New Heights with Jason and Travis Kelce - Donna Kelce on Sibling Friendships, Young Love and What Moms Really Want for Mother's Day | EP 138

Episode Date: May 7, 2025

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Wondery Plus subscribers can listen to new heights early and ad free plus unlock access to exclusive episodes of the show Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app Apple podcast or Spotify today Mom, did you not like any of our Travis rise girlfriends? Or my girlfriend now wife Jason. You really didn't bring a lot of ladies home. Yeah, no, we got it, mom, okay. Yeah. Welcome back to New Heights, a wonder show produced by Wavesports and Entertainment and brought to you by Allstate. Yeah, buddy. You're in good hands with Allstate.

Don't you forget it. The best. Make sure you check first with Allstate. It's good advice. We're your hosts. I'm Travis Kelsey This is my big brother Jason Kelsey out of Cleveland Shout out to the calves shout out to the Cincinnati Bearcats. Haven't said that in a while. Love the Bearcats. What happened?

No, no, just give a shout. I just love nice cats from shout outs man Shout out to everybody down there since he subscribe on YouTube one two plus Wherever you get your podcast and follow the show on all social media at New Heights Show with 1S. Jason, tell the people what we got coming up. We got another amazing episode for you guys. This Sunday is Mother's Day, so we've got an incredible guest with us. Yay! Donna Kelsey. That's right. Donna Kelsey's joining us.

Ha ha! We'll talk about what Mother's Day was like in the Kelsey household, answer some of your parenting advice from voicemails and whatever else we talk about. I forget what we do, but it's pretty good. You're going to want to listen because Donna Kelsey never disappoints. But first, as always, got a little bit of that new news. New news. We asked you guys which baseball movie we should watch for our next New Heights Film Club. And the winner is.

That's right. It's the Sandlot. We knew it. We knew that was going to be a Sandlot. Wow, a lot closer. When did A League of Their Own, A League of Their Own must have came in late? Because initially it was like pretty, it was like tied neck and neck major league in Sandlot. And then Sandlot just some point took a commanding lead. Yeah, when I saw the league of their own was always in second.

We will be reviewing the movie on an episode in the next few weeks. So if you have any, if you have to follow along, watch the movie, you know, hear what we say, offer your own opinion, make sure you give it a watch. Do we think there's anyone that listens to the show that hasn't seen The Sandlot? I sure hope not. Like if you're someone who is a full grown adult and you never watched Sandlot as a kid, it's pretty sad. Dude, it's one of my favorites. And I actually haven't watched it in a while. It's been a while so I just know it's going to hit perfect when I watch it this time. Marshall It's gonna be good and I can't wait to look at it from a lens of judgment. That's it for new news. Yeah, let's go to our guest. Who could that be? Oh,

I already told you. Yeah, okay. It's Donny Kelsey. Mommy! Marshall Mom. Donny Yes. Marshall Mom, is it weird at all that Travis still calls you mommy? Donny It's kind of funny. I think it's hysterical. Mom yes mom is it weird at all that Travis still calls you mommy It's kind of funny. I think it's hysterical It's funny I take it as a you know, I get a chuckle

Doing it to make me laugh It's all the mom it's all the mommy needs to know is Okay. This is between us, Jason. It's what happens when you're the first born. Oh, geez, it's funny. You're the second born, Travis. Love you both. You're so much like Ed. It's fucking disgusting.

I know I'm like Ed. No. You have several redeeming qualities, Jason. Oh my gosh, Mom, don't go on Dad like that. He doesn't need that. I didn't say anything that he didn't. I didn't say he didn't, but I just said that you... It was implied.

Anyway. All right. Mom, do you know what you were brought here to do? Yeah, I think I've got to tell some stories and explain what it was like raising you two. So I think that's kind of what I'm here for. Does that sound correct? I think we got some like no dumb questions. Maybe voicemails. Oh, yeah. All right Well, that's all right. I'm sure guys both got lost all the time

But then Jason did it because he wasn't paying attention Travis did it on purpose to escape. I was never lost mommy. I was always You were escaping you were lost to us. I knew exactly where you guys were. I know. And I knew. I know. But we didn't know. I knew you guys were terrified.

Yeah, you were like Peter Pan's Lost Boys. You're doing it, Peter. You're really doing it. You're doing it, Peter. Bang-a-ray, yeah, okay Because I was gonna tell stories about the Superman Chip clip remember you had you put you used to put a towel both you guys would put a towel around your shoulders You put a chip clip right here. You would cut your neck I took you into daycare and you said that your father cut you with a knife.

I almost got taken down to the sounds like a Travis story. That was definitely me for sure. Dad was out of the country. He was in Mexico. So he couldn't have done it. Never showed me enough attention. He only cared about Jason. Dad was in Mexico because he had just slipped Travis's throat. He's like, I'm going to get the fuck out of Dodge. The one thing I know we're going to get to is we're going to run back that Dab was in Mexico because he had just slipped Travis's throat. He's like, I gotta get the fuck out of Dodge. The one thing I know we're going to get to is we're going to run back that question that we did in a bonus episode with Ed. What do you do if your child calls CPS on you?

Oh, nice. Well, that's happened with Travis. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. This is going to be great. All right. Guys, skip ahead just to Donna's intro right here. I am looking for Donna's intro and I do not see it.

Keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going. Mother's Day episode, got it? All right. All right. Joining us today is now a three time guest. That's so, I think, maybe it's the most. I think that might be more than Kai. You know it.

Three times guest, so she needs no introduction. That's right, 92%ers, give a warm welcome to our mother, Donna Kelsey. Mama Donna. Mom, how's the off season been? What you been up to? You know, it's been kind of slow. I've been taking it a little easy,

but going on a few trips here and there, so that's kind of fun. We live vicariously through you. You travel more than anyone we know, Mommy. No, no. I think you guys beat me by a mile. But Bahamas I've been. I've been to Dominican Republic, although it was interesting.

Then we went to... We were supposed to go to Haiti, but they had to redirect us because they were having some civil strife. So we ended up in St. Martin. Civil strife? St. Thomas. Yeah, they were. We civil strife. So we ended up in St. Martin. St. Thomas? Civil strife? St. Thomas, yeah, they were. We couldn't get off the ship. We had to bail and go to St. Thomas, but I'd much rather be there anyway. Sometimes you just got to get off the ship.

Yeah. Wait until the lights are out. We kept going like, who's on first? Where are we going? You know, what island are we at? We didn't know. So it was kind of fun. Simple Stripe sounds exciting. What is Simple Stripe for me? What was going on there in Haiti?

Jason, this is irrelevant. Yeah, no Jason, this isn't that show. I think those are called malicious. Those are called malicious. No, these were actual, anyway, it doesn't matter. Well, mommy, we have some some fun parenting advice voicemails for you that are 92% are sent in and so much more. But Jason, I think we got to get to get to a little. New news.

Oh, no, this no, I did this. I did this. Rock segment. Yep. Yeah, he's incorrect. Yeah, that was that was on me. I was a little higher up. Sorry about that. All righty, this week it is. Mom, isn't it impressive how much better we've gotten at this show? I enjoy it. Yeah.

I get to see you every week. Why don't we do this? Why don't we do this? Call this... New News? Yeah. I knew I was right. You were. I mean, sure. We'll call it that. Travis, he... Crush it. Crush it, Travis. Yeah, I knew I was right. You were I mean sure we'll call it that. Travis he crush it crush it Travis.

You look a little dark. Travert you have a tan. I know. No, it's just I'm in my just in Haiti. I'm everywhere. Okay, got it. Got it looks like you guys are having fun. Yeah, and we're about to have even more of a blast with you in this segment called New News.

New News. New News. New News. Here's your new news. Nice. There it is. There it is. All right.

This weekend is Mother's Day. And is this a real holiday, Jason? Are we considering this one a real holiday? Or made of what? Fuck yes. What are you talking about as a made-up holiday? Oh, you just always gotta ask. You always gotta ask that.

This one's... The holiday bearer over here. No, it's just, it's a recognized national holiday by pretty much every country in the world has their own version of Mother's Day because there's nobody more important in this world than mothers. Nobody would be here without one. This is true. Well, we'll see how much longer it's true. Probably isn't that too, like, far down the road to having kids born out of some of these, like, synthetic wombs.

You seen that, Mom? What do you think of synthetic wombs? Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. Would you ever do it? Stuff happens. Would you ever do it?

Would I ever do it? No, probably not. No? How do you think? There's got to be something wrong with those people that come out of them, right? No. You're going to have something wrong with them. No, it all has to do with, you know, your family's makeup and DNA and everything like

that. So it is what it is. Yeah, no matter where you're born or how you're born, it's just going to be a basis of your ancestry basically. Sometimes if you're born next to a power plant you can become a superhero. Yeah, OJ Water. Yeah. Well that might be true because we were born in North Ridgeville and there were a lot of corn fields so there's a lot of pesticides going on there. Oh nice. So maybe that's why you're mutants. Cool. That's why Jason's arms look like that.

Mom, what do moms really want on Mother's Day? They want to be with their children, which doesn't happen often, but when they're older. But yeah, that's basically it. It's time. That's it. You like flowers always make you happy, right? Yeah.

Yeah, basically. Yeah, flowers are nice and, you know, and... Pistachios? Yeah, I like pistachios. I do, I like macaroons or macarons, whatever they call them, French. Ooh, you like those? The little sandwiches.

I know that. Oh yeah, oh yeah. I thought you were a big fan of like the little turtles. I love those too. I love caramel and chocolate too. That's always good. Oh, can't ever go wrong with chocolates. Can't complain with that.

What do you think about it? But basically I think moms just want to be around their families. So sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. So it is what it is. All right. Well, there you go. You have any fun trips coming up anytime soon, mommy?

I do. I'm headed to Mexico. Oh, nice! Yes. Going in July and maybe some other trips. I'm not quite sure yet, but we'll let you know later on. So yeah, let me know. It might just magically appear.

I don't like to tell everybody where I'm going, but I do like to just pop up on people. Oh, cool. Nice. Keep me in the loop. Yep. It's not super warm yet. So as soon as May happens, it starts getting a little toasty down here. So I understand now when it comes.

So it's a little warm. Yeah. Might need to get you out of the toast and up to the fun parts of the spring and summer. I would like that. Up north, you know it. Where are you going to Mexico? I'm going with Shannon, her best friend, and I'm going with Lisa. So we're all we're going to do a trip to Mexico. Go up, I think it's Chitinita and Tulum. We're going to go visit the ruins. Oh, Tulum. Going to see some cenotes?

I don't know. That's a good question. But I like it when we got to go to Mexico with when the chiefs played there because we got to see Teotihuacan. So that was fun. That was wonderful. What's that? It's another place, Pyramids.

Pyramids of the Mayans. And it's massive. Jason, did you know that there were pyramids in Mexico too? One of the largest. I knew they were down there. Yeah, the Aztecs. Yeah, they had them down there, right? Yeah.

Yep. Didn't know their names though. Teotihuacan? Yeah. Teotihuacan is one of the places that... Nice. In fact, some of their pyramids are even bigger than the ones in Egypt. So we'll have to... It's kind of interesting. They don't teach us that.

You think aliens built them? Um... Be honest. You're under oath. I don't know. You know, it's... I just think it's too hard to make sure that everything fits so well. They either had to have technology that was, you know, passed down through the generations or somebody came and helped them. So, who knows? And that does it for new news.

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Brandon, can we uh which one should we pick some of these or should we just start rolling through them? What do you think? Wait, were you asking? Was I supposed to answer? Oh **** I said Brandon. Do you want to roll

through? Hey, Brandon. How you been? I've been good. Always, always happy to have you. Alright, one through five. Let me talk to your mom for a second. Go ahead. All right, first voice mail. Hi, my name is Stephanie.

I am a mom of two boys and I was just calling to see what words of encouragement would you give an 11 year old and a seven year old boy to encourage them to try another sport besides my kids love contact sports. They love lacrosse. They love tackle football. They like to wrestle. They like to ball. We want them to try baseball, to try basketball, but they're kind of like tunnel vision with contact sports. They love it. They can't get enough of it.

So what are some more- I like these guys a lot. I like these guys, they're our kind of guys. Seven year old boys to encourage them to try other sports. Great question, mom, you wanna take that one? Yeah, mom, you got it. How did you get us into all of them? You know, your dad was a big part of finding,

you know, different teams and things like that. But we always wanted you to just have a great time, have fun, keep busy when you're moving, you're not getting into any trouble, whatever sport you like. If you like, you know, contact sports and do that. If you like sports that are, you know, playing badminton or whatever, do that. It's like you have to love what you're doing. Otherwise you're not going to want to play.

Mommy, growing up, what was your what was the favorite? What was the one sport you loved watching us play the most? Like, what was the most exciting one? Well, I think as a parent, yeah, obviously the most exciting was team sports, you know, where hockey was a blast because it was constantly moving so you could watch things. There was no stopping. It was jumping off over the boards.

You just were going all the time. So you were out there a lot. You always had to keep an eye on us too in case we were going to throw our cups at you. Very true. But it was just, you know, I loved doing that because I paid attention to you and I got to watch you grow and blossom in hockey. But I also liked baseball because in baseball, you would be up to bat maybe once, maybe twice, and you would catch the ball maybe once or twice unless you were the pitcher or the catcher, which

Jason was. So he was constantly out there because he was catching and throwing pitches. They only put me on the mound when we hated the other team and they wanted to see me just strike fear into kids. Yeah, and throw the ball like this close to their nose. Yeah. But I enjoyed the parents at those sports. Baseball, the parents were just awesome. And we laughed a lot. Mom was always in the right field in the baseball games, having a comedy hour with all the other mothers on

the team. We were always telling jokes and laughing. It was great. And then they're like, wait a minute, my son's up to bet. Mom, what do you think is the key to getting kids to enjoy sports? What did you use to do to try and get us to have fun or get us into new activities? You were the ones that drove it. It wasn't us. You drove it. You said

what you liked, what you wanted to do. If you wanted to be in a play, you were in a play. If you wanted to do swim cadets, you did swim cadets. If you have, you know, it's like we just went along for the ride. You guys drove everything and that's the way it should be. Parents should stay out of it. They shouldn't push their kids into things they don't want to do. They're going to have a wonderful childhood. If they love what they do, they're going to get good at it. So that's as simple as that. You guys did a great job of introducing sports.

I remember Jason started playing football in middle school and I was always two steps behind. So I was in fifth grade while he was in seventh grade and I was always two steps behind. So I was in fifth grade while he was in seventh grade. And he was starting to play football and I was like, man, I want to play football. I remember dad took me down to Heights Tigers tryouts and I saw how many kids were trying out for the football team at that age. And I was just overwhelmed with like not knowing anybody and understanding like as a as a kid you kind of want to play sports with your friends or people that you know and things like that.

You guys always found teams where we knew the kids on the team. Well, definitely we would check out who the coaches were, what the parents, what parents were there, who was involved. If there were a bunch of parents that were involved if there were a bunch of parents that were involved, there were a bunch of parents that weren't involved. You know, it's really important because as children grow up, they're not going to tell you anything. They're going to tell their friends stuff and they're going to get to their friends' parents and talk to them. So, I think you just want to surround your children with a huge group of

individuals that are of like minds. So I remember I was I was in middle school and I was playing for a new baseball team called CBA, Cleveland Baseball Academy. Yeah. And the academy was very, they were very like respectable in the baseball community in Cleveland. And I thought that my talent was there, but it also said that I had to maintain a GPA of 3.0 to stay on the team. And I looked at my dad after the trials and I was like, dad, I think I could play on this team, but I don't know if I could, I don't know if I can keep up this old 3.0 GPA. Yeah. And yeah, so I ended up just cheating the system because when you're good at sports, they want you on the team. Mom, what do I, if there's a kid you had, let's say we had a third brother.

If we had a third brother? Oh my. You have a third brother, third brother named Dale. Dale didn't like sports and he didn't want to do anything but sit in the house all day. Would you just let Dale sit in the house all day and not play sports or do anything extracurricular? You know, I would try to find something that they like to do, you know, anything to get them out of the house, you know, whether it was, maybe they wanted to be a long distance runner, maybe they were just like, this kid wants to do nothing.

He's got no motivation, no friends, hypothetical. Oh, wow. That's a rough one. Because you have to take a look at personalities too. I mean, you can't force somebody to do something. You have to find something they're going to like. Why not? They got it.

Your parents, of course you can. You're your mom. You can force them something they're gonna like. Why not? They got it. Your parents, of course you can. You're you're a mom. You can force them to do whatever you want. All you can do is is give them opportunity to find things that they like to do. So keep trying. You can lead them to water. Keep trying. You can lead them. They're not just at the house doing anything, Jason. They're into something. You have you you just it's important. You know, for social. If it's video games, take them down to the arcades. See if the guy would have takes it. It's just important socially. Because that's how everything is run in this world is on Teams. You know, it's like.

Well, right now. Yeah. Yeah, it's true. Wait till AI takes over. Yeah, I know. We're even going to have surgeries. I think you can find, you know, what your kid likes to do. I think parents know what they like. So you just have to direct

them in that way. Try to get them help. Let's say they're a musician, get them some music lessons, you know, just, you know, try to find out what they're, what they really, really like. Yeah. I mean, that's the thing. It's feed that passion. Can we get to... Let's get to that question. Yeah, let's get to another question here. I feel like this would be a better question for Donna, Kelsey.

Lucky for you. But as a mom of two boys, age four and one, what are some ways that I can cultivate their relationship so they grow up to be close brothers like Jason and Travis? Two years apart is different than three years apart. It is, it is. Yeah that's a rough one. I don't think you cultivate anything. I think the dynamic of the family is the dynamic of the family. You know, I didn't try to force anything. I didn't try to steer it in any way. I think

kids are born with certain characteristics. I think some parents take too much, you know, credit for their children's success and for their failures. I don't. I do. It's all on you. You got a shit-head kid, it's on the parents, you got two Hall of Fame NFL playing kids, it's all on the picks. You got to have it both ways, Mom. You know what, Mom? I think it's on the older sibling. I think eventually you gotta let the older sibling know.

I think that's what you and Dad did a great job of is that you forced Jason to be my friend. And by doing this, Jason would then just torture me. He would find fun ways to say, we're playing together. But in reality, playing together with Jason was, hey Travis, you want to go be the goalie outside so I could just rip slap shots at you in the driveway. Like, yeah, of course I want to play with you. Oh man, our garage door was like pockmarked. Family activities always wins. I truly believe that children, no matter who the parent is, if they want something bad

enough it's going to happen. They just have to have a drive. Some kids are born with that are driven, some kids aren't. All we gave you was opportunity. You guys ran with it. We followed what you wanted, what you thought was good. Unless it was against the law, we let you do pretty much, you know, whatever you thought would be fun.

You guys help motivate it as well by having good family. I'm going to disagree heavily with my mother's saying right now. I think that if you want two brothers to love each other, as parents, you need to go above and beyond to make sure that both kids feel like they're getting loved and attention in the same amounts. Yes. And encourage the brothers when they celebrate each other. I think that like, for me, I think a lot of the siblings that I know that aren't close,

or the ones that feel like they have like fractured relationships, a lot of those feel like there's like a competitiveness to the relationship with their siblings that quite frankly, Travis and I just have never felt. Yeah, I think you and dad both did a great job. Our entire lives of like, taking me to Travis's games to watch him play, having Trav come to my games and watch me play like there was a concerted effort by both of you to not only celebrate both of us, but to have each of us celebrate our brother. Right.

And I think that that's I think that's the answer personally. You have to. Okay. What's the point? It's going to be competitive naturally. You want to be competitive. Then you have to have dad tell the older one that her mom tell the older one to lose some time to make the younger one feel better.

Sometimes it's going to happen. It's going to bite your tongue. know this guy no that never happened can't fool me i i just learned how to flank you can't fool me he got better because you wouldn't let him win so that's what i tell myself travis is so much better than me because I beat the shit out of him all the time But then you also reveled in each other's wins I mean you were happy when Travis won, you know, you were there rooting them on You know it is it was went both ways, you know, so Happy when I lost it was crazy. No, I mean, sometimes when I knew you needed it. All right, here we go Brandon.

What's the next one? That was gold. And you have to have a good sense of humor too. What's the next one? Hi Jason. Hi Travis. My name is Eileen. I am from Orlando, Florida and who's your marriage advice?

Now Jason, I know you have really small children, but they're going to play and they will be teenagers. So I've got a 17 year old son who's a senior in high school. He's trying to make a college decision. And he currently wants to change all of his plans to follow his girlfriend to where she's going to college. Ooh. Should I let him? Give me your best advice. Oh man, that happens a lot. I don't know if I should let him make a life-changing decision to follow her, but should I also

follow or stop young love? Let me know what you think. I don't know. Should we let mom take this one first? Or do we take a stab at it first? I wouldn't even know where to go with that. It's hard. I know several of my friends allowed their kid to go where their boyfriend was going

vice versa, but... Did it work out? Never. No. Not once. No, not once. But you know, sometimes, except, well, one of my friends got married right out of high school and they're still married, so you never know.

Oh, nice. There you go. Happens sometimes. Sometimes it's your, you know, the person, it's your person. Did they go to college though? Or did they stay? No, they never did. Yeah, see, see, that's, that's a, that's a sheltered individual getting married out of college school and just staying that way.

What? It's not how it works, Jason. Kidding, kidding. Not everybody has to go to college. Yeah. College is a decision you have to make for yourself. It is a selfish decision that, College is a decision you have to make for yourself. It is a selfish decision that you have to make for the future of whatever career or lane that you want to take in life. I know that that's, I mean, it's got to be tough to have, you know, a loved one that might be doing something completely different. Yeah, clearly mom does not like this girl.

Why doesn't she? She's Why isn't like the girl? Why isn't she wanting to go to where you're going to college? Like is it, is there a trade off here? You know, they're, I don't know. I think nobody should go to a school to follow somebody else other than how I went to Cincinnati to go there because of Jason. I don't think anybody should go to college to follow somebody else.

I think they should go there for the values that they see are going to be best fitting for them. I think you're dealing, I agree a thousand percent with Travis. And I think that that's what you have to say to the, to your son as well. If you say like, I'm not letting you go to school, it's not gonna work out. Is it like... No, you don't wanna say that. But here's the thing. Go ahead. You got it, mom. I'm not gonna interrupt you.

I think that if you're gonna do the same thing and go to a college and have the same friends around you, you're never gonna have any growth. Okay? You're never gonna be able to be on your own and try to figure things out on your own. You're always going to have somebody there beside you to help you through all those decisions. But when you go to college, you're totally, usually, totally on your own. And you do not have anyone there. You just kind of fail and then you win.

You know what I mean? Sometimes, you know, you have little setbacks, there's adversity, you have to work through it. That's why I don't think it's a good idea for being at home when you're going to college or being close. I think people should go as far away as they possibly can, you know? So that's my viewpoint. I think that you grow more when you're away from people that are with you all the time. I don't disagree with that. But I think you can't get into the idea that you're going to force your kid to not go to college somewhere. I just think it's not going to work. You got to approach it from a... That's how you get Rummy and Juliet.

Exactly. That's right. That's right. You got to do what Trav said, which is basically just explain to them like, listen, you go to college to learn and get a degree. You don't go to college so you can be with other people. Like that's not why you go to college. If you want to do that, just don't go to college and go live wherever that person is. Like, that's not the reason you choose to go to a college. No. If, and I would say this to the person, choose to go to a college. No. If, and I would say this to the person, if it's meant to be with you in this person, college will not be the thing that separates you two. If you go into a different school ends up breaking your relationship, that shit wasn't going to last anyway, brother. Like it was going to be over sooner or later. Yeah. Yeah. So it's a hard one though.

Mom, did you not like any of our Travis Rye's girlfriends or my girlfriend, now wife? Jason, you really didn't bring a lot of ladies home. Yeah, no, we got it mom. Okay. You dated, but I didn't know any of them. So same thing with Trav. I, you know, I met one or two, but I didn't know any of them. So the same thing with Trav. I, you know, I met one or two, but I didn't know anybody that you guys were dating. I knew nothing of anybody

that you guys were dating in college. You told me zero. Zero. Yeah. What did you think of? Okay, here we go. Let's just move on. You were too busy. Did you have any time at all to date? I don't know. Who, me? Yeah, I had plenty of time. I had absolutely zero game and I looked like an overweight oompa loompa. That's why I didn't have any girlfriends. Overweight? I guess in high school I wasn't.

No, no, no. I just sucked at talking to women for whatever reason. Well, you've changed. So that's good. I don't know if I did. You've always been the coolest kid. Thank you to our partner, Borris Head. You know what makes my day? The perfect sandwich.

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Should we call Ed? I was going to say it. You brought up Ed Kelsey. We got to go to Ed Kelsey for this one. This man, just so everyone knows, like he grew up in a different day and age. For sure. All right, so a lot of the things that were acceptable back then. We have no idea what's going to come out of his mouth.

Hey, what's up? Dad. Yeah? Travis and I are on the podcast right now. We want your advice. Okay. Somebody wants your advice, not us really. I kind of want your advice on this.

We both are interested in your answer. All right. What would Ed Kelsey's reaction to Travis out in public telling some strangers that you stole him? What would my reaction be? Yeah. Yeah, shut the fuck up. That's number one, alright?

You know, get your little ass home and you'll be begging to be fucking stolen. You guys know, that would never really happen. I'm telling you. That would never really happen. Really good about being you guys. Yeah. Yeah. Never really happened. Right.

Yeah. You tell us what you would do in this situation. Oh, man. Hello. So I'm a 22 year old female and I have a five year old daughter and she keeps going around telling people in Walmart or anywhere we go that I had stole her and I am wondering how I can fix this because I am getting weird glances and I have had the police called on multiple times. can fix this because I am getting weird glances and I have had the police called on multiple times. So I was wondering like how I could change my parenting style to fix this. Like

it's gotten seriously bad that I've gotten CPS called on me. I've gotten a lot of, a lot of calls about it and I was just wondering how I could fix this. Hi, mom, what do you think? Well, I think it's a huge attention getter for this kid and he's loving the attention, whether it's a boy or a girl. So I don't know what to tell you there. It's- If you seek attention, you will get it at that age. Yeah, yeah. So the thing is, is to start paying attention at things you want

him to do instead of things that you don't want him to do. Oh, that's great advice, mommy. That's very good advice. Just bring some munchkins with you. Yeah, just bring some munchkins. You won't want to fucking go anywhere. God, they're so good. Oh, that's good, mom. Dad said it would have been me doing that. Can you please tell the world who it really would have been? It would have been you. Because don't you remember when you were- Because you never showed me attention. No, you loved attention and so did Jason really too.

But don't you remember when you were like three years old, you were at, what do you call it? Preschool. Okay. Jason was already in school at this point. He was going to first grade or whatever. And used to run around the house with this towel over you and in this chip clip. Okay. And so the chip clip, you know, cut your neck right there. And so we went into preschool and you told everybody that they asked you how that happened. And you told everyone that it was your father and that he cut you with a knife. So I said, well, wait a minute, he's not home. He's at work and he's in Mexico right now. So they looked

at me like it's me you're protecting me and it was me that cut him with a knife so I had a lot of explaining to do. No you would never do that. Ed would threaten me he'd put the knife to my neck and then be like you want me to do it. I'm just kidding. You just love to embellish things and you love to tell stories and that's the same thing with this kid I like to see how things were playing out I just kind of like to you know, I like to manipulate things a little bit I'll see how the things are gonna play out and then I realized I can't do that to my parents. So I stopped doing that

Yeah, that's the thing. It's like I think when you saw me in the distress that I was in that was the last time I ever did that saw me in the distress that I was in. That was the last time I ever did that. So that ended that. But this obviously, this child does not care and they love the attention so much. So it's hard, you know, sometimes, you know, I don't know what to tell you with this one. It just sounds like he's having way too much fun irritating the hell out of his mother. What do you think of hitting them? hitting the hell out of his mother. What do you think of hitting them? No? Mom. No.

Don't you do mom like that. Mom, so you heard the voicemail. Back to the voicemail. Yes. What do you think Ed Kelsey would have said in this moment if I was at the grocery store and I was telling everybody that he stole me. He would say, fuck, you know, like, like, shut the fuck up. And he would say, I'll give you something to cry about.

Very true. Very true. The other thing I would do, I would tell this mother, find out who called the police and sue that motherfucker. There you go. I would make life miserable for any asshole that went to an authority to say, this child says he's been stolen. Yeah.

Okay? You got to take some shit serious. Yeah. You know, I... But child theft is not some shit serious. Yeah. But child theft is not one of them. No. We thought that you would go Ed Kelsey reverse psychology on him. Whenever we would threaten to call the police, you used to say, well, here's the phone, go ahead, call him. So, we thought maybe you go like, yeah, I stole them, I stole them right down the street.

Just lean into it. I stole them. I'm actually selling them. You want to buy them? All right, Pop. All right. That was great. Thank you. Appreciate it.

All righty. Love you. Oh, God. Dad's calling me back. Yeah. Yeah. One thing that's fair, that bears, you know, we didn't talk about it, you know, it's gone back. Yeah. Yeah. The one thing that's fair, that bears, uh, you know, we didn't talk about it. And you know, it's part of this whole discussion is if that would have happened,

yeah, that would have been Travis. The one that would have tried to pull that off. The other side of it was, you know, a fucking cop would come to the door, looked at either one of you guys and looked at me and said, you know, this is, they're same fucking people. Yeah, yeah, no, it would have been a hard sell. It would have been a hard sell. But the only way that would have, Travis would have tried that shit.

I can see that for sure. Travis, I can see Travis. I agree. All righty. Well, you got, I mean, he's eating his munchkin. All right, mommy. Thank you for blessing us yet again. Happy Mother's Day, of course, to the best mother in the world and happy Mother's Day to all the other 92 percenters out there. Make sure you guys show some love to your mom. Absolutely. If you can't see him, call him for sure. They want to hear from you. Love you.

Love you, mom. Thank you so much. Sorry for torturing you. I love you so much. Jason, you got Mother's Day plans? You got it? You got to figure it out? No, I don't. I'm happy that we're doing this episode because I forgot all about it as usual. Jesus. You don't forget beer day. Yeah, you were all in on beer day. Mother's Day somehow missed the counter, didn't it? I did not remember beer day at all. When is Mother's Day? The 11th. Yeah, you were all in on Beer Day. Mother's Day somehow missed the counter, didn't it? I did not remember Beer Day at all. When is Mother's Day? The 11th. Yeah, I got plenty of time.

You got plenty of time. We got plenty of time to go to CVS at the last minute. Get a nice card. I got you two for one on body armor waters. Yeah, for some reason all the prisoners were taken. There were no more chocolates. I went down to Chocolate Isle, there was nothing. So weird. So weird. It's like there's some sort of chocolate finish. It's crazy. I bought this like a week ago. I definitely was on top of it. It must have been those terrorists. They were out of Mother's Day cards, so I just got you a

Father's Day card with crossed out father on all of them. Dude, that would actually be on your list. Only to give to Kylie. It says Happy Father's Day, but my name is crossed out on it? Happy crossed out Mother's Day. I'm trying to think of like what a Father's Day card is. Do they even make Father's Day cards? Of course not. Kiley, I got you these 8 a.m. golf ball seat belts. Just frees you.

I got you these Nikes that I tore the back on already. Hey, that wraps up another episode of New Heights. Dona Kelsey, you are the best. Love you, mom. Love you, Mommy. Make sure you're subscribed on YouTube to the New Heights channel. Follow New Heights on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes of New Heights early and ad free right now by joining Wondery plus in the Wondery app or on Apple podcasts. How about it? Once again, New Heights, a Wondery show produced by Wavesports and Entertainment and

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Happy Mother's Day to the good ones. You know who you are. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Mother's Day to the good ones. You know who you are. Travis, what would you do if hypothetically I was gonna make you a cleat? Would you try it? No. I mean, I would do it nice though. I would do a good job with it. No.

I wouldn't do a shitty one. Would you just try it though? No. Damn. Why? Because I think I'm gonna do that. You're gonna do what? I'm gonna make a cleat.

I'm gonna cobble you a shoe. I'm gonna cobble you a shoe. Well what kind of shoe? A cleat. No, not a cleat. You can do a shoe. Why not a clite? Because I don't trust your cleats. I'm gonna do it in the utmost. I'm gonna use the right techniques.

No, you're not. I'm gonna use the mold of the old cleats that used to like the guardians or whatever they were called. I got a pair of those. It's not. You told me whatever cleat you used to wear. I technically still wear it. No, not the Jordan one, the other one? It's the same cleat.

The Jordan cleat? Yeah. It's not the same cleat. Let's talk about it a little later, AKA, no, I'm not doing it. All right. You got flanked. You got flanked. Follow New Heights on the Wondry app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to New Heights early and ad free.

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