New Heights with Jason and Travis Kelce - Coaching Changes, Wildcard Recap & Jameis Winston on Giants Rookies, QB Celibacy & TD Catches | EP 175

Episode Date: January 14, 2026

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The question of the week is, and y'all got to answer this. Oh, I love this. Come on. What is your favorite James Winston quote? Favorite James Winston quote. How lucky are we to be here in Cleveland, Ohio on this beautiful day? Come on, you kidding me, man. So happy and grateful to playing some snow. Bro, it just makes me crack up every single time.

That's the best. Yes, man. I was happy I was able to represent for y'all six. Let's go. Time out. What's James Winston's favorite James Winston quote? Let me X me. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, welcome back to New Heights.

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We got an amazing playoff episode. Wayoffs. I'm a little less excited, obviously, the Philadelphia Eagles did not come out with the victory. We are going to touch on that. We're also going to recap an electric super wildcard weekend outside of the birds game. Break down a youth hockey fight because who doesn't love doing that? Look ahead in the divisional round of the playoffs.

And we're eating Ws because James Winston is here. Can you do that? I can't cross the two fingers. I can't do this one right now. I can't do this one right now. I jam my shit early on. Well, either way, we got James coming. One of the most electric guys.

Let's get into the episode right now with a little bit of that. that new news. New news. New news is brought to you by Hills Pet Nutrition. That's right. All right. 90% is we've got some massive new news. All right?

Massive new news. We're launching the new official destination for New Heights merch, including brand new exclusive collabs with some outstanding brands. I'm wearing this hoodie. I do got to say, I really enjoy, I'm big on texture. You know what I mean? I don't like when things feel synthetic. These feel real nice.

I like the collar of this shirt. I love this. This Lombie shirt is, it's heavy. It's got some girth to it. Just like Vince Lombie would have if he was a real person. Where is Vince Lombie at? It's in my garage. We got to get some more good use out of it.

Dude, I really do want to do some Lombie games, giving out gold cups. I think this off season, we got to have some fun with all this stuff. Come on. This is also a place where you can find and shop all of our favorite stuff. We call it the Kelsey Clubhouse. That's right. Kelsey Clubhouse is the official home for the 92 percenters.

Everything, New Heights, everything. Kelsey, all in one epic destination. And look at this right here. Got's got a beautiful, new heights, green. What a fucking dope layout. It's the best. I mean, listen, there's a lot of cool merch on there. There's a bunch of products like Travis said.

some of our favorite products that maybe not even associated with the show, just things that we like. You're going to see these brands on this page. But one of the things I'm really excited about this clubhouse for is we've thought about trying to bring this show to life. Like we do this show every week. We love that everybody tunes into this,

how the fan base that we built with you guys, the 92 percenters, and what are ways that we can continue to build this thing in a way that you guys have fun with it and feel engaged, whether that's creating T-shirts or things that, 92% of yourselves come up with, supporting things at this show and our fan bases encourage and like.

We're just trying to figure out a way to have more fun with it. And I think you guys will really enjoy it. This is the first official launch. I got the vintage pickup truck hoodie. I love that one, man. You already know the back of it shows the pickup truck and the license plate. It's dope, though.

No, it's dope, man. It's dope. This is what the back of it looks like. There we go. Boom. Nice. We got the all right now. New Heights all right now, team.

You already know. And we just, we wanted to do something fun for you guys and make it easy to, you know, go one destination for anything New Heights related. So go over there and check out the clubhouse. That is Kelsey Clubhouse, baby. Yeah. Check it out. We got some, are there any boyfriend whistles for sale yet?

Do we have any whistles yet? What about one hole straws or two whole straws? It's, we're brewing this thing up. All right, now. Now, let's talk pro standard. One of our first big brand collabs of the Kelsey Clubhouse is pro standard. Jake, you got some of the Mersh. Why don't you come on in here, buddy, model it off.

Jets Jake is first modeling gig. Look at this. This hoodie is nice. Nice it is. We got a nice, wash gray look. We got the T-shirt here, too. Jason, you were saying you like the textures. We got like a raised logo here.

A little bubbly. A little bubble letter. I was wearing this earlier. It's so comfy. It's unbelievable. Love it. Great job. This is maybe the highest quality thing

we've ever put out on the store. This collab is for the people. I love it. They're nice. Why don't you show off that LaBaby shirt a little bit, too? We got the Lombie. I was wearing this one. No, no.

Stand up. Stand up. I want to see a spin. I want to see a spin. You want me to spin? Yes. We're not selling pants, Jason. I don't know what I'm wearing under this.

Are you? We're just wearing underwear under this? Are you wearing a diaper right now? What else do you wear with the little baby? Are you dressed like the lumb baby? I'm not appropriately dressed to be modeling full body. I'll put it down. I disagree.

I think you look great. All right. Well, we're also announcing our first book. That's right. Can you believe that we're publishing a book? How about it, man. We're authors. Who would have thought?

We're authors. I don't even know if that's the correct way to say this. We're publishers. Yeah, we're publishers. Yeah. No Dumb Questions is now available for pre-order on the Kelsey Clubhouse. We're compiling all the No Dumb Questions that you guys have helped us build throughout these wonderful three years of doing this show thus far

so that you guys can enjoy these with friends, people around you. I don't know, you're taking a shit. Open the book. That's what I like reading. It's got all the best and funniest dumb questions we answered on the show, and it's in book for your reading pleasure. Do you remember that book that we have when we used to take shits growing up? there was like a book that had like

random facts and I would just sit there and like get stuck this is before you had your phones but you would just get sit there and you would get stuck on it I don't remember the random facts it was always a golf digest and a Tom Clancy book

or popular science popular science is one that dead like popular science was a good one yeah was it popular science or popular mechanics anyways all right well we don't have those but we do have no dumb questions you can pre-order it now and you'll be one of the first to get it when it drops later this year.

Yeah. Who doesn't love a no-dome question? Not right now. We have the book if you want to see it. Do you want to see it? I mean, I know. Sure, we'll see it. All right.

Let's see it. Ooh. Oh, man. Hardback. Hardback. Hardback. Hardback. How about it, man?

So go check out Kelsey Clubhouse at www. kelsey clubhouse.com. It's live right now. We're going to be highlighting some new great stuff every week. Listen, tell us, we want this to be an interactive thing. You tell us what you want. Like, what are you guys interested in celebrating this show with? How can we provide for you?

Yeah, we've got a lot of fun collabs, new products planned. So let us know what you think. Yeah, and honestly, we're really proud of this. And it's been something that we've been working on over the past year. Yeah, I think, listen, we've been working on this for a while now. We've been trying to build one hub. We've heard you guys. You guys like representing the show.

The 92%ers are freaking fearless and relentless in their pursuit to express their 92% on this. And this is what the shop does. And it's also going to, again, we want this to be a communication day. We want to build this thing together. We love having the no-dum questions, fan mail, like all the things that you guys do. The new collabs. And we love hearing from you guys on what you guys think. We're pumped.

Make sure you check out. Kelsey Clubhouse.com for new surprises every single week. And welcome to the club, 92 percenters. Hey, you. Did you want to do a dunk update before we wrap new news? I mean, I think it's funny. I'd like to hear, I'm genuinely curious if Travis thinks I can do it. You look legit as fuck.

I look legit? Yes. Look at that. You are up there. There is no reason why you shouldn't be able to dunk other than you probably can't palm a basketball. I definitely can palm a basketball. Well, I can palm it, but I can't contain it through a violent movement, like jumping and trying to dunk a basketball.

So this is my question. I can get high enough now. I feel like using my arms as momentum. What's the technique of running and jumping with a basketball that allows me to build this? This is why you see a lot of kids like throw the alley-oop and get it to right there and right there by the rim and then they just flush it. Right here, looking at you palm this fucking volleyball, it's great. You can't do a basketball like that? Um, I can.

The problem is I lose it at the top. It's that. It's that finger, isn't it? That finger is not helping. It's not helping. My dead knuckle. Damn it, man. Dude, you look explosive.

It looks like you got the footwork down right. It's just, I don't think you could. And then I saw you do it at the end of your. Dude, I got my weightlifting belt on. Did you see that? Take that fucking thing off. I'm trying to apply more force with the belt. So this is, you've lost about a foot of airtime.

That was a bad rep. We didn't show the ones that look good on there. We're trying to build suspense here, but I'm very close. You didn't even get to the rim, Jason. Mike didn't want to show the good one. I don't know what you want me to tell you. He showed the bad one. I'll take it.

The weight belt, I'm not sure if it was beneficial or not. I got all sorts of gadgets I'm going to try and use to get my fat ass up there. A weight belt is not it. Well, it allows you to apply more. force. No what does you. It allows you to apply more force. I don't care what.

You have to be able to use those hips to sink. I don't know. I'm going to try a squat suit. I'm trying to squat suit this week. I'm going to get my fat ass up there. You're not even going to touch the fucking rim. Dude, it's like a fucking rubber band. How would that not be able to jump higher?

It's not a rubber band. It's literally restricting your hips. Yeah. Well, listen, I'm not trying to actual dribble and do functional things. No, you're just trying to jump higher. You need those things. You need those things fluid so you can fire right now that that's good for a standstill movement that's not good what about knee sleeves what

about knee sleeves no you need you don't need these knees my knees hurt they might be able to provide balance that's what about get those outer hips going that's how you save the knees may get the should i take the tights off should i take the tights off no the tights are fine tights aren't doing anything all right the first half of this video is very legit though so i'll give you your props i think you might you're close you're way closer than i thought you're Yes, you bringing in all these fucking belts and fucking braces. How high do you think I jump on the vertex? Not just standing, just running and jumping.

Running and jumping on a vertex? No, no, no, I'm just talking about how, what height do you think I'm reaching? I'm looking at you getting like a hand length over the back, over the rim. So it looks like you're probably jumping like a 10, 5, 10, 6. Dude, 10, 10, 8. 10 8 and a half, really. Two inches, man. dude you know how important two inches is come on now create life for two inches

yeah if I had two more inches I'd be fucking I'd basically be a horn star at that point I mean if I'm all right man well so how long did it already start did the month start are we the whole month of January all right so January so January 29th I'm Duncan at a Sixers game. That's going to be the day that I'm going to try and do this. Half or during one of the timeouts?

I honestly, I don't know. I just know it's on the 29. 29. Dude, fucking, that's how you sell some fucking tickets right there. Well, I just,

I figured I'm going to try and do this for the first time. And, you know, we're going all in. It's either going to be maximum celebration and energy at the first time I've ever done this.

Or Philly will literally boo you off the fucking car. It's going to be public shame. It's going to be public shame, which I'm all, then. Either way, I'm going to feel something. Ah, man. Anyways, that wraps up. New news. New news is brought to you by Hills Pet Nutrition. Get into some super wildcard weekend that we just experienced. And man, was it action-pack?

We had a bunch of fucking great matchups. But let's start off with some bold topics that are brought to you by Intuit TurboTax. That's right. There we go. There we go. There we go. We are in getting close to the tech season. So yeah, don't forget that. You don't want to knock it at your door. Tell them that you owe him.

So nice, best wildcard weekend since last wildcard weekend is playoff football, baby. You're fucking kidding me. We had four games decided by four points or less. That's right. The NFL is, you know, tighter than it's ever been. In terms of the wins, losses, don't have to get into how many one-scored games I lost this year. the 12 fourth quarter lead changes in the first four games set up an all-time playoff record. How about that 12 fourth quarter lead changes?

That means teams are coming up big on offensive side of the ball and going back and fourth man. And God, it does create some fucking magic, man. It's been wild. Yeah, the fourth quarters and the lead changes have made them extra exciting at the end of them. The Bears game alone. That's the one that stands out. I mean, it's insane.

Soldier Field getting a fucking. Fucking dumb, man. God damn it, dude. That place looked like it was absolutely rocking. Are there two teams that hate each other right now more than the Bears and Packers? It doesn't seem like a dude. You know when they really hate each other is when the fucking two coaches, you can't hide it. It's like palpable.

Yeah. Like normally coaches, I'm so used to coaches. I kind of love it. I'm used to coaches like, oh, no, you know, we got a lot of respect for these guys. We don't want any bulletin board material. These guys are talking shit before the game. the handshakes of midfield is petty. I mean, this shit would, look at the fucking.

You love that shit. I hear you would love that shit. It's so fucking, I don't even know what to say about it. It's crazy. LaFleur's got to be fucking pissed. No, look at his face. It's tough, dog. But the bears have been doing what the bears have been doing, man.

Those fourth quarter surges, and like we were kind of talking with James later in this episode, man, some quarterbacks just have that ability to just fucking flip that switch and they get into that mode of where, you know, I don't have to think about this. This is do or die. I have to throw this ball. I have to make this play. And Caleb Williams came up fucking huge. Gave us some highlights that we'll remember forever.

We should just rename him Mr. Caleb, Dr. Williams or something. Like Mr. Williams, Dr. Caleb. Jackal and Hyde. What he was in the first half and what he is at certain times where it feels like he should be easier. And then all of a sudden at the end of games, when it has to happen, he makes some of the most insane throws I've ever seen in my life. It's like he just,

there's, and it feels like it's been like this all year. He just, he feels it out, he feels it out, he feels it out. And then the fourth quarter comes, and he's just like,

all right, I know what's going on now. And he's just like, he just shows up. And I mean, it was that, that fourth down where he threw the fucking, like off the ground,

through it, going left. Yeah. Crazy fucking, yeah. It's either, like literally the game is virtually over. if you don't make that because the Packers are in scoring position again already.

And it's like, man, just an absolute epic fucking throw. And to be able to fucking see this and be like, oh, yeah, he's open. I can put it somewhere. He can catch it. It's fucking crazy. Like how? And then what is it, a dooze for him to hold on to this fucking ball right here after he turns around? Yes.

Big time ball. He did. He got fucking schlopped. The Eagles got schlopped. Niners, 23, Eagles 19. Eagle season is over. Very frustrating game and season for the Eagles. You can tell everybody was frustrated in Philly, man.

Everybody that's talking about it, everybody on that team. It just feels like they just couldn't get it clicking, man. And I know they were winning ball games, but you already know, man. When it's not clicking, you got to find a way to get over that hump, man. It just felt like there was always something eerie about what was going on over there this year, man. And it definitely wasn't like that last year. Last year it was fucking Sequin and the excitement. Everybody's celebrating in the end zones.

We got fucking guys running down field, like running to celebrate with each other. It just felt like there was something off about that Eagles team this year. And unfortunately, it came down to the last play against the Niners, man. And shout out to Kyle Shanahan and those fucking 49ers, man. They are proven a year in, year out, man. Yeah, I mean, it's probably as bit, I mean, everybody's saying it now, so it's not like it's breaking, but the coaching job, Kyle Shanahan's done this year, what they've overcome as a team, what they have on defense, like what Sala has built, they are just a resilient, resilient group, and they have fought through all the adversity, and they've overcome it, and they find themselves in the second round of the playoffs, missing their best players on defense, like two, not just like guys, like, this is the best linebacker. And best defense event in the league, arguably. So it's, you know, offensively, they don't have their star receiver.

Iuke is out. Kittle has been in and out and just went down again. I love George Kittle. I'm wishing the best for him that sucks. Football is better when George Kittle is freaking out on the field. You know, they miss their starting quarterbacks out for eight games, and they go in Matt, Mac Jones functions. It's just that organization is doing it right.

They have been doing it right for a long time, and it's been impressive to watch. As for the Eagles, very, very, very. very frustrating season. Very, very frustrating season. Defensively played great and they, I mean, I know this game, they want some plays back, but all in all, the defense played outstanding all year. They overcame

so much. They got better. If you look at the difference of what that defense is paid, I think it's the lowest paid defense in the NFL and their production. It is absolutely insane. And a lot of that's because a lot of those guys are young. Players that they have brought in, Vic Fangio,

that entire staff over that, has done a phenomenal job, phenomenal job. Offensively has been the thing that everybody's been up and arms about. And I get it. I really do. The expectations should be much higher than what they put out this season. I know I made some comments on Monday night football. I do love Kevin Petulow.

I'm not trying to absolve Kevin Petulow of blame. Like, obviously they let go of Kevin today as the offensive coordinator. Well, I guess Tuesday, as you're seeing it yesterday. and of course, like the offense wasn't up to the task this year. It regressed. And the main reason to regress, and I've been saying this from the beginning, was the run game. The offensive lines inability to stay healthy all together to open up holes. Sequin Barclay was almost set the NFL record for rushing last year.

They were incredible in the run game. And the passing game, they struggled last year. I mean, there was all sorts of things happened in last season that we'd like to forget because we won the Super Bowl. But the passing game has been an issue for multiple seasons now. Now the running game isn't there. Why isn't it there? The offensive line is in and out. They're hurt.

Guys are overcoming injuries. They're not playing the same way they've played in the past. You have a quarterback that's not running as much. Jalen hurts, the threat of him running the ball. Can't stress that about it. It opens up so much for the running back when they have to truly respect it. And it also opens up things downfield. And they never, I know everybody likes to talk about the predictability.

And to be honest, yes, I would love to see more creative things. I love watching the trick plays. I love as much as I didn't love watching it in the game. You know, the trick play to McCaffrey was an awesome play, right? I like watching the creativeness. I like, I would love to see more motions. I would love to see all that stuff. That being said, we had plays to making that game.

I keep coming back to that. When it comes down to it, not talking about the fourth downplay, the 49ers had their opportunities to win the game, and we had ours. And we didn't capitalize on ours. We didn't capitalize the catches and the throws and the penalties that took back big plays. It was similar to how the whole season is gone. So it's a frustrating way to end it. Not that surprising with how they just were never able to get a lot of it fixed. That's, yeah.

You know, I don't know where they're going to go offensively. I think sometimes it's when you have success as a group and you have success as an offense, you tend to rely on that. Like, AJ Brown on a slant route has been automatic for four years. It doesn't matter what you do. Like, it's like, how do you, you can't stop it. He's too big. He's too physical.

This year, all that stuff just didn't work as well. It would probably behoove the Eagles to bring in somebody with a fresh perspective on where it's at. currently because when you're in it, you're thinking about what you've done well in the bad. You're thinking about how you've had success. It's like, man, I know this guy can do this. I know this can happen here. Yeah. When you bring in somebody else, it's like, man, this is where we're at now. And now we can bring in some fresh ideas. We can figure out a way to maximize things. While keeping that nucleus together. Of course. Yeah. I mean, I don't think it needs to be anything actually that drastic. I think we probably want somebody who's been proven offensively as a successful

coach and he could come in and look at things under a new lens with a lot of similar pieces. Well, the big, the big, you know, topic right now is that fourth down call. And we know that Devante missed the pass on that third and 11. They didn't get lined up fast enough or they were waiting to see what the defense might have shown to call a timeout and get the right play call going into that fourth down. And they end up going with what everybody's saying all line for verticals, which is those of you that don't know football knowledge, it's a play that everybody has ran their entire lives.

Like we ran that at Heights, and we ran it at Cincinnati. We ran it every offense. It's day one type stuff. And I think that's getting thrown at Petulow as like that's like, that's not the play call that needs to be called right there. If it works, it is the play call to be had right there. And I think that it's tough because, yeah, it's cover four.

That's not the best look versus cover four, but every play that you call has an answer. Yeah. And it's up to those players on the field to be able to make it shake no matter what. And I think, you know, it's easy to point fingers at the end of the game when you're on your last dollar. You're on your last play. This is your last chance to make it right. No, and you had a whole fourth quarter, you had a whole four quarters to try and get that win. And it's just, it's, it's a crazy, you know, scenario to end the season on knowing how much

fucking talent was over there. That's the thing. It's the highest paid offense in the NFL. And they're mediocre across the board. That's what I keep coming down to. The bottom line is this offense didn't live up to what it should have, right? And Petulah's the officer coordinator, bears responsibility. And so do the players.

That's my thing. I don't think the players played as good as they could have. And I love all those guys. And that's just the way it is sometimes. I had my seasons. I damn sure did. And, you know, how do they rebound from this? Where do they go from here?

There'll be new faces in. There'll be faces that are familiar, that are out, you know. And the thing with Matulow, the fourth down call gets criticized because, I mean, the whole offense was criticized all year. Now, I don't think it's fair to ever just put it on one guy, especially when the passing game. That's where I call bullshit. You can't just throw it on one guy.

Yeah, and Jaylon said it after the game. You know, I don't think right now is the time. to put it on any one person. Now, listen, he is the offensive coordinator. That is a responsibility. Well, it's not only to call plays. It's also to have the players play well. And that's the mark of all the coaches, right?

Jeff Stuyallon is the best offensive line coach in the NFL. That's his job is to get the offensive line to play well. We didn't play as well as we have in the past. Now, there's all sorts of excuses. Like, guys were hurt. Lane Johnson was out for half of the year dang near. Like, that makes it difficult. Again, I would like to see more creativity.

I think the Eagles tried to. tried to do more under-center. So like, if you're not going to do the gun runs with Jalen, you might as well get underneath. Because that's why the gun runs are successful. He keeps people honest. He's a threat to go run the ball. Okay, now we've got to get under center. Now we've got to develop play actions.

It's hard to develop all that stuff in the middle of the season. And it just never got to what it needed to get to. And the offense as a whole, just the players were hurt. Guys didn't play as well. Seekwon didn't have the same year because in part the offensive line wasn't as good. they were banged up. The run game is the main difference from this season and last season.

Still a fucking boatload of talent over there in Philly. And we got a boatload of talent still left in the playoffs, baby. Yeah, baby. Get to some of the other games in the Wild Card weekend. We already talked about that Bill's Jags game,

but that Rams Panthers game was just as exciting. A little bit more action on the offensive side. 3431 Rams, a friend of the show, Matthew Stafford, went to fucking work. It's so fun seeing that dude play the game. man, how he can manipulate the defense with his eyes and his shoulders and just like how he

casually goes through progressions as a quarterback in the pocket. It's just fun as hell to watch that guy go to work, man, especially later in the game when it all counts. Panthers almost pulled it off and I think that was the bigger story is that the Panthers actually gave the Rams a hell of a fucking fight. That was definitely the story. I thought that the Rams would win this game pretty handily. The Panthers kind of snuck in there. Hats off to Bryce. Put up fucking 31 points in a wild car game. He made a lot of freaking big plays.

Hell yeah. Yeah, Bryce Young continues to just improve and improve and improve. A guy that I think everybody was questioning whether he was going to be a bust or out when he got benched. What, two games in the last season? Yeah.

Has reemerged. And, man, the Rams defense aren't any slouches, man. They got some horses over there. Their front can get after it. So heck of a performance. I know it's not the outcome the Panthers wanted.

At this point, the NFC, I do think it's going to come down to the Rams. I think they're the most talented teams left. Seahawks, it'll come down to, like, if Sam Darnold can deliver, that defense is, oh, my God. They fly around, dude.

It is so fucking fun to watch them. Now, they've got to be ready, though, man, because, I mean, as much as we love to see how that team has played throughout the season and in big moments to feel like they're ready for these big moments, playoff football is, playoff football, man. It is just a different beast, and you've got to kind of have an understanding what you're getting yourself into. It's exciting to see, but Sam Darnold's a crafty vet at this point,

knows how to win some ball games, and I'm excited to see next week's matchup, man. I am too, man. I think, yeah, Rams, Bears, freaking 49ers, Seahawks, both of those games are going to be awesome to watch. And we watched a great game against the Bills and Jags. Jags almost pulled it off. They were like that Seattle Jew. They had the juice internally. Yeah.

And he had the excitement. they had they come up big and big times throughout the season but playoff football it just felt like the bills had a little bit more uh i don't know just had a little bit more the other day man and uh you know i think josh being in these moments before yeah i think that's a big part of it huge part of it yeah yeah and this is what everybody keeps saying i mean they i know josh gets a lot of the attention for the bills because it's the quarterback and he's the guy that's the biggest name left in the playoffs but i do i i know they beat the jags and It's a great win for the bills.

I just, I worry that this defense at some point and that Josh, I mean, the weapons they have offensively outside of the run game and Cook, it's not that significant. And like, how much can Josh really get done? Now, they got it done this week against the Jags. I'm always room for Josh. I love that guy.

But I don't know. We'll see. This will be a big one this week. Through for 308 and got that thing out to damn near everybody on the fucking offensive side of the ball. Nine different bills caught a pass. including Brandy Cooks, who's only been on the roster since November. So he's seen the field well, man.

What are they going to do against Houston? Make plays. They make plays, dude. I don't know, man. I just feel like they're going to struggle to get people open. Josh is a big dude, and he makes plays as a quarterback. It's just, you know, whether it's just breaking an arm tackle, you know, getting out of these sacks, you know, that's huge, getting out of the pocket,

making the defense have to play that extra, you know, six seconds. Yeah, I wasn't, I wasn't really talking about this week. I was more just talking about like... If they beat the Broncos, yeah. If they play Houston, they're not going to do anything. Well, the Broncos are so weird, man. Sometimes teams will freak of sneak up on them. Number one, see he's going to sneak up on them.

No, I'm saying sometimes teams sneak up on the Broncos. Oh, yeah, I hear you. Their defense is really, really good. But every once in a while, it's like, I don't know, Houston's defense is like fucking insane, like across the board. It's about as legit as it gets right now. And the Broncos are really good as well. That's why's playoff football, baby.

It's the best there is. The best there is. Patriots Chargers, not. that exciting, but Patriots came out 16-3. Everybody was looking for Herbert to take that next step, man, drops to 0 and 3 in the playoffs.

Huge Herbert fan over here. And he was trying to make plays with his feet, but it just, at the end of the day, just didn't go well for him, man. There were a few, what was it, four downs that they came up short on. They've been so banged up front. They've lost both of their star tackles. Yeah, he was back there.

Fucking rocked. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. What you want the guy. to do. We've seen it before, but at the same time, it's like, man, he's, he's a fearless competitor. Yeah, my guy Milton Williams is running around unblocked. I mean, they've had to try and overcome that all year, and it's a testament to them to even be here with some of the pieces that they've been missing up front and how good that defense is as well. Jesse Menard, there's a lot of credit for what he's built over there as well. As somebody who played both

of these teams, what do you think of that matchup? Broncos got to show up in the first half. Not that they didn't against us. I'm just saying, like, they're notorious right now for for finding ways to win at the end of the game, they have to show up in the first half. It's just you can't win in the playoffs by not by like not putting together four quarters. Unless you're Caleb whoops. I stand corrected.

I think the bills being a veteran team kind of trumps some of that. You got to play all four quarters against the bills. You know, you can't, you can't let Josh Allen get up. He's a, he's a tempo controller. You know what I mean? And he'll for sure. And he'll absolutely wear you down as a quarterback man, both in the past game and run game.

And he's starting to make like, Over the past like three, four years, he's been making the right decision. You know what I mean? I think if the Broncos come out, you know, making plays, Bonix comes out, throwing the ball down field, early being confident in his read. This is going to be a hell of a fucking game. Yeah. And that's what I'm hoping for.

And if you're Denver, man, you've got to wrap that dude up, man. You've got to find a way to not let Josh Allen get break tackles and get outside the pocket and not only make plays with his feet, but make plays with his arm outside of the pocket because that's when you can really get fucking torched. Well, the other game that we had this past week and is the Texan Steelers game, I was at that one. Score 30 to 6 looks waste more severe than what that game was for the vast majority of it,

which was a defensive battle between both teams. The Texans are just so loaded across the board. Pittsburgh's front is incredible. The Texans, like, every level of that defense has dogs all across it. It does. Tomiko Ryan's and Matt Burke, the defense coordinator, have them playing physical. If CJ Stroud can stay composed and poise, this team could be the best team in the FACC.

That's the reality of it. Like last night against Pittsburgh. It's kind of all in his hands right now, man. Dude, I don't want to put it on him. And I think CJ's a great player. But it's like, dude, this is a year where it's like, dude, just freaking, you got some you got some guys over there. You got some dogs.

Don't make mistakes. Your running back ran last night. Holy shit. Yeah, Mark's... He was getting down fucking hill. When you got that kind of physical game and you're getting pockets like he was getting, man. Yeah.

It's all on the big guy, man. And obviously we're huge fans of them. I had my opportunities to meet the guy, great guy and great player, even better guy on top of that. And he's just, it's all in his hands right now the way that defense is playing. Listen, it's going to be Texans versus New England. We're going to see the young quarterback that everybody likes,

including me, Drake May, up in New England, face the best defense in the NFL. NFL. I can't wait to watch this game. I really can't. Points are going to be at a premium in this one. I don't know where it's going to go. And it'll be fun to see between CJ and Drake May, who can get it done. I don't know, man. This Texas defense, though, that's what I'm the most excited to watch. Even bigger news than the Texans beating the Steelers is Mike Tomlin stepping away. Okay.

Tomlin stepping down means the Steelers will retain his trading rights. He was not fired. That's interesting. The most recent coach that was traded was Sean Payton. Yeah, yeah. He was for a first and second round pick. This is all news to me. I forgot coaches were even tradable. Do you remember the one that happened in our childhood that I was like, that ended up being crazy?

Wait for it. You got it. Wait for it. Another guy that did TV for a long time. Bill Cowher. No. John Gruden. John Gruden was famously traded from the Oakland Raiders to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

I didn't have know that. And then he went back to the Raiders. He won Super Bowl and then at some point went back. I think the trade happened before the Super Bowl, which was from Oakland to Tampa Bay. Pretty sure. Are we doing this podcast? Are we doing this podcast? Is anybody listening to him?

He was traded. Sorry, it's snacking. He was traded to the Bucks and then met the Raiders in the Super Bowl. Yeah. It was the year after. But he went back to the Raiders after. I'm just making sure it was... He did Monday night football for like 10 years

and then went back to the Raiders. Yeah, I mean, it'll be interested to see what happens on Mike T. Hopefully he does great in TV, which I'm sure he will because he's unbelievable. Charisma, baby. No doubt. Moving to the divisional round, which one you pumped to see the most? Bills at Broncos on CBS.

We got the Niners at the Seahawks up there and the land of the 12s on Fox. And then Sunday, those are both two Saturday games, and then Sunday we got Texans, Patriots, Rams at Bears on. than any night football. Yeah, I mean, the game I'm the most excited for is the game that I'm going to actually be at, which is going to be the Texans Patriots game. And I do think it'll be a game that'll be full of excitement. I do, I'm looking forward to May versus this Texan defense to see

how he responds and how he operates. He's been incredible. He's been poised. It's going to be hard to be poised against these guys. Two defensive touchdowns against the Steelers, man. The one that I'm not going to that I am excited to watch is Chicago versus the Rams. I think it's going to be an exciting one. I also just like watching both those scenes. play like i like Sean McFay i like Ben Johnson i like watching all the design i like puka nakua i like watching Caleb Williams i mean it's it's it's a lot of things that will lend itself to just be in a fun game to watch i'm sure i'm fucking pumped on this bill's broccos game i'm so pumped that it's the first one we get to fucking see it's going to be on

cvs on saturday josh and bo nix kind of play the game similar in my eyes you know obviously two completely different athletes bow is he's every bit of exciting, especially in his early years because he still hasn't reached that pinnacle yet. And this is an opportunity where he can kind of start to cement his name among the best quarterbacks in the league, man. And I'm fucking, I'm excited to see that matchup. Yeah.

That wraps up bold topics brought to you by Intuit TurboTax. Don't forget to do your taxes. Let's wrap up this episode with some stamps of the week, which is brought to you by HBO Match. Don't miss the new Game of Throne series, A Night of the Seven Kingdoms, premiering this Sunday at 10 p.m. Eastern on HBO Max. And for my stamp of the week, I'm keeping it in the family.

Go to not, Mom? Dude, I'm going, Mom all day. Did you watch this? Oh, yeah. She killed it. She was doing great. I mean, I know she got eliminated, but... I was so proud of her, man.

She looked like she was having a blast and enjoying it all. And for all of you that don't know, Our mother just did traitors. And she was the first ever secret traitor that the show has ever had. And, yeah, showed everybody what she's got. And it was just so cool to see her in this moment. And shout out to my guy, Ron Funch's for, you know, sticking by her side and being kind to her. Kind of got through for a loop.

I'm sure he probably felt a little a certain way. after he found out that she was the secret traitor. Yeah. But she got eliminated in the early episodes. But man, it was just so fun to see her out there living out her dream. Given the world a beautiful message about, you know, being fortunate enough to do these things at her age and where she is in life. And it's just so cool to see her live in that moment, man. I agree.

No, I thought she did fantastic. Like, I know she was eliminated, but I think it's really hard to go into those shows. as like an outsider. You become like an easy target to try and maneuver in that show. So I thought mom did a great job. I loved watching her in it. I thought she was way more deceitful and devious than I thought mom could ever be, which was surprising.

That too. She stood her ground at the round table. Oh, yeah. And it was just so cool to see. And shout out to everybody on this traitors. I'm going to stamp some kids because who doesn't love stamping kids that are getting into fists and cuffs together. Let's take a look at this hockey fight.

been making the rounds. I don't know if you guys have seen it, 92 percenters, but who doesn't love a good hockey fight to begin with? Oh, look at these kids getting after it in the corner. Wow! You messing with my boy? I love this. Come here.

Oh, they go down. Where's the rest? Once they go to the ground, the rest got to get in there. Oh, no. Oh! Where are the reps? This is insane. Oh.

Are there no refs on the ice? What happened? It's just got to be cleared at this point. Right. Oh. Dude, throw it haymakers. Come here. Come here.

Is anybody using their stick? Good job, kids. Don't use the stick. I love how the goalie came in out of nowhere with the right hooks. He seemed like he was about it the most, man. This is so epic. Doesn't it just take you back? Yeah, who doesn't love kids beating the shit out of each other?

I mean, that's one of the favorite past times of playing a hockey player. It's the best. Dude, the best part of playing. At this age, gloves and helmets, those punches aren't fucking doing it. You're not even feeling it. So for those of you that don't know what locker boxing is, when we play hockey, You would literally go in the locker room. You would put your helmet on and your gloves,

and you would just do this for fun. You would just make your shit out of each other. Let's go. We're already sweaty for practice. Let's fucking go. Come out there with freaking a black guy and coach, like, what the hell we got to do? Well, we just locker boxing coach.

Anytime a goalie's getting in, you're getting a stamp of the week. Golly fights are the best. Let's go, baby. Dude, there is something electric about just getting into a fight. I love that hockey players just do this. Let's give the people a show. Let's go. My guys need some juice.

I need to, I need to throw some hands. And you're the only one. It is so epic, man. Fuck, I love hockey. That does it for Stamp of the Week. Brought to you by HBO Max. All righty. Let's give to some James Winston.

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Our guest today is a 6'4-Hiswin winning quarterback from Bessemer, Alabama. He was the first pick in the 2015 NFL draft from Florida State University. He's a pro-boar, BCS national champion, and the greatest dub eater. We are so happy and grateful that the Lord has blessed us to be podcasting with the one and only. Mr. James Winston. Yes. The greatest W. Eater in the world. No, man, I'm grateful to be here with y'all, man.

No, just y'all aura, y'all essence in the fact that y'all are changing cultures and generations as brothers, man, united through y'all. Y'all work on the field, y'all work off the field, man. It's truly inspiring, so thank you. Thank you so much. Bro, you have inspired the entire NFL. You are notorious for your speeches, for your game. It's so cool to just see your career.

transpired to where you are today and to see you just like full of life you know what I mean this NFL world could beat you up man you just keep you know fueling everybody with the energy and you and I just love it man I appreciate just who you are as a man so thank you for thank you're jumping on here dog we're about to have some fun though man you told us earlier you're on the norma text dog is the body feeling good the body is feeling great man I just you know my one of my one of my OGs and quen bold and he always said it's better to stay in shape then get out of shape and try to get back in it, man. So I'm always standing on top of my body.

Ever since you shared that with me, you got to say, you know that. Y'all both in the trenches, you know what I'm saying? I get to sit back and throw the ball because of you, Jason, and I get to throw the ball to guys like you. So y'all in the trenches. So y'all obviously got to stay on top of your body, but it's the least you can do, man. That 1% every day is so important. I got to ask you, did you catch Wild Card weekend this past week?

Man, you know I did. All right. June then. A lot of young quarterbacks. Yada, a lot of young. quarterbacks. Who impresses you or who impressed you the most this first weekend? Man, I got to go with Drake, you know? It's because like, okay, Josh, Matt, they did it in the time where they're supposed to do it. Like, they know when the ball is in their hand at the end of the

game, you guys are franchise quarterbacks, you have to come through. But I just think the consistency that Drake May has played with this entire year has been impressive, right? Like, especially Like his office coordinator just got fired last year. You know, his head coach, you know, was they parted ways a year before. And he's coming onto this tour. Mike Braybaud, I got a chance to spend some time with him in Cleveland. You know, he didn't know he was from Cleveland. For him to go there, right, with a young quarterback after the year that Drake had the year prior

and to have them in the position that they're in now, bro. It's like with all the cloud, the great clouds that's been around that team this year. And the quarterback still shows up and shows out, man, and gives that team a chance to win against a tough defense now. Like, the L.A. Chargers is a tough defense. I know. Right. And like, you know, you see a lot of young quarterbacks winning, like, those big games wait for four touchdowns.

And, you know, but very, very rarely are you seeing quarterbacks of this generation. Winning the games where things ain't going right early. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? He's playing four quarters of football, you know, and that's what it's really about, you know. It ain't just a splash place here, splash face there, but Drake May, man, he continues to impress me. I love it.

I love it. You brought something up there. I want to just touch on, you brought up, you know, he's got a new offensive coordinator. How many offensive coordinators have you played for, James? One, two. Four to five, man. Four to five, maybe six or seven, six, seven. I need to stop doing that.

But a lot, bro, a lot. So you've been in a bunch of different systems. Can you tell when an officer coordinator is just dealing in a play call? I know what it feels like in the run game where it's like, man, it just feels like it's all clicking. What's that like as a quarterback? Like, can you tell during the week it's like, oh, we got some, we got some things designed for these guys coming up? Or is it like an in the game moment where you're just like, oh, no, he's rattle them off. I think this is the sense.

And I know you guys know this because our offensive guys. Like when we go out there and execute the first 15, like, okay, we know, we got them. Like, we're supposed to execute that. Yeah. Yeah. What shows me if we're really dialing it up is when the coach pulls something that was installing OTAs. Yeah.

And I'm in a hold on. I'm just like, hey, hey, hey, give me, I write, you know, 30-7 boo, whatever. Yeah. And it hits. Oh, yeah. He is his bag. Yes. I know that one down to install.

Yes. And it's a feel, right? Like, you know when a guy has a feel or if a guy is just, like, I'm just calling what's on this play sheet, right? I'm not looking at what. the defense is actually doing, I'm calling what's on the playoff. And I think one of the best play callers that I experienced was with Sean Payton. And he had this

feel because he played one, he played the position. He played the position. I play with two guys that played three, three. Because Sean, Ken Dorsey, and Byron Lefich. He did this thing in Tampa, too. And we had some historical, yeah, right, a very historical year. back to Sean and Byron, they had the ability to sense what was going on, what actually was happening in the game, not what we scouted out during a week,

you know, not their tendencies, but they saw what the defense was doing. They were able to say, okay, I know what they're doing, we're doing this, and it hits.

Yeah. You know, and that's a beautiful feeling as an offense. Hell yeah. I could not agree more. I love you saying, you know,

ripping a play that isn't on the gameplay. You haven't practiced all week, but you, it's one of those ones you've you've, you reped in OTAs, you should know how to do this against every defense. So I was like, why not? Like, if you think it's there,

don't waste any time. Who the hell cares was on our second and ten play calls? Like, just freaking rip that one out. One thing I always, like, when I talk to, like, office coordinator is like, why do you see the McVease and people like that that literally run the Andy Reeves, that run the same play over and over again?

The defense can't stop it. Yeah. And then you have guys where it's like, hey, well, we already showed that. So did it? work? Did that play just work? Yeah.

So we're saying in this one game, this is the only time we get to run this play against this team because we know we ain't going to carry it over the next week because you're saying we ought to ran it once. Yeah. Like why not run the play that's been working for us? Yeah. I hear you. You know, and I think as an officer coordinator, I, you know, I got a lot of respect for them

for them to to have that much confidence in their bag. That they don't want to run the play. And it just worked. I got to ask you on the flip side, though, if you ever, you ever been in the huddle, you just hear a play call and you just know like,

man, I don't know about this one, man. It's a pretty big down right here in the game. I don't know. I can't hear you. I can't hear you. All right, boy, this is what we're going to do. Those moments have came up.

But, like, I'm, I'm a persuasive person. You know, you got those people that they write the narratives, you know, they write the persuasive essays. They write the derogatory essays. I'm a persuasive essay writer. Okay. So when the play is getting called in to me,

even if it sounds like straight poo, I got to make it sound good to everybody else. You got to. You know what I'm saying? Because I'm one of those guys, like, I'm a believer in, like, I'm obsessed with it. Like, okay, we put it in the work. Like, if the play is poo, I get it.

I come to the sidelines, you're like, please don't call that again. But if you call it, like, I'm going to find a way to execute this play. We got to. You know? We've got another way. It's been numerous eclipse. that I've seen you, Jason, have to change your protection.

I don't know. It ain't no way. We slide away from this guy right here. And it's been thousands of plus while I've seen you, Travis, know your black plus to have a simple sale right. And what you do, you feel zoning, you just, you're a little here right there. You know, give me the ball.

You know, but that's what it is. It's not just capability. It's the capacity to know, like, this is the right thing. to do. Like I know what I'm going to get here. So I'm capable and I got the capacity enough of the work that I put in that I'm going to make the right decision. I'm going to help this coach be a better coach. There you go. I'm just doing whatever you want me to do, James. That's all I'm doing. I'm doing it. I know you want me to hook it up right there. I know you want me to hook it up right there. I love that. And that's why that's why you win. That's why you win a lot.

Speaking of your old coach, Sean Payton, him and Bo Nicks are rolling right now, man. They're rolling right now. They got the bills coming in hot. Now watching Sean Payton's offense this year, I don't know if you've seen a lot of it on film and just been peeking at what they got going over there in Denver. But can you see similarities and stuff he's transferred over or is this like a whole new world

because Bo Nix is just a different type of quarterback? Well, Bo is from Alabama, so I got a lot of respect for him and he can do it off, right? But Sean has really been in his bag this year, man. Like the amount of plays that he's been able to move the pocket for Bo. The amount of yards that they've been able to create on the perimeter by just getting the ball out of Bo's hand and letting the receivers get yak after that, Sean is a situational

guru. And I have to commend Bo on this. Bo probably hasn't had the most efficient first, second, and third quarter this year. He was way more efficient last year as a rook. But in the fourth quarter, he and Sean Payton have been finding ways. to win the freaking game. And I think that is what, and that's what I've talked about,

these young quarterbacks with Bo and Drake May. Like, yeah, okay, you can win the game. Well, you can tell, like, people put the quarterbacks, game managers, right? Like, but at the end of the day, when it's third and seven, and you know the defense is going to be a man, right? You still have to make the throw.

Like, it's not going to be, oh, you manage the game, like, just check the ball here. No, you still have to make the play and Bo Nix have been making the plays for the Denver Broncos to win games. Oh, yeah. You're speaking, bro, you're speaking truth to me. Jason's gone on rants about this already. Well, not even just like Bo Nix and Drake, but Caleb last week, right, against the Packers.

Why does a quarterback all of a sudden become more accurate on harder throws? I want to ask you this. Why is a quarterback all of a sudden more accurate on harder throws? Is there like a sense of like, I know I got to put this in a thing? And you like lock in more or is it just like that's the way this guy's wired? It's the rouse on air effect, right? Like some quarterbacks, I would say this, Sam Bratford was the most accurate quarterback I ever seen in my life. Okay, all right.

Seven on seven, there was not, you were there with him. Oh, yeah. There was not a ball that touched the ground. Yes, yes. Right? But once you get into a game, like the anticipatory throw that you make in with pressure in your face, unorthodox movements, I think Patrick is elite at this, being able to throw the ball and be accurate from a different angle. that's just God-given talent. And that's just that it factor that Caleb Williams possesses

where, like, he likes chaos more than he likes stillness and peace. Seriously. No, that's what it looks like. No, seriously. It's almost like it's like boring to him. Like he's got, all right, I got a comeback route. And then all of a sudden he sails it. But then all of a sudden, he's running to his left on fourth down.

And he puts the ball in like a freaking four by four window down the field. It's insane. Because it's no thinking to that. Right. When a guy's wide open, man, we have to think, well, oh, my goodness, I can't miss this. Oh, it's too late. Yeah. But when this fourth down, oh, that fourth and eighth throw that he made moving to the left.

You got to throw it. There's no making that decision. You know what I'm saying? So, so it's either going to look amazing or it's going to look bad. You know? And iconically, like, he's made these plays against a similar opponent, right? Because at the end of the season when they played Green Bay in his fourth quarter, was amazing.

Like, it's just something to a quarterback being able to not turn it on but fall back into their training. I have to ask you this, man. It takes, it takes guys to have the most ridiculous backstory, one of the best careers ever, to get a 30 for 30, like, in their 50s when it's all said and done and everybody's looking back, you literally have a 30 for 30. 30 times and 30. How crazy was that year and the roller coaster ups and down?

You were out there firing it, man. Well, Travis, bro, again, I had a coordinator, right, Byron Lefich, and one, Bruce Ariens, we go way back, bro. I'm talking about, like, Little League football, not Little League, but like middle school football. Like, he used to have these camps in Birmingham, Alabama, right? Because his son was a kicker at UAB, UAB in Birmingham. I think Cincinnati played against him.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He used to have these camps. So I knew Bruce and I knew his mentality of the, you know, the no risk and no biscuit, no biscuit. No risk and no biscuit. And, bro, and like, and I took that because I love Bruce, I took that to heart, bro. So I was going, I got Mike Evans. I got Chris God. Let's go.

Like, we got to let this ride. Like, we got too much talent to be holding on to the football, you know. Unfortunately, the ball ended up in the defense hands too much, you know. And, you know, that still sit with me. But, you know, that was a contract year for me, man. And that was one of the most up and that. years off the feel that I had in my life, too, man. I just, I just asked my wife to marry me, man.

And I'm, I was, I was doing this freaking celibacy thing, like literally refraining from sex, man. Bro, I bought, like, like, my parents were talking me about shacking, like, in the South shacking. It's like when you living with, with your significant other, you know, in a house. Like, we had to eliminate that. Bro, I literally bought a property and stayed away, you know, from my, from my house. You know what I'm saying? Man, you were wilded up back there in the pocket, man. It was so much going on, bro.

Don't take a black light into that house, you know, dude? It was the first year, and you guys, you guys know, it was the first year in my life that my dad, my dad wasn't coming to any of my football games, bro. His brother, my uncle had passed. He was going to do some things with COVID. And my grandmother passed a year before. So he was, my dad was dealing with some things, man.

So just spiritually of the family, like we just were going, going through it. And I was having a great game or I was having, you know, a not so great game. And it was coincided what was having off the field. And that's why when I talked to these young athletes, I asked them like, man, what are you consistently doing outside of the building too? Because if you are consistently being up and down outside of the building, it's going to come on the field. It's going to come a time in a place where in the players, we can see, our teammates can see it better than anybody. You can see when somebody is locked in and when somebody is going through something.

And I'm the person where, like, I'm obsessed with it. So I'm overly locked in. I'm trying to go overboard. I'm trying to make every throw because of what I'm dealing with off the field as well. I got my first coordinator that's played the game, like by and the left, which, man, he dialing it up. He's doing his name, man.

I mean, we broke records, right? Yes. I'm trying to impress him. I got Bruce Arias, a guy that showed me my very first Super Bowl ring, right? And I'm doing everything that he's telling me to do, right? And I tell everybody, I'm like, man, go back and check the tape. I told him at the end of the check the tape. See how many, no, see how many of those interceptions was really like joint efforts.

We were installing a lot of those plays in Philly. We were watching a lot of James Smiths in that year. He was like, man, look at this dude's doing down here. You know what I mean? We were electric, right? We were electric. And obviously, everyone knows like, okay, offensively, we got to make the most about our possessions, right?

Because it hurts everybody. It hurts everybody. Offensive line when we drive the ball down the field and boom, you throw a pick. The thing is about this, interceptions do hurt, right? But how we were growing as a team was so inspiring to see. Our defense, our defense wasn't lights out at the beginning of the year. But toward the end of the year, they just were like, hey, James, I got your back. Like, we got you.

We know you're going to let it fly. Like, we got your back. Look out there. I'm going to get your one, Jay. You know what I'm going to get you one, Jay. You know what I'm saying? I'll lock it down. Like, that started to happen.

And then, you know, boom, poop. They get Tom Brady and win the Super Bowl next year. It was going to happen with me. But they decided to get Tom Brady to make a scene like it was him that did it. You know what I'm saying? And Grunk and AB and Lennon Ford Nett and Tristan and Tristan. I'm going to stop. The team really was a super team.

You brought up advice you have for young quarterbacks. You were the young quarterback. right now in New York. What's it been like operating with Jackson Dart in your role within the Giants? Obviously, you're doing great. You're in the player engagement room right now. Like, what?

I love this. Talk about commitment. We're like, what, three weeks into the off season? Most people are, what, Hawaii right now? My man's in the freaking player engagement room. But it's the vision of, okay, like, man, I didn't have a lot of short seasons, right? I only been in the playoffs once.

You know what I'm saying? But through this entire reign, I'm just like, man, like, what can I do from an obsessive state to stay engaged? Like, I'm going to keep training. I'm going to keep preparing. Like, I want to play and win the Super Bowl. Yeah. So I'm not going to be out the building. I'm not taking the trips to Cabo, like, right after the season.

You know what I'm saying? Now, if somebody got a job from me, you're going to make some money from my family. You know, I go do that. You know, but, like, I'm like, bro, like, I love this. Like, it's still football season. Do you know how painful it is? And Travis, you got to deal with this sum this year because it's been a long time since you.

And Jason, you dealt with a lot last year of you deciding to stop playing. When you put in everything, man, and you started from OTAs and, you know, these teams have a one-year lifespan. And then just out of nowhere, everything just stops. The preparation, the sweat equity, the togetherness, it just stops, man.

So that hurt. So I try my best to just try to do as much as I can with what I have and assimilate me preparing for the Super Bowl. But let's talk about Jackson Dart, man. Come on now. You know when a dog walk in the room. You know what I'm saying? You know when a dog walk in the room, man.

And since when he first stepped foot in this building, man, he's been a dog, you know. And I just really value, like, his work ethic. Like, yeah, I wish I could have seen just. the sweat equity he was put in with Brian Dable. And I know Dave's got fired, man. But like those guys were tied at the hip. Like, because he is obsessed with football. That's awesome.

And anybody that's coming in to be our head coach, you got to know that you got a guy that wants to win. He's going to win because he's special. But he's obsessed. And it's in this day and age, man, you got people that are more, they're more worried about what they get from football than focus on what they can do for football.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You know, like, it's that old JFK quote, you know what I'm saying. That's not. Ask what your country could do for you. Ask what you could do for your country. Yeah. That's the type of kid he is.

Like his family he comes from is just a great wholesome family, man. He's just, he loves football. He's a dog. I'm just trying to work with him about calculated risk because he'll run over a safety. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's been a few times. You already know. You see those collisions, man.

Look, linebackers are D-Lyman. Look, we're not talking no smack to no D-Lyman. Because your offense line got to pay for that. And we're not trying to run over no linebackers unless it's fourth down or the end zone. Can't take them on thick. You got to roll. You got to roll a little bit when you hit them.

You can't just take them on straight up. You're going to jack up your AC joints, man. But I'd rather a young quarterback be bowed than be scared. No, for sure. You'd rather say it. You sound so sure. I'm so glad you said it. I don't want to talk trash to the D-Lynolds.

line because that offensive line got to feel that. I still remember getting ready for an NFC championship game. And my man, Brandon Graham's in there. And he's talking so much trashed to Dexter Lawrence. I'm like, bro, will you shut the hell? I got to wipe this, dude. I'm trying to rub this dude up. What are you doing over here, BG?

But I'm riding with my dog. But I got to ask you this. You just said your goal is to win a Super Bowl. What is, what are you doing to realize that goal? Like, what's it going to take for James Winston to get to a Super Bowl? Obviously, there's a team and all that stuff, but everything that you can control. What are you doing? Yeah, the biggest thing that I'm doing is speaking life into my teammates, right?

Because a lot of these young guys, new generation guys, they look for affirmations and stuff that let them know that, okay, like, they're, I'm where I belong. Yeah, reassurance, yeah. And that's a, that's the simple thing that I'm doing is being impeccable with my word, right? Because it starts with, it starts with one, it starts with a plan, right? And my plan is to be impeccable with my word, be a man of increase in a business. in a building so everybody can attract that and then they go out and do it out there on the field. Right.

The second thing is just me doing what I love. I love playing football, man. Me going out of damn working. You know, and hopefully they see me working when I invite them to come get some of this extra work for the betterment of both of us, they join me. Right. And that starts with just culture.

Like we're building that we're going to go to extra mile. We're building that we're willing and able to do anything, you know, for some success. Right. And the third thing, which really should be the first thing, is just instilling faith into my teammates, man. They're like, they hear for a reason. Like, this ain't no coincidence that they hear. It's so challenging to see these confident, moxie young athletes just not really believe. Yeah. Not believing something that's bigger than them, man. Amen. Amen. And those are those, that's just what I take pride in because I know how it is to be trying to please a man, to please somebody else, man. But it is nothing that competes with knowing that I fight from victory and not for victory

for what God and what Christ has did for me, right? And me instilling just those kingdom values, kingdom morals and them, it's going to at least help them be a better man when they get off the field. And one thing my trainer always say, you know, being a better football player would never make you a better man, but being a better man to make you a better football player. So that is what that's not my impact. You're going right into coaching, James. You got too many in the bag.

You got too many in the bag. Amen. You got me wanting to go strapping back up right now. But it's sweat equity. Like, you put in that sweat equity, man. You know what it is to win Super Bowl. You guys are Super Bowl champions. And you know it's those little things.

Like, I haven't been privileged to be a part of that. You know what I'm saying? But y'all have. So y'all know that 1% that you put in? Like, my question is to y'all is like, how do you continue to like reciprocate that? How do you allow that message to just have a great vibrational frequency and not be stopped by by people that don't have that mindset?

Because every year, you guys done it on multiple teams. So you've done it with new guys. It's not like college, well, you got dynasties and all this stuff. You guys have found a way to win with multiple guys. So how do y'all, what's y'all approach for welcoming and inviting other people but that don't have the mentality that you have is not cut from the same cloth as you and transforming them into being Super Bowl champions.

You want to start with the trailer? I think you've already hit everything that I could even, you know, bring to the table is you just got to show everybody you love this shit, man. And you've got to show it every single day by your attention to detail, by how you show up to work. Your energy when you walk in the building

is my hood on or is my hood off and I'm ready to rock and roll. And I'm looking everybody in the eyes and I'm like, you ready to get this shit? You're ready to see this. install you ready to get after it today. And just having that sense of urgency and that integrity to come in to do something that you absolutely

love. And, you know, not everybody plays the game for the same reason. I understand that, but when you show up with that integrity and that work ethic, like, it's staying true more than not that guys will find that that as something they want to be a part of. And they'll see how you're doing it. And they'll look themselves into me and want to do even more, you know. And that's really the biggest thing is setting that culture from the top down, making sure that everybody's doing that

from the coaches to the players to the first guy, the guys that are on the field to the guys that are on the practice squad. Everybody's got to have that love and desire every single time and alertness and the attention to details as they welcome to the building there.

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You got to tell us about this guy, man. The world doesn't know. enough about him yet. Let me tell you something, man. Look, I was, and this is going to be a perfect example for this. For Cam, it is. Do y'all know what Cam from? No. I wonder where Cam's from. I feel like, go ahead. Arizona? Cam is from Sacramento, California. What? Okay, there we go. You never in the world thinking this man is from Sacramento, California. Would have never made the connection, And that puzzling that y'all had in your eyes is exactly how I was puzzled when I saw him. Man, when I tell you, look, so I was watching Lilo and Stitch with the kids, right?

And you know how Lilo is in this other land, but, you know, he steals the ship to escape that land because he's about to go to prison or whatever. And he just finds his way on the earth. That's what Cam Scadabotterbo is. He is from a football kingdom somewhere else. and somebody just dropped his crazy ass on earth. And said, go run that peel. Because that is how he plays, man. He plays with a passion and a desire to kill, to hunt.

And when you, bro, this is what got me. So I told Scott, you know, I was warming. We had these conversations because, you know, we had Russ in the room. And Jackson, he's young. Just bless him. He said, you know, Cam, you know, Scott is about the same size as Marcheon Litch. and Russ gave him a little. He said, he said, he said,

Marshawn's thigh is the same size. Listen, and I double it down. I was like, yeah, I was like, Jackson, I don't know if he, come on. Now, you can't just bring him to piece a mole. Like, he told that rock, he's tough, but come on, he ain't the same size. Man, when he played, when we play against Kansas City. And him and Nick Bolton met in that hole. And, you know, Bolton built like a refrigerator.

truck. You know what I'm saying? He is grounded. He is put together. And when he ran over Nick Bowen in that hole, I said, okay, this white boy right here is something serious. I said, he right here. He has something serious. I don't know if he ran them over, but he took the way. I got to ask him about it. You know what I'm saying? Like it was, it was a statement where I was just like, man, he's fearless, you know, and immediately, you know, people started giving him the names Peyton Ellis, Mike Allstock. You know what I'm saying? They white, why, why No, no, man, he is toned that pill. I say it, not the size, but like Earl Campbell, man, he's putting his head in there, man.

Yeah, yeah. And he's going through guys, man. Like, Bo Jackson, like, he don't got to speed like, Bo. But I'm just saying, man, he is putting his head down and falling forward, bro. Yes. Like, and Jason, you respect this. It's a difference when a running back can give you three and when a running back can make three turn it to seven. That's a big time, man.

Because you know in the fourth quarter, that seven going to turn it to 12. And that 12 is going to eventually be a breakout run for us to really step on their neck. And that is what he gave us. And honestly, y'all talked about Jackson and we talked about the hits he took. But having a running back like that is what took some of those hits off of Jackson. Yeah. Right?

Because Jackson felt that he had to bring that to the team. Yeah. Right. But that's what Cam was for this team. He was that enforcer, a younger force that was confident. Like one of the funnest stories, man. So against the Eagles, when it was winning at Kelloggreen, I love that Kelly Green. Oh, my God, it's one of the most beautiful.

Jersey in the world. Okay. We're playing against the Eagles, and he runs a little choice route, man. He gets right with the exact one falling on his ankle, and he fractures his angle. Man, Greg Van Ron is out there trying to help him up. And he said, scat was there. He's like, help me up. Oh, help me up.

He's like, I don't think so. Like, your ankle is going. He said, but the guys, I just said, "'Hu me up. I got it. And that's the toughness that he possesses, man. Man. So he is from a different planet, bro, with his passion, his enthusiasm,

and really his love for football, y'all. It's crazy. It oozes out of them, man. One more thing from this past year. You kind of did your best version of a tight-end impersonation here this season. Can we pull up this clip? Can we pull up this highlight?

What's going on in your head when this play gets called in? When you're running it? Like, give us to start to, start to finish. So the start to finish was, I just hope he'd give me a chance. You know what I'm saying?

When they talk about giving number one receivers and number one tight-ins the ball, all you guys do is give him a chance. No risk it, no biscuit, no biscuit, baby. And when we see this double reverse pass, when I toss him this pill, I'm just like, man, I know I'm about to score a touchdown. I've been weighing on this moment my whole life.

And as I run down that sideline, I throw my hand up. Oh, he ran he bossed him. And that is called attacking a. football, and that's called rat. With the filet at the end. It's incredible. It's incredible.

Oh, my God. I was waiting for that moment. You know what I'm saying? Hey, that was good eyes by that D-Lyman. He real was a linebacker, but he can't guard me. He can't guard me. He can't tackle you either. Uh-uh.

Oh, man, that was fucking electric, man. I wish I was the commentator, the media person to ask, you know, the defense, the defensive coordinator about, you know, hey, coach, you know, what do you think when the New New York football, Johns did that raw receiver pass and went, well, you know, it doesn't matter what you think. Pull a rock on them. You know what I'm saying? Let them know.

It don't matter. Oh, my gosh, man. Did you know where the camera was? Did you feel the camera over there? It is pure cinema. It is one of my favorite clips of all time, man. Because you definitely don't expect you to be able to make a play come back to the ball. Then you give them the hat in the field.

shake them, get them off you, come into the end zone, finger roll, get excited with the teammates, and they just right into the camera. It's so epic every time I watch it. I got the confirmation from my boy in Detroit. Devin Funches, he from Detroit. Shout out, yeah, D'Funches. I said, hey, man, like, when I scored a touchdown, like, I really want to hit a dance. He said, you know what to kill Detroit?

He said, do the boss up on him. I said, aye. So in the night meal, I'm talking to, we got Nick Jones who played for Kansas City, who's also from Detroit. Oh, yeah. He then bought everybody some wings right from Detroit, this wing spot. So I'm, I'm chewing on some wings, you know. I say, hey, Nick, he said, yeah. I said, man, what about this dance right now?

When I scored a touchdown tomorrow, I'm going to do this dance. So I show him to dance. And he said, oh, yeah, he said, yeah, the city really going on with that. So I had to put on for the city, man. I was grateful for that. Dude, that shit was epic, man. I appreciate y'all. I got to ask you as an eagle.

You played us twice this year. Season just ended. A lot of questions about the offense. I mean, I know you didn't probably watch a lot of Eagles offense. What did you see? Okay, all right. Well, the main thing that I saw was we can talk about simplicity and offense. We can talk about all that stuff.

But Jalen Hertz, he finds a way to win games. And the running game wasn't as prolific as it was last year, right? Jaylan then used his legs as much as he did, you know, in the years prior, you know, when you went deep into the playoffs. So it's that balance of, okay, we know Jayland, he likes space, he likes things being open. Like, how can we put him in the best position for him as well, right? Like, how can we protect him, right, because you need your quarterback, but also use the gifts that he has.

And one of those gifts is his legs. And I just don't think that that catered enough to him because I feel like that balance between having to stop Jalen Hurts and stop, say, Quentin Barclay, was, it was tough, right? But I don't think defense has really feared that this year. They knew they were like, okay, they're going to try to protect Jalen. And I don't know, I haven't talked to Jailen. I don't know if he was dealing with an injury or anything, you know,

but I just feel like y'all dominated the trenches, really? Pass blocking-wise, y'all still, that office line still is among the top in terms of past blocking. But in terms of running game, your running game was not as prominent. as it has been in the past. And I think it starts, like, you know this, Travis, because Andy is adamant about establishing a run game. Yes, y'all do everything with quick games and stuff.

You know it, man. Exactly. He depends on that run game because that's what takes the wheel of a defense. And I just think that offensively the Eagles didn't have that, that factor where they are going to finish games with the run. They did it against us. Tank viz, Bigsby, he had a great day. But when crunch time came, when the Eagles are,

up, like, it should be a win, especially in the fourth quarter. Right. Because they can run the football. Yeah, I wasn't able to run the football as effectively. Yeah. And another thing, man, like, and I love AJ and I love Jalen. You know, but it's, it is kind of, it's a beautiful thing to see Jayland, Devonta, what they do outside of the numbers.

Because you know it's either a go or stop, and if it's second and short, it's going to be a slant. Like, it's a three route. minimum, three-rock minimum that they're doing. And the execution that they have in those crunch moments, it has to be above 90%. Like, I'm not throwing 50-50 balls to A.J. Brown. I'm throwing 90-10 balls to A.J. Brown. I'm not throwing 50-50 balls to DeVonters-Smil.

I'm throwing 90-10. Like, you know, Travis, you know this. When it's crunch time, all of us together, no matter the, the, the, the angst that we have with each other, all of us have to produce when our team need us to produce. It ain't about who getting targets, but the defense know what we're going to do.

We know what we're going to do. And last year, again, y'all executed it on those one-on-one opportunities on the outside. Right. So I don't think it's rocket signs, right? Like, one thing about Jaylen, we talk about me and the amount of office coordinators.

Like, Jaylor hasn't had continuity, and I know it's probably the same scheme, but he hasn't had the same voice for a year, like for multiple years in a long time, and that's challenging as a quarterback. To get different coaching points, to get a different word. Like, when you don't have that discipline, when you are a disciplined quarterback, Jaylon is very disciplined.

He's straight and narrow. For you to have different voices every year when you're trying to lead a team to the promised land, it's challenging, man. It is. It's so challenging. I think you're hit it on the head, man, because I remember the last year, and the run game with Sequant, obviously, 2,000-yard rush. I mean, you can't substitute that.

But teams are going to adjust. Teams are going to adjust to how you're playing them or how effective you are with it. But I remember in the Super Bowl, man, even when we were trying to claw back and have any chance there in the second quarter's, the third quarters, man, we get it in a third and medium, third and long.

And he would use his legs. And it wouldn't just be for a first down. It'd be for a huge gain. And all of a sudden, they're in an opportunity to kick a field goal. and we just had them on a third and manageable in, you know, in their own territory. So it's just being able to, I don't know, just him being able to use his legs is, it's night and day, man.

It's a happy balance, right? Like, there are calls where the quarterback moves to pop. Patrick has a lot of those. A lot of them. Well, he's moving the pocket, right? Well, he's putting the defense, like, because if you pressure him, you got a risk that we're moving the pocket and you're pressing in the area that's vacated. Yep, right?

And if we play zone, now it's the two-ed-th store. Now he can beat us with our legs. And God forbid you play, man, now our back is turned against them, right? Like, I believe, like, it's some creativity that can be, that can help Jaylen perfect his craft, man, because he is an elite talent. Like, you see the accuracy. You see the ability to win, the tough game and the big game. But now he needs continuity for once. like every great quarterback than had continuity.

Like you can't tell me a quarterback that's been freaking, you know, flipping OCs. That's what he's doing. He's flipping OCs like real estate properties. You know what I'm saying? Like, it has to be important for the organization and for him to have a similar voice, man. I don't think it's fair for him, you know, Jalen in terms of his quarterback. And I know he's okay with nothing phases him.

You know, he's a very disciplined and structured guy. But from the outside looking in, you know, I told you this, Jason. You know, I grew up an Eagles fan, so I'm room for the city of brother love to win. You know what I'm saying? And not when they play against us, you know, but outside of that, to win, right? Yeah. And for their quarterback, for this to be their franchise guy, you have to make an effort

into at least catering to his needs. And I think one thing that's required is for him to have a consistent voice that he wants, that he loves that allows him to be in his element. I love everything you're saying right there, man. I really do. And I agree with it. I really do. The one thing you brought up, man,

like the, it's not even just the, like the new play caller and getting a feel for that. It's just the verbiage, too. Like, I was so lucky to have Stout for a long time. I would like, we,

like, we're on like our third different head coach. And I'd be calling a blitz, what we called it with Chip Kelly. But because we knew what it was, like I'd be on, hey, they're bringing a,

they're bringing a wasp, right? Yeah. And like, the other coach is like, what the hell are you talking about? And it's like, oh, we're talking about the free safety. Will. A lot of that gets like homogenized in your brain.

And for a guy like Jalen, like in the moment, like even just communicating with guys, communicating with your teammates, that's hard when the verbiage is changing constantly. I haven't ever thought about that. But it was hard for me. So I know what's hard for him. He's been doing a lot. One thing I wanted to ask you because I think that's a great point because obviously, Travis, like you, you reach that pinnacle and you still going.

It's crazy how you freaking still turn it up. My verbiage has been the same since I've been in Kansas. I don't know what you guys are talking. I experienced it one time in one of the Pro Bowls I played in. I had to go in there and learn a whole new office. I'm like, bro, I'm not running any of these routes. I'm just going to see whatever covers there. Mac Jones was throwing me daggers that I was supposed to be running.

I'm running go routes. But to that point, Jason, you've experienced three, like, you had three different head coaches? Four different head coaches. so you know what a head coach looks like. You know what I'm saying? And for us, for the Giants, us being in this position that we in, like some people aren't blessed with having a head coach for the majority of their career.

You know, some people have different regime changes, but you've won two Super Bowls with two different head coaches. Yeah. What are those key qualities of a leader in a head coach that teams should be looking for to win football? football games because that's what we all after. Yeah.

We are, because I, this is my, my perspective. My perspective is like, hey, like, we're all self-policing. Like, it's our team, right? Like, no crap. We don't want out there doing it. Sure. Right. But, like, what does these men or what does your team have that kind of makes up for a head coach

or what does that head coach have that allows a veteran guy, a veteran person to your status that has a foundation that is established in his role. What makes him want to follow a new coach coming in? That's a good question. Man, I think I was really fortunate in Philadelphia. Although we had a lot of coaching changes, we had a great locker room and a great building. And Jeffrey Lurie, Howie Roseman,

it all started with Andy Reid, really. And I learned from, you know, Brent Selleck, all these players before me. And there's a sense, of unity and like a honestly because I was drafted to Philly an unrealistic like idea of loyalty from the organization. I never got cut. I never went to another organization.

I was only in this one. And I think between me, Lane Johnson was that way, Fletcher Cox was that way, Brandon Graham was that way. Philadelphia, even through the changes, they did a great job of retaining pieces. Like Jeff Stoughtland, I had four different head coaches. I only had two offensive line coaches. That's rare that offensive line coach stays through head coaches. It's rare that Duce Daley stays.

I think the organization does a great job of keeping pieces. So Philadelphia has always had this like tight, like mindset and like the locker room. And that has always been well established. And then when a coach comes in with some fresh ideas, a lot of energy, a moxie to him. And he's surrounded with other great. coaches and you already know how he's going to build. Like, I mean, what allows us to what Super Bowl? We had some pretty damn good players.

Like, that's the reality of it. And the coaches, Doug was a player. So he knew how to navigate, especially like older players who knew what they were doing. He was great in top of building that energy and that motivation, infusing belief. And then on with Nick, it's the same way. We didn't win one with Nick. We went to one with Nick. He won one last year.

Nick is very good, one of the best at coaching in the team meeting. A lot of times I get into the team meeting, I'm like, man, what are we going to talk about today? What's going to happen? Nick is so good at maximizing and communicating to the team, situational ball, little stories that I feel like sometimes are made up, probably a lot of times are made up. But they get you going. They get the Jesus going. They set your mindset, right.

At the end of the day, you still need the players, you need great coordinators, you need a great quarterback, but I think that between Nick and Doug, both of those guys were really, really good at talking to the team, at spreading the message, at communicating with players, right? Doug used to have the player council meeting, so all the leaders are going, talk to the head coach. Like, I think you get a good pulse for the team, because really as a head coach, what I want to see is a guy that is just, I want to see a guy that he wants the best for me and the best for us, maximizing everything he can to get the best out of me. And that can come away, like whether you're a player's coach,

whether you're MF and me. I don't care if you're MF and me if you got my best interest in heart. Like you want the best for me. I get it. I'm right here. But if I feel like you're MF and me because there's some ulterior motive for you, selfishly, fuck me. No, fuck you.

Oh, yeah. Oh, you want to dance? Talk to me like that. You want to dance? Let's go. That is so important, right? Yeah. Like what you just stated right there.

And I think we sense that. Like, we know when a message is from another human or if it's from a higher-up. Like, man, don't feed me no what you heard from somebody else. Do you tell me what you think. What's in here, man? What's in here? What are you looking for in the Giants new coach, man? Man, I'm looking for a stern leader.

I believe that we got a great young room. but I believe, like you said, that energy, man, that understanding, like, what it takes to be a player is required, especially with this new generation, man. We need discipline. Yep. Because when you got young guys, we need somebody that know how to steal that ship to where we're going. We got one mission, and that's win games and win the Super Bowl, right? We need consistency. We need someone that's going to be who they are every single day, right?

The emotions as a head coach, like it's Dirk Cutter, my first OC, he always shared, you know, passion versus emotion. We don't need emotions, man, because games are going to have ebbs and flows. We need passion. We need to know that you love us. We need to know that you're for us. We need to know that you're going to make business decisions during the business decision time. Like, during the course of a season, we need you believing in what you presented us at the beginning of the season. and not going back to your B plan.

You know what I'm saying? And I feel like the third thing, man, we need someone that is going to give us a complete paradigm shift, man. Because when you have an organization, you know, over the past a few years that hasn't been accustomed to winning, you have to bring in a winner. Yes. You can't bring in somebody that over the course of the past few years

hasn't won because that's still. That's doing the same thing that you've been doing. You have to bring in somebody that is a winner through and through. And if you look at his pedigree, he's won everywhere he's been. Or you bring in a new guy and you start to slate clean, right? And you use the culture, like you said, with Howard Roseman. You used the Byron Burns and the Dexter Lawrence's and myself and the Andrew Thomas's. And you use those guys, build around those guys, and you cater to that.

And you see these are my leadership roles. This is my counsel. Like what is going to make this team the best team possible? I think you just hit it on the head. You really, it's like how are you conduct? You got their leaders. You got your guys that have experience that know how to do it. And you're just doing that, man.

You're being accountable when you mess up. You're showing up and you're putting the work in. You're showing up and you're competing with maniacal relentless energy. Like, no, it ain't acceptable. It's not acceptable to lose here. That's not like I know it's just a Thursday, but I take this personal. The passion. Yeah, all of that stuff rubs off and that you're 100% right.

That's exactly where you're at if you're in New York Giants. You sign guys, you bring guys in like yourself, guys that have had success, guys that are relentlessly passionate about playing the game. And then that rubs off on everybody. That passion just got to ooze out of you, man. Before we get to this last segment, I got to ask you one more thing about the playoffs, man. Who do you think is going to take it? Who does James think is going to be Hosting that LaBarre this year?

Man, I really I really think that the Seahawks I think they're going to come out the NFC side, man. And I'm kind of, I'm kind of in between on the, really,

the AFC because like Josh, you know, I'm a big fan of Josh. Oh, yeah. And I think like, what better year than this year for him to do it, right? No Pat, no Joe,

no Lamar. you know, like he's he's the head guy on that side, right? But when you look at Denver, when you look at New England, and you look at the Houston Texans, I don't see Buffalo being them. I just don't. Like, the AFC is really a toss-up. And I want to say, I really want to say,

I want to say it's going between the Rams and the Seahawks on the NFC. I want to. But man, when I see that Seahawks defense run around. Energy, man. You talk about that passing. It's exciting. Yes. And you see that in them.

The whole team. And I'm not saying that the Rams don't have that, right? I believe they do. But you see it, you can sense it. I feel like the best two teams, I feel like it's three great teams, great teams. I feel like the Seahawks, the freaking New England Patriots and the Houston, Texans are great teams. I believe the Denver Broncos, they have the chance to win it all. Right?

I do because of their head coach and sheds. Sean Payton. But I want to see a AFC matchup between the Denver Broncos and the Houston, Texans. And I believe whoever wins out of that is going to win a Super Bowl this year.

I really believe. But I go back to, because I've been talking to circles, I go back to Josh Allen. If Josh Allen can find a way to beat the Denver Broncos this week. Yeah. I don't see nobody stop.

I think that's the confidence that he needs. It just like the bills have the Trump card, man. It really does, man. But I'm excited for this next week of football, man, because it's whoever, yeah, it's going to be so much fun seeing how all this shit plays out, man. Exactly. It's going to be a fucking blast, man.

But let's get into this last segment. We always end these conversations with a little bit of, we got to ask. You can tell us to fuck off and you don't have to answer, but we got to ask, man. Have you been working on the hard count? I have. I eliminated to jump somebody to jump off.

You got rid of them? You know what I'm saying? I did. I like that, though. Yeah. Yeah. What I need? What's that?

Turb or what's that? Somebody jump on size. Damn. It was a leech. Yes, it was. But when you think about it, if it wasn't cold, I would have got somebody.

When you're playing in cold weather, it's very tough. It's very tough to get somebody. You know what I'm saying? You're just like, I'm froze. Yep. I'm stuck here. So that's why.

I just love it because there's that point where you're doing the dummy count where you know nobody, nobody jumping on this. I don't want anything to do with it. I fucking hate the whole dummy count. Like, let's have a play ready to run. Let's try and get them off sides first. But let's just run a fucking play, man. I think it has its time, right? When the clock is about to run out, like, when you're just trying to get a free five yards, when you got like a second and short.

What's your favorite hard count to try and get some team off sides? My favorite hard count is they call it like the Green Bay cadence is when you have a cadence and you just, going through the cadence, and as soon as somebody jumps, we locked in, they stopped the ball and we go forward. Right, that's my favorite. You get a free play. You know, I argue so much when I staffed this year about, like, why is it not in?

You got a smart center. You got guys that can run. Like, that plate, like, you saw Ann Rogers did the last game. The only completion he had over freaking 30 yards was when he got up on the center, he's been doing it his whole career, right? He's been doing it his whole life. And they tried to call it the green. made can it's not it's just if a guy jump

off sides I got a smart center snap it let's go let's get a free play I don't disagree I think sometimes in the past where we've had issues with it is like is it a run play is the tackle blocking are we always just going to do a vertical if we get them off sides so you kind of

got to differentiate it's really if it's a past play dude if somebody jumps off sides just take a shot that's what it should be right but look at this if you got regular one word football plays which we had if you got one word football plays with alerts, with motions,

with freaking protection adjustments, you should be able to have a single cadence. And in that single cadence, this cadence right here, we're going to call this the Jason Kelsey cadence. And then this cadence is one pretension, and it's one concept. You can do this. I can get in a

holding call. I'll write, you know, fake 37 Y zone right, boot right, Z post, X, Cross. and say on the JK. Yeah. Everybody know what the freaking do. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. On the JK if somebody jump on size. Yes. You know what I'm saying? I'm running that white cross. I know that. You're going down. You might score two down.

You know what I'm going to? What's going, baby? You're not. Oh, man. You played with one of the greatest ever in Drew Brees, man. What was it like playing, being in the locker room with him, man? He's obviously, you know,

one of the best that has ever done it. Walter Payton, man of the year. the guy just seems like his character and his realness oozes out of him, man. What was the best thing you learned from Drew? What was it like playing with him? The best thing I learned from him was, and it helped me so much for my game, is focusing on the process and not the outcome. Like, he was so process-oriented, man, like just his details with his footwork,

with his footwork to different concepts, man. And it all stem from, again, what we talked about earlier, the continuity that he and Sean had in that offense. He mastered everything. that offense had to give. And at the quarterback position, doing that for a very long time at a high level,

it just speaks in values with his work ethic and just the love that he had for his teammates, man. So I'm so grateful for Drew and when he helped me, man, because, you know, that one year with him, that helped elevate me

to have one of the best years of my career. It got shortly, it was shortly lived because I got hurt, but, like, he helped me just with my process of, you know, what first and second down really is, first or second down, like we're playing Canadian football, right? Like, we, we, like, how do you play, you know, the, the, the term behind Canadian

football is, hey, let's get first downs on first and second down. Let's eliminate third down, right? Let's eliminate it. Canadian game, you only get three downs in Canadian. Yeah, you only get three downs. And with him, just his approach to everything, one of the greatest stories I had, man, we were losing to the Las Vegas Raiders, and we were down like two scores. And Drew, he had a good game, but like, we were coming back.

And, like, we had some shots down the field that were, like, open to me, that was open. Like, the office line was at, great protection. And I was, like, I asked him on the side. I was like, hey, man, like, we down two scores. Like, you ain't trying to push the ball? He was like, man, I never let a mistake that I made earlier in the game hunt me through the remainder of the game. Right, because I think he threw an interception early at game. And he was just like, man, I'm a stick with my process.

right. I'm not going to allow just the greed of want to get something right then impact with my process that I have for this two minute drive for this drive to help us get back in the game. Right. And then the next week we went and played freaking the L.A. Chargers and he was in that same position. And he went down dink, dunk, dink, dunk, dink. And end up winning the game for us by just staying on his process. Another thing that I learned from, man, like on Saturdays when everybody's gone out the building, I would just sit, I would take the chair and I would just sit on a chair and Drew would go through two minutes on air

by himself, calling the calls. Champaign blessed us, like he allowed us to call the calls during two minutes. So he would go down the field, up and down the field, at least three or four times calling his place, like really visualizing that moment. So I practiced that in my training as well, man.

So just to see the attention to detail that he had, even when I was only with him on his life, last year. Still, man. To see what he went through. You saw the full product. That's what the cool part of it is that you saw the accumulation of all those years into one and you have to see what the finished product looked like.

Yeah. I did, man. And just to see what he was overcoming that last year with injury and all this and that, man. It just was, it was really a sight to see, man. I'm very grateful for Drew Brees. I bought it, man. I got to ask this one, man. The Florida State Days you were known to be on the football field and the diamond.

Has it ever crossed your mind to just, you know, pick up their old wooden bat and go out there and see if you still got it? Man, I actually cross-train. Like two years ago, I started back swinging a bat, man, because I realized that I lost all of my torque and my rotation, man, because every single year, like, growing up, like, when I started football, I went straight into baseball, right? I did my shoulder care. I did my grounding work.

I did my tea work. I did everything that I was. I would do for baseball because I actually trained harder at baseball than I did football. And once I get to the league, you know, hey, let's work on this. And I'm just like, man, my first five years in league, I lost all my wiggle. Like I came to lead, like, frigging limber. I was able to take stuff to the house. I was like, I got to get back to building the athlete because you see, that's what the game is.

It ain't no more just stand in the pocket, look around all progressions and complete the past. You have to be able to extend plays at the quarterback position to win in this football. You have to, and I think that cross-training with baseball has actually elevated me and gave me a few more extra years on my play because of the different movements and different actions that I do when I'm taking five balls, when I'm fielding ground balls,

when I'm swinging the baseball back, being in different planes, man, it goes. And I try to tell young kids, like, guys, do not try to become a guru at one sport, man. Get on a basketball court. Play some of the cross, man. man, play some baseball, play some football, man. Like, do not just be focused on one little thing.

Like, oh, my baby going to be, you know, the number one pick at a quarterback. I promise you, your baby is going to be looking like that number one pick from age eight to age 18. You're going to look just like he is. You got to get some variety, man. I'm with you, man. I'm with you, 100%. We played all of them. We played absolutely all of them, man.

That shit was the best. Yes. Y'all are athletes, man. Y'all really are. Not even just physically. I feel like you start to mentally take things over. Like you, spacing that you see on the basketball court, you take it when you're just playing. Jason, what do you know about spacing on the basketball court?

Well, I know that you do it. I took, I took, I took, I took, I think spacing from, from the hockey rink. There you go, there you go. Angles and leverage, yeah. I still remember I started playing lacrosse. And I was, I was playing football first. I started playing lacrosse because my money's dead on the fucking lacrosse field. I can't imagine.

Insane. But they got all these moves. They got like a face dodge. You got a roll dodge where you're doing a spin move, all these things. And I'm like playing D-line. I'm grabbing the stick. I'm like, I'm taller than this dude. I swim them like this.

Just pull a swim move out. And my coach is like, what are you doing? That ain't going to work. Bro, nobody could stop my swim. It was like a bad move. I'm going to swim in everybody. And now there's guys doing it in Division of all the cross. You see guys doing it.

And coach, like every time I see it, I think of you. And I'm like, yeah, that's because it's a good move. Coach, if you ain't seen it, what makes you think that they saw it? You know what I'm saying? Like, they don't think about that. Yeah. Oh, that ain't never going to work. Well, Coach, you ain't never seen them before.

How do you think they ever seen it before? So I know that's going to work. All right. Last question. Do you have a welcome to the NFL moment? Well, yes, I have an iconic welcome to the NFL moment. I got two. I got two for you.

Well, my very first pass in the NFL was a touchdown. And a lot of people, a lot of people can't never say that. Yes, it was a Cody Sinseng ball on a pick six. So my very first pass. That was. That was a welcome to the way. So, look, this is, this is, this is the craziest thing, right? We both threw a pick on our first, man.

Man, that's why I knew you were my brother, man. Our first, both of us were the interceptions, man. Let's go. Listen, no, bro. Like, I'm going to tell you about this. So I'm in, I'm with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and you know, we got Lovie Smith. Lovey Smith is our country. He comes from the Tony Dunjee tree.

It's going to be two Tampa, spot drop three or man. Right? And he'll probably throw, bring a fireman. and rush pressure, you know what I'm saying, play zone, fire zone and back end. Man, our first game was the great Dick Leboe. All that defense, all the different looks, all at fronts, pressure. Man, the first third down was 36. Man, they ran two-man.

I'm coming from college. Man, I ain't seen two-man all year. Man, I set it up, man. I throw a little truce route outbreak, man, Cody Sesebaw. jump that thing on the cut. I was like, oh, my God. I had to hop on my horse and I was like, well, it was a touchdown. You know what I'm saying?

But at first I was pissed. I was like, man, I wasn't prepared for this. You know what I'm saying? I didn't think they was going to play no two-man. I was like, what is two-man? That's too funny. You know? First third, now he played two-man, like, welcome to the NFL.

Like, I thought I was an athletic quarterback. You played me two-man? Yeah. Like now, and then look, nowadays, you watch the film. You're like, oh, yeah. Oh, they played two-man. or some people say cover five. Nobody's got me.

You hear the quarterback coach, man, look, it's embarrassing if they play two men against you. And I'm just like, oh, man. My damn. So it was embarrassing. It was embarrassing that they play a two man against me. And it worked? Oh, my God.

I'm saying, it worked. I should have ran. Nobody's got you. That's too fucking good, man. Well, James, man. Appreciate the time. Appreciate the stories. Appreciate the wisdom.

Best of luck with you over there in New York. in the future, man. Always a huge fan of you as a person, man. And I can't thank you enough for jumping on with this, brother. Man, I retweet that to both of y'all, man. You know how much respect I have for you, Jason, man, for what you just done for this game, man. And Travis, as you continue to just inspire a whole generation of OGs, bro,

the way that you kill it, the way that you dominate, bro. Thank you so much for the passion and the energy, you know what I'm saying? Because like you always say, what you always say? You got a fight. You know, right. Come home, bro. And you be fighting. You're the best, dog.

And that's the energy that we have, the fact that you know where I was going with that. I knew. Exactly. You already know, baby. It's that passion, baby. You already know. So thank y'all, man.

Love you, brother. You already know, man. All love. All right. All right. That wraps up. Another episode of New Heights. Thank you to James Winston.

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