New Heights with Jason and Travis Kelce - Fixing the No Fun League, Best Teams for Lamar & Rebuilding with Howie Roseman | New Heights | EP 33

Episode Date: March 30, 2023

92%ers we are back with episode thirty-three of New Heights presented by our friends at Fireball.  In this episode, we’re breaking down all the news coming out of the Annual Owner’s Meeting. Including, Jason’s thoughts on the “Tush Push” surviving another season (10:15), why we secretly enjoy kickers getting lit up (14:45), and the number 0 getting added to jerseys (26:10).  In sports, we also have an electric debate on the best digit, yes singular digit (31:25), a chaotic breakdown of the annual coaches' photo (32:54), and Travis’ attempt to name every NFL head coach (37:15).  We also speculate about which teams would be the best fit for Lamar Jackson (44:40) and another edition of the “Players As…” segment where you’ll find out why Josh Allen is a Natty Light *(50:00).  This episode also includes Jason’s incredible conversation with Eagles GM Howie Roseman (59:45). We touch on everything from why he doesn’t believe in rebuilds (01:01:40), his relationship with the city of Philadelphia (01:20:15), Jason’s scouting report (01:29:17), how he became an NFL GM (01:41:00), and his welcome to the NFL moment with TO (01:46:00).  As always, watch and listen to new episodes of New Heights with Jason and Travis Kelce every Wednesday & check us out on Instagram, Twitter, and Tik Tok for all the best moments from the show.  Merch: https://homage.com/newheights  Support the Show:   Fireball: Enjoy the #1 shot in the country responsibly and visit https://www.fireballwhisky.com to find out where you can purchase those little cinnamon delights  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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social media platforms at new heights show with one S So you know exactly when we are coming out with new episodes Jason why don't you tell everybody what we got coming up? Travel got a great episode. We're gonna get into the NFL not banning the quarterback push Some big fraydens you move of course the Lamar Jackson situation. We're gonna weigh in on that of course And we're also going to Of course, the Lamar Jackson situation. We're going to weigh in on that. Of course. And we're also going to, of course, launch the Harry Roseman interview. Ooh, how we, who I think we both would say was a much better

interview than I think we anticipated. Not that we had a low bar of expectation, how we, you just succeeded it. I mean, a really thoughtful interview brings up a lot of great points, very open discussion. I think all Eagles fans are going to like getting to know how he rose, man, just a little bit better. I'm with you.

It was definitely eye opening. I didn't expect him to have that much, uh, as much juice. He's, he's all about how is it? Juicy guy. Juicy. I mean, I call him gusher sometimes. Alrighty, but first as always. New news coming at you. We're back. Number one sports podcast in the world on Spotify and Apple. We touched it just for a second. So we're counting it.

Thanks to you, the 92% of all of our supporters out there for tuning in each and every week. And each and every episode. You guys have made this show a success and we can't thank you enough for letting Travis and I talk to you and share our wisdom, our stupidity and other shenanigans with you each and every week. Dumb and Dumber over here, man. You guys are the best for listening to us. Thank you for tuning in.

Last week we announced our first ever live show is coming to you guys April 26 in Kansas City, Missouri. We're really doing this man. The Kansas City music hall. Yeah tickets are sold out. This is intense. Yeah, we sold out within three minutes of the tickets going live. So it's crazy. Yeah, I mean, I didn't know if there was going to be anybody that even bought tickets to go to this. I mean, I didn't know if there was gonna be anybody that even bought tickets to go to this. We've never done a live show. We certainly don't know how it's gonna go. We are honestly truly excited to do a live show and get that experience.

I think I know for sure that Travis certainly plays better to a crowd every time he's in front of the microphone with a live audience in the past. He is up to his game. So I'm looking forward to seeing what he brings. Liz, we all know Jason Kelsey's known for his speeches. So it's going to be an entertaining day. And if you're still hoping for a chance to come

and see sexy Batman over there and the big Yeti live in Kansas City, please keep listening or watching the show every single week. We might just have a couple pairs of tickets to hand out. That's right. We're going to try and do some fun giveaways in the upcoming episode. So make sure you stay tuned and keep watching. And hopefully we can get some tickets. We wish everybody could come. You know what I mean? That's just no way.

One of the things I think Travis and I are most looking forward to about this live show is just interacting with the fans. You know what I'm obviously seeing. I want to see the 92%ers with my eyes. I want to feel the energy. I want to feel the 92% juice. The juice maybe. The gushers. All righty.

Let's move to some fan mentions of the week. Let's get it. First posted by sj e 2289 zero on the new heights subreddit showing off His first new high toady on top of a mountain in Hawaii How about that the mark the that's KK I don't know heck

I'm just gonna say that the kick observatory. I know exactly where it's at. Good job, guys. It looks great. Can't leave out the best part about the tweet. Nature's thermostats at full mass because apparently it's cold. On the top of the mountain. In thermostats, man.

Yeah, but very cool. Never did I think a new high-tuity would be on top of a mountain And yeah, but I hope you guys had a great view up there, too I've heard it's absolutely gorgeous You know what man Well, we also have a child trying to make print media. That's right. We have a child making something like a newspaper ish thing The new news paper. Travel, what do you think of this? I mean, it's, you know, have we ever had a pizza versus pineapple debate? Pizza versus pineapple? Well, I mean,

in the newspaper, there's a full section does pizza, does pineapple belong on pizza? To which the obvious answer is yes. Of course. Yeah, I mean anything belongs on pizza. It's yeah. Anybody who's gatekeeping pizza toppings is, you know, has a special place in hell for people that are banned in pizza toppings. Let me tell you. Yeah. You know what's always like got me a little uncomfortable though is hamburger pizza.

That makes me uncomfortable. Listen, there's pizza that I don't like. People like to put mustard hamburger pizza. I'm comfortable. Listen, there's pizza that I don't like. People like to put mustard on pizza. And that just, I don't see how it correlates. I don't see how it correlates, man. There is pizza that I don't like. There are toppings that I don't like. But the whole beauty of pizza

is that you put stuff on top of it. So there is no, there should be no limitations to what goes on top of pizza. Anybody putting limitations on top of pizza is limiting pizza. And I'm a, I am not a fan of limiting pizza. Big pizza guy. Also, I don't know that this is a kid because there's a weird science reference in this lower right hand corner.

And I don't know any children today's a, they would have any clue about the show weird science, right? Like that was, it was a movie. Yeah, so I think this might be a man Mass creating science. Yeah to get song. It's a lot Wait, no, that's Frankenstein. They did it in the song in the weird sign song to Don't they get reference. I think you might got me on that one. It's been a while since I've heard it All right, we also got some responses to the NFL players as segment. We got an anime fan art.

Dude, this is absolutely hysterical. I was just talking to you. How good it is. You have any tattoos, Jason? I don't have any tattoos. I thought about getting a tattoo from my wedding ring, but I have not as of right now, zero tattoos. Zero tattoos.

What about you? No, mom told me she was too just don't get tattoos because you're going to be 60 years old and you're going to look back and be like, why did I get this? There's all those 60 year olds that are really in the back of my head. I'm like, I don't even know what I would get. I'm so indecisive. Like, what do I get?

My number 87, like what do I get? My number, 87, like, what do I, what? We talked a little bit. We thought about getting like the family crest. We thought about doing like, brotherly tattoos. What is a family? What does a Kelsey family crest even look like? Let's send it to the 92%ers. What does a Kelsey, what does a new heights Kelsey crest look like?

Well mom's side of the family has a family crest. Dad's side does not, I don't think. I don't. All right. The crest is like, it's almost like a shield type thing. No, I know exactly what a crest is. I've never seen mom. So it's crazy.

You knew that. Yep, Blaleux. Blaleux have a crest. Kelsey's no crest. Yeah. Well, we don't even know how to really pronounce it so. Yeah, they're poor Irishmen. Poor Irish.

Who knows? But yeah, great artwork. Love the snorlax. Get back to the anime. That is a pretty sweet. It's pretty good. The style of that is very Pokemon ask. I mean, just very well done.

Everyone on Twitter complained about how I pronounced gyrodose, which guys, I don't know if you know this, but gyrodose is not an actual word. We should probably not take it that serious. but gyrodosis is not an actual word. We should probably not take it that serious. I mean, it's got a GY, I think. Unless we're going like Greek urodose.

Urodose? Urodose. Apparently it's pronounced gyrodose, which I've never seen a GY go gear, but you know, whatever. And I guess we also own apology to Laramie Tunzel. Yeah, this is that one's on us. Good call out by Corey Willoughby, 83.49 on YouTube.

Commented in response to us calling Laramie Tunzel coughing, said, yeah, the man notoriously did not cough. It's impressive. Yeah, I mean, I think that's... I don't know, I don't even say that. I don't know, but it's a very fair call out. And Larry, we would like to formally apologize for making that air. Before we keep going, we need to shout out one of our partners.

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snakes. 92% percenters the 92% play is still going to be in effect next year. I get it. It's like, uh, yeah, what do you think? As someone who doesn't do it, but you saw it happen. Doesn't do it. We tried. We tried to do this. I think it was since a night. I think it was the AFC championship game. We tried to go for it on third and short and did you guys try to do the push? Yeah. I lined up as fullback and you push. I think no, I don't know it great. Did the tight end motion into like a into the under the center? Yep. And um false start? No, no idea. I tried to push and there was no there wasn't going anywhere. Really? I felt like the most helpless human being ever. I couldn't help out at all. I'm like,

it's just I'm trying, man, but there's this there's no movement right here. We are pushing a freaking brick wall, man. Yeah, this actually brings up part of the reason why I think it wasn't banned. You know, I was down at the combine, which at the combine, all these owners, the rule committees, their meeting down there. And the word coming out of the combine was that it was pretty split. There are a lot of teams that didn't think it should be banned. There are a lot of teams that don't think it's as easy as just being played up in the media to do. But we're going to find out because I think every team is going to be trying to do this this year.

I think a lot of teams with the success that we had doing it last year are going to try and implement this in short yardage. So we'll see if it is as easy as everyone thinks. And this will probably come up again. I don't think this is going anywhere. See if that 92% holds. Yeah, we'll find out. I actually don't think it's, you know, I really wasn't too worried about it. We used to do quarterback stinks before you were allowed to push or before we started pushing. And they're pretty darn effective. I don't know that this is something that I just think it's a hard play to defend regardless. So either way, I'm certainly happy that we're able to run it again because it was a huge play for us. And I think it'll be effective again. We'll see. Yeah. No, they worked on the super one.

One rule that they did not also that they also didn't put on the Dock it. Unfortunately, they're not listening to new heights. Travis your idea of allowing one hockey style fight a game. It's in is not being considered. Nope, it's not being considered. It's not being considered. So unfortunately, you know, we're going to have to yell it from the mountaintop. Just leave blows man. This league blows, dude. They just know fun league. No fun. Can't fight. You can push, but you can't fight. Yeah, pushing allowed punching. No, kicking.

Well, certain situations you could go ball. Can't kick a person. Can't kick a person. You cannot kick a person. Antonio Brown found that out. God, that is such a good clip. Dude, he flying, flying front kick. He luke-candum, man.

Yeah. Dude, that is such a good reference. I forgot all about that highlight. That is a great highlight. If we can put one highlight on the show, I want it to be the Antonio Brown flying jump kick. I mean, his legendary, man. Dude, it's great. Antonio Brown flying jump kick. I mean, his legendary man. Dude, it's great. You should be allowed to do that too.

No way. Absolutely. Why not? If you get stiff arm, why can't you stiff kick? Cleats, it's a difference. It's a weapon, man. Everybody's wearing molds today. Those cleats ain't doing no damage. Don't damage. What? Why can you stiff arm, but you can't stiff cleat? Listen, I don't, I don't damage. What? Why can you stiff arm but you can't stiff cleat? Listen, I don't I don't have an answer for you. They literally made a penalty up on the spot. They're like, uh, unnecessary roughness. I've never seen that done, but it doesn't look like it should be legal. Some tells me you can't do that. Uh, let me talk it over with some other zebras here and see if we can... Tell me if I'm the jerk. I am in favor.

What do you feel like when punners get run over or anything happens? No, go not diving into this man. I just want to know what you feel like. Punners are kickers. Whenever they get truck staked or Blocked what is the first thing? It's so joyous there's like just Such an exuberant Tommy Harrison. I love you guys. I'm sorry. Yes. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, you guys. Yes. Yes. You got, for just a second, you got what it's like every play.

That's what you got, all right? It's so good. Do you remember the Pro Bowl? Which one? Sean Taylor, there was like a fake punt. Yes. Oh my gosh. That was, that was great.

That Pro Bowl was the Pro Bowl, man. I, listen, I don't want guys to get hurt, but I am all, there's a clip of my phone, and I love John Dornboss. Wong Snapper. I mean, there's a clip of my phone of a Nourlean St. D line, and just picking him up, and you just see his feet kicking.

It's the closest thing is if they allowed just anybody to go out on the field and suit up for a snap. Like is like is he's sitting in a chair that's too far. He's Fred Flintstone. He's Fred Flintstone in the middle of the air. It's not good. John D man. I mean, just complete. I mean, vicious maneuver by the deal. I mean, he wasn't trying to block the kick at all. He was just like, I'm just. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Thank you. Alrighty. Let's get to the rule changes that are being considered. I don't know why I feel like it's the closest thing to like pros versus Joe's. You remember that show? I think it's just the fact that you can't touch these guys.

All they do all day is play video games and play golf on Wednesdays after practice. They are in the country club of country clubs playing in the NFL. And just like one second, I want them to feel what it's like actually like being a football player. And I love it. I'm not gonna lie. I love those guys. I really do. But I am obviously very jealous of your physical, uh, uh, protections. So when those protections come off, man, it's so joyous. It's electric. It's an electric event. It is. Alright, here we go. Let's get to the, the, the rules that are being considered, the actual rules that the owners are thinking about. First rule, moving punt touchbacks from the 20-yard line up to the 25-yard line.

I'm in favor of this. I think you would be, first of all, I'm in favor, like we just touched on specialists, but I'm in favor of anything that motivates a team for going for it more and forth down or demotivates them from punting and trying to pin me inside the five yard line. I want them to stay as far away from putting me in a back to the situation as possible. So I like this rule. I don't know if it's going to change anything, but I don't have a care in the world for this fucking rule. I like starting with the to 25 you're honest puts to the 20 so I'm in okay providing that on a free kick Also known as a kickoff or a safety kick That is fair caught behind the recovering teams 25 yard line the ball will be placed at the receiving teams 25 yard line so in other words anybody receiving a kick after a score or a safety can

Freakatch it fair catch it inside the 25 yard line and They'll get the ball at the 25 not where the catch occurs. What? I don't like this rule. I don't like that rule at all. This is that's whack. Yeah, there's bad rule Hopefully that does not pass not a fan of it. Who the fuck even brought what's the I don't get why that anybody would want that rule? The reason these rules are being considered is because they're trying to de-centivize people returning kicks Special teams are the highest rate of injury in the NFL They're trying to make the game safer and the easiest way to do that is to

Reduce the amount of kick returns and part returns So that's why all of these rules are being considered. They want more fair catches. They want more touchbacks. They want less returns, which sucks because taking excitement out of the game and I don't like it. I hope I hope the God that doesn't pass, man. Devon Hester. I mean all these guys that made careers. Josh Kriz. I mean it was such an exciting play to watch. And when you get an electric returner back there, like I remember when Ty Rieck was his first couple of years when he was returning every punt, the stadium chanted his name every time the, every time the other teams pun team went out, they said Ty R Ty Rie, Ty Rie, Ty Rie, Ty Rie.

And it's like, and you can just see him just kind of like staring down the punch, just walking kind of pace and back and forth. Oh my gosh. It was the, it was like a action-packed movie. It was a lecture. I enjoyed every single, I enjoyed every single pun return that he had. Even even if he just caught it a fair catch, like the the drama and the excitement leading up to that was electric. I think that only works when you have a guy like Tyra Kill.

And then you're like, but that's what I'm saying. If you got a if you got a dude back there, it's like, this is one of the most exciting plays of the game every single time the pun team comes out there. I agree. It's like, why are we trying to why are we trying to take that away from the game? Again, we're trying to make it safer. I don't know that I agree with it. But it is what it is safe safety first kids. Here we're expanding the definition of a launch, taking the action with one or both feet. So obviously you're not allowed to launch into a ball carrier receiver. You're not allowed to leave your feet to make a tackle.

a ball carrier receiver. You're not allowed to leave your feet to make a tackle. Um, this is so, apparently you weren't allowed to do it off of two feet, but you could do it off a one. I don't really know what this means. All I know is that you can't launch. And I feel like bring back launching. So you're, you're just automatic. You're just in favor of making the game as unsafe as it used unsafe. Yeah. That's the excitement of football. What? We're not playing. Yeah. I think that that's not gonna happen soccer You know what I mean like let's sure let's let the game be the game. Yeah, I mean I'm I'm all for that I'm all four guys, you know risking their livelihood. You know, I mean I'm with it I signed the dotted line knowing that I was at risk. Okay. I'm with it, dude. I'm

not in this thing to, you know, think about safety. I didn't buckle up before I went over the middle to catch the ball. You know what I mean? Like that? I didn't buckle my seatbelt before I. I mean, listen, I get what you're saying. It was seatbelts kids, but the football you just at the end of the game. No, you know, you have the best equipment you can, but at the end of the day, like, that's the fun of the game. Is, you know, I mean, you're out there. Listen, I can't disagree with you.

The game was a lot was very fun to watch when that was part of the game, but that being said, they are trying to make it safe. They're trying to limit concussions, they're trying to make it so that guys don't leave the game and have debilitating side effects. So I think what they're trying to do is good. Is it a little bit less exciting? Probably. But I think that it's still a pretty exciting game. And it's a and it's probably in the best that we don't allow people to take a running start, jump into the air and lead with their head and knock people unconscious. I think that's probably good thing they don't let that happen. It's one of the most exciting things.

It was. Don't get me wrong. Brian Dawkins, you kidding me? It was amazing. It made me turn on my TV on every Sunday. I don't disagree. I don't disagree. All right, the next rule chains are talking about making is they're going to consider making the tripping penalty a personal foul.

Yeah, I don't agree with this. Yeah, I don't agree with it because like when I think of a personal foul, a personal foul is something aggressive. Tripping isn't really an aggressive move. aggressive. Tripping isn't really an aggressive move. It's not I mean, tripping is a weeny move. To weeny. Weeny. Yeah. It's not a personal file to weeny foul. So if anything, we should be incorporating weeny fouls. So weeny files are 20 yards. I do think they should be worse than person. I think they should be worse. I think we

need to have a whole other category of weeny fouls. What would be another weeny foul? Pulling somebody down by the hair. What's another weeny foul? Kicking somebody in the balls. I don't know that team. Anything using your feet, the slide tackles. Unless it's a flying jump

kick. Ooh, that's not a weeny. That's an aggression. That's an electric play. Yeah. Shouldn't it be a personal file. That should be a personal celebration. Oh my God. Did you just see the physical feet? That guy performed right there. I think you just killed that punter. It gave his chest in. It's audio brown, baby. All right, here we go, making the penalty for illegal, for illegally handing the ball forward consistent with other illegal acts, such as illegally forward. Where did anybody, where did this rule even come up in the past five years? Nobody I've never seen anyone try and hand the ball forward.

I mean, well, clearly it happens behind the line of scrimmage, but it's allowed to happen behind the line of scrimmage. You can hand the ball forward. I mean, well clearly it happens behind the line of scrimmage But it's allowed to have them behind the line of scrimmage you can hand the ball forward in front of you, right? Or can you not do that even behind this line of scrimmage? Yeah, one hundred percent everybody runs jet sweeps out of fucking gun Yeah, right? Or you can pop it. Yeah, I mean, I don't think it's illegal to hand the ball off in any direction if you're hand in the ball You're hand in the ball. That's my opinion like I don't think you should be able to hand the ball off in any direction. If you're hand in the ball, you're hand in the ball. That's my opinion. Like, I don't think you should be able to throw the ball forward. That's a pass.

But a hand off, like, if you, if you don't, if the ball doesn't leave your hand and you physically give it to somebody else, I think that's fair game. I don't really understand whether, I don't care whether you hand it forward, backer. I don't have an argument for that. You got the decision, Larry.

So guys are out here doing the 400 relay. They're passing that thing. Listen, however, you need to hand it off. If you're hit, if you have possession, and you hand it to somebody, I don't think that's any different than like if you fumbled the ball and they picked it up, like I just handed to them. They're passing that thing like a baton. I think it's a stupid rule. Yeah, I mean, you can't throw it forward. So if they replayed it and they found off that they found that it left your hand. I just want to know where this even came up. You know what I mean? Like like half of these half of these rules are I didn't see it. A lot of these

rules come up because there's a lot of people that have a lot of downtime in the offseason. And they see one play from the last 20 years and they decide that they're going to make their mark on the NFL by writing a rule. And we're going to go over them like they're going to make huge impacts in the game which they won't. All right, the next rule that's not going to make a difference is clarifying improper use of helmet by removing the term but ram spear language from article eight and incorporating those terms into impermissible use of helmet rules. All of that is meaningless. It's all meaningless. All it is is trying to. I don't even know how you comprehend it. We just read what you haven't read article eight Travis

No, I don't know you haven't read article eight of the of the No, how do you play football without reading article eight? I mean this is just this is stupid. This is just removing certain terms that are violent Incorporating into nonviolent terms. Let's just move on. All right. I don't even own owners approved any player to wear number zero except of course offensive and defense alignment. We always get the raw end of the deal. What? Also, punters in place kickers can now wear numbers zero through

49 and 90 through 99, which I'm all for a punter wearing zero because it's kind of like a target for that flying jump kick we just talked about. It's hit that big zero. It's a bullseye. Bullseye! You can't keep attacking the specialist man. Can't keep doing it. All right, Calvin really has also become the first player in NFL history to wear the number zero. He tweeted it out, it's official. Wow.

Agent zero, man. Yeah, I mean, listen, I'm not, I think zero's a cool number, but what's even cooler than zero is double zero. The big gemado. I think that they need, if they're going to allow zero, they should allow double zero for offensive alignment. That's all I'm saying. Oh, all right. I see what you did there. And I just think big man doubles zero is a cooler number than

zero. Oh no, man. There's something about that zero, man. I think double zero is cooler. Um, double zero is too much. Big owls. Just looking at it. You sold me on that for whatever reason. I mean, man, it's got a reason. All right, come in. What made you choose 62? What made you choose 62? Yeah.

Travis, I didn't choose 62. They just gave me 62. What the fuck? That's serious. You got drafted. They asked you what number you wanted. No, they did not. They handed me a jersey that I wore for the first time in the training camp.

I did not choose anything. I haven't chosen my number at any level of football. And this dates back to Roxbro Middle School. 48. 48, baby. I was 48. You've been rocking buns numbers for years. 48 is not a buns number bunch number all your numbers are

48's a very divisible number what's wrong with 48 your best number was 13 we wore 13 and hockey It was like Friday the 13th 13 was my favorite number. I did choose that number in hockey Outside of that I never chose I wore 48 I wore 60 in college and I wore 62 in the pros obviously Where I guess yeah, there was I feel like the reason I wore 62 in the pros, obviously, where, I guess. Yeah, there was, I feel like the reason I never have picked the numbers, because I remember when they gave me the number 48 in middle school or high school. I don't know if I wore 40 in middle school,

but in high school, in the game before. I can see the Roxbo Rockets jersey at 48. I can see. But whenever they gave me that jersey, the coach said the player makes a number, not the other way around. I was like, see. But whenever they gave me that jersey, the coach said the player makes a number, not the other way around. I was like, yeah. Really, what was happening was, all the kids are asking for the same numbers. And there's only so many jerseys. And the coach just got tired of making some elaborate reason why some kid couldn't have a number. So he said,

nobody's picking. And I've been like that ever since. And I feel pretty good because now there's a whole bunch of 62 jerseys in the Stands this is true Not a lot of it. Hey, it's everywhere in the link baby player makes the jersey kids Don't forget it. What was a bunch number is now one of the most below legendary Bonds numbers still a bonds number though. I mean, it's not that much more bonds than 87. Let's be honest. What? 87?

87's fucking. That's a number right there. That's a bonds. That's a... What? Nothing ever happened in 1962 or everything happened in 1987. What about 1887? What about 1887? Seven. What happened? We signed the Declaration of Independence in 1887. 1776.

Damn! July 4th. That was 17 hot-natured, huh? 17 hundreds. That's crazy. Come on, you don't know the nation's birthday Travis? No, July 4th. Really July 3rd.

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Because what do you think? The okay, where do digits rank? What's the best digit highly sought digit? I would say seven I'd agree I think it's seven then one then three. I wore number one in high school. I know. You were a number one guy. Number one guy. Number one guy is a certain types of guys. If you know what I mean.

No offense. No offense. No offense. No offense. No offense. Hey, man. Do I want to look sweet and affiliate jersey? I know that.

Yeah. So go seven then one then three then five. You're going three then five. I like three. I've always been a big fan of three. Yeah. All right. I'll give it to you. I feel like six is the that's the one digit that's just like four, six and eight

are definitely the three the worst. They're in the bottom three four, six and eight. I would go. I give it and eight. I would go. I give it to you. I would say six is it's a pretty bad. It's a tough sell. It's a bad deal. The tough sell. You get handed six. You're like eight. Eight's not bad. The Ocho. It's pretty good. Ocho. It just sounds sounds better than. Yeah. Well, if we spoke Spanish, I think it might be the coolest number. Ocho is freaking definitely the best Spanish number. Now right now. Uno, dos, trays, I don't know who knows what.

Watch who. I'll love it. Cinco's good too. Cinco's a good one too. Cinco and Ocho are the two best. Seattle, the trash number in Spanish. Ha. Ha.

Ha. Ha. Ha. I don't even know which number that is. The big seven. Um, 18 is way better than any number it's the big seven. 18 is way better than any number you've ever rocked. It's not better than 13. You got me there, all right.

All right, back out of baby. Moving on to the other item coming out of the owner's meeting, that absolutely splashed and took over the internet was the annual coaches photo. That's right, They always set up and take a team photo, man. And there were a few guys missing this year. I'm not sure if everybody always goes to this, but there's about three or four coaches that didn't make it. This picture is hilarious. I can't tell you what I'm even looking at. I mean, first of all, can we just agree that team photos are terrible?

So, worst thing is, the moment they say, hey, we're doing the team photo today, there is an audible groan. Everyone, you're going to put on your game pants socks and your jersey, and we're going to all take a photo. And it's never going to get seen. And I have to stand there into the sun and they just do like, hey, close your eyes for it. Kind of three open them and say cheese.

And I just, I'm always like, dude, I'm not smiling. I'm not doing anything. You're saying, take the picture. Let me get off of these freaking bleachers or steps. Whatever we're on. And it seems like I can't imagine the NFL head coaches feel too much different about it. Oh, no, some of these coaches look, they look like they're in it.

The first thing that stands out to me is just how many coaches I can't like pick out out of a crowd. I'm a man. Laying. I mean, I feel terrible about it too. If you ask me a team, I can name the head coach. I can point at which team is which, but I, when it comes to names, though, I'm the worst. Oh, I'm the opposite. If you ask me the head coach of a team, I can name the head coach. I can point at which team is which, but when it comes to name cell, I'm the worst.

Oh, I'm the opposite. If you ask me the head coach of a team, I can name them. If you pointed to some of these guys, I would have no clue who some of them are. I'm not gonna lie. I mean, too. My man next to Mike Tomlin, looks like he just got out of a coffin.

I don't, when's the last time that he's seen the sun? This is the first time he's seen sun all year. And then, Dave all looks like he took all the sun from him and just put it right on the top of his head. Boy, Dave all been in, you've been in Cabo. Just some of the uptight poses. My dog, my dog Andy reads trying to get skinny man.

They got to space these chairs. They don't look like they want to touch each other. They very much are trying to keep the separation, the lake separation very I mean you can tell that they're putting a lot of conscious effort and keeping that separated Why do they all have the same exact swag like the exact same swag like they all well They're all coaches the only person who looks different really in their swag is Sean McVay Who for some reason?

He I mean he looks just like every bad coach and every evil coach and ever any Disney movie ever created. That's what Sean McVeigh looks like in this photo. Like he looks like Gordon Bombay when he turned bad. He got a little bit too big for his bridges or coach and team you had say or the, or the all those endorsements, man, or the coach from I bought in Bombay. I want to lose to never be able to unsee that. Who else we got? Dude, what is going on with Mike McCarthy over there? I think it's just, I think it's just because he's at the end. Looks like he's wearing Josh McDaniels. Sportsco. He's got like a Jack Nicholas sitting in court side

at a Lakers game swag right now. That sports goad is, that thing's hanging off for dear life. It stretches the scene. And that shoulder stitching is really hanging on. He looks like Tommy boy He's coaching in a van down by the river As Andy Reed is that a Hawaiian shirt. I can't tell. Andy's always in a Hawaiian shirt. Oh, he's always going to the floral, the floral plant print, man.

Yeah, big floral guy. Bill. God bill. I mean, he looks the most comfortable out of everyone sitting. I feel like. Yep. There's only two guys wearing shorts, man. Sean Payton, P. Cockin just got the chest out. Dude, he just hit some chests earlier that morning. Some flies, hands, knees, hands on the knees, chest out. This is why we can't do shit live, Jason. Mm. Mm. Dude, that might be the segment we show players this picture

and they have to name each coach in this picture. What do you think is you over under that player is going to be able to name half of them? Half? You go. Let's give it. Let's give it a Travis Kelsey try right now. I can I can I'm the worst with names But I can tell you team. Okay. All right starting on the left Chargers standing up. Yep. Sitting down Standing up standing up chargers giants. Yep. San Fran

The fuck is that guy? I don't know, I don't know, the next two. Steelers. Is that Steelers Tampa? Is that Tampa? Yeah, Detroit. No chance you're getting this one. Zero percent chance.

No, no chance. Jets. Jets. After Jets. Nothing. I don't even, I've never seen that man in my fucking life. So good. I mean, three in a row.

I have no idea. Those two, sorry, everybody between the Jets and Jets. Those are all of the coordinators. I have no I was too sorry everybody between the jet or I'm the coordinator Shane Stuykin for the colds. Come on, Travis. Who's who's next to Dougie P? Who the folks know that one? You should definitely know that one. Miko. Who's the other one? You

should know him because he's arguably your biggest rival. Oh, that is. Yeah, that's since he that's not his, he's arguably your biggest rival. Oh, that is. Yeah, that's sincey. That's not his, he's a dog. His name is that's, uh, that's coach. Oh my God. This is so good.

I told you I was terrible with names. I don't even know your bad. It's exactly the worst. Zah Taylor. I knew it's a tea I'm sorry coach Taylor. Oh, we do it the bottom. Do you want to keep doing this? This is fun? You're going back to the left you starting on the right start right and going back left Fully Oh Again never seen this fucking guy in my life

Oh my god is so good. I love what's happening right now Um Miami god damn it There's no way man. There's no way that guy coaches in the unaffirmative and then p carol harball Yeah, I was see you know the next like the Rivera Cubis P cock Cubis Um, P cock. Cubi. Core backplay Broncos country. Let's ride Gordon Bombay. We got the Packers and then just no clue.

Then bills. I'm not going to lie. I don't know how much better I could do. All right. Let's move on to some some free agency moves going on throughout the league. I know the chiefs have been making some moves and we lost a good guy, man. Lost one of the good guys. What did you guys lose?

Me Cole Hardman. My brother went over to the New York Jets. Me Cole DeJet Hardman is now playing for the Jets. He is who he plays for. One of the fastest guys in the league. My dog, a McCull man. It hurts to lose the good guys, man. I miss him already. We can the Legion of zoom is no more. It is no more, man. I'm the only I'm the only zoom left. I'm the only one part of the zoom, Travis.

part of the zoom, Travis. I'm well, you went to the I was a part of it because I was on the field with them, Jason. That's fair. That's fair. Well, you guys also resign, detacco, feel Hoskins, detacco, direct naughty and Byron, coer, naughty, naughty, love, naughty, man. Oh, and you, you resigned, tight and big bell. So you guys can the dozer, like bell, baby baby the bell dozer bringing it back man

Tight end sneaks ready to go. Oh, yeah, we got it. We got all the tight ends back in the room, man I love it. If you talk to me cold. Does he know anything about the air and Roger situation with the jet? I don't know man. I have to see it. I'd ask him about the I didn't ask him about that. I'm gonna have to ask Good thing. I didn't ask him about that. I'm gonna have to ask you. That's the JG. Which made you have to go to the Jets because Aaron Rogers is going to the Jets? Isn't he already there? He just hasn't. Who knows? I don't know. I don't know. Who knows. Who knows Aaron Rogers?

I don't even know who coaches the Jets. Um, I don't get it. I know he is. He just don't know his name Moving on to the Eagles the Eagles signed Steelers safety Terrell Edmunds the Edmunds brothers another another brother Doo. Yeah, I think it's a trio actually. I think there's three Edmunds brothers shut out to the brothers in the league the good brothers As I like to call says he fell in love with the culture of the of the dog mentality when he came for a movie. Yeah, you already know. I can rock. He said, don't you say? Adrian. Yeah, in quotes, I'm ready to come here and just give everything I got. You're joining the best team in the NFC. So yeah, give it all you got through.

Like hearing that. Resigned Lane Johnson to a one year deal. I'm sorry, that said to a one year extension. One year extension. I was like holy shit. I just getting that much money in one year, including $30 million guaranteed. $30 million guaranteed.

Worth every frickin penny, worth every penny. He's the best right tackle in the league Arguably the best tackle all around in the league, you know He also said he wanted to retire an eagle lane and I have played for over a decade together. So Certainly happy that he's being compensated For the player that he is and excited to go out there and play another year with him. I'm with you Mike I'm with you. It'll be good to have that guy back in the building. Yeah, baby. Biggest Eagles free HSC news, though,

is that everyone's trying to recruit Zikiel Elliott. Zik, trying to get him to come from the dark side. You guys are recruiting X cowboys. That's crazy. That's tampering. You cannot tamper. Right, yeah. Well, we're tampering all over social media Lane Johnson tweeted the eyes emoji big place

Like that has could mean anything. What is that? It's like that's about as clear-cut is all right now You think so yeah, that I would send it. What if you send it to a girl all right now Even meek milk meek mill tweeted at Zeke me Come to the Eagles doll great team and organization good businessmen to help further your future look at meek out here tampering he's getting on the dark I see you dog I'm for all the really good players coming to the Eagles for sure and Zeeck's a really good player I am not partaking in the recruiting, but I guess I will now. Zeke, come to the Eagles.

With excitement. Well, that's, uh, that's all we got for free agency though. Um, or we do have one more. We got one more obviously, obviously we got the Lamar Jackson incident that's going on, uh, tweeted Monday at the same time John Harbler was talking to the media. He tweeted as of March 2nd I requested a trade from the Ravens organization for which the Ravens have not been interested in meeting my value Any and everyone that has met or been around me know I love the game of football and my dream is a help a team win the Super Bowl So this has reached defcon 5 over there. And this is arguably the most I am just I'm baffled. I don't understand. I'm so confused on how they haven't been able to get on the same terms.

Yeah, I mean, it's hard to know. You get the MVP, the league former MVP. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Like it's a generational talent. You know, so it's a little concerning that they can't figure something out. I don't know what each side is asking for. Obviously there's things that get leaked out, but you never know what to trust in these situations. It's yeah. The team's going to leak out their side. The player and his agent are going to leak out their side. So, you know, it's hard to really know exactly what tomorrow even have an agent. That's the thing. I know. Yeah. Such an interesting. I can't Francis. It's got the home workout. I can't Francis who is running

a home workout fitness thing. And side hustling is thear Jackson's multi-million dollar agent from there's no way that is there's no way there's no way this is real man I don't know this is such a bizarre scenario I don't think it's worth commenting on the things that we don't know so let's talk about what we do know we do know Lamar Jackson is an insane athlete who has been very dominant in the NFL. And what the right team is extremely dangerous. So what teams fit him? If he's not gonna be in Baltimore, where do you think Lamar fits in the best?

Man, I don't know. I wanna go in my mind. I wanna, I wanna go somewhere in the NFC, man. I just wanna be in the NFC man. I just want him out of the NFC. Oh gosh. The last thing I need is for the Mar Jackson to go to like the Raiders or something. You know what I mean? Like go to like Green Bay.

I like him in Green Bay. Like him in Green Bay? I like him in Green Bay. It's not a bad fit. I really do think anybody that has run the shantahann offense is probably going to be able to utilize Lamar's legs and athleticism, do a lot of boots, get him outside the pocket. They've shown that they're able to adapt and do some of these read plays and different things. So I think that I think that would work. I think that's a huge knock on Lamar right now is that he's not that pocket passer. He is made unbelievable strides in that regard.

Yeah, I mean, I actually, I actually watch, like, I'll watch game film. I'm not just like watching the TV. I'm watching game film because I like watching, uh, Mark Andrews. So I'm sitting down like man, he's pocket presence, poised like he's like over the years has definitely developed that so the knock that they're giving him that He's not a pocket pastor. It's like he's he's making strides in that regard with that being said I do think a shanty and style offense is gonna be more suited for him Yeah, anybody's gonna adjust their playbook no matter no matter who it is no matter what kind of

Offensive coach you have you're gonna adjust your playbook to who you have as weapons, as players. So it's like, no doubt. The whole system, QB thing, whatever. Yeah. He is the system. All right. All right. All right. Now, who are you, who are you thinking? Where are you thinking? He's going. I don't know where he's going. I know that the teams that I think would be able to utilize them the best are teams with great defenses that will keep the game close, allow him to utilize the strength city as with your legs and his unbelievable arm strength.

You know, he's a dual threat quarterback. You don't want to make him one dimensional, which can happen if you get really far behind in a game and you're forced into a dropback passing game. So I know Washington has said that they're not interested. I think that'd actually be a great fit. I hope you don't end up in Washington

because I think they have a good defense and Lamar would fit in well. You might got Eric Bianne me. Falcons run a very, they run the ball a lot. Yeah. Whenever you have a running quarterback that's gonna pair up well with a running game, you know, Saints, Saints have a good defense.

Yep. Titans I can see you doing well, but, you know, they're kind of in a little bit of a rebuild mode, but Patriots, could see that happening. I don't know. Any like, any coaches that are big on like time management, you know what I mean? Like, I feel like Belichick, Vrable, those guys are big on like, all right, I want my defense to be stout in like, I want my offense to like, take up a lot of time. You know what I mean? I want my job is to keep the other teams offence off the field.

Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? I think any team like that would be great for a guy like Lamar to step in. Because now it's, yeah, he can, he's going to have a good defense anytime anytime you get a you know a quarterback like that Well, I'm just saying shit now because any any any good any quarterback is gonna appreciate a good defense. You got a good defense Yeah, I'm not talking about shit. All right, he players as we got

This is turned into quite the segment. I think it's become one of the favorite ones on the social media's, the TikToks, the Instagrams, all the above. People are appreciating this one. So we're going to keep doing it. We're going to keep calling it players as though. I feel like we got some we got some recommendations. Yeah. What do we got? We got some recommendations. Yeah, one of you. What do we got? We got a Mike Davila players cops Player cops. That's I mean it's a solid one Mike is not very creative, but it's good That's barely barely better than what we got 92% accurate comparisons. I like that from bris w3

appreciate that. That was pretty good. That was pretty good. It's it's exactly how we're describing all these all these things. You're probably about to be accurate too. Yeah. Yeah. Bime, Bime it down. Bime it down. New Heights. Have a therning. Burn it down. burn it down. Burn it down. There it is. New heights hypotheticals. New heights hypotheticals. Yeah, I had to, I had to sound that one out. Yeah, struggle. That's struggle with a lot of letters. Marissa Taylor, know your role, segment. Know your role.

I guess that makes sense. It makes sense. And I'm all about knowing your role. I'm all about knowing your role. Blues Central said, who's who? Which I like. I guess gotta, yeah, who's who? I like who's who. I like who's who.

I feel like it's, I've heard that before though. Who's who? No, no, we can't. That's just new news. You already know. I feel like who's who is the one that I would like out of these suggestions, but I would say keep them coming. Who do you?

Who do you? I got guys whoop whoop and. Remember that? Is that a butcher's thing Brian Kelly who Brian Kelly Every time every time the bk would come in the locker room You got get whoop whoop whoop whoop Popos here. Yeah, five oh The best thing that I have on Brian Kelly was when that kid from another game or that kid from a

the best thing that I have on Brian Kelly was when that kid from the recruiting kid was in the back. We're getting our ass kicked in the first. No, no, no, no, it was it was halftime. It was halftime. We're in our ass kicked. Southeast Missouri State. Yes, we're going to ask it, but it was a close game. We're supposed to be blowing them out. Yeah, we go into the halftime locker room and BK is just rip in everybody defense get your head out of your ass offense You gotta do something

Glances over at the corner you keep all of a sudden. There's like three kids. There's like three kids over there too And they're all they're all they're all wearing their jerseys all of them are wearing their jerseys and they're like getting like this this This five star treatment to like be able to see what it's like at a Cincinnati bear cats half-time game We want them to come to the zoo He's just motherfucking every just in everybody's tail about You know getting the shit going and he just breaks it

He like loses his focus on the game and what he's talking about. And he sees this five foot eight, 300 pound kid. Oh, and the fuck is 53. There. The kids face white. That was an all time to see John Whittigan just like

Just trying to like hurry and like just get him out of there man. Oh my gosh Who in the fuck is 50th? I've never been able to look at the number 53 the same ever since that the only thing I think of Well, we're gonna get to the players that segment. The first two segments, obviously, were categories that I've been a little bit more familiar with than Travis. So Travis, you looked at all the suggestions we got and came up with what we're doing this week. What are we doing? We're doing players as... Yeah, baby! alcoholic beverages.

Alcoholic beverage. So not just beers. No, not just beers no not just any alcohol beverages any alcoholic beverage baby this is fun man this is a good one am I in my name in them and you're gonna you're gonna tell me what they are yeah good good Kirk cousins that is hot that's the foot that's the first guy you what is Kirk cousins. That is hot. That's the first guy. What is Kirk cousins? Kirk cousins is like a like a reasling white wine. White wine. Alrighty. Let's go Cam Hayward. Cam Hayward. The steal it to now that. That's this is about to be the manliest drink that you can think Steelers

Little was a steel reserve steel reserve baby Steel I mean kind of has he kind of looks like a can of steel reserve he does is a very I Don't know why I think Stammering just looks like he could just Drink anyone under the table. I don't know why. We probably can.

Yeah. Maybe we should try that out. Who we got? What's a guy like? What's Lane Johnson? Lane Johnson? I think Lane does one of the best turkey calls I've ever heard of my life.

Like, so it's just like a turkey. So I'm gonna go wild turkey from a man lane. Fits a personality and everything. Wow, that is so fitting. Yeah. He definitely drinks wild turkey. He looks like he drinks wild turkey and like, what's the big drinker?

I think wild turkey suits his personality. For sure. We got Marshawn Lynch. Oh, that's Hennessy all day. Hennessy baby all day. I heard he used to like take shots at a fantasy before games. I think that's why it works. I heard that exact same room.

It's in his veins. Yep. Yeah, I think he might have actually said that himself. Let's go. If Grant was a, Grant was the alcoholic beverage for a local. Original, the original for a local,

the one that was kind of not safe. That's right. If you're big enough and crazy enough it made just superhero. Turn to do it to the Hancock. For loco stood for you were about to do some shit in four hours. You never even drink. What a roller coaster did jump on man. We got Zach Wilson. What do we got for Zach Wilson? Zach Wilson. Zach Wilson. Structured me as a Zima guy.

I was gonna go like a high noon. High noon. Why high noon? I like I knew it's good. I can't do anything. Bucket man. I'm out. You can't do vodka. It's like the. I'm out. You can't do vodka. It's like the easiest one. No.

Why can't you cry? That's a crazy man. I don't know. I feel like every time I drink vodka, I just like I turn into a different person. Baka? Yeah, it's like makes me want to chain smoke cigarettes and just like throw bottles against the wall.

I don't know. It just it turns me into a different human being. No, I don't. I don't know. It just it turns me to a different human. No, I don't I don't either So I feel like those two go hand-to-hand sigs and vodka are like the same thing to me. I've never heard of vodka turning people into Well, I guess that's not I've heard a tequila making people crazy whiskey making people angry. I think vodka is just what's Josh Allen? What's my guy Josh Allen man? Josh Well, you got to go I mean he's he got to go with a pretty standard beer

But you got to go with a little bit more kick to it. So I'm gonna go with a nanny ice got a little bit of edge to him more kick to it. So I'm going to go with a natty ice. Got a little bit of edge to him. Place up in Buffalo where it's very icy and cold. He's a natural natty ice. I feel like natty ice is like the pregame to like somebody going through a table. Yeah, if you got natty ice at the party, something's getting broke. There's no question about that. 100%. Somebody's going through a the party, something's getting broke. There's no question about that. 100%. Somebody's going through a door, a window's getting broken. There's gonna be a hole in the floor.

Yeah. There's gonna be a fire. At some point, there's gonna be some type of fire. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, You are gonna have to use the nadi ice to put it out. Justin Herbert. Ha, ha, ha, fitting and it's screaming at me right now. Mike's hard lemonade. Why Mike's hard? What do you feel in the Mike's hard? I don't say it like it's a bad drink either because I will I will chug a Mike's hard lemonade right now.

Why is Mike? Why did Mike always get like the unmannedly caches? Why is my why did Mike's always get like the unmanly cash a But then like white claw is like acceptable like at some point It's a good point. All of these all of these fruity drinks were not acceptable Except for mad dog 2020 at some point all of these fruity drinks all of a sudden just became like Normal to drink, but they used to be like. Oh, what do you drink a Mike's our lemonade for? All right, and we love doing these players as, but here's what we need next week. We need you to keep sending your suggestions and starting to run out of topics. And we'd love to keep this segment going.

So please keep making this show successful and fun. Throw the alley. Hey, oh, all right. Let's get to the how I rose to an interview. You guys are really going to enjoy this. You, hey, oh, all righty, let's get to the Howie Rosemond interview. You guys are really going to enjoy this. Very rare does a general manager be as open and honest as Howie Rosemond was in this interview. So please enjoy.

Oh yeah, by the way, this interview is brought to you by Accelerator Energy Drink, Rock a Pop in particular. Mmm, that's my favorite. Our guest right now is the two-time pro football writers of America, executive of the year, the architect of the first Super Bowl in Eagles history, and the man I've called Santa Claus, which is weird, I feel like.

Does that, is that a religious thing you're worried about? No, I don't know. You don't know how to be here, and you look at nothing like Santa Claus, but. I didn't, I didn't know. I can tell by Chris. I like Chris. I didn't see you know.

Eagles, draft, it was a lot like Christmas. I feel like last year. So anyways, our first guest or our guest right now is General Manager, Executive Vice President, Howard Roseman. What's up, man? How's it going? Thanks for coming on.

I feel like I know this. All right. It was a very official handshake. Welcome to the number one sports podcast in the world. Wow. I didn't know this. All right. It was a very official handshake. It was a good handshake. It's the number one sports podcast in the world. Wow. I didn't know if you've heard. I haven't heard that.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know my feelings towards that because I have all to your motives with you at all times. You know this. Well, I will announce it right now if you tell us who we're picking in the first round. Who's going to be there?

I don't know. See, that's not fair. I'm not Apple's Apple. So if we got to? I don't know. See, that's not fair. It's not Apple's tapers. So if we got to make a deal, like you're going, promise me at the 10th pick, you won't take quarterback, deal. Deal.

We can make a deal on something. Okay, all right. Deal makers. Did I only come on here because of this? No, I came on here because I love talking to you and I love talking about football and you have the same passion. And so for me, I was honored that you asked me to come on and I'll talk to you

about anything anytime, my man. All right, perfect. Well, we, before we get to this season and the draft and everything, it's about last season. Obviously everything went really well. We're the only team in NFL history to go to the Super Bowl, win a Super Bowl, and then be back within five years with a different head coach and a new starting quarterback. How does that process take place?

Is there a point where you're in rebuild mode and then compete for a Super Bowl mode? Do you believe in like rebuild seasons and Super Bowl, or is this the goal? I don't, I don't. I feel like at the end of the day, there's a different team rebuilding and retooling. And I think one of the best things

that is painful at the time, and you know this is painful, is that when you have terrible years, like we had in 2012, with everything that happened with Coatreed, and what we went through that year, or when we had the year during COVID with Coatre Peterson,

and you know, feel terrible about how that happened. But when you bottom out like that, it actually allows you to flip it quicker. Because if you just have a year where you win six, seven, eight games and you're picking in the middle of the draft, it's hard to really change your team.

When you're picking, and we had the fourth pick in the 2013 draft, and we got Lane. Yep, change our team. You know, then we come back in the second round and we got Zach change our team, right? Because you know, then we come back in the second round and we got Zach. Change our team, right? Because you're not just picking at the top of the first round, you're picking at the top of every round.

And so for us, that moment changed our team, right? The free agents we signed at that moment and we were able to do it quicker. Now, not the same level we did it this year, 2012-2017. That's probably five years. I think it was. Yeah, that is five years. That is crazy. And then the same thing happened when we had the terrible year in 2020, while we pick

six, what did that allow us to do? That allows us to trade back to 13, get an extra first round pick, right? Yeah. Kind of make some of these moves, and for me, I mean, especially in our market, like, there is no rebuilding, like as quickly as we can to be a championship team. Like that's the goal as quickly. And it was almost a challenge to me. Like I felt like when I came back in 16

and really like the team was in a different place in 15, we had so many independent contractors on the 2015 team. From a far because I wasn't as tied in that year, you know? Yeah. Closet. I've mentioned that before. Yeah. And so like when I came back and you start looking at those guys, I'm like, man, we got a lot of guys that aren't Eagles, you know, that don't really fit who we are and what we're

looking for. And we're fortunate to turn around in two years. And I remember after 20, you know, someone saying, like, is this going to be three or four years? I'm going, I don't have that time, you know, you don't have that time. Right know? You don't have that time, right? We're trying to win as quickly as possible. And so I remember telling my staff, like, here's the challenge. Let's do it quicker than we did at 16 to 17. And how can we do it? Well, we have a bunch of these assets that we can use

to help us get a bunch of players. And so you gotta get a little lucky, you know, to be able to be in a situation where you're gonna to six and 13. And then still get the Vante Smith. You know, you got to be a little lucky that people, Landon, should have been a first round pick. And he goes to the secondary history.

And so you get a guy like that. And I think, you know, the opportunity, obviously, last year, the off season, certain things kind of fell our way. You know, obviously the A.J. is a huge part of it, but Bradbury being out there, Chauncey being out there. Hassan, our vision of Hassan, there probably should have been 20 teams on Hassan. Also him being from there. I think for us, you got to be a little bit lucky too in those moments. I had just the word rebuild. It kind kinda rose me the wrong way. It makes sense. Like, we're about competing.

Yeah. And so how do you say that to your players? How do you tell players that? This year doesn't really matter. We're just trying to give it a try. For next year. Three year plan. Yeah.

You can't get a culture like that. I feel like he's, how do you turn it back on? How do you tell these great players? Like, it's gonna take us two to three years and then say, now we're ready. Now all of a sudden, care extra hard about writing. Yeah, well you just touched on independent contracts. So I feel like this is a good spot to bring this up,

but has the model of building a team evolve? I feel like when I first came into the league, everything was, you have to build it a draft. Like you have to draft well if you want to build a championship team. Well, we've seen it not only with what we've done of building through both, but making good

smart acquisitions and pre-adoncy Getting value You saw what the Rams last year like has it kind of changed the model for building a championship team Yeah, and I think this and I feel really strongly about this I don't think what we did in 17 was the same thing we did in 2022 Okay, and I don't think what we did in 17 was the same thing we did in 2022. And I don't think like someone asked me yesterday, like, are you worried about teams copying your strategy?

And for me, it reminds me of the Seahawks defense in the 2010, 11, 12, 13, right? They were running cover three, and they had all these long press corners, and all their defense coordinators were getting head coaching jobs. And when you look at like Richard Sherman, take Richard Sherman, they draft them in the fifth round. So they were drafting guys that people like me

were looking at and going, this guy's six to two, 10, he can't change direction, he's not fluid enough to stay with the receivers in man coverage. And those guys are running four or fives, the Josh Norman types, the Richard Sherman types, and they're taking them in the fifth round. And those guys are running four or five. Yeah. The Josh Norman types, the Richard Sherman types. Yeah. And they're taking them in the fifth round and those guys are playing well, especially in that scheme.

Right. Well, once they started getting coaches from that scheme, you know, I'm thinking about Gus and there's got to hold cover three Seattle Seattle. Yeah, they had a bunch of head coaches. Yeah. And now all of a sudden, guys are taking those same players in the first and second round, lost your competitive advantage. And so for me, it's like the minute

that you gotta figure out, and I'm not saying we do this, but you gotta figure out like, where are you- Where are the leagues going? Almost like you gotta get in front of it. You gotta take a chance and say, all right, if I'm doing the same thing, everything everyone's gonna do, I'm probably losing any competitive advantage, right?

Those guys are going, I mean, it's like, undersize, I mean, really, I'm not saying this, because I'm on show, you changed how people looked at centers and interior offense alignment. Yeah. People started saying, like, I understand leverage better because of you, I understand space play because of you and how what you can do for your offense.

And so for those guys, I mean, you saw, like in last year's draft, like an undersized center, what in the first round? In the first round, we did have to come in the second round, like both those guys, I mean, you saw, like in last year's draft, like an undersized center, what in the first round? From the first round, we drafted Kim in the second round. Like both those guys go high and that was before, when I was first coming, they nobody drafted an undersized. No, you wouldn't do it. It's center in front of round like four.

No doubt. Like maybe Ryan Cleo might be one example, but. Yeah. And so I think it changed that. And so at the end of the day, it's the same thing. Like we did it when we were coach Reed, those edge guys, like the Trent Coles, they were 250 pounds. Like nobody wanted those guys.

Everyone wanted 275 pound guys. And then teams started to win like that and you had Doomerville. And you had really the Colts and Freenie. And team was sort of like, no, I could take these guys in the first round because they're explosive, they're dynamic. They placed a load of the ground. It's actually hard to block those guys.

And you lost kind of that advantage of knowing I could take these guys in the third, fourth, and fifth round because people are going to go, these guys are too small. And so what we got to figure out is, all right, like, you know, we're going to try to play Jaylin, no doubt about it, like, want to play Jaylin. And so it's not going to be the same where we can just pluck free agents and grab those guys and pay them. And that doesn't mean we can't be really good, but we got to just change and get out ahead of it and go, all right, where can we actually really improve the team at positions that really matter to us without kind of being in this sense where we're freaking, where we

got 20 teams on the same guys. Sure. So you're trying to find these guys that you think will bring immense value to the Eagles team and what we're doing, that other teams really aren't aware of how that unique player maybe could benefit their team. And we can be wrong and I'll give you an example. You know, last year going through the draft,

you know, my perspective was Jordan Davis 10 years ago would have been a top three pick. I agree. And so you're going through it and you're going, why is this guy falling? Right? And everyone's going well, you know, played 40% of the time at Georgia, you know? The guy won the Lamarby and the Outland trophy. He was top 10 in the, in the Heisman trophy with the best defense in the country that won

the National Championship game. And so you're going, what, what are we missing? Freak show athlete. Freak. What do we miss? Good character. Yeah, it was a freaking captain in Georgia. I mean, I was with someone yesterday who said, unbelievable leader.

One of the games we lost this year, who was at the front of the locker room, greeting everyone. Yeah, yeah, so he's got an unbelievable personality. Yeah, unbelievable personality. And so you're going, what is going on here? And it's like, well, he can't play on third down. Why?

Yeah. I mean, that's four seven and he's going to six dead. That is Steve. How are you stopping that guy, you know? And so it's like, that to me was a situation where it's like, all right, why is it playing 40, 50% of the plays? Well, really look at the games that George was in last year. They were winning 42 to seven in the third quarter

most of those games. And then they're smart. They have all these five star recruits. Well, that's another area. We got to keep these guys here. We have all these unbelievable players. We need to utilize all of them so that everybody's happy. And it's a good team environment.

So we're going to lose them a year from now on Jordan. And when he's on another team, I guarantee he's playing on third down in Russian the past. And in the close games and the national championship games, he's playing 60% of the place. And so for when I look at that, I'm going, man, like that's an opportunity, right? Like this guy, we love Olamin and Delamin, right?

That's not hard to figure out. Which is ironic, right? Like this five foot 10, 175 pound guys obsessed with freaking Olamin and Delamin, right? Obsessed, you know? And I mean, who do I love, right? Dom's back here. He's like, big Dom.

Olamin. All right, you know, start, coach Reid, Olamin, you know? And all are, you think about the guys who left and got assistant GM to GM jobs, like, what were they? A lion, all right. So I think for us, it's like, we gotta figure out where that is, now we don't have to overthink it.

If there's a freaking great player or 10, that plays a position and you're just like, all right, we're picking 10. I don't think it's that confusing there. I think it's, as you go through think it's as you go through the draft, as you go through free agency, I think just, I said this yesterday, kind of try to zig a little bit when people are zagging,

and just try to stay ahead of it, because it's so hard to be like this bell curve, like the leak set up based on the cap and picks that they really want everyone to be nine and eight and freaking eight and nine and just have that competition. Well competitive, yeah. And so I think if you want to really be great here,

you almost have to take chances that maybe don't work out 2012, 2020, you know, where it kind of falls and you go, oh shit, like that was really bad. Yeah. But at least if that happens and you're here, well you get a chance to reset it a little bit because you're not Going six. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense So you're you're taking chances because if they pay out the reward is high and if it doesn't pay out

It's like well at least we're gonna get good assets to then continue to retool Who wants any other goal other than winning a chance to chip man? Like really and and and I think about this and I got to say this and I said this to you after the soup Well like when you came back last year, like you trusted, you trusted, you weren't coming back to go nine and eight and losing the first round again. And at the time you made that commitment,

you didn't know how I was gonna look. I'm just looking good, it was pretty good. It was pretty good, right? I talked about it. And I think at the end of the day, like that trust from our players, you know, from our staff, from our staff, from our coaches, from Jeffrey, that to me, that's it to me.

That's my responsibility. When you say that, I don't think you think about it that way, which I understand because you're humble, but I go, I gotta make this guy feel like I'm doing for him what he's doing for me. Yeah, well, I do feel that. Last year, the entire way of the off season when you could tell that we were building to try and do what we did, it can be for us, you're a bull.

Do you think that, because I mean, the moves you've made in free agency in getting rid of contracts at certain points when it was necessary. Like, do you think other teams are afraid to take high-roesman calls right now? Do you think you're, like, what happened with Tennessee, right? Are other GMs now gonna be like,

I'm gonna tread a little bit more carefully if I'm dealing with high because you've... I hope not, I really do, because, you know, at the end of the day, everything we're doing, I legitimately, like there is a fraternity with GMs, especially the guys who've been around a long time, which isn't a lot, but these guys, you don't want anyone to freaking lose their job,

you want guys to make a lot of money. I mean, it's like this, I say all the time, like my best friend in the world since I'm five years old, you know, he's a better athlete, he's a freaking phenomenal athlete, but when I do anything with him, whether I'm a playing basketball, or we play basketball, or whatever sport it was,

like I wanted to kick his ass, you know? But when we stopped doing that, he's still my best friend, I still cared about him. So like I want to find Wim Wim situation. I really do, like I want someone to feel like, you know, at the end of the day, like it worked out for both sides of the day. And feel like, you know, at the end of the day, like it worked out for both sides. Yeah.

And maybe it just worked. Now, at the end of the day, like, I've done some bad trades. Like, I can think of one right now as I'm talking about terrible trade that I made. And in this, like, they have to say yes, right? So I'm not like, I don't have anything over anyone. Like, I'm not like, I don't have some Jedi mind trick. Sure.

That it's just like, you will do that. Ah! Ah! And so, it's like, to me, it's like, it's a little unfair, you know? Sure. And yeah, I'm trying to do what's best for our team. Yeah, I care about the freaking Eagles, and I care about us being good because I want to

freaking win. But at the end of the day, every time I get off those calls, I feel like the other team, I'm actually feeling the opposite way, I'm going, what don't I know? Yeah, I'm sure. Both parties are probably guarded a little bit. You want to make sure that you're doing what's best. Well, I think it's all cyclical.

You know, I'll make some stupid ass move like I always do and then they'll go, oh yeah, and now we're going to take advantage of them again. I am curious about this. How does that process take place? Because I've never been to free agency, like, or been traded yet. How does the trade market, like, like, there's your round trade. Hey, Duff, how's that going?

Jason goes, Simon and then I trade them. And we don't put a no trade problem in it. Well, I'd be able to walk back into the city and fill it out there like that. No, no. No. But how, like, so,

I'm feel free not to answer this, but the AJ Brown trade, how do you find out that this is a guy that's available? Is that released by their front office? Is that his agent kind of saying, like, hey, it doesn't look like a deal's gonna get done. There's a chance they're looking to shop. I've always been curious when they say,

X team is shopping, X player, what does that mean? I think the one thing that I'm not sure it's a good trade, but I do have one quality that I can't deny. And that is I am relentless, like freaking relentless. And that does know it's okay. Depends how it comes off. It depends where and when. Okay.

It comes with competing for World Championships. I think Relateless is a good trait. So, you know, and so for me, I am so scared. I think like part of what you have, and I think I have, is there's an insecurity that you're not gonna be great, right? Yeah. I think that's really like anyone, in 15,

when I met with like these business leaders and stuff, like they all have this like insecurity that it's gonna pass them by, and they're not gonna be great. It's not like anyone in 15 when I met with like these business leaders and stuff, like they all have this like insecurity that it's gonna pass them by and they're not gonna be great. It's not like you feel like, all right, we want a Super Bowl. Oh, everything's great. I'm like, I'm like, my legacy set.

It's the opposite. I feel like, and I'm so worried that someone's gonna be available. That I don't know about. And I see a trade or a move made, and I didn't know about it. And you could have it. Would have done it. And so, for me, that drives me.

So what do you try to do? You just, like, the information part of this is like talking to these guys, these GMs, just like, I'm open to anything. You know, like, we're looking for these positions, but I'm open to anything. And honestly, like, I know it's gonna cost a lot, but don't be afraid to ask me, because I may do it, you know?

And I think the more you can do that, the more opportunities come about. And I may do it. I think the more you can do that, the more opportunities come about. I really do it because I'm petrified of waking up one morning and seeing AJ Brown traded to you, pick the team, I don't want to pick the team. I would have done that trade. How do I explain that? How do I explain that to our players? How do I explain that to Jeffrey?

How do I explain that to our coaching staff? I think that's part of it is making sure like I'm trying to speak to you. You're a list of three. Single guy and saying like, throw out an idea, throw it in an idea, tell me what you do, like this is what we're looking for. And I think the only thing that that helps with

is you just kind of have options. Okay. You also get laughed at a lot. What are you gonna say? We're out of time. We'll come back. All right, perfect. Thanks, I'll.

All right, if you think that wraps up the how he interview, you're wrong. That's only part one. How he loved doing it so much, he did it for 20 minutes, had to leave and offered to come back and did another 40 minutes. Boom. Jesus. Here's the second half, baby.

All right, we're back with how we had to obviously busy guy at the con mine, but he was generous enough to come back. So thank you for that. And we're gonna do how he roseman part two. Part two. Sequel. Sequel.

Rocky Four was good. Which one's your favorite? Rocky Three. Same. Yeah, I mean, Rocky Three. I tell people this all the time, I think. Growing up, I liked Rocky one the most. And Rocky Four is like a guilty pleasure,

just like, it's ridiculous in the best way possible. It is, but there's always that moment where like, you know, at the end, when he talks about, you know, if we can change, you can change, and then his son's like freaking crying there, and you're just like, man, you know, the father's gonna go with it. I know, I know, I think it all the time. I'm like, anytime someone's like, man, you know, the father. It ended the goal, you know. I know, I know, I know, I think it all the time.

I'm like, anytime someone's like, in like relationship issues, I'm like, frickin' rocky and drogo change the world, we can do this. We, like it's a real thing. Well, in Philly, rocky is a real person. It is, yeah, there's a whole statue and everything. And I do think, you know, there are people

that don't think that statue should be up because he's like a fictional character. But he embodies the city so well. Like what's wrong with it being a fiction? He just gives his fictional, doesn't mean it's not like a great thing, right? We're a little bit fictional characters and sometimes, like I mean, it's you're Kelsey.

You're not like Jason, this husband, this father, you're freaking Kelsey, right? Yeah. And like I don't, I husband, this father, you're freaking Kelsey, right? Yeah. And like, I don't, I feel like, I'm just freaking howie. You know, like, like, me, I mean, like, 10-year-old kids on a street, like, howie, who are we gonna drop? Yeah, that was like, it's Mr. Roseman, dude.

Mr. Freaking Roseman, dude. And it's, I think that's one of the beauty's affiliates. Like, it's all of these like these characters that are real life, personalities. That's segway sin to this next section really well. Philadelphia fans. So we've been here pretty much, well, as a GM, I've been here before. Yeah, 2010.

So I've been here for your entire genesis of youngest GM, I think in the history of the NFL, to obviously Chip Kelly area, then coming out of that to winning a Super Bowl with Doug Peterson, to then being maligned and kind of... Oh boy. Yeah. And, but then to research, again, this year, what is Howard's relationship with Philadelphia? I feel like the fans are so passionate, so die hard, like they can say whatever they want to us, but I feel like if I walk in Indianapolis right now and their fans start yelling, I mean, our fans saw that,

they would have my back. For sure. 100%. But so they could say to us, but nobody else can. At the end of the day, you're still an eagle. And I think so. Philadelphia fans will defend pretty much anybody against outsiders.

And I also understand that at some point, hopefully far, far in the future, I'll be gone. And people will be compared to me, you know, because we had success, you know, because the players that we have and the coaches that we have. And so I feel like that's one area. And I'd say I've had less than five, oh no, probably have them now,

because I'm fucking like challenging people. I've had less than five bad interactions with our fans, even in the worst of times. Yeah. But I think from my perspective, that motivates me, that challenges me, because I understand there's such a high standard and such a high expectation

that I gotta be on my game all the time. I don't know how I'd be if I was in a market where I was like, yeah, so they won five games two years in a row. I'm glad you brought this up, because I feel the same way. I think I would be miserable in that situation. Well, and there's been multiple guys that have left

the Eagles organization and I've asked them, because I've never been anywhere else. I mean, what's it like? You never gonna be anywhere. I mean, what's it like when? You never remember. Just to get that. Just to get that. So what is it like to play for such and such, I'm not gonna name these other organizations,

but they're like, man, there is way less stress. There's way less sense of urgency. Like, it's just not as like, so much winter loose mentality or like like liver die, like these extremes that it felt like there wasn't full of. And I think the fans for sure play a role in that as does the media. And that level of like attention and care that they have for the organization and how well the Eagles are playing has for sure I think impacted the sense of urgency that we have as

members of the organization. I didn't think before I played in the NFL I didn't realize I think how much fans impact in a city, the mentality and kind of the overall culture that the team has. Don't you think that was a big part in 2020? I do. I think there was a lot of things in 2020. So I'm not saying no, but someone who would have won the Super Bowl. I think there's a lot of things in 2020 so I'm not saying no of some we would have won the Super Bowl we have fans but yeah well I think it works in in all of those you get the extremes of it and when it's not working out you're gonna be let know and and conversely you know and Nick and I talked like like I think when you're good you don't want to listen to it right because they will they they will pump you up in love on you just as

hard as you can be hated and maligned in the city. But when they're loving up on you, that's also the extreme like reality is actually, okay, listen, I'm playing really well, but there's all these other reasons why that's happening. And if I don't stay focused on that, that'll change really, really quick. And that's kind of just being a Philadelphia athlete. It's funny because we have one of our former players I won't say it was and you know, he went to another team in a small market and I remember him telling me a story about like,

you know, the first Friday night of the season, he goes out and gets all dressed up and you know, puts the sunglasses on and goes to like a club, you know, in a hotel. And he's like, I was like, did anyone notice you? He goes, no one had any other person. Yeah.

And it's like, I don't know that there's coach. It'd be nicer times. I mean, just be able to go on and have a dinner. Yeah. It's nice of times. There's no doubt about it. And I think at the same time, it's like, I feel like that's what makes it special.

Is that, I think it does raise all of our levels to some extent. I think, you know, at the end of the day, like, you'd be talented wherever you are, you'd be a great player wherever you are, but I think it gets us going because of the attention and the energy that it takes and knowing that when you win, it's even better. Yeah, I agree. 100%. I think for you and I, you know, like, there is a point where we're competitive, you know, and you hear stuff and you wanna say, fuck you.

Yeah. And your initial reaction is always going to be pretty much that. Right. Somebody hits you and the stuff that hurts the most for me at least is when it's true. When they're right, when somebody's saying something that doesn't make sense or is ridiculous, it's true, when they're right. When somebody's saying something that doesn't make sense or is ridiculous, it's like, you know, this guy,

whatever, but when something is said and when deep down, you're like, man, they're right, like, I am struggling with this. Your initial reaction is to be like, man, if you, I'm done with that. But then the people that can come back down and be like, okay, does this is this actually right? Do I really need to improve in this area? Like we said before, I think that's a big part of what's driven this organization and the team. And although you don't want to hear it at times, and it sucks, and I've been a part of that, as have you and anybody else who's played in the city, like we said, it's a right-of-passage of playing in Philadelphia. It brings a part growth and growth and ultimately it's good for you,

if you can use it constructively. Yeah, because there's a lot of guys that can't do that. Yeah, and it's natural to play the comparison game and start going like, what, you're on me about this, what about the other people in this league who haven't done this sort of thing? And that's not healthy either. I think at the end of the day, I think you get to a point

where you understand, like, you know, I'm thinking about it myself anyway. I'm trying to do better anyway, like, I know when I mess up a draft pick, like, I know it. There's no doubt about it. I know when I make a bad move. And so, you know, you get reminded about it. And it's just like, all right, I got to make up for this fivefold, you know, and then you want to do that. And I think that's, and at the end of the day, I don't know that I've purely processed what happened a couple weeks ago. Like, I don't know how to have a real chance to kind of go. We play in the Super Bowl. Oh, I guess you've processed Jesus.

You know, I'm still clearly into Nile, but that ever his Jesus. You know? And I'm still clearly in denial to that ever took place. I know. That's healthy. I think the denial would be healthy at this point. For me, I think that part of it is because we went through it and saw how special that was. Yeah. And how it affected so many people.

I think even more so, like, obviously I wanted it for me, you know, you wanted it for yourself. But just to have people on our team, I thought, I thought, think about guys on our team we haven't gone through with some of the coaches. And just how special it was, and you kinda like, want them to feel that.

And that's what drives me really, because knowing that that celebration, how affects people, and even you know this, like people will come up to you and say, thank you, you know, to this day. It's forever cemented, once you do win it. So it would have obviously been unbelievable for that team and that group that we had last year,

because it was a special year, it was a special team that was put together. It does suck for those guys and us being a part of it to not have that. Do you think it's easier that you have one? I think so officially it's easier, but I think like you just said, that team didn't have one. And when you're playing in a season, you really get wrapped up with those guys, those coaches, that group, and you want to have it so much for each other at the end of the day because so much work has been put in,

so much hard work and perseverance and dedication has been put in. And I think it really, yeah, it's just that even though I personally have one and I have that to cherish with that 17 season, we both do. Not having that with this group of guys is important because the team's gonna be different. Yeah, it's so funny when you're saying that and thinking about the group. I was thinking I literally 10 minutes ago, I get a call from Stout.

And then the ready this hour goes, he goes, are you dumb with the fucking podcasts and the fucking media? Are you ready to find fucking plays again? Or this is what you're going to be doing the rest of the off season? That's what's that great. Stout is like the Philadelphia fans. Do you bring everybody back down to... I'm like, sad, sad, I'm doing like one thing.

I'm really, I'm like, I'm explaining it like our fans. We're connecting, we're connecting. We're connecting, we're connecting. Just explaining to him, I'm like, I'm doing it. It's fucking Kelsey, you want to vote? Second vote. Do you want to read about like, I'm literally like, trying to rationalize, I'm like,

I've done 210 reports on college guys. You want to talk about the offends of Lyman, because you want to read about, like, I'm literally like trying to rationalize, I'm like, I've done 210 reports on college guys. You want to talk about the offense, Alamun? Cause you need to catch up on me. He's like, I'm fucking kidding, I'm bossing you. I was like, me too, me too, just totally bossing you. Speaking of doing reports, do you remember what my report was? So I had the combine.

I haven't been back here since I was drafted. Yeah, I had not, well, I mean, outside of playing in Indianapolis, but yeah, what was my scouting report? What made you guys draft me? How many draft boards was I taken off of the moment I weighed 280 pounds? Well, I think it was that plus the combination of intense anger that you wanted to beat the shit out of everyone within five miles from you at the time was at least the reputation, right?

Yeah. And I think we can't tell this story without really telling the story of Howard Mudd, you know, and great, great coach. And for me personally, a great man. And somebody who really helped me with evaluating offence Lyman. And really when you think about it,

like we transitioned, we had Wankosteo and then Howard came in and it was totally different, you know, with Juan we were looking for size and length and power and Howard came in and he said, I want to do that, you know? And so what we really had to do is we had to watch guys together. And for us, it changed from that to explosiveness,

athleticism, instincts, vision on the field. Like you have a lead vision. I mean, we talked about this a few weeks ago. Like for me, I never thought of offense aligned and like that. And when we were going through this process, we had you in the fourth round, you know? Fourth round.

Yeah. So why did I go in the sixth? Why didn't you guys just hear the fourth round? Well, honestly, I'm embarrassed that we had you in the fourth round because you know? Fourth round. Yeah. Yeah. So why did I go in the sit? Why didn't you guys just get in the fourth round? Well, honestly, I'm embarrassed that we had you in the fourth round because you're thinking of first-bound Hall of Famer and we had you in the fourth round, so we were wrong about that. And we had it because at the time, like we talked about before, like, nobody at that

time really looked like you. Right. No, nobody. And you were converted linebacker, right? Newton, if I remember, you played freshman year as a linebacker. Yep, defensive scouts, you play with the year. Yeah. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha So I remember like, so Howard had this way about, very charming. I'm fucking telling you how this fucking guy, you know?

Like, there was strong, there was power. I'm telling you. Hey, so, but we liked you, and at the same time, we knew you were kind of off half the boards in the league. And so I think, like, yeah, we were, we were, we were totally excited to get you and draft you there. And then you came, then we had a lockout, you know? And so we didn't get anyone. And so what I remember about that is we were, like, you know, I can picture where I am at certain times. And I can picture, we were two weeks into practice. And I'm on the side of

the cafeteria, like before the line where we're kind of wraps around and I'm like walking out with food and he grabs me and he's like, he's starting. And I was like, This is entertaining, yeah. It's like two weeks in, in two weeks in. And two weeks in, no off season program, like two weeks in.

And he's like, he's starting. And I was like, yeah, great, you know, I was like, what do you think? And you know, like week three, because we have two road games we're playing at St. Louis, Atlanta. So this is the first one. Is it Atlanta? And then Atlanta was the second one. Yeah, we're on the road have two road games we're playing at St. Louis, Atlanta. So this is the first one.

Is it Atlanta? And then Atlanta was the second one. Yeah, we're on the road in domes. We're in a trap. And he's like, we beat St. Louis. And it was actually a sign of things to come because it wasn't clean. It wasn't a pretty win.

And Atlanta, we should have won. DRC made this pick. And then Mike got hurt. He ran into Todd. He got knocked out. Kafka came in. Yeah, we had some trap, I think, where we tried to run a trap plan,

the handoff got fumbled because it wasn't synced up or something like that. Yeah. And then we lost like, we lost like five in a row, Sam Fran, Ronnie Brown tried to throw the pass, we lost in Buffalo, yeah, Jiquet jumped off side, we were trying to get the ball back,

I probably could go throw all those. Yeah, it's crazy how much she, anyway. So, so I was like, yeah, you know, playing in Don't Probably Hard to start a rookie center of the first two games when we have an off-season program and he's like, don't even start with me. He's starting week one.

And this guy, I remember it man, so clearly, he's like, this guy is going to be the captain of your team and your best player. I don't want. I'm like, that's awesome. That's awesome. But does he have to start on the road if he don't win? And he was like, yeah, he's free.

And then it was just like, he, he, and you really, right away were a good player. Like, it didn't take you long. Like, there was no transition. Which really when you think about the arc of like great players in this league? Like you see, you're not maybe at your ceiling, but you see the flashes.

Like you see right away. And it was just like, and I give coach Readla I cried a fair too because coach Readla was like, yeah, we're freaking playing them. The trust with Howard to be able to do that. It's total trust. Because Jamal had played a lot of football. And like it wasn't like it was me or somebody who was un total trust. Because Jamal had played a lot of football. And it wasn't like it was me or somebody who was unproven.

Like Jamal had played a lot of... And if I remember correctly, we had given him an extension, like a year or two before. And... Yeah. Made me remember. And for us, it was more... Not necessarily that we had the need, it was that you had...

And really, it really started how we drafted off in Salamon because really it went into the explosive athleticism, the short shuttle, you know, this having guys on offense who were elite athletes to match up with our skill position guys and it really when you see what's gone on the league, Howard was ahead of it, you know, I like to say me and coach Readworth but really you got to give him credit because the league wasn't really there. At least one size.

They just won the size. How much has your... I do remember. Do you remember? In the draft room, guys were going, I'm just telling you, he may fight half the team. I haven't been like reputation coming up since then. He likes the party. He really likes the party.

You know, though. All these racer and you can do your your research cause all of this is accurate. And you know, anytime I like a guy, you know, in our scouts kind of, like I just, like at some point I just got them taken anyway, but I try to like build the case, you know, and I'm like, okay, does anyone want to go to the University of Florida when I was 21 years old and see what I was doing right there, you know?

Like at the end of the day, like what are we talking about? We're talking about college kids, like I think we judge these guys with a separate conversation. We judge them like we're hypocrites about it. Like we look through it like, there's supposed to be like 30 years old with a family or whatever. Why wouldn't you take advantage of your opportunities

to have fun and you're in freaking college and take advantage of the moments to be with your friends and be a little freaking crazy? Because it doesn't last. Right. Is your... Jason Galcin how he rosemond on collageers. That's right. Has your view of offensive?

So you said how it changed it. How has that changed even from then? Like, what are you looking for in offensive? Well, it's interesting because then a kind of switched again when it came back in 16. And what I felt like was, and Stout and I went into after it a little bit because what I said was, okay, if everything, it's just like when you're building

a wide receiver corpse or a school position guys, like why was AJ perfect? We had the vauntlet. We had Dallas, you know, Ques had a role. Like we needed that power forward on the outside. We had it on the inside with Dallas, but we needed that body type, that kind of player who can win one on one, who can win on a slant,

who can kind of the Alshon role, right? I don't know. From that Alshon, I learned a lot from that team with the bigger body back, running backs, right? And so what I felt was, okay, if you're gonna have these elite athletes on the outside and at center, you better be firm in the middle around that so that you can allow Jason to be able to get on the

move and these guys will want to play firm. I'm looking out the way I play and like, man, if I did that when I was younger, I'd have been so much better. I got away with so much stuff early in my career because I was, even though I was under size, I was a pretty strong guy for being under size. And like, I look back, I'm like, I've got like, both hands outside, I'm like a run play, I'm high, I'm not like, my stance, I can't gain ground

with my first step, like all these little things that I didn't need to do to succeed, that then as I got older, especially in 16, became a parent, I was blocking Danny Shelton, and I'm out here, and like I'm 60 pounds lighter than this guy, and I'm trying to block him with hands outside. There's no chance I'm gonna be able to do that,

and credit to stout especially by being like, no, you can't do this, just stop doing this, just go in there and you'll have power. And I mean, any center, I firmly believe this, is gonna look good next to Brandon Brooks. Like, that's how good Brandon was. Stephanie was Nuski, was not only a physical guy, but he was smart.

We had a really, really good room that following year that allowed me to play my best, our tackles to play it their best. So. And it allowed Isaac to grow. Yeah. And it gave him the opportunity to get a little bit stronger because we kind of, we force fed him that first year

and we basically said, he's a third run, Peggy's got to go play. You know, and that wasn't really fair to him. It gave him an opportunity to do that. And I think that's one of the things that I have in Philly that not every GM has is like, we're watching college offense, Lime and I was stout. And I know if they have the right

mentality if they have the right traits in their body and they have technique issues they're gonna be fine. And you know that they're gonna be developed. You know and so like I'm thinking about when you're saying that you know before I left you know I'm like walking out with my backpack and I'm going to my style see there. Come here. Come here for one 20 plays. I'm like I know I got to go he's like 20 plays and he's like you see this you see I was grabbing right there I'm going to my style, see there. Come here, come here for one, 20 plays. I'm like, I know I gotta go. He's like 20 plays and he's like, you see this, you see he always grabbing right there. I'm gonna change it right there, you know?

And I'm like, I know you will. Let me move it together for a long enough, I know you will. And I think for me, that has what's changed. It's like, I want to have, and you know, I mean, we went through this draft process last year, and with Cam, we went through it together. And to me, you can do that, but it's gotta be like a starting five on your basketball team,

like everyone has to compliment each other. And that's why landing was so big for us, getting him, because those, he's rare. He's got rare fun on guard. He's a better athlete than people realize. He's very, very big and strong, but you see him operating spatially, man, that guy for, I mean, what does he weigh?

350? Something like the 340 maybe? And for his size, you don't see guys that move like that very often. And those are those guys that are super rare. The other thing about him and I be interested in your take is like, because of, probably stuff like podcasts, but like because of social media, players aren't the same as they were 10 years ago.

Okay. And Landon has unique football character. Yeah. Like Landon loves football. He loves football. He loves practicing football. He loves being in the building all the time. And I think the more guys you have like that

that are learning from guys like you and Lane and understand that gives them an opportunity to be great as opposed to being like pretty good players, you know, because of how much they care. And when you go through it and you kind of go and go, well, you know, we go through all these questionnaires and guys, what do you love to have video games? Video games, video games, video games, video games,

you know, like it's unbelievable. How many, and I get it, you know, I like the video games, you know, techno-bleach mobiles, right? Yeah. Tango-bleob-bleob-bleob-bleob. Bo Jackson was cheating in that, but I think like that, that's another part of the, he fits, right?

And we have a team culture, and then we have an online culture. Right. And the online culture drives the team. Well, I appreciate you saying that. We do have a really, really good room. We've had a good room. We got great people and a great coach.

You talked a little bit about guys and what they did when they were younger and like guys wanted to be a, or play video games. There was an interesting articles that have come out about you recently that I didn't know were true. Is it true that when you were nine or 10 years old, you knew you wanted to be a GM?

I did. I wanted to be in a four quarter back. Because not too many, I wanted to. I wanted that many nine, 10 year olds that I want to be a GM. I was psychopath. I tell you to be fair, I did want to play. And I used to go and all my friends around me played

and I wrestled at 119 pounds. So I was a seeder. I mean, that was a seeder. That was a seeder. I mean, that was a flight. That was a seeder. I was a seeder. And I go, and my friends will come home for football, and I'll be like, I'm throwing. I still thought, you've seen me practice sometimes.

I still think I have the freaking, I still think I can play. Like maybe I'll go back and use one of my years of eligibility. But I kind of figured out quickly that that probably wasn't going to happen, and I loved it. And it wasn't because of anyone I knew or anyone around me, it was almost like I felt

like I was like put on this earth to do this. And I was so determined to go in that direction, I didn't have any other paths. And so I started writing letters like when I was 14 years old to every team in the league, and I do it like three times a year. And then, you know, as I got to like my junior year and I used to go, I do it like four times a year. And I'll just get just rejection rejection rejects like fucking from this floor to the ceiling. And I didn't have and I think that's that's part of it was like I didn't care like all right freaking college up I'll take out the loan dining. I didn't have a

backup plan. And it was harder because there was no way to connect with people. So I really had to like, almost be like a stalker, you know, and to try to find people. And so I feel like I was lucky that I had this direction. Like I knew what I wanted to do. And so like, I would go, I'd watch, you know,

on Saturdays I'd watch college football. And this like, I'm 10, 11 years old. I'd have notebooks and I'd watch college football where I'd be in class and I'd like, be building a roster or like, I'd see a play and I didn't really want coach. But I'd see a play and I'd write it, and I'd be building a roster, or I'd see a play, and I didn't really want coach, but I'd see a play, and I'd write it down, and I'd have notebooks like I have in my house, I have notebooks and notebooks of stuff like that, and I think

about it, and it's like, man, I'm a psychopath, but I did feel it. I felt it deep inside, this is what I'm gonna do. Yeah. And I didn't know anyone. You know, I remember people would be like, I mean, freaking those Andy Reed and Joe Banner and Jeff were like, I don't know, I know those guys. Yeah. Like even a little bit. You're just sending him letters every single day

until eventually Joe jumped at it? Eventually what happened was, Mike Taimai was the pro director of the Jets. He basically, he called me and I was in New York, I was going to Ford and Law School and I had this like local caller ID was before that. And he's like, you the Jets, he basically, he called me and I was in New York, I was going to Ford Law School and I had this like local caller ID was before that and I was like, your Jets football club and you know, I've been rejected for so long

at that time, it was like my second year in law school, I had no idea what I was gonna do and I picked up and I'm like, what's, hello, you know, and I'm like, hey, it's the Jets you have time for a Mike Town Pro Director and I'm like, I literally was like, all right, who the fuck is this? You know, Mike Town King, this is not funny. And I'm like, yeah. Yeah, Mr. Roseman, do you have time for Mike Townman's and he basically just said, you know was like, all right, who the fuck is this? You know, I got it. This is not funny. And I'm like, yeah.

Yeah, Mr. Rosman, do you have time for my time on this? And he basically just said, you know, like, I'm looking for an intern, and I'm going through my resumes at that time. I went on all on computers, forget 1999. And I said, every single resume, I literally have a rejection, like a thank you for me rejecting you.

Mr. Tom, thank you for taking the time and rejecting me. Keep me in mind. Mr. Tom, thank you for taking the, you know, and so he's like, I don't know if I can help you, but I'll do a phone interview with you. Mr. Timeout, thank you for taking the time and rejecting me, keep me in mind. Mr. Timeout, thank you for taking the, you know, and so he's like, I don't know if I can help you, but I'll do a phone interview with you, and then he brought me in, and I interviewed with Parcells. So then Mike basically called Joe,

because I guess they had a running joke about, and he said, I interviewed the freaking crazy guy, and if you have a job, bring him in, and he brought me in, and he's like $200 a week for seven months, and I was like, Oh my god. Deal. Deal.

And then the best part was at the end of the year, like I had no job and he didn't make any promises. So it was like a 2000 season. And I go in and I'm like, more on I am. And he goes, I go, hey, where do I stand? You know, my full time job here is something I'm 25 years old and he's like, well, I'm still thinking about it. And then, you know, it was like the beginning of it. And it was, you know, my full-time job here is something I'm 25 years old. And he's like, well, I'm still thinking about it.

And then it was like the beginning of it. And it was, Andy had just started. And we had moved to Nova Care and we were building in stadium. Tom and life's everything. And I just think I got in at the right time and what the right people. And we do this night here at Tom Hacker, our GM for me. And great guy was so influential on my career.

And he passed away a couple years ago and we used to come here and he's after every night of entry. Come on, we're going out, we're going out. Tom, I don't want to go out any, he picked this, the whistle stop. That's a, I'm not giving advertising to a place that delete the place. We went to a bar and it's smoky and it's terrible and we'd have to go there and so we have a night night here at the combine area where we all go, all of us who were firm. It was awesome because Andy Staff had like 10 head coaches and then our personnel staff ended up having like seven GMs. And it was like, I don't know what it's like

to work anywhere else, but it was all these people who were freaking super competitive with each other. Two, like it was like, who's, like who's, who's getting, who's moving up first, who's getting this? And we all continue to be friends this day, but it was like everyone was like, because we had a lot of success with Coach Reader, I don't know. Oh, absolutely.

Welcome to the NFL moment. My welcome to the NFL moment. Do you have it? We ask all the players. And what you're welcome to the NFL moment as well. Yeah, like where you got your ass kicked, because the first time you. So I got one actually. So, you know, I came in and

my first real full season was 2000 and we made the playoffs and then we went to Champions game in 2001. Went to the Champions game in 2002. In 2001, we lost the St. Loose. The St. Loose is the greatest show on turf. Like we played really well. Troy Vincent got hurt during the week. Buck got hurt at the end of the first half. He was doing really well. We lost the game, probably a better team. Next year, it was the last game at the vet.

We played Tampa. We come out and Donovan got hurt. Miss a bunch of games that year. We come out and Brian Mitchell or Trends of the Open kick, like 50 yards. Next play, Duce takes it like 50 to the house. The whole stadium shake it like I Feel it in the press box and then

We end up losing 14 7 Joe Jervis. There's takes like a 77 yard slant to the house and rendez-bar were picks one off for six when we lose and the next year we play Carolina at home in the championship game Donovan gets her he punctures a rib like in the first quarter Quaid hammer comes and we lose to Carolina so the next year, you know, we signed T.O. We signed Javon Kurs, and we go to Super Bowl, we lose in the Super Bowl. And then the next year coming back, you know, after losing, there was an issue with T.O.

You know, you probably heard about it. You heard some said- Yeah, heard some said- And it was awful that year, you know. We end up five and 11 and just bad year. Donovan got her, Tio suspended. And so Andy basically says, hey, listen, everyone's tired. Everyone's freaking exhausted.

Let's take two weeks and we'll reconvene. We'll have plenty of time to talk about the team. The office seems a little longer than it is now. At the time I was traveling a little bit on the road. And I was like, I'm gonna go south Florida and go to Miami for a couple of days and get some sun on the road. And I was like, all right, I'm gonna go South Florida and go to Miami for a couple of days and get some sun on my face and I get upgraded. So I'm like, man, maybe things are turning a little bit.

And so I get on the plane and the pilot comes on, he's like, we're just waiting for one passenger and then we'll be on our way to Miami. And I realized that the seat in front of me is open, so the passenger we're probably waiting for is the person that's gonna sit in front of me. And as they're about to close the doors, T.O. walks on the plane. Oh my god. And so T.O. walks over.

He looks at me. I'm kind of in the middle of that. Like T.O. went that, which is a whole different story for a different day, great story. And he kind of looks at me, nods his head. He takes his seat and he jacks it into my lap for the two or two and a half hours and he gets up to the seat. I was like, have a good trip by Anthony.

And he was like, fuck you. You know what I was like? Okay, so it's not all gonna be champion chip games and super balls. And I think that was my first moment where I realized, you know, like what we had done was unusual and it was hard to get to. And great player, great player,

but it was definitely welcome to the NFL. It's not going to be so easy. And then, you know, I got welcomed again because I think for all of us, Andy was like, he was like family, you know, and we were also close to him and we took those relationships for granted. And then when Chip came in, like, I didn't really think about how long those had taken to develop and how I took that for granted. And obviously didn't have that relationship with him. And so, you know, for me, after we go 10 and 6 and 10 and 6, and I always thought, hey, you know, not that that's the standard, but not terrible, you know.

And I basically lost my job from that. And so it was like, you know, there's probably more to it than just that. And I think being vulnerable in the NFL is a good thing. I think the fact that I feel like the relationships that we have, I think that's one of the best things in part this job. Obviously winning, but it's like, yeah, like people say to me, like you probably keep guys a little too long. And it's like, if that's the worst thing that I'm doing,

I'll be right with that. Definitely not the worst thing I'm doing. I gotta ask this because you brought it up. You asked me earlier, you know, the second, to losing this last Super Bowl, was that any less because we won the previous Super Bowl. Do you think you would appreciate your first Super Bowl as much as you do without going through what you went through in 2013?

No. No. Yeah. No, I guess I've been in 2014. I also think that, I also think winning the Super Bowl made me better. Yeah. And I think because it made me realize

that just having good seasons wasn't really what I was trying to do. And I think sometimes again, this business, and you go, all right, we went 12 and 4 and we want to play off game. Good year. Good year. All right, I can live with it. And then you see that and you see the standard that that sets and you see the feeling

that that is. And even when we won the championship game this year, like being on the podium and holding a trophy and doing it with people you care about, year, like being on the podium and holding a trophy and doing it with people you care about, like, I feel like the only two times I've ever got an emotional about football was the minute we won the Super Bowl. And this year coming in on Tuesday.

Not as happy as going on the truth of the world. No, I know, and I, but sometimes I feel like I feel lucky that we even have that feeling, that we even have that emotion. I agree, 100%. And yeah, I think the highs don't mean anything without the lows, and it's a weird dichotomy, but like the, that's one of the reasons I asked about,

you know, did the truth or mean more after having struggled or haven't been pretty much lost your job? Because I feel like it meant more to me having come in off of 2016 and the year I had then to not only have a good year myself, but for our entire team to rebound like that. That's just kind of the weird way it works. I'm appreciating the feelings.

I almost feel like the football gods too, they like cause you pain, a men's pain before you can have something great You can't have the the luxuries of greatness without having that like it's almost like did Did I really think the football gods were gonna give us two in five years like was that was a Night Eve and I think about coach read it took them 25 years to get the second one I'm about and everything that he went through to do that. And it's like, but I'll tell you what, I'll never, I went back on that field. And I don't know, you did it too.

I slipped. No, I did not fall. Did you share a fall? I'm talking about the field. I'm just joking. Just joking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shoot!

Whatever. But, you know, like, I don't like it because I wish we were one more than anything, but I kind of like the pain a little bit. Yeah, you learned to I don't know you learn to what's the people? What's the name for the word that people like pain doms one of those people? Yeah, he's a mask. See every other. He's like I want to be punchin face He's like won't be punches the face. I'm gonna punch someone in the face

I was like either way. I don't know that I'm the best guy for that. You know, that was like, in a moment this year where, you know, someone on our team was getting in a fight and I tried to get in there. And like, I realized like, Let's get your way from this. Let's, let's somebody else break this up. Maybe I'm not as tough as I think I am. I'm gonna run from here. Oh my gosh.

I can't thank you enough for coming on. It's been an unbelievable pleasure to be in Philadelphia my entire career with you and go through that journey. So thanks for coming out of the talk. Don't, don't, don't, don't make it a must. All right, all right. We got a lot more to go.

We got a lot more to go. And you know, I think that the amazing thing about you and I think we've talked about this, you can pick any industry you want and you would have been successful because of who you are. And when I think about our players and think about guys like that,

that's unbelievable because those are people to me that transcend freaking football. It's just people who have unbelievable qualities as humans, right? That they can be successful and they just freaking picked football We got a lot of those guys and you lead the way without my mind. We do. Hey, thank you so much. I appreciate it We have to do like a more like authentic

I know that is terrible Welcome to the new heights post interview interview brought to you by accelerator active energy drink So Jason, why did you even agree to have this interview? This is the great thing about interviews. This is the great thing about interviews. You talk to win the interview. Hello? You talk to win the interview.

You'll just talk to talk. How can you be the two shoe balls with the guy? You talk to win the interview. You start telling me it doesn't matter then retire. Get out. Cause it does matter. That's whole conversation bothers me.

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That's, I mean, that's. Dude, not only to come back, he came back for twice as long. He came back excited. Um, yeah, now I was surprised at, um, yeah, I don't know. I feel like I just, I appreciate when everybody like is all in on team city and he feels that sense of urgency from the Philadelphia fan base to make shit shake. You know what I mean? And that's how you know he's invested, man.

I think that Philadelphia is a unique place to play. The fans are going to let you know how you're doing or what they think you're doing. And how he and I have witnessed that firsthand. And I do think it's impacted the way that all of us approach business. And it affects the sense of urgency in the building. And I think that how we did a great job of emphasizing that in this interview. We talked about my scotter report, head me in the background, which little upset they had me in the fourth round and they picked me in the sixth round, but you know, I get it Really don't but Sounds good the fact that he thought that you might fight the whole team who was so

On point oh my gosh, yes, what do you mean anybody anybody that's been on a team with you? as felt has felt the competitiveness and the fact that you always take it right there to like wanting to fight somebody. Am I bad teammate? I want your honest say that I've never I've never I've never honest opinion bad teammate. No. Bad teammate. No. Loose cannon. 100%. One thousand percent. But for the most part, it's usually it's warranted. You know what I mean? It has some meaning behind it. I don't know that it's always warranted, but there is always.

Not always. Not always. But there's there's there's always just that little bit of I mean he's got he's kind of got a point. You know, and I think that's fair. I think it's fair game. And I think it's fair game because there's times that I do that. And it's a, I don't know, who do you think we got that from? You think we got that from mom or dad? Come on now. We got that from dad. What did you talk about?

I think we honestly, yeah, we wear our hard on our sleeves, man. You know, we don't hide things and at times that comes out in unproductive emotions, but I think it's good. I think it's good to let things out even though sometimes people hate you and think you're an asshole. I think it's better to do that than to harbor things inside and to not talk to your teammates. I'm with that. I'm with that. Not perfect by any means, but, you I don't know. It's worked for us so far. That the T.O. story was off the chain. It was. It was. Alrighty, that wraps it up. That's it for this episode of New Heights. Thank you to Howie Roseman for coming on and giving us a great interview. And also make sure you're subscribed on YouTube so you can watch new videos as they go.

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