, dude, you just look good and gain green, brother. You just, I'm not going to lie, man, you just, it fits you, man, the swagger, the, the, the build, the offense, I think is more suitable to your, you know,

your skill set, they move, they move them around, you guys move them around more. I think them, what he was doing in Tennessee and then on top of that man He's just got more around him in terms of Supporting cast, you know Devon Tays out there you guys got Dallas making huge plays for you guys In between the hashes and it's just you know, it's a it's cool to see everything clicking And then obviously the Philadelphia everything clicking and then obviously the Philadelphia crowd just going nuts all game not very many booze the only booze that I heard were at the ref this game and that's always a good thing we had some unfortunate penalties especially in

that second half that's sold out some drives and you know Philly fans are never shy to let you know what they think of you so notorious I don't feel bad at all for the refs getting booed. Been there before and it's part of being in the link, baby. During the Monday night broadcast, they brought up that Jalen Squad had 600 pounds in college. Do I mean, these are workout warrior? You're doing anything like that. You're a fucking workout warrior, man.

You're getting after it in the weight room. Have you ever been, I feel like you were a 600 pound squad and guy, at least when I saw you, when I saw you in college, used to get under the rack. First of all, you would bang your chest against the barbell like a maniac just to get you in the right mindset. You would get under that thing and then you would do this like, yeah, can I get hit right?

Get the hips right, get the core activated. You would lift it up And then for whatever reason you would hold your breath for like two minutes straight That's a good stretch you did not breathe No, there were a few times that after you got done racking it That you almost you almost flexed out you almost flexed out. You almost flexed out. Never happened. I've seen those videos. I've seen those videos. It's never happened to me. That's a false statement. Everybody Travis is lying. I've never seen it at least twice. I did almost do it. Vision gone. Vision gone at least. You might not have just

went full body limp, but vision was definitely gone. I did almost do it on a front squat, but that's because the bar was pressing on the carotid. I've never done it from just a pure holding of my breath. The vault, it's called. It's never put on the rack. First of all, that maneuver of holding your breath is actually called Valsalva maneuver. It creates more core tension. So you take your breath in and you clinch the core.

It's a, you know, provide. Shock doctor. Shock doctor taught you that. I remember that lesson. The old mouth. Shots. The mouthpiece. The, there was that one mouthpiece, dude, you came home. You were wearing that thing every single time you lifted weights. Yeah, actually Paul Longo taught me that our strength, coaching college.

But you know, who else taught me? Legend Paul Longo legend. When I was a, uh, me, Lee's and Barry's, when I was a strength coaching college, but you know who else taught me that was? Legend. Paul Longgo legend. When I was a... Meat Leaves and Berry. When I was a rookie in the league, you know, it was the lockout year after I got drafted, I was working out at Cincinnati. And because there was a lockout year, all of the bangles were working out at Cincinnati. And I was fortunate enough to meet Andrew Whitworth when I was at Cincinnati.

Big win. And one of the first things, Whit said, how to stop a bull rush. He said, all right, push me. And he just let me push him. And then he went like, all right, now push me. And he's like, I tried to push that dude. He was like a fucking wall. Couldn't move him.

He's like, that's how you stop a bull rush. And I was like, yeah, maybe. I swear to God, I don't know where you're at. double bull ranch and I was like, yeah, maybe. I'm sure that you can think of is the balance bands. The balance bands. I don't even know where you're at, but all I thought was, I said, when Whit was six nine, I don't know, three, 43, I mean, he's huge, monstrous of even being, and I was like, listen, Whit, I didn't say this at all, but in my head,

I'm like, Whit, you're six nine. Maybe holding your breath works, stopping the boorish for you, but I'm pretty sure I'ma have to get a bun to this motherfucker. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Ha, ha, ha. But yeah, certainly extremely rare for quarterbacks to squat 600 pounds. Yeah, back to the initial question topic.

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throughout training camp and everything on fluidity and athletic movements as opposed to just lifting heavy weight which I think probably at this point in his career once you've already had that foundation of strength you know playing quarterback positions about being fluid it's about having good footwork. It's about 100% having hips that move in the right way. I think all of those things are more important than squat and 600 pounds and I think that that's made him but when he's on the field when he's on the five-yard line, find a way to get the ball in the end zone. That's great point. Last night. Just strong. When you run through three guys,

that's where the six-inch of your punch walk comes in. That's fair. That's fair. Talking about that Vikings Eagles game on Monday night. Underrated rivalry? Are we thinking that the, I mean, we saw Eagles, Eagles fans trolling. I doing the skull chant in the middle of the game when they knew that they

had the upper hand. It was actually enticing. I wanted to do it, but I have friends on the Viking, so I couldn't get myself to go full sent to you with. But it was pretty good. Do you guys think, I mean, you guys met up with him in the AT&NFC Championship game. I was at that great game, cold, but great game. Is it, you think there's a little heat or rivalry between you guys? No, I think that that, I mean, whenever you're playing an individual opponent that you think is good,

which I do think the Vikings are a very good team. I think they have great defense. I think their offense is stacked. I think they have great playmakers. I think that they're going to be one of the better teams in the NFC. So whenever you're playing a team that you think is really good, it's kind of like a rivalry. But I think that that rivalry probably is more for the fans. That has been building up ever since that NFC championship game from 2017. I guess it would have been 2017 season 2018 was the win the championship

game was, but there was heated blood for that one. The Minnesota fans came in cocky. They went to the Rocky steps put like a Minnesota Jersey on Rocky, which I mean, hey, dude, listen, minute, the where were the guards at? Are you kidding me, Josh? I don't have any guards around the Rocky statue? You guys don't have any security? You kidding me? Listen, it is I for an eye, you know, justice, when it comes to the Rocky statue. You can do whatever you want,

but you better be willing to take the hits and be held accountable for whatever happens to Rocky. All right. I think Minnesota has this like hunky-dory Midwest feeling that like, oh, we just came in there and they were rude to us. It is like, you guys are doing a sculpture and you guys were putting stuff on the Rocky steps and it's in the statue. You guys were making this an animosity. And then you're is for it. Well, I'm just saying, you guys weren't without any type of, fault for antagonizing the situation.

Now, the Eagles fans probably went a little aggressive from some of the things I've heard. There might have been things thrown at buses. I think we can probably do a better job of keeping it a little bit more, a little more civilized. Asking you know a little ask it as civilized ask asking fairly fans to clean it up as a fucking joke okay that that ain't gonna fuck it up and i can see you come into the link

for an nc championship game and you're taught the the eagles fans i mean you know yeah i mean i don't know what you'll be safe you know what you're getting yourself into and then you can't be after that that's like when you were in the back seat And we're sitting on a road trip and you would antagonize me and then I hit you and then dad and then I get in trouble You're the fucking bullshit You antagonize that whole situation and they're like, oh, what's going on? Why are you doing this Jason? Keep your fucking composer Jason. Okay. They're just words. You didn't have to throw fists. Yeah

Well either way I got a ton of respect for the Minnesota Vikings football team and their fan base or Jason okay they're just words you didn't have to throw fists yeah well either way I got a ton of respect for the Minnesota Vikings football team and their fan base we're having fun right now I think the Eagles fans are obviously extremely vocal fan base and if we're getting if we're getting into trash talking I don't know that there's a better fan base. You want to go into one of those battles within the Philadelphia Eagles fans? 100% 100%. I'll give you guys that. You guys definitely carry the trophy and try to do that. You go to mentality. I respect it. It's a right

of passage growing up in Philadelphia. I'm sure. I was thinking about this while while I was watching the game. One of my favorite matchups of the night was Jefferson versus slay. Yeah. That was and and hats off to slay. Jeff is not an easy cover. And there were the best receivers in the league. Yeah. I mean, best route runners I've ever seen. Absolutely can go get the ball fast. best route runners I've ever seen. Absolutely can go get the ball fast. And Slee was, there were a few routes that he ran for him. I don't know if it was Scheme or if he just had a tick on a few of the routes. And I know that the red zone pick.

That what I mean, he jumped a post, you know, and it was a time. And he dropped a pick right before that one. Yeah, he dropped a pick. They got a pick the next very next play. Yeah. No, that was the second one. I was talking about the first one. Yeah, the first one. He just ran the round form. The second one. Kurt, we got to, we got to give my guy a chance. I'm not sure what the communication was there, but it looked like it was terribly throwing under. Terribly short. But then he just added to his Monday night resume.

I don't know about Kurt's Monday record, but I do know that slay is only proving that he's, if not the best one, I mean, certainly one of the best corners in the world. To me, he's the best, especially after watching what happened last night. It's hard to argue that now. Yeah, that was fun to watch. I mean, I mean, I mean, antsy in my seat, man, let me get a shot at slave, man. Ah, God, I don't know what the outcome would be,

but I definitely want to. You don't want that. I do. I do. I love going up against the best, man. Let me see if, let me get a shot out of man. All right. But all the respect in the world for,

I'm not saying anything like that, but you already know, it's fun going to be Against the best love those battles, you know Justin Jefferson was talking a lot of trash leading up to the game about how he wanted to put up big numbers so You know slay knew he was gonna have to have a hell of a game and that he was gonna have to be ready because You know that's obviously their premier target and he answered the bell and then some had two picks and Yeah, I don't know how many pass break ups, but tremendous came from slave So obviously I was I was rocking the six two at the link

Which is awesome to see everybody because you don't see Fan bases really wearing the O'Lime and jerseys every every stadium you go into. I'm not even sure if they sell them on every single team But let alone you see the six two is all throughout the stadium. I always appreciate that man just getting show showing the O'Line love is always is always gangster, but Playing together. I was I was obviously there just for support, but it's it makes people think you know Has playing together ever became like a thought or a possibility in our heads that it has it ever been close Me personally, I think the closest it was ever going to be in the NFL at least knowing that we played a high school in college together They'll close it was ever gonna be was the

The 2013 draft where the Eagles took Zachary. It's over me. And I was but hurt. I'm still but hurt about it. But it's worked out for everybody. It sure did. It sure did. Zach was not the wrong pick. Obviously helped you guys win a lot of games. The most career or most single season receptions. Yeah, record holder. I can't say enough about Zachary. It's been. It's down. But yeah, no, getting that opportunity

to play with you in the league has always been something obviously, you know, I want to say dream about it. Yeah, I've played with you on every single level of football. So it's that was definitely something that would have been cool. Yeah, I mean, I think we were both upset when the on draft night, when that happened, but it ended up working out for everybody. Zachard sent it up being a franchise best tight end. I mean, I think the numbers you put up,

while he was here were unbelievable, including in a Super Bowl, you had a career game, where you had a pivotal touchdown and a four-ton conversion late game. It's touchdown. And besides that, was just an outstanding teammate friend and member of the Philadelphia community.

And I think it worked out pretty good for you if I were to say that myself. I think you would probably agree. Things have worked out decent in Kansas City for you. So... Could it be happier 10 years later? Yeah, we really haven't gotten the opportunity. I think you would probably agree things have worked out decent in Kansas City for you. So, could it be happier 10 years later? Yeah, we really haven't gotten the opportunity. I think, you know, we both been really, really fortunate to be with the same franchise and

be appreciated where we're at. And it's hard to leave a franchise when you feel that amount of respect being given to you. And I think, do we really have an outtrain to do it? I can't imagine playing anywhere else. But Kansas City, I'm sure it's the same with you, man. Let's get into the next topic. All right. Huge comebacks were the theme of the week.

And it starts off with the Browns giving up 13 points to the Jets in the final two minutes. We're both from Cleveland, so we're Browns fans, so that's under the table. We're definitely Browns fans. I don't even think it's under the table. I mean, I guess you have to be under the table because the Browns are still AFC, right?

For me, it doesn't really impact. I hope the Browns go to the Super Bowl every year outside of the chiefs. But yeah, I think, you know, it's always, we always want the Browns to do well. So yeah, they blow a big lead to the Jets laid, the Ravens lose a 21 point lead hanging to fourth to the Dolphins,

which was one of the most unbelievable. A leg to see. I mean, oh my gosh. I remember live, you only get the certain games that are regional for me because I don't have the red zone and all these other things that you can get all the games at once. So I'm keeping track of my phone to all these other games.

I thought the Ravens game was sealed. Like I thought it was done. And I look back and all of a sudden, I'm like, what the hell happened? And watching the highlights of that, I mean, to talk somebody. I recon with Jalen Waddle. And watching the highlights of that, I mean, to somebody. Tyree, Kevin, Jaylon Waddle. And then?

Yeah, well, and to a, yeah, don't discount the guy throwing it to him. But, I mean, they were white ass open, but yeah, no. I mean, we talked about, the dolphins offence, holy cow. I mean, they got some firepower. They have speed, man. Yeah, and speed down there. And then obviously the Raiders lost a 20 point lead to the Cardinals in an overtime loss. Whoa. Did not see that one coming out of all those games. Obviously

the the score between the Ravens and Miami was a it looked like a sealed sealed game. But the Raiders to lose a 20 point lead to team that we just played. I mean, I shout out to the Cardinals, showing some heart, you know, coming through, finding a way at the end of games that they had a two point conversion after a timeout that they ended up getting a delay a game. So they had a two point conversion from the seven yard line. Right. And they AJ Green in the back of the end zone. It was, I mean, it was full of excitement. If you're just a fan washing, obviously, if you're the Raiders, you're just getting hit with daggers in the side.

The Raiders come out, no time. Get a big stop. Or march on the ball down field. And then a guy is trying to give every effort, every ounce of effort that he can by getting North in Hunter Renfro and Isaiah Simmons huge playmaker. I think it's a first round draft pick last year. Kansas City guy comes in and lays the wood and sure enough ball pops right out and

the game sealed by a fumble recovery to the house. And it's in it's in Las Vegas. You can there's an angle on the field. There's an angle on the field where you can see the Raiders fans in the background. While number seven, I forget his name, is running it back. And it is just hard break. It's just mother fuck. How do we get here? Right. Yeah, what do you think leads to, is this, I'd be curious if, are there more like big blown leads

and comebacks early in the season, do you think? I wonder if that's a trend. That's a great question. I mean, we were talking about it earlier, that I think handling adversity is something that you have to grow every single year. You know, you might have leaders that you have to grow every single year. You might have leaders that know how to handle a situation

like that and you kind of follow suit, but at the same time, you're gonna have to see how everybody reacts in those situations and regroup, man. And these are also situations that a lot of times you haven't done yet, right? Like most of these teams haven't run a four minute operation the entire off season. So all of a sudden now you're getting into a situation where you're

seeing terrible run looks and you have to try and manufacture ways to end the game out. Two minute drills, you've wrapped two minute drills all the time, all offseason, but it's not live. It's not when it's crucial. Yeah. And then the defense is against your offense. You're not seeing it. No, all of a sudden you're out there, you're running incredibly simple coverages, trying to face guys like Jalen Waddle and Freken, Tyreeke and then all of a sudden it's before you know it, they put up 21 points

in a manner of minutes. So I gotta think that, this, I think that that probably, I'd be curious what the trend was, if this is something that teams deal with a lot. I think you're right, I think that that probably, I'd be curious what the trend was. If this is something that teams deal with a lot, I think you're right. I think adversity is something you have to learn how to fight through. And the best teams find ways to get things done in times when it's not easy. And when they need to get done, those end up being the teams end up playing late in the January and February.

The teams are able to weather storms. The teams that are able to stop momentum. The teams that are able to, you know, finish close games when it matters. Those are the teams that end up being the best teams usually. 100% with your brother. Do you think momentum is real? 1,000%. Momentum. I'm a firm believer

that momentum is, I want to say everything, but that energy, the feeling that energy of, you know, success of, oh, we got this. You know what I mean? Because if you don't have momentum now, doubt, mate, creep in. Start questioning some things. You start looking at how other guys are reacting to things if it's not high energy. I'm a big, either you're a fountain or you're a drain, baby. Either you're giving somebody life or you're taking it out of them.

And I need that momentum and I need that high energy. I need that big time play that gets the, that gets everybody going, gets the juice, gets the juices going going I pride myself on trying to make that play for us to get that momentum because I think it's such a big deal. Yeah there was an article written I think last December by David Hale that basically said momentum is not real. I could not first yeah I just could not. What does David do other than right? I don't know. I don't know David Hale, to be honest with you. Maybe I should, but I think that anybody that's played the game knows at momentum is for sure

something that you feel out there, especially when you're at home, especially when the crowds with you. Energy is real, right? And when, when things are going a certain way, it tends the snowball, it tends to continue to happen. And energy, you know, people feed off of each other, teammates feed off of each other. Momentum is without a doubt, in my opinion, you know, it's it's almost palatable when it's when it's really clicking. You can just feel things at all. All right. I've been palpable. I said palatable. Like it's tasteable. I gotta work out my vocabulary for the second. I didn't sleep much. I just played a Monday night game. So my my vocab is is often today, but in particular about momentum, I think there's crucial times in a game where that you can build momentum or it can, you know, snowball out of hand.

And that's at the beginning and ends of halves. I think getting a good start to a half and finishing a half end up being crucial moments of the game and they end up setting the tone for how it goes. If you score right before half, that is such a big feeling for the offense and for the team. If you get off to a good start to open up the game, we already talked on that earlier, that's a big momentum, tone setter right away,

automatically puts the pressure on the other team. But that being said, what I will agree with David Hale is that the best teams find a way to weather those storms, we just talked about that. The ability to stay focused locked in when you talked about earlier where you can't let all of this outside energy and feeling of pressure dictate how you're about to go out on the field.

The best teams find a way to just stay right here. You can stay with them. Do your job, get out there, and then if you stay right there when the plays there to be made, you'll make the play. And you'll get that energy out of making that play and get that momentum out of making that play. I'm with you, brother. So the Bears go to shotgun on the goal line versus the Packers late in the game. Down 14

with 812 left ball inside the 1 yard line 4th and goal. You want to talk about big time plays. Go line offenses man. Yeah. It's uh there's always there's always that kind of just question. Do you go big? Do you kind of spread it out even more knowing that it's you all you need is a short completion I Think I think it can get a little complicated down there. I think it tried some teams

Try and get a little too creative or a little too cute to say Don't even get me started do not even get me started I if you hold it up. Let's hear it, bud. All right. If you have Game on the line Fourth and one on the goal line what player you running? There's only one right answer Roll out. I'm going roll out. Yeah roll past. Yeah, that's not a bad quarterback athletic quarterback. Give a guy who's who's a playmaker. The ball in his hands, not in the pocket and have a concept attached to it where you got guys flying everywhere.

I'm a big believer. I'm not mad at them going shotgun. I think giving an athletic quarterback like Fields Vision on the defense the entire time sometimes being a drop-back quarterback Getting under center. There's times where you just turn your back to the defense And I think that's a critical play where I would like my quarterback or my playmaker who makes shit shake even when you know It's not the right call or they got us you know the defense is right in the right blitz or something keeping his eyes on the defense in the back feel I think is a safe move I don't actually don't know what play they ran but I don't care what they ran they didn't run the right play there's only one correct answer and that's because it is the

highest percentage chance of getting one yard and that's quarterback sneak quarterback sneaking it it blows my mind how many teams do not run a fucking quarterback sneak with one goddamn yard what the fuck are you doing what it's a 90 it's a 92 percent chance there's not a play in the playbook that has a higher percentage chance of working than quarterback sneak and All of you guys that throw and catch the ball nobody ever fucking thinks about it. It's the most obvious answer There's this they can only stop it if they go all out to stop it if they all submarine They have six fat guys inside trying to stop it and then you have other shit wide open It's it is mind blowing to me how many people

Forget about quarterback sneak so what if they go summer when if they go summery defense They pack the the pack the a gaps. They put a guy right over you. What do we do? Even then do we have an alert on it? Are do we giving the quarterback even be able to get out of this shit? Even first of all, I don't want to give up strategy, but okay. But even if they go all out, the chances of them stopping it for a yard are so small. Even if they all submarine, the play is an astronomically higher percent chance than anything else you're gonna call. It's 90% is's not even close. I mean you want to talk about analytics. This is the most this is the most fucked up

analytic in the world that teams miss routinely. I swear to God. I'm with you. Listen, we had to get away from it. We had to get away from right. Well that's the one thing. Because our quarterbacks got hurt was in the side of his side of his leg. Okay, yeah, I was looking. I was looking staring directly at Pat laying on the ground just pointing at his knee and his kneecap in the side. I was looking at it like, what the f- So that is dead. So for those of you listening to somebody come get Pat. I couldn't even look at it. It was gruesome, dude. I thought it was over for him.

So that is one good reason not to run quarterback sneak is if you have a quarterback who has weird hips that move in an odd way, and for some reason he hurts his knee running quarterback sneak. So the only time I've ever seen a quarterback get hurt when a QB sneak. I've never seen that injury ever in my life.

Okay, that was the one, that was the one I deal, man. Pat got hurt doing a QB stick. So I guess I understand why you don't want to run it with Pat, but yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, I don't want to give up. I mean, I certainly feel very strong about quarterback sneak. Shout out to Patrick getting the first down on that, by the way. Hey, 97% chance working. Got it. What are we thinking about here? My losing quarterback. This is one of the things I'm very I think it's such an underutilized play when it's a yard or less in the NFL. All right, Buck Saints Brawl in New Orleans, Brady and Latamore John at each other. Mike Evans jumps into it to protect Tom and all of a sudden he getting tossed. He says protecting Tom. These two Latamor and Evans

have had beef before. I just think he was an excuse to be able to tee off on him. Like he was he was waiting for that one moment to be able to and I'm a fan of all three of these guys. Latamor Cleveland guy, obviously Tom Brady's absolutely amazing. And then Mike Evans is a stud. Ben the most consistent receiver since he's been in the league. And he's, I think personally they had beef and he was just like that moment. It was just a flip of the switch. He just instinctually he just he just just went into hunt mode. And he had to, and I, top of that, you know, you always want to be there for your guys, but at the same time, I didn't see Latamore,

you know, pushing him or I didn't see Latamore, you know, doing anything physical at the time. So it's like, at what point are you just like, oh, yeah, I had to defend him to... Well, whether it's real or not... Absolutely, lay him out. Yeah, I mean mean if it's not the reason we're saying If it's not the real reason Mike did it. It's a great Get out of jail free card if you want it. If you get a personal foul for fighting and the coach is like what in the hell?

Were you doing I'm defending I'm defending Tom Brady good? Oh, hey Take that every day of the week, right? Defending the quarterback is a get out of jail free card. Why the hell did you use points I got? He hit Jaylen, all right, good job. And to get out of jail free card, always got to protect the quarterback. I respect it.

I'm not saying I don't respect the move. I just think that it was more than exactly what you just said to get out of jail free card, man. Veteran rest day. Tom Brady comes out and reportedly every Wednesday, uh, vet day for all the, uh, for all the old geasers on the team. Um, I would have definitely been putting that boat. I'm a, you get, are you a vet day guy?

Well, I have to be because I get veteran rest days on Wednesdays. So I am a, hands-y. I have no choice but to be in full support of this. Just when I thought we worked harder than everybody. This was a, we're taking days off. We still go out there. We're still out of practice, but yeah.

We get some veteran rest days for me. I think I'm trying to think who else gets it, Lane Johnson. See, I'm cool with Brady getting it because he's 40 plus. He's got six rings, seven, however many he's got. You know, he's proven. 34, I'm about to be 35 in November. Travis, I play center. I play every snap. I don't get a playoff. I'm out there. I will say this. I used to be firmly against this. Uh, and I didn't think,

especially at a position of communication, right? Like part of my, part of my job is not just doing my job. Part of my job is making sure that everybody else is on the same page and what's and everything is being communicated in a way. Countability, yeah. Yeah, that well not just that but everything's being communicated and and and and everybody else knows what they're supposed to do off of that communication. Yeah. So the quarterback and center are two positions that control a lot of that communication. So it's hard It was hard for me to fathom not being out there and handling that That being said, I think you know, we went to some of these I finally got talked into it by some of the strength coaches come into Philadelphia

And saying listen Jason. This is gonna really help you. We've done this with the Rams We know that this is gonna make a meaningful impact on your legs. Will you please just try it out? And I started doing it and I'm not gonna lie. I felt much better on game day, so we've kept doing it. You think you, you, you, you definitely felt the difference. 1000%.

You don't feel a difference when you guys go to walk through Wednesdays later in the year? I feel better on Wednesday. What? Maybe you still got young legs, but I'm telling you, I think without question, it has made an impact on my legs. And it was something that I was vehemently against even just three years ago. And I have been swayed as a veteran player that it's probably in my best interest to take some of these rest days. As much as it pains me to not be out on the field and not to be out there with my teammates. I've been talked into it being the best thing for the team and for me so

It's guys easy and persuaded. I cannot fathom not being in practice. I have to get the reps. I have to be Well to be clear. I have to find we don't have we don't have the whole day off No, no, no, yeah, I get it. I'm we're just talking about practice and actually running, you know, doing doing all the physical things in practice that you would do that would get you tired that would put miles on your legs that would you know, things like that. I completely get that. I need those reps. I need that full speed tempo. I think when we go to I I think when we go to kind of that, that walk through tempo later on in the year to help us save our legs, I feel like that's

is rest day as I'll ever get. You know what I mean? Like I think that I'll at least be out there on the field. Certain reps. I might not get all the reps that I would in a game. You know, there's other guys, you know, that need those reps to in case something does happen. So it's a good way to get the young guys more acclimated. But at the same time, I know when I'm practicing and that play looks good, coach Reed likes that play. And I'm trying to get them things dialed up on Sunday. Well, I mean, this is a hot topic. I mean, this whole concept of rest,

whether it's the training camp, the season, the NBA, all of a sudden in heaven rest days. I mean, the idea of trying to keep guys fresh and professional sports is changed so drastically over the past, even just two, three years. You know, I don't know what the right answer is to be honest with you. I think there's benefits, obviously, to practicing and there's benefits to resting and I just, yeah, it's a hard one to really know what the right answer is. I know that my legs feel better on game day, haven't gone to this, but two or three years ago,

I was in the exact same position as you. So I'll be waiting for two years from now when you tell me, hey, thank God, I'm getting rest days. We'll see. All right, time for our new heights, Kelsey Stamp of the Week. I think we finally are kind of narrowing in on what we want this to be. Last week we kind of made it more like a player

of the week type thing. And that's cool. That's cool. Yeah, that's all over the place. I think what really gets us fired up as players in the league is when you watch somebody else who hasn't really gotten that credit yet or hasn't gotten that shine yet. Go ahead and make that play that separates themselves. You know, I think the NFL is

amazing, man. You're dealing with guys who are quite literally getting the opportunity to realize the dreams that they've had since they've been kids. Every single day guys are going out there and these are they're playing a game that you know, this is what they wanted to do their whole lives and they're finally on the biggest stage in the world. And there is nothing greater in the NFL than watching a guy go out there and make a huge play and all of a sudden millions of people know that guy's name. So for this week, my new heights, stand for the week, go to the Watson's. I'm going to give it to both of them.

Justin Watson and Jalen Watson and Kansas City, both of those guys making huge plays at the end of the game. Two of the biggest plays of the game, man. Well, those were the biggest plays. The pick six and that big touchdown coming out of the second half, coming out for the second half. Those ended up being the crucial moments that ultimately led to you guys being 2-0. And, man, I love it when guys make plays like that.

Absolutely love it, man. Yeah, great job, Watson's. The Watson's, Jaylen Adjustement, my guys. I'm going with Miami quarterback to a coming through all the scrutiny over the off season, all the speculation with the Tireek podcast and, you know, is he able to get the ball downfield to these speedsters? Is he able to lead his team to victory? No one last year, there were times where they took them out

in the most critical moments and put like a veteran quarterback in there, right? And Fitzpatrick. So it's like for him to be down 21 and to have that come back in the fashion that he did it, going up top to the two big guys, it was, I was happy for him. I was happy as hell for him, especially against a great Ravens defense like that. Yeah.

Stremendous. I mean, put six touchdowns up in one half. I don't know if that was an NFL record, Miami record, what it was, but it was insane. The second half that he had and, you you know if you can close games out like that is a quarterback and have the poise to do that under critical situations yeah that answers a lot of the questions around to a great job. Chiefs at the Colts next week one PM game Colts have been struggling a little bit to start the season off. Don't get caught up in the BS. Don't get caught up in the BS man.

That is a that is a very well coached team that they have a star studded lineup and on the defensive side of the ball. Offense is very run heavy, but they got, I think Michael Pittman Jr. I think that's his name stud. So I've a veteran quarterback that's won a lot of games. So I expect to play a very motivated team and just to go in there with a mentality of getting the job done that we're going to be in a bar fight for sure. And it's in their house.

Indianapolis is a crazy environment in that dome. The napkins gets rock and form and sure enough, can't let this game make you feel at ease. Yeah, you are going to get the best coach team you can get 100% and that's on film and the players that they have, that's a very good team. Looking for their first win. This is a huge game for the Colts. You're getting a fired up coaching staff. Frank Reich, all those guys are going to be doing everything they can possibly to get this first win. This is a huge game for the Colts. You're getting a fired up coaching staff. Frank Reich, all those guys are going to be doing everything they can possibly to get this first win.

It's going to be a hungry team. This is going to be an awesome game to keep our eye on. They have a lot of guys that are going to get the job done. You know, professionals in the building, veteran quarterback, being winless is obviously how good they are on paper. It's probably stinging them right now, real bad. So it's like, you know, you're going to get that team to come out with their backs against the wall and giving you their best shot. You know, not saying that they would otherwise, but it's definitely motivation for them at this point.

Now, so we know we can't, can't come in slackening man and it starts during the week. Maybe just take care of day by day and then what you can, what you can control during the week and the body rest and know that you're going to be in for a four quarter fight man. Eagles and commanders, one PM Eastern, first a visual game game playing former quarterback Carson wins. Obviously he's a friend of yours. A guy a guy that you've played your tail off with. That legendary run, a Super Bowl run.

He was the culprit for the for the majority part of that season, man, making play after play. Have you faced him already? Have you played him yet since he's not? I have not. No, I haven't played Carson outside of being his teammate. So it's be the first kind of wish it was in the link. For the first go around, but it's going to be in Washington. And I've

already text him today, you know, I think I'm looking forward to seeing him again. He was a great friend and great teammate while he was in Philadelphia. And this is like a, you know, it's a bit of a of a quandary because on one end, you know, yeah, you want, I want Carson to play well and I want him to do well, but I certainly don't want him to play good on Sunday and I want him to lose. So, you think I'm always rooting for that guy. I think, unfortunately, things didn't end well in Philadelphia forum. Got hurt after having an MVP like season, we ended up going on winning the Super Bowl.

And then after that, it felt like he's always just trying to come back from injuries first of the knee. Then it was a back. Yeah, it's been uphill battle ever since the Super Bowl run, man. Yeah. And I think as the team started to get a little bit worse and started to lose some players, it just kind of faded downhill.

And I thought he played well in india last year outside of that that last game it didn't end well he absolutely killed it just handed it off every other play it was awesome the leading rusher in the league and of course that quarterback is going to be playing great man so i asked this then the eagles were kind of um... showing regga last night how much they appreciated him and his time in Philly. Obviously, there were some things said when he left Philly, but do you think that Carson

Wentz gets that fair salute when he comes back to Philly, or he plays against the Eagles, or the Eagles fan base, respecting it, or is it just like how it ended was just, you know, it was a bad ending. Whenever, you know, you're, you're clearly wanting out of the city, I feel like it's, you're in a rough spot as a player. There are still a lot of fans in Philly that I know appreciate Carson and especially who he was as a person and to the community, you know, he, he, he You know, he's a great person. I saw a bunch of Wednesday jerseys in the link on Monday night. I'll tell you what.

There are still people in Wenzelvania for sure. They will always be Carson Wenz fans. And that being said, if I was a betting man, I think when he comes back to the link in the future, it will probably not be to a roaring amount of applause. Although I hope it is. How would you best describe playing with Carson, man? Because from a kind of a fans' point of view, at least from what I saw as very, it's

kind of sporadic. It was almost like it was controlled chaos. He he's a baller, don't get me wrong. Like when that ball snapped, he has the ability to make some shit shake, but it was never to me like he had full control over what was going on out there. I think, you know, Carson is a incredibly smart player. He was a guy that was a pleasure to game plan with and play with. Whenever you're dealing with a guy that is as competitive as he is and doesn't want

to accept a negative play, you're going to get times where it ends up being magical or something happens that, you know, you didn't expect. Like Jason Kelsey pulling you out of a burn of fire. That's a pile. Yeah. Or you're going to get times where you kind of run into a sack or you extend a play and you don't throw the ball away, you know, you know, I think Carson is such a competitive person that it's hard for him to just throw the ball away or dirt a ball and move on to

the next snap. And those have gotten him into trouble in the past, but they've also been some of his biggest highlights in his career.. It's tough to be critical of that. And that's something whenever you're doing with a guy that is as spontaneous as he is, it's hard to know whether you want to dial that back or whether you want to let him keep doing that. And really the answer is, if it's working, keep doing it. And if it's not, we got to kind of that What it comes down do I always love playing those those kind of quarterbacks are the time that I love playing with by the way

So yeah, I mean Pat is about as spontaneous and creative as you can get as a quarterback 1,000 and even Pat at times like as unbelievable. He is sometimes when he does that it leads to some of the Pad at times like as as unbelievable as he is sometimes when he does that it leads to some of the Like his downfalls of games, right? Like nobody's perfect 100% of the time. Pat is in my opinion He's probably the best quarter bed. I mean like 92% Like you know, he's he's clearly you, in the premier level of quarterback play in the NFL. But whenever you're dealing with somebody that is trying to extend a play, trying to make something happen,

you're also going to get negatives of those at times. That's just the inevitability of that situation. And you are right the first time he's the best quarterback in the league. Well, not so far, Jalen Hurd says something to say about that, but yeah, well, yeah, a good game. Go ahead a good game. Two giga games.

Two giga games. Yeah, well, two and oh, two and oh, you know, we shall see what happens in week three, baby. All right, well, that about wraps up the third episode of New Heights. You! New episodes happen every Wednesday during the season. You can watch and subscribe on YouTube to the new heights channel and

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