New Heights with Jason and Travis Kelce - Chiefs Clutch Offense, Saquon Breaks Football and Does the NFL Have a QB Problem? | Ep 108

Episode Date: November 6, 2024

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to clear some of the air, so go ahead. Yeah, again, you know, I kind of talked about on Monday, countdown. Yeah, no, I'm just going to dress it because I feel like it needs one more time. And then hopefully we can stop talking about this really stupid situation. So I'm with you, man. I'm not happy about the situation. Me reacting gave him the time of day. And it also gave this situation notoriety. That's what I regret.

All right. It didn't deserve attention. It's really stupid. And if I just keep walking, none of it's a fucking it's a nothing burger. Nobody sees it. Now. It's out there. And it just perpetuates more hate. The thing that I regret the most is saying that word to be honest with you. And the word he used, it's just fucking ridiculous. And it takes it to another level. It's just off the wall, fucking over the line. And it's dehumanizing and got under my skin and elicited a reaction. And like in the heat of the moment, I thought

in my head, hey, what can I say back to him? I'm going to throw this shit right back in his face because fuck him. I know now that that was I shouldn't have done that. Because now there's a video out there with me saying that word him saying that word and it's not good for anybody. I think what I do regret is that now there's a there's a video that is very hateful that is now online that has been seen by millions of people and I share fault in perpetuating it and having that out there. I know it's weighing on you, brother. That shit sucks. You shouldn't feel this much, obviously, the scrutiny and the media view on it

and everybody passing around the videos that are being out there. I mean, that's going to make it a bigger situation than I think what it really is. But the real situation is you had some fucking clown come up to you and talk about your family and you reacted in a way that was defending your family. And you might've used some words that you regret using. And that's a situation that you just got to kind of learn from and own. And I think you owning it and you speaking about it shows how sincere you are to a lot of people in

this world and shows that especially what you said on Monday night that you you choose not the fucking you don't choose hate you know that's that's that's just not who you are I love you brother I think I think you said that perfectly welcome back to New Heights. Ladies and gentlemen, a Wondry show produced by Waze Sports and Entertainment and presented by Timberland and Vans. Jason, you had those Timbs on this weekend, baby.

Gotta love it, man. Little wide left. Yeah, they weren't the best footwear. The first one was a fucking missile though. Wasn't the best footwear to kick on. I will say, it was like a little bit of a slant. Like we were on a hill. Don't make excuses, Jason.

We were on a hill and Pat tried to tell me, he's like, listen, it's gonna come out like a draw. You gotta aim a little bit to the right. And sure enough, I didn't do that. That first one was a hit. The first one I hit really well. If that thing would have gone to the right, if I would have aimed it to the right, it would have been great.

Second one I tried to aim to the right and I just miss hit it bad. Miss hit it real bad. The camera angle, you couldn't even see the actual field goal post. I don't think all you saw was the tree far left and you kicked it right at the tree. Dude, I gotta, do you know who Mark Mosley is? He's the only kicker ever to win the NFL MVP. He won it in like 1982 for like the commanders or something like that. I don't even know if I think it was 80s. Anyway, he's a straight on kicker.

Of course he is. I googled because I don't know how to kick straight on. I'm like taking notes because I couldn't train, right? This is why you missed it. You didn't just go up there and be an athlete. This is why you got too calculated. You tried to read the directions. God damn it, Jason. I've never done a straight on kick. I've always been a soccer style. You went to a kick-in camp. You know how to kick. That was soccer style though. I never did the straight on. God damn it. You went to Ohio's kicking camp. You know how to kick. That was soccer style though. I didn't, I never did the straight

on kick. I didn't know how to do straight on kick. I don't know what the, what the parameters are. Unbelievable, Jason. All right. We'll, we'll talk more about this a little further down the road, man. We're your hosts. I'm Travis. Cause this is my big brother, Jason Kelsey out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio, baby. Just Northeast Ohio ball players, baby. Subscribe on YouTube, Wondry Plus, or wherever you get your podcasts. Ladies and gentlemen, and follow the show on all social media

at New Heights Show with 1S. We got all types of fun shit that you can follow along with on social. And Jason, why don't you tell the people what we got coming up for this episode? Well, we got a fun one lined up for you guys. As always, we're going to talk about the Chiefs' overtime win on Monday Night Football.

Saquon doing some never seen before hurdles on a football field. It's a bad man. And all the rest of the biggest storylines from week nine in the National Football League. All right, we're going to move on to a little bit of that. New news. New news. Who to you by Yellowstone on Paramount Network. Don't miss the epic return this Sunday at eight. That's right. At eight o'clock, seven central, only on Paramount Network.

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And since we reviewed Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants, we're going the opposite direction this time. We're going to review a non-Chick Flick movie. We're going to go the opposite direction and go like just as pure testosterone filled masculinity as we can think of. I can't wait to hear the reviews from all the Swifties and everybody else that watch our show. You didn't feel the masculinity in the uh. I tell you what, I did feel it from uh.

The Greece? No, uh yeah, the Greek guy. Yeah, I mean listen, Costas was pretty masculine. There's nothing more masculine than romantically charming a young woman other than Bloodsport. We asked the 92%ers to give us some masculine options and this is what some of you thought a masculine movie should be. The Notebook, which kind of aligns with what Jason was just saying right there. Yeah. I don't even like calling this masculine. I think that's what we're going on. I want an action- action packed just like freaking-

A dude's movie. We watch the chick flicks and now we're going to watch a dude's dude movie and yeah, we're going to go that route. Because I do think there is something like, listen, it's masculine now to woo a woman. There ain't nothing unmasculine about that or to woo a mate. It is masculine. All right now. Some recommendations you guys sent our way. The Notebook, Hannah Montana, the movie, Legally Blonde, 27 Dresses, Titanic. None of those are going to be in a multiple choice selection that we are going to pick. Marshall S. Not this time around. This time around, we're going for like, the Predator.

Charlie L. That's right. We want the film club to be very diverse. Yeah. No, everybody had. We're getting. We're going the opposite direction this week. And we'll go another direction the next month. So these are some of the options we're thinking about. Predator. Ooh.

Escape from New York. Deer Hunter. Do you know Deer Hunter? Don't know Deer Hunter. I think Deer Hunter was actually filmed at least in part in Cleveland. Great movie. Great movie. Cliffhanger. Ooh. Sylvester Stallone. Yeah.

Famously parodied by Ace Ventura. Deer Hunter? No. Fight Club. Fight Club, yep. Classic. Fight Club is- Haven't seen that one in a while. Fight Club's long. It's a long movie. It is. It is very good. Definitely not Fight Club is- I haven't seen that one in a while. Fight Club's long. It's a long movie.

It is. It is very good. Definitely not a Christmas movie. I saw a lot of people saying that nonsense. It is not a Christmas movie. It does not have a Christmas spirit. You're not gonna buy it. You're not gonna get into that.

Just because it's locationally and timely happening in Christmas is not a Christmas movie. Commando. Maybe the best one-liner movie of all time. Seriously, fantastic. This is one that I'm just going to say right now. This one is in the multiple choice. Regardless of what they...

This movie that I'm about to say is in the vote, no questions asked, because I don't know of any movie that represents kind of what I'm looking for more than this. Bloodsport. Jean-Claude Van Damme. Damn, man. Yeah, baby. What's it? Randy Jackson? What's the sidekick's name? I think it's Randy Jackson, right? I have no idea. Randy something? I remember like the premise of Bloodsport. The fact that you remember this type of shit in movies is the best. The fact that you remember this type of shit in movies is the best. Ray Jackson, Ray Jackson. Yeah, we got Dirty Harry maybe, Goodfellas, Goodfellas is here. Damn, I was rocking a Goodfellas shirt on here.

It's a good one. Scarface, Say Hello to My Little Friend, Rambo, Gladiator. And there's a sequel coming out, right? Denzel's in it. You heard about this? I have no idea. Oh, no, no, no. Yeah, I do. Gladiator, yeah. I thought we were still talking about Rambo. Gladiator is, yeah. No, I was a part of the commercial that was helping promote that thing. Roadhouse was also another recommend. I mean, Roadhouse. Dude, Roadhouse.

You gotta go original. We're not going with the new one. I mean, no, you gotta go original. The original Roadhouse is a fucking. Dude. You gotta go original. We're not going with the new one. No, you gotta go original. The original Rota House is a fucking... Dude. It's so good. So good. The throat punch. It comes out of nowhere.

Oh my gosh. It starts with a... That movie starts the most normal way possible. It starts and it's like, okay, this is kind of a cool movie. He's gonna come help out this bar that needs to be reshaped and everything. And then it turns into like, he rips a guy's throat out of his like esophagus. And then like, and then they ended at a house and like everybody just takes turns shooting a dead guy with a shotgun over and over again.

It's so ridiculous. But these are the kind of movies we're talking about. This is what we're talking about. We don't want it to make a lot of sense. We just want it to be just pure adrenaline. We just want it to be fucking pure adrenaline. I want to see someone's throat. All right. So what movies represent? What movies represent the pure adrenaline? I think we put Predator in there. I'm going to say Gladiator just because I want to watch the first one before I see the second one. I feel like Gladiator is like an actually good film. Like there's like ups and downs

and like feelings, you know what I mean? There's no feelings in Predator. There's feelings in Roadhouse. Are you kidding me? Well maybe Roadhouse shouldn't be in. I don't know. I'm just saying. It's ridiculous. No. Feelings. There's feelings in all of these. I feel like Gladiator is different than a lot of these movies that we're talking about. Except for Bloodsport. Bloodsport might be the only one where there's not feelings.

I think Bloodsport's got to be it. And Goodfellas. Goodfellas, there's no feelings in Goodfellas. Cuma te, Cuma te. Fine, okay. We got Predator and Bloodsport are in. What are the other two? I say Gladiator just because I want to see it. Um, let's go Fight Club. Fight Club is a good one. I want to, I want to rewatch Fight Club. I haven't seen that one in a while. All right. Fight Club put it on there. He's pissed.

I mean Fight Club really isn't in the same genre either. It's too good. It's too good of a film. Like we need. It's too good of a film. What are we trying to watch here? I'm thinking of those like eighties, nineties action movies that are like, you know, commando, like commandos, just like roadhouse is not a good movie. Roadhouse is not, you're right. No, it's fantastic. It's like these movies that like aren't, it's so, you know what I'm talking about? I don't know how to describe it.

That's why Roadhouse should be in it. All right, Roadhouse is in. All right, Fight Club's out, Roadhouse is in. I want to put Commando in. Should we have two Arnold movies in there? I mean, that's the dude of all dudes. We're missing like a Sylvester, like Rambo, do we need Sly to have like a presence in this movie?

It's only fair. In this like genre. It's only fair. Cliffhanger, gosh, what's Cobra? I have no idea. I've never heard of that movie. Just looking at these pictures is hilarious. All right, Cobra's in.

I've never seen it. It might be fun to watch a movie you've never seen before. All right, take Roadhouse out, put Cobra in. Wait, so wait, Roadhouse is I thought we were done. Is this it? What do you think is more of that genre? Fight Club or Roadhouse? I think Fight Club is. No, Fight Club is very like it's like there's like symbolism and like like Fight Club's way too like good of a cinematic film.

I feel like they're like trying to make a statement. Cobra's out, Commandos in. Cobra's out, Commandos in. All right. Yeah, let's keep this thing moving. All right. That's our final four. We're going to put that up to a fan vote. The final four will be Predator, Bloodsport, Roadhouse and Commando. Nice. Which either any of those four movies will be fantastic. And we look forward to seeing which movie you guys want to watch of those four.

Fantastic might be a stretch. I think it's exactly what we're looking for, but Fantastic might be a stretch. Oh no, there's no stretch about it. Dude. All righty. If you want to get access to all of our bonus content, make sure you sign up for Wondery Plus. And great news, 92%ers. Great news. This Friday, November 8th, we're going to be dropping an incredible episode

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Jason, you met up with our friend, Pat McAfee in old Happy Valley as the Penn State Nitty Lions were hosting the Ohio State Buckeyes. We've been to a few Buckeyes games, getting recruited up in the good old state of Ohio, but you were there to raise some money. I was. Yep. For hurricane victims, for... Listen, yeah, Pat's incredible, man. He's awesome, man, isn't he? He's the best and you know, he's turned this whole kicking thing in on game day to the charitable component and they're raising a lot of money for hurricane relief.

It's awesome man. Yeah, I don't know. It's just an awesome way to take an event that's already fun and has a bunch of support around it and use that in a way that helps a community that's in need right now. So yeah, for those of you that aren't aware, I did not help. I missed horrendously. Boom! Dude, that was a fucking missile. I mean.

Dude, I mean, that's good from like 60 yards. You fucking booted that thing. The slope. You can see the slope. Yeah, well, Jason, you're a man of, you know, that's good from like 60 yards. You fucking booted that thing. You can see the slope. Yeah, well, Jason, you're a man of, you know, you understand angles. This is why you played hockey. This is why you played lacrosse. You are very good at understanding these things. You're a competitive guy. Look at him trying to.

He's going to size this one up. Oh, gosh, I want to see where it went wrong. I haven't watched the tape yet. You haven't watched this. You can take this one way too toe heavy on your, you got to get more square down that thing, man. I was trying to catch it at the angle because I wanted to hit it to the right. No. I stepped too close to it. Step too close to it.

Yeah. This guy fucking sucks. It was the fucking best dude. Him saying this guy sucks. God damn it man. There's that tree all the way to the left about a mile, about as far left as you were to the goalpost. That's how far left you kicked it. I mean, it was almost, it was almost directly left. This, this picture, you gotta put up the picture. The tree, the tree is literally fucking 50 yards to the left. I mean, that is nuts.

It's listen, I apparently I kick field goals the way I hit a golf ball. So nice. Very nice. Just a bit outside. Yeah, no, I think I think from one special teams guy to another, because we are teamers, you didn't do me proud, Jason. I thought you were gonna fucking nail this, man. Yeah, no, I'm aware.

Listen, I can put some practice in to make it. I just. You too, I mean, yeah. In the spirit of competition, I didn't wanna do that. I could have went up to the Cleveland Guardians, home opener and fucking threw a strike if I really practiced. Yeah. Or just wear footwear that didn't slide when you were on a mat. Or just actually warmed up.

I did warm up. You see this picture right here. I did warm up. I'm stretching. I made sure that it was nice and loose. I did not want to tear a hip flexor doing this. And I will say- Were you a little sore? Dr. Glenn My knee is sore after I tried it. I definitely hyper extended it a little bit. Marshall S. You can't. You got to keep those quads fucking, yeah. Dr. Glenn Well, you got to kick through it. Marshall S. What was Kylie's advice?

Dr. Glenn Kylie didn't give me any advice. She was zero help in this endeavor. Marshall S. She said maybe you should have worn tight pants. Dr. Glenn Oh, yeah, she did say that. And of course, in reference to my advice to you know. Show the bulge. Listen, sometimes it works. Oh yeah, sometimes it doesn't. Shout out to Kylie for listening to our 100 plus exclusive episode where we gave great advice for people in marriage trying to rekindle

that flame. Yeah, baby. Well, even though Jason missed the field goal, there was still a ton of money donated to the Hurricane Relief Fund. That's right. Souls for souls. Got to love it, man. Pat tweeted out, we still donated two hundred thousand to

Hurricane relief, as will Timberland and Vans. That's unbelievable. Hashtag Kick it Forward. I suck at kicking is what Jason was in quotes saying. And yes, you do. You do. That was atrocious. I thought you were going to do way better than that. But thank you, Captain Obvious. All right. Now, we also asked. We also asked you guys to send us your field goal kicks

with the hashtag kick it forward and you delivered. Hey, maybe the most impressive came from eight year old 92% or trick shot Jake on Jake. Is this from jet Jake? I'll see it. Oh, are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? Jason, he's already better than me. 10 times better than you.

You can't even check it out. I see it. Oh! Are you kidding me? Right through, are you kidding me? Jason. He's already better than me. 10 times better than you. Gosh, full gun, Jake. You can't even do that with football. I don't know that I can, you're right. My wrists are destroyed from playing football.

My elbow hurts. I heard my wrist doing that right there. Right? Fuck. Ah, you know, getting old out here. Well, that was an awesome trick shot, Jake. Who knows, man, maybe if Jason works hard enough, he can be as good as you one day.

Shout out once again to our friends at Timberland Advanced for making this possible. And if you guys want to help spread the word on this incredible charity, send us your videos at kicking and some Tims or Vans and a hashtag kick it forward. And our friends at Vans and hashtag kick it forward and our friends at Vans and Timberland will keep on donating. Awesome stuff. All right and Trav got out of the house

this weekend. You headed out to Indianapolis for the Heiress Tour. I did man. I wanted to see Tay one more time before this thing got closed up and I'll tell you what man the the American crowds they did not disappoint. I heard that it was a lot more rowdy this time around, knowing she was coming back to stop through America one last time before the tour was over with. And I'll tell you what, man, that thing was rocking. Yeah, buddy. Absolutely rocking. If you don't believe me, Pat McAfee had one of the greatest

tour or show reviews that I've ever seen. So check out. I'm sure you can go on Pat Mac, if you show on, on YouTube and check that out. But yeah, it was fun. Saw Caitlin Clark there. Got to meet Caitlin. She's awesome. She loves being out there in Indianapolis as it's a fun city. And we're both just true Midwesterners to the heart, you know, played, uh, high school ball, college ball, pro ball, all out in the Midwest and it was cool catching up with her. Yeah, were her dance moves as good as her free throws?

Jump shot? Jump shot? No, she was into the show for sure. She was there with her mom and a few friends she had been to. I think this is like her third or fourth show she had been to. She's a Swifty through and through man. Yeah. Loves the show.

I went to night two, she had already been to night one. And you know, it's, I think she's just having fun going up to the shows and taking her friends and family and getting everybody to experience Tay up there on stage, making the entire 69,000, 70,000 people go fucking nuts for three and a half hours, four hours. Well, yeah, it's a good place to go if you're looking to have fun. That's for the answer. That's the truth. All right, the NFL season is in full swing and that's why we need to tell you about our special hookup. That's right, from today's sponsor, Seeky.

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Monday night. Yeah. Overtime game. Who doesn't love free football in Arrowhead? How about that? Pat, 34 for 44 for 291, three touchdowns, zero interceptions. God damn it, man. Trav, you had a Monday night football record.

That's right, you tied a Monday night football record with 14 catches, that's a lot of catches. Woo, tied a couple of cups and Jay Rice. I could have fucking. Did you drop a pass? I could have had more. Did I? I don't remember that.

Yeah, I did. It was bad. It was right after I fumbled the ball. Yeah, how'd you guys feel offensively? It felt like you guys moved the ball pretty well for the majority of the game, but. We kicked ourselves in the foot in the first half myself personally did not play great both pass game run game I know I came up big on a few a few plays here and there on that first drive

But after that, I just wasn't happy with my performance even watching it today It's just I got to be better out the gate for my guys and especially, you know a team like the team like the Bucs who they the gate for my guys and especially, you know, a team like the team, like the Bucks, who they you give them confidence that they can, they can hang in there with you. Not that they didn't already need it. You know, I mean, that team has some dudes that can fucking play the game. They got great coaches. They're offensive and defensive line, man, those dudes, they got big dudes out there moving, moving the pile. And everybody seems like they're in tune with the game plan. So that was not an easy win by any means, obviously going into OT.

And I got a lot of respect for those guys. And when Baker gets gets hot, man, he is fun to watch, man. I'm sitting there on the on the sideline like, man, I do not like this feeling in my stomach watching that last drive in the fourth quarter. But I'm happy they went for the field goal. So it gave us a chance to get the offense back out there on the field and in OT, man. Yeah, but talking about the extra point. Yeah, at the end of the day, man, Chiefs just finding a way to win ball games, baby. At the, you know, the offense, we put together a great drive there in OT that we could really hang our hat on in terms of the game and move forward and feel like we finished the game

the right way. And a lot of that goes to Coach Reed and a lot of that goes to Pap Holmes playing his ass off. And a lot goes out on offensive line for moving the fucking ball, man. Hopkins had his first home game, that's right. Hopkins made his Arrowhead debut. What a night to had his first home game. That's right. Yeah made his arrowhead debut What a night to have your first ever game. That thing was rocking man. Not a disappointment that game was

Who was calling it a heist all night long? Hopkins had eight catches for 86 yards and two touchdowns, including this catch and triple coverage. Show this real quick. How about it, man? This is an impressive throw, man. Somebody right up in your face and he patches lobs it up there. Find a way to get it to him, man.

Impressive catch. Gets it down there inside the five. You guys ended up punching it in. Yeah. How is it so far going on the chemistry with Hopkins? What is the smoothest transition I've ever seen into the building around for a bit? He knows he understands. And he's been he's been on a few different.

He's been in a few different organizations. You know? Yeah. So it's like he understands how to how to mix that chemistry. He understands how to how to incorporate himself and be himself in a new in a new building. You know? And it's just been so fucking cool just to have him. We came in the same year, 2013 draft class. I've seen his success from a distance.

And to see him come into the building and notice what kind of professional he is, how communicated he is, or how he communicates in the building. You know, how he talks ball. It's just, it's fun to have him around and it's just, it's given everybody kind of a juice and a morale of like confidence and I call them swag champs, man. When you get a swag champ like D-hop or somebody that comes in, they just, you know, just how they carry themselves boosts the morale and the confidence of everybody around them. And you can't teach that type of type of shit. You either got it or you don't, man. And D hop is 100% given us that. And it showed on Monday night, man, we don't win that game without them. In line Hopkins on the catch in triple coverage, Pat and I were just out there

making a play. And that is the truth. They had the first initial route covered and I might have run the wrong route at first, but that was just working with me and Scramwood. I might have ran it. I might not have been doing the right thing, but we figured it out. We're on the same page. It's funny. So now we got multiple people just doing whatever. I'll tell you what, man.

Defense is just, you got to be on your toes. I'll tell you what man, defense is just, you gotta be on your toes. What is this concept? Yeah, who knows. Good luck. After this touchdown in the second quarter, he hit us with the, remember the Titan celebration. Let's check this one out. Oh yeah.

Who? Was this planned? Yeah. Who? Ah. Ah. Ah. Ah.

Oh. Oh. Oh. That's his sweet, I love when you get the whole line involved man. Oh, ah, ah, ah, ah, oh. Oh. That shit's sweet. I love when you get the whole line involved, man, fuck. So was this something you guys planned out beforehand? You guys talked about this. Yeah, well, I mean, he has nothing but respect for the Titans, man.

And when he was in Tennessee, man, he said he respected everybody there, and it was what it was. He wouldn't be here without them. So he was showing it in terms of like a celebration for him. And he said the same thing on Twitter. He said it was a shout to Tennessee. If you know me, you know it's nothing but love for Nashville.

Rand and his crew are like family. Without them, I wouldn't be here. Yeah. Let's talk a little bit about the Chiefs offense and maybe just start calling it the Clutch offense. That's right. Per our friend, Jeff Schwartz. the clutch offense. That's right. Per our friend Jeff Schwartz.

Swartzy. That's right. After the Chiefs came back from down 17-10, the third to take the lead, he tweeted, I will tap the sign again. When the Chiefs best is needed, they play their best. Last two drives, 12 plays, 70 yards, took off six minutes and 36 second drive that ended in a touchdown. Then they had a 15 play drive that was 75 yards and eight minutes and 26 yards, or eight minutes and 26. I don't know why I can't fucking say this. It was a six minute drive and an eight minute drive. 12 play, 70 yard, six minute drive.

Then they had a 15 play play 75 yard, eight minute drive, both of which resulted in a touchdown. There we go. How true is this statement? I feel like we're always out there trying to play our best, right. But at the same time, you know, you get put in like, gotta have it situations. And I think, I think we rally together when I do, I honestly believe that. I think, I think you just kind of feel the intensity rise. You feel you have to be at your best. You start to focusareem Hunt, how he's fucking running right now and the intensity and the energy that he has. When he gets a big gain, how fast he gets up and how much excitement he gets with that.

Stuff like that goes so far in terms of the momentum and the beast that you got to feel like you are at your best in moments like that. And I really think that it's just, it's a culture that's set here and it's how the coaches prepare us. It's how we prepared with each other throughout the week. And it's an understanding of the game plan and what the other team's doing that all has to be, you know, we all have to be on the same page in terms of that. And when we need it the most, I think that's when we all kind of come together and, and show that.

No, and it happens week in week out. It's so impressive the consistency at which you guys do this thing, right? Yeah. And especially at the end of games, it just feels like it always goes your way. Scott Peltz said something to me, he's like, you know, and he learned it from somebody else, but you have to learn how to win. And you guys have clearly learned how to win. Despite any type of way the game goes, it finds like you guys always somehow just know what to do to make it right.

And that brings up this quote from Andy Reid in 2022, the unofficial team motto, when it's grim, be the grim reaper. Yeah. How about that? Yeah. Alrighty, overtime, final two minutes of regulation. Baker Mayfield leads the Bucks on a touchdown drive with 27 seconds left in the clock. Todd Bowles elects to kick the P. A. T. Instead of going for two. Is

that the right call? Which would you have done? I would say this. Yeah, obviously. Coach Bowles. I told him afterward, man. It is a fucking honor. honor to go up and try and beat your football team every single time because goddamn, you guys are always prepared. You always have a great understanding and you guys always mold the defense based off of which opponent you play. So you can't really get a lot of like, I don't know, scheme up against you. You just got to kind of go out there and be at your best. For sure. And man, I'll tell you what, I just think when you're in an away team, when you're at an away stadium, I feel like you go for it. I think at home, you got home field advantage. You got a lot

of the energy. You just had a long drive, momentum's on your side. Yeah. And try and end it right there instead of, and especially with the overtime rules in the regular season where you're not guaranteed a possession if the other team scores a touchdown. You just know you you don't know whether or not you're going to get that ball back. I kind of agree with you but I'll kind of back Todd up a little bit. I've been a part of this before we scored Dougie P's first year we're in Baltimore. We have a great late minute drive and we elect to go for two to end the game. Yeah. And yeah, we definitely got a blood zero and we did not connect and the game was over and we lost.

So it's one of those decisions like, you know, it's 50-50. I think with Pat there in arrowhead, let's just try and get it done. Let's not even give them a chance to get the ball back and really make something happen. But I kind of see both sides of it. Chiefs win in OT, obviously. The coin toss goes the Chief's way and the Bucks never touch the ball again. Look at Baker's head the moment he knew the game. He knew. Play his ass off. I don't know. I think it's just the, ah, damn. Because you get the pig heads or tails. It's such a fucking silly. I think it's such a wild like scenario to like put it into a coin flip on whose who gets the ball. I think it's great. How would you?

I love it. I just think it's just so wild that that's what it comes down to. Well, you still have to drive the full length. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it's such an advantage to get the ball first. And I think that's what he's like, oh, they got the advantage. I don't think he's like, oh, that's the game. You know, I don't think Baker's thinking that. Dude, so I'll say this. I don't even know if I want to share this. So, yeah, I don't know if I want to say this. So yeah, you're a tales guy. I'm, yeah, I'll tell you after my career what I am. Fine.

All right. Oh, you always pick the opposite one of whatever is on his face up? No. No. I just have a strategy of like, I don't know. You don't have any strategy. I do. I do.

And it's so dumb to try and have a strategy on coin flipping. My strategy worked. Kareem Hunt finished with 27 carries, 106 in a touchdown. He also was the one to punch it in from the two yard line for the game winner in overtime. Game winner, baby. How about that? Coming off the street, little Cleveland native guy getting

Come on, baby. Involved. The bulk of Hunt's carries came in the second half. The Chiefs, Montgomery and Pound team, we talked about it a little bit on the desk. You guys are running the ball. Well, I don't know. I guess it probably still rings true from this game. Over 40% of the offensive plays have been run calls, which is the highest in Pat's career. I don't know if that's, I don't know if that's that is exclusively first, second down, like run situation or if that's like a generic, but either way, you guys are running more than ever since Pat Mahone has been the quarterback for the

Kansas city chiefs. Yeah. I think it's probably multifaceted, right? Where one, you guys have a great offensive line and you're having a lot of success, so you're going to keep doing it. Uh, but then two, the way defenses are playing this year, we've talked about it, like run yardages up across the league. And this is just a mark of a great coach who's taking these like, hey, listen, teams are playing these soft coverages, keep everything in front of it.

So we're going to freaking get after it and take what they're giving us. Is that fair to say? I think it's every team is different, right? Every team is different. Their mold is different. Their weapons are different. Right now, our offensive line is, every team is different, right? Every team is different. Their mold is different. Their weapons are different. Right now our offensive line is, they're moving the pile, man. Yeah. And our offensive run coordinator, coach Andy Heck, he has been dialing those things up and figuring out the best situation, the best runs to, you know, put our guys in the

best situation out there on the field. And that's including, you know, the tight ends that's including the, you know, put our guys in the best situation out there on the field. And that's including, you know, the tight ends. That's including the, you know, the interior three that we got, the big, the three headed monster we got in big Tooney Creed and Trey Smith. And, um, you add Juanye Morris in there, who's been blocking his ass off, uh, since he's been given the start. And on top of that, you know, uh, Joanne Taylor has been playing his tail off these past two, three weeks, man. And, um, I think our offensive line is, is one of our best weapons, if not our best weapon

right now. I mean, obviously having Kareem Hunt and uh, and D Hop come in and kind of steal the show and then come up big for us. I mean, that's huge as well, but at the same time, you know, our offensive line is playing their ass off. Yes, they are. And uh, you want to always give Pat Mahomes the fucking ball. He's the best player in the National Football League.

Giving him the ball and letting him dissect the defense, giving him more than one option, I think that is a great situation to put your football team in. But sometimes just handing that thing off to a hungry dog, man. Handing that thing off to Kareem Hunt or a Carson Steele and get them boys rolling downhill.

Yeah, baby. That's a great fucking situation to have us in as well. And sure enough, we're just we're finding ways to get the ball downfield. And you already mentioned that a few big time long drives. I think we had a 19 play long drive last week. We had two over 15 this this week and ending them with touchdowns is so it's so fucking big and demoralizing for a defense to tax them and put that much strain on them.

It just makes it easier for everything else in the offense when you get that run game going, man. No doubt. Well, let's get to the LeBron stat of the game. Travis Kelsey is the first 35 plus year old with 14 plus catches in a game at any position. That's right. That is a great stat. I could have been the first 35 year old to have 15

if I didn't drop the fucking ball. Well, stats are for nerds, but Travis had 28 catches in the first six games and 24 in the last two. What's caused the big Yeti Renaissance midseason here? I don't know. I think we're just playing fucking ball and Pat's been finding me. I've been finding open voids and Pat's been trusting it and we've just been on the same

page, man. I think, I didn't think we were ever off of the same page. I think Pat's just fucking throw me the ball now. Doesn't feel like it's in Pat's head either because he was asked about it after the game. He's asked about the 14 catches. He said, I didn't even realize he had that many catches. So it sounds like everybody's just out there playing.

We're just out there fucking trying to get the ball down the fucking field. He also said that he could have sworn you've had a game with like 16 receptions. Have I? No, I don't think so. Was that my... According to the record books, but...

Was that 14 the most I ever had? I believe so. Nice. All right, another stat with his touchdown catch from the homes. DeAndre Hopkins has now caught a touchdown pass from 14 different players. God damn! Yeah, how about that? Holy shit.

Week nine next week, the Chiefs are home against the Broncos. Division rival, baby. Yeah, man, Broncos have been looking a lot better than they have the last couple years. Their defense has been pretty dang good. Pretty damn good. They got a fucking damn good defense.

They do. Struggled against Baltimore, which is pretty common because Baltimore is really fucking good. Yeah. But I would not count on that happening two weeks in a row. These guys are, they are physical, man. They play well on defense. No, we're going to be in a fight with these guys. Yeah. 100%. Coach Payton's got them, got those guys over there fucking playing with some heart, man and and obviously it being a division rival and Broncos chiefs I mean they're getting any bigger of a rivalry than that and it's gonna be a it's gonna be a tough one I mean it's at Arrowhead but it's gonna be a tough one man.

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We'll start with the birds, baby. Oh, Eagles, 28, Jag Jags 23. Kind of I don't want to see what is it? Was it a nail biter? It was I mean, it's kind of nail biter score shows it. Jason initial thoughts on the game? Yeah. I think the score doesn't really accurately reflect the Eagles had like 450 yards. Jesus. Yeah, they they put up a lot of yards. Lane Johnson had this quote after the game, it should have been a 40 point game. It was one of those games where the real thing that kind of like stalled them out a little

bit was throughout the last two seasons, if it's ever fourth and one, we just go for it because the tush push happens at such a high rate, right? Yeah. And it just so happened there were like multiple points in this game where we were in fourth and one situations. And I don't know what Jacksonville was doing. I haven't like really narrowed in on it yet, but they kind of stalled out the tush push, which has not happened. They did two fourth down, they did two two-point conversions that didn't work out. That left points off the board. There was a third down, a fourth down, one that they tried another play on because they

were struggling to run the tushbush in the red zone. All these things kind of, I think, threw them off their game a little bit, to be quite frank, and messed with something that's worked for a long time with them. Yeah, I like it. But, and also, Saquon had a fumble, unfortunately, that was kind of, it was a fluke. I don't know if you saw that. He got touched, but they said that the touch wasn't what caused him to fall, even though the touch clearly caused him to lose his footing and then he fell and he fumbled, like the ground caused it. And they picked it up for six. The Eagles,

in my opinion right now, are playing actually really good football. That's what matters to me. D- They are fucking playing good football, no doubt. P- They've gotten back to playing, their defense is playing very well. Offensively, they look much more in sync and balanced. Jaylen is playing really well. He's taking care of the football. The Eagles have really rebounded from a couple bad losses from earlier in the season, have made the corrections, and I think they've done some really cool things, or some really good things as of late. I think the more important thing is, it's not maybe the best hurdle I've ever seen. I don't even know how he, like where do you even do this from? You just,

you just play ball man, your instincts, your instincts take over. No, I think he was like, okay, the only way to get around this guy is to go over him right now. Spin. That spin was insane. But like. That spin was insane. The guy was standing. If the play would have ended after the spin, we would still be sitting here like, bro,

that was a crazy fuck. And then he did even more of the unthinkable and just said, fuck it. I'm going to fucking do some like ballet shit and just fucking the Saquon plie. Yeah. That was a very nice. I think, I mean, that's up there with play of the year. There was a, there was some really good plays from this past week, but I don't know that I'm given anything more than this. This is insane. Three. I mean, three. You make three guys miss on one play. It's fucking electric. With a backwards hurdle? Yeah. Dude, if you get clipped there,

you're going backwards ass over teakettle. That's kind of dangerous. I hope he doesn't do this too much. Especially with big 93 and fucking 52 closing in on you. Right. Saquon finished the game with 199 scrimmagears, one touchdown. God damn this dude is fucking balling right now, man. Holy shit. Dude is killing it. We also got an awesome clip of the bench reaction to the hurdle. Let's take a look at our guys. genuinely shocked at how good you are. Everybody's like, Oh, look at my red Reed Blanket ships. Yeah. Home Alone face.

He's just, he wouldn't we call it. That's good shit. That's so good. Nick Sirianni said it was the best play I've ever seen. What I think is so cool is there's going to be kids all over the country and all over Philadelphia trying to make that play and talking about that play and simulating that play as they play in backyard football or peewee football. Kids do not fucking do that.

Yeah, please do not try and hurt other people backwards. Do not do that, that is the fastest way to break your neck. Football is not meant to be played in the air. I promise you that. Let's just take one Barclay and then you can do it. Unless you're an incredible athlete. If your athleticism is far more superior than everybody else's on the field,

do whatever the fuck you want. But outside of that, that is a safety hazard. You do not want to go into a game leaving the ground. I've landed on my head too many times and, uh, we advise kids not to try and make this play at home. Yeah. But, uh, if you do it, fucking send it. Don't fucking be timid. Don't timidly. You gotta fucking go for it. Yeah.

Yeah, either way, I don't know what I'm saying. Do it, do it kids, dream big. Shit. Just do it, do it. Just don't tell your mom I told you to do it. All right, Sequon was asked about the play and he said, I just, I kinda just played football. And that's the-

Sounds like the typical blackout language. I just do, I, like I just do. I just play. I just play ball. Devante Smith. We got to shout out another incredible play. Skinny Batman with an insane one handed touchdown catch in the fourth quarter. And this dude is fucking playing his mind out as well. I mean, the whole offense is really clicking right now, man. It's fun to watch the offensive lines.

Oh, my God, that was a dime to show. Do these guys are fucking playing. It's fun to watch the offensive lines. Oh my fucking God. That was a dime to show. Dude, these guys are fucking playing. It's exciting. Everybody seems to be fucking pumped for everybody. It looks like you guys just got the morale going right now in the Kelly Green. Oh, man. How to look at Kelly Green. And it was a third and 22. It was insane.

And we're watching it. And when he connected, I thought he was out of bounds because that knee touches down out of bounds. And I'm watching it with Kylie when he connected, I thought he was out of bounds because that knee touches down out of bounds. And I'm watching with Kylie and I was like, no, no, no, nobody's better around the sideline than Devontae. Look at his toes. And his toes get down. Dude, there's something about Devontae around the sideline. He has the freaking most unreal knack for getting his toes down.

He's gonna make sure he's in bounds now. Watch left, right. He's gonna make sure he's gonna make sure he's in bounds now. Watch, left, right. He's gonna make sure. He's gonna make sure he's in bounds now. Right before that right knee touches. So impressive. That's a skill, man. That is a fucking skill.

To have the awareness of where you are and to have the body control, you gotta have a strong ass fucking core to be doing shit like this, I promise you. No doubt, no doubt. Smitty is not underrated by any means. The guy, everybody knows he's a fucking baller. But I guess AJ Brown being the big bad wolf that he is, man, it kind of takes a lot

of the shine away from him. But this dude, he has been made he has been making plays and breaking dudes off and routes since he was in college. And he is a he's a game time player. He's a ball player. He loves this shit. He's unreal. You can see how he how he gets excited after a big catch. You can see how he his determination is focused when he's running routes. This guy is a ball player, man. And, you know, sometimes the biggest dude on the field, you know, the guy like A.J. Brown is like just a gilk.

He looks like Batman, like a juggernaut. Yeah. You know, that guy is going to get a lot of attention to it. That takes nothing away from how guys in the league at least look at Smitty. Don't disagree with that one bit. Nicoby Dean. Getting getting the interception, man. Nicoby Dean had an incredible had incredible timing for his first ever interceptions with a minute 42 left in the game.

Eagles up five in the Jags had the ball on the 13 yard line. Dean picks off Trevor Lawrence in the end zone. How about that, man? You got to love a fucking big defensive stand. Let's check this out. Ooh, how about that? Just thrown just a little high and Dean was in the right place at the right time. Just made a fucking hell of a play on the ball. Got to love it, man. I want to know what kind of, I don't really know

what route and what- I think he's trying to run like a weird route. I was going to say too, it's like a weird, like they motion them out and I don't know if the snap point was late. You know what I mean? Sometimes when you're silent, because I think they're clearly trying to get N'Kobe caught up on the guy running his route in front of the running back. You know what I mean? So I think the snap probably should have happened earlier and sometimes when you're on silent because of the way it happens, it just doesn't happen with the right timing. I mean Trevor Lawrence is just putting a ball up to his guy hoping he can make a one-on-one play on it and Nicoby had different intentions.

Right, yeah. Nicoby made a great play. Yeah, he just, it is what it is. He made a great play on the fucking ball, man. In the most crucial moment. Yeah, when the birds needed him the most, man. Of the three biggest plays of the game that we just talked about,

which one do you think the Philly fans are remembering the most? I mean, come on, it's the Sequa. Come on now. Nobody's ever fucking seen somebody hurtle somebody like that. Yeah. Yeah, shout out to Sequon. LeBron stats of the game through eight games.

Sequon Barkley is the third eagle to reach 1,000 yards in eight games. Joining Lashon McCoy, did it twice in 2011, 2013. And Brian Westbrook, 2007. The fans, god damn, the Byok 2007 the fan damn the birds fans are The Eagles fans are so lucky to have guys like you guys got some fucking Historically good running backs for shock Ryan Westbrook Lashon McCoy say quad Barkley Just using those quads to jump over everyone for

fucking matter Saquon Barkley's Watch this one fucking matter Saquon Barclays 443 rushing yards over the past three games are the most for an Eagles player in any three game stretch in the history of the Eagles Organization, how about that? That is a LeBron stat if I've ever heard one has been Ballin nice is is Saquon already on the Eagles running back my rush more Just just not just eight games into the season. I'm trying to think of who's up there right now. So, Brian Westbrook,

LeShaw McCoy, Brian Westbrook, I think you probably Steve Van Buren, I think was a running back. You know, listen, he played in a different era but... You said yes without even saying yes. Yeah. a different era but... You said yes without even saying yes. Yeah. Next week, the Eagles are away. They're going down to Dallas playing the Cowboys who have been struggling a little bit. They just announced that Dak Prescott is out for multiple weeks with a hamstring injury

unfortunately. Will they go Cooper Rush or Trailance? Cowboys are coming off their third straight loss and the Eagles have not won in Dallas since, as you know, Jason, 2017. They got Coupa Rush back there taking snaps. Yeah. Dallas has been a very difficult place to play. For some reason, they're not playing very good at home this year. Like last year, they didn't lose a single regular season game at home. They've had some great home field advantage and they've struggled for some reason this year. Like last year, they didn't lose a single regular season game at home. They've had some great home field advantage and they've struggled for some reason this season. It's still the Cowboys. They're going to get Micah back this week probably. I know their defense

has been struggling. Micah is a difference maker to the Max. So, listen, I know they're not playing very well. I think they just traded for... Who did they just trade for today? They just traded for Mingo. So, end of division games are always tough. In Dallas, we have struggled as of late. It would be awesome for the Eagles to finally get their first win since 2017 in Dallas. I know they're not playing great right now, but they're going to be fired and hungry. So, hopefully the Eagles can take care of business. All right, week nine. Is week nine too early to fire a coach? Apparently not for the Saints. They're losing seven games straight. It's just been a wild ride for the Saints. They blow teams out the first two games. It has been a rough stretch for the Saints ever since. Saints lose

to the Panthers making it seven straight. And on Monday, they announced their parting ways with coach Dennis Allen. The firing comes after the team had a lot to say on social media. To the entire team. It started to spill in their feelings, man. Cam Jordan, my guy tweeted out, we just lost to the Panthers dot dot dot. I love y'all New Orleans truly had higher expectations and the best of hopes for us. Y'all deserve it. Yeah, that's I mean, it's tough and it's losing fucking sucks man. St. Binks Saunders, Colin Saunders fans say keep losing so we can

get number one pick. Hell throw me in a QB shit. Let's have something fun to watch. His next one, he said, if that was a college ball game, that motherfucker would have been called the cotton held do do bowl. Not the cotton held do do bowl. You might be honest. Maybe this should start. Maybe cotton should get in on Hill doo doo bowl. Shake my hand. You might be honest though, maybe this should start. Maybe Cotton Hill should get in on this doo doo bowl. Everybody else is in the bowl game landscape. Ah, fuck.

Man, should the Panthers be offended by all this? I love this. I mean, listen, I was just talking trash on the Panthers. I wasn't even talking trash. I was just like, man, it sucks to be at this point in the season and just like zero hope. J.C. Horne had a good comment from the Panthers DB. Don't we got the same record or am I tripping? You do. You do have the same record. Also, should we get behind Colin playing QB? I mean, fuck the way he ran back that the interception when we played him on Monday night. I'm behind Colin getting any more game time and airtime as possible. Is that dude is freaking hilarious?

He is. He's fun as hell to watch with the ball in his hands. Fuck. Are players openly tweeting like this always going to be the end of like a coach's tenure? I don't know if it's always I mean, tweets. It's really just like when you clearly see that like the team is just like lost. They're like any type of like, this definitely does not help. Yeah, like it doesn't have to come in the form of tweets. Sometimes it's in the building.

But like, you know, once the team is kind of like, we suck, like we kind of saw it low key. There was a clip from Dak Prescott last week, bro. He could have been talking about anybody though. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. You could have been talking about the fucking Mississippi. He could have been talking about, you know, his high school team. Well, you never know what that convo is about. Yeah. Either way. Or he's talking about the Cowboys.

Dude. But yeah, not a, not a good look. In some ways I kind of feel bad for it. Like they've had a lot of injuries up front on their offensive line. That is that is hindered them. They've had their defense align. They've had a lot of guys leave over the last few years, like like their personnel and the cap situation. And I think Dennis Allen is a good defensive coach.

But clearly it just wasn't going the right way. And it's when it's starting to go the other way This is kind of what happens is a results-based league and yeah, anyways, I'm sure he'll land on his feet He's a good coach. It's tough. I think it'd be the end for him And hopefully we get a bunch of great content from the Saints players the rest of the season Sir, Becky maw st. Biggie maws keep sending us the good stuff. Does the NFL have a quarterback development problem? Coming off of the news of the Colts benching Anthony Richardson, Greg Olson was on the Ryan Rosillo podcast this week.

Shout out to Rosillo. Yeah. Shout out to Rosillo and said, in quotes, there's no doubt we have a quarterback problem in the NFL. I think a lot of it is manmade. Asking your quarterback to stand in the shotgun, catch the ball and throw the ball every down is virtually impossible in today's day and age. These guys don't learn to get under center. I hear what Olson's saying. We were talking about earlier, Tom Brady said something very similar.

Yes. How the quarterbacks aren't developed into a system. They kind of just get tossed into like the most convenient college system there is in college football, at least. And then once you get into the league, they're asked to do a lot of stuff from one formation. Yes. And that can get very telling for a defense. And it doesn't necessarily put the quarterback in the best situation possible, unless you have a quarterback that's got all the intangibles and he can do stuff like that.

Yeah. Jaden Daniels. Jaden Daniels, like Lamar Jackson. You know what I mean? Guys that are just, they can do a lot with their feet and that adds to another, like a Jalen Hurts. Guys that can do a lot with their feet are typically the guys that can have success with just being in shotgun. And I think there is some point to be made that it's easier from the shotgun to see the entire field. When you're in the center, you turn your back to the defense a lot, if not every play. So unless we're going back to the old Joe Montana days or the John Elway days where you take a snap and you just start backpedaling as a QB drop. It's a very, you know, interesting point. And who knows what the actual like reasoning is. But it's definitely if you look at this list by Sam Block on Twitter,

yeah, it is very interesting that all these big name quarterbacks that had a lot of success in college and seem to have all the all the skills to to be a pro quarterback have all been getting benched within their first three years. Maybe I'm just used to this because I grew up in Cleveland and all of our how many quarterbacks have we had played for the Cleveland Browns at this point? And how many quarterbacks have gone to have success in other situations? And I think some of this is a little bit like, you know, some of these guys,

they're on bad teams or like it was it was systems like a lot of times the teams that are picking quarterbacks aren't necessarily like in the best position for a quarterback to flourish. So some of that has something to do with that. Yeah. I also think like a a lot of the college systems have changed and they're not the most multiple. It's very different from I think what a lot of the offenses that are having success in the NFL are doing right now. I think successful quarterback play, successful offensive systems, a lot of it just comes down to not being predictable and not giving things away. To Greg's point, when you're in shotgun,

you have to go above and beyond to hide things because where the back's at, it tips away a lot of things, whether it's protection-wise, whether it's run game-wise. If you want to live in that world, I'm a firm believer that you have to move the back around constantly. You need to be moving it, not giving the defense a tells. There are teams that can operate really well in shotgun, but to what you were saying, typically those are teams that have quarterbacks that have that threat of running and it's an added element that makes it difficult. You're thinking like Lamar Jackson and they operate in pistol and gun a lot because they want that threat to be an advantage for them. The under center stuff leads to some beautiful play actions which lead to great shots down

the field. I think all of it kind of works. It depends on who your guy is, but I do kind of think that like a lot of the times, the quarterbacks that are coming out, it's all like the same stuff. It's all like the zone read. It's all like it just isn't as dynamic and different. These college offenses aren't necessarily giving them the the, you know, and I will say this Pat Mahomes, he was the air raid offense. He was in that Texas tech

gunslinger. They made, they, their offense, every single, their run game was like a quarterback draw. Like that was like, they're spreading you out five wide, four wide, in 11 personnel, in 10 personnel guys are just, and they're throwing the ball 60 times a game. When he got to the league, Coach Reed's offense, you have to take snaps under center. Like, I would love to even just ask Pat, I might have to go up to him tomorrow and ask him, you know, how much of a benefit is it?

How much do you love going under center? How much do you feel more comfortable? Do you think it's added to your game? You know, I'd be curious to ask all these questions. Because a lot of these guys that are saying there's a NFL, there's a QB problem or a development problem in the league are all old guys that played in pro style offenses. Well, Greg played with Cam and they did some reads and some shotgun stuff. Yeah, yeah, 100%.

Yeah, I don't know how to articulate it. I just think that like in college, I think to be very honest, I think in college, the game has erred on being simpler and like either utilizing speed or like zone read stuff. And they're not asked, the quarterbacks aren't asked to do all of these different concepts and different, like all this stuff that is going to have to happen at the next level so that you're not predictable. Yeah. They're not being developed as much in college.

And then in the NFL, dude, just sit on a guy for three years that you drafted in the first round, no team is doing that. Nobody. It's going to be hard to develop them that quickly. Nobody but Atlanta. They're the only team. Good point. And part of this is the nature of the league. It used to be when you hired a coach,

that it was a three-year process. We're going to draft guys here. We know we're not going to be very good for two or three years, but then hopefully in this third year, we're going to be building it. That mindset has completely shifted. Now, people expect you to turn things around immediately. You might not be a playoff team immediately, but they want to see the team better and improving, right? Than what it was, yeah. Look at what they've done in Detroit with Dan Campbell. And that's one of the examples where they've trusted that process. They knew what their long-term goal was and where they were going with it. And I think that the expectation now is so short-sighted that these guys get rushed out there

before they're ready in some instances because there's pressure to play them immediately. And it's gonna put ticket seats in the fucking. For sure. Fans in the seats when you got the number one pick overall starting the game, it's like, yeah, I'm about to go see if that guy can really fucking spin it. Yeah, exactly.

I don't know. I don't know how to tell when a quarterback's ready because I didn't play quarterback. I would love to hear Pat's mindset on that to be honest with you. Yeah. Tom brought it up in the off season and I think it's kind of shown to be pretty true. We'll see.

Yeah. Finish the sentence quarterback. The quarterback shouldn't start in the league until he's ready. I don't fucking know. Right. Specific to each quarterback. Yeah. Until the team trusts his accountability.

Yeah, pretty much. Until he needs to. Until we need to win football games and that guy's going to help us. Which is right now. All right. I don't really know. Yeah, I guess that's it for that. Biggest surprise so far at the midway point of the season. The last thing about week nine before we get to the second half of the season is we're going to talk about what has already

happened. We're at the midpoint. What's the biggest surprise so far? Cardinals are leading the NFC West. Not by much. What? Yeah. Really? Well, they've won like three straight or two like they've sneaky, very sneaky, but the Rams and 49ers aren't far behind. They're playing better now. McCaffrey is coming back. The Rams just got back, Cooper Cup and Pucca when he doesn't punch people. So there's going to be, I don't think they end up winning the division, although they are doing some really good things. I bet it'll be either the Niners or the Rams, but Carl has been, dude, they can run the ball. Connor is a heck of a running back. Come on now, baby.

Yeah. James, listen, he is a fucking dog. He's an absolute dog. And when you got Kyler back there shaking with him, man, it's a fucking high powered offense, man. Commanders are leading the NFC East with a rookie quarterback. Are they leading or are they tied? I think they're tied with the Eagles. They might not have had their bi-week yet, but Cowboys are three and five. I don't think anybody saw that coming. That might be the biggest bro. We'll see how they do this week against the Eagles. Everyone besides the Bills in the NFC East is under 500. I thought that conference was going to be good. Two years now I'm not betting on the AFC East ever again. I'm over. I thought for sure, like dude, Aaron's

about the ball out, freaking the Dolphins are great. And then boom. I'm telling man, listen, they fucking the Jets found a way last week. Wilson. That boy and I had to wait. We talked about Saquon's play. That one-hander, what in the hell was that? That was insane. One of the best catches in the league. Russ is cooking with the Steelers. I guess it's kind of surprising, but not really.

Russ has done this in the past. He's in a system now that he's more, like that run play action system he had in Seattle with Marshawn and they would take shots down the field. I think it's back to stuff that he's done really well in the past. So not that surprising. Lions being Super Bowl favorites, right? I mean, it's you and them. Is it surprising Lions being Super Bowl favorites? Yeah, they're not surprised by it. Right? Yeah, they're they're I mean, I mean, we're not like three scores in that fucking AFC Championship and NFC Championship

last year? I was about to say, if we're being honest, they should have been in the Super Bowl last year. That's what it is, yeah. But they're very good. Kirk Cousins has the Falcons in the lead of the NFC South. I didn't see that coming. Tampa Bay, them, New Orleans.

That's not that surprising. I think the commanders are the biggest surprise. I did not expect them to be this big. 100%. The commanders are the biggest surprise. I did not expect them to be this big. 100%. The commanders are the biggest surprise in the league. I think they've had the most juice around like how surprising they've been playing this year. Yeah.

And that has a lot to do with, you know, starting a rookie quarterback. Who is playing out of his mind. Somebody was very well developed. And you know what sounds like in the building? That he wants to be developed. Guys, everybody says he's the first one in at 4 a.m. going over his shit. Learning the offense. I've heard nothing but unbelievable things through this dude and how he loves the game

of football. Dude, it's insane. So for all you young quarterbacks in there, if you don't want to be on that list of guys that have gotten benched in their first three years, maybe just show up and really desire and love the game of football. Not that any of those guys on that list didn't. Put some work in. You know, go above and beyond, baby. That always seems to put you in a good position.

Addition of the year so far, Henry to the Ravens, Saquon to the Eagles, Kirk to Atlanta, D-Hop to the Chiefs, Adams to the Jets. I mean, Saquon to the Eagles is pretty fucking crazy. I'm biased. Saquon to the Eagles is pretty damn legendary. D-Hop to the Chiefs, baby. We've only I'm biased. Yeah, I'm biased. They want to the pretty Dihop to the Chiefs. We've only seen two games and he's already showed up. So I don't like listen. We'll see. We'll see how it all plays out, baby.

Henry to the Ravens has been pretty unreal too. I mean, they were the Ravens are already fantastic and Henry's just added a whole nother element. Yeah, what's a one has been able to do so far that she was pretty impressive. Team with a losing record that could sneak into the playoffs. Who's the team with a losing record that could sneak into the playoffs? You're gonna have to say it's probably one of those NFC East teams.

Yeah, it's gonna be wide open. I mean, AFC East. I don't know why is it that. AFC East, yeah. I know what you meant. Well, Bengals are playing better. Bengals, Jets, I mean, I'm taking everybody with a fucking quarterback. Typically, those guys

find a way to win. Yeah. I mean, I want to say the Jets still. It's just been- Bucks. Bucks are a good football team, man. And Baker can fucking put up points, man. The problem with the Bucks is they have a tough schedule coming up and I don't know when they're getting back Mike Evans and I don't know how that affects them. And they're already two games out from Atlanta I think the NFC is gonna be pretty competitive there for those wild cards Mm-hmm. Yeah, I'm gonna take all the teams that are the closest to 500. I

Feel like the Colts Colts are sneaky Joe Flacco, man. I think there's gonna be more room to at the bottom of the AFC I don't know why it just feels like there's gonna be Who's in that conference Colts, Titans, Texans, Titans, Jags. That's a god damn. I mean, that's the one right there. That's the conference. Whoever wins that division. So that's, there's your answer. There you go. Rookie of the year so far, Jaden Daniels. I mean, it's not even close. I think Brock Bowers is playing his fucking ass off and he's putting up a fuck ton of yards. You can't take away from what Jaden Daniels has been doing. I'll throw a sleeper in there.

Quinion Mitchell has been fantastic. Normally, I wouldn't say a defensive back. He's for the Eagles. Here's our first round pick this year. I mean, he hasn't had the interceptions, I guess, but he's for the Eagles. Here's our first round pick this year. I mean, he hasn't had like the interceptions, I guess, but he's been freaking locking. He's been a big boost to the secondary. Nice. Little shout out.

Yeah, it's Jaden Daniels. It's Jaden Daniels. Yeah. Let's keep this thing moving. All righty. Moving on to No Dumb Questions. That's right. It's time for No Dumb Questions. No Dumb Questions is brought to you by Coke Zero Sugar. Tackle game day with the irresistible taste of Coke Zero Sugar. Is it the best Coke ever? I don't know. You should probably try it and decide for yourself. This week, we are dipping into the Heights Hotline for a question about being in a relationship where you're fans of different teams. Oh nice, a reminder you can call into the Heights Hotline at 929-399-7260.

We'll answer some more voicemails in a few weeks on our Wondry Plus exclusive episode. So stay tuned for what kind of message we'll be looking for. But if you wanna call us about anything, go for it. Hey Jason and Travis, long time fan here, Jordan from Chicago. As far as relationship questions go, I'd love to ask you both, what would you do

if you lived in a split household as far as rival schools? So my wife and I went to rival colleges and would love to know what your advice would be for how to handle living with your significant other, whom you love, when they're rooting for the other team and especially if you've got any good ideas for bets or things you could do around the house for when those teams are playing and make a little extra fun. So love your advice on how to handle a relationship in a rivalry household.

Thanks a lot. Love the show. You guys are great. Thanks. Nice, man. I appreciate you. Yeah, thanks for the call. Listen, I kind of like that. I always enjoy ribbing my buddies and friends. That's the best. That's the best part of being fans.

Yeah. You get the free... If you have a healthy fandom, you enjoy the back and forth with the rivals, right? Talking trash, the different bets. So, I think there's something exciting about that. I also, yeah, I want to know what the specific teams are. Is it Ohio State, Michigan? Is it like Auburn, Alabama? I don't know. I don't know either. But what are some fun bets? Who's got to take out the trash, who's got to do the dishes, who's got to change the diapers, got to, you know. Putting chores on the line is always a good one. Wearing the other person's you know, team into work or something make you feel real stupid

out in public. That is good. Public humiliation is always a good thing to put on the line. You could definitely go with you know, throw a little bit of that like hey. Chill out. Loser's got to do a favor. Not again. I'm listening. I'm already in a... Kylie took to Twitter announcing that I'm already in the doghouse. The doghouse. Not the doghouse. I'm in a dry spell right now, so I don't want to get into any more trouble with guys.

So. Oh man, just throw on Jumanji, man. That's all I really got. All right. This is what being a diehard fan is about though. Yeah. Having the fun back and forth, even if it's with a loved one, I mean, even more so, right? It's just somewhat fun because it's like,

you know the person's true intentions. You're not gonna get insulted by what they're saying. So really lay it on them. Make them feel real stupid for being a part of that fan base. Yeah, in a playful way, in a playful way. Yeah, of course, always in a playful way. Never take it too serious, no.

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