New Heights with Jason and Travis Kelce - Erin & Charissa on Sideline Mishaps, Best Kelce Convo, Girl Dad Advice & Being a Plus One | EP 166

Episode Date: November 24, 2025

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92%, you already know what time it is. That's right. We got a very special guest episode for you today. We have got Aaron Andrews and Carissa Thompson on the show. What? Are we the first females to be on this podcast since a certain incredible interview? We'll almost have the same views. A lot of great stuff about the careers.

I worked in Olympics with him. Nobody could out drink. Who their favorite athletes are to interview. Hi, I'm Aaron Andrews. I work on college game day, but you're my first. crush ever and shut up shut up boyfriend whistles i'm ordering a whistle right now off amazon steve i'm gonna have a long night ahead of his sweetheart parenting everything should revolve around you sitting your ass on the couch you're gonna be in a great dad sports you know how much shrimp a two fe i had

working at ESPN fathers grab my dad and started swinging him around like a rag doll a lot of great stuff coming up right now and i just invited myself over to the kelsey household for thanksgiving Chris, so we're having a Tardacken! Welcome back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls at Wondry Show, brought to you by KFC. How about that? Get you some famous bowls and a bucket of KFC. Check it, baby. That's what I'm talking about. Take me back. We're your host. I'm Travis Kelsey.

My big brother, Jason Kelsey. Subscribe on YouTube, Wondry Plus, wherever you get your podcast and follow the show on all social media at New Heights show with one ass. Jason, tell the people what we got coming up today. All right. Our guests today are two legends in the sports media world. Hey, you know them from Fox NFL Sunday, Thursday night football, and as the co-host of the Calm Down podcast. They cover Super Bowls, the World Series, BCS champions, NBA all-star games, celebrity diving competitions, and even spelling bees. That's right. Between them, they've got an Emmy, a Pat Summer Award, and a third place finish on day. Dancing with the Stars, two of the most requested guests we've ever had on this show.

92 percenters, please welcome Aaron Andrews and Carissa Thompson. Yes, great. Bram, baby, baby, baby, baby, boom, me, ma, me, ma, me, ma. Aaron doesn't break those pom-poms out for nothing. Uh-uh. That intro is everything you know, I keep them locked down. Hi, guys. What's going on?

Yeah. What I was starting up to. Get out. Bring them back. Come on, all of your children. Can we make the joke, Carissa? Are we the first females to be on this podcast since a certain incredible interview that you had and we're going to be? We'll almost have the same views. Yeah, I'm sure.

We're just lucky enough to have you guys on here. I got to know, who did the spelling be? Like you, Trave, I can't read. I mean, I can't. I can't. I can't read or speak. I can't. I just took at you, Trout.

Oh, Tram, admittedly so. Everyone knows at this point. This is self-professed by Travis. If I can't read, I sure as hell can't spell. That's the damn thing. You and Julian Edelman, Jules also says that he can't read. So there's that. And he says he likes big men.

So there's that. I appreciate you guys, including the diving competition. Respectfully, I say this, that the diving competition that I hosted on ABC was more of a flop than it was a splash, which was the name of it. Oh, my, I like, okay. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on a, you know, 35-meter platform and see what happens. I was like, who's idea we know? So we would say there was not a season two.

And I'd like to say third place was I lost. She won the competition to Nicole Scherzinger, Pussycat Doll. She had been in performing art school since she was 14 years old. And I got third place to Evan Lysichick, who had just won the gold medal for figure skating in the Winter Olympics. If I had been asked to read a box score, I would have fucking won. You know what I'm right. That's right. I would have.

That's a beggar. You're never won in our heart. Thank you. You were first place in my mind. All right. Let's get into it. You guys have interviewed both me and Jason. Who's a better interviewee?

Interviewee, yeah. Interviewee? I had the great privilege with interviewing you both at the same time. I don't know when this was. This was like 10 lifetimes ago. It's got to be at least 10 years ago that I sat down with you guys for NFL film. I think it was Jason's Super Bowl. Yeah. And it was, we were in, where we in, we were by year old high school because NFL films was doing a feature on you guys. And so I sat down

with both of you. And it was so wonderful. And that's when I learned, Travis, that you wear number 87 because of Jason. Don't let him tell you. Which Jason's the biggest load of shit. He's not, he's not a load of shit. Did not pick that number because of that. You've somehow retroactively worked this in. There's no way. It was, it was, it was the only number that I had a connection to. You just like Tony Gonzalez, and you, what did you wear 87 for? What did you wear 87 for? We went over this in the interview that Clarissa had with us in Cleveland. Travis told me that he wears number 87 because that's the year that Jason was born.

And I thought that was so nice. And that's how it all started. Without Jason, I wouldn't be where I am today. Exactly. Now, say it back, Jason. Without Travis, I would be, I'd be way more successful than that. I'm holding them back. A complete opposite.

On the flip side, though, Jason has been known to be the, what is it, the Sandra, the, what was the woman that everyone's calling you? No, he's not. No, I wish I was at this point. Jason has been known as a journalist himself now being with ESPN. What do you think of his interviewing skills? Are you going to say Barbara Walters? There it is. That's what he was going to say.

Diane Sawyer. I was like Sandra Walters. Sandra Walters. Sandra Walter. Barbara Walters. I think you're killing it, Jason. We saw you. I don't know where we saw you recently.

But yeah, I think you're doing an amazing job. I will tell you, though, we were just making a joke about, you know, when you guys had Taylor on. Chris and I were both saying after that, you nailed that. You freaking crushed that. And actually, I'm going to ask you some questions right now. Pre-prepared. I mean, because you just were banging them out. We have a great editing team.

They're very good. And I think anybody could have done a good job interviewing Tara. She was. Oh, well, yeah. She was fantastic. And I don't know. I just, I appreciate you saying that. It was a lot of fun.

You did a good job. Yeah. I'm terrible. I can't interview anybody. I flip over my words. I stumble. No, you don't. But that was a fun one for sure.

I've been in production meetings with you. Remember, I don't know. We were sitting in the back. We were sitting with you. and Tom Rinaldi, Rinaldi, Dio. And he asked you something about a family member. Yeah, you started bawling in our production meeting. Do you remember that?

I do remember it. Tom, Rinaldi can make anybody crafty. That guy is just like perfect of tugging at the heartstrings. But, yeah, I've been known to shed a couple tears. I try to hold it back. Like, I know that I'm not supposed to, but I can't not do it. I don't know. Yeah.

Anyways, yeah. What's the been the big, what's, okay, you go ahead. This is your podcast. You ask the question. No, no, please take this over. They want to hear from you guys. They hear it up from us. Well, because, Jake, the last time that I saw you,

you were a guest, like a week guest on, not a week, yes. Don't take that out of context. Don't edit that. You were in Chicago. You were, yeah, we were in Chicago and we did the kicking contest, but on Thursday night football, you came in and you filled in for the week, and it was awesome and just, you know, we're a guest of ours.

But I haven't seen you since then. And so obviously now with, you know, almost a full year under your belt and broadcasting, what's been the biggest surprise for you? Oh, man. Man, how much travel it is and how much more you have to lock into everything across the whole, like NFL. Yeah. Like I think when you play, you get so used to just focusing on your team and who you're playing that week. And a lot of times you kind of don't know what's happening, like, holistically across the whole league.

Now I'm probably watching more football than I've ever watched because you have to watch as many games as possible. You're watching press conferences. You're doing all these things that as a player you just don't pay attention to. And then on top of that, every week's an away game. Every week you're traveling. And that is awesome in some ways. You get to go to a lot of cool cities and there's not as much pressure as playing. But at the same time, it is a lot of travel.

So I enjoy the ability to stay involved with the games. I like the fact that we get to go to the games. So we get to see players and coaches. But I would say those are the two things that probably were the most, like, getting used to. Can I ask now that you aren't playing in the game, but you're watching from the viewpoint that we have every week, is there a particular stadium or area that you've been to? And you're like, this is awesome. This is really cool.

Oh, man. I hate to say this. And Eagles fans are going to be furious. I never liked playing in Jerry World. I hated that stadium. Isn't it the best? It's fucking awesome. It's a cool spot of the spectator.

Do you have the chicken fingers there yet? Fire. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Everything. I mean, they've done a really good job. with that place from a viewing standpoint. Vegas is like a show.

Like it feels like you're at a legitimate concert there, which we were just there this week. So I think that's probably just fresh. And then, you know, there's a lot. The places you'd like playing as a player too, there's like a charm to it as well. Like I've always loved going to the Packer Stadium for much different reasons in Jerry World.

It's awesome. So, yeah. And then trying to think of like another spot that would be bills. I think it's like, I can't wait to see the new stadium when they build that what it feels like. But I've been enjoying the last couple seasons.

You know what it looks like? Jason, it looks like from the outside. It looks like Allegiant Stadium. It looks like that kind of like that same design, that kind of spaceship thing. But I kind of miss that. I don't know. I mean, the nostalgia of Orchard Park is like its own. It's going to be hard. Yeah, you can't replicate it. No.

I am happy that it's open though. Yeah. We're going to still see Buffalo snow games. I get this year, I've never really in my career done a massive like snow game. And I've wanted to so bad. You watch these people like Rams Philly playoff game last year. I wanted to do something like that so bad where I just look like Ralphie and Randy in Christmas story.

Oh, yeah, you did. Famous Winston doing Snow Angels. Yes, in Cleveland. And then they made the playoff. Yeah, it was really fun. But sorry, you go ahead. No, no, no. But we're doing Philly at Bills, I believe.

Later, I think it's right after Christmas. So the potential of, you know, a snow globe game could be fire. So it would be exciting. Up there on the lake. Yeah. It's almost a guarantee. You're going to get a little bit of snow. Oh, for sure.

I hope so. Was that the James West says, how lucky are we? How lucky are we to be playing football in Cleveland, Ohio? Exactly. And he's talking about the Calvary with the horses and the whole thing in Kelly's pre-game interview. Isn't football just better when James is starting?

Yes. Yes. It's not even a question. Also, too, because from our vantage point, I just think about the reporters, like when he stands up there at the podium, I'm like, you know you're going to get something, even if it's bad. You know, obviously he ends that game by throwing the interception, and he still is positive.

And you're like, this guy is the ultimate optimist. He's won at life. He's won a lot. I got to shoot that question back to you guys, though. Going into every single NFL stadium all over the country, which one's your favorite to visit? Hit it, C.T. Well, nostalgia of Lambeau is always number one. I mean, that is football.

So that's number one for me. But also, I love Arrowhead's great, too. I'm not just saying that because it's true. It's because it doesn't, it's not, it hasn't gone corporate. And as much as these big stadiums are great for some reason, you start to lose that field. This, your stadium is very much like a college field because the fans are right on top of the field and you don't have all the sweets down below and that kind of stuff. I also love Charlotte has some bangers. I always like the DJs.

Oh, they play some tunes. Yeah. In Santa Clara at Levi's Stadium, the music. Aaron and I are big on the DJs. Oh, yeah. They're playing some pretty Pablo or? See, that good music. Of course.

In North Carolina. The moment braze up. So good. Like a helicopter. Mm-hmm. And then, of course, in Atlanta, you get Luda every other second. So it's good. Yeah.

What about you on? I feel like because I've been doing this 100 years, it's the little things. Like Jerry's world, they take care of you. It's inside. I mean, I know the players have the sun in their eyes and that sucks for a 425, you know, game. But me, I'm looking great. The chicken fingers are fire. I love going to the link because, um,

Obviously, you know, it's fun, great hotel, fire dinner the night before. Dom, I know he's trying to take care of the team, but he's looking out for the girl, which I appreciate. You need an IV. You need to work out. Fine. Don, we'll take care. I'm into it.

Lampos fire. Like, it's always such a fun time. I've done games minus 10 there. I've done games that are hot there. I've done games that we didn't think it was supposed to snow and all of a sudden it did. It's just a pain in the butt getting to. I love you, Wisconsin. You're so much fun, you know, to, once we're,

there it's a time but man it's hard getting out i'm going to tell you what she misses troy eggman's plane is what she misses because that's very i got the out michael fits in and i'm out thank you know who's taking advantage of the troy ickman playing these days of swagoo swaggoo's always hopping on the yeah oh i bet he better not be in my seat he keeps calling troy his best friend so he keeps that plane situation fresh i bet he does you're all fbo is your best friend. Got it. We were talking about Jerry's World.

I'm actually going to Jerry's World on Thanksgiving. You are. You guys have a few Thanksgiving games, I believe, and a Black Friday game as well, right? Yep. What's that like doing like hosting a holiday game? And is that any different than the actual ones or is it just kind of getting away from the family? Since I've gone into this industry, because I used to do Thursday night football with Mike Torrico, Kirk Herb Street.

We had a group together. I mean, we were doing West Virginia. games, you know, and Louisville, West Virginia on Thursday. Oh, yeah. So it's hard, but I think it's, you know, Chris and I say it all the time to women that ask us about being in the industry. It's one of the best jobs, but you have to love it because, you know, in the morning on Thanksgiving, you're sitting in a hotel room watching the Macy's Day parade, but then you have a front road seat to some of the best athletes in the world. So it's also pretty badass because we have some amazing games that we get to watch. And I just invited myself over to the Kelsey household for

for the black for for for thanksgiving come on come on over christ yeah it's great and then i'm gonna be with you trava in kansas city i got we got broncos chiefs on christmas so fun how do you like playing on christmas because you did it last year too you do i don't love it why i do i love it i just you know i um i think i have a blast going outside of just playing the game i love on on a on a day like that when every when i know everybody's enjoying their families together or sitting around a campfire or sitting around the chimney or the Christmas tree watching the games at home. And I just know it's, I can, I can, I can almost feel the, the excitement of Christmas that everyone else is enjoying while I'm on the field. And I don't know.

It's just, it's a fun, it's a fun atmosphere. I've had the pleasure of playing, I think, three games on Christmas. And each and every single one of them, I had a blast. And on top of that, I get to have everybody come through to Kansas City. Christmas and Casey this year. So it'll be a good time. That's right. Those games just feel different. They do.

Like Thanksgiving, we all on Fox, we pay tribute to John Madden, which is really, really special. So that day just feels different for us. Yeah. And for Duckin. Mm-hmm. You guys ever had the Produckon? I have never had one. I've always wanted to.

I don't even know where you get that. I'll get one sent to your house. They send us all one. Yeah, we'll get them for you guys. Chris, so we're having a Turdecken. God damn right. By the way, I'm packing that on air, Al, and I'll see you in Philadelphia. It is so good.

Can you fry a turduckin or does it have to be roasted? How do you cook a turduckin? That's a great question. Why not? Well, because they're stuffing on the inside. Yeah. There's a lot of things in there. Hey, one guy that we all love on this podcast a lot, Greg Olson, we had Greg Olson

eat a turduckin one year and it was just like, ah, ha. He went crazy. Oh, my God. So good. Hands through the hair, you know, by the third quarter, it was so fabulous. Yeah. Forget the gel.

It's just a straight grease. Jason likes to do a fried turkey. Yeah, we do too. I do like trying. I prefer the fried. Same. No, I'm saying you like to fry your turkey on Thanksgiving. Yeah, I'm frying it.

Same. All right, all right. Just want to make sure. Yeah. Wait, you actually do it, Jace? Oh, yeah. Jared does it too. He's gone through three friars.

I do tend to leave the oil in the fryer outside for too long, and then we've got to pitch the friar, but yeah. So what's the key to a perfect fried turkey? Got to brine it. Definitely make sure that it's completely thawed and there's no, it's not frozen and all that leads to a disaster. You don't want that. You got to make sure you get the fill line properly, right?

Because obviously, when you put the turkey in, the oil is going to come up. So you don't want that oil too high, but you want enough that it's going to cover the bird. But yeah, you brine it. There's an injector. One of our former strength coaches told me, I forget the name. But there's a specific injector of like butter, creole seasoning that you inject right before you put it in the fryer.

It is real good. Very good. Yeah. That's about it. Yeah. We love it. Put the seasoning on the outside of it. Yeah.

They're good. I feel like once you fry turkey, you can't go back. Jared does one every year. I love it. I'm with you. 100%. Mom and dad. Mom and mom.

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There's a little bit of something for everyone. Listen to Tis the Grinch holiday podcast wherever you get your podcasts. How did you guys decide do you want to do this with your lives? What leads to becoming a broadcaster, journalist, in sports? Aaron and I have very similar motivations. I'll let her tell her side of the story but mine was because I loved hanging out with my dad

and he would watch football every Sunday I would beg my mom to miss church so I could just hang out with my dad I would sit next to him and I had one very just one simple rule I wasn't allowed to talk he would teach me the game if I had a question I'd have to raise my hand

and he would teach me the game of football and it was so because he's like hey I'm not going to have you yapping over here the whole time so I will teach you the game but you know what Jason you'll appreciate this And Travis, when you have kids as well, he would make everything a game, right?

So he's like, all right, we're going to play school. So you're going to raise your hand and I'm the teacher and I'll teach you and those kinds of things. He also had long hair. And so it was like if he wanted to be lazy and watch us, he's like, okay, I'm the patient. I broke my leg. I can't get off the couch. So fix my broken leg or so every game he played revolves sitting on the couch and it was still playing with us. Brilliant.

He's like, he had long hair. And he's like, look, I need my haircut. You got to fix my hair. Again, hasn't moved from the couch. But anyways, I need to get some of these games. Yeah. I'm thinking this. You're playing games all wrong, Jason.

Everything should revolve around you, sitting your ass on the couch. He'll be a great dad. But yeah, he loved sports. So I love sports. And I had a brother who played baseball growing up. I played sports growing up. And for me, you know, sports was so much a part of who I was growing up. And so I was a big believer that anything I could do professionally that kept me in sports

was the ideal situation. work as a team, we win together, we lose together, all of that. And I just love the idea of being able to have a profession that involved, involved, involved, and, you know, worked around it. So that's sort of my motivation. And then, you know, the path to actually getting on air is a little circuitous. But, yeah, I started in HR because I just wanted to get in the building, went through everyone's files, ended up blackmailing them.

No, I'm so smart. I was like, oh, this is great. I have this on you. Let me do, yeah. Who have you been hanging out with? I got in the building through HR and just ended up in production and then, you know, different things from there. But no, I just have always loved sports. So that's sort of my quick 20-second background.

It was awesome. I love it. Mine's my dad. He's from New England, big, big, you know, Celtics, Red Sox. He grew up liking the Packers because he always said the Patriots were so bad that they were blacked out in Massachusetts. That's how bad they were. Oh, no. So I grew up just, my dad's a great storyteller.

He was on television forever. And he just explained it to me very much like, not like Chris's dad. I wasn't, you know, taking care of him. No, I'm joking. But he would just make these people sound like my friends. And unfortunately, unfortunately, I grew up thinking that they were. I was obsessed with the Celtics. I wanted the Red Sox to win a World Series so bad for my father.

I loved sitting back and watching Brett Fav, you know, do his thing with my dad. And then when I, there was never another option. Well, actually, it was like, I want to be a sports broadcaster or I'm going to be a marine biologist, which, whoa. Wow. Wildly different. Sure. Sure. So, yeah, let's be honest.

We all know how smart I am. I don't think that would have worked out. But I, I love it so much. I went to the University of Florida. I told my dad because, you know, if you have a good football team, college football team, the ESPNs, the CBS is they'll be there. I just wanted really fun Saturdays. and then because I grew up thinking these guys were my friend. I've friends.

I've had multiple encounters with Larry Bird. I met him and I told him everything about my life in one minute and absolutely like vomited my life story about how he is my everything called my dad right away. And I said, holy shit, dad, I just met Larry Legend. I think I embarrassed myself. I talked about all this stuff. And he goes, oh, my God, can you go back and say I'm sorry? I'm like, no, dad.

Kevin McHale in an airport one time ran up to him. It was like 11 o'clock. He's going somewhere. I'm going somewhere, coming home from a game, telling him he was my first crush ever. Hi, I'm Aaron Andrews. I work on college game day, but you're my first crush ever.

And I just want to tell you, thank you for you. Like, shut up, shut up. Shut up. One cool ass story, though. Like, you think about, like, giving it, you know, paying it forward and, you know, with your parents and everything. I worked for ESPN. No, actually, Fox.

I got to cover the World Series. And my dad was, I took my dad to Fenway. It was actually right after, you know, the, the marathon and everything and how dramatic that was. But I brought my dad onto the field after they won. And then Fox said, we're going to go live, go inside the clubhouse, grab big poppy or whatever. Poppy actually came out in a tank top goggles, champagne spray all of us. Of course she did. Papa!

Wow. My dad inserted swinging. him around like a racked off and my dad was just like this is fucking awesome it was just so cool those stories are the best you know we both have our motivation and inspiration to be in sports broadcasting was our dads and i think to be able to have those moments with them like you had that the world series i got to bring my dad to the 2019 master's front row amen corner top of the leaderboard starts falling off tigers inching his way up and i'm like well we might be able to see this and then we go to 16 or second row at 16 he birdies 16 and I like sat there and I was like holy shit I'm going to be

able to experience tiger win winning the masters with my dad and like our parents don't ask for anything like all they ever want is for us to be happy and healthy and like do what we love and sort of like have access or those moments where we can share them with our parents like that's like the greatest gift in the world yeah that's awesome given the fam that those kind of memories those kind of moments it's it's you can't put a price tag on it my daughters don't like watching sports with me yet how do i start to convince them to like watching sports is it the haircut i got to start playing with the games is that the correct key yeah doctor barbershop yeah school just centered so they don't they're not interested in in football i think they're so they're so young

why i think she would do it now she usually wants to watch some disney movie or like another thing yet. But hopefully, I'm hopeful that it's going to start to happen. You're coming up. I got to start coming up with a game, I think. I think that that's the way.

I got to figure out some way that we're doing something and playing while the game's happening because the attention span is not there. These kids are stay. They can't sit down and watch. No. They just want the screen to be changing continually.

Stimuli. Yeah. Crack. I think that's also what was so special about, you know, Aaron and I have talked about it, like with women and young viewerships. Like Taylor's impact cannot be overlooked. Like those little girls that maybe didn't have an interesting football and then sit down because it's her like that, the commercials and the different like little videos that you see

that now all of a sudden the dads have a bond with their daughter over her, like is so special. Again, as two women who have made a career out of this because of their dads to have those moments like who knows what kind of impact that we'll have later on in their lives in a myriad of different ways but it's really special to see that was just it for me was just having that time with my dad because my dad worked the weekends he was you know at on tv at night so i didn't get to see him so that was like our special time to do that so maybe you carve that out as your special time with their kids i don't know i like that free time i mean listen i'd rather watch football than some of the other things are doing uh i think also you just mentioned taylor and how much

she's gotten girls into the sport and dads and daughters together, which that's one of the coolest things I get when people talk about Taylor and Travis and hearing from dads or hearing from daughters about that. It's an awesome thing. But also, like, how much do you guys think about how many women you've been impacted that watch sports? Like Kylie was a communications major. She raved about both of you guys and how much she's loved, like, the platform that

you've put women on in sports. Like, do you guys often think about that? and how many women look to you guys as, like, role models for being involved in sports? Thank you for saying that. Thank you, Kylie. That's high praise from you. But there was a young lady, her name's Alexandra. She works as a Patriots reporter she has for the last five years. She's been in the industry for 10 years. And as I was walking out on Thursday night, she handed me a handwritten note and wrote the nicest thing about Aaron and I, and I don't ever like to think like, oh, inspiration, whatever. But it was so well said that, you know, she watched

Aaron and I do this over the last few years and kind of were, you know, behind the scenes, I guess, a motivation for her to do it as well. And now she's doing it. And she's doing it on a big stage. And that's, and again, Aaron and I have been in this industry for 20 years. So when I have moments like that or even get anyone recognizing that maybe we might have, you know, I don't know, dare I say, inspired them. Like that's really special. And I don't ever, ever, ever take that for granted. Because I'll be honest. And I told your wife this on, on her podcast, there was some women that were not so nice to me coming through as I was surprising to me, you know, ascending.

I'll just say, I mean, women can be catty and like men can be catty too. It's not just limited to the female gender, but it, you know, jealousy or, you know, these are few and far between. These are very coveted positions. And so look, there's a competitiveness that unfortunately turns into caddiness. And I always made it a point because I will never forget those people. people, the individuals that were not so nice. And I was like, if there's anyone, I understand that this seat is is a special privilege to sit in, but there will be a time and a place where I have

to pass that on. You guys know in the industry and the positions that you play and the sport that you play, there comes a time where there's going to be the next younger, faster, bigger, stronger person. And so it's like, yeah, you don't want to give up the seat, but it, but at least help that person along the way. So I'm grateful of the women that were nice to me, but the ones that I will always remember the ones that were not so nice. Yeah. I think for the longest time I, well, even now, I just, I was Tom Rinaldi the other day. We were talking, he said to me, you're not a tourist with how much you love the sport.

You, I live and breathe it. Not like you guys. I mean, believe me, I get that. That's a different kind of lifestyle and dedication. But I'm obsessed with it because it's the only thing I love talking about besides my family. I look up to you guys so much. I look up to your families, what you've been through. And a lot of that is because of who I ended up marrying and watching his journey

and knowing what it takes behind the scenes, especially when you're not a superstar or anything like that. But you love the game so much. I love football. And there's nothing more I want to do than be out there. And so I feel like when people come up to me, especially dads and they say, I want my little girl to do this. I want her to be like you.

That's, I think, what's breaking me down a lot more than it used to, especially now that I have Mac. because I want my kids to be you. I do. I want them to attack life like both of you did and or do. And so I think that's the thing that's like hitting me harder than ever, you know. And also I'll echo that about Kylie as well. When she had me on the podcast and she just mentioned that, Kylie's no bullshit.

Like she knows what's real and what's not. And when she just said, hey, you know, you've done this and I've looked, that hit me. Like I got, you know, tears in my eyes because she knows. knows the people that care and love it and respect the players and the coaches and the organizations like Chris and I do. So that means a lot to me when you're kind of stopped and like Chris, I got that note the other day. Those are nice reminders. Absolutely. I bet. That's the best. Do you guys remember your first broadcast? You've done so many. Welcome to broadcasting moment. Were you proud of it? Did you, did you black out? Did you remember exactly what you said? I remember my first, like my first ESPN one.

Like, I worked with the Tampa Bay Lightning. That was my first real gig out of college. I was the sideline reporter. I mean, Jared loves to watch those, like, you know, if they're showing this Stanley Cup, and he's like, look a green machine. I, like, thought it was so great. The Tampa Bay Lightning were playing the Calgary Flames in the Stanley Cup final. I worked for ABC.

I got to do it. It's game seven back in Tampa, like the team I got my first job with. And you know what? My mom and dad and I, we went to the West Shore Mall and we went to Ann Taylor. and I picked out a green top that I thought would be fire for game seven. Let's go.

So Jarrett loves when they start playing that. He's like, look at the green machine there. With the ground, lip liner and all that. Oh my gosh. My first ESPN game, they threw me after I got,

you know, I did that for ESPN. They threw me on Saturday night football, which was, you know, such a huge deal. And I think it was Virginia Tech USC. And it was, knotty it was somewhere it wasn't even at their stadium it was such a big night for those two teams

and um i remember we had a jib cam jason you know the one because i think you guys use it they had a jib cam and i was gripping that microphone so hard but i also was standing with my legs like this like i was bracing myself like a cheerleader like the old and my producer after i nailed my hit goes hey great job so next time we do this close your legs I needed a good base. I needed a good base. CT, what about you? When I worked in HR, then I moved into production, and I was like, I want to, you know,

be in sports broadcasting. They're like, cool, good luck with that. Go work in production. And so I took whatever job was available in the production, because it was all the, remember all the RSNs, like the Fox Sports Rocky Mound or Fox Sports Pittsburgh? Oh, yes. So I moved to Denver and I became a production assistant. And I just worked behind the scenes.

did anything I could to learn the trade and all that kind of stuff. And so then they were like, well, we're going to send you out to like local bars and, you know, kind of interview fans and all that kind of stuff. So like those, that was my first on-air experience was in a bar. And I was like, well, this is weird. So natural in this environment. I did my element. Yeah.

These are my people in here. So then that got parlayed into they let the girl go that was on air at their Rockies reporter, the Colorado Rockies. And so they were like, we'll give you a shot. If you're okay, then we'll give you another shot. And then they kept giving me shots. And so that turned into a two-year contract, which was awesome. Anyways, so that was my first on-air experience, but my first welcome to TV moment, TV in a cold environment moment, was I'm working for the Big Ten Network.

It is a golden gopher's game. We are outside. You know the one. You know the one. I got the microphone. All right. Coach says da-da-da-da-da. And the play cock, I mean, play.

Oh, no. My mouth is frozen. Oh, yeah. I can't correct myself. So finally, I just go, Tom. You guys got it from here. And that's the worst, Jason. I don't know if you feel this way on air.

It's like once you stumble, it's like, and then you try to correct it. It's almost like lying, the cover up, the just the container is like, I don't know, my mouth was frozen. It was just a wrap. Oh, that's funny. Do you think it's easier to get into sports broadcasting now or versus when you guys first started? What do you think of the current landscape? I think the one thing that's cool is there's a lot of avenues. Like these teams have their own like digital, social production studios that are nicer than what I was ever, you know,

introduced to before I got to Fox or ESPN. So I think there's a lot more opportunities in terms of how you get into the industry. But I will say this. Leslie Visser gave me this piece of advice, you know, and I don't know. if you're just talking about being a female in the industry. But, you know, I say this to young girls. I kind of copy her, but being a female helps you get your foot in the door. But in order for you to stay, you have to work your tail off.

And I think that's because of being a female, right? And that's the chip I have on my shoulder. But yeah, I do think there's a lot more opportunities. What do you think, C.T? Yeah. I mean, in the digital age that we live in, I mean, there's so many different platforms. I mean, you could start your own channel. You could start, you know, whether it's a podcast.

Whether it's YouTube channel, any of these things, there's so many, like, whereas for us, I mean, 20 years ago, it was, you know, the CBS, the ABC, the, you know, Fox. I mean, there was only a couple. And like, as I mentioned, those regional channels as well or like your local news. I remember my, you know, when I was working my way through production, somebody said to me a news director and he was like, you send a resume real. And, you know, for me, it was like on this, I took it from a beta and a DVC program and I put it on a CD. And he's like, there's going to be different news directors that are going to put this, this, this, tape in for all of five seconds. So if you don't capture their attention in the first five seconds, it's a wrap. You're going to be thrown in this pile with a bunch of other tapes people that want to do this. And so when I was younger and I knew I wanted to do it, I took a paper

towel, roll in a tennis ball and I taped it together and I made a microphone and I took my parents, you know, old camcorder thing and I set it up on my life and I begged my brother to be Jay Booneer. I was like, can you please be Jay Boehner so I can interview you and I made this like whole thing and he got like a free bat you know like when you go to the mariner's game's like oh it's batting you know helmet night or like you know whatever so he puts you're older than me and he's like like oh this is so stupid carissa like so stupid and i was like please i'll do whatever you want to just please can you please just do this so he's like fine cute so he stands there and i interview it yeah i mean i was like you can't be ken griffy i mean unfortunately

that video would have been that video would have been Epic. I ended up using that on my resume real. That's on your real. That was on your real. Yeah. Because I was like, how am I going to get these news directors attention in the first five seconds?

And so it was like a 10 year old, you know, little girl interviewing, you know, brother. So anyways, those were the things that we had to do. Nowadays,

with social media, you don't have to, you know, capture someone's attention. You just have to get followers and you have to do all of that stuff where it's like there's a following. There's a whole different avenue that you can approach it from, which is great.

I mean, the more the merrier. That's what I say. I mean, here's my thing about that, too, and welcoming in everybody. There's room at the table for everybody. And if there isn't, then get another table and build a group over there. So, yeah, I think it's awesome that if anybody wants to do this job, there's opportunities. But again, you know, as you work your way up, there's those coveted ones that are few and far between. C-T, do you remember like any of your features or packages that were on your resume real? I can only think of one that I know. And I remember I was editing it. And I was trying to do Phil,

Collins in the air. Do you remember, like, one of yours? Oh, yeah. Not as dramatic as a Phil Collins in the air. This was you had to do the recording and the editing. And this wasn't just like, yeah, that's crazy. And mine was awful. Jason, could you imagine if we had to edit at this show? Edit, carry the tripod. You had to set up the shot. You had to do, yeah, voiceovers. You had to do all of that. But I think that's a good to be able to learn all facets of it. But let's go back to you guys editing this show. Okay. Yeah. They would never get out by Wednesday. I don't even know what application they're using. I can't find the print button on this fucking computer. I would have no chance. I don't know how to work any of this stuff. If you told me to print something

on the printer right here, I would, Kyle! Do you guys have a favorite sport that you like covering? Ooh, that's a good one. Doing it. The NFL. NFL for sure. Yeah, I was a part of college forever, even, you know, doing college game day. And it was great.

And I loved it so much. And I'm grateful of it really just formed me. It taught me a lot. I mean, it did. And I made great relationships with the guys that I worked with. But I knew, and this was a big thing. When I left ESPN to go to Fox, it was a, I was like, am I doing the right thing? Should I not?

I mean, I called, I talked to coach. K. I talked to Chip Kelly. I talked to a lot of people that I worked with. And I was like, is this the right thing to do. It's the best sport to cover. It is awesome. And it's because of you guys. It is. It's just how are you. NFL players are the best, NFL players are the best to cover, you think? Hockey's pretty fun too. Hockey's at time. The athletes that play in the NHL are by far the wildest. They are like the hidden personality of them. Oh, yeah. Their party, their fun time. Yeah.

They will say more outlandish things. I feel like NFL guys are more buttoned up and kind of toe the line mostly. Whereas I feel like NHL guys, you'll get like some great sound bites out of these dudes. There's a little bit of that protect the shield from the NFL where we're hockey, because I covered hockey for a couple years when it was versus. It became part of NBC's package. But I love playoff hockey. There is nothing back and better.

I got to say like, yes, of course, playoff. You know, the NFL, that's my number one. but right below that is playoff hockey i'll never forget the montreal canadians were an eight seed they knocked off the capitals then they knocked up to the penguins then they took the flyers i think it was to four and just going and working a game at the bell center in montreal and like that is yeah it was an awesome experience and i don't need to tell erin because she's been to more hockey games than she can ever remember jaret winning two stanley cups and like that whole experience but like hockey is incredible i love college college my first ever

college football game I worked was Michigan App State. That big up. You know the one you guys. We're the awesome. That's a fun one. Yeah. And I remember I was standing there and I was like, I mean, I'm obviously like, understand the game. And I'm like, this is, this is a D3 school. This is, you know, this big upset. And so, um, I remember my,

I even remember my opening stand up. You could rob a bank in Boone today because no one is watching. Everyone's watching this game. And then it ended up being a big upset. We got in the car afterwards, and Tom Brennaman and Charles Davis were at the play-by-play and analysts. And they go, well, how does that rank of all the games you've worked? And I was like, well, this was my first one.

It's all downhill from here. And this is very odd. There were three banks robbed in. Exactly. Boone, North Carolina had a lot of bank robberies that day. But no, it was college football is cool. to jump around at Camp Randall. I mean, Aaron got to work SEC.

I'm so jealous. I never got to work in SEC football game. Yeah. I want to go back to these SEC places. Yeah. I've never even been. One of them, I've only played in one. Neither has Jared.

He's never gotten to see any of it. I'm like, dude, you have no idea. It's like Toronto Maple leaves on, you know, it's the next level. So seriously, what's the, I know you went to Florida. What's the best environment, in all honesty, on game day? because I've heard one, like, routinely, and I want to know if it matches up. When I was, you know, working college game day, Sabin, Alabama, it was the end all be all. I was like, I'm getting my kid.

I'm going, I'm giving him to Saban. It's going to be like Simba, the circle of life. He's going to make my kid go to the national championship and get him in the league. So Alabama is fire. LSU at night. That is what everyone says. Death Valley. Everyone unanimously.

It's the next level. it's rocking it's shaken those people have been in the parking lot over the weekend they are marinated perfectly it is shrimp a too fay you know how much shrimp a too fay i have working at that's fire old miss is fun for you know a three o'clock game but lsu is is amazing it's really great people just park in the middle of the street and they just take their car their keys with them like what is happening jesse palmer who i also worked Thursday night football with he used to talk about when he played for Florida. I don't know. It was a big matchup. It was like one versus whatever. Florida rolls into Death Valley. And he said, you know, they're on the bus with Coach

Spurrier and people are just shaking the gator's bus. And he said there's gators hanging from the trees. And Coach Spurrier was like, hold on, y'all. Hold on. Those stories. So much fun. Yeah. College football, it was fun to cover. But I like going to, I like going to Arrowhead. With the NIL and conference realignment, it feels different. It's still awesome game that the sport is still great. It just felt different when, you know, like the PAC 10 was the PAC 10 and the, you know, I don't know. There just is like a different vibe to it.

But that's, you know. Yeah, it's definitely in a weird state right now with the conferences and the NAL stuff. And teams are now it has 20 teams. I don't even know. I couldn't even name all the teams. I know. It's different. Kids are like playing for like three different schools.

Like it's nuts. It's driving Bethleys and, yeah. But the plus ones, you, Jared, Steve, you guys have to go to LSU together when everybody is like done with their, you know, playing that would think you guys would crush it. Fuck, yes. C.T. I was going to ask you, when you covered an HL and we both did, was there ever a time because the injuries with those guys are so different from, I mean, hockey players will come and do an interview with half their face hanging off.

I did it. I did a game. Jeremy Roneck that shows how old I am. half his face was off. Like he had gotten it all stitched up. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, he had to wear that chin guard for a while. I remember this. And I looked at him and I go, oh my God. And then I just blanked out on my question.

You're making you talk? Yeah, I go, does that hurt? And he was like, yes, really. Because it was like half his face was hanging off. But did you ever do one where you're like, holy shit? No, I didn't have that experience. But when you said Jeremy Ronig, I remember I worked in Olympics with him in Vancouver. Nobody, nobody, I repeat, and I could out drink Jeremy Roanick.

I've heard this as well. He is a fucking maniac in the best way possible. I, oh my God. I want to play golf with Roanick. I've heard he is just a blast on the course. They all are. They are so much fun. Speaking of good people, which was a really, really fun story. We had a chance to and Casey hang out with Wayne and Janet and you guys all together. And it was, I guess I wasn't really paying attention to my husband in the moment. Like, he has, you know, hung out with Wayne a little bit, but not anything to like that personal of that night. And my husband was glowing.

I mean, it was like, and I was, oh my God. And it was so cool, Chris, I don't know what you think. But like the boys that we were with just asking Wayne all the questions, like seeing somebody like Greg Olson, just, Wayne, let me ask you something. So this three tight end formation, no, I'm kidding. You know what? Greg, those guys, it was just so so cool. And what's so great about Wayne and I think the NHL is just a normal dude. And sat there and Teresa, what a great job she does and Greg and just really, really just awesome to be around.

I mean, it's Wayne Gretzky. I mean, full stop, Wayne Gretzky. I mean, you're just down. But that just reminds me of the text chain that we're on. And Greg Olson does not care if we tell this story ever. Okay. Wayne, I don't know who's on the text. There's a couple of us, including Greg, Aaron and I, myself.

Dean, Kevin. Okay, Kevin. And after that night, it was a couple of days later, like last week, I guess Wayne had texted Greg. He got his phone number. And he just wrote, hey, this is 99. Okay? There's only one 99. There's only, right away.

It's not JJ one. He actually said, hey, I just want to tell you. It was great hanging out with you and I just was watching you and you do a really good job. And he also gave a little bit of a hint. He said, Janet and I really enjoyed getting to know you. So Greg sends a picture of the text to all of us on this chain. And Greg's response is, I'm sorry, who is this? He wrote, who is this?

What? Oh, my God. He's had to be joking. No way. He wasn't. I mean, he had a few ones that one. I think we all had a few ones that night. That was a good one.

My guy came in from Dallas. He was working a game in Dallas. and came in just to get some food over at 1587, had no idea he was going to run into the great one. That's amazing. Remember that? That was the back and forth. That was the Giants Dallas game.

It went back and forth a hundred different times. And he was like, oh, I'm not missing it. He is such an animal, Greg. What a time. That's awesome. Wayne is, I had two posters on my wall as a kid. I had Wayne Gretzky and Mark McGuire from when he broke the record for the home Wow. Very odd. I was not fans

to either of the team. Sounds like a 90s kid right there. That's right. That's right. Bring steroids back, baby. Hey, I had a Brian Dodgworth poster. Yeah. Oh, the boss. You got to do. Just take steroids and you get up on the wall, kids. Aaron, you just touched on the, like, hockey players.

There is like this just being like regular guys. I feel like there's a beautiful culture with hockey. We're like, if you even start to get a big head, your teammates will really you apart like ruthlessly oh immediately and that's something I've always you down one and then like with the with the cut they they like brag about their teeth being missing they'll take their teeth out at the bar and set it down on like a can and it's like it's a badge of honor at being marred for life for those guys and I I mean I can see this because I married one there's some of the best looking dudes you've ever seen like they are

gorgeous but yeah like all are they take their teeth down you're like ooh well on the kings and And our friends is we walk around with gold prongs hanging down in the front because they're like, what's the point? It's just going to get, you know, bashed in during the season. I'll wait to the end of the year to get the veneers put in. But fun fact, we have incredible, incredible health insurance with the NHL. We still have it. Do you want to know what we don't have good insurance on? Dental?

Yes. Oh, no way. Of course. They lobbied for it. The players are like, no, we're not agreeing to dental for life. No, no. I'd love to ask you guys about some of your current co-workers. What former player has gone into the broadcasting world that has surprised you guys the most?

Former player that's going to, you know, I had a really, I'll just start while Aaron thinks. I had a really unique situation with Amazon because everybody except for Tony had just come from playing. Oh, yeah. Sherm just finished playing, Witt just finished playing, and Fitts finished playing. So they had never done TV before. I remember we were in our first production in the rundown.

Yeah. It said banter in the rundown. And they all look at me and they go, what does that mean? And I go, oh, Jesus. I was like, out of the class. You don't know what banter is?

Come on. Pretty self-explanatory, guys. Let's just start talking. Just shoot the shit, boys. But it was, I have been. so impressed with how I mean they have been unbelievable they have uh you know we're now in our fourth year and you never know that these guys had never done television before uh we started Amazon so that was that was that was an awesome um you know it speaks to you know do your

do your homework and it shows and also the personality and also you know Amazon allows you very much like Fox says it's why we love working for these companies it's like be you they don't try to make you someone you're not so if fits wants to rip a shirt off or wear a Hawaiian shirt he can do that if whit wants to have his hoodie on under his jacket he can do that anyways it's just i was very impressed with all with those guys ability to jump in so quickly after jason as you know um you know you're done playing because it looks easier than it actually is on tv everyone's like oh anyone can do it and you're like okay then come try it it's not as easy as it looks so yeah and i think we saw that with tom brady i mean i think he was the most scrutinized person to get into a booth

especially last year, right? And I'm proud of him. I really thought, you know, like you said, you get in, you think you can do it. And it's like, and I'm not saying that about Tom, but everyone has their opinion. And they let it be known what they thought of him. And it was funny. We were, I think we were doing Tampa. Maybe it was Eagles.

Tampa Eagles week four. And I was sitting in my hotel room and they were playing last year's Eagles, fucks game. And I texted TB and I just said, wow, listening to you in this game, which was your fourth game of the season versus now it's just night and day and that's a testament and i i'm not surprised because i think all of us know what his work ethic you know was going to be heading into the job i think i'm more annoyed about how good he's gotten and how quickly i'm like come on do you do everything well this is crazy and you look fantastic he looks so good i don't i need to figure

out what he's doing his hair his skin he's not going to bars jason is he's not going to bars jason is He doesn't go to bars? He doesn't go to bars. I'm not willing to get that up. We're never going to make sure. I don't know if he's embracing the grays, Jason. I think you embrace the grays. You guys know this.

You've been around enough of us and you've been around enough guys in the locker room. You can tell when you sit down with players that you're like, you'd be really good at this, by the way. I mean, Jason, we were telling you that nonstop when we would deal with you in Philadelphia and travel were in your era about it as well. I mean, you can just tell the guys that'll be able to shine. Jason's been killing it. One of my favorite segments Jason's ever done is his piece on the veteran he did last week.

Yeah. Yeah. Keep it together. That was awesome. You were the best. That was just a little bit of a brother bragging. It was very sweet. Thank you to our sponsor, KFC.

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but I think these are fun questions to ask. And I'll start it off with, who is the hardest coach that you have ever had an sideline interview with? Lloyd Carr, I'll just start right here. They were losing, and that Michigan App State game,

he blew me off. He didn't stop. He was like, peace out. At half time? Yeah, and remember, this was my first ever game.

So I was like, oh, shit. Like, I, right. And then I'm like, the me now, I would have ran his ass down and tackled him. And been like, no, we're going to answer this question. You got an obligation. Lloyd Carr. Lloyd Carr was my, was my, yeah, I mean, that stands out. For sure.

I would say Coach Belichick, I just, and not because he was ever disrespectful, but you knew what you would get, you would get, even if they were up by 30. And I love a challenge. And I remember just asking Jared, even texting him during the game, I'm like, shit, I'm in my head about this. Like, I want coach this to go well. And Jared would always say, it's not about you. This has nothing to do with you. This is how it is.

Like, this is, you know, his demeanor on the field. Because off the field, I would say to coach, hey, how do I get you to like me? And he's like, what are you talking about? I like you. But that was just how he handled things. So I took it as a mission. Coach Sabin early in his career when I was doing college, I was very like, because he was very direct but then you know similar yeah yeah but uh yeah i cracked him a bit so what about what about

the opposite favorite coachian like who's like somebody really like i get to talk to him and he's just gonna kill it this is gonna be great yeah happy or sad or pissed off kyle shanahan is freaking green at half time because he will tell you everything and he doesn't candy coat it chris and i have talked about it a lot and he'll also do it with a full blown sprint so it's like your bra better be supportive you better have like great shoes. Like, I'm, like, ducking in and out of you guys. Sorry. Sorry, sorry, Jason.

You know, like, you don't, and because he's going. And you better have two ready to go because that's all you're going to get. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, we just talked about it. I was so grateful that Mike Rable came up to set. I never ever take for granted. You guys have just played a game.

And, you know, the, you got, you want to go take a shower. You got, you know, for him, he's got the postgame podium stuff and all this kind of stuff. So coming up and doing an interview from him, Sean Payton's always been great. We worked that one year together at Fox, but although my man, I got to work with him. He, he, you ask him a question, and it's 40 minutes later, and he has not answered the question. And I'm like, Sean, the game's over. What is happening? We're going to work on him being more succinct.

But we love Sean, Mike Frable. Yeah, I don't know. Mike Tomlin's another OG that she's going to always like. The lines he delivers are so, he was great. Just this past week, he's a classic. Yeah. We've had an idea on the show for a boyfriend whistle. What do you think of this idea?

Like almost like a whistle. You're the coach like, take the trash out. Like, what are you doing? I don't know. The idea is that men are coachable. So if you need chores done around the house, you get a whistle to get their attention to snap into line and do it. Or if you just mention it to them while they're doing something else,

it won't register. So the idea was to get a boyfriend whistle. Whenever they need to coach up their husband. Oh my God. I'm not mad at it. I'm ordering a whistle right now off Amazon. Steve, you're going to have a long night ahead of his sweetheart.

This thing is going to be here in 10 minutes. Get going. Oh, no, Jimmy. I mean, Steve is very coachable. I will say he always just tells me to write down what I want him to do. He's like, I will do whatever you want to do. do, you just have to write it down because if you just tell me while I'm doing other things,

I'm going to forget and then you're going to say to me, you weren't listening to me because I wasn't listening to you because I was doing other things. So if I just write it down, but I'm now all in on the, and we'll even play a little blow the whistle in the background. Hey! See, I don't need that for chores in my house because mine is on me about staying, keeping it tight. So yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Big time. But yeah, other things. I'm down for it. Let us know when we can pick that up. All right. We got to get a new heights whistle on the market.

All right. When traveling with friends, what makes a good travel plus one? Keeping track of the passport. I don't want to be responsible for it. I am, I feel way more responsible than me. So when I, since we all travel a lot for work, every single person on here, when I travel recreationally, I am at that airport. bar or that airport lounge and I am ready to get in the mix. So I don't want to be responsible for having

to get to the gate on time. I don't want to deal with the passport. Like I'm already on my vacation the second I get in that Uber to go to the airport. So like please just be responsible for me while we're at the airport. And that makes a good travel partner. But I think Steve and Jared are the same with this, Chris, with our vacations we've gone on. Like they deal with, I know Jared deals with the reservations. He deals with the cars that are picking us up. Like he's very, very big into the schedule and hey guys we're going to do this and sometimes a little too much like hey babe clerk griswold relax we don't need to have the whole trip planned out maybe one day we sleep in i don't know he's he's he's really good with that and i think i when he's not around i kind of panic like wait

i have to i have to plug in my gloves myself and heat them myself and bring our stuff down to the lockers what are you talking about here we have to tell so this past off season we erin and i and steve and jared did a Griswold European vacation. So we were almost 10 days or two weeks. We were in Europe together. And the boys, the guys planned it all. They did everything. So Aaron and I had a talking with one another before this trip started.

Like we are not allowed to fucking complain about a goddamn thing. Because this planned. Yes. So. There we go. But the one night we did complain was when Jared asked a teammate, former teammate, who was European. of where to go to dinner one night.

Oh, no. We were in Monaco, and there was these guys. There were these guys that were there on a bike. They were on a cycling trip with a bunch of dudes. Prostitutes that showed up. Yeah, there they were. There they were. And so as we're asking these guys about their cycling trip,

they're like, oh, yeah, I'm like, so do you bring your own bike? And they're like, no. And I'm like, mm, definitely a cover up on the old cycling trip. oh my god i don't even know where you go jason it's on you as a girl dad of four at some point i will have four teenage girls living under one roof is there any advice that you guys have what is just i would so i don't remember this vividly where i saved up my babysitting money and janko janes were like really and then and so i came down the stairs in these danko jeans and my dad looked at me and goes what the fuck are you wearing and i go

i'm not in this house or not and i was devastated that he wasn't going to let me dress like the skater that i wanted to dress like and whatever but he always had the thing like it's my house my rules and he was like you are not that's not we're not doing that and so i would say along those same lines where it's like you know my dad also said had this expression it's not my job to be your friend it's my job to be your parent and then when you turn 18 you get to decide if you want to be friends with me. So it's like as hard as it is, I'm sure, because girls will like, you know, butter you up and all this stuff. It's like you just stay. And I know you and Kylie are very aligned on this. I've heard you say like, we don't want to raise brats. And you

won't because. And I loved that, Jason. Yeah, I do because it's like it's your, I mean, to send these children out into the world and be good human beings, it starts at home. And that is a thankless job. I don't have kids. I won't pretend. But I just know like for me that growing up in a household with discipline but a lot of love like I knew what the rules were I knew that my parents you know like had the best intentions and like kids want boundaries they want to know like what the rules are so I would say like just even if they're girls and you feel like you got to like be a little bit lenient because they're don't it it will help them later on to not just always like give them the out because they're you know little girls okay see it's crazy I'm running into this at

my house I I didn't grow up with boys I mean I it was my sister and, you know, I, but I know Jared and obviously had structure throughout his whole life. He moved away from home when he was 14 to go play junior hockey. Jared is easier on Mac than I am. And Mac's only two. But like prime example, you know, he's kind of acting up yesterday. And I said, Jared, now's your time. And he just like, it blows my mind because I am very much like, and I loved when you talked

about Disney World and your daughter and you just said, I don't want to raise breath. because yesterday, I decided, hey, let's, no, you have half of it. I love that because that's how I feel. And so it is a real balance here. But now I'm today, I felt like before he left for the rink, I was like, wow, our parenting skills, like we need to get on the same, you know, level here. But so when does that happen, Jason? I'm curious about that.

We're on the same page almost all the time. I would say very routinely, we're both. pretty disciplinarian when it comes to the girls. I've seen you. You're amazing. Yeah. But you have good time. I will say the girls, the only girl I grew up with is Travis.

So this is new territory to a certain for me. How did I catch his story in this? How did I catch this? When I first found out I was having a why, and I was like, okay, I'm not going to raise her any different than how I would raise a boy. Like, I'm going to make her tough and like disciplined. And I'm not going to be like this like, daddy's daughter who's getting everything she wants and then like the moment she came out it was like

very hard to not be that dad like it becomes very obvious exactly what you're talking about chrisa where it's like it is very difficult when they look at me a certain way to not cave like instantaneously and especially those eyes on your girls my gosh and i will say Kylie is better at resisting that than i am 100 so i'm i could still though listen like like the waffle story if they if there's where it's out cave for like a treat or like something innocuous. But if it's like either being selfish or mean or lying or like any of like the big top of like we're not going to put up with this, I'll for sure like put my foot down. And I think in our house with the two girls and I feel bad now for my mom with this.

My dad was always like, you know, he because we knew, you know, dad wasn't at home during the day. It was always mom. And so we acted differently for dad. And I feel bad that I did that to my mom now. So obviously our relationships are, you know, I'm so sorry, mom, because now Mack does that to me. But yeah, no, I feel like you'll always be a different role with daddy. So yeah, that's interesting when you have to figure out to be the disciplinarian. I was just thinking about, and I know we all grew up in the same era where it was like, you know,

we didn't have cell phones and our parents weren't like calling. When they would leave during summer vacation, they would leave that note, the proverbial note on the counter that was like, these were the chores for the day. And if you didn't get that shit done by the time we're home, you're in trouble. And it's like, I miss those days where it's like those with, you know, again, you understood what the rules were. And I'll never forget. The garage door opened.

And I was like, shit. And my dad was home and I was like, we're all running around, you know, do all the chores. But it was like, it was the rules were pretty clear cut. It's like, yeah, a simpler time, guys. That would be crazy. I mean, even in the next 10 years, what our kids will be doing. with I know like AI all that stuff it's kind of hard to even like comprehend I'm trying to push off the phones yeah I was just thinking even when I went to college phones weren't a big thing it was like

you were real rich if you had a phone in college and I used to drive I mean that's not even that far but two and a half hours to go from Tampa to Gainesville and my parents were good with I didn't have a phone now you don't want your kid like you know going down the street without a phone it's wild how things have changed our dad used to give us a calling card did you ever have those for pay phones of course so whenever we went out to play baseball at the field if we ever needed a ride or anything like that we would go to the park we would pull out the card the dad gave us just so we called from the pay phone it started off though I was I was calling him collect just before he gave us the card I would walk home from school in like elementary school middle school and I'd

called my dad collect on a 1-800 number and he would be like stop calling me and get your ass home. I'm not paying for all of these calls. Stop asking me. You come straight home. And then he started thinking about it. He's like, I mean, it kind of is convenient to have a little calling card so that they can reach me if they need me. Can you still call people collect? I don't know. I don't even know pay phones. Where's the last time I saw a pay phone? I don't know. Would Star 69 still work? Oh yeah. We did that too when you wanted to prank people or find out who was calling. Star 6.7. So they couldn't star 69 you?

We were talking to some pros here. Did you guys ever have girls like prank call you? Like any pranks stories? Well, I know, but I mean like one that's like because we would prank call like all the cute boys in school and that's like they knew we were doing it. But prank calling. I don't remember ever getting prank called. I just remember listening in on all the Jason's calls just being the shitty little brother. What's the best jerk you got?

Nothing. It was never anything exciting. It was just me feeling like I was like. I was like being a spy. My sister was five years older than me, and she was dating the high school quarterback. And I remember I was, I played with Barbies until I was way too old.

Like somebody in my dad should have stepped in. I think they're a little too old for this. It's getting weird in the Barbie convertible in the dream house. And I was like in, you know, ninth grade. He's like, that's enough. But I remember, like, I think I was in, I'm not kidding, seventh grade. And the high school quarterback walked in my house and I was mortified.

I like threw the Barbie. And I was like, hi Brad I'm like I'm like these are the neighbors Barbies not mine oh my

I think the last one is we're giving you guys the floor since we have acclaimed journalists on the pod we want to give you guys the chance to maybe ask Jason a question

or Travis say that okay so I always think about in an interview you know Aaron and I love doing sit down interviews for a lot of different reasons. Get to, you know, learn more about you guys, just have that like one-on-one because sometimes in games and post-kate, it's just a different vibe when you actually

get a sit-down interview. But I always want to ask this question. Is there a question that you wish somebody would have asked you and they never did? Go, Carissa. God, damn it. And it could be about anything. It's like, you know, because sometimes when those interviews are over and you're like, we, this is to get in our brains, we're like, oh, God, did we ask the right questions? Did we do enough. Did we ask you meant? Like, you know, did we whatever? And then I always think like maybe there was a question they wanted me to ask and I didn't. I love that. I feel like I've never, I've never had that come across my mind. But I've, I've always been appreciative of when I get asked about my family. Yeah. I think that shining light on my mom, my dad, Jason, our supporting cast around Cleveland

Heights. I feel like I've always been like those are the questions I want to answer. more than anything else about football, because that's what's at the core of it all. Yeah, I think similar to what Travis saying, a lot of the times you're answering questions about yourself, and it feels a little bit weird when you're kind of doing that. I guess you... Yeah.

Like, we had a great interview like that, Aaron, when we did the whole line in Philadelphia. That is one of my favorite interviews. It was so good. Because it was with the guys. It was like it was a group. So I fell in love with all of you that day. That was so special.

I think, yeah, maybe the best answer is kind of what Travis said, either the family or like about a teammate or something like that. Those are always the ones that I really enjoy the most as like an interviewer or interviewee. I'm going to bring some humor to it. When I started in this industry, I had a lot of athletes tell me about people that interviewed them that had really bad breath. and that always stayed in my mind. I am a psycho when it comes to breath and interviews. So much so that in my pants, any of my pants that I am wearing during a game, there are two Listerine like containers and even the spray.

And if I don't have them, I am like begging the trainers for something. I am begging the guys, the camera guys, anything in my nose, teeth. And then I have a story. I interviewed Ryan Howard one time. and I took in the Listerine thing, they were stuck together. So I think there was like four of them in and I took it. And my breath was so fresh. It hit him in the eyes.

And I said to him, oh, my God, are you crying? And he goes, no, but your breath is so fresh. It just caught me in the ice. I think we've all had that experience of bad breath. And it is, it's difficult to carry on a conversation. There's definitely some guys I could throw under the bus. I won't do it. But yeah.

I think of a post. opposing players when you guys are talking so close. That's my one thing. I'm like, oh, God, their breath must be tough. But yeah, you don't think about it during the game, huh?

Have you noticed it ever on the field? I've more noticed my own teammates. You're sitting next to somebody in meetings. And then all of a sudden it's like, God damn. And he's having a day today. Like it's nothing worse than somebody ripping ass in the huddle, though. You know, it happens like three or four times.

Like, listen, man, you got to get this under control. This is ridiculous. Sitting right next to you. This is the, like, though sometimes, not all, because Aaron and I are very honest with each other, but the difference

between men and women is two guys walk into a party with the same shirt on. And they come up to each other and like, look fucking great, man. Look at that shirt. What a great shirt. You look awesome. You women walk into a party with the same dress and they're on opposite ends going, that bitch looks terrible in this dress. God damn. I'm sorry. Just making this dress look so bad. It's so different. It's like men would be like, bro, your breath is awful. So here's a man. And women would just, like, skirt around it and be like, anyone want to admit? No, you're talking to Sarah over here. Sarah needs a little awful box.

D.A. Carissa, you guys are the fucking best. My face hurts so bad from laughing. Thank you for coming on. This was so much fun. I can't tell you. We laughed more here than we've laughed in a long time. Exactly.

You guys are the best. Seriously. And congrats on the success. Like, I mean, we, we, you know, us, you know, as Aaron and I having come from this world from a long time ago sitting with you guys in that random Warehouse in Cleveland, like, we just were your biggest fan. So love you guys. You're the best. Bye, you guys. Thank you.

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