New Heights with Jason and Travis Kelce - Deion Sanders on Missing Shedeur, 90s Cowboys Aura and Becoming Prime Time | Ep 155

Episode Date: September 22, 2025

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My welcome to the NFL moment was housing that thing on the first game I played in against Japan. That's a hell of a welcome. That's a good one. I dropped it, picked it up, and housed it. And I could remember going downtown to the mall. I bought 11 Gucci watches for the whole punt return team. Special teams? Oh, man, this is a lecture.

And I wrote on the card, every fourth down, I just wanted y'all to know what time it was. that is so good welcome back to New Heights ladies and gentlemen boys and girls and Wondry Show brought to you by Reese's Oreo Cups

the delicious peanut butter cups with the Oreo cookie combined goddamn we are your host I'm Travis Kelsey and my big brother Jason Kelsey out of Cleveland Heights Ohio

Subscribe on YouTube Wondry Plus wherever you get your podcast and follow the show on all social media at New Heights Show with 1S for fun clips throughout the week. 92% is we got an incredible guest episode, man. He's been one of the main people that I've looked up to my entire life

that I've always wanted to get on this show. And it's finally happening. We've got a great episode. Jason, why don't you do the honors and tell everybody what we got coming up today? Before we get to that, Travis, let's put them on. Baby, there we go. We got a fun one right now. See what time.

Oh, yeah. Hold up. Hold on. Excuse me. I think money's on the line, baby. Already, our guest today is a six-foot-one shutdown quarterback from Florida State University. It was the fifth overall pick in the 1989 NFL draft. He's a six-time all-pro, eight-time pro-eight-time pro-boy, one-time defense of the player of the year,

and a member of the NFL Hall of Fame. He's a 2,000 Super Bowl champion and the only person in history to play in a Super Bowl and a World Series. You know him as Neon-Dion, Prime Time, and most recently, Coach Prime. 92 percenters, please welcome Dionne Sanders. That's how I'm waking up now. I'm not getting up in my bed unless I hear that. I'm not getting it. Coach is the least we can do, man.

We appreciate you taking the time, man. How are we doing this week? We getting the guys back on track? We got no choice. We got no choice. Right? There we go. I'm right there with you.

I'm right there with you. I'm right there with it, man. How did we walk into the building today? That's what I want to know, man. You know what, man. The whole thing is accountability. That's my word of the week. Everybody's accountable, baby.

Everybody's accountable. We've got to step it up. We've got to go to the next level. And you can't want the good, pretty shiny stuff. if you're not ready to do the good, pretty shiny things. Right, right. I love it. I love it, man.

Well said. Getting after. And that's exactly the message that Coach Reid actually had for us is just accountability, man. As long as you're bringing that energy and you're holding yourself accountable, we're going to be just fine. It's going to be just fine. It's going to be all right. Well, Coach, we start everything off with a little bit of new news. And how about you start us off a little bit of that new news?

Y'all know you're recently dropping your new prime 21 apparel. Yes, sir. High Stepper socks. Cowboy hats. These shades, bro, these shades are ridiculous. Shades of both.

Man, these are nice. Shays are both. Come on now. I'm going to tell you somebody's socks. See, Kelsey, back in the day,

they thought I just wore my socks scrunched down, but I actually had them made like this. Really? I didn't know that. Everybody's been faking it this whole time. Everybody's been trying to replicate. They can't do it.

They were made like this. So when I pulled them up, it just had that appearance. It had that look, but they were made like this. I love it. I love it. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Like, listen. Everybody wants to be like Prime. At what point in your life, Coach, did you know you had people gravitating towards you

because the personality that you had? I was a little, you know, like you wouldn't believe it now because, you know, I know, I know when I got to put on, I got to show out, I got to show up and show out. But I'm a homebody, man. I don't go out. I don't club. I don't kick it. I don't smoke. I don't drink. Never tastes alcohol. Never been high there in my life. I don't. I don't like out. Like, I don't mind playing in front of crowds and selling stadiums out,

but I don't like crowds. I don't like to be in crowds or around a lot of people. I'm a home guy. Like, I'm in head by seven, man. Like, I never went out at the game because I always had migraines because I was so hyped doing the games. Coming down always gave me migraines. So I had to go right on with ice packs on my neck and they had no cure for it.

I had all kind of stuff going. going on, but I couldn't, I could never celebrate like that. I never was that type of God that my persona led me to be. I hear you. Yeah, absolutely. That is, yeah, the persona is definitely what everybody knows you as, the freaking prime time. I mean, come on now. That was our entire childhood.

Watching that was incredible. I'm just glad they're bringing back the kicks. Yeah. I'm just glad they're bringing back the kicks. What's one? The diamond turfs. I know. Which is what?

Every, every color way, man. And every single color way. You know, I got all of them, Coach. You know, I got all of them. I need every single way. They don't make it with good leather like this anymore. Coach, I appreciate you bringing them back. I got you.

One of the things that's been so fun to watch is you taking that personality and that energy to the college football ranks and coaching ranks. You've completely changed the game. You're still a Colorado, but now the thing that's changed this year is your sons aren't there anymore. What's it been like now that your kids? have moved on in their careers. Yeah, what's it like coaching now? Tough.

Jokes? Yeah. They clowning me right now, and I'm clowning them right back. Like, we just got to go to the phone with Shador. And it's just, you know, we got this family chat, then we got the girls involved with the chat. Then we just got all the boys and all the girls. We got all different kinds of chats because I got five kids.

So right now they're on my butt. I just told Shadour, I know you miss me. He said, oh, I thought you missed me. get it twisted but you know what man i definitely miss them because just all my life they've been there they've been there and they've been right there with me the whole step away my oldest son is still here and doing all the social stuff but i definitely miss my other two sons i certainly do and my daughter that was playing basketball here she's at alabama a and em right now that had to be such a special special time in your life to be able to do that with your kids like that man

I think everybody in the football world could only dream of being able to do something that you did like that, man. We don't know nothing. We didn't know another way. Like, all our lives, that's the only way we knew. So we never knew another way of how it's supposed to be. We thought that's how it's supposed to be. You got a new quarterback under your hands, Martin Luther Stobb. Man, with the eye-had-dream of being here and doing it, the interview after the,

the first game was Electric Man, but right now it's, I'm not sure how the NIL world has changed when you knew college to be when you were at Florida State. But how difficult is that navigating the new world that is amongst the NIL deals in college? Let me take you back a minute. I think I was actually the first NIL deal because my junior year, I didn't play baseball of Florida State, but I got drafted by the Yankees. So I accepted professional cash, which allowed me to be a,

walk on coming back my senior year of football. So I went and played the whole summer six weeks. I played a rookie league for two weeks in Sarasota. I played Singaleigh for two weeks in Fort Lauderdale. Did I want to trip play for two weeks in Columbus? All in a stuff. Then I came back, you know, in August to get ready for camp. That is so wild.

I played my senior year of football. So since I accepted money from pro, I was a walk on. That's crazy. The Yankees paid my scholarship, but you couldn't tell me nothing on campus. Like, you couldn't tell it. Of course. Yeah, right. Yeah.

I got a neck full of gold like I've been gluey bags. That's what it's going to really jump down because I had justification. Yeah, for sure. That's amazing. That's such a crazy world, man. And obviously, it kind of primed you, it primed you up and got you ready for when you went to the pros. and played in two different professional leagues in the same day. Yeah, but, man, it was my life, fellas.

Like, to me, it was nothing big because that was my life. Like, all my life, I had played baseball, football, and basketball. So even in high school, I remember playing in the basketball All-Star game, the same day the baseball All-Star game was. We played baseball during that day. The basketball game was that night, so I was used to that. So when I got to college, how can somebody. tell you what you can't do. And this is the only life I knew. I didn't know another life.

So that's why when it got to the pro level, I'm like, how are you telling me I can't do this? And this is all I know. I don't know no other way. We definitely played multiple sports growing up. And I tried to do the football basketball thing. When I say I tried, I asked and they said, yeah, you can come on. You're going to get a football scholarship. You're going to play football until football season's over with. And then you're going to go play basketball. And then there was the whole, you have to be responsive. Travis. And that's what I wasn't. I wasn't. So I, the accountability and how responsible you were, you're, you had everything in line. And that's the type of dedication it takes for somebody to be a, not only just a two

sports star, but maybe even a two position star like you had with Travis Hunter last year. Yeah, man. How have you seen him kind of come into his role with Jacksonville? Do you like how he's being used yet? Or have you been able to even catch them? They're not using them enough. Like, You know, I skin it with my own eyes on an everyday basis for three straight years. So I know what he's capable of and I know how you got to take care of him. He never practiced on Tuesdays. He's practiced on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. He was ready to play 100 or some snaps on Saturday.

So you didn't need to use him on a Tuesday or Monday. You don't use him like that. But Travis is a big kid, man. He just loves the game. He loves football. He loves studying. He loves the preparation. He always had at least five hours of study in each week.

because we keep that, we keep that list. We know how much everybody's study. And he is just a phenomenal athlete, one of the greatest I've ever seen, do both simultaneously. And he dominated. My rule is I'll let anybody do it as long as you dominate. You've got to be dominated on. Yeah, you got to get it done. I can't let you out there.

You're getting killed on the corner, but you're playing. No, no, no. No word. Obviously, Travis Hunter, the big number one pick out there, you've had a, A couple of other players, obviously your son Chidor, Lejante Wester with the Ravens and Jimmy Horn with the Panthers. I guess as Browns fans, we've got to know. Have you been keeping up with Shador in Cleveland? What's the best piece of advice you've given him as a dad and as a coach?

Be patient and be ready. There you go. Be patient and be ready. That's all you can do it. I don't want you to call your name and you ain't ready. Don't let that. We ain't built like that. We ain't built like that.

We're always ready. We don't have to get ready. There you go. It's ready. And I want you to be patient. You don't force nothing that ain't. that it may not be time. You know, I drink coffee every morning.

There's one thing I do. I don't pull the coffee cup off the darn makeup before it's ready. It's got to be prepared, right? Put my ingredients in, I make it right. But I'm like, son, you got to be ready. You got to be ready when it's time. But when it's time, you're going to know. I say, and it's coming up.

You know, I got a prediction. They ain't telling them about it. I got a feeling when it's going to go down. But it's going to go down. He's going to get a shot. All right. Yeah, you can get a shot. And that's all you can ask for as a player.

All you can ask for is the opportunity, right? Tell me this. Because this is all over the media. Because I know y'all keep it a buck. That's why I love y'all to life and mama too. Please tell them, mama, I said, hi. You know what. Let me tell you.

How in the world, they made a big deal out of Philly Caldus on Draft Day. They didn't mention that. I just let a cat out of the bag. Okay. No, it's good. I didn't know that. Yeah, okay. Who was it?

Baltimore and the Browns. I heard this, yeah. In the Browns. They forget, I know, I played for Baltimore, so me and Ozzy are cool. So we understood that whole conversation, and he wanted to talk to Shador as well as you want to talk to me. And I put Shador on the phone, and Shadour, I don't want to say how I went. But how in the world can somebody fault him for saying or thinking, why in the world, would I go back up Lamar? for 10 more years.

Like, who comes in with that mindset? No, that's not where you want to go. If you're, if you, if the goal is to be that guy and you want to be the player and the number of quarterback. And you want to get that opportunity. Yeah, but what, what do these guys come from that sit on these platforms and say, oh, you should have sat and behind and learned the game and been, what they develop? When have the pros ever developed anybody?

Yeah, it don't happen very often. By the time you get to the NFL, they, they. expect you to know what you need to do and to do it or somebody else going to get in there and do it. Now, they teach you their playbook, but development and teaching you how to route folks up and you how to block and hold that point, man, please. There ain't nobody told you that. You're going to figure it out on your own, man. I've been trying to teach some guys that have come in and out of the building or all across that I ask you, you know, how do you run your route like this? How do you run your route like that? I'm like, man, you just kind of

got to run it enough to figure it out. Right. Like for me, I was a six-round draft pick, and I got drafted to a team in Philadelphia that wanted a new center. I was so lucky to get into a position where they were like, just don't fuck this up, Jason, and you can be the starter. Like, we want you to play. And that's like if I would have went behind, if I would have went behind Kevin Mawai

or, you know, I'm trying to think of who the other centers were, Alex Mack, or some of these guys and sat like, yeah, I would have learned something from, but it was much better for me and my career to get an opportunity to go and play right away. I ain't no question. And if I, I wouldn't have changed that for a second. Don't matter what, I'm going to learn or develop anywhere else. I've never sat on the bench and said, well, I learned a lot today.

That is a fucking great quote. God damn, that is a good quote. Who learns sitting on the bench? Like, who does that? Yeah, you're going to learn a little. a lot more being out there. We did want to bring up. You've been known to rank your kids. What's the latest ranking?

Where are we have right now? Chris Ball, your parents rank y'all. Y'all just don't know. Okay. No, for sure. Mom's always had Travis number one. I do know. Listen, and right now, right now mom has Jason number one because he has kids. That is true.

She has said that. She has made that comment. She's put some pressure on him. But what's waiting at, though? So what you wait now? You know, like I tell my kids, I know we've had some. close calls. I told my kids.

You know, we're sitting at the edge of the bed, like, oh, Lord, if you get me out of this one. I promise you, I'll be with church, son. I promise you, Lord. I rate my kids, man, like, I love them differently. I don't love them the same. But this is honest. I know which one is going to take care of me when I'm older.

I know which one is going to ask me for money when I'm older. I know which one keeps me on my knees in front of God. I know I know I'm like a book. All you have to do is just describe what happened, and I can tell you which one did it. Like, that's how knowledgeable I am with my kids, and I love them differently. Let's transition to playing prong time. Oh, man. The one that we grew up, I mean, just the incredible, not just play.

It wasn't just that you were a player. That was spectacular, but it was everything, the bravado, like the whole show was just incredible to watch, and it all really took off of the 90s Cowboys. So recently Netflix put out. America's team documentary, about the 90s Cowboys. I mean, what was it like playing on this team, Coach? Yeah. Unbelievable.

Unbelievable. Like, I was just going through like a personal kind of hell at the time. I left San Fran. You know, it's like I need challenges in my life. I'm like, okay, let me go to San Fran. Oh, okay, we beat the Cowboys. Oh, boom. Jerry Jones wants me to go there.

Let me go there and see if we could beat San Fran now. It's like I needed challenges in my life. Sure. You know, I called Mike, playmakers like a brother to me, man. We had a bunch of Florida boys that played for Cowboys at the time. I said, how is it, man? Because I ain't with no jealousy. I ain't got time for this, man.

Every locker room I've been in and been some bull junk, I ain't got time for that. Mike said, we're good over here, baby. We Florida boys over here. Am it, Mike? Yeah. Big Nate, you know, all my guys. Be Florida boys. Okay.

So it was unbelievable, man. Jerry Jones will go down and should go down in history as arguably the best owner that ever owned a football franchise. because of just you hear media talk about Jerry. You've never heard a player talk about Jerry Jones in a negative fashion because he is unbelievable. I had the luxury play for Eddie DeBarlow who was unbelievable in some other ones and Steve Ashati later on in life. But let me tell you some, man, the Cowboys, you're talking about America's team and when you travel

and when you go places. It's probably like it is, but, you know, right now, you see, it's probably the same way. You guys were with Philly at the end. Philly fans are crazy. They'll kid, you shank you in. It was unbelievable, man. It really was. It was experiencing.

We were too young and dumb to really know the level of it. I can only imagine what it was. I mean, it took it by storm, and it literally became the biggest franchise in sports because of those years. Is that like your favorite team that you were on in the NFL? Lano was my favorite team. Elena was a fan of. We had so much fun, man.

I mean, we got our butts kick. I think we went to a playoff. We had so much fun, man. I think we had a team meeting in Magic City every Friday night. You know, it was just crazy. We had so much fun. Shout out the Magic. It was so much fun.

But the Dallas Cowboys were different. San Francisco was business. It was like business. And I love that it was business. But then you got to Dallas and you won like they did in San Fran, but you had fun, winning. Because you enjoyed all your teammates and all. all the laughter and the banter that went on. I got to say from this documentary in Dallas, as an Eagles fan,

you're like, or as an Eagles player, and on this side of it, you're taught to hate Jerry Jones. I got to say, I kind of like what I'm seeing. I got to admit when, like, between this documentary and then his deal on Landman, when he talks about buying the franchise and like his family and everything, I'm like, you know what? I'm kind of turning into a Jerry guy. I kind of like what I'm being told.

Let me tell you one quick story about Jerry. Once upon a time, I'm watching ESPN, and this guy is about to go crazy. You remember Big Kel's. I call Big Kelts Loebate. Lungo Spell me. Lanzo Spell. Yes. I mean, arms hanging down to his knees, just shredded, ripped, just unbelievable.

And he was going through something in this, like, crazy house or whatever they admitted them to in Chicago. And I said, Jerry, I could help him. I could help him. Yeah. He flew his jet to pick the kid up, brought him to the Cowboys, and changed his life, man. That's what he helped change his life. And he ended up bawling out for us, you know, signing another deal.

Then he ended up, he had a decision whether to stay there or go to Detroit or New England somewhere. I think he chose Detroit. I don't know if it worked out. But changed that kid's life, man. But that's the kind of guy Jerry was. Like if you said, hey, man, go get that dude. He could help us. Jerry was going to go get him if he felt like he could help the team.

That's the kind of cat Jerry was. That's the kind of guy you want to play for him, man. Absolutely. We wanted to win for him. Zim and, you know, the whole darn shabang, man. We just wanted, we had a great group of coaches. I love me some Barry Switzer, man. That was my dude, man.

That was my dude. Barry gave me my first, got me my first bass boat from Jerry Riddle. He called me in the office. I know. I said, man, I heard you make fishing, prime. I said, yeah, I do. He said, man, you go down now 35. the ex for Jerry Roodle tell him very sent you.

Man, they gave me a 21-foot pro craft. I never forgot that day, man. I was stunning on the lake. I mean, stunning on the lake, man. How many do you catch that day? I don't know. That's good. That was my first time I was a fly fisherman.

I don't fly fish, but I... No, no, I was a fly fisherman. Oh, there we go. There we go. It's too good, man. Who was the one quarterback you love playing the most? Either out of respect or the fact that he just was silly enough to keep throwing the ball your way.

Cat from the Rams. The cat from the Rams used to always have something for me, man. Oh, what was his name? Jim Everett. Jim Everett? Jim Everett. Jim Everett. Jim Everett had a bull on that thing.

He had a bull on that thing for me, man. My God. I got a good story. I don't know if it's mine to tell what I'm going to tell it. Andy Reed was telling me, I wear your shirt. shoes in the facility. I rock them whenever we're on the field, we're not doing anything up-tempo and stuff

like that. I'm always rocking your kicks. And he asked me, what are those shoes? And I told him, I was like, they're from the 90s. They're Dionne Sanders, Diamond Terps. And he said, man, he's just shook his head and he was like, you know, when we played him, when he was in Green Bay coaching with Brett Farb, he was the quarterbacks

coach. He said he told Farb before the game, he's like, listen, whatever you do, just not that side of the field. Just don't do it. Just not that Just don't do it. It's not even worth it. Just go over here. You'll be fine.

We'll be fine. He said within the first handful of plays, he tested the waters. And he said he walked over to the sideline. He couldn't even look Brett in the face because you picked it off. There's a house call. But you got to understand why Brett tried me. Brett was my teammate in Atlanta.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. A rookie year, Brett. He was traded to the balcony. The reason he was traded to Green Bay is because Brett used to tell the starting quarterback, Chris Miller at the time. Hey, go on out there messing up. I'd be in about the third quarter.

I'm not serious, man. God was crazy, man. Brett, that was an unbelievable talent. We knew he was going to be a guy like his rookie year. He didn't know what was going on, what the ball was going. I just know he would just stop on a dime on the scout team and throw a rope, 40 yards. Like, we knew he had it. And they had to get him out of there because he was putting too much pressure on the starter.

But we knew Brooks is going to be that guy. I'll tell you what. I kind of have a similar, because Mahomes didn't play his rookie year either. He didn't play until the last game when we already knew we had the playoff seed locked in. And man, some of those scout team looks of him just running around, throwing it across it. We're like, man, this is insane. I don't know what we're doing here. This is the most incredible way I've ever seen anybody play the game.

of football. And we're just like, there's no way he can do this in the game. He's got to be a little bit more polished, sure enough, man. The first year he starts, man, 50 touchdowns, 5,000 yards. I'm just like, oh, no, he can, he's got the cahonas to do it in the NFL, too. I love Andy, man, I love your team and the whole makeup of it. And, you know, those personalities. You know, I know, once you start winning, win, winning, you know, those personalities start been taken away from you. And you got to try to replace it with and subsidize some of it. And it's tough. Both of you guys have dealt with that. But I love it, man.

I just love what Andy Reid represents to the NFL, man. I've always had respected him tremendously, man. I wouldn't be the same player I am right now who wasn't for that guy. Yeah, you know, he should love to Mike Big. That's one of the main reasons because he, you know, he took your mic. That was the first quarterback I ever snapped to in the NFL. I mean, that was wild. I was about to say, I saw Jason taking snaps from Michael Vick.

I'm just like, oh, shit, this is really happening. You go from the Cincinnati Bearcats to snapping it to Michael Vick. I was like, this is a little bit different. Wow. Let me ask you this. You brought up personalities. Those Cowboys teams, you, Michael Irvin, Emmett, Troy, what would that team do in today's NFL? How would they fare against a Philadelphia Eagles, 2024, Kansas City Chiefs team?

I'll tell you what, man, it would have been a battle. Well, I think I would always say I think we would have won it because simply because that whole darned offensive line was pro bowlers, the whole line. Then you got the tight end Jay Novichick killing everybody, you know, like Kells. Then you got Mike doing what he did, Emmett doing what he did. Then on the flip side, you got Charles Haley coming off that edge. I got this side, just put him on the other side and flush the quarterback, make him throw to me. So we, you know, we had that thing. Darren Woodson back there doing his thing.

Leon Lett. I mean, it was, it was stack. It was everywhere. Yeah, yeah, it was crazy, man. We just put on that clip of Larry Allen chasing down lineback. It's still the most impressive thing I've ever seen an offensive line to do on an NFL field. Him working out was the most impressive thing that I've seen, him working out in the weight room. There's that Pro Bowl one where he's doing the bench press.

I'm sure you've seen some even better ones. Yeah, man, but see the way he worked in practice, I mean, it was violent, man. It was violent. It was violent. Yeah, he was violent. Do you think it's harder or easier to be a defensive back in today's game? It depends on what type of defensive back you are. Like, if you're defensive back that they want to see play, they're going to ride with you. Yeah.

And I understand, I'm going to only got a swung on a man that didn't get thrown out of game. There we go. We got to keep 2-1 in the game, man. Got to take care of our stars now. It would have been interesting. The game has changed so darn much. And, you know, they want to see a lot of. a point scored, but also, you know, if you stop and you got to get the full

you got to punt it, you got to put it, you got to put it, you got to put it, you're going to see me one way or another or I jump on the office, a place of office, you're going to see me. I love it, man. Are there any, like, modern corners that impress, like, who are the best in the game? I don't watch it too much, man. I got a study of his conscience. Yeah, you got your hands full.

Yeah, that's fair. I like some of old school cats, but I don't have time to invest in like I used to, you know. Sure. Yeah, I don't have time to put in. I watch, you know, I watch Kelsk because he's my dog and he, you know, I want to see what dance he does after he scores, you know. That's right. I got a good one for you.

Next one. See, I want to see him walk to the game. I want to see what he's wearing. You know, then I want to see what he's doing in the game. Then I want to see what he's wearing. Like, I want to see all that. Work too hard not to have fun with the prime. Yeah, but you get it.

Like, you get it. You get it. Tell me, when did you start getting it? I would say, I probably started to really, uh, figured out my second year playing in the league. That's when I finally felt like I could, like I belonged, and that's when I really started to get comfortable in my own skin, man.

I was always a guy that had fun doing what I wanted to do, but I didn't have the professionalism. That responsibility I was telling you about why I didn't do dual sport. Once I started to be responsible in how I was conducting my professionalism, that's when I really started to get it and have fun. Yeah, but you always had the fun with it. Even in high school, you were always like that. But when did the personality come from, even you?

When did the personality come? How many linemen are on TV? Let's just get that straight. Well, yeah, that's a unique thing. Yeah, it doesn't happen very often. Let's just talk about it, all right? Let's just get that straight. Do you know how good you have to be to conquer the linemen everywhere and on national commercials?

You know what good? You got to be there. One of one. All right. Fair enough. Fair enough. But I don't got nothing nowhere near the personality, the Trav does.

Yeah, but when did it happen, but it had to kick in for you. Sometimes, like, you had to say, you know what? I got something here. Like, I got something. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. You playing with good players, the Sean McCoy, Sean Jackson. Yeah, it definitely manifests and sticks on you, for sure.

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Ravens look strong in a week one loss to Buffalo and beat the brakes off of Cleveland Browns. Sorry about your Browns. Yeah, I think this one seems like you could go either way, probably high scoring, but you never know. Let's look at any time touchdowns then. Amun Rahsa St. Brown is one of the most consistent wideouts in the league. the box is going to be loaded up to stop Jemir Gibbs and David Montgomery. How are we feeling about an Amon-Ross, St. Brown touchdown? I would say I feel good about that.

Jake, why don't you take this next one? All right. So to me, this game comes down to the running game, and Derek Henry's Derek Henry, the Ravens rushing attack is dominant. They'll beat you with their running back. They'll beat you with their quarterback. I think if I'm the Lions, I'm going to be keying in on Lamar. So I think that Derek Henry is going to be the one who gets into the end zone.

How are we feeling about that? Oh, I like that. It feels pretty logical to me. Big Derek Henry guy over here. All right. Last one, Monday night football, over or under 51.5 points. How are we feeling? I think it's going to be over.

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Okay, I'm going to ask back too. I'm going to ask back. I just want y'all. You were the first athlete to hit a home run and score a touchdown in the same week. Which was harder? Yeah, hitting that curb off. Oh, yeah. Yes.

I think it's got to be the hardest thing in sports, right? It is. Hitting? It is. It is. Consistently. I wasn't consistent with it, but hitting it. Yeah, that was the toughest thing up. Got it.

All right. What sports does you love the most, Brian? Football. I can roll out of bed and do that. I can roll out of bed and do that. I remember we lost in the playoffs on a Wednesday night. We had a Thursday night football game. I remember my call in my, he's passed away now.

White he's in him. And I say, White it, get it ready, baby. Get it ready, get it ready. He said, I'm on my head of you. We were playing the Rams, Los Angeles Rams that Thursday night. and I played that game. I didn't even know half the team. I remember going out there starting and they was tearing his other corner up.

I don't even know who it was. I said, look at him, get out. I just pointed to the guy on the sideline. You get in, call cover two, kick to him. I got my side on the backside. We're good. That's how we're going to do this first. So good.

So good. Running it, man. I love this shit. There's a myth of the NFL Combine. You literally ran the 40 and kept running until you were out of the building. That's not true. Is this a myth? It's not true.

No, that's not true. I thought that was true. No, I ran a four-tooth for breakfast, but the rest of it wasn't true. Man. That's one of my favorites. I'm too much. Now, the bench press part, I was in there engaging in a good conversation. And they had, they do the bench press.

And they said, Sanders. And I was still in this conversation. Sanders. I said, no, no, no, no. Ain't nobody if they're going to lay across my hands and let me benchpress me in the end of it. I'm good. I didn't do that. I don't have got nothing to do with me.

That's what true or false. Didn't finish his Giants interview because they had the 10th pick and he'd be gone by then. Is that true? That's true. That's probably why they did with my son. But anyway, we're going to talk about that. Oh, we don't even need to get there.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What was more of your signature? Your high step to the end zone or the strut when you got in the end zone, the dance when you got in the end zone? I think the high step to the half. The high step is what I think of, for sure. The fact that you could do that running 22 miles per hour, high stepping like that, I'm still mind-blown because every time I try and high step,

I drop back to about 15 miles per hour. Yeah, I'm getting slower. It looks like you're going faster. You look good, you look good, don't go on it. You look good, don't do it, that's the thing. Well, and how many times has that been replicated? Like, I just think every player has done the high step since then to try and replicate it. Like, that is just such an iconic moment of NFL history.

That's the first thing I think of that's for dang true. We got to get Jason high stepping, man. I can't, listen, these hammies can't high step. That ain't in my hamstrings. I wish I could. Is it true that your name is actually spelled Dion, D-I-O-N on your birth certificate? What are you guys getting this stuff from? We got some good research.

We got some good researchers. That's true. That's true. That's true. But let me tell you what I did. See, you know, kids during the school, learning how to spell. Yeah. And we all learned the song.

If I say the first part, you got to finish the second part. Oh, McDonald had a farm. E I. E.I. E.I.O. Oh, yes. E I.I.O. E I.E. E I.O. So it was D, E, I, O. in.

I got it from Old McDonald. What? Is it still that? That's the way I speak. Spell it. Oh, my best certificate is D-I-O-N, but I've always spelled a D-E-I-O-N. There you go. You know how bad you've got to be to just change your name and people just go along with it?

Right here, Mr. Sanders. That's so good. We had our guy, Jets Jake, who worked with you at NFL Network a little bit. He was the one that gave us the Intel on that one. Oh, no, that's a good one. That's real. Oh, he was a nickname Turtle. You might know him as Turtle.

Yeah, no Turtle. Turtle was awesome. Oh, you know. A turtle? Yeah, baby. We got Turtle on the squad. Oh, man. You got some dick-tow guys, man.

Turtle was awesome, man. Turtle, we got some good memories, don't we, Turtle? Oh, here we go. Turtle's popping in. Hey, Prong. Oh, my. Hey. Turtle.

I just want it. How's it going? Prime, good to see you. You know what I'm talking about. Mrs. Turtle, Mama Turtle. We got some good memories. Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, we got some good memories.

I didn't forget. Oh, I didn't forget either, Prime. I gave you a lot of love when we were talking to our production meeting, so I appreciate the shout-out. Turtle, you've been a good man for a long time, man. I'm glad you seen these champs, man. These guys are awesome, man. Dude, three of my favorite people on one call right here.

It's the best. I'm honored. I'm honored. Thanks, Prime. I appreciate it. That's amazing. Coach, whose idea was it for the bandana on the Hall of Fame bus? Mine.

It's iconic. This is how the bandana started. Because it was a wristband. I had a curl when I played for Florida State. And it activated. He used to drip down to get in your eyes. So I put a headband on my head. But when I put my helmet on, the headband slipped down.

And that's when I started rocking the thing around the neck. That was by mistake. Oh, my gosh. That was a mistake. Everyone rocks that look. Everybody rocks that. It was by mistake. Then I started putting a headband around it because so it'll hold up.

But that was by mistake. The head had been around the neck. That was for the curl, and it just slid down. All by mistake. Swagger just happens by mistake. The guy can't make any mistakes. It just happens. All right.

You hold the NFL record for career return touchdowns with 19, nine interception, six punt, three kickoff, and a fumble. Which one is your favorite? Ooh. Do you have one? You got a favorite return for a touchdown? Yeah, yeah, yeah. How's called in Atlanta?

there we go I was called because we was on the plane and I studied so darn much and I got this big that's back when we had to carry this big V-C-H thing you know

because you didn't have you had a little you had a big oh my gosh watching you're on the plane and I said I can know these guys like a book I know these guys like a book

and you know I was setting them up I backed off I said they should throw a little five-yard hitch it threw a hitch I went and bumped and I said they should throw a fade, chatted to a fade. I said, okay, I got them. We got by down to the 10-yard line.

They ran a flood route, off-size. They lined up, ran it again, off-size defense that time. So they went back to the same spot. I cannot believe they ran it. They got in the same formation trips. Again. Trips to feel. I put my back to the sideline, which I never do, and I squatted down real low, and they ran that flood, and I jumped it. But on the plane, I had told Carmen policy in the late Dwight Clark, I said, I'm going to pick one off, and I'm going to hit them, and I'm going to look at their bench.

And I'm going to say, I did exactly that. I'm not lying. I'm like, God, thank you. He came into me the same way I said it would happen. I said, I'm going to look at their bench and I step them, because it was a lot of little animosity. I was going back to the crew

to play my former teammates with hating on me a little bit. Okay, okay. Well, that's too funny, man. I can't believe it was also. It's so pre-plan and meticulous like that. That's crazy. Man, you know that's steady. That's steady.

That's steady. Yeah, it's preparation. That's all that is. We know about all the success and all the unbelievable plays like the one you just mentioned right there. For the last question we got for you, Prime, what was your welcome to the NFL moment? God, what was the welcome to the NFL moment? You mean something negative? Honestly, it doesn't have to be.

It doesn't have to be, yeah. Like, I didn't have negative moments like welcome to the NFL moment. like welcome to the NFL. Welcome to the NFL moment was housing that thing on the first game I played in against Japan. That's a hell of a welcome. That's a good one. And you dropped it, picked it up, and housed it.

And I can remember going to downtown to the mall. Back then we used to go to mall. And I bought 11 Gucci watches. I bought 11 Gucci watches for the whole pop return teams. Special teams? Oh, man, this is an electorate. Including the coach, including the special teams coach. And I wrote

on the card, every fourth down, I just wanted you all to know what time it was. That is so good. I gave it to them that next day. I want you to know what time it was. You might be the only person that there, it doesn't sound like there was an NFL welcome moment for

Neon Dion Dion. It was a welcome to Neon Dionne. For the the NFL after that sort of the way. Welcome to Prime, baby. I had just got there a few days before because I was swinging in the back. I had just got there because I was with the Yankees. I had just got there three

days before. Man, that's electric, man. So good, so good. I love you, big God. Thank you for being you. I love you. I love you. Just instilling so much confidence and so much of your hard work and how you do things, your walk, your talk, how you played the game,

man. I can't thank you enough from a kid in the 90s, from the swag to the glasses to everything, man. Keep doing you. Always watching you on Saturdays now, just like I was on Sundays, man. And good luck this week. You guys got Wyoming coming up, right? Yeah, I appreciate y'all, man. Keep in the book.

Go ahead and get after it, baby. Taking this thing to another level, what y'all have done and just putting alignment on the map, putting a tight end on the map. And just being the family, man, and keeping that family, man. I love it. I love it. And you guys have been good to me. You've been good to my kids.

You stood up for them and gave him love because you know what time it is. But I appreciate y'all, man, and I love you for it. You know that. You're the best. You're the best, coach. Good luck to the rest of the season. Thank you. You're doing it, baby.

You already know. All right. All right, and that wraps up another episode of New Heights. Thank you so much to our guests. Coach Prime Dion Sanders, my God. Man, that was a good one. Make sure you subscribe to the New Heights channel on YouTube and follow New Heights in the Wundery app

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Oh, shit. Hello? Sweetie, let me call you. back money's on the money's on the line right now and i can't um what it is quite let's go prime coach prime i'm like i'm famous now i'm with the kelsey brothers man i'm i'm i made it i made it call my mama till i made it all right man this has been trying to get on your level since the 90s baby hell yeah oh this is amazing