New Heights with Jason and Travis Kelce - Chiefs' Streak Ends, Mahomes Injury, Rivers Reactions, Eagles Blowout & Playoff Predictions | EP 170

Episode Date: December 17, 2025

92%ers, welcome to another episode of New Heights brought to you by Allstate!  On today’s episode, Travis gets candid about the end of the Chiefs playoff hopes, the Mahomes injury, and how he’s approaching the last three games of the season.  We also react to the Eagles blowing out the Raiders, Grandpa Rivers making his first start since 2020, break down the race for the one seed in the NFC, explain why we want NFL Half Time shows to feel dangerous again, argue about the quality of Midwest tacos, and more! Watch and listen to new episodes of New Heights every Wednesday during the NFL season and follow us on Social Media for all the best moments from the show: https://lnk.to/newheightshowYou can also listen to new episodes ad-free on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. ...Download the full podcast here:Wondery: https://wondery.app.link/s9hHTgtXpMbApple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-heights/id1643745036Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/1y3SUbFMUSESC1N43tBleK?si=LsuQ4a5MRN6wGMcfVcuynwTake holiday gift giving to new heights at https://homage.com/newheights. Send something to the New Heights Mailbox. Don’t be weird though. C/O New Heights Productions135 E OLIVE AVE, BURBANK, CA 91502Support the show: ALLSTATE: Checking first is smart. So, check https://Allstate.com first for a quote that could save you hundreds.REESE’S TREES: Grab REESE’S TREES today, found wherever candy is sold. AMAZON: Shop holiday deals now on Amazon.ROKA: Hit up http://ROKA.com and use code NEWHEIGHTS for 20% off your order. AUDIBLE: See the 2025 Best of the Year at https://audible.com/bestof2025DRAFTKINGS: Don’t miss out on all the action this week at DraftKings! Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using http://dkng.co/newheights or through promo code NEWHEIGHTS.Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER. Help is available for problem gambling. Call [phone] or visit https://ccpg.org (CT). Must be 18+ years of age or older (19+ in NE, AL) (21+ in AZ, MA, VA). Void where prohibited. Valid only where Pick6 operates, see https://dkng.co/pick6states. Void in NY, ONT, and where prohibited. Eligibility restrictions apply. 1 per new DraftKings customer. $5+ first Pick Set to receive max. $50 issued as non-withdrawable Bonus Picks that expire in 14 days (336 hours). Promotional offer is valid between1/25/2026 at 12:00 AM Eastern Time (ET) and ends 1/25/2026 at 11:59 PM ET (the “Promotional Period”). Terms: https://pick6.draftkings.com/promos Sponsored by DraftKings.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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19%ers, we've got another great episode. We'll talk about what's next for the Chiefs. Eagles blowing out the Raiders, the get-back game of everybody's season, and Old Man Rivers, getting in for the Colts. Before we get into that, we're going to get into some new news. New news. News is brought to you by Reesies Trees.

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All right. Now, let's get to some bold topics to wrap up week 15 in the NFL and unfortunately wrap up our playoff hopes. Chiefs 13, Chargers 16. What are your thoughts following the game? Well, first things first, obviously we lost our, we lost our quarterback, man. Patty Mahomes, our guy, our brother, our fearless leader, our face of the franchise. And to an ACL, and it's just, it's never easy seeing your guys go down.

We had a bunch of guys get hurt this past game, and we fought, man. We fought. We fought. We had some guys fight through some stuff. We had some guys, unfortunately, not make it back out on the field. And for the season to be going like it did up to that point, and we're on our last, you know, quest to try and keep our playoff hopes alive there in the fourth quarter. and on a freakish play to see one five go down like that man it fucking it it was almost like it was it wasn't real and um and the shit just sucks man um for a guy that puts in that much and um puts his body on the line week in week out and and you know makes this football world

uh he makes the best of it man by by how hard he works and it just it sucks man and then uh Obviously, we had some momentum going there with our guy, Garder Minshue, man, and I tried to find a way there at the end. And it's just things just didn't go our way up to that point. And, yeah, and that's the game for you right there. It's just things just, you know, when you need them the most, just weren't falling for us. And you've got to go back to the drawing board, man.

And we got three games left. I know we're still talking about this game, but the integrity of who you are as a professional. as a player. You got to love this shit, man. And Chiefs Kingham, we're going to give you everything we got. There's no question about that. There's only one way I do things. There's only one way Coach Reed does things. And if we're going to go out there and play some football, we're going to do it the right way. And keep trying to get this things fixed and end on the highest note that we can. Well, for the first time since 2014, the Chiefs are eliminated from the postseason,

which is an outrageous step. Over a decade of postseason play for, for the Kansas City Chiefs. I was thinking about this the other day. What was crazy being at the game, I don't think I've ever been in that stadium with you guys out of the picture in the regular season. No, you haven't.

Definitely not 2013. 14 was the only, my first year playing. That would have been the only one, but I don't. And there was only one game where we needed some things to happen and it didn't happen. And then we played the last game with our guy Chase Daniels back there, slinging.

Shut up. Yeah. So it's just wild. I mean, it was while being there, and, you know, I feel like it. And it completely different, it's a crazy, completely different year. That year we didn't have any wide receiver score touchdown. Right. As crazy as that is.

This year, we're, you know, numbers-wise, we're up there with some of the top offenses and depending on what category you're looking at, but just critical moments, man. All the games we've lost were one-score games, man. We were in it right there until the end. Yeah, one-in-seven and one-score games. even that game, up until the very last pick, I feel like you guys were going to, in my head, I'm like, oh, they're going to find a way to get it done.

And it's just because you guys felt like that, man. You guys have just done it so much. That's why when 1-5 went down, I was like, no way, this is what happens. Right. Yeah. I guess how do you approach the rest of the season? You talked about it a little bit, we're going to go out there and battle together. It's kind of unfamiliar territory at this point for a lot of guys in the building.

The guys that have been there, and I'm the only one that's been on the team long enough. to see us not make the playoffs or to play a game that, you know, you didn't have a future. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, it's obviously fucked up, but, but it's a new feeling. So all I know is to go out there and play my ass off and to show up and, you know, give my guys the best chance to win. And I think that's the mentality, man. There's an integrity thing here that when you sign up for the gig uh you're living out your dreams you're living out a kid a kid's dream that never got a chance to do this you're living out um you know man yeah you're uh you're playing this game obviously to win super bowls you're playing this game to be in those playoff scenarios and

stuff but at the end of the day man you're playing in the NFL yeah and that's a fucking blessing that's an honor it's an honor to be out there it's an honor to feel the soreness after a game because you're actually out there, you're fucking doing it. Yeah, you're living your dream. And no matter if you're getting the fucking ball thrown to you, no matter if you're blocking your tail off and you never, you know, see the pill, it's, it's an honor to be out there in a uniform playing for the guys around you, playing for your family, playing for the people back home that are watching you, then that have known you since you were a little kid

dreaming about this moment or dreaming about these. moments being in the NFL, and I'll tell you what, man, if there's a game to be a have, baby, I'm going to go out there and I'm going to love fucking playing in it, no matter if it's a game that in the playoffs or gets us in the playoffs or a game that, you know, seems like it doesn't have any implications of that. No doubt. Well said, Triff. And that's the integrity you got to fucking go out there with, man.

For sure. The other thing I always think about, whenever I play in games like this or seasons that have gone south you know even in the years where everything doesn't work out you still have like a team you're still close with guys and i always thought similar to what you're saying travel like we only got three weeks left of this year's team to play football like next year it's going to look different right guys guys aren't going to be back it's it's no two years are the same and you and you try to enjoy those the few weeks that you know you have together and yeah obviously the big thing looming is not only you guys out of the playoffs, but, you know, Patrick Mahomes.

Tairs his ACL in December. Usually that's an eight to nine month injury recovery. I've been through it myself. It's a rough one. You hate to see it end that way. You know what I mean? It was just a devastating, like, kind of final moment there. And Gardner went out there and battled his ass off.

Oh, you know, you know Gardner's going to do that, baby. That's just, that's how he's built, man. And we're going to fucking fight for him from here on out and then go out there and trying to win some ball games with my guy, G. And obviously it came out that the surgery went well. And, I mean, he's a warrior, man. I'm telling you, this guy's played through everything, battled through everything, has been crowned champion because he's battled

through everything. And he's going to battle through this. It's the only way this guy is wired, man. He's a fearless, fearless warrior when it comes to this football thing. And he's going to make sure that he comes back stronger than ever. and, you know, hopefully the Chiefs can get him back as soon as possible. I know right now it's kind of right around that week one or the beginning of the season next year. So I know he's going to be doing everything he can to get back out on that field for the Chiefs as soon as possible, man.

I love it, brother. He goes ahead of the Tennessee to face the 2 and 12 Titans. Yeah, man, we got the Titans. And the Titans, as their record may show, they've only won two games, but man, they're fucking playing hard. Hell yeah, brother. And they got guys on that defensive line that can wreck a game. Obviously, Jeffrey Simmons has been doing it for a while now, man.

I'm a big old mean dude up front. And we're going to have to find ways to be able to slow him down and make our guy Garner back, get comfortable back there. And from there, it's just mastering the game plan and getting out there and getting after it, man.

We do have this miced up video of you in Darwin, who had the game ceiling interception let's take a look at this we've had this we've had so many we're having to

the right for him he's bleeding man this is cool to see you transpiring you already know you already know the best one

come on now do your thing baby we've had so many battles man what a great dude man just plays the game the right way

the attitude the physicality the toughness I love it when you know you can you can get after somebody on the football field, they can fucking pick you up and body slam you and there's no bad blood. There's just, there's just a bunch of respect for how they carry themselves and go at

it. And obviously, Derwin's one of the fucking best ever do it, man. So it was an honor to swap jerseys with him and the honor to share the fucking gridiron with him, man. I'm a guy that I fucking love this game, man. I love it when I get to Goldbing is another guy that I watch on film. I'm like, that guy fucking plays this game the right way, you know? And he got me on a few this past game, it's cool that he came up and said all that, man. I wish him the best of luck the rest of the year, man. The question is, have you sent them to Jersey yet? Yeah. Yeah, I shot it over to them. Oh, nice. There you go. I still owe a few guys jerseys. So you still owe me a jersey, Jason. Do I? I feel like you have a jersey of mine. I've stole, like, three jerseys

from your house just laying around. So I might have stole somebody else's that you're meant to get out to them. Dude. I had like a mad dash of getting jerseys out to other guys late in much Start a note. Just start in notes of, like, reminding yourself. I don't remember the guys now at this point. But you'll remember them when you see them. You'll be like, oh, shit, I was supposed to get that guy jersey and just write it down. There's two guys.

I got no, I already, I sent him jerse, but I never got confirmation they got him. I hope they got them. My back guys, so I played in indie. I haven't gotten there. The jerseys over to them yet. Uh, sauce. Alec Pierce. Yeah, our guy, Alec Pierce.

Did he's a stud. I know. Let's keep this thing moving, man. Shout out to the Chargers. our guy Jesse Minter, Coach Minter, I should say. He's got those guys rolling. Obviously, I respect the hell out of hardball and what they've been able to keep doing over there, man,

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So shop holiday gifts for everyone on Amazon. on. Good luck, Trav. Want to move on to some of the other things that happened this past week? Yeah, let's talk a little Raiders Eagles. It's good. Man, so far, New Heights has played the Raiders pretty well. That's right they haven't scored a single point against either one of our teams. The Eagles 31, Raiders Zero.

Jason, thoughts on the birds? Obviously, it's everything you want to do against the Raiders, right? Like, you're playing a team that you know has been struggling and they're not very good, but you still got to go out there and perform. And, you know, I thought the Eagles offense did a really good job. I thought that the run game is something that we stuck with it, right? Like the first series, I'm always watching like, okay, what is this going to be? What's the plan today?

How many runs is going to be? How much shock and how much under center? Like, what's the flavor? And in the first series, I think they were like seven runs. There was a quarterback designed run. It was clear that they were going to stick with that and trying to establish a line of scrimmage or something I think they need to continue to do moving forward. And I just

liked seeing it. They pushed the ball down the field. They created explosives. It's everything that you want to see against not just the Las Vegas Raiders, but what this Eagles team needs to be moving forward. And then defensively, I mean, I think they held the Raiders to 70 yards on offense.

Like it was an all-time performance from the defense. This is what this team can be. You know, you, even when the run's not hitting early, you got to stick with it. You got to keep attacking line of scrimmage, keep making them defend that and then take your shots when they're there. And they did that throughout the game. And I thought that that was outstanding. And it's who they should be moving forward. And they got three games left, right? Two of them against

the Washington commanders, one of them against the Buffalo Bills. They've pretty much all but clinched their spot in the playoffs. They just need one more win and it's over. Really, one more loss by the Cowboys and it's over. So, you know, they're in the driver's seat. They're probably going to be the three seat. If they went out, there's a chance they can be the two seed. What I would like to see these last three games is continue to pound the rock. Get that run game going. It was going to open up so much more for the offense. And if these guys can go into the playoffs, feeling good, feeling confident, working with each other in executing these plays, I think it's going to help out Jalen a lot more. And with the way this defense is playing, this team can be very

dangerous in the postseason if they stay true to that formula. So that's, that's, that's, what I'm hoping to see. Dude, there's so much fucking firepower over there, man. Right? And a game like this, you see it all clicking, man. It just shows you what you got, man. And then you just build off of it. And it's crazy what one game of putting it together can do, man.

It can strike it up. There was a crazy stat out there that I don't know the specific stat, which I probably shouldn't be saying it if I don't know the specific stat. But basically after you win a shutout game, the following week, I think it's almost 50% of the teams lose that following week. Oh, don't tell me this, Travis. I'm just saying it's a stat to maybe tell the boys, text the boys, hey, yo, like that. That's so weird.

Why is that the case? It's a very weird stat. And it might even be more than that. Really? I think it was a staggering, staggering number of teams that lose that following week. I think it kind of just, it makes you feel at ease. maybe the game plan isn't as as crazy, maybe the game plan isn't

you know what I mean? Whatever it may be, the guys or the team that you're playing is like, holy shit, we got to get our shit together. We're playing this team that just fucking embarrassed another team. Yeah, all right.

Good luck. Hopefully we start changing that statistic a little bit better. There you go. Yeah. There you go. We helped that. Nice.

There we go. But this is what Gronk said about playing the Raiders, which is very, very hilarious. thing. Not very nice, but when you play the Raiders, it's like putting Neosporn on your cuts. They heal those wounds. It is true. I mean, the level of, you know, the level that the fans were at these last couple weeks, and understandably, you know, the Eagles had not been performing

well, but then all of a sudden you play the Raiders who, you know, have won two games this year, I believe. It has a tendency to, you know, make you feel good again. And it's a great way to put it by Gronk. I think the Eagles are smart enough to know that, you know, this, it was a great game, but they still got to improve and get better. But so much of playing well in the postseason is feeling good going into it. Yeah, that's a big part. I think the Eagles got some games here that they can feel good about, hopefully.

You know, they come out and put their best foot forward. They get into the playoffs with some momentum. So we'll see. Well, Jalen Hertz, 12 for 15, almost a perfect day. 175 yards, three tutties before being reprimed. place by Tanner McKee. And then Jalen, quote, after the game, he's always got one for us. Everybody needs to remember where I came from and how I'm built.

All right now. There you go. He missed around. I'm sure he's been hearing all of the stuff talking about it in the media. I mean, listen. It was a great bounce band game for him. Obviously, the game before with the turnovers and everything, very uncharacteristic of Jalen Hertz, it's not been who he has been largely in the NFL.

But this is what I mean. He's got 15 attempts. And if you were to play the whole game, have been more than that. But they did a great job of being a very balanced offense. And that's what they need to be. They need to continue. It's the best kind of offense.

Even if it's not working, you've got to stick with it. Because otherwise, these guys just don't respect it. They don't respect the line of scrimmage. They're getting into their zone drops easier. They're matching receivers right away. I came away this week and quite honestly last week, even though it didn't work out. We had the picks.

I came away from last week feeling like this offense is showing signs of going in the right direction. Let's prove that. And hopefully we got another game this coming week against the commanders. That'll show that a little bit more. There you go. Well, we got a LeBron stat of the game. Our guy at 37 years old in 255 days on top of those 37 years.

Brandon Graham became the oldest player in Eagles history to record a sack in a game. And we go, B.G. Grandpa Graham. Grandpa Graham. Everybody's talking about Old Man Rivers. We got Grandpa Graham on the East. He's going to fucking hate that I said that. Nah, BG don't hate nothing.

He's the best. I feel like he had more than one, right? He had like a great day. Yeah. Yeah, he had two sacks. Yeah. Doesn't surprise me one bit. Dude, he was, he was bawling.

He was in very vengeance form. Who was the oldest before that? Shit, it might have been Barney Graham. I don't know who else. Yeah, I mean. It was Brandon Graham, but 36 years old. He broke his own record. It's always fun when you start breaking your own records for old age.

There you go. I don't know if that's true, though. Well, you guys mentioned you guys played the commanders on Saturday. A little Saturday in December, baby. Those college games start kind of going away. And all of a sudden, NFL is played on Saturdays now, baby. Let's go. If the Eagles win or the Cowboys lose, the Eagles will become the first back-to-back

division winners in the NFC East in 20 years. How crazy is that? That is mind-blowing. Yeah. That is a competitive division. It's going to come to an end, too. I mean, it's absolutely bonkers. It's been 20 years since somebody repeated.

And, yeah, way to go, birds. Ha-ha, suck on that, Cowboys! What other games got flexed this week? How many? Usually, what, two or three games? I think it's two. Two games get flexed. At least two games get flexed just Saturday.

And actually, I don't even know if that's, they might even, they might have even had this scheduled because now they just know when December comes that they're going to start flexing games. I don't think it was scheduled because that's why they were surprised, right? Well, they're not the only game on Saturday. It looks like the Packers are playing the Bears later that evening. You guys do have the day game, though. There we go.

Well, 2 o'clock game. That's such a weird time. I don't like... It's Saturday. I know, I get it, but I don't like when they start at weird times. It's also could be West Coast because this is Brandon's computer. That is West Coast. That's Brandon's computer.

So that's a 5 o'clock start, which is still a weird time for a football game. I don't know that I like a 5 o'clock. One, four, or eight. Those are the time slots. We all know it. Stop fucking with me, NFL. You're so ridiculous. So what I'm reading is they flexed you guys out of the primetime Saturday and gave that to Packers Bears.

Yeah. They moved you to. Yeah. The Eagles Commanders game would have been a very weird game to flex into a Saturday game. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. All right.

That's what was confused. We figured it out. Live on air. Perfect. All right. Well, yeah. Short week. Well, good luck to the birds, baby.

Let's take our talents to the rest of the NFL and talk about some Philip Riverage is fucking back, baby. 44 years old, a grandfather, exactly 1,800 days since the last start. You went 18 for 27 for 120 yards, one touchdown, one interception against the Seahawks. Interception was the last play of the game. He's playing great. I think everybody, so there are a lot of questions throughout the week. Everybody, a lot of people were joking about it.

A lot of people were like, he shouldn't be happening. And I think he gave him their best chance. I mean, that's the reality of it. They're playing the Seahawks, one of the best defenses in the NFL. This has a play for five years. And he gave him an opportunity to win the game. They were winning the game when he left the field. So what is it, Leonard?

Riley Leonard, was he going to give him their best shot? What was Riley they were going to do against the Seahawks? We'll never know. I mean, I think we do, though. We can only assume. He wasn't going to go out there and play that well, I don't think. We can only assume. A lot of people were assuming that Phil was going to go.

out there and get sawed in half. Yeah. I mean, listen, I'm not going to sit here and tell you I expected him to play well or not. I was like, you know, I just can't wait to see it. I don't know what's about to happen. Yeah. And that's the excitement of the NFL. It's why we fucking love this goddamn league. He gets that ball out, though.

He did take some shots, so. He took some shots. It's the NFL. You get, there's not a single game where a quarterback is going to take a shot. Yeah, the one where the snap went high on him and he had to collect it. He got accordion by about three C-Mawks back there. I was like, come on, get up,

get up, Philip. Dude, that was a vicious one. The old accordion tackle. He literally pulled the cleats out of his trophy case. How about that? They're mounted up on the wall and he takes him up out.

He pulls out the old Johnny Unitas is. He just said, fuck it, I'm going to go lace these leather things up. That's hilarious. What a guy, man. High school team was cheering him on during the game. Let's take a look at this video.

But there is Phillips team, St. Michael Catholic, and Fair Hope, Alabama, having a watch party today. And he had the best post-game speech I've heard in a while. I thought it was outstanding. You know, hopefully my sons and those ballplayers that I'm in charge of at the school, they'll say like, hey, crap, coach wasn't scared. Nice, man.

There's more to the quote than what's here, too. You know, you're talking about, you know, you come in and you don't know. There's doubt in your head. And having the courage to go out there and fight, right? Because the easy thing is just sit at the house, right? That's essentially what you're saying. Easy choice would be to, hey, I don't got to give it a shot. I'm perfectly fine over here.

I thought facing doubt, facing criticism, going out there playing the way he did, and the message is that sense of the young men that he's in charge of in that area, as well as his own family. Incredible. And we forget a lot about what sports is about too often. And I think this is a great reminder by Philip. And Rivers was always that guy, man. For sure. And courage through the fucking world, you know, he's always been that guy that's played this

game the right way, man. And no matter what the record was, no matter what the situation was. was. Um, so I expected nothing less, but it's awesome to see him go out there and still be able to sling a slain the old PX skiing around, baby. Unfortunately, they didn't get the window. Yeah. Great job. Seahawks are a fucking great, good ass fucking football team right now, though. I'm not going to lie. I saw that shit in the preseason. I started seeing some guys flying around. Sammy D. is out there fucking making it, making a shake. Jackson Smith and Jigba. Dude, obviously he's got, you got, you get a guy that can get open on demand, man.

You still got to get him the ball. Look at Justin Jefferson. though. But he did with Justin Jefferson the year before. Now, Justin, numbers haven't been as great for him this year, even though he's still probably the same player. And Jigba balling out, one common denominator. He's got Darnold throwing it to him. There you go, baby. What other retired player should get back out there? I was thinking about this. Who else would be? Like, I mean, I know a guy is still trying to prove his athleticism and trying to dunk. Travis, I can't bend my elbow right now. I've got a loose body. This is, I can't even touch my head right now because I've got a loose body stuck in my fucking elbow joint.

We'll go and get that shit cleaned out, Jason. Well, that's, I'm trying to avoid surgery, Travis. We got to get some rehab going. Are we not rehabing? There's not a rehab. There's just a piece of cartilage that's floating around in there and it's stuck in my joint. Oh, well, yeah.

Jason, you got to go and get that shit cleaned out. I usually, I can find it and then like push it out of the joint. And that's, and it goes back to being fine. I can't do it right now. It's like stuck somewhere. I don't know if it's in the back. or in the front, but it isn't leaving. We'll go get MRI and figure.

I don't know. Anyway, it's not going to be me. What up? Who else? It's got to be a position that's not that physical, right? Dude, it's football. Aaron Donald. Bring him back.

Bring AD back. He could do it, no doubt. No doubt about it. Go on a Super Bowl run, AD? No doubt about it. Who else could go do it? Who else could go do it? I feel like Fletcher Cox could still go in there and give some snaps if you wanted to.

He's lost a lot of weight, though. He is. He's down? He's lost a lot of weight. He's doing good. He's doing good. How about a guy got big wit? Big wit.

Big wit? I mean, that guy's made to protect the passer. He gets out of his bed, being an NFL tackle. I think, fuck, we talked about it before. Shit, fucking Joe Thomas could go out there and play tight end right now. Tight end? That dude is fucking, he is choked. He is cut up.

A little blocky tight end? Dude, 100%. Gronk? Gron could, I think Gron could do it. He can give you, he can give you. you a bunch of games for sure what about any other quarterback could Peyton manning come up out of there I don't know what's the oldest a quarterback could go like the next stuff man like Kurt Warner get him back out there you think you go out there

and sling it a little bit hurt I saw damarino on the sideline what's Dan these days Dan Dan's probably not even interested he looks good though I'm just gonna be honest it's still no he probably still got that glow to him he's just he's just the I think we need to just see what's the oldest quarterback that They could go out there and function an offense. They're going to 64. Dude, I'll tell you what, man, I went to, speaking of Kurt Warner, I went to Kurt Warner's, his foundation event out in Arizona one year.

Yeah. And he always has ex-NFL players, quarterbacks, guys that could throw the ball. He had me come in there and we're the automatic QBs. So basically, you sign up for a team or you draft your quarterback in a seven-on-seven game. And I was playing quarterback. with a bunch of guys from, I think it was the military, if I remember correctly. But either way, you know who was out there fucking slinging it and looking like he was like large and in charge?

Who? Doug Flutie. Doug Flutie. Dude, Doug. I'm pretty sure Flutie still plays in like a men's like baseball league. He like surfs every day. Dude, I'm dead ass serious, dude. Flutie is still like peak athleticism, dude.

And he's still wired to like fucking. and lead the boys to victory. I promise you, dude. I feel like we should just go on, like, a old, like, quarterbacks just giving it one game just to see if they can make it through. You already know a 44-year-old can do it off the street, five years removed. Yeah. What other quarterbacks are, like, in that age, like, trying to think of guys that were like.

Like older than, older than 40. Older than 44, younger than Damarino, though. Um, like, I just saw Ben Ralthusberger. Like John Kittna? John Kittna. Kidna, Kidna was slinging around that same tournament. Who's, like Drew Bledsoe? Drew could, I mean, yeah, of course.

Aikman, could Aikman? Troy? He still looks good and in shape, and I don't know if he still got the lively arm. See, that's the thing, man. Personally, I feel like Rivers was, he was around his high school team. He was around, you know, he's out there. He's around the game. He's still probably throwing the ball around, showing the quarterbacks, the mechanics,

and how to get the ball out and stuff like that. that like he's got very unique mechanics i don't think most guys are throwing the ball like he did i mean it's still a fucking live arm you know what i mean he's he's he's he's always he's never like not had that so i think uh i think he's kind of stayed around the game enough to do it and i don't know i mean dilfer dilfer was he was down there and uh was a uab coaching gosh who was i'm trying to think of like who was the wave before peyton jo montana step out on the field for a second Joe Montagna? Dude, have you ever met Montana?

No. Smooth cat. Yeah. Dude, oh my gosh. I was like, dude, he had the aura of like a movie star, man. Like, he was just like the coolest dude I've ever met my life, man. It was so fun. 100%.

He could give you a game. Elway? Elway still slinging it around? He's been around the game. He's been over there in Denver as in the organization. All right. See what he's got A touchy subject

Yeah, we'll see Let's move on here We got some questions Who's winning the NFC That's a question Man It's really gonna be The Rams or Seahawks

I don't know What all these other teams Are doing in this list Right? Like Yeah, I think Rams take it I think Rams take it They got a little bit more

Of a veteran Feel to them right now Even though the Seahawks are playing fucking great I'm pretty sure They if it ended today They would have it Right

The Rams would Yeah I don't see them Now, the Seahawks did, the last time they played them, they lost barely, but Sam Donald turned it over four times. So, like, you know, it'll be interested to see who comes down out of that. But I just, I don't think it's going to be the Bears. I think the Bears are going to lose some of these games coming down the stretch. NFC North is going to beat the crap out of each other.

49ers, I think what Kyle Shanahan's done in that staff this year with all the injuries has been incredible. But, no, I think it's the Rams and Seahawks in that division this year. Packers just lost part. Parsons, which I think they're still a good team, but Parsons was the guy that, I mean, they went out and paid. They knew they needed a piece like that to be, you know, a four-down rush team and do all the interesting stuff in the back end that Halfley likes. And now they're going to potentially have to blitz a little bit more and mix it up to generate

the pressure or Rashon Gary is going to have to start playing like Michael Parsons, which he's got a great season, but a lot of that is because he's been out there with Michael Parsons. I mean, I think the Rams are the best team right now. now in the NFC. Eagles are right there. I think they're going to keep playing better. And I do think they're going to be formidable in these playoffs, the Bears. Ben Johnson is these guys rolling. What do you think of the Bears? I love watching them, man. There's some of those teams where you could just see, I don't know, man. I just, I love watching teams that have Eric B. Enemy as their coach. Eric B. Ames on the Bears? Fuck yeah, baby. I didn't know that.

Yeah, he's a running back. He's over there, dog. There's just some. And then my guy, Joe Tunney. I just, there's so much familiarity over there just from those guys and obviously hanging out with the tight ends and they got a young guy in Colson. They got a, they got a fucking veteran in Colt. I love watching the scheme. I mean, it is so creative and I just feel like there are a few pieces away, it feels like. Yeah. But you never know. Who else?

Packers. I think that's about it. But we do get to see the Seahawks and Rams play this Thursday. So there'll be some implications on how that. NFC and definitely the NFC West plays out here late in December, baby. Do we need to get back to dangerous halftime shows or halftime shows getting too fucking I just want to get back to exciting halftime shows. It doesn't even have to be dangerous.

That kind of goes in with it, but I hear you. I mean, yeah, dangerous is inherently exciting. But there's other ways to make it exciting. Like, I just, if I have to see another dog catching a fucking Frisbee, I am going to blow my brains out. Yeah, no, I hear you. Where is the creativity? I respect the fun, but why is it at the NFL halftime show? That's like a college deal.

It's a timeout thing. If there was one of them, it would be really cool. Or if the dog jumped over like a flaming bridge, I'd be all in. But it's just, it's not that exciting to me. Like, I can go to any park and watch some dickhead play catch with a frisbee and his dog. What is he got to be a dick cat? Did you see the Broncos mutton butt? Justin halftime show?

I did not. Let's see it. Let's check it. Let's see it. Let's see what this is about. Do you know what mutton is, Travis? Nope. Mutton is sheep meat.

Oh, this is hilarious. Wow, he's trying to ride it. Yeah, see how far I can go. See, this is what I'm talking about. This is new. This is creative. This is interesting. I've never seen anybody ride a sheep.

Yeah, see how long you can last. I'm all in on this. This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about. Yeah, I'm out. You don't think it's exciting to watch. the little kid ride a sheep for as long as possible? Not for the NFL halftime show, no. I think it's good. Oh, man, I am

completely... This is it's exactly the fucking dog Frisbee thing. The dog frisbee thing would be fine if I had never seen it. It's just that it's been done so much. Do something new. Do something creative. That's why this is interesting to me.

That's how people are making a living. They're going around stadium to stadium selling this. I know. And I'm saying it's that's why it's not good. This is what I'm talking about. Did you see this? Tidai, yeah, it's the first NFL half-time show of all time. You sign it up for that or what? I'm not doing it. I'm being too heavy for it. The most impressive thing about this entire thing isn't just a loop. It's how quick he stops. Like he's stopping once he's already around it. How did he stop that so quick? Look at how excited there.

I love this. Yeah. They probably had never seen. seen him do it before they were all like we'll he doesn't practice because it's very dangerous we'll see if he can nail it oh he's missed it every time in practice he almost broke his neck we gave him a neck brace this time see how he's got to lean forward he's probably leaned back one time and fucking off to himself i just think we can be more creative with the halftime shows you did it man you fucking did it dude i knew you could do it I'm not lit on this what is this the 70 1970, you're right? So good.

Let's bring the creativity up on halftime shows NFL. All right. Shout out to those mutton busting kids, man. I don't like shitting on kids unless they deserve it. And they didn't deserve that. So I'm sorry. But lamb. Lamb is meat from lambs, right?

Baby sheep. Yeah. Yeah. Mutton is the meat of a fully grown sheep. Why have we all never had mutton? Well, in some countries, they do eat mutton. Actually, Shepherds pie, traditionally made with mutton. Now we use beef because there's a lot more cows.

They probably still eat mutton in a lot of places. I've had mutton before. I've had a big high man myself. Tacos with Cam Scataboo! Jason, you got out of the house eating tacos in L.A. And then got called out by the Taco King himself. Who did I get? Oh, yeah.

Well, I didn't get called out. Maybe. No. We gave him a shout out because the way the taco was made out there in L.A. And Mariscoe-Hilisco was, it was flat and sideways. and deep fried, which I'd never had a shrimp taco with a quarter to two that was deep fried. Oh, my God.

Come on back out to Kansas City. I'll take you to a spot. Trust, I'm not, I'm not going to Kansas City for tacos. Why? Because it's the Midwest. I'm not, I'm going to L.A. for tacos. I'll go down into like Miami for tacos. I'll go to Arizona for tacos.

I'm going to Texas for Tex-Mex. I promise you, dude. You can find fucking multiple authentic spots. I'll give it a chance. I'll give it a chance. Yeah, with a bunch of flour tortillas. No. deep fried just the way you're thinking

all right i'll give them to try i'll give him to try shout out to rudies rudies yes that does not sound i'm not going to a taco spot called rudies rudies to napa to pour i forget what exactly it is you're not spent like hey this is noah's tacos i'm not going to noah's tacos it's authentic okay jason they give it to you on foil just doesn't look that authentic to me dude if it's a paper plate with some foil that's good They bring out fucking, like, gallon jugs of fucking salsa that they make out in the back.

No fucking sticker on it. No, they make it house made, but they bring it out in gallons. Pull up Marisco's, Halisco. Marisco's, Halisco isn't even a fucking word. I don't even know if that's how you pronounce it. Halisco. All right, that sounds more like a word. It's a taco truck.

That's where you get good tacos. Get out of here. Get out of here. Get the shit out of here. out of your mind. Get this fucking you are, get this out of my face. There's no chance any place in Casey is competing with LA street meat. Street meat. You brought you think street meats

fucking even coming close to it off. No, it's not. This it is. No, it's not. It is not where they come from. Look up where tacos come from. You want me to Google where tacos come from. Where tacos come from? Okay. This is ridiculous. I can't believe you're trying to compete with this thing. U.S. introduction to tacos. Mexican immigrants brought tacos to the U.S. where they were initially seen as street food. According to who? Name your source.

According to the AI. Yeah. Get the fuck out of here. I'm just saying, like, what are we talking about? Like, tacos are street. Like, it's a dish to be on the go. It's a fully encapsulated thing. The plate.

It's not supposed to be in a strip ball in Kansas City. I think you can find tacos anywhere. I'm an optimist. You definitely can. I'm an optimist. I will try these tacos. I just, I think that I will be beyond shocked if they all, we all know what that means, Jason. We all know what that means.

I'll try them. I'll try. We already know, you're kidding. They're right. They're not exactly what I think tacos should be. I will give them an honest assessment. I already know what your assessment is going to be. If they're legit, then I'll be honest.

It'll never be honest. 100%. It'll never be honest. Unless it comes from a taco truck. I'm always honest. Tijuana. You're not fucking going to like them. No.

I'd love tons. of trucks and tacos. I love El N. We're great. We'll do that at some point in the off season. Or soon. Who knows? We'll figure that.

Yeah, I'm not touching a single thing out of a fucking taco truck. What about the burger joint? The burger truck, franking it up. Kansas City fan. That was also in that post. That's my favorite L.A. Burger. What, that's your favorite L.A. burger?

You're fucking wrong. I'll fight you on that one. No, because burgers are street meat. They were brought here by the French to sell on the streets of New York. All right. Thanks for the shout out, Cam. I'm going to keep trying to eat tacos sideways without spilling them all over my lap if I can. Dominate the taco.

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And like division opponents on a short week is pretty wild to me. But I'm going to watch Niners Colts. I'm going to watch whatever Philip Rivers does. I've never been more excited for a player that's a phenomenal storyline this year. No doubt. He only chose to come back against the best defenses for some reason. So I'm pumped from my boyfriend. He did, right?

He's like Seahawks, Niners. Nineers are not the best defense. They're up there. They're not bad. Okay. Jason Kelsey with some takes. There was also that rumor that had the Niners beaten the Eagles the year that Brock Purdy's arm like got hurt in the NFC,

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Yeah. None of these other games are that intriguing to me. How are the Eagles commas. Bucks Panthers is super important to see who makes it out of that division. I just, they both are, I don't think they're going to be. Jacks Broncos could have some juice. because that's, I mean, I still just question the Broncos, and I want to see if the Jags are it against that defense.

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Because I've never seen a pack. like this ever in my life. And most of the older packs, there's not as much variety. Welcome to New Heights. This is what we're doing this week. Season's over, time to count cards. Wait, time out. This is legitimately a Pokemon.

So you weren't a fucking around. You weren't a big Pokemon fan. I was the Pokemon fan. I would out Pokemon you in a fucking Pokemon minute. You don't even know how to play. You ought to actually play? Yeah. Of course he doesn't.

That's what the cards were for. Yeah. I just had them in a binder. I didn't know how to actually play. Oh, look, Jason. belly bolt that's a new one i'm not familiar with that guy if it's not one of the original 151 i don't i'm so it's not in red or blue i don't i don't get it's not canon to me i'm sorry for whatever nerd that pisses off sandrew okay i know that one kind of looks familiar

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