New Heights with Jason and Travis Kelce - Chiefs Matt Nagy on his Mahomes 'Cheating', Rookie Kelces, Andy Reid Lessons & "Swingin' D" | Ep 147

Episode Date: July 9, 2025

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The setup she's got. She's got a great setup. Really highlights her features. Kylie's gonna look good regardless, but I think, I'm not gonna lie, I think I'm, I think I look pretty good in this light. Get over yourself. What do you get a tan? And a wax. Are you kidding me? And a wax, tan and a wax. And all of a sudden Jason's tan wax at a new studio set up. And that's all we need to make me full of myself. All right, let's fucking go.

make me full of myself. All right, let's fucking go. Welcome to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, a wonder show produced by Waves Sports and Entertainment and brought to you by Audible. Why read when you can listen. We're your host. I'm Travis Kelsey, my big brother, Jason Kelsey out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio. Look at this old school 1980s Heights hat, dude. This thing's fucking sweet. That's the tiger I remember. Shout out to Damien O'Day for giving me it.

Subscribe on YouTube, OneDream Plus, wherever you get your podcasts and follow the show and on social media, at New Heights Show with 1S. Jason, tell the people what we got coming up today. We got another incredible episode for you 92 percenters. Whoo-hoo! We'll pick a film for the final installment of the New Heights Film Club.

We're going to answer some not so dumb questions as we always do. And we've got an incredible conversation with chiefs, offensive coordinator, my former quarterbacks coach with the Philadelphia Eagles, Matt Nagy. That's right. Let's go, Nags. It's my guy right there. We finally get to hear his side of the story on giving Pat Mahomes the answers to the test. Did he just slide him a test?

Listen, if it's Pat Mahomes, you're that confident. Give him the answers. All righty. He already has the answers. We're also going to get his opinions and thoughts on the Chiefs offense heading into the 2025 season. But before that, it's time for a little bit of that. New news! New news is brought to you by American Express. And the new news is we are watching Pretty Woman.

Let's do it! The tally is in. The tally is in. Pretty Woman. Walking down the street. Pretty Woman. The one I'd like to meet. Pretty woman. We'll watch the movie circle back and what that song is it in that movie though, is it?

Yeah, guarantee it is. Guarantee it. I wonder why. Okay. So who is it? What's pretty woman? Is that Patrick Swayze? Who's in Pretty Woman? I don't know.

I know nothing about this film. Not Swayze. It is Julia Roberts and dude, another like eighties like Suave dude. Kurt Russell, John Travolta. More stoic. Steven Seagal. Oh, it's Richard Gere. Richard Gere.

I should have seen that one coming. Old Richard. I'm a big fan. All right, here we go. Pretty Woman. Let's do it. I'm about to be a pretty big fan. Dude, I'm just fucking around.

All right, Pretty Woman received over 45% of the votes. The next close is Princess Bride. I almost want to watch... Can we do two? Should we do two movies? No. All right. Pretty Woman it is.

I'm just going to watch Jaws just because it's a fucking banger. Watch print to it. Can we do two? Should we do two movies? No. All right, pretty woman. It is I'm just gonna watch jaws just because it's a fucking banger Give you more nightmares. You're fucking sick. This guy wants to keep in for like getting himself Right. I heard a funny ass fucking tweet that said if you watch jaws backwards, it's just a really Really heartfelt story of a shark giving people their limbs back. Oh, nice, nice. There are people giving people limbs. Well, he, I guess. I fucked that joke up, but yeah, it's funny as hell.

It starts with the shark being reanimated from an explosion and then he is then whole again. And then it's him just regurgitating limbs out of amputees. Yeah, all right. It's a magical shark. Yeah. There it is. Here it is. Oh, there we go. Agreeable Greg. There we go. Shout out to agreeable Greg. Yeah, that's a good tweet. That's a good tweet. What does that look? Rides me of the joke. What do you get if you play a country song backwards? You get your wife back. That's another good joke. Those are both good jokes.

Pretty Woman it is. I'm going to watch Austin Powers then. If you're going to watch Jaws, I'm watching Austin Powers. Dude, I'm telling you, will you please, if we're not going to do Princess Bride this time, let's negate the whole new Princess Bride for the next film club movie. It's a fucking incredible movie and I'm upset that you haven't seen it, Travis. You'll love it. I'll watch Pretty Woman first.

Fair enough, fair enough, fair enough, all right. Yeah, we wasted a lot of time getting here, but the 92%ers eventually selected Pretty Woman, which we will watch and review at one of the up and coming New Heights Film Club episodes. But thank you so much for helping us find these videos. Yeah, thank you guys. Yeah, we're looking forward to this.

I really am. I never know what to expect. I like watching movies. I love judging things. So prepare to be judged. Julia Roberts by somebody who knows nothing about the film industry. Yeah, I can't wait to judge you, Richard. Some more new news Travis attended the Patrick Bacon Charity Golf Tournament Nice. Yeah, shout out to Patty Bakes shout out to Patty Bakes Look at that forehead. Maybe you could put a fucking satellite dish on that thing What does the funds of the Patty Bakes turn a golf tournament go towards? Yeah, so it's not the Patrick Bacon golf tournament It's the the Alex's Way Foundation golf tournament that my guy Patrick Bacon runs. Proud sponsor for City Insurance, which is the insurance company Patrick Bacon is in charge of. Well, that's awesome. Congrats out to Patty Bakes and everybody involved with that charity.

That sounds tremendous. Happy for all those guys. Honestly, man, it's just cool to see everybody in my childhood and Bacon's life come together for a good cause. He had a family member pass away a few years ago and they try and raise funds to help the awareness around it. It's an awesome, awesome event knowing how much of a slappy Bacon can be, but how much of a good guy he can be and the family that that is up there in Cleveland, Ohio, that it that it supports.

And it was just dope. It was it was a fun outing up there at Sandridge, which I never gave enough credit for how beautiful it is up there on the east side of Cleveland. But it's it was a fun deal, man. And it was cool to see all the family and friends that that we grew up around that I hadn't seen in such a long time. Posted a solid score. Shout out to Chuck, Charlie Graves for keeping our score low. But that was a good deal, man. Had a lot of fun up there raising some funds for a great cause. And sure enough, yeah, going up there to support

old Patty Banks, my caddy out in Tahoe. He's a fan favorite in the celebs and familiar faces that you see out there. Patty Bakes been doing this thing for quite a while now. So it was cool to get up there and support him for his foundation and shout out to Forest City Insurance, baby. Why has he got the calves covered up? Everybody knows Patty Bakes has the best calf game in the industry. has the best cab game in the industry. Those calves, those calves would get them up and down that course out there and the altitude of Tahoe baby. I cannot wait to see him out in Tahoe.

Isn't he just the best man? He's everyone's favorite human being man. Did you, did he text you? Patrick texted me in the middle of the week and goes, Hey bro, what are we doing? Because he goes, what? This is why I'm not texting him. He goes, we're doing a Tahoe episode, right? I was like, I don't think so. And he goes, bro, we got to, I've got so many ideas. I'll hit you back.

And I never heard from her again. Cause I told him, we're not doing it. Do you know about this fucking bet that we're doing? What do you, what's, what bet? What's the bet? He had been trying to lose weight. So I told him, all right, I'll make, I'll make you a bet for Tahoe. If you get down 25 pounds by Tahoe, I'll give you 10 bands. Oh my gosh. And he said, all right, deal. And I said, all right, but I don't want money. I want if you lose the bet, you have to do a round in Tahoe dressed as the Blue Man crew. Wow. Wow.

Has the official weigh-in happened yet? No, no, no. The official weigh-in is the 10th. We're doing it the 10th. Is he just going to sweat it out? In Tahoe. And he says he's bringing his scale. I'm just like, this motherfucker's going to have that thing. No, no, no. He's cheating. We'll bring our own scale, but he's just going to sweat it out.

He's just going to wrestler style it. Come on, Pat. We know you're not working. He just text me. It's your chance, Patrick. This is it. We're not calling back. Nothing.

Wow. He said I'm naked. Give me a minute. That's sounds about right. That's yeah, that's the out of guess. So he's he's you don't know where he's currently at. No idea where he's currently at. He looks pretty thin.

He looks a little lean in that photo. I'm not going to lie. I don't know if it's the pants or the jacket. No, listen, Jason, we're all we're we're on we're on Patrick's side. I'm just trying to give him some motivation. I'm definitely on your side. I want to see him. Yeah, I'm a hater. I'm sorry. I'm not. I'm definitely on your team.

I'm team Travis. I want him to do Blue Man Group. I know. That's why I made the bet. I want the Blue Man Group. That's why I made the bet. The way in is Wednesday. Is it in front of you? No, it's Thursday. It's the Thursday. Thursday. The Thursday before the bet. I want the blue man group. That's why I made the bet. The way in his Wednesday is in front of you. No, it's Thursday. It's the Thursday. Thursday before the round. Yeah, he's he's keeps trying to push it to Friday morning. I'm just like dude, stop. No, no, there's as we get the Tahoe. You're on the scale and either you're there

or you're not. We're not doing this whole like you go to the sauna and don't eat anything for a day and just sweat it out. Like no, we're not doing this. This isn't do that shit on your own time. I'm not fucking do you have blue paint form? Come on. Now I did it the right way. I went to a clown shop got the blue paint got this got the the bald scully that you got to put on and then there's like

an accret like the a certain like over the top layer that you put on so that it doesn't like sweat and get in the eyes and mouth and shit. Nice. Nice. He's gonna look like shit. There's no way he said at this point i at this point i pay a hundred thousand dollars to not wear the blue man suit you kidding me this is the most unfair bet ever he He's a fucking ridiculous person. Isn't he a fucking hilarious?

I love him. The guys are spectacle in other new news. The New Heights Reddit page. Ninety percenters want to know if we're serious about the Jets. Jake tattoo. I believe I mean, we're dead serious. Why would we not be serious? All right.

Do you guys think that they'll actually bring someone on the pod if they get the tattoo? Yes, sir. Are there any rules on where it has to be? That's a good question. I would definitely do this to go on. How much do you guys love this show? What are the parameters of the Jets Jake pinup tattoo? Your third leg has to be shown in the tattoo.

It's gotta be very, it's, what else? What else could be Jets Jake? It means Jets Jake. So you got to have the Jets in there. Jets have to be incorporated? Yeah, Jets. He's also Nick's guy. Does there have to be like a size parameter? I don't think so. I think it just has to be, yeah, it has to be respectable. Well, no, it has to be disrespectful.

A respectable size, I mean. I don't think that there's a space that is off-limits I think wherever you're willing to show the said tattoo Trying to think like what would what would a space that somebody would do? That I would not want like would not qualify and I can't think of one. Can you yeah. Yeah. No, yeah So anywhere I think anywhere works. What does say I'm not sure Yeah, no, yeah, so anywhere I think anywhere works What does it say? I'm not sure

They thought that went through because there are plenty of people who would practically get any tattoo to be on the pod The tattoo would be a talking point for the rest of their life I mean listen if people want to do it, I think you deserve to come on the pod I respect it the problem is what happens if more than one person does it? Like we can only have one person on the pod. Well, then we just we put it to a fan boat on the on the best one I think that's fair. All right. There we go. Exactly dude. Like I'm on the way to the parlor as soon as I get confirmation that they really will do this. Listen, do it. We'll get you on the pod. We'd love to have you on the pod. I can't wait to see what this bit of artwork

looks like. Forewarning though, if multiple people do it, I can't guarantee a spot on the pod. Forewarning. We will at least show the artwork if more than one person does it. But to be on the pod, I think you got to if you're the only person, then you're on. If there's multiple people, then we're going to have to some divvy up some type of voting system. All right. In the last bit of new news, 92 percenters, we have come to the end of the road. New Heights is wrapping up for the season.

We will air the last episode of season 3 Wednesday, July 23rd Yes, we will crazy Travis is going to training camp as you all know same joke same joke same joke Whenever training camp starts we take a hiatus from the pod because it's nearly impossible to do a podcast while somebody's in training camp We're gonna have a bunch of, great pre taped episodes for you guys. We have two great guests coming up as well as Matt Nagy right now. So we still have some great episodes lined up, but we will be taking a hiatus July 23rd through training camp. That does it for new news brought to you by

American Express. Yeah, buddy. All right. now let's get to some no dumb questions. No dumb questions is brought to you by Perplexity AI. Discover fast and reliable search with Perplexity AI today. I like team group chats. Let's do team group chats. Team group chats, let's go. Hey, Travis and Jason, this is Riley, love the show. I wanted to ask if there is a big group chat with the entire team for either the Chiefs and the Eagles or if there's just

a bunch of individual group chats. And if there are, how active are you both in them? I missed the question. What was it? Are there group chats and are we in them? There's usually at least a group chat for the position group, at least for the offensive line there was. 100%. We got a tight end group chat, yeah, for sure. And usually there are more people

that are active on those group chats. They're usually the more rambunctious or the people that just wanna fuck around in them. But there's also coaches in there, so I wouldn't say that those ones are the most rambunctious. I think the most rambunctious are usually the ones that are just like group chats on the side with like a select amount of the team or certain personalities that you just vibe with.

Oh, yeah. Is that similar for you? 100% Yeah, coach, Tommy Melvin, coach Melvin, he's the one that kind of makes sure the the group chat is has the right guys in there. You know what I mean? Cuz sometimes, you know, you got a guy, you got a bubble guy and he's kind of off the practice squad on the practice squad. You wanna make sure that that guy's in the loop and informed with everything that we got coming up and the group chat is up to date with who's actually

in the room. Yup. Coach Melvin does it for the tight end group but like you said, said, I have so many different football group chats from my team now from my team back in 2016. Right. Like the group chats, just they keep going up and it's the same with college. I still have group chats with guys from college. Me and Jason are in a few and it's, it's just fun, man. It's always, it's always a blast catching up and just throwing the most absurd shit in the group chat yes of course you have to name the group chats yes there you go

it's the best part of having a group chat oh what's our college our college we can't do that we can't jason no we can't do that one i'm gonna say it trailer light boys all right well i'm gonna politely ask that you don't put this on there, Brandon. I didn't see nothing. I didn't see nothing, Travis. That's a good one. All righty, that does it for No Dumb Questions brought to you by Perplexity AI.

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Jason, would you do the honors, my brother? Absolutely. All righty. Our guest today is a six foot two quarterback out of the University of Delaware, the 2018 AP coach of the year, two times football champion and the current officer coordinator

for the Kansas City Chiefs. 92% of please welcome Matt Nagy! What's up fellas? What's going on? the the the the the the the

the It's awesome and we'll get into all of that. You already know, man. No, no doubt. Appreciate you jumping on with us, dude. East Coast guys, right? East Coast. That's right. Come on now. Ain't nothing wrong with it. I'm getting accustomed to it. I'm a midwesterner myself. Been stuck here forever, but I'm getting accustomed to it.

Good. Coach, how have OTAs been, man? It's been great. You've been excited seeing these young pieces come in and see their talent and everything? It happens quick. The guys get in, you know it. Travis, You've been excited seeing these young pieces come in and see their talent and everything? It happens quick. The guys get in, you know it. Trav, as you've been in here and you get those juices back on again and the guys are rolling.

Coach Reed, man, he doesn't stop. He's nonstop. He can't get enough of it. We love it. And I think the guys are in a good mindset right now. Everything that happened in that Super Bowl, we put that aside, we use it, and guys are in a good framework, coaches and players. I know Trav's excited for that long drive drill.

No doubt about it. Come on now. Oh man. He kills it, man. It'll bring the best out of you, baby. It'll bring the best out of you, man. He kills it. You know that.

Testamentally, yo, no doubt. I tell everybody this all the time, man. You can train your ass off doing everything possible. You could go to flipping tires, the running cross country, you know what I mean? Running hills, you can do all of the training, the perfect off-season training possible. There is nothing that will get you ready for an Andy Reid long drive drill. No. nothing that will get you ready for an Andy Reid long drive drill. No, you are going to start that drill and just know mentally that after about 15 to 18 plays, you are going to be fucking miserable.

Yes. Yes. You could do about it other than just take that misery on with a good attitude. Yeah, no doubt. And I think like, you know what? It's a funny story. So last year or two years ago, I was at the airport and I forget what city I was in, whether it was Nashville or where it was, but I ran into Mitch Morris of all people and he was in that trip. Mitch Morris, baby!

Yeah! Just retired, man. I love that guy, man. Hell of a career, Mitch. And he was leaving, Doug Peterson was down in Jacksonville and I was leaving to go down to Jacksonville And it was the offseason. He had just got traded there just signed there and he said, you know now he goes man I'm excited for my opportunity here and get going here for maybe one last year in Jacksonville man next he's like damn it man. He's like I do not look forward to these long drive drills

like, I do not look forward to these long drive drills. I almost didn't sign here with these long drive drills. And I just started dying laughing, just thinking of all you guys. Dude, it's the best, baby. I still remember, I don't know, you probably don't remember this, Coach, but when Andy, it was, I think my second year, it might've been my first year, long drive drill,

and we run a screen in the red zone. This had to be like play 14 or 15. And Coach had to call a timeout because I just was lying on the field. I'll never forget it. Never will I forget that. He's like, you're right big fella. I'm like, yeah, I'll be all right. He's like, get back in there. Let's go. We got to get. This is so good.

Trav, did you know Coach almost played my rookie year? Did you know this? Dude, I did not know. I was just going to say you said you didn't have any experience with the Andy Dreeve long drive drill. I thought you were out there slinging it with him. Mike got hurt and we like, I think Vince was having some issues too or something like that. They gave you a workout, didn't they?

They put you on the field. They gave you a workout, didn't they? They put you on the field. Yeah, I actually practiced, man. It was great. You guys did all these years of touchdowns and Super Bowls. And man, I got one day in the sun. And yeah, they called me up. And I was an intern at the time.

And now I think they have a rule for it. You see the interns that come to practices in training camp. And they sit in the meetings. And they follow and all that was me in 2008, 2009. And my second year, you know, I was there just helping out coach. And then yeah, coach Veech Veech was in Philly. Then he calls me up and he goes, nice. What are you doing? Come over here, man.

You got to go talk to coach. And then coach goes, do you have an agent coach is like, do you have an agent? Are you in shape? And you know, the playbook and I was like, yes, yes. And yes. And I really didn't know the playbook. I wasn't in shape, but I ended up getting to have one day in practice. And then they, you know what? No, dude, you're out. You can't do it. They nixed it. They nixed it. They put a rule in. They call it an intern stashing.

Oh, damn. Cause there's like a way to add other players, like increase your roster size by having like players on it. It's like, that ain't right,, like increase your roster size by having like players on as like, as your GAs. That ain't right, man. And that was it, man. Onto the coaching world. How about that though? You and Veach, man. A lot of, I don't know if a lot of people know you and Brett Veach played college ball together. You were throwing, you were throwing my guy touchdown passes left and right, man.

Veach was, was your wide receiver, right? He was, yeah. He came in as a running back. I don't know if y'all know that, but he played at a big program in Mount Carmel. His dad was the coach and he was a year college-wise younger than me. And so he came in as a running back and we needed some help at wide receiver. So we bumped them to wide receiver there

towards the end of my career. And I was out there throwing them passes, man, for a couple of years and he was awesome, man. We had a couple of plays versus Villanova that we still talk about to this day. And he was just, he was a hell of a player. Hell yeah, man. We had a couple plays versus Villanova that we still talk about to this day, and he was just, he was a hell of a player. Hell yeah, dog. That's so crazy, man.

Going to college with somebody like that and then finding a way to work with them and win championships with them. That's gotta be a cool connection, man, between you guys. Ah, there's no doubt. And the reason why I'm in the NFL right now is because of Brett Veach. My dog.

Speaking of coaching and college, you guys are going to be sending to St. Joe's before sooner or later for a little bit of training camp action. You guys are getting back with She Rice and Isaiah Pacheco, fully healthy this year, coming off of some injuries. How much do both those guys mean when they're fully healthy for you guys up in Kansas City? It's huge for us. And you know, these guys, I think it's very important for everybody to know, like, people talk about it and I was, I've been able to witness it.

But when they, these guys, they don't understand it. And Pat went through it with Alex, but they don't understand how lucky they are to be able to have Trav help them and what, what they do, understanding how to practice, how to run routes, you know, the little details of, understanding how to practice, how to run routes, the little details of just understanding how to take coaching. And so I watch, and I know it's been documented, but when Trav takes them off to the side

and starts talking to them in his own lingo of how to run a certain route, that's like 10 times his weight in gold versus what any of us coaches are gonna tell these guys because it's a respect factor that they have and And he doesn't have to do that. He's he's the greatest tight end, you know to ever play the game Jace, you're the greatest center to ever play the game I mean that's an unbelievable tandem and for me to be able to coach you guys and see like what you guys were as mentors

Those two young guys rashi and xavier what they have with trab and what they have a coach reed and patrick two young guys, Rashid and Xavier, what they have with Trav and what they have a coach Reed and Patrick, it's special and it really honestly like it makes coaching fun and it lets them just grow and like we see the growth and development and that's the exciting part is like to put it all together and everyone's so selfless. Yeah. And those are the best teams. The best teams are when the players are also coaching, right? They're coaching up the

young guys. And that's also helping them retain it. Like, I always felt like, you know, They're coaching up the young guys. And that's also helping them retain it. Like I always felt like, you know, the players coaching like the young guys, it wasn't like I was saying anything different than what Stout was saying. I'm just regurgitating that, but I'm saying it in a way because we're both on the same end receiving it from Stout.

And when you say it to the player next to you, they're receiving it in the same way you interpreted it from the coach. Does that make sense? There's like a weird thing where like when you both are receiving the information from the head coach, then you have the same frame of reference from how it's taught. It's easier then to go off of that and say basically the same thing, just in like a slightly different way that the guy understands it maybe in a different way. Right. It's just a little bit more reassuring for the young guys. I appreciate you saying that, Nags.

You already know. That's true. You know that. I'm just one of your disciples, man. I just know I can find a way to make it make sense a little bit more. And sometimes all it takes is a few extra conversations about what we're seeing out there to really get everybody

on the same page, man. For sure. Absolutely. You keep mentioning a guy named Pat Mahomes though. Yeah. And I know we need to clear something up here. We had old Patty Mahomes on the show and he told us a story prior to his draft interview with the Chiefs that you gave him the keys to the, you gave him the answers? Did you give them the answers to the test? You gave them the answers to the test, Max?

Yeah, man. Fortunately, it ended up working out pretty good. You know, I mean, Veach and I were, you know, we knew how much Veach and Coach Reed liked them and obviously I was in love with them too. So like you go into that process and you guys know that that whole deal with the combine and how it goes. But man, when you're convicted with somebody and you feel the way that we all did, I don't know, I guess it was better to ask for forgiveness and permission. One of those deals. I love it.

Yeah, I'll never forget it because we just sat back and we went through off to the side and the deal like in between meetings throughout the day, it was the middle of the day. We actually talked a little bit through August Special Travis. Come on now baby. You know, just a little bit of some simple plays, but a few of them and we also just said, hey man, you can't, you gotta get one or two wrong here.

It can't be a hundred percent on the test. You gotta get like the 95. Yeah, he said it'll be obvious. It'll be obvious. Yeah, but he killed it in the deal and I think it stayed pretty quiet for many years. And then I guess he's the one that busted it out a few years ago. Fortunately, ended up working out. Unbelievable, dog. Well, let me ask you this. What made you so confident that Pat was the guy coming out to be able to do that? You know, watching the tape when we watch

these players on tape, you know, you sit there and you can't put the tape down. You just wanna keep watching more and more and more. And as you're watching it, you just see the plays that he's making and these stupid throws that, he saw so much drop eight in college. There was so much drop eight. So it was like, part of you was like,

he's seeing all this drop eight, he's trampling around and no one's better than him when he's outside the pocket running around. He can make special throws. And he was doing a lot of that So the question was like, okay, what type of person is he and you know What's his you know football IQ like and does he love the game and all the stuff the intangible things? And so like as we all started watching more and more tape We were like, you know coach Reed and and Veach and these guys were like we got it

We got to take these quarterbacks We got to bring them into into the room guys were like, we gotta take these quarterbacks, we gotta bring them into the room and spend a good six to eight hours with each of these guys in that draft class. And really, we knew how much we loved the player, but bringing him in and just seeing him take it to the top with the person side of it was unbelievable. And you could just see he was special.

And you didn't know it until things were gonna happen. But I mean, my gosh, like we were all on board. It was all conviction and I just couldn't put the film down. He was just special. I hear you, man. I'm with you on the first time you meet him, man. That first, what's up, dog? That first like, y'all was good.

It's like your family forever after you get that phone, man. He's such a good dude and I already know he's gonna ace that part of the test every single time and I'm sure the football IQ was already through the roof when he got in. The second that happened, the moment it happened, we were super excited and it was one of those deals where, then he came in as a freshman, or excuse me, as a rookie with Alex.

And it's like, and Alex taught me as a young position coach, he's one of the most special human beings of people in my life. And what he did for that room and for Patrick and for myself and coach everybody, that year, we'll all never forget it. And I just could tell story after story of that season

of how good he was to Patrick. And also how well Patrick came in. Patrick didn't come in trying to be like, hey, I'm the future guy. He came in the best teammate he could possibly be. No doubt. And it just took off. And I think like, you know.

I'll say this though. A lot of the times that, it's a two way street, but the veteran in the room usually dictates how that goes. And because if the veteran is open to it and they embrace this opportunity to teach this young guy and to be a productive like room, it usually goes well, right? Without a doubt. I mean, Alex is, you know, because of how good Patrick is, people forget what Alex did in the time that he was here.

Especially that year, Especially that year specifically. That year because remember, we all remember because we kind of took it personal, you know, everyone was calling Alex like a game manager, check down Charlie type guy. And go back to 17, his last year when Patrick was drafted, go back and check out the numbers and tell us who had the highest check down in the downfield.

Like he didn't care. And Alex was just killing it, man. And he's a winner. He's a hell of a person. And like you guys said, man, what he did for Patrick and for me as a coach, I mean, come on, man. That was unbelievable. It's the goodest goal, baby. What he did for me as a professional, his aura in the facility and how he conducted himself as a professional gave me an understanding of what I needed to get better at. Sure. And it wasn't necessarily the attributes. It was how am I organizing all this information?

How am I making myself better Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday? How am I setting up that day on Tuesday? How am I setting up that day on Tuesday? How am I setting up my day on Wednesday to understand the entire base game plan? You know what I mean? Right. Watching Alex and just talking to him about football, he gave you that confidence and understanding that he knew everything he could possibly need to know about the defense he was playing. And when you have that trust in the, not only the guy that's slinging the ball around, but when you have that trust in the, not only the guy that's slinging the ball around, but when you have that trust in somebody next to you, you know, Mitchell Schwartz was the

exact same way. Somebody that I could, I knew he knew the answers to the test because he was so smart and he understood defenses like that. And Alex, I would just go up to him and talk to him about pointless backside of the routes where I knew when it was zone, he was going to the three by side. And I would just be in my mind like, hey, like is there ever a chance you're kind of like he can back here one,

you know what I mean? I would just go up to him and just ask him questions, try not to be annoying with it. But I would just, I just love talking ball with the guy. And he made me such a better player by just giving me just free wisdom, man. Yeah. And he had so much common sense too.

Like, and like, just like, you know, some guys are super smart. He's super smart, really intelligent, high football. But he also had like the self-awareness of common sense of understanding, like, you know, why he did certain things. And I think like, to me, all like that's your, your perspective, Trav and Pat has his own. But for me, I was a first year quarterback coach in 2013.

And the quarterback that we traded for to come into the Chiefs was Alex his first year from San Fran. Smitty, yeah. He had like six or seven different coordinators at that time. He forgot more football than I knew. So me coming in and trying to coach him, like that wasn't easy. But again, he was able to like learn how to trust me over time and me just try to kind of ease my way into it. Man, I'm just so indebted to Alex, man. He's just a special, special person. I do got to ask this though, back on Patty Mahomes.

From that rookie year, you had your run in Chicago and you've come back between that first year and the years now Where do you think he's like changed the most in terms of how he progressed his game from that first year? Without a doubt his protections, you know, he came in his rookie year in 17 and really I mean he was just learning how to call plays He was all no huddle. So like take a snap under center rookie year understanding no huddles, so like take a snap under center, rookie year, understanding coverages on the back end, protections, but now, I mean, you guys know how we do those walkthroughs in the morning,

and as in 18, 19, 20, 21, those years where everything was just, you guys were clicking, and he was learning through the coaches I talked to and through him, the protections, if he didn't get the protections right, it didn't matter. You know, and you gotta know where your hots are. You gotta know where you're going with the football, understanding that part of it.

And then you can take like the ability to make the special throws and just know when that's gonna happen. And now when I got back in 22 as a quarterback coach, and then 23, 24, the last few years as coordinator, I've really gotten to see him understand the student of the game part of, not just understanding and being a master of protections,

now his leadership, what he's learned through you, Trav, and your guys' time together of like, how to lead the players, but then also how to lead the coaches like us that are with him, like the communication part of like, listen, you might be explaining a certain route a certain way to a guy or a young guy, but also this is how I see it. This is how we see it.

Think about doing things this way. And so he gets why we're doing the big picture, but from again, a player's perspective, think about it from this way or that way. He's grown that way. He would have never done that at his early years. There's a lot of things he didn't know. He does know a lot now. He knows what he's seeing coverage wise. He knows when the blitzes are coming. And sometimes, you know, it's our job as coaches to make sure that we don't let

that get in the way. But he's grown in so many different areas. But the probably the biggest part is the change he hasn't done. He's never changed as like, he's such a good person and he still completes every single day It's Patty Mahone, baby, and everything he does is Patty Mahone is a hundred percent all the time and he's just special He's in a great place Jason played with my guy Gardner Minshew. I was a Minshew been in the in the QB room he's sparking it up or is he just he's playing it He's playing it cool right now. So when he first came in day one you know he started it was funny he basically pulled a prank on our quarterback coach with asking where the quarterback room

is at with on Gerardi man he was messing with him the first day just messing with him and and it was one of these jokes so So he asked him where room four is. He came in and he's like, man, they told me the quarterback room is in four D. Like I couldn't figure out where and Gerardi kind of looked at him like, what are you talking about? He goes four Ds. You know, he's just like, kind of swiveled his hips a little bit and he's kind of, it was, it was a good icebreaker. I'll say that for Gerardi, but he's been really good, man. He understands the game. He's smart.

He's just a great guy. And I think like in the room, you know, he really, he understands where we're at. He understands where he wants to go. And man, he's just, he is a character, but he also knows when to, you know, lock in and really get serious. He's studying all the time.

For sure. Oh, he's a pro. Yeah, he's a pro. I gotta ask you, offensive line. You drafted Josh Simmons. This kid looks incredible. Looked incredible at Ohio State. What do you think he'll bring once he's fully back and healthy? Yeah, I really love his athleticism. You're right. I mean, his, his, um, his ability to really show his strength and athleticism on the edge one-on-one,

being able to recover if he gets beat, I mean, it's rare. Dude, it was like flashes of like Jason Peters, like Trent Williams type of movement and bending and redirecting. I agree 100%. Agree, man. He's gonna really put it together. And I think like right now, just Jace, as you know, man,

just kind of understanding the calls and all the different calls you can have at the line of scrimmage when you're going to squeeze and that's what the guards for it. He's got to block the man mounting on the end. The guard could tell him, you know, that's right. That's right. So he's really, really been locked in though. It's been great to see him like in meetings and out of practice. He's almost sometimes a little bit too serious because he's really, really been locked in though. It's been great to see him like in meetings and out of practice. He's almost sometimes a little bit too serious because he's really locked in.

It's good to see. That's what blew me away was everybody's talking about how athletic he is and you see that immediately. Seeing him go through drills and how comfortable he is, how his base, how great of a base he has and everything like that. But even when he's just like working some of the scout team stuff because his knee isn't just quite back for him to go full go yet, he's dialed in. He's giving good

looks. He's making sure he's helped. Like he is, he is a professional already. He is so bought in and he understands, I think where, what situation that he's in and being that, that big of a pick for a, for, you know, the chiefs, baby, I think he's he's actually light years ahead of where I was imagining he could be not to say that I was expecting something else. I just didn't know what to expect from him. Not knowing him that well, but he's a rookie. Yeah, exactly. He's a rookie. But he is dialed in and he looks like he's ready to work, baby. And I love that about him. He is down and I will say this. and I gotta you

know Trav I don't know if I've ever told you this story maybe I have but the one difference and there's a back in 2011 I do remember a sixth round draft pick coming in as a rookie and I gotta tell you this story I don't know if Simmons has this in him right now but I'll never forget it for all my life so I'm a quality control coach and we're in training camp in Philadelphia and it's in the evening and we're kind of in the middle of camp. Guys are tired, they're pissed off, angry, whatever, but getting ready to do a little learning

at nighttime in the installs. We're having a special teams meeting at around six o'clock at night. So everyone's in the special teams room, most of the team, and then there's a bunch of like, quarterbacks and quarterback coaches and assistants and some guys that aren't in there that are just kind of hanging out in the team. And then there's a bunch of like, quarterbacks and quarterback coaches and assistants and some guys that aren't in there that are just kind of hanging out in the hallway. And all of a sudden, you just hear this cursing and

freaking out and like yelling. And it's just all of a sudden out running up the steps, these doors pop open and this big grizzly bear just pops out of nowhere and just starts MF and everybody and just starts just pounding, just pounding on the special teams in the middle of the meeting. He's pounding on the special teams door, pops it open and is just like, who the F did, who messed with my car, you put a paper in my car, you stuck a banana in the pipe, you, you Saran wrapped it, who the F did it? And all these, all these guys are in the middle of a special teams meeting like turn

Around like what are we talking about? Here's a rookie Interrupting the team special team Somebody for messing with this car in the middle of training camp on and we looked at each other to the side as coaches We go. Are you freaking kidding me? We got somebody here, man Around right there was a positive here, man. That was a positive. Oh, you kidding me? I definitely don't forget that. That was wild. That was I was like hit the door first. And if I came out afterwards, and he was like, man, I thought somebody was shooting a gun out here. I

thought there was gunshots going. It was just you hitting the door. I'll never forget it, man. I always tell all the rookies that I remember him telling me that story. And when I was at Cincinnati, he was like, yeah, man, somebody fucked with my car. And I swear to God, if I find out who it is, I'm going to kill him. I'm just like, dude, you're a rookie. We just loved it.

We're like, yeah, we got a guy six round. We got he's fired up. He's fired up. That's awesome. Sometimes you just got to show your little nuts, man. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't have an show you're a little nuts, man. Yeah, yeah. I didn't have an issue with that. Don't take it.

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Yeah! No, no, Jason, you have no idea. That shit was, it was bad. Dude, Chris, I love Chris Jones the death dog. I don't know what it was, but he just, he needs to stay on the defensive side. Yeah, it just, we put it in for him and we had him doing a little throw and it just,

I mean, usually coach, we put it in the incubator like with Don Terry Poe. Oh yeah. And you know, the jump passes. Let that thing simmer, baby. Let that thing simmer. You watched it for a couple weeks. Yeah. And then, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, this one was called Swingin' D and it wasn't working, man. That play wasn't working. Swingin' D? Are you kidding me? That is amazing. It had the name. Oh my God. It had the reference, the reference, it did it. It didn't work. We ran it, it was a throw to me. Every single throw was like five yards behind me at my feet.

I'm just like, coach, I don't think this is going to work. It got canned. It lasted about two weeks and then Swing and D went out. So no more of that. That was gone. But that's about the only one, you know Coach, man. And when you guys come up with the stuff, it means so much more for him, and he likes it and stamps it so much better

when you guys do your creativity. So that's the best part. I still got one in my back pocket. I just might need to just put it on a little note card and just shove it under his door one of these days, man. Make sure it gets to him. You gotta get it on a little note card and just, you know, shove it under his door one of these days, man. Make sure it gets to him. You gotta get it on that, on his whiteboard there. And he gets that beautiful mind going in his whiteboard, man.

And you don't know what pops up. There you go. Speaking of coach, what's it like being Andy Reed's offensive coordinator? Every single day, I make sure that I never take it for granted and not just being the offensive coordinator, but just being with him, being so lucky to

be around him every single day. I look back to when he first hired me in 2010, been with him until 2017. And then when I left to Chicago and now to be able to take me back and just get to see it from a different perspective. He's taught me so much of how to be a coach, but how to handle certain situations, whether it's a player on or off the field. We talk so much life stuff too, that probably a lot of people don't know or understand in the coaching world. I mean, it's a lot of X's and O's, but we're together a lot. And so he's given me a lot of fatherly lessons

of how to understand with me having four boys and as they're growing up things that I can do to help to help out and be better. And oh yeah. And I think like, you know, this is one of the greatest coaches to ever coach in NFL history. And I don't ever take that for granted. So like I'm still trying to take in when he gives me a note on a simple play that we've been doing for 15 years, I don't want to forget that part of it. Or if he gives me a coaching point of how to coach a coach, right? And how to handle a situation, on how to do an install. What am I doing?

Am I saying a few words too many times? Little things like that. Oh yeah. He's always trying to make us better. And Trav, you know, being together all these years, whether it's a certain route or whatever, the blocking technique, he's always gonna just try to help you out. And it's all for one common denominator,

as you know too, Jace, more than anybody, it comes from love, man. Like this guy, he loves his players. And he loves to see him have success, man. He wants that success for him, man. He does. And I think like that's where, for me to watch that and be a part of that.

I try to tell these young coaches right now, like what they how fortunate they are to be able to coach for him and what you know, we want to do it for him. One of my favorite installs ever. My guy, he was he's up there and he's kind of talking it through and Byron Pringle one of my favorite he played in Chi town too, man. Listen Byron Pringle, one of my my favorite, he played in Chi town too, man. Listen, Byron Pringle is a wide receiver for us. One of the most physical, like they didn't get enough credit for the things he did for our team.

And Pringle, it was getting he was starting to like catch strides and he had a big preseason game and he made the team and coach was that was like installing a play and He looked over Pringle said Pringle this place for you, baby. I'm gonna get you that chip deal, baby Man that's any dead He did. He probably did. It probably worked. Do you have any favorite Andy story before we move on from Coach? Gosh, there's so many of them.

Gosh, I'm getting called off guard right now. The one story that occurred in my first stint here in 20, I think it was 16 or 17. It was like a Tuesday night. We're game planning and every evening coach and I will go at around five o'clock and we'll go down to the kitchen, cafeteria, and we'll sit down in between our break for half an hour and we'll grab some food and we've done it for many many years and so it was about a 5 30 on a Tuesday. We're in between it's's just Coach and I in the cafeteria, and it happened to be a steak night. So we're sitting there, and he's eating,

he's eating his steak, and he kinda, all of a sudden, I get up, and I walk over to the trash can and throw something away, and I look over to the table, and I see him kinda like, sneezing. And I'm like, man, Coach is sneezing, oh, he'll be all right. And he just keeps sneezing, and I'm like man coach is sneezing he'll be alright and he just keeps sneezing and I'm sitting there and then he stands up and I'm like looking

I'm like yeah I don't want to bother him he's sneezing I'll let him go and all of a sudden he like he kind of like like stops like coughing and choking and I'm like the guy's choking like he's choking and I'm not I gotta go and all that is it he stopped and he's like, oh man He looks at me and he's like he's a man. I go coach. I thought you were sneezing He goes no, I was choking on a piece of steak and I go what I go like I thought you were sneezing I'm such an idiot because I Like not bother him for sneezing but the guy is choking on a piece of steak It's just me and him if he goes goes down, it's totally my fault.

You had a chance to Heimlich maneuver Andy Reed. I've never done it ever and I could have just got him and just you know and that would have been quite the story but thank God he saved himself. There you go. Thank goodness. Yeah. Before we get move along from just coaching in general, from your time learning under coach Reed and then the time in Chi town,

from going from, you know, offensive coordinator and everything, you were even dialing up plays that year, that last year was Smitty and everything. Yeah. What was the biggest difference in leading both sides of the ball and being that head coach in Chicago than it was just being a coordinator.

Like what do you think that biggest difference was? 100% the relationships with the entire team. So the defense and the special teams and then understanding, making sure that those guys know I have the pulse of who they are and what's going on. And so like in 2018, when we got to Chicago, there just wasn't a lot of energy. They needed a little bit of positivity going on. And so like in 2018, when we got to Chicago, there just wasn't a lot of energy. They needed a little bit of positivity going around. And I think like what we had to do

was create that culture. And the only way you do that is by winning. But you got to build trust and you got to build relationships with the players so they do trust you. And the only way to do that is to be around them. Like you can sit there and talk X's and O's all you want, but if you're not around them and they don't know who you are and you don't know who they are, it won't work. And I think like for me, my best time to do that was to jump into meetings where I couldn't do that as a coordinator.

So like as a head coach, I can jump into the special teams meeting. I can jump into coach Fangio's defensive meetings. And then when we're out stretching, like I will walk around and talk to all the defensive guys. And then I would meet with some of the guys one-on-one and try to build a rapport with those, with those leaders. And I think like, you know, as the three years after that went on till 2021, where I look back and reflect and say, man, I wish I would have done this better. It's staying on top of those relationships that

we built and you know, like get new players come in, old players leave, I probably didn't do a good enough job of creating that bond with those players and sustaining it so that when you hit a tough patch, you can get through that, you know, get through the lows. And I think like that's where I needed to be better. And I reflect on that a lot. And, you know, you guys both know me, like I'm an outgoing outgoing person and I feel like it's important to have a good relationship with guys

and let them trust you, but you gotta be able to sustain that and so as a head coach, for me that was my biggest thing that I really look back on now and like damn, I wish I would've done a better job there and you learn from it, you learn from those mistakes. Oh yeah, that's all it is. You already know you learn from it.

You're still one of the best coaches I've ever fucking had in my career, man. And I'm so thankful that you've that you've been there for me. Well, I appreciate that. If that double doink doesn't happen, Matt, you might still be the head coach to Chicago like it went from that double doink to we lost in New Orleans. Barely lost. We should have potentially won that at the end with the drop, but it was LA and LA wasn't like, I don't know. You guys are rolling towards the end of the year there.

The defense was good. Rolling baby. We were rolling. You're right. And I mean, you look at it and then in 2019, you know, we went 500 and then in 2020, same thing. We made the playoffs and played, you know, lost to the Saints in the playoffs. But and then in 2021, you know, we just, we fell off. So again, you know, the competitor to me, you want to be better, but I got to use that to learn it

to be better. And everything happens for a reason, man. And get to be back here with Trav and coaching these guys and win some super bowls. And I'm going to learn from it, but I appreciate y'all. You know, we're still having fun, baby. Yeah. I do want to ask you one question from that game. Was it your idea or, or Vicks, you guys kept holding the sub guy and it messed up all of our game plan, specific runs. Like we kept calling all these plays in a six, like goal line deep. I'm like, bro, we can't run this play to a six one. Like what are we doing? Like I was getting so pissed off as a play come coming in.

And then you'd see the big deep as a lime runoff. It was like, we can't run this. We got 11 personnel out here. It was messing up. Yeah, it was honestly, it was great coaching. It was great coaching. That was that was all Vic and his defensive staff. Those guys did a hell of a job.

I was so lucky, you know, to be able to spend a year with him. And man, when he decided to take that job in Denver as the head coach, I'll never forget being there with Ryan Pace and Joey Lane, sitting at a restaurant with Vic and he was so torn because he loved his players so much and we loved him so much and we knew what we had. And you know, hey, it was his opportunity to go be a head coach. But man, obviously, he's a wizard. He's a hell of a coach.

He's a great person and I have a ton of respect for him. Hell yeah. I was going to say Dayton, you were talking about that 2018 and coming in and I just remember, I remember in 13 when you guys came in, you know, we were such a veteran team, we had, you know, the team may have just went 2-1-14, but we had pro bowlers, we had superstars, we had guys like that were that were at the top of their game like Eric Barry, Justin Hughes. And when Alex came in, you know, Jamal Charles, you know, we had we had studs on both sides of the ball and And the time by Ali and then Derek Jami, I could keep going.

We had we had guys right goes on and on. Yeah, did the defense when you first got there was insane stacked. I mean, you already know probably one of the most stacked defenses I've ever seen. Yeah, I agree. It was ridiculous, man, Brandon Flowers. We had a whole bunch of studs and it was crazy to me that one this team went two and fourteen the year

before but two when coach Reed came in I can tell the difference to this day of coach Reed's demeanor in having to come in and break that culture. Yeah. It wasn't necessary and don't get me wrong like I have no idea what the situation was with the coaches before that or anything.

But I heard guys complaining nonstop about how much and how hard we were practicing. And nowadays you don't hear anybody complaining. You guys, you just hear guys accepting that this is you guys don't complain about practicing hard. I never, you never fucking hear that out of me. I don't believe I'll be the first one to put the pads on. All right. Yeah, I would confirm that, man. And I'll just say this real quick.

And a huge reason that you guys bought in early on and you guys have taken the torch and you've done this with it and everybody sees it now. You can't not because you guys want to do it. It's not a complaint. There are times it's like, man, we gotta fucking do this again. Like there's that. But it's like, man, we can't fucking do this again. Like, there's that but it's the acceptance of this is the system. This is how you become great. And it works. Right? You're not questioning whether

it's the right thing to do or not completely different situation back in 13 on on the veterans that we had in there and how they were used to working and doing things and how coach Reed came in and gave them a new perspective on it. And I really think that would that's that turnaround with that talent. You saw it immediately. We won the first 10 games right off the bat because of how much those veteran guys knew the game of football played well together when they when they had that work ethic and and how just I don't know everything came together. But I'll tell you what, man, I don't know, everything came together.

But I'll tell you what, man, I can only imagine how tough it is to go in there and demand that discipline and that trust in trying to break a system that hadn't been working. No doubt. And I'll never forget the first meeting that Coach Reed had that year you're talking about. And just painting the picture, again,

Coach Reed, for the very first team meeting in 2013, we had our first team meeting, the entire team was in the team room and those doors opened and he came walking in and it was quiet and I remember I was sitting in the corner and I looked over and in the front row was all those dudes you just talked about Tom Bali, Justin Houston, Eric Berry, Don Terry Poe, you know, Duane Bowe, Charlton Dramalj. It goes on and on and on. Oh yeah. They were literally sitting up in their seat

with their hands on their knees and their eyes were huge and they were just staring at this guy. And the second I saw that, I was like, they believe. This is what they needed, they believe. And then Coach just took it from there. And you remember we did all that no huddle this first couple of practices. Come on now, come on now. Come on.

The giant with that was crazy and it wasn't just it was the long drive drill. It's different when it's 18 plays of huddle. Yeah, for sure. It's a completely different experience when it is a no huddle long drive drill. That is where you're fucking you just want to just you look at Alex is like just check it down.

Just throw it just throw it immediately to the check down so we can get to the day play and get through this thing, man, please. Secretly for the O-line, I'm kind of all about it because the D-line's only good for the first two plays. Yeah, you're loving it. It's a big lead fest after that. Yeah, yeah.

Hey, Jay, so Coach comes in, and he doesn't even, and Trav probably doesn't even know this, but he has us working all off-season to get ready for this OTAs that first year in 2013. And all of a sudden, before the first couple practices, he walks into the staff room with the coaches and he says, all right, fellas, and he puts the playbook down and he goes,

here's what we're gonna do. These first six practices, we're going no huddle tempo, every single play. We're like, what? We have the play scripted. And he's like, no, we're going no huddle. Every play is no huddle. and we didn't know it at the time Yeah, why that was his way of making them think mentally try to break them down, you know

It should condition them but make them get tired and see how they respond to some some frustration He was like a wizard man I'll never forget going back to that and then like you said we went nine and oh ten and oh and ended up making the Playoffs, that's amazing. Oh, yeah, baby. Speaking of first impressions, what was your first impressions of Travis Kelsey? We talked about me. I want to know what you thought of Travis when you first got to know him. No, man.

I'm telling you what. So he gets in his first year and like you just you see this guy and you can just it's the same same way with Pat. Like, you know, watching the tape tape what he brings and what he did and then you know, he's got that quarterback background but I always start with the person like I could you could just tell the competitor that he was and just the the like the fire that he had to be great from early on from day one and I'll never forget like just getting him in the OTAs getting him in practices and then when when things really took off then when you got in there and that what was it the the was a Cincinnati game second preseason game

because you had your injury there the second preseason game you ran an August special where you nodded the guy caught it up the seam and went like 70 yards and outran a corner and a safety linebacker. And we all looked at each other on the sideline and we just said, did we just see that? And of course, Trav goes and he just dives into the end zone and does like a somersault into the end zone. It's like sprawls. And we looked at each other like, this is going to be fun. And then every game game like you just keep seeing the growth of like, you know What he was able to do like the one year we got a New England into base defense a lot So we were 13 personnel and get them in base and put Kels out there and let him run bubbles and RPOs and like, okay

You want to go big? We're gonna throw the ball. You want to go little? We'll run the ball and block. And so like playing that cow, mouse game for all those years. But like, just to see now, I mean, this man, he has routes that are named after him. I go and talk to these college coaches and they're like, we're running the Kelsey route. And I'm like, what the hell is the Kelsey route?

And they start showing all these routes. And I'm like, oh yeah, that's this route here. But man, he just put in it. We talk about like seven different routes we have in the playbook and Kelps puts his own spin on it. And it's just like, it's rare. There's no one else like it. And him and Pat, what they've done is just, and then you put the fire, the competitiveness, the loyalty, the trust, the love, the passion, like everything about that. You know, Jason, I mean, you guys are blood, man. You know what I mean?

So it's like, it's just, it's, it makes you such a good coach. I love it. I love it. Man, I'll tell you what, I'll ask you about Jason, but you already told us your first impression of him was him being a fucking psychopath. You knew exactly what you had in your back pocket. Psycho, but you know, it was always with Jason was, you know,

here's the guy that comes in, sixth round draft pick that comes in, but you could tell right away, he has so much damn trust in his ability and who he was, and he was gonna outwork everybody. He was gonna be so coachable, and he was just gonna fight you to the end, man. He was just, he was gonna fight you literally.

And that's what you both have. Like you both have that. And it's like, that's a DNA thing. Not all kids have that. You guys have it. And to do what you've done, for your parents raising you the way they have, the bond and the kinship that you all have.

But watching you, I'm like Coach Reed on a lower level. I got to see both of you come in as rookies. I got to be with you guys throughout this journey. And I'm so lucky because you guys took it to the max. And not only that, but I'm real big on just being yourself in this journey and you guys are yourselves. You show your emotions, you love each other, man. You're there for each other.

I'll never forget after that Super Bowl when we won against you guys the first time, I'll never forget that hug and that embrace and won against you guys the first time like I'll never forget that hug and that embrace and that look that you both had for each other and like it's powerful and Like you just here it is to this day what y'all are doing It's just I I'm lucky to be able to know y'all and I just I love you guys man. You guys are special So it's not a good coach beyond here man, but I just got so much respect Come on baby, you already but I just got so much respect and a lot of love for y'all. Come on, baby. You already know where emotional suns are. No doubt.

Let's jump into it. This is one of our last segments, but one of our favorite segments. We got to ask, but you don't have to answer. Nags, you can tell us to fuck off. You can just tell us to kick rocks if you don't want to answer these. All right. All right. All right. Who is the toughest defensive player to game plan for in your career, in your coaching career? Who have you like watched on film and just like, man, I don't know how we're gonna deal with this guy. Yeah, in all the career, huh?

I'm gonna say somewhat current, and I'm just gonna give a ton of respect to Max Crosby, man. I just cry. I mean, he's just I mean, he's and he's all over the place. I mean, Kels, you know, there's times where they put him out and butch you like out by the sideline. Yeah. And that's okay. And you want to talk about a guy that'll fight you to the fucking end. Yeah, it doesn't matter what that score is. Max is coming off the ball and he's gonna fucking punch you in the mouth, man.

I love competing against that dude, but you're right. He is unstoppable, man. He's one of the hardest to ever fucking game plan for. Yeah. And I go back to the Philly days, you know, and there's some of those rushes that we used to see from some of that Giants defensive line and the Cowboys with Demarcus Ware back in the day. I mean, it was-

Oh my gosh. Yeah. Right? I mean, and so, and the guys on the inside, there's so many, but just, just because I'm so current right now and losing my train of thought, that's, that's probably Crosby's early on there. There you go. All right. All right. Do you still keep the BU on the play sheet? No, I don't. I don't. No other reason because I just, I did that in Chicago and I haven't done that here, but I do use that every single day, man. I live by that thing. Oh yeah. I hear it every day.

My oldest son, man, he told me that and that's something that at the time a 15 year old told me and I'll never, you know, I think that's powerful, man. Just be yourself. Don't try to be someone different. And that's something that Andy has always preset. That's one of the things I've always loved about Andy, everywhere he's been. He wants guys to be their personality show, wants them to genuinely be themselves.

So I think I'm with you 100% on that. Yeah. That's the beautiful thing of a team. I love how Coach Reed says this, and then he has all these rules that you gotta abide by, like tuck your shirt in. Well, it's show your personalities within the confines of the team. You know, you don't get this.

I finally figured out why he does all these things. And yeah, I mean, he has like kind of that, that, that understanding of the military and how everybody has to, you know, present themselves with the right way and have that discipline aspect of like being one unit. You know what I mean? There's like, there's reasonings to it. You guys know he doesn't miss a thing either. He sees everything in training camp,

everybody, he sees Periff on everything no matter who you are. Oh man, just when you don't think he's looking, man. Yeah, and my first year I was back doing the cards in the back end and I had a hat on and I had a pencil in my ear and I heard this whistle. I'm a first year coach and I hear this whistle and I don't react and I hear it again.

I look and he's looking at me and he points to here and he goes like this, get rid of the pencil. That was in 2010. Never again in my life was there ever a pencil in my hat. Never, there never will be. Wow. So good, man. You gave Bears new head coach, Ben Johnson, this advice,

win and beat the Packers. What's the best coaching advice you've ever received? The best coaching advice I've ever received was win and beat the Packers. Who's coaching that one? It was Coach Dicka. Dicka! Yeah, yeah, yeah. He told me that, unfortunately we were one in seven and against the Packers

and Aaron Rodgers and that's a tough draw. Yeah, that was tough. So that's, I wasn't able to do that. So that's why I gave Ben that advice. As an offensive coordinator, do you think the average person could get one yard in the NFL? Like running the football? Yeah, I mean just back there, inside-outside zone,

get them a nice little screen out there. I'm going to say no. I love it, I love it. You would have to get awfully lucky, dude. Hey, listen, that's no criticism. If I was out there, I couldn't get a yard. I used to think that, you know, the offensive line could get the average person a yard. And Mitchell Schwartz actually gave the best rebuttal to this because I was like, it's a line blocks it like anybody can just run behind them. But Mitchell Schwartz said, you

want to get it, man. They're going to be so slow to get to that hole like they're going to be so out of phase with you guys and I'm like you know what how to get to it this is a good point I never thought about it like that set up their blocks yes you know what I mean like they either got to catch the toss or they got to figure out the open pocket for the handoff. What was your welcome to the NFL moment coach? For me, it was probably more, well, my first year coaching in Philadelphia and I was in charge of the scripts. Oh yeah.

Making sure the scripts and training camp are done the right way. And you guys remember Juan Castillo, obviously. Oh, hell yes. Juan went from the offensive side to the defensive coordinator. And the guy knew how to get into the system and figure out what the plays were for training camp with offensive plays. This has been alleged for a long time. I didn't know it was proven. Okay all right. Yeah so me and Eugene Chung were in charge of the

scripts and one day yeah man coach Marty Mourningweg called us into the office as the OC at the time and he's he pulled shut the door And he said hey, man And he just read us the riot act about not letting the how the heck are you gonna let long get into the system? And see our plays this is BS. This doesn't happen And I mean I'm talking about he chewed our asses out and we walked out of there and I'm like I have one job To make sure that the defense doesn't get the script So now like we have such a high tech system right now,

like you're not finding what plays we're doing. Like Spags isn't finding training camp scripts anymore. Like we've got our quality control guys ready, but that was my welcome into the NFL. I was like, man, I gotta get this right. So good. I will say this is always alleged though. Like every time the defense is kicking our tails,

the coaches got their scripts. They got their scripts. Oh, you just know you're going to be a split double A against this exact play. Like it's like, that's always fun to trade again. No doubt. Let me ask you this. It's not on here, but I'm just curious. So it feels like the NFL over the last couple of years, it always goes in waves and the chiefs were such a high powered offense for a long time. Really NFL offenses were high powered. Felt like points were up.

Recently, defenses have kind of felt like they've been getting the upper hand. What is what have you seen change? I guess that you think is leading to defenses having a little bit more success. What are they doing differently? You know, drop 8 became a phase for a little while. I think that's gone away a little bit. I think that from the offensive perspective for some teams, the running back position slash plays aren't, I don't know that 100% but I feel like sometimes right now,

like those downfield chunk plays and we've talked about it here internally, like the last couple years of being able to try to get downfield, you see more shell, you see teams saying listen, man We're gonna bend but don't break and we're gonna make teams be great in the red zone And I think like when you look back at the coverage schemes from these defensive coordinators back in the day ten years ago Even just 15 12 10 years ago. Yeah, it was it was much more single high It was more predictable to understand what they were in. And now you're seeing all these crazy different fronts and adjustments and blitz and back end stuff

that you wanna be able to try to take shots downfield. Sometimes they're not gonna let you, but it's real, it's there. And I think that right now teams are okay with saying, you're not gonna go downfield and then we're gonna make you be great in the red zone and self-inflict with turnovers, penalties, et cetera. So it'll be, it is the league cyclical.

I mean, it's always, it's always kind of changing and maybe the run game comes back for more and there's bigger runs there. And then it brings more guys in the box to take shots, but that's what I feel like. Nice. All right. Makes sense, baby. Makes a lot of sense to me.

92% is one of my favorite coaches of all time, baby. Yeah! Matt and Aggie, thank you for joining us, brother. I appreciate you, man. You guys are the best. Coach, thanks so much for joining us. Yeah, man. Appreciate the time, dog.

Appreciate the stories. Appreciate y'all, man. I'm just lucky. Appreciate y'all. We'll see you in a few weeks at mini camp, coach. You got it, man. Get back after this thing. Yeah.

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