New Heights with Jason and Travis Kelce - Brandon Graham on Retirement, Rookie Jason Stories, Art of Trash Talking & The Brady Sack | EP 133

Episode Date: April 9, 2025

92%ers welcome back to another episode of New Heights! Once again brought to you by the HBO Original series The Last of Us premiering Sunday at 9 PM on Max! Today we are joined by Eagles legend Brandon Graham! Brandon and the guys get into everything from his emotional retirement announcement, his relationship with Philadelphia fans, the one play he would ban in the NFL, and his new children’s book. We also get into his relationship with Andy Reid, his favorite Jason Kelce rookie stories, how much research goes into his trash-talking, if he can remember all the QBs he’s sacked, and how often he’s asked about his iconic Super Bowl sack of Tom Brady. After the Brandon Graham convo, Jason and Travis offer the best golf advice that two football players can offer and we dive into a chain gang conspiracy theory. Check out BG’s ABCs on Amazon: https://a.co/d/5Qk650yFor even more New Heights, check out our New Heights YouTube Membership! As a member, you'll get access to full episodes, bonus videos, badges, and other stuff that will make you stand out. You can also listen to new episodes early and ad-free on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. ...Download the full podcast here:Wondery: https://wondery.app.link/s9hHTgtXpMbApple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-heights/id1643745036Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/1y3SUbFMUSESC1N43tBleK?si=LsuQ4a5MRN6wGMcfVcuynwFollow New Heights on Social Media for all the best moments from the show: https://lnk.to/newheightshowWe want to hear from you! Fill out a survey about what you think of New Heights and you’ll have a chance to win a custom jersey from our New Orleans House Party: http://wondery.fm/NHSurveyNO PURCHASE NECESSARY. Ends 4/18/25 11:59:59PM PT. U.S. residents only. 18+. See Official Rules: http://wondery.fm/NHSS.Check out all of our new merch’ at https://homage.com/newheightsSupport the Show:  THE LAST OF US: The Emmy-winning HBO Original series The Last of Us premieres Sunday, April 13th, on Max. You can also listen to the official The Last of Us podcast wherever you get your podcasts.AMERICAN EXPRESS: For full terms and to learn more about the powerful backing of American Express, visit https://americanexpress.com/withAmexALL STATE: Checking first is smart. So, check https://Allstate.com first for a quote that could save you hundreds.LIQUID IV: Visit https://www.liquid-iv.com/ and stay fueled for a long day with sugar-free hydration featuring the new Raspberry Lemonade Hydration Multiplier – Get 20% off your first order with code NEWHEIGHTS at checkout.PERPLEXITY: Discover fast and reliable search with Perplexity today. https://www.perplexity.ai/ See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Yeah, well, it was crazy. What? What? Hey, I know Kelz. Hey. Hey. Welcome back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen. A Wondery Show produced by Waves Sports and Entertainment Welcome back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen.

A Wondry Show produced by Wavesports and Entertainment and brought to you by HBO's The Last of Us, season two, premieres Sunday, 9 p.m. on Max. How about that? Anybody been watching White Lotus? Season finale was last night, Trent. Oh my God, I think I'm two or three episodes behind. Season finale, I'm not gonna lie. Don't tell me. Okay, I will say. Don't do it. I think it's my favorite, I think I'm two or three episodes behind. Season finale?

Don't tell me. Don't do it. I think it's my favorite. That's tough. All the seasons of White Lotus have been great. This might be my favorite season. The last episode was electric. Electric.

Love the sound of that because every other episode has kind of been just like waiting. I'm waiting. Well, there's a lot that happens this episode. There is a lot that happens. I don't it might have been. I don't know that I'm it's very good. It's very good. I don't even want to say anything negative about the show because show is fantastic. Zip it. Well, I'm glad you're enjoying White Lotus and I can't wait to watch it. But season two of The Last of Us premieres on HBO Sunday, 9 p.m. on Max.

We're your hosts. I'm Travis Kelsey. This is my big brother, Jason Kelsey out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio. Cincinnati Bearcat alum. Shout out to, first of all, shout out to all the Bearcats down in the NFLPA golf outing that brought it home for the cats.

Oh yeah, Sauce Gordon. That's right, that's right. Sauce, well then, I don't know. Sauce is getting his swing right. I don't know if he was the reason why we won. He wasn't carrying it. Yeah, my god sauce. He brought it home though. He brought it home. That's all it counts, man. No, the bear cats brought it home and make sure you guys the 92%

of subscribe on YouTube, one DRIE plus wherever you get your podcast and follow the show on all social media pages at new height show with one s Jason, let the people know what we have coming up. We got a great episode coming up for you guys. We got an incredible episode with Brandon Graham joining us today. That's right. That's right. We also are going to reveal the winners of the New Heights March Madness Bracket Challenge and answer some of your no-dumb questions. All right now, as opposed to what we normally do, we're going to get right into it. We're going right to BG. Let's get it. Philadelphia

Eagles legend and icon. Five five. Best smile I've ever been around. I mean, it's it's insane. You're going to see you're you'll see our guest today is a first round draft pick from Detroit, Michigan. He's a Walter Payton NFL Man of

the Year nominee, prolific trash talker, pro bowler, the record holder for most games played in Philadelphia Eagles history. That's right. He is two times Superbowl champion and my former teammate, 92 percenter. Please welcome Brandon Grimm. Yeah baby. Appreciate you coming on, dawg. I appreciate y'all having me, for real. This is an honor, man. I appreciate it. Honor is all ours, BG.

How you doing? How you living? You know what? I'm living good. In the facility every day, working out. I know. Nice, man. Getting that rehab and figuring out next steps, for real.

Nice, man. I'm getting that rehab and figuring out next steps for real. Nice, man. So you you retort in the game in the in the Super Bowl, man. You're you're an absolute warrior dog for going back out there and finding a way to make it on that field and and congrats

again. I know we talked after the game, man, but I can't say enough about how fun it is to play against you because I respect you so much and how much trash talk, you're always one of the best competitors and you back up your shit talking. And it was always fun seeing you on the field, man.

So congrats on a great career, brother. Man, thank you, man. It's definitely gonna be different, but I'm excited for what's to come. Cause as you know, I can figure out a way to trash talk in this era too. this in this area to Keep that time for the kids by the way how the kids doing man? You know what baby girls doing good gymnastics is is the queen for her life and and right now baby boy is all over

He got baseball just started opening day yesterday Yeah, we go. Yeah, it's cool. And he loved it. You know, he got some lacrosse. He's playing with second graders now. He's in kindergarten. But he don't like lacrosse, but he is really good at it. But he just don't like, he just, I love that I know what he do and don't like, but you never know it changes. But to see him, even though I didn't grow up on lacrosse, seeing how it's played, the rules and stuff like that,

it's kind of cool to see him do his thing. And then of course, flag football is one that he liked because he's been around football. Nice man. Before we get to the rest of this interview with BG, as we start every show off, everybody who watches knows, all United Superstar is out there.

We got to get to a little bit of that. New news. New news. everybody who watches knows all United Jupiter stars out there. We got to get to a little bit of that. New news. Give us a little new news. BG new news. You can put them anywhere, man. That's great stuff. You had a really emotional day a couple weeks ago, right? Where you officially announced your retirement. I know you said it before the season. You led up to the season knowing it was going to be your last year. And I've talked about

this. I mean, I feel like even midway through the year, we would talk. I'm like, man, you're still balling. How did the family react to that? How was that day? Yeah. So my wife, she used to get on me like, hey, make sure you write down little bullet points for that day when they do come events this year or next year, whatever, whatever year but just make sure you just writing down things, something that so you can remember uh on who who's been a real big impact in your life and all this stuff. So, I had notes that I was just

writing. Yeah. Yeah. It it helped and man, it hit me though. Like how it hit you probably, man, it just, when I seen everybody looking back at me and I knew this was the moment where it was over. It's like, whoo. Been doing this a long time. And I'm so thankful. Just thinking about it. Oh man. It's, it's, you put all this work in for these amount of years and man, it's like even from Little League all the way up to now, it's like, man, this all I know. This every off season, it's like, man, I'm about to get ready. I got to get my body right, get it right. And now it's more of now I'm trying to get it right

to look good instead of, that's my new motivation. I want to look good. I want to be on the beach where I can take my shirt off. You know, hairy and all Harry and all but look at Well, you killed the speech and not only that you killed the lead up to the speech you had the social media you got everybody kind of mouth watering with the Rocky Balboa statue over by the Rocky the history Museum steps or art history Museum steps. Yeah.

You already know that was so cool. That was it. I've wanted to do something so Philly man. That was that was it. That was a Philly thing where I was like man, where can I hang my cleats up somewhere in Philly and I was like, oh the statue Rocky steps, you know it for sure and man they did it. Like, man, where can I hang my cleats up somewhere in Philly? And I was like, ooh, the statue, Rocky Steps. You know it.

For sure. And man, they did it. They did it for me. The Eagles brought their team down. We met out early that morning at eight o'clock and be like, hey, we got an announcement at 12 and it just worked out so good, man. And that's how I know this was the right, it was the right choice. Because of course I called Howie like, hey, I can still cancel this thing, man.

What's up? Yeah. For real. That is something I definitely wanted to ask you. Because I know you said before the season it was going to be your last year, but you were playing so well. Yes. Right.

And like, you're still, you could still play the game. Did you second guess this at all? Like how I know I know before the season said it's going to be your last. But what was it like leading up to this decision? Were there moments where you're like, man, I think I might want to give it another run. Or were you like, no, I'm done. I'm going to be totally honest with you. I want to give it another run because I got hurt.

And I was like, man, I got a I got a whole bunch left that I can still do. And I was going really this year would have been the real last year for sure, if he would have kind of granted that. But he was like, man, this is such a storybook ending. And man, that's what I said in my prayer. When I walked in, I prayed before I had went in, the day before, I was like, okay, Lord, I'ma just,

I'ma, you just leave me on this. And when I walked in, I was like, I'ma put it in his hands if how we, if we don't come to a conclusion that we can do it again, I ain't even gonna fight it. So when I walk in, he like, BG, like what you wanna do? I say, man, what you want me to do? So, cause you know my heart.

You know my heart. You know my heart. He was like, BG, this is such a fairy tale ending, man. I can't let you. I can't let you, man. Like you gotta go out on top. And when he said fairy tale, I was like, all right, Lord, I'm done.

I'm done. I didn't even fight it after that. And so I just felt like a weight was lifted off my shoulder when it happened. And I was like, okay, I don't have to fight, fight no more. I ain't gotta fight no more. Cause man, I had this chip on my shoulder for so long on like just people like what you said, man, like I'm a bus and all that stuff. I carry that every year as motivation to go out there and make sure I'm working. But my family for sure was, you know,

my biggest motivation, but that was one that I always was like, man, how we never want to get rid of me and you kind of play play that game in your head and and that's why you train hard and you go hard and uh make them sacrifices that you know that's hard to make like eating food and all that stuff because you want to look good. All that. No doubt. I'll tell you what, man. 15 seasons, 218 games. Bro. You shut all those two times Super Bowl champion. You shut all those two times Super Bowl

champion. You shut all those **** down or whatever. Anybody that had anything to say, man. What made you love fit? You gotta tell me. You're Detroit guys. You're from that blue collar, that that tough area. What was it about Philly that year in, year

out made you stick around because it was always, I mean, it was an up and down roller coaster for you. See, year in, year out, you stick around because it was always, I mean, it was an up and down roller coaster for you. See, year in, year out, you've had multiple different coaches pulled through. Like, what was it about the city and about this organization that really made you want to be there as an eagle your entire career? Well, stripping that stripping that ball on Brady, man, that made that helped me out a lot.

Because I didn't like I didn't it in Philly at first, man. I'm telling you. Like, Philly fans was so tough, man. And it just wasn't everything I wanted it to be. But like you say, coming from Detroit, being a fighter, not knowing that, hey, this your first real adversity, is like, how you going to fight back? And so I think for me, having guys like Trent and having guys like JP in my head, like, hey, man, like if

Chip Kelly wants you to play special teams, go play special teams, be the best at it, man, like, no sense of crying about it. Cause I used to be like, man, I ain't never played special teams when Coach Reed was here. Now I gotta do this, play all four. And it was an opportunity. And so I even still use that story today for the guys, because man, once I really had my mindset of, man, I'm going to do it, it turned into something that I didn't even know that it would turn into, where I'm on kickoff, and them boys putting two or three

on me because I'm running through the wedge, and whoever was the one that I ran through, they needed two people. And so it became that. And man, it was all mindset with that. And then I think it took my career to another level because I had some adversity that I went through. I conquered that by my attitude. And then look, look what happened, man. Now they, after games like BG, man, our special teams coach was like, man, you need to block, we need to go ahead to block 55 on kickoff because he

coming down running through. You know, you better get you better get your chin strap buckled up. You know what I'm saying? Oh yeah. Put your mouth piece in. So, I was about to say, you're an eagle. You're an eagle favorite for for a lifetime now,

man. You gave them happiness that they never experienced in their life twice and uh you even threw out the first pitch with Saquon the other day. Um did you practice before you went up there? Were you throwing the ball around a little bit? They

didn't let us uh uh I had did one in Michigan in Detroit. My only first only one I did before I actually did that one uh last week. And man, nah, they didn't let us go in the dugout and throw. We just had to and I had the trophy in my hand and I

had to throw it. So it made it even like, man, we want somebody we want to get the pick for the trophy and BG you got to hold it because Saquon was like, no, I ain't holding it. I'm going to let you hold it. Because he was more worried about getting the ball over the plate. So I was like, all right. But no, I didn't. I just, I just kept it high. Just kept it high. And it floated it in there. Floated it in there. Mm hmm. Yeah, that's what I should have did. I decided to try to throw a heater. Have you seen Travis's up there from the mound?

No, you know, nobody should ever see that. Oh, they should just believe that from from the mound like an idiot. Yeah. With with no practice. And when I tell you I haven't thrown anything since my pick in 2015 to the New York Giants, I had like I was, I just, I spiked it right in the ground, man. It was terrible. Oh man. They laughed at you, huh? Yeah. I got my redemption though in KC a few weeks after that. Okay. I got a, I got a chance

to go back in KC. So I did it. I did it right in KC, but in front of the hometown, I felt like a jamo. Oh, and oh yeah, I know that was Cleveland. Yeah, that's the bad Brandon. You're only the second defensive player we've had on the show, actually. Second defense alignment, too. Yeah, you and Chris Jones. As someone who has defended quarterback sneaks, what is your opinion on the banning of the tush push potentially?

What is your opinion on the banning of the tush push potentially? I think it's kind of, I don't want to say soft, but it is because man, ain't no way. It ain't no way. Ain't no way I will show my hand to say, man, they need to stop this because we can't stop it. It's like, no, because if everybody could do it, like as we know, you got to have a personnel for it first, then you got to work the technique in practice, and like we do, we just got a good thing that we got going. And it's like, stop it, man. Ain't nobody got hurt on it.

If anything, you come out from under the under the huddle like, oh man, I got to get ready for the next one. But that's football though. That's what we do. I mean, it's big grown men up front that you got to push. And if I'm not strong enough, it won't happen, but we got a strong old line. And I'm sorry, it's a little soft in my opinion,

but it got to get voted. And I hate that we hear, you know, some that we created, but people don't like, cause they don't want to see it, cause they can't stop it. Let me ask you this, if you could ban an one NFL offensive play outside of the tush push, what would you ban?

Ooh, one play outside of the crack toss. Get that up out of there. Ooh, crack toss. Hit me in my face, boy. Hit me in my face. I'm flanking every day. You know I'm flanking. I'm flanking.

I'm sneak attacking the whole time. Oh, yeah. I know. That's the one. You just made me think about it because you're the one that come right on the side. It's like, boy, how you going to get me like that? Yo. I'm Betty Betty Sneaky.

You got to sneak attack you, man. You are doing something about children's books. In the last video you used, that's right. BG. This is awesome, man. The children's book, baby last video news. That's right. BG. Come on out. This is awesome, man. With the children's book, baby. Look at this. BG's ABC's.

Man. This is awesome, man. Man, I can appreciate you. Check him out. Check him out. How did you get into this, BG? You know what, man? Me being a family man,

me, I felt like that was right up my alley and you know, just got to talking about it with some people and you know, just wanted to make sure that for me, that I, that I went out there and just, I wanted to add value to the world as you know, and the key is where we at. And I felt like for me man, I just wanted to do something different, something that came up and my wife was like, man, I just wanted to do something different, something that came up and my wife was like, man, she was all for it. Like, yeah, you know, this would be sweet.

Something that you could do. I read to the kids every night anyway. And so I thought this would be just something that just would add more value to the season that we had on top of the person I am, that my kids see me, you know, every day. And I felt like this was a good opportunity for me to add some more value to my kids and something that they can look back on and be like, man, you did that. And so that was cool. It's awesome.

But for the most part, man, I think this was near and dear to my heart with the kids and I wanted my kids to see something other than just football of them dad doing some some cool. Well, it definitely fits in line with Brandon Graham. I could see a Brandon Graham book coming a million miles away. You're a great dad. You're a great father. So this I can't wait.

Cannot wait. Check it out everybody. BG's ABC's. It's going to be out May 9th y'all. May 9th pre-order now on Amazon. Just type in Brandon Graham book and it'll be popped up right there. So appreciate y'all. Hopefully it helps you with my reading, man.

Man, I'm a scrub. I can barely read this damn rundown. You know what's going to get better as you get kids, man. You're going to want to just give them everything that you got. And I know for you, man, it's going to be cool. But make sure you know you ready when you're ready because it's going to slow you down a little bit. There you go. In a good way. In a great way. No yeah of course. All right that does it for a little new news man. Let's uh let's talk to 2024 Eagles man. You guys didn't end

on a really a high note in 2023. So coming into this season what were the uh what were the are the expectations always Super Bowl or BUSS or is it just like what were the uh what were the uh is are the expectations always Super Bowl or bus or is it just like what were the expectations coming into the season in terms of in the locker room? What were you guys talking? Well, we was at the lowest I felt in a while that we've been especially coming off a season after we lost to y'all. That was that was that was tough. That was tough when we lost in Arizona but coming off that year, we just had a it was a lot of excitement coming back because we had a lot of guys from that team. But the lesson for me was when you got to replace coaches, that was pretty tough because we had Desai come in, then we got some other people that came in.

And everybody, I feel, you have a certain amount of time, as you know, to get everybody on the same page and to be able to, as a D coordinator, come in, teach his scheme. And you have to be able to pass the message from coach to player and the players got to be able to receive it. It's just the timing of everything really didn't fit with the type of team we had and the expectations that was coming. But I felt like that was the lowest of lows last year when we lost and then Kels retired. And everything got better. Yeah. Well, well, well, it was

crazy. I know Kels. I feel so bad, man. You guys got a little bigger on the offensive line. You guys. It opened up some doors, didn't it? It opened up some doors. Oh man. But yeah, it was a lot of expectations from this year, just not repeating, you know, from last year. And so when Vic came, I think Vic was able to hire other coaches that he had that was that he already was familiar with. So that worked out perfect. Cause the DB coach, he came in, man, he already knew Vic, D-line coach, Coach Clint knew Vic. I mean, Watch is a great coach already with us.

So we've been together for a while. So we already knew how to work with him. And then, yeah, man, it's about how you working together and how you relay the message and how you teaching it. And I think Vic was real tough early on. about how you working together and how you relay the message and how you teaching it. And I think Vic was real tough early on and man, he was tough as far as, he was like source to me, which I like is I'm not your friend, I'm here to do my job. I'm here to do my job. And then if we build to that eventually, you break them in. And so I felt like we was going

to break them in one of these days. And man, when he came in saying some of the lingo that some of the guys say, Oh man, you knew, you had them, you knew you had them. You knew it because we was rubbing off on them in a good way because he was so tough, man, early on. And he just thought we suck. He just like, man, you guys last year, y'all don't work hard enough. And he say that openly, but I think as we got, we gained his trust and his respect after,

as just going through everyday life with him. And by the end of the year, our goal was to get him a big smile. And that was when he held that trophy, man. I got that picture on my phone, where he got holding it up and smiling. Let's switch it up a little bit to the offense though. What was it like adding Saquon from your

perspective? What was that? What were those first couple practices like with a workhorse like that? Man, when you see him hitting the hole and just know like he ran to the he ran to the zone every time like every time in

practice, he always run to the zone. Uh and so to the zone. What's the end zone? I'm sorry. He ran to the end zone. He finishes everything. Yeah, he finishes. He finished everything and they always got somebody I'm sorry. He ran to the end zone. He finishes everything. He finishes. He finished everything. And they always got somebody in for him. He finished everything in the game, too.

Yeah, you had that ball. He's going to find a way to break away. See, people don't understand when you get running backs like that, that know how to train for those big gains. They know they have the homerun legs and the stride and the ability to separate once they get to second level. If they take that practice series and in practice seriously, it just translates to the game. And I feel like almost every single game he played, we saw at least one in the second half when he had already ran for a hundred

yards and it was just so impressive. And sure enough in practice, he's taking every single run to the house. It's he wore people down. I mean the office like I got to give style to his credit always man because it started with him. He's the technician as far as keep staying on the offensive offensive line making sure that as Kelsey know that you guys are working the technique right over and over and over and you can't get bored with the details.

And so you see Stout all the time, just always on, always thinking next level. And man, it just worked out so much for him this year, especially Adam Saquon. He was the ace in the hole for us that we've been needing. Just because man, getting him, you need a home run hitter like that. And that boy was wearing people out. Like you might have got him in the first half and if you did get him that second half, he ready for the big one. Right.

And I can remember the Saints game when he hit that home run going up the middle. Well, it's almost like the same train, play that counter play, boy, woo them boys. I wouldn't wanna see none of them boys coming my way, like a Jordan Malata on a pool. This my man. Yeah, Lann and Dickerson, Jordan Malata.

Oh my goodness. Oh, that left side and Lane already a brick wall, man. Lane hold down that right side. And when we really, like, I think Sting gonna be a really good one this year. We had Makai, but I think Sting is a good one and we'll probably draft one too. But man, we got a really good line.

Cam held up all the way through. And I don't see why we couldn't do it again, other than just staying healthy. We did have Saquon on the show, right when he had been picked up. And he did mention he was glad he didn't have to hear your smack talk anymore. You have to apologize for any previous shit talking or what? No, no, ain't

no apologies, man. That's how I felt at the time. Hey, that's why I'll never go too personal because man, I don't want nobody looking for me afterwards. But at that same time, like man, I'm just trying to get in your head, trying to

have a little fun while backing it up. You know it. But Kels, just know, man, you was you was big about you was a part of that too, man, as'm just trying to get in your head, trying to have a little fun while backing it up. You know it. But Kelz, just know man, you was big, you was a part of that too man, as much as, yeah you retired, but everybody always was looking for you when you came in and I think we added a lot of value on just being in that building man,

cause that culture is what we did every day. All these boys do is work and they work and they put the work in and I think we built to that man. Now, now it's just more about for us just showing that love, having that access to come in and I don't want the hours of the coaches but I want to be able to add value to the organization to keep it going. Well, it's like you're reading the rundown right now BG. What was the first season like without? There you go. What was

the what was the first season without the guys that you came in with? You were the last of the Mohicans, so to speak, with Jason and Flesh retiring in 2023. And you already know, you guys share the same type of character and desire to help these young guys out. What was it like being the last guy from the start that was there to show the guys coming in and to set the culture every single, because you need those guys year in, year out. No matter if they're coming from a different team, you got to have those culture centers in training camp

and early on in the seasons to be able to, you know, get everybody down in the right way. What was it like without Jason and Fletch uh last year? It was different. Um you know, I I would see Kels so it made it. It made it made it a lot better. Uh but Fletch

really didn't come around as much and I think I don't know if he was just not wanting to be around because he he be hunting. You know, I know he love what he doing. He was trying to figure out what was going on in August. He was doing his own thing. He was just doing his own thing. And so it was different because that's somebody who had his locker right next to me the whole time all the way until he was done.

So seeing someone else and Mojo Muro Ojamo is a guy that I really respect, man. I think he's going to be a guy this year that's going to have a big year too, again, because you know, it's a lot of guys on that bench already that I feel is going to add value to the team this year, especially with Milk Gorn. Then we got to replace Sweaty. But yeah, Fletch was a guy that man, I was like, dang. We were really lucky because we, I think the Eagles have been so well run for a long time. For Jeffrey Lurie on down, obviously Andy, before he left to go to Kansas City.

There was such a culture established when we got there. Whether it was Trent Cole, JP, Brent Selick, Jason Avant. The Eagles have always done a great job of keeping guys around specifically for that, I think. And everybody does it in their own way. Some guys are gonna be moving vocal, like, hey, this is stupid. I don't know why we're doing this.

This is the dumbest thing in the world. And you need the other guys to be like, hey, let's just do it for a little bit. We're just gonna do it today. Then we'll see in the world. You need the other guys to be like, Hey, you know, let's just let's just do it for a little bit. We're just gonna do it today. Yeah, then we'll see how it goes. You know, I mean, we're doing jobs. But I'm dead serious. Yeah, everybody if you never get that side of somebody, you know, voice in that, then nothing really gets changed. It needs to get changed. So the more I used

to like early in my career, similar to you, I didn't really understand it as like, man, can we just go out here and do our thing? And then the older you get, the more I used to like early in my career, similar to you, I didn't really understand it as like, man, can we just go out here and do our thing? And then the older you get, the more you realize like, Oh, no, it's good to voice that stuff a lot of the times. Because not only are they feeling it, other people in the team are feeling it, but they can't voice it because they're not the big guys, the big names, you know what I mean?

Yep. Yep. I got a quick story. My first seven years in the league, we always sat in the back of the plane. And it just it was what it was. You mean the coaches stay up late. They got to get ready for the next game plan. The plane didn't have like the big. It wasn't enormous plane where there were multiple rows of like first class for whatever reason. My guy, Carlos Dunllop comes in from Cincinnati

and he makes his way to Kansas City. At this point in his career, I think he's like a 10 plus, 13 plus year vet. Oh yeah. Proving, does things the right way, talks to people the right way, comes in and he says, what are we sitting in the back of the plane for? Man, you and I, we gotta say something about this. Like, I'm too old to be sitting in the back of the plane for? Man, you gotta say something about this. I'm too old to be sitting in the back of

the plane like that. We gotta go ahead. We gotta make that just so I'm like, man, listen, Carlos, choose our battles here. Man, the next week, he made it he talked to somebody in the organization and the next week we were all sitting up at first class. This is pretty nice. The Eagles are gonna be happy about hearing this because the Eagles still don't there everybody's still in the back right there.

Everybody and who used to complain about it. Myself. And who used to complain about it? Myself? Big Fletch? Big Fletch? Big Fletch? No, but Fletch was the main one. Fletch was the main one. I gotta give Fletch his credit. And he's right, he's stupid. Why the heck are the players in the back of the play? Especially when you got the 300 pound, you know, 6'7", 6'9", all these big, yeah, all these big offensive, defensive linemen, man. Let them get some, let them at least, let them at least get a seat they could fit in, man. How the trainers up here. What? Like, you know, I'm telling you, man, I used to not walk up. I used to always get out the back because I never wanted to watch what go to the front because it'd be like, man, all these coaches eating all this M&M's and stuff like they did something.

You know, man, but for real, Chip Kelly, one thing I can say what the one thing Chip Kelly had right that boy got us in the front boy. He was like, we are we are coaches. They the players. And it was like, yeah, everything else was like, all right, coach. I did want to say before we move on, that is one thing that I really like, and I'm sure you're gonna enjoy move on, that is one thing that I really like and I'm sure you're going to enjoy too, BG, is we had the guys that we inherited it from with Trent

and JP and Yvonne and all those guys. Now it's really fun for me watching a guy like Jordan Malata take another step as a leader. They already got Lane Johnson in that room, but you get to see these young guys and you already mentioned Mora, right? Like a guy that comes to work and you're starting to see all these guys that are now going to be replacing the the the backbone of The leaders in those in the locker room and that's something I love seeing every single day now I love that man. You right cuz I am gonna cuz that's my biggest question like man who gonna step up in a big way this

Here, I mean, I know Nolan, I already be talking with him. We always, you know, converse because I mean, we both rehabbing our tricep and, you know, seeing him, I know that I'm like, man, it went from my, not even my room, because I felt I want to sweaty to feel not depressed. I want him to be able to voice his opinion, be out there, man. It's your room, man. Like, I'm just here. Yeah, I'm in the vet. But if you need me, I'm here. But we listening to you, we seeing you every day because you the starter, this your team.

And now I'm knowing it's like, man, you the one. You the one, when the guys come in. He stepped up too, man. He did, man. I'm proud of him. A lot of strides, man. He gave me fits in the game. It was interesting because the the play in the run was always the knock it's like he's lighter and how's he gonna do it and man he would cut

pulling tackles trying to kick him out he's got heavy hands man he's setting the edge oh he got heavy and i mean no gloves too like that's the thing man i got much respect put some gloves on put some gloves on i got no respect why you why you're not wearing the gloves? Who you trying to impress? We all know your hands are gonna work just as good with them gloves on. And they're gonna like I don't know. You right. You right. Cause you get. I don't like this like oh I'm too cool. I don't wear gloves. It's only an advantage. Put the goddamn gloves on. All right. Yeah. Yeah. When that ball come in and that thing's sticky and it's sticky. You got you. You know. But yeah. I'm with you. I'm with you, Kelsey. Jason's hilarious. But yeah, he raw talent.

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All right, let's throw it back to the 2010 NFL draft Did you always know it was gonna be the Eagles? No, I only met with them 15 minutes, man I was at the combine and and at that hotel where they had all the meetings at one point But I think it's different they said now But yeah, I was just 15 minutes Matt McDermott I mean Sean McDermott and and then it was coach Reed I remember them talk going over my. And then it was Coach Reed. I remember them going over my Iowa game because that was a big game of the year.

We was going through a different place and that I made, I think I probably had like two sacks that game and it was like a big, it was a big one. We lost, but it came down to the last, to the end and just had a big game. And so it was cool, talk with them. And then that was it. How was that 15 minute meeting with Coach Reed?

It was, it was intimidating, man. Cause you know, as you know that, that big, that big old like That big mustache. That mustache. Oh yeah. You know, not smiling at all. Like, man, I didn't really, even when I got to, got in the league, it was like, man, he didn't talk to us like for real, unless you was

just a guy that just went out and made plays and as I continued, like by my third year, he started to say little things like great, like, and great job, like, you know, you can see his excitement when people made plays, like how I would see it with like Shady. Oh, yeah, like the offense side always would get that out of him, especially on offense. But on defense, you had to really work to get that, get that from him. But yeah, Coach Reed, he was tough, man. And I see him now with y'all. And I love that

he got a ring finally, man, because, well, a couple now, but more than a couple. But you know what I mean? Like, when he was here, he would always get before he got stopped at the door, ring. Yeah, he was- Before he got stopped at the door, went through some garbage, man, at the end of his stuff, but the reward was so much greater. Losing his son and all that, man, being there for that, and being there for him during that time, all that stuff, man.

That's why I was so happy for him. We lost, but that's why I had to walk up on him and grab him at the end, because I had to pay the respect for one. I didn't want to run in that moment, because as much as I wanted to go to that locker room, boy, and not just that people up, I had to eat it and be like, you know what, be a professional, man.

Go out and give, because when your time comes, you're going to want the same thing. And so I went to talk to Coach, talked to you, talked to Frank Clark at the time, because you know he went to Michigan. And I felt good, man. Even at the time, because you know he went to Michigan. And I feel good, man. Even at that party, it made me feel a lot better talking it out with the team and what went wrong. I hope he went to the party. If not, it's all good. But it just was refreshing after we talked about it. And it didn't feel so bad after we lost. But I was so happy for Coach

Reid though, man. Because as you know, he's an A-list coach, man, and somebody that you're gonna miss when he gone. A-list human being right there. What does Andy even ask a D-lineman in an interview? Can you remember? I mean, I know it was 15, 16 years ago, but like what? Yeah, did he ask much or was it mostly McDermott and the D-line coaches and all that?

It was mostly McDermott talking. Coach Reed just probably was just sitting back, just kind of watching. And then I remember when I left, he just was talking low how he talk. It wasn't no excitement. It was all serious at the time for me, man. Me coming in, I was like, what up coach? Hey, y'all. Hey, you know that, all that. But it wasn't as many smiles as much as it was smiles on draft day when they drafted me. They was just asking me about, you know, my stuff that I think weed was more of the topic at one point

in college, you know, just talking about the smoking and all that stuff. But I didn't really have no off the field stuff in college. I think I had a, what was it, one disorderly conduct for my speakers in my car, you know, stuff like that. I think that's what they... That's nothing. Yeah, just being disruptive. Like it was one of them I had to answer to. I'm a coach. I like that. All right, he's disruptive.

Yeah. I need to... I want my defense event to be disruptive. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, we talked about that. Yeah. And then we talked about that's it. I'm just being honest. If somebody comes to me and they are, I got two defense events. They were in the exact same speeds, same times. And the only other information they give me is like one of them never really talks and it's super quiet and the other one is super

disruptive. I'm like, I'm taking the disruptive one. Give me the disruptive. Give me the shortly. Give me that one. He got some aggression, but he got a fire in his belly. I like it. Oh man. You were, you were already, you were already in an Eagles uniform, but what, what was your first impression of when Jason Kelsey got on the team? First impression? Can you remember your first time being like, who the fuck is this guy? It was the entire season. Well, you know what?

That hair, it's that hair. The hair at the time. He had the long hair. Had the long hair. You know, he was, he wasn't as- He had a flowing out the helmet. He had the cape on. He had the cape on.

And then we had who we have. We had mud, huh? Mud at that time. Yeah. Danny Watkins. Yeah. Danny Watkins. Our man. Oh, the fireman with Danny definitely was not at. I mean, he was that he was there more than he was playing playing football.

For real. A lot of. Yeah. I got much respect for Danny, though. He he he used it. he used it, man. He used it. At the end of the day, Danny just, he wanted to be a fireman instead of a football player more. I mean, there ain't nothing wrong with that.

I respect the hell out of firemen, right? I respect it. I respect it. It's pretty crazy. He got drafted in the first round and then, but having that mentality. I just saw something a couple years ago He saved somebody's life being a fireman like a Danny doing his thing. Oh, yeah, Danny. Yeah, Danny is doing his thing, man I mean, you know, he found his niche after I remember my brother

Daddy bought a fire truck like one that they weren't using anymore Yeah, it was just driving around the city and I'm like Jason is just going around hammering beers riding around Philly. We took it to the game. I'm in college still. I'm like what the fuck kind of life is this guy living out there in Philadelphia? We took it to the game. It might have been the game. I tore my ACL. I don't remember but we took it to the game. One of them, I'm in there with an axe with a big old mustache or something like that. I can't remember. I thought it was out there

somewhere. You got a favorite Jason Kelce story from your time there. We all know about the trash cans and the helmets being thrown during practices and stuff. You got any good stuff outside of those? You know what? If I had to think about, you know what, some of his speeches, man was great, especially like during COVID years, when we was inside the bubble, man, like, I just felt

like your speeches always hit home because of, you know, just the realness of a man. And, you know, I just always respect just how like you guys on here, y'all be vulnerable and crying and all that stuff. Like me, I was, I grew up, you guys on here y'all be vulnerable and crying and all that stuff like me I was grew up, you know, my mom used to be on me about crying and so man I used to be so tough even this even it felt so good crying when I had my speech because man It's just been a while, you know, I'm saying all we sure you always try to be too tough And it's like man, I love that you guys, you know, wear that wear that emotion on your sleeve, man, because I

mean, we need more of that as me getting that stuff out. And so I've gotten a lot better with that. And I always admire that, that you can, you know, do that. And so man, I felt for me, you know, just even with the speeches, you know, we always listen because we knew that you just not a bullshitter, man, like, you know, you might laugh and have fun and all this stuff here and there. But it's more of like, when you do get you, you know, opening up and doing some stuff,

man, it's always cool, because you can tell that it means something to you. So that's, that's what just telling you my inspiration, your inspiration on how you inspire, you know, just me on just like, man, how you can know your emotions. Like, you know, I'm saying that and and and be okay with that. Mm hmm. Man, every single time I was trying not to I was trying not to cry, but I couldn't help it. Yeah, that's what I think.

Just comes out. It is. Yeah, it's in the blood, but I can respect it. I got to say my biggest BG memory. I mean, there's a lot of them, but the one I really think about is the trash talking before the Giants game. I still think about that All all year big Dexter Lawrence had been beating the crap out of centers and I'm getting ready to go

I got to be on my game right now Big game for us first playoff game of 2022. Yep. This dude has been killing people I had already played him a couple times. So I'd already used a lot of my tricks I don't know if I'm gonna be able to trick them this time I don't know if I'll be able to to trick him this time. Yeah. I gotta trick him into being tricked. Yeah. I gotta play the trick. I gotta go. He's gonna think I'm doing this. I gotta go over here and do that. BG is just talking so much **** to this dude and I see Dexter up there and he's

like, yeah. Oh yeah. He's getting madder and madder. I'm like, god damn it. BG's making my job so much harder. No, BG's making the job easier, because now he's going to be aggressive. And that's how you really trick somebody. You get real aggressive, and then you can start pulling the chair and get them off their body. It was all good.

It ended up being perfect. It was a great game for us. So everybody was playing good. BG, we got to talk more about the trash talking, man. We've shouted out your trash talking so much on this show. Everyone in the league always put you up there in the top of the list in terms of being able to dish it and back it up. When did you start trash? Has it always been a part of your game? Has this always been how you enjoy playing the game? Or did you like at some point say something to somebody

and found out, oh, I could change the way they play and the way they react to what's going on? I think me being Trash talk, especially in Detroit, because people used to come for me because being a linebacker, I play a linebacker and then when you start making a name for yourself, everybody wanna come for you and gun for you and so people used to talk stuff to me. Because I used to be a person that used to lead by example

by how I do and not really talk about it. But then people started saying, man, I wanna hear you, man. Like, you know, you leader of our team and they wanna, and I used to be nervous on like talking. I mean, I've grown to this where I talk a lot now, but it's like at first it used to be just me doing my job and then when I get, when I get going, I can feel my ju- yeah, yeah, what you say? You know what I'm saying? Like all the stuff you talk to me. Yeah, what you say? I don't hear you talking now, that type of stuff.

But as I got to the league, it became more animated, more fun. Always try not to cuss because I felt like the that's when the ref stole the flag. I try to have some little funny but at the same time, you know, I'm serious, man, I just knew we would go out there for it'd be like, hottest

hill training camp. We're all tired. I was gonna say, does this happen? Oh, bro, it never stops. We're going out there for like two minute drill or whatever. And BJ, yeah, fat boy, you know what's coming. You know what's coming, fat boy.

I'd be like, man, what kind of snap, what kind of hard count was that? What is that? Yeah, right? Hey, like Kelz do his little, that little. I'd be like, man, you ain't fooling nobody with that. Oh, man, we had some fun, boy. I'm definitely one thing about it, man. I'm going to miss that time, them practices, especially because practices got a lot easier,

man, because in the beginning, it used to be tough, man. Coach Reed, oh my goodness. Trying to count. Long drive drill. Long drive drill. Trying to get a little's talk a little. Oh, drive drill. Trying to get a little drive drill in. Oh, you getting me fired up. You about to get me.

Ah, you about to get ready for that. We gotta see who tough on our team. First weekend when we get them pants, Coach Reed, boy, when we was up in Lehigh, he wanted to see who was gonna quit and who was gonna be the people that, you know, was gonna be the people that we was gonna take for the team to be the people that we was going to take for the team. And man, we used to do nine on seven, right?

Team run. Then you got, like you say, long drive drill in the end of practice. And it's like, boy, is you crazy, you know? He hasn't changed it one bit. He hasn't changed it one bit. It's still that exact. We always start off with team one quick blitz and then we're straight into nine on seven. Nine on seven, boy.

I love it, man, cause you really do see some stuff. Yeah, you might wear it on a little bit, but it ain't two a days like how we was. Just imagine two a days like how we're doing that one practice that you talking about, but then we got to do it again. And it ain't no mercy. It wasn't like, he'd be like, okay,

they had a rough a rough a rough one in the beginning. Uh let's get it. It's just like no next man up. Everybody had a rough one in the beginning. You're about to have another one right here. Let me ask you this. What is is there an art form to trash talking? You do a little background. Little background. Yeah. You do a little background like uh knowing like I follow the page. I follow your page. See what you got up.

See what you into. Talk about some good. Get you off. I do like, you know, I learned it from a little bit of like, you know, just other players on just like, man, look at their Instagram. You could tell you could tell exactly what kind of stuff they into talk with them. Like, you know, I'm saying, and so I started doing that later on in my career. Social media, you know, just became more accessible like how it is now where you can really just look on somebody's page. You can kind of tell. You can find anything you want. Anything. And so I started doing that more, but I didn't go like personal. Some stuff was just, I don't want, like I told you, I don't want nobody coming looking for me after the game. But

personal, some stuff was just, I don't want, like I told you, I don't want nobody coming looking for me after the game. But like a guy like Donald Penn, like, yeah, I used to talk my stuff to him, especially like during that time where like that, like spicy chicken, sour stuff popped up. He made me, it made me think about him because I remember he used to get in trouble. Like you, that's Popeyes, like, you know, and I was like, yeah, man, we bought the whoop yard because I know you had about a couple of them, you know what I'm saying? That type of stuff. Because I knew that he was a guy that they had his contract where

if he made sure he stayed under away, he can get an incentive on that. So when I found that out, oh, man, I started messing around. That's hilarious. Stuff like that. You know what I'm saying? Nothing like a good heavy joke.

Oh, yeah. I mean, I know saying? Nothing like a good heavy joke. Oh yeah. I mean, I know every week was like, all right, BG, come on, man. Where you at? Jump on the scale? Yes, I'm good today. Thank you. You know what I'm saying?

That's what I am going to be happy about, but I promise you, I'm about to, hey, I bet you everybody had money on the plus side of it. Like, nah, we're going to see. BG going to be the slim goodie when I get there. I'm not gonna lie. Just so you know, BG Uh-huh. Everybody thinks you're gonna turn into an overweight mess Every year big I know to your credit you would lose weight. Uh-huh. But we know you like them cookies BG Uh huh. But we know you like them cookies, BG. Oh yeah.

We know you like them cookies. Oh, you got a cookie monster in you. Oh man, you know, I love just sweets, but let me tell you, I've been working out. As you can see, Kelz, I was in there with you today. I'm gonna make sure. I'm just trying to keep that routine because you right, I know Fletch can't wait.

Fletch over there, Fletch the ringleader of it. Like yeah. Exactly, exactly. BG gonna be this, I bet you. put my money down. It's money down already. But you better get I'm out to pick it right up. I might bet Fletch after this conversation. I've had so much more self control because my wife, you know, she is killing it and she. She don't play. Carla ain't playing. Yeah.

That's too funny. She don't play. And she like, look, we about to have, we about to be in weddings. We about to do all this stuff and you out here, you better make sure that you right. I'm like, I got you, baby. And so there we go. Accountability in the house. I need an accountability partner. And so she the one, she the one.

She kind of reminds me of Vic Fangio a little bit. You know, she got a little bit of that Vic Fangio style. No nonsense. I make sure, I make sure I really want to make change if I tell her. If I tell her, cause I don't want her on me, man. Sam, Hey, you said you was going to do this. Why you over there doing that?

It's like, Oh my goodness. Like I can't have a snack or you know. It says one, it says one baby. Alrighty. Let's get to a game. we're going to play with you BG. Did you sack him? Oh, okay. Did you sack him? That's right. Brought to you by American Express.

Yeah, you've played in over 200 NFL games and recorded over 82 career sacks. Yep. So we're going to ask you today, did you sack him? We're going to give you the sacks. Yeah. So, we're going to ask you today, did you sack him? We're going to give you the quarterback's name and you tell us if you sacked him. Let me see if I'm real good at

this. Let me see. Let's see if you can remember. Yeah. Alright. I'll start with an easy one. Tony Romo. Sacked him. I can see a picture of mine right now. Sacked him. Yeah. Drew Brees. Oh yes, I did. I sacked him.

Yep. I think it was a strip, strip sack too. Oh, okay. Okay, all right now. All right now. Not many, not many times, but I did sack him though. All right, Eli Manning. Man, let me see.

I'm gonna go with yes. You had. I had. You said division for so long. I have. Man, let me see. I'm gonna go with yes. You had to. I had to. You said you've been playing for so long. I have. I did. I had to.

Andrew Luck. Nope. Never got him? Never got him. Okay, okay. Alright. DB got him. DB got him when he played when we was, it was the year 2018.

Last play, DB ended up getting him a, other game, but no, I didn't get him. I didn't get him. Lamar Jackson. Yup, sacked him. I chased him down to the sideline, sacked him. Chased him down. I chased him down and then he ran out of bounds.

He ran out of bounds. So, you know, it was behind the line, sacked. So it was like, yes, yes. That counts? That counts? That counts? That counts? That don't count. That don't count. That don't count. It's on the stat yes, yes. That counts? That counts? That counts? That counts? That don't count.

That don't count. That don't count. It's on the stat sheet, baby. Yeah. Yeah, it's on the stat sheet. Then it counts. Yep. Then it counts.

Uh-huh. What was it like chasing LeBar down? Man, that boy fast. And I mean, when I tell you he is explosive and he stopped at the drop of a dime, like you gotta really take your shot with him because if you if you playing around like him and he just he gonna take off on you. So I just took my shot and he went out of bounds and they caught up a sack. That was a sack at the end of the game.

You were the closest one to him. Closest one to him. Boy. There you go. You're on the roll right now. You got all these rights so far. Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers. That's a good roll right now. You got all these rights so far. Aaron Rogers. Aaron Rogers. That's a

good one right there because I did not sack him uh at all. What? Nope. Are you sure? I don't know. I can't. I gotta remember. Let me see. We got him as the you did sack. Oh, for real. How many? How many? How many uh cuz hold on. Yes.

Yes. Yes. Yes. I did sack him. Uh 2017. Uh yup. I did sack him. 2017. Yep, I did sack him. I sacked him. Okay. I think we're 26. I know we played him. And I remember Nigel Bradham. Nigel Bradham, the year the game that he caught the pick at the end of the game up there. Because we had a really good game. That was 2018. 2018. Yeah. 2018. Yeah. 2018. Yeah. Aaron. Because Aaron wasn't, it wasn't often with Aaron either. Like, you know, like I, I couldn't get him. He gets a ball out quick. Yeah. Man, that ball quick, you know, so he was another, he was one that I wanted to get. What about another all time great Peyton Manning? Peyton Manning? Yes. I sacked him. I sacked him. Oh, no, no, no. You sure? I sacked him. I

know. Uh huh. You know what I'm saying? Like even like his brother, his brother was the same way. You know, Eli just kind of like, you know, do this love and and just kind of look and go back to the to the huddle. But uh you know who used to talk stuff back to me? Uh

Philip Rivers. Philip Rivers. Oh, I was about to say Rivers. I've heard he's he's he's already up there. He was uh he was one boy that just hit you on your butt. Yeah, how about that? You know, I hit you with a fight. I just remember, remember him first down, hit me on my butt first down. Like, how about that one?

You know that? And it was like, OK, you hit me. You touching me. OK, back back to front. Oh, that game, that Packers game is 2019. I bet 2019. Oh, game that Packers game is 2019. I bet 2019. Oh 2019. Okay. Okay. Is there a quarterback? You never sacked but wish you did. Let me go through this list real quick Who did I didn't touch that? I wanted to I mean, of course it would have been it would have been cool to get a picture With Vic, you know sack him but I got practice practice of practice of pictures and stuff like that But it's so different, you know when sack him, but I got practice of pictures and stuff like that, but it's so different, you know, when you in action.

So Vic would have been one, if he would have still been in Atlanta playing down there, but I would, you know, just to say I had to got a sack on Vic and then I got one on Dak. I love getting sacks on the Cowboys quarterbacks, especially at they place. At they place, it ain't nothing like getting a win in Jerry's World, boy. Because Jerry has said one time that, yeah, y'all drive damn high. Like he ain't, you know, he said something and I had it in my locker.

Damn, I wish, I'm gonna get the words if I can find that article. And it just talked about me going high. I would have had him near if it was my pick or whatever. And so I was like, okay. Hey Jerry. So I always, me being with the Eagles and yeah, I noted that. And that's why I kind of started building that, not even, I wouldn't say hatred, but you know, that rivalry with the Cowboys. That excitement to play. That excitement, excitement to play but you know that that rivalry with the conboys. That excitement to

play. Excitement to play. You know with them. Who's the hardest QB to you've ever had like a chance to like tackle? Who's the hardest QB to bring down? Cam. Cam. Cam. Big Cam Newton. Or Ben Roethlisberger. Ben Roethlisberger. Yeah. Ben Roethlisberger.

He was slippery. He was slippery. Yeah. I gotta say Ben. He was a slippery big guy, man. That he was slippery. Yeah, I gotta say, Ben. He was a slippery big guy, man. That's too funny. Cam is a, I mean, he's a juggernaut, man. The guy, he could have played any position on the field, let alone how great he was at QB, man. Getting that dude down, I remember watching the first,

one of the first games of this, I didn't mind not even being the first game of the season, but when he was playing for Auburn, and how he was running around, I was like, oh my God, what is this? Stiff arms and all that stuff, man. It was just like. Running through, over, around everybody.

His extension, his extension on just like, you know, his whole body, I ain't wanna, you know, say something, be like, people say pause, but you know, his length, I was saying. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Yeah, big dude man. And Ben though, Ben was slippery. So if I had to say my sacks against Ben,

I never took him down. It was more like the end of the whistle just blowing cause you got him. You know that type of sack. Trying to wrap him up, yup. Too funny man. Yeah. And that was Did You Sack Him?

Brought to you by American Express. Pretty good, pretty, you were all right. You may even get a little shaky there, but you did good, you did good. You nailed it. Nah, he was a little, I was a little like, I can't remember. He didn't, Aaron Rodgers, he finally came around to it.

Peyton Manning too, Peyton Manning, yeah. I thought I got him, I did. That was good though, that was pretty good. It's hard, when you got 82 of those things. Oh man. It's hard. I want to definitely get all of them on the USB so I can go back to it and watch them. I'm going to get Pat Dole to do that for me. Make me a USB. I'm sure Pat's going to be happy about that one. He'll be excited about it. I'm going to give him a shout out. Let him know when he do it. Tell everybody, yeah, Pat did this for me. Gotta love it, man.

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You don't have to answer them. You can tell us to fuck off, but okay. You are going to ask. Yeah. Now that Lane is alone of the core four that we've been nicknamed, I guess, who does he miss most out of me, you and Fletcher Cox? I gotta say Kelce because Kelce in his room and he know you, he mow you on a deeper on a deeper because being in the room is so different, man. Like it makes it different. It makes it

different getting cussed out by your coach and how you respond to it is everything. How about this? Who does he miss the least? I had to say he miss, he gonna miss. Oh, that's a good one right there. Yeah. So I'm gonna go with my boy Fletch because he mad at the world right now.

Fletch mad at the world because that Super Bowl, man. I told his butt to come on back. I thought he was though. I thought he was gonna come back. Who are you telling, Jason? I'm not mad at another. I'm happy. I don't want to play that game.

I was done playing football. I know. I'm at this point now where I'm with you. I'm with you. Kels like I'm getting to that point I like man, it's over. It's over. It's cool. Like, you know, I'm saying like it just time I have my time and you know, the next thing is I got a week to get my locker cleaned up Like that's what greg just gave me a week before I'm moving in to the next Yeah, he's starting and they need that locker. Yeah, they need that locker. So it was sad today when I heard it. He told me like, hey, man, I'm giving you that week notice. I know you already been cleaning it out, but I'm going to need it.

I'm going to ask Howie, you know, if it's like if I can extend you a little bit. But if not, you know, you just got a week. And I'm like, all right, but, you know, and it kind of hit me like, damn, I've been here 15. You know, now it's like, but I'm happy, all right, bet. And then it kinda hit me like, dang, boy, I've been here 15. Damn. Now it's like, but I'm happy though. I'm so happy that it's over. The stresses of it is over.

But yeah, go ahead, keep your questions coming. Favorite Great Lake. Oh, I'm gonna go Lake Michigan. No! Come on! Come on, Lake Erie! You throw up right there on that. Lake Erie!

I can say Lake Erie. You right, Lake Erie. But- come on. Come on. You throw up right there. I can say you right. Come on, man. It's what we share. When I went up to Lake Michigan, it was like, oh, yeah, it's a little more beautiful. Which one would I rather swim in?

Yeah, I'm gonna go like I'm gonna go for real. That's the way you're going in. I'm swimming in Lake Erie. Yeah. Or Lake Huron. Lake Huron. Huron is good, too. Jason, you can ask this question, Jason. If you could detach any body part, what would you detach? Mm. If I had to detach any body part, I would just say...

Or detachable. You can put it back on. You can put it back on. Oh, OK. You can take it off and on. Probably one of my, like a foot or something like that. Like, you know, just kind of take a foot off. Take it off. What would you do with it? Put it up and go to bed, you know, and kind of take a foot off. Take it off. What would you do with it? Put

it up and go to bed, you know, then put it back on. Hey, that would be like, oh man, I'm taking my foot off, you know, to take, to go rest and then when it's time to get back, you know, you know, you can separate it. Separate it.

You know where I can't get out of the bed, baby. I took my foot off already. I took my foot off. I can't do it. I can't do it. My foot's up there on the on the flyer place. I can't get out of the bed, baby. I took my foot off already. I took my foot off, baby. I can't do it. My foot's up there on the flyer place. I can't be getting up and doing something. Let me go get my sleep, baby.

I'll see you in the morning. I can't go fold these clothes right now. My foot is over there. Yeah, that's a good one right there. I wouldn't, I don't know. I mean, I wouldn't do nothing up here because this is where you, you know, I feel like with that, but if I'm chilling and I to have an excuse, I do so with my lower leg.

All right. All right. Too funny, man. Now that you're retired, is Big Dom still on your favorite call or your, yeah, your call list, your favorites list? Oh yeah, Dom gonna always be that because I gotta, I gotta make sure that anything that's going on in the city, I wanna know about just so that I can know where not to go. Yeah. Because Philly in the beginning of my career, certain places that I just go eat or just

like I just wanted certain cheese steaks. I'd be like, hey Dom, is this cool to be over here? You say, yeah, you're all right during the day. Just don't be over there hanging around. Say, all right, bet. You know, I'm going to go get some food over there real quick. I'm going to be in and out. I'm going to be in and out.

So yeah, Dom was always a good, he always going to be on the favorites. You got to talk about your time at Ann Arbor, man. I was actually at one of your spring ball practices as a, as a recruit. That's crazy. And when I tell you that there was no chance I was ever getting a scholarship to go to Michigan to play quarterback, I was actually in the QB room while guys like Chad Henney, Ryan Mallett were going over spring ball practices. And man, it felt like every single play was double post to Mario Manningham.

It was crazy. I was like, I was just sitting there listening to the lingo. It was crazy being on those practices, man. The prestige and the history at Michigan, you could feel it as soon as you walked on campus. And was that like a huge part of you going to Michigan? You know, I did love the traditions and I love the saying of those who stay will be champions and it's like, you start here in the back We are the rookies refreshments start in the back and if you make it down to the front, you know, usually

By time you got there you usually be a champion and I didn't get that like but I love that But I made it all four years but uh, you know, I had Rich Rod for two years and I had Coach Carr, Coach Lloyd Carr for two years. My first two with him and then Rich Rod came in. But my only two that I really felt like I could've got there as a champion was Coach Carr, because my first year, we was number two, Ohio State number one.

And I think, yeah, we lost to them. Then we went to the Rose Bowl, lost to John David Booty. That was the quarterback. Yeah. And we ended up losing both last two games, the one in the championship to get us a ring. And then we lost in the Rose Bowl. But that was a good experience my first year.

Then the second year, we went 10 and 2. We didn't have a chance because they got the playoffs now. But we would have been in the playoffs that year. And that would have been cool to kind of go through this type of style that they had now. But those was the only chance that I had. But those who stay will be champions. That tradition that Michigan brought just from some of the guys that's been there.

My dad was a big Michigan fan. So we used to go every weekend, every Saturday he'd cut my hair and then we'd watch the game. Then I'd go back home to my mom, stuff like that. So when they came calling, it was a no brainer. After my junior year, I committed right away and was just happy to have that. And then all these other teams started coming out of nowhere.

That's cool, man. Could the average person rush for a yard in the NFL? The average American weighs 199.8 pounds and is 5'9". Well, let me tell you this, if they can take the hit, which I think they can't, you know, fumble, I mean, if any, I mean, they could get one, they could get one, but you gotta, hey, you have a dang on Fred Warner come get you and take your head off, then it's like, oh, OK, you're going to rethink it. Yeah, you can get a yard. But can you hold on to that ball when you get hit? Right. That's it.

That was a good point. We haven't heard that one yet. Aaron Donald has said that Jason is the lineman he hated playing against the most. Who's the least favorite lineman that you've ever lined up against? Teron Smith, man. That was a guy that even at this level, it was like, man, what I didn't like sometimes is he liked to swipe your hand down, like, you know, that swipe down when you bull, because I'm like the bull rush and catching with the bull.

And he used to swipe my hands down. I would fall to the ground. I used to call him all kinds of names and like, man, that's soft. That's soft. You out here, you know, but he was a guy that I respect, man, because he always switched it up when I did get two and a half, two against him one game. It was so cool because man, he was tearing me up in the beginning of his prime a little bit. And I'm just giving them some credit because we had some battles. But for the most part, that was a guy that I always was like, oh, man, you know, I got to get ready. You know, you gotta get ready. Yeah. Gotta get ready. I respect that one.

What was your welcome to the NFL moment? Whoo. Let me tell you, I know this one was coming, boy. That boy, what's his name? Daniels D. Tackle that was at the Packers. What's his name? I cannot think his first name.

Oh, D. Lyman. You know what I'm talking about. But we was on, remember what I was telling you on Kick Off? I became the creator name. I created a name for myself and we was playing the Packers. And that year, it was- Yeah, Mike Daniels. Mike Daniels. Mike Daniels. Oh, Mike D. Yeah. Yeah, Mike Daniels. He was on the wedge. And so-

These kids will never know what the wedge is. These guys will never. They will never know what it was like. Never know. We we kicked the ball off and and Mike Daniels like they told him you know he gonna be the guy that's blocking me or whatever but I don't I ain't care cuz I ain't think think none of it. I'm running down. We kicked it left and they have a return right. So, as I'm running right, he already went right but he's sizing me up and this

one crackback, this one crackback was still going. Oh yeah, that the old ambush block. Ambush. The ambush. Boy, I turn, I'm looking at the back as I'm going this way. All I remember is just looking up because that boy that hit me that hard where I'm my

feet in the air. I'm gonna get that clip. I'm gonna get that clip boy cuz. I gotta find this clip. Oh,'m gonna get that clip boy. I gotta find this clip. We gotta get that clip man. Cause on Kickoff Return, it was back in 2013, 2014, one of them years where Chip Kelly, where I was playing special teams and we was playing the Packers. This one had Eddie Lacey too cause he was another one man that gave me a headache when I used to hit him when he was good. Yeah, they do man. You know, that time when that boy was like moving. But man, Mike Daniels gave me that welcome to the NFL moment where it was like, yeah, that boy right there, I don't never, like the next kickoff I was down there looking

like where he at. Exactly. Put your head on a swivel. On a swivel this time. That was the first time I turned down a hit where I was like, man, I don't want to get hit like that no more. So that was that moment. Should should blindside blocks be legal? Or should you still be

allowed to do those? I can't. I can't. Like for me, I would always love it because that used to be my game too. I used to get catching people in college. I mean, high school, college. It's a great one when when when somebody ran in and you catch mean high school, college. You know, it's a great one when somebody ran him off and you catch him. Oh man, sit your little butt down. But now that we can't do it and then somebody try to catch you like that, I try to talk stuff about him. But for the most part, that was what I did too. So I will have to say I would love for it to be back in the game because

it brought like one of them, like them highlights for real. I just don't get they say like it's a defensive defenseless player. What happened to have your head on a swivel? What are you talking about? You got to defend yourself. I don't get this at all. That's the whole point of the league. It's like, man, like when you out there on that field, you better keep your head on the swivel because without their gun and why the play is going, you got to keep your head on the swivel. So yeah, man, I would love for it to be back. But you know, we in this player safety league right now. So hey, we got to do it. We got to do it.

It's evolving. It's evolving. Hopefully it gets back to it, man. I got one more question for you. Which is your favorite Super Bowl? Oh, 2017. 2017. Easy?

Easy. Because of that, that play against Brady, man, like I told you, it changed my life. It changed my it changed my whole. You signed that picture a bunch of it. Man. I still don't understand it because everybody still be coming to these appearances and I'll be like, man, how did I not meet this person? Man, I feel like I'd have met everybody in the world. But because of it, it's like, man, that picture right there, man, it's nothing like it was, it changed my life. And then on top of that, got my first one. That was my first championship that I was ever in at any level where, you know, I got a ring afterwards. And so it was like, man, it was cool to, uh, that me and Philly, we all was dying for a ring and a championship and, uh, we, it was cool to me and Philly. We all was dying for a ring and a championship

and we got it that way. So 2017 will always be near and dear, but this one man was the one to, cause man that defense, I ain't never seen defensive style play that we did this week. I mean that week of practice and it's translated to the game.

So I'm, but I gotta go 2017. Awesome. Well, BG, I gotta say, I can't thank you enough for coming on. I mean, this was great. Thank you for the stories, man. That shit was amazing. I love watching y'all boys. I'm sure I'll see you up at Nova care. I better see you there cause I'm going to make a bet with Fletch about this

weight loss. Let's go. I love it. Cookies BG. I ain't going to be eating them, you know, periodically, man. Let's go. I love it. You'll be eating them cookies, BG. I ain't gonna be eating them, you know, periodically, man. They ain't they ain't gonna go nowhere because I got these kids. These kids be like, hey,

dad, can we go get some ice cream and you know, I want some too. So, yeah. That's right. But I ain't gonna do it often. I ain't gonna do it often. There you go. And don't forget to check out BG's book. BG's, ABC's, baby. There we

go. ABC's. Thank y'all. Gotta love him, man. Congrats on a hell of a career, man. I'll catch you up there in Philly or sometime soon on on the links, man. We'll catch up. Okay. Now, I'm looking forward to it. Dude, Brandon Graham. How about that one, baby? What a guy, man. Legend. Dude, this shit talking

stories were fucking epic. Everything. The guy can tell the story too. I can't wait to see what his post NFL career looks like I know he'll stay around the game and make sure he passes the wisdom and everything he's just that kind of guy man and Philly I don't even think they knew exactly what they were getting when they draft him all the way back in what is it 2010? 10 because I was 11 he was a year Yeah, I mean, he ended up being an all time ego. I mean, he's obvious. I mean, literally the all time leader and games played.

Yeah, can ask for a better person. More importantly, I mean, great family man to come in with a children's book. It's so like Fitzbrannan's what he stands for, like, just, he's a tremendous person. So couldn't be happier that he came on the show and looking forward to see what he gets up to next, especially staying away from the cookies. It's hard. It's hard to stay away from the cookies. It is. All right.

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Okay. Okay. Awesome. I'm 18. So I'm not a parent, but I was going to ask 18. So I'm not a parent. What the fuck does that mean? What would you what advice would you get to a parent that wants to

teach their kid how to be better at golf? I'm just I'm really I'm really bad golf guys and I you know I need help so so you're at please so there's a weirdest way of asking us have a good day go lion that's a weird way to ask us to help him with this golf game. What did the water boy ask Mr. Insano? Hey, I'm Noah. I'm 18. So I'm not a parent. And I was like, fuck, where are we going with this? He just wants to let everyone know he's the child in this. He needs he wants advice to tell his

parents on what to do to make him a better golfer. It sounds like from two football players. Well, I mean, consider myself an He wants advice to tell his parents on what to do to make him a better golfer, it sounds like. From two football players. Well, I mean, I consider myself an average golfer. Well, I would say first thing is probably the thing that you've already considered, and that's get lessons. Nah. Nah, you're right.

The rule of 10,000, bud, just pick up a stick and go hit that fucking thing, man. That legitimately is. My number one thing is just play a Bunch of golf dude. Just go out there Every lie is gonna be different. You're gonna need to you know Have a few extra balls in your pocket when you go and play golf the next time not so you can cheat so you can take the same shot Multiple times that way you're getting used to taking all the different random ass above your feet, below your

feet, behind up up a hill down at like the slopes and all the divots and all the different types of grass. There's so many different **** shots. You're gonna be overwhelmed by it if you just jump into it but it's gonna be it's gonna be fun. I got a good friend right now. That's actually picking up the sticks for the first time man and Demetrius he was fucking hacking it he was Hacking it out get the fuck out of here But it was it was funny to see him get into it every single shot every after every single hole

He's like I don't I mean you just have so much more respect for like the pros And I'm just like, bro, you are so far behind the wheel in terms of like the fucking what the pros are, where they started and all this like dude, not even thinking that you're we're going to come out here and hit a shot like a pro. Like you got to your swing. You're such a fucking enormous human being either way. I'm getting off track. Yeah. The biggest thing is get out there. You're such a fucking enormous human being. Either way, I'm getting off track. Yeah. The biggest thing is

you get out there. You just fucking hack. You just fucking you figure out, you know, things and watch some get on the Instagram just start scrolling the reels typing golf at the time start scrolling real here how people talk about golf. If you really want to get good at it. Just engulf yourself in the knowledge that you hold yourself. Yeah, there you go. That's great. All right. Engulf yourself engulf everything. Yeah, I think this

is all good advice. I think the biggest thing is practice, right? Like, now, if you take anything you do, yeah, anything you want to get better at, you just practice that. But not just practice. You put practice in with a purpose, right? Oh, the PNP. Take this from me. Listen, I am the third to last place finisher at the American Century Classic last year. So take my advice. I think take my advice. No, seriously, practice mostly with the clubs you're going to use the most. So what's what club are you going the most on on the golf course driver putter putter more. If you don't three putt, you'll beat most people.

If you get to putt every hole, you're going to beat most people you play with. Next club driver, right? Then your wedges. Okay. Get really good at those three things and you're going to be a decent golfer. You're going to shoot a pretty good score. So go to a chipping green, get really good at chipping up and downs. And then always too putting.

Dude, you're going to be golden, Bubba. You're going to be sitting pretty. I can't wait. I haven't played golf with you forever. I can't wait. I feel like we should do one more. We have a no-dom question on the New Heights Reddit page from Tanya Dixon to 12. What do you guys think about the change in the way the downs are going

to be measured? Do you prefer the chain gang or the cameras measuring them? I really don't even understand this, to be honest with you. When they say the cameras are measuring them, how are the cameras measuring them? What are we talking about here? Basically, the chain gang is like a secondary measurement for first downs. Yeah, that's what that's what they did last year, right? No, no, no, they they incorporated a chip in the

football last year, during the preseason and they that's what it was his preseason. But this isn't a chip in the football last year during the preseason and they that's what it was. It was preseason, but this isn't a chip in the football. This is they're solely going to try and use camera technology to determine first downs. But I don't really understand how that's different than when like because obviously everybody's lumpy to the conclusion against the Bills game, right? Against you guys where it looked like Josh Allen was ahead of the first down mark. I'm just all I'm saying is think it looked like it. I think you could only assume

That where the ball was in his arm that it may have gotten but you couldn't tell exactly Well, I'm think there's a lot of people that think you could tell and I think there's a lot of people that think you couldn't tell All I'm saying is I think this rule is here by and large because of that play. But I don't know what how this is different. Like they still looked at that play on replay and saw where the ball went. So I'm just confused. I guess I don't really understand how they're measuring the first downs with the cameras and how when they replayed them

upon challenges, I don't, I don't know. I think this is just a big Sony endorsement. I think it's just they, everybody's going to be talking about Sony Hawkeye virtual measurement system. And this is just like a big like plug for Sony. God damn. You're right. Aren't you? Why else would they fucking give it a Sony? conspiracy? You're 1000% right. I mean, it's not even a joke. This is our conspiracies work ladies. No, it's not a conspiracy because there's no fucking chance it would be called the Sony Hawkeye virtual measuring system. Like the only reason that that is a thing is because Sony paid out the ass to have this

as a fucking thing in the NFL. How did I not see this coming? It's so true because they would have never put Sony in front of it. They don't say like, Hey, all these cameras are brought to you by LG camera like system that fit. No, this is 100% a fucking I got I can't believe this. I mean, I'm I love the chain gang. I don't know why I like that. It's there this super like way outdated version of measuring first downs. I'm against the Sony Hawkeye virtual measuring system simply because it's called the Sony Hawkeye measuring

system. Like don't fucking sell me Sony and your fucking measuring system. Just fucking say, hey, we got a virtual measuring system now. Oh, cool. I don't need it to be called the Sony Hawkeye measuring system. You want to be selling fucking t-shirts. The fuck are we naming it the Sony Hawkeye measuring system for? It's the Sony Hawkeye virtual measuring system, Jason. They probably created the technology. I digress. NFL, sorry if I blew your cover, but also sorry to the chain gang guys, man. We'll miss you. Well, they're still going to be there. This is only the chain gang is there as like a secondary option. I do want to know what this technology is because I'm still confused. Like what is the Hawkeye measuring system virtual measuring system do exactly? Probably see through people. It's virtual. So it's like we can like turn people into

video games. It's expert flexibility. The system uses multiple high performance cameras up to 10 positions strategically around the playing arena. These cameras capture the ball's movement in three different angles from different angles. Triangulation. It's a good word to use if you want to sell some shit to somebody. Sounds like something that they use in like every 90s or 80s movie, like action movie. We triangulated as coordinates over triangulation the captured video feeds are processed using triangulation principles. It's fucking jipperish. They're

killing it right now to create a 3d representation of the balls trajectory data and analysis. The system tracks the balls position frame by frame calculates its path and predicts its future trajectory based on predefined models of the play area and game rules predefined models playing area and game rules. graphical representations of the ball's movement, which can be displayed in real time for referees and players. So I just, I don't know what Hawkeye is doing that you can't just see by looking at the camera. It's turning it virtual, Jason is turning it into a video game so that they can determine where the ball actually is, AKA they can see through people's bodies. Go up, go up to tennis, go up to tennis, go to go up to tennis. So in tennis, they can see when the ball hits the line and whether it's in or out.

So obviously we've all seen that technology used and it works phenomenally. It's a great, it's a great technology for tennis. They clap whenever it does it. But the Hawkeye isn't determining where the line is like the line to gain is established on the field in the moment. So they're going to get the line to gain from the very first set of downs. I think that's why they still need the chain game. They need to change to be able to be on the sideline. And that gives

him that gives them like the line. I just it makes too much sense that this is just a Sony plug. The more I read this, the more I'm just like, oh, they're going to go to the cameras and a human's going to look at it. This is honestly what I think has happened. This is just out for referees having to make this decision. All this means is they now have a camera that is going to tell you if the ball reached the first down mark,

the line or not. Okay. And that way, if the camera and the technology is wrong, nobody can fucking like you're not going to dispute it. Nobody ever disputes the fucking Hawkeye thing in tennis. They're just like, Yep, that was in or nope. That was out. Hawkeye said it.

And that's how we're getting with this. I don't know if this thing's going to be accurate or not, but how the fuck do you refute it? You can you can call it like anybody can go up there and watch a replay and be like, oh, that guy isn't looking at the right thing. I'm looking at the same thing. And that guy's full of shit. This looks like a first down.

But now you'll be looking at it. And the Hawkeye is going to tell you it's not a first. I guess they triangulated it and Hawkeye found Sony wouldn't lie to us. No, they would never. Oh, man, they triangulated it. That fucking got me. All right. That does it for No Dumb Questions brought to you by Perplexity.

Discover fast, reliable search with Perplexity today. Hey, now let's get to a little March Madness challenge updates, man. Oh, man. What a final four in the men's bracket. And what a very interesting women's bracket it ended up being now that it's over and Yuk, ran away with it. Yeah, wasn't wasn't even close. Yeah. I know South Carolina had an unbelievable season. It's not fun losing the championship game like that.

I can share a couple similar feelings with them on that. But the women's bracket, congrats to our winner, Matt Oliver. Hey, tiebreaker by five points. That's right. Well done, Matt. Shout out to Matt. Yeah, men's bracket. We're still recording this before the final, so it's going to be one of two winners.

If Florida wins, congrats to Robert Unger. And if Houston wins, congrats to Dakota Black. How about it, huh? Dakota Black sounds like a character in a movie. It does sound like it. That wraps up another episode of New Heights. Thank you, Brandon Graham, for joining us. Make sure you subscribe on YouTube, the New Heights channel,

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