New Heights with Jason and Travis Kelce - Jason’s Coming Back, Rodgers Decision & Nick Sirianni | New Heights | Ep 31

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Starting point is 00:01:25 New Heights show with 1s. That's at New Heights show with 1s Jason Tell me where we got coming up kind of credible show Trave as we all know free agency is up and running Well, not technically it will be by tomorrow when deals start to become official right now We're still in the tampering period. And yeah, it's pretty crazy. Deals are happening left and right. We're trying to do this lead in to the Nick Seriani episode we got launching right now. Nick Seriani?

Starting point is 00:01:54 Yeah, that's right. They go to the field of eagles. Head coach of the field of eagles. We talked to them. We left the house, we sat down in Indianapolis at the combine and we talked to Nick Sireonian That's coming to you in this episode. Oh, man. First we're gonna get to all the news that's happening around the league Lots of guys lots of big names signing friends of ours going

Starting point is 00:02:15 New friends coming And I mean, I guess we got to talk about me to sit and play another year You are you you're playing Yeah, when did you? So anyways, we're going to touch on all that. So I hope you guys are in store for an outstanding episode. We're looking forward to giving it to you. And as always, thanks for supporting. But first, as always, new news, new news coming at you. We are back to top five in sports podcast on Apple's Spotify. It's good to be back. It's good to be back. And the 92% is a night this point. It's fun to be back

Starting point is 00:02:54 out here doing these podcasts. It's fun to keep talking with my brother. And Travis, you want to hit them up with the new merch? New merch, baby. We got some new merch. We talked to you guys last week about the homage launching uh stamp of the week and no dumb questions I have those shirts in hand as we speak ooo that's a nice blue it this is like almost like a Seattle blue and green right here who I like that I like that that's the stamp right there if I've ever seen it then we got a little no dumb questions just dumb people. Just dumb people. You already know. Give me that. I know, right? I feel I feel real done right now.

Starting point is 00:03:37 Take my money. Yeah, please visit homage.com slash new heist to check those out. And all the other fun shirts that hom much is brought to life, man. I know my favorite's still that big Yeti, man. Oh, that big Yeti. How's that big Yeti? You had to wanna see the Yeti. It has come to our attention that we have some non-sanctioned merch out there

Starting point is 00:03:59 that we are not mad at. We're not mad at you guys are pretty clever. On our Reddit page, on the new Heist Reddit page, always with the opinion came to us with a t-shirt that says Jason in the streets and Travis in the sheets. Oh. Oh. All right now, all right now.

Starting point is 00:04:17 I think it's clear what the shirt means Travis in the sheets. I think that that's clear. You think that's clear? What I'm curious about is what is Jason in the, like what do they want me in the sheets. I think that that's clear. You think that's good. I'm curious about is what is Jason in the Like what do they want me in the street? What's with streets as we talk streets? Are we yeah? It's not good to be in the streets you can hit by a car Are we like? Man, this is a busy

Starting point is 00:04:38 You're too lazy to get too much awareness for that you get too much awareness for that Block parties bangers haven't had a block party forever. Man, that'd be a banger. I don't really like to leave my house. So I don't know if I'm going to catch me in the streets. That's what I'm saying. It might be the other way around. You got three baby girls. You got kids. You be in them sheets. I do. You be in them sheets. I think this is like more of like a desirable thing. I think that that's what the shirt is going at. Like they want to see you in the in the streets more. I really just think that they needed to put me what the shirt is going at. Like they wanna see you in the streets more? I really just think that they needed to put me in the shirt

Starting point is 00:05:08 and they figured out a rhyme. And they're just, it's a shirt about having Travis in the sheets, that's what shirts are all. It's not even, and then you slap a new high-school logo on it. And, you know. The position tight end, man. It's all fitting. But I'm out here in the streets now.

Starting point is 00:05:25 I'm out in the streets. You're in the streets, Andy. I'm out side. I'll tell you what, it better be like a cold, if I'm gonna be in the sheets, it better be like the room temperature gotta be like 55, if I'm being in some sheets, because I'm gonna get way too hot,

Starting point is 00:05:41 and then that's just not gonna be a situation. Anybody wants to be a part of? Yeah. Nobody wants to be too hot. Just sweaty. Sweaty Eddie comes out. You were you were you said the tempo on 50. Where are you? You sent the tempo.

Starting point is 00:05:52 Where you in my house? I don't know. I said that. What do you said? I do say that. Yeah, kids. So you can, I guess. I know.

Starting point is 00:05:58 I unfortunately, Kali doesn't. She thinks that kids need to be like warm or something like that. I don't think that's true. But I would like to be a big. It'd be like warm or something like that. I don't think that's true But I Think it'd be a breezy 65 all day. That's where the Breezy 65 nice windows open 65 Probably terrible energy Jason and the it's really should be Travis in the streets Travis in the sheets

Starting point is 00:06:23 Jason and the seats because I'm sitting and I watch a TV. That's pretty good. Whatever. Yeah. Well, thank you to everybody, all the 92% is on our Reddit page and some of the non-sanctioned merch that we appreciate. So keep coming up with the clever stuff and I'm sure our team won't tell you you can't do that. Yeah. Hey. We're not a big season to sis crew.

Starting point is 00:06:48 You know, we encourage creativity. We encourage artists and speaking of creativity, we got a fan mention of the week right now. A fan comment of the week, awesome comment on the YouTube video from earlier this week from the Daniel Jeremiah episode. This one is coming at you from Sarah Kaplan who said, Jason, can you please sort NFL players into Hogwarts houses? And I love this.

Starting point is 00:07:10 And I think we're gonna do it right now. Travel, are you aware, can you name the different Hogwarts houses? Um, yeah, one is a- Don't read it, don't read it, pick your eyes up. One is- Do not read it.

Starting point is 00:07:23 Do not read it. Is Hogwarts another house? I thought Hogwarts was a house. Hogwarts is the school. Oh, well, there you go. That's good. That's a good starting point. So then which house is Harry Potter in?

Starting point is 00:07:37 Harry Potter's in the magic house. He's got the wand that he does the magic. Oh gosh this is good. How far off am I? You're not even in the ballpark, but you're in the school. What? You're in the school. So what school does he go to?

Starting point is 00:07:55 He goes to Hogwarts. But remember, you remember? Yeah, you know how at Cleveland Heights, they had that small schools initiative. Small schools. And there were small schools within the big school. That's kind of what Hogwarts is. There's four different houses that are within Hogwarts.

Starting point is 00:08:10 You have Gryffindor, you have Hufflepuff, you have Ravenclaw, and you have Slytherin, okay? And I don't know how the actual, like, determination of which house you get into goes. But to me, it gets down to Gryffindor is like good people with ambition, like good people that are trying to fight for goodness. Then you have Slytherin, which is bad people with ambition.

Starting point is 00:08:41 Which is like, you know, it's bad people that are excited about being bad. And then you got Ravenclaw, which is really smart people. That's the AP class, AP house. And then you got Hufflepuff, which I think that's just all the leftover kids go to Hufflepuff. So all the misfits, all the misfits. I think it's just people with no ambition to go to Hufflepuff. That's how I do it.

Starting point is 00:09:05 So we got. Yeah. Just how he's kicking it. Yeah, I mean, well, they're good people, but they're, they're Hufflepuffs. This is a, this segment just got so much fucking fun. All right. So do you want to go down to list the players?

Starting point is 00:09:17 Just start throwing names at me. Let's see how it happens. All right. Jason Kelsey. Where's Jason Kelsey? I mean, I'm going to put myself in Gryffindor. Come on baby. What, you can't just put yourself in the best house.

Starting point is 00:09:30 Is that where Harry was? Harry, Ron, Hermione, Oliver. Do I get in Gryffindor? I'd put you in Gryffindor. You're in Gryffindor for sure. I feel like if you're not in Gryffindor, you kind of... Ravenclaw, I mean, Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff are very respectable houses, but Gryff Griffin door is like yeah Jalen Hertz Griffin door we

Starting point is 00:09:49 can't put everyone in Griffin door Jason I mean if you're gonna throw Jalen Hertz at me I'm putting him in Griffin door all right um Chris long Chris long Griffin door everybody's a Griffin door you ask me all my friend. I'll players all right Who do who doesn't Jason know? Kirk cousins Kirk cousins Ravenclaw Ravenclaw Ravenclaw. Okay. All right. All right. What about a patty my homes

Starting point is 00:10:20 Patty my homes man. I want to throw him in slithering because he he just whooped or asked in the Super Bowl. But I gotta say I do think Paddy Mahomes is a Gryffindor guy. He doesn't get excited about, yeah. I think he's a good guy with ambitions, so I'm going Gryffindor. All right. Aaron Rodgers. Oh my gosh. Don't throw this out right now.

Starting point is 00:10:41 That's too Newsy. There's too much going on with Ever since he's got ever says he's got like the long hair though like the John Wick look It's kind of gave him a little cloud like he's kind of like the I mean like he's excited about I don't I don't want to come in the enemy I'm leaving air and off. I'm leaving. I'm deferring on air That's not a part of this segment. You have to say the house. Slytherin, he's in Slytherin. Wow, he said it!

Starting point is 00:11:09 Fucking goddammit. I don't even know what Slytherin is. All right. That's right. Since we're on the Slytherin train, what about Joey Burrow? Joey Burrow? Yeah. Man.

Starting point is 00:11:22 Do you know enough about him? Hi, you, I, yeah. I mean, I'm mean, I'm so he's a high old guy. It's kind of has this like, you know, very charismatic way to him. I mean, if you're asking quarterbacks, quarterbacks are going griffin door slither all day. And I'm going to put burrow and griffin door for you. He's probably in slitherin. To cheese fans, he's a slithering guy. You already know. A very respected. Very respected. You got a whole stadium named after you.

Starting point is 00:11:49 That's crazy man. Brandy Graham. Brandy Griffin or stop asking me my team. Brandy Graham is 1,000% slithering. No. Is that slithering? What? No.

Starting point is 00:12:02 How much shitty talks? All right, all right. What about Russell Wilson? Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson, man. He was in Gryffindor forever and then I think he's the Slytherin now. I think he's the Slytherin. Slytherin?

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Starting point is 00:12:45 It doesn't make you a bad person, but it's a slither and move. It's not a Gryffindor. Your quarterback, you either Gryffindor or Slitherin. You put Kirk Cousins in Ravenclaw. He's an outlier. Outlier? Yeah. Ask me a coach.

Starting point is 00:12:59 Oh, Bill Bellichek. Oh, Slitherin all day. Slitherin? Sllytherin all day. Slytherin? Slytherin all day. Super talented, very intelligent, but like Slytherin. What about Derek the King Henry? Derek Henry? Yes.

Starting point is 00:13:19 Man, that's a Gryffindor guy right there. Gryffindor right, but he's kinda got that. He's got that. I'm going Gryffindor and right there. The Gryffindor right, but he's kind of got that. He's got that. I'm going Gryffindor and Derek Kent. All right, all right. It's in Dominica Sue. Oh, Slytherin. I just played with him.

Starting point is 00:13:31 Great guy. Great guy, but he's. Great guy. He's Slytherin. Slytherin. He's, he's, because you got good people within Slytherin, but there's like a certain mentality that Slytherin comes with. And it's like this like, it's a defensive mentality.

Starting point is 00:13:44 It's, it's, it's in the it's okay I'm enough you know dude that's you have that mentality I know I'm you want to be Slytherin I could definitely be Slytherin there's 100% if I wasn't so good I'd be in Slytherin I fit a lot of the qualities I'm a team guy well team guy Slytherin's team too death eaters are a big team what about a what about a guy like Tony Romo what was Tony Romo Slytherin's team too. Death Eaters are a big team. What about a, what about a guy like Tony Romo? What was Tony Romo? Slytherin. I mean anybody on the Cowboys are Slytherin.

Starting point is 00:14:09 If you play for the Eagles, if you play for the Cowboys, you're Slytherin. This is turned into just whoever's your like enemy is Slytherin. I mean, that's essentially what the book is. Yeah, all right. What about Jerry Jones? Shout out to Jerry Jones What about Jerry Jones? Shout out to Jerry Jones. So Jerry Jones, like he's he liked the

Starting point is 00:14:28 head of Slytherin. Who's the head of Slytherin? Lord, Tom Riddle. Tom Riddle's the head of Tom Riddle is Lord Voldemort, one in the same. Yeah, Jerry Jones is for sure. Slytherin, he's Lord Voldemort. He's probably got Horcrux's scattered all through the United States, Jason Garrett being one of them. I don't even know what a Horcrux is. Am I speaking like a different language to you right now?

Starting point is 00:14:54 Do you even understand this? Dude, all this is way over my head. What the Horcrux? Well, Horcrux is when somebody separates their soul and they put their soul into another object or person. You see what I'm saying? You see where we're going in this? It makes sense now, right? That is fucking hilarious. I'll toggle my way up in my head do that is that's pretty fucking good right there. I Think that's enough. I think we've covered a good amount of what Sarah was kind of asking us to do

Starting point is 00:15:36 If you guys have any other People to add to certain houses or if you disagree or agree with me You know, I'd love to hear it. Anything Harry Potter universe. So yeah, man, only thing I know about Harry Potter is that Disney has a really good roller coaster. Yeah, it's not even in Disney. Really good. Harry Potter is part of Universal Studios.

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Starting point is 00:18:23 And I think you owe it to your team. I think you owe it to your teammates to make this decision right here, right now, so that they know what they have to do in free agency. Coming up. What are you talking about? What do you mean? I have to tell what about free agency?

Starting point is 00:18:40 You have to break the news here on new heights. Travis, I announced I was playing another year yesterday. What are you talking about? What? You're playing This is the biggest news of the week who cares about Aaron Rodgers when you got Jason Kelsey coming back for another year Woo Did you this is I you still put your own Saturday night? I'm so fucking pumped. I am so pumped. Professional actor right now?

Starting point is 00:19:10 All right, you called my bluff. Everybody knows you're coming back. You tweeted out, I have put much thought into whether it makes sense to play another season after talking it over with my wife and many other friends and family you didn't ask me what I thought, but I'll keep going.

Starting point is 00:19:25 I have decided to return for another year. Thank you to all my supporters and detractors. That was a long one. I didn't ever even heard of that. For fueling me. I ain't fucking done yet. With an exclamation point. I love it, man.

Starting point is 00:19:43 You fired up the entire football world. ESPN was tweeting it and a fell was tweeting it. Everybody was on top of it, man. Biggest news of the world. He's a congrats, brother. What a mega splash. What a mega cannonball splash. You're a more man. We can't open our guy. You're a more man. I had a good can opener back in the four sales part or cane part. Yeah, it's about to come over for a still come over. Right. I didn't retire again. That's pretty much the news. It's I'm still playing football. I wish it wasn't news to be honest with you. It's

Starting point is 00:20:15 just something that like I really think I go back and forth on and I think it's important to actually think about this seriously because as you know, Travis a lot that goes into playing a season. It's not just the physical parts, the mental part. It's everything that it encumbers. And you know, I try to think about it as hard as I can. Obviously playing in the Super Bowl, you know, it's a little bit less time to think about it than I normally have. But it was important to make a decision before free agency started or at least let the Eagles before free agency started.

Starting point is 00:20:46 No, you know, that I was, I was confident in coming back another year. You know, obviously there's, there's money to be spent. There's deals to be made. And I want to make sure that Philadelphia has, you know, a full, uh, I want to make sure that they're, um, in the best position possible. Because obviously I'm coming back because I want to win Obviously I'm coming back because Jalen Hertz is there We have a lot of good people around the building and I feel really confident in our coaches and teams So the fun time to be an eagle man. You hear that?

Starting point is 00:21:16 Yes, gentlemen selflessness. He wants to make sure that the Eagles have the best opportunity but also I want to make that bread. You got to make that bread. And the bread's good. I'm not going to lie, the bread's good, but I got a lot of bread already in the basket, you know? This is, this is like, you know, yeah,

Starting point is 00:21:34 this is like unlimited bread at this point, like unlimited bread sticks over it. Mr. Unlimited. I shouldn't say that. That's a good way to go broke, just thinking of your money like that. Listen, I think after thinking about a lot with Kylie, the biggest thing, and I think she said it really well. If you're still thinking about this and you're going back and forth and you're wondering,

Starting point is 00:21:55 if you have any doubt that you're going to want that you're going to regret playing, you should keep playing because clearly that's what I want to do. My body's banged up from the season, I just got done with a really long one. So right now it's hard to imagine doing it again. Once a full off season gets underway, once I have a chance to recover and work myself back up to be in the best shape possible,

Starting point is 00:22:20 I think it became clear when she kinda said that. She was like, you know what, if you're still doubting yourself and going back and forth this long, you still want to play. Yeah, Kai, wait a bring him back, Kai. Oh, and that's some good life advice right there. If you're joking me. Yeah, that's the thing you want to do is, yeah.

Starting point is 00:22:38 Howard mud gave me really good advice, which is essentially the same thing, just kind of summarize way different, which is, when in doubt, don't. I was like, how would I know? I have doubt about a lot of things. Like, when do I, what do I, which, like, how do I look at the thing?

Starting point is 00:22:56 But that's why it's a great saying, because it works no matter how you look at it. What a guy, man. What a guy. Well, I know we're all pumped. And yeah, I know we're all pumped to see you come back, brother. Let's jump into some more stuff. Who did you tell?

Starting point is 00:23:14 Actually, who did you, did you like call up someone from the Eagles or did everybody just find out via Twitter? So, contacted my agent, JB, Jason Bernstein. And I think him and how he had been in context and going back and forth, and they had talked already that day, and I was like, well, I think, I feel confident in saying that I'm going to come back for another year at this point, and then talk to how I soon there, right after that, Him and JB talked and you know, that's kind of how it happens. Once it's mutually you know wanted right and the Eagles have been very upfront

Starting point is 00:23:55 saying they want to be back the whole time. So talk to Howie, talk to Nick, you know kind of make the calls. Everybody's excited to come back and kind of go from there. Well we know the best center in the league is going back to the Philadelphia Eagles. I love you, Creed. I love you, Creed. I love you, Creed. All right, well, then we'll get another clean cut at it. Well we know that the best center in the NFC is going back to the Eagles, but the Eagles

Starting point is 00:24:24 did lose some key pieces to the defense so far. Added a few guys, added a few guys as well as lost a few guys, but, um, Javon Hargrave, four years, 84 mil, he was an absolute beast for you guys last year. Yeah. And he got paid. Got paid a lot of money. He deserves it. Happy former man, Grave Digger. Uh, Javon's one of deserves it. Happy before happy former man, grave digger.

Starting point is 00:24:46 Javon's one of the hardest guys I ever had to block, especially from a past blocking standpoint. This is a huge acquisition by the 49ers. Him, arm stood. I mean, they got they are stacked all over defense. You know, it was already a tough game against them last year and Javon's not going to make it any easier. So that's a tough one because obviously, you know, that's, you know, the 49ers, um, I think rival of ours right now, big games, better again. I don't know how they did.

Starting point is 00:25:16 And there's other ones they've made. Yeah. They're not slowing down. So they are not. Javon's going to help them out big time. So you guys lost a grass job. Javon interior D help him out big time. So. You lights the lost. Congrats, Javon. Interior D line and then interior second level, TJ Edwards linebacker for you guys is on a three year deal with the Bears. Make some mula over there. He's staying in the, staying in the NFC too.

Starting point is 00:25:36 Happy for TJ. TJ's been a really big part. He had a great year last year and he's been a guy that you've seen get better every single year. You've seen that improvement. He's a smart player last year and he's been a guy that you've seen get better every single year. You've seen that improvement. He's a smart player. He's instinctive.

Starting point is 00:25:48 I think that he was a guy that, you know, you know, when you're like playing certain guys early in the career and you can just tell that they get it, like they react to things well. They back to the boxer. He has great feel for the game of football. And I think he's obviously would have loved to have him back in Philadelphia, but TJ's going to do great over there in Chicago. Big deal for him. And this is a guy that, I mean, you love when guys come where he's come from, make a name for themselves, and get the big payday.

Starting point is 00:26:23 This is the best part of free agency for me. As watching guys that earn their money went out there, took the licks, you know, got better, made a name for themselves and now they're going to have a life changing amount of money throwing at them. So yeah, really, really happy for TJ Edwards. Set out to TJ, Eagles bringing back branding Graham though for for another year You and BG guys are like you guys are like the The two staples right now, man. Yeah, we'll get it. The fillies pride and joy man. There's been you know obviously me and BG Lane Johnson and there's still one guy out there big flit your cocks I'm all fletch

Starting point is 00:27:04 Well, I I never tell anybody to do with their money. But obviously, you know, all four of us from this year play together for over a decade in Philadelphia. So it's rare to play with that, many guys for that long. That means you got to be doing something right. If you're going to last that long. And... in branded in the leader he's the most tenured guy not only in the eagles but in all the field of the sports uh... he's going on his fourteen season with the field of eagles damn i did not know that well this year i mean knock on wood if he if he starts

Starting point is 00:27:40 eight games or something like that maybe less maybe six uh... he'll have the all-time record for most games played by Philadelphia Eagle. He'll pass David Acres. Let's go, Doc. I know. That's pretty, that's pretty freaking cool to have on the resume, man. The specific one team, especially one team. And he's just a great, he's a great teammate. You know, obviously, Gryffindor guy, you know, just a really, really good dude.

Starting point is 00:28:03 I feel, I feel like an nerd just understanding what you're saying. Listen, there's nothing wrong with being a nerd. Are you not? I'm a nerd about football for sure. Are you nerd of phobic? What do you don't like nerds? No, I love being a nerd. That's why you see it's making me smile.

Starting point is 00:28:18 Yes. Brandon tweeted out, it wasn't about the money. I haven't officially signed yet, but it's pretty much done. I'm coming back. It wasn't about the money. I haven't officially signed yet, but it's pretty much done I'm coming back. It wasn't about the money. I love Philly. I don't want to miss a championship with Jalen Jalen is the man Nothing about Jason though. Nothing about Jason here. I mean let's be honest. Yeah, I know he cares about you, right? He likes you know, I mean listen me and BG got a lot of love for each other But yeah, I ain't gonna win this a champion. Jim Jaylin's gonna be up there. It's, yeah.

Starting point is 00:28:47 Maybe I'm Hufflepuff. Maybe that's why I'm Hufflepuff. I don't even fucking know. Eagles resigning running back, Boston. Scott to a one year deal. Big deal for us, Boston's a big, I mean, dude. Like, he's kind of like that utility and I for us. And he's just whenever he gets an opportunity he he finds a

Starting point is 00:29:06 way to make the most of it not the tallest guy but he's gonna go in there he's gonna be accountable he's gonna do everything he can and he just makes plays especially the giant killer boss the sky is back in the building boss is one of those guys man you just get him in space with one-on-one with a guy he's gonna find a way to make that first guy miss and And that's such a key part of being a running back is being able to make that one guy miss. If you can do that, I mean, you are gonna be a freaking star.

Starting point is 00:29:32 Or you're definitely gonna keep getting contracts in the NFL. We can block most of them. He's gonna make one guy miss. Hey, how about this breaking news? The Eagles are at work again. We have officially resigned James Bradbury. Ah! Bradbury!

Starting point is 00:29:49 Ju-ju Smith Schuster's favorite guy. We've resigned him three-year deal worth 38 million with upside to get the 44 20 million guaranteed. That's how I mean. That's a half speed number bud. Yeah, it's a half-dehumber. Shout out to Bradbury. Man, I thought he was a great great player when we played him. Yeah, it's a hefty hammer. Shout out to Bradbury, man. I thought he was a great player when we played him. Yeah, I'm excited about it. Not only is he a good player, but just a great teammate. Good dude all around. Had a great year for us.

Starting point is 00:30:13 Was a big reason why we had so much success on defense. Yeah. So yeah, I'm big on smart football players, man. You could tell he's a physical specimen too. Like he's a big corner. Long arms, fast dude. But yeah, I'm getting on the spot. The position on the field.

Starting point is 00:30:31 You got to be a smart football player out there. And he's got full package cornerback in the league man. So happy for you guys defensively keeping, at least some of your guys. Yeah man, really happy for James. He's earned every penny of that He's played it. So yeah awesome for the Eagles. Where'd he go? Howie? There we go howie This guys guys make it moves man. It's guys making moves get the tequila ready tequila's coming

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Starting point is 00:32:08 Because I'm butch-ing it. All traps. All traps. Oh, okay. Big news in Kansas City, we just signed left tackle, Joanne Taylor. Big day. So a four year, $80 million deal. Big money coming in to protect half of homes. Yeah. So a four year 80 million dollar deal big money Coming into protect at home's

Starting point is 00:32:26 Yeah, wait till you get the big guy in the building Yeah, I mean he was just he was a stud in In Jacksonville I can't say he wasn't he was actually I was already good out there in KC And this is a this is a big move. Oh my gosh big move, baby Get him in the building get Get him in the building. Get him situated. Uh, a giant just sitting the third round pick to Las Vegas for Darren Waller.

Starting point is 00:32:52 Do you want to street? Do you want to the giant style? That's a big move. Ah, Darren Waller's officially in Slytherin. He just, uh, he was, he was already with the Raiders, so he might have been there.

Starting point is 00:33:06 He was in Slytherin for you. Yeah, he's just a Slytherin guy. He's, I'm gonna say he's a Gryffindor man. That guy, he's, he's a dog. He's got great ambition. Good person. Good soul. Um, yeah, that's wild. Vegas to New York. I wasn't expecting that, especially, um, Vegas to New York. I wasn't expecting that especially Yeah, no, I'm trying to think they have a they have a young tight end out there in Belinger That's that'll be an interesting duo. They got it's pretty cool 12 It's always it's always a mismatch

Starting point is 00:33:39 12 personal I think it's it's it's an interesting, you know, do you go base? Do you go nickel? You know, who you match in up on the, especially of a receiver like Darren Waller or like Travis Kelsey, where it's like, you want to play nickel, but if you put nickel out there, it might be a little bit hard to stop the run. If you got a good run game, that's where the 12 personnel is the best. You can run well out of 12 personnel because everything's based off of the run, you know what I mean? I can flank. When you're worried about the run, when you're

Starting point is 00:34:10 worried about the run, I can flank. That's how you do it. That's what play action is. It's flanking. The Raiders, this is arguably the most controversial addition in the entire free agency. Raiders signed wide receiver Jacobi Myers to us three-year deal. What? Patriot Roulette. Was he a part of that? Was he a part of that? He's the one that threw a dart right to Chandler Jones' chest. He was the second lateral. He was the second lateral.

Starting point is 00:34:38 Wow! This is crazy. Some raiders, the raiders are signing. The guy that won him the game. The guy who handed in the game. This is nuts to a three year 33. So he's getting 11 a year. Get an 11 year to the team he gave the game. Do you think this was agreed to before that game? This is crazy. You think, McDaniel just went up to him?

Starting point is 00:35:06 It's like Jacobi. I was signing to do a three year deal. If you hand this one to us, you think it was just like, how can I make this happen? Lateral it to me. I'll be right behind you. I know we just called this QB draw. To go over time.

Starting point is 00:35:22 I got it. I got it. Chandler. Hey, man. Well, I mean, it is crazy. It's a crazy coincidence at the very least. That's wild, man. That's wild. More power to them though. Yeah. 21 mil guaranteed. That's a lot. It's a lot of guaranteed money out there and allow the Vegas Nevada. That is. So go ahead and enjoy it, Jacobi. You can go quick and lost Vegas Nevada too. Or you could double it. Yeah, that's how it goes quick, thinking like that.

Starting point is 00:35:53 Mm, yeah. You can be stupid. Just don't be real stupid. You know what I mean? Like that's the deciding factors for me. I asked myself, is this stupid? Majority of the shit I do is stupid, but you can't be real stupid.

Starting point is 00:36:05 As soon as you're real stupid, that's just not be stupid. What's the fun in that? It's no fun in not being stupid. That's what Stevie Bogas is. That was the best advice I ever got from Stevie Bogas, baby. Coach Bogas are my student. You can be stupid. Just don't be real stupid.

Starting point is 00:36:24 Real stupid. That's when you go to jail Yeah, right now. What's what's regular stupid? Regular stupid going to jail. What's regular? Everyone needs to play poop dollar. We got it from workaholics. Yeah, we play in that of Woody's poop Yancey he's the big. He's signing up the Yancy. That was so funny.

Starting point is 00:36:48 Oh, gosh. We got to bring that back. Pooh dollar was a, I was see, that's stupid. You can be stupid. Just don't be real stupid. That is stupid. For those of you that don't know what poopdala is, I'm pretty sure we've got a sprain.

Starting point is 00:37:07 I think we'd need to explain it. Because poopdala is when, we did, we did just like, if we found like dog poop on the sidewalk, right? Like I don't remember actually, yeah, I don't remember actually. I don't think you use a piece of poop. Poo-ping, like yeah, you don't use hemipoos.

Starting point is 00:37:21 Maybe they did in workaholics, but yeah, we did it. We saw a turd on the sidewalk, took a, I think we did more than a $1 dollar, but I think use hemiput. Maybe they did in workaholics, but yeah, we didn't. We saw a turd on the sidewalk. Took a, I think we did more than a $1 dollar bill. I think it was like a $5 bill, so we made it like, we're like, oh shit, $5. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:37:33 You sandwich the poop in the dollar bill, or the $5 bill in this case. And then you just leave it on the sidewalk and you just watch people pick it up. And it's, it's a lot of fun, especially if you're drinking beers at a college bar and sitting out on the porch. The anticipation, you've already...

Starting point is 00:37:49 The moment somebody picks it up, of course, everyone yells. Poo-dala! No! No! No! And as soon as the person realizes they pick up the money and there's poop in it, you hear a bunch of jamaques screaming poopdala

Starting point is 00:38:04 from the balcony and... The pooping and you hear a bunch of jimok screaming poopdala from the balcony and anticipation when you see somebody walking down the street they're like oh my god oh my god here comes here comes here comes here comes here comes here comes I mean poopdala I mean dude it's the equivalent of catching like a big Big bluefin tuna out on this big seas. I mean it's city fishing I mean it's got a it's city fishing. We have big old Yantzigates big six nine two hundred and seventy pound Center for the Cincinnati Bearcats. That's my guy, man. Yantz is the best played high school a you You ball with him was a absolute dog in the biggies.

Starting point is 00:38:45 Ain't nothing wrong with being getting got on poop dollar. How are you supposed to know? You just see a five on the ground. Sure enough fish on. Oh nice. So as he getting back to free agency day one the biggest spenders so far in free agency are the Denver Broncos. Man, they are spending a lot of money these past two years in the off season. I think they were close. It was either them or Oakland. Oakland, it was either them or Vegas. It might have been the chargers too.

Starting point is 00:39:18 Chargers made some acquisitions. Anyways, Broncos are already at over 200 million. The bears are roughly around 120 million. The Falcons are up there over 100 million. And the Niners' Raiders and Chiefs are all right around 80 to 85 million dollars already on the first day. The Niners got a good team. Where they got all this money from?

Starting point is 00:39:43 Did they got young quarterback, man? Young don't you haven't paid a quarterback yet You're gonna have some cap space. That's true. Chiefs. What about you guys you guys spending 80 million dollars You don't got a young quarterback. You got one of the highest paid quarterbacks. Yeah, we unfortunately we would let a few guys slip out and shout out to my dog Frank Clark. So this is total money. Mm-hmm This is the biggest spender so far. That's like the whole contract? Yeah, all the contracts. Yeah, but they didn't spend 80 million. You guys are spending, it's a 20 per year deal.

Starting point is 00:40:12 Yeah, it's just what we get, what we earn. They're just adding up, doesn't even matter up in the number of years. All the years. Yeah. That's a dumb metric. I'm over it. Ha ha ha.

Starting point is 00:40:21 So let's talk some, let's talk some air and riders because it's, it's so interesting and so fun to talk about. We're recording this on a Tuesday and free agency does start on Wednesday so we could be talking to you about something that's already happened that we don't know about. What we do know is that Aaron Rogers has provided the New York Jets with a list of free asians that he would like them to target and acquire. It's also known as a list of demands. He's provided the New York Jets with a list of demands.

Starting point is 00:40:54 We're full below in hostage situation at this point. Hosted situation. I am the captain now. I need a briefcase with $300 million. With Odell Beckham in the briefcase. I mean, I get it. Listen, the Jets are stacked on defense. Their head coach is a defensive coach.

Starting point is 00:41:15 Yeah. A hero coming over there. It could be a match made in heaven. He just wants to make sure they got a target that he feels comfortable with. Yeah, they're already. They got a bunch of young guys that they can play some ball now. Well, apparently they can't play ball good enough because Aaron saying he wants one of these

Starting point is 00:41:30 guys. Aaron Rogers has provided the New York Jets with a wish list of free agents who would like them to target and acquire. Per sources include Randall Cobb, Alan Lizard, Mercedes Lewis and Odo Beckham Jr. Down here. The Jets have met the wishless. They've met it. They have officially signed free agent,

Starting point is 00:41:49 why receiver Allen Lazar to a four year, $44 million deal with 22 million guaranteed. So they're breaking the bank. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if they folded or if they just like answered the bell, but the jets are all in on the Rogers deal We got a hostage situation. They're trying to keep they're trying to keep all the hostages alive Yeah, hostage situation you give us one we give you one you give us one and also come to play our quarterback

Starting point is 00:42:15 That's kind of where we're at be interested to see how that plays out So is so they got yes Randall Cobb and Mercedes Lewis both have been in Green Bay with Aaron and Alan Lazard as well And then the the one that was just interesting was Odell Beckham Jr He's like, yeah, I want to know I want to know like this Who doesn't want to know or man? Hey, listen, he looked like a beast. He looks strong He does strong and I think he on purposely caught every single ball with one hand just to just to add some flair to it at least that's the only thing without a shirt on to make sure he showed off how suolice he's swollen he's been working he has been working he's got those sequan quads out too man

Starting point is 00:42:55 big man big man that's not right now yeah the the air and Rogers situation is still up in the air as of this moment so we're gonna run through every the Aaron Rogers situation is still up in the air as of this moment Uh, so we're gonna run through every Aaron Rogers situation that might happen just so we have uh Touched it by tomorrow because who knows what is gonna happen within the next hour. Here's the first bit of news Rogers goes to the jets Oh my god This is gay change He really left green bay

Starting point is 00:43:23 Joe Douglas pulls out the move of the century and lures Cranes, they say Alan Lazard to a big contract after Aaron clearly says sign Alan Lazard and All of a sudden he's in he's in That's pretty wild man. Honestly never thought I'd ever see Aaron leave the leave green bag I thought it was one of those just matches that just went on forever and never and ever It's hard to find that it's hard to find that it seems like all these guys play like at least one year someplace else almost It's crazy didn't Brett Farve didn't he go to the jets to

Starting point is 00:44:01 Brett Farve went to the jets Yeah, I don't know if anybody else with the jets but paid manning obviously went to the Broncos't he go to the Jets too? Brett Farve went to the Jets. Um, yeah, I don't know if anybody else went to the Jets, but Peyton Manning obviously went to the Broncos, Tom Brady, went to the Bucks. He might go to Miami. Who the hell knows what's going to happen with Tom Brady? Yeah, no, no, I'm saying this is crazy that a green bay legend gets traded to the Jets. It's crazy. Yeah, the Brady accessor to him goes to the exact same team. Yeah. The next bit of news that might happen with Aaron Rogers. This just in, Rodgers is decided to stay with the Packers. What? He stayed after all this. I never would have thought he was going to stay after all this.

Starting point is 00:44:38 After all this, I mean, there's this. There's so much conflict between them over the years. You would never expect them to still do it. It's hard this whole time when you've been in one place that long It's hard to pull that trigger like you know for as someone who just almost retired It you know when in doubt don't and he clearly had doubt so we stayed in Green Bay You know he must have been thinking long and hard in that cabin dude He just seems like one of those quarterbacks that just needs to go to a different place, but obviously he's happy where he is, man. What do you think that cabin smelled like

Starting point is 00:45:12 that he was staying in? That didn't have any electricity or running water or toilets? Oh man, that's a good question. I don't even know if you might have. Probably sage, probably sage. It had to have a mildewy, mildewy wood. You know like wood, that you don't, yeah.

Starting point is 00:45:30 Like whenever I'm in a cabin that like an outdoor like wooded structure, there's that like very, almost like dewy smell and it's just always there. And apparently it helps you decide where you wanna go in for agency. Okay. All right, next bit of news. This just in.

Starting point is 00:45:52 Hey, Rogers goes to another team, not the Jets. What? That's not. I thought it was either Green Bayer the Jets at this point. I'd never knew. I can't even get excited for that.'s who knew that my amy the dolphins What he went to the dolphins who knew that my amy Chicago Houston? I mean what other team can we pile on this

Starting point is 00:46:17 uh 49ers if he goes to the 49ers DC Washington He went to Washington Who knew who knew that all these teams were in on this Aaron Rogers deal. This is crazy, man. This just in Aaron Rogers decides to retire and start a podcast. Yeah, that's crazy. That's a genius move. Actually, this is the least crazy one. If we can create a podcast that's successful, imagine what Aaron Rodgers could do.

Starting point is 00:46:48 And he's probably gonna make a lot more money than we are. Does that mean? So, yeah. Aaron, please don't do that. I don't think he's gonna do this. I'll do this for free, brother. I thought Aaron does Aaron Rodgers Tuesdays

Starting point is 00:46:59 on Pat McAfee show. Does that mean he does? He does. He's not doing it. You think that's where he got the, he was like, yo, I'm liking this, I'm digging this. I'm having fun doing this Yeah, I think that's you know once you start doing something you like it and you're probably tuning in I'm gonna Toon in Aaron I'm freaking pumped about your new

Starting point is 00:47:17 Your new career. Let's go baby. All right last Aaron Rogers a potential headline that could launch between now and the tomorrow's episode launching is Rogers makes up his mind to come on the new heights number one sports podcast in the country and Give a Lebron James decision-like moment What going to Miami South Beach. I've taken my talent the South Beach Yeah, he's come on the show to announce that right now. I'll tell you what Packers fans, Packers fans don't do what Cleveland did because there's always a chance that he might come back. Yeah, speaking as someone who was in Cleveland when LeBron did go and make that decision, I would not condone that happening on New Heights. So we can just mix this.

Starting point is 00:48:03 I'm not going to participate in that type of decision. I still got I still got my original Brown jersey. Everybody set theirs on fire. I still got mine. I never had I had to Anderson bear asiao jersey and I lost you did have a 17 and V. It was a that was a sweet one to the orange one. Yeah. I had a little brown with you. I had blue. I had the blue blue and red calves jersey that was rockin when the browns are the first time around you know talking about I was like a darker blue With like the red like kind of like trim on the sides the wine red. Yeah, thank you the wine red. It's nice

Starting point is 00:48:36 I don't know what happened to it, but anyways. Yeah, those are all of the different scenarios. We think might happen Yeah before tomorrow all electric electric scenarios, all possible. Or none of them can happen. I mean, we could be in the exact same position we're in right now. I feel like once somebody starts meeting a hostage takers demands, you just keep asking for self. You keep, yeah, just keep going.

Starting point is 00:48:57 Oh, okay, hey, let's see what else we can ask for. So who knows, maybe, maybe, maybe Alan Mazar wasn't enough. We'll find out. Either way, I know this. I'm thoroughly excited to see what happens with this Aaron Rodgers situation, because the news of Baller. I mean, dude, he's one of the best of all time. Can't deny that. Whether he's in Green Bay, New York, someplace else, or retired, Aaron Rodgers is still Aaron Rodgers. So this is exciting stuff. 12 games. I know Jets Jake, the guy that runs our entire social platform is, I think he's just doing this over and over again on Twitter. Just refreshing. Just waiting to see what happens.

Starting point is 00:49:34 The uploads. Yeah. He's just refreshing, refreshing, refreshing, refreshing. Up. Just an out. Aaron Rodgers coming on the show tomorrow at 1 p.m. eastern standard time to think he announces that he's it's gonna be the pat back of the air and roger show i do well no no i think he's gonna announce new york jets on pat back and i think that's what he's going to the jets we already did this bit but i like your enthusiasm i was excited, man.

Starting point is 00:50:06 And it will be electric news if it happens. It will be. As is everything that comes out of the PMS show. All right. New segment, getting out of the house. Get your ass out the house. This show has always stressed the importance of leaving the house to meet people and do fun things in this week. Travis has got out the house He's headed to a little event. You might have heard of the Oscars ever heard about it as a big

Starting point is 00:50:35 Afterparty at the Oscars in Los Angeles. Yes, yes I was lucky enough to get the invite. I got the ticket and me and my two guys Aaron and Jerry Eans a a management We went up there and had a blast man got to meet some some folks out in Hollywood. New was crazy. Who'd you mean that? I got to start I got to start knowing who people are in Hollywood because every face was the most familiar face that you've ever seen. And you're like, oh my God, that's an actor. That's an actress. That's this. That's that. And I was clueless. It felt really bad. The ones that I did know though,

Starting point is 00:51:15 they started introducing me to a few people. The ones that I do remember saw D. Wade up there. I'd already met him, but it was cool to talk to him about some of the stuff he's getting into. What's he getting into? Still got it cool to talk to him about some of the stuff he's getting into. What's he getting into? Still got to check out your wine. He's got a wine. Do you guys get into wine? Yeah, he's got, well, he's been in wine for the past like five, five, seven years. Yeah, so I still got to check.

Starting point is 00:51:35 Where's that? I still got to try that out. Where's it made? I would assume, yeah, assume his Napa. I don't think, I don't think he's going overseas for it. I think he's keeping it right here in the States. You can make wine in the US outside of Napa Valley. Yeah, no, Seattle is a big, yeah. That whole west coast right there is big wine. Yeah. I don't know if you're making great wine in the Midwest, but...

Starting point is 00:51:56 Virginia, I suppose I think, is a hotbed of wine. So is Martha's... I mean, you can make wine anywhere. Yeah, so there was D Wade, um, who else, uh, Elizabeth Banks. She was absolutely awesome. She had, uh, she didn't have a, she had a sore, sore throat or some sort of, uh, horse throat or some, so she couldn't talk much, but, um, she was fun to be around. And she obviously doing cocaine bear coming out. I'm excited to see that. That, that story is absolutely insane and the fact

Starting point is 00:52:26 that they made a what is it like a comedy horror out of it that's I'm interested. I think it's a thriller I mean it's yeah let's let's see okay what can we do let's what's the most fear that's the animal that everyone is most afraid of being face-to- face with. Agri- Chris the bear. How can we make this a more terrifying bear? Let's give him cocaine. Ha ha ha. That boy's gonna be wired. You know this is based off of a semi-true story.

Starting point is 00:52:57 I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I didn't know that. Okay. Well, I'm just looking forward to the sequel. Yeah, cocaine bear was the sequel. I'm just looking forward to the sequel. Yeah, Cocaine Bear was the sequel. I'm just looking forward to the sequel, Meth Bear, which is- Meth Bear?

Starting point is 00:53:10 Oh my god, Meth Bear. You thought Cocaine Bear is intense. Just wait until Meth Bear starts running down your fucking house. If there's one thing that could take it down to Cocaine Bear, it's probably a meth human. So imagine a meth bear. Indestructible. Indestructible. Indestructible. Other than that, I went to the Vanity Fair and then I went to the Gold Party afterwards,

Starting point is 00:53:31 which is, I believe, Jay-Z's party. Got to meet Jay-Z. Great dude. Nice. And throws an unbelievable party. It was electric in there. It's not a shocker. Not a shocker at all, but I did get pumped about it. Tracy Ellis Ross, absolutely hysterical had be dying laughing. Did you meet Larry David at a nice? I did meet Larry David.

Starting point is 00:53:53 That was like the first person I walked in the room, walked in the room, shook that man's hand, curbianthusiasm, sign felled. I'm trying to get into this segment and I just can't do it. I'm like, really trying to be excited about the very, very, very ask your party. And I'm not going to lie. I and I just can't do it. I'm like really trying to be excited About the van to be fair ask a party and I'm not gonna like I couldn't give less fucks I like couldn't give less fucks about the van to fair ask a Yeah until you're up for an Oscar and you go to the party and you meet a whole bunch of people and you're like wow These people are really nice. I'll tell you what it wasn't like a club. You can have a conversation in there It wasn't like you know me music blaring like I'm sure it's a blast to talk to anybody. I bet it is

Starting point is 00:54:27 So why don't you want to go because you can't wear flip flops? You probably do flip flops. I would I'm more I would go if it was convenient for me to go if it was in New York and I got invited to something like this I would go nice so the Met Gala we're Got you. I lied. I'm not going. What? Yeah. I don't. I don't. I saw my dog, Lebron James. See? Could have met Lebron, man. Could have met Lebron with me, man. Now, he's absolutely a legend.

Starting point is 00:54:57 Northeast Ohio legend, Midwest legend. But yeah, it was fun to kick it with him. Saw Dremont green up there. There were some fun faces, man. They were everywhere. Dremont Again, I don't really know where to go with this was there was I'm super excited that you went. I just Yeah, no, um if you're asking no, I didn't invite anybody onto the show Thought it was a little too much of a

Starting point is 00:55:31 Kick it environment didn't want to bring business into this thing, but LeBron if you ever want to come on the show man Would love to have you with I know you're pretty busy with acting now too. Big actor house party Yeah, I don't know Um, yeah, I don't know. Jace's died into it, so now I'm not into it. So this, I'm sorry. Just I just feel like the only reason we're talking about this is because like somebody put the thing. Yeah, like I don't, I'm trying to get into it, but it feels and I know that you went there, so I'm trying to let you talk about it. Yeah, no, it's cool.

Starting point is 00:56:00 Thank you. I had to sit to an entire fucking Harry Potter fucking walk through okay? You can fucking get excited about getting out of the house Jason if you're genuinely at least you know who I'm talking about if you're genuinely excited about vanity fair I will talk about it with you but I feel like we're talking about this not because you want to talk about it. It's a new segment, Jason, because we're going to be getting out of that house. This summer, because I'm genuinely excited about Harry Potter. I feel like we're talking about this because somebody else wants to talk about it,

Starting point is 00:56:34 which is making it difficult to talk about it. That's the only reason I'm saying this. I don't have anything to talk about. So there's really nothing there. Other than I got out of the house, which is the segment. I'm an asshole. I'm an asshole. This segment just became something fun. So thank you for being real about it, Jason. I deserve it. No, it's I think it's good.

Starting point is 00:57:01 I think it's gold. God damn it. I think it's gold. You just made this segment something worth listening to Jason. You just you just made it something worth listening to. God damn it. Travel really happy that you were able to make it to the van. Oh God. It's guys a dickhead. No, seriously, it was an honor to go to the Vandy fair

Starting point is 00:57:27 After party it was a blast even the gold party after that was even more fun Got to see some of the coolest people in the entertainment world not just how they would both sports and entertainment and I had absolute blast and Jason you should come with me next year. You'll have a different outlook on it. You'll have a different outlook on it And he's wearing sandals. I saw Justin Bieber in there with a hit a blanket on as she was sweet. I gave him, I was like, JB you over there. Chillin, bra and a blanket. Deb, he was over there kicking it, man. That's what I'm saying, man, he gets to meet some of the, some of the cool, I mean, if there's anything we've established, I need to leave the house. I can't

Starting point is 00:58:02 become a curmudgeon and just sit in my den. Mugin? Kerr? I'm not even sure that that's a real word. Man, I definitely was unsure. All right, moving on. That's why we have this subject and this segment right here. This is exactly why we have this segment.

Starting point is 00:58:22 It's because we need to get Jason more Understanding of what he can do outside the house and the people that he can meet so We want to keep getting good guests. We got to keep meeting people Jason Let's move on to let's move on though. Well, we got and that was getting out the house with Jason Kelsey Talking I don't fucking even know why we're talking about this shit. This doesn't make any sense. That was great, man. I loved everybody. All right.

Starting point is 00:58:53 Well, it's time to get to the interview. It's time to get to the thing that we've been kind of leading and teasing this entire episode. Oh, yeah. Got the interview with head coach Nick Sireani. What do you think about Nick Sireani? And don't just crush me because I just crushed Panty Fair, please don't, Chris.

Starting point is 00:59:08 I'm not, I have nothing to crush you or Sireani about, man. Obviously, great coach because of just, you know, how we can motivate guys, but let alone this is X's and L's, man, you guys are flawless when that thing's rolling. It's impressive to watch. And he's got a fun energy man like the his

Starting point is 00:59:28 energy on the sidelines with you like when the when everything's rolling I have the image of him like going into the camera. I think they're like the 49ers game or something where it's just like oh yeah. And I think I fucking love it. Yeah, it was one of the playoff games though, but you could tell he gets. He gets into the games and he he feels a part of all of it and yeah, so I'm excited to I'm excited to check this one out, man. See what you guys were. We're over there. Talk them out. Well, I think I think you're going to enjoy it.

Starting point is 01:00:00 Nick is a is a fun interview. He's a he's a guy that words are started on a sleeve, and we got into a lot of great topics, including, yeah, well, I'm not gonna tease it, because you're gonna watch right now. With without further ado, head coach Nick Ciriani. All right, and my guest right now is a three time national champion wide receiver

Starting point is 01:00:20 out of Mountain Union College. He's only the third coach in franchise history to lead a team to the playoffs in his first year and most recently in his second year, just his second year, led the Philadelphia Eagles to only their fourth appearance in a Super Bowl. Next guest is Nick Ciriani, head coach.

Starting point is 01:00:39 Welcome to the number one sports podcast in the world. Thank you, thanks, Ray. You're dressed very fittingly with the underdog apparel. My foundation be fairly underdog. If it's good, I don't wear any other hats, but this. You've told me that's your favorite hats in my favor. And I do appreciate that. That's my favorite hat. I'm looking for, you know what else I'm looking for is black on black. Black on black. We get that. We can make that happen. Yeah, can we do that? For you coach, I don't appreciate that. So you are the king of wearing t-shirts. Like, and this

Starting point is 01:01:05 is why I'm doing this because like, so Nick always wears some t-shirt theme of either one of his players. Uh, you know, sometimes there we go. Slim Reaper. Slim Reaper right there. That's all I think that's the only thing that I have anymore. You know, I don't, I don't even know where my other shirts are. You know, if you've lost them, I've lost them. I do the same thing. I misplaced them all the time. I got about a million T-shirts of you guys. You had that Jalen one with the glasses, that one was super sick.

Starting point is 01:01:29 That's a good one, that's a good one. But this is Nick's famous dog mentality dog culture. So this is Zach's. Zach's. Zach's guy. Zach's guy is the owner of that dog culture. That's right. And so he had them always in Indy.

Starting point is 01:01:44 Right. And then boom, we had in Indy, right? Right. And then boom, you know, we had some, like we got the guy to order him and then Zach was, so you know, was with us last year and then got us some more. Zach killed this because I love this hoodie. It's good. Cut off. Yeah, it's good. And being in Indy, home of Pat McAfee, who's always in the tank town.

Starting point is 01:02:00 I feel like I had to have the guns out. That's good. You know, I always, when I wear that one, I love that one. Yeah. I love it. But I'm not, I mean, I'm wearing a shirt underneath. I'm not wearing just that anymore. Sure. But I got a couple shirts that go underneath that one, but that's a good one. All right. Well, you just finished your second year as an NFL head coach. What was different going out of your first year? Like how did you change, what did you learn? You know what the biggest thing I felt like that changed was like I think when you're a coordinator

Starting point is 01:02:31 or when you're a position coach, you can look and be like, all right, here's our, here's our, where's what we got? We got this team here, we got this team here, we got this team here, we got this team here, cool. All right, we can, we can. We can win all four of those. You know, we can do that's what you think. Like I don't know why, but I felt like

Starting point is 01:02:49 a lot like that when I was a position coach or a coordinator. But like as a head coach, I felt like it was really important that I just was here, right? And just locked into just that day to get to the next day because I didn't want you guys thinking about that. You know, and I wanted you just thinking about just the next day, you know, and sometimes in coaching,

Starting point is 01:03:10 you got to prepare for the next week. I get that on all those different things and you got to do more so of that when you're a position coach or a coordinator and you do the head coach. And so I just thought it was really important to just lock into the day. And that's where we talk about so much.

Starting point is 01:03:22 And this day, this meeting, this one, go on. You're, just finding out new ways to say don't think too far in advance. How many different ways? Yeah, how many different ways can we say that? And you thought, I mean, how many times do we say that? One of my favorite ways you've ever said it was the infamous roots quote, where you compared the Eagles organization to a plant just growing its roots. And we're just going to keep growing these things getting better every single day. When you look back, you gave that speech, I think when we were two and five,

Starting point is 01:03:49 like 21 and seven since that speech, which was crushed and filled out for me, like most things. You know what I said? I said in Philadelphia as a flower. And I did, I remember, when I said to you, I said plant. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:04:02 And then for whatever reason, I'm like, I'm sitting there interviewing and I'm like, yeah, as a flower. Well, you wanted it to become a flower., plant. Yeah. And then for whatever reason, I'm like, I'm sitting there interviewing and I'm like, yeah, as a flower. Well, you wanted it to become a flower. Like a flower is a beautiful, finished product. Right. And so I said flower to them and I was like,

Starting point is 01:04:11 no, it's a flower. Fans are funny. Some of the outfits, like the flowers there, I mean, Philadelphia is very creative. But is it, when you look back, like how real to that metaphor end up becoming though? You know, we grew all through the first year, we ended up making the playoffs after a bad

Starting point is 01:04:32 start in two and five. You guys somehow kept that thing going, morphed it into what need to be, and we ended the year really strong, and then had the year that we had this year. Like, it ended up being an unbelievable metaphor, looking back. And it was, and all that was, was a metaphor because we had this year. Like, it ended up being an unbelievable metaphor, looking back. And it was, and it all that was, it wasn't a metaphor, because we had already put the work in.

Starting point is 01:04:48 It's not like, it's not like we said that, right? And everyone was like, yeah. Yeah, it was just what we were doing. Yeah. I was just basically painting the picture. You know, sometimes they ask me like, too, like, how'd you get all these guys to think, think about your message and be like, yeah,

Starting point is 01:05:03 that's a good message. And first of all, I always say, you know, it's our players. Like, we have unbelievable leaders and captains and people on this team, but also, I'm not saying crazy things. I'm saying, hey, if you connect, we're going to be better. If you compete, we're going to be better. Like, oh, yeah, if you hold each other accountable, we're going to be better. Now Now we live those things every day. We practice those, but we all know those are common denominators of good team.

Starting point is 01:05:28 What's the same thing? We were doing all those things. Right. We were building foundation and everybody wants the foundation. Everyone wants that the pop is as soon as it can and all of us want to do that. But sometimes the roots need to grow and there were the foundation and the billion needs to grow

Starting point is 01:05:43 or wherever you want to compare it for everything to stay sturdy and stay rock solid as you continue to grow and there were the foundation of the billion needs to grow or wherever you want to compare it for everything to stay sturdy and stay rock solid as you continue to grow higher. Yeah. And finding ways to keep guys doing that. Yeah. Like you said, finding new ways, one of the things that is very underrated or not even known, I guess, is I think your team meetings are unbelievable.

Starting point is 01:05:59 The more we get accomplished in those meetings is more than I've probably had with, I think any other head coach, no offense to Doug Chipper, Andy Reed, but the team meetings are one, you stay true to the messaging, right? But you find new ways that guys lock in to listen to it. But then also the coaching that happens in the team meetings, the film of good and bad, not in like a call out way, and just like, hey, we're going to show when we do things right so that everybody knows, hey, this is what we want you to do. We're gonna show when things don't go bad so that guys can learn from that instead of just the guy that made the mistake.

Starting point is 01:06:32 And then also just the coaching of situation of football. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, okay. I have a feeling if you just turn the TV off and on, it'll just pop back on. Every time something's fucked up, I can't fix shit. Dude, we joke about this. Everything technical, the running joke with the whole podcast is turn it off. I'm plug it in, I'm plug it in, plug it back in. We'll go through all these technical workshops

Starting point is 01:06:58 and it ultimately comes down to just turn it off and turn it off. I have a great story. Okay. I'm like that all the time. And every joke is always like, did you try turning it on? Did you, is it plugged in?

Starting point is 01:07:09 They're like, yeah, I go in every time I go out. Yeah. I don't know anything else. And so our fireplace has been broken for six months. I love going home when it's cold out, turning the fireplace on, sitting in the couch, letting the heat, just like, I love that.

Starting point is 01:07:25 For six months, I've been saying, hey, can you, my dad was here, I'm like, can you call the guy? Yeah, in my wife, can you, can you, can you call the guy? No one's done it. No one's done it, like, what are you doing? I'm, I'm, I'm cold, yeah, I'm busy right now.

Starting point is 01:07:36 Yeah. And, so we have this guy coming in to, to our patio, you know, I don't think he knows anything about fireplaces, but I'm like, hey, let's give a shot. He jaws up the patio, how we want him, I'm a hey bro, do you know anything about fire, but I'm like, hey, let's give a shot. He jaws up the patio how we want him a hey bro. Do you know anything about fireplaces? He's like, yeah, let me look at it.

Starting point is 01:07:49 So looking at you goes, hey, once the last time he changed these batteries for the remote, I'm like, if it's the fucking batteries. So it comes through here, he's looking at it, he goes, change batteries, let's see what happens. Put four new AA batteries in. Instant fire. Instant fire. I was so mad, like, because that's what happens. Put four new AA batteries in. Instant fire. I was so mad.

Starting point is 01:08:06 Like, that's my thing. That's how I fix it. Why do I feel like this is going to be a speech to the team in the future? So all of the speeches end up being real life scenarios. I was like, listen, you know, things are going wrong. You don't know why you're having a bad game. Just turn off turn up.

Starting point is 01:08:20 Replace the batteries. We're on to the next play. I'm definitely doing it. I'm definitely doing it. It's 100%. It's just another way to say dog mentality. You're 100% right. Oh my God. You more than any coach I've ever been with are obsessed with situation of football. Have you always been obsessed with it? Is

Starting point is 01:08:41 is that the job of the head coach or is that, yeah, I guess. Yeah, I think it's a job that head coach did to present it. And then everybody else to, you know, to echo it and take it to those coaching points. One thing I always say to the guys is going into that Saturday situational Saturday walk through, right? Yeah. Is, you know, we have the meeting on Saturday and then walk through. I always say, hey, make sure, position coaches, coordinators echo the coaching points,

Starting point is 01:09:06 to get one more opportunity to say, down to no moss means this, you know, whatever, just echo all those things. And so, but really where I became obsessed with it, was in Kansas City, it was, they had a, we had a board like in training camp, like here's all the situations we need to get covered. And like I guess when you hear like, that it's important to build parcels because Todd Haley worked with

Starting point is 01:09:28 build parcels. You kind of think to yourself like, oh shoot, you know, the build parcels was obsessed with this. Cool. Here we go. What did he do? Bum bum bum bum bum. It's because because Bella checkers were now for being such and he was also a yeah, maybe that's where, maybe that's where it all started too. So that's where the start of it came. And then I was kind of like, then we went to San Diego after that. And we were in Coach McCoy was really big into that too. And I think Frank and I had a big part of thinking through all the situations. And it's just kind of grown every place I've been.

Starting point is 01:10:00 Yeah, how many situations is there even a number? I feel like each week you guys bring up a new situation that you finally that you've learned by watching another team. And and that's the beauty of growing right? Because there is there's always something new that comes up that you're like shoot. We didn't practice that. We haven't talked about that. Yeah. Great. Let's talk about it. We just got better. Like there's a there's a cool feeling in that too of watching somebody, you know, do something and be like, wow, they did that really well or all they really messed that up. And you say, we got to coach that. We got to do that. Now, there's a fine line too of like, well, knowing what's important because it kind of lists can go like this. And like just like

Starting point is 01:10:36 plays can go like this. Well, what's important that we need to harness in on? I mean, how many times have we run heave-ho? Yeah, not often. We've walked through it every single week. Frank Rik used to say to me all the time, he's like, nobody, like every situational Saturday, because we did the same thing and he goes, nobody. And I mean, nobody practices Heavho more than you. Yeah. And you know, I kind of became a joke with that.

Starting point is 01:10:59 I'm like, what's you? If it comes up, it came up for the chiefs in the Super Bowl when they played the Niners. They ran Heavho. Yeah. You know, they ran Heavho in that game. And so like, what's your, if it comes up, it came up for the chiefs in this Super Bowl when they played the Niners, they ran Heavow. Yeah. You know, they ran Heavow in that game. And so like, you know, it, it, it, who knows? Because it, who knows when they come up, that's the beauty of it.

Starting point is 01:11:13 Like, I, you have to be like, so in tune to the situation because you, you never know when it's going to come up. And I like that you got, I feel like a lot of coaching staffs talk about that amongst themselves. What I really like about you is that you talk about it in the team meeting. So like all the players end up becoming aware. You're not aware of every situation, but maybe your buddy next to you is there. This is the situation.

Starting point is 01:11:34 This is what play will run right here. Or like, I'm watching the Super Bowl. And right after they got the penalty, you know, the first time, I'm like, we got to be in a lay right now. We got to let them score if we want any chance to win this. And sure enough, we pop it. We execute a really well, but Jeremy can just a little bit. Jets too smart.

Starting point is 01:11:50 That was a really smart play. It was a very unselfish point. And obviously very smart, but from their coaches, because you know what they thought. To get that in, yeah, no moss. And so you know what, I felt like shoot, and what if we were to practice that a little bit more? What if we would have done, like that's where,

Starting point is 01:12:04 you know how we are, we just, I'm always like, this is what I could have done better. What if we would practice that a little bit more, what if we would have done, that's where, you know how we are, we just, I'm always like, this is what I could have done better. What if we would have done a little bit better to get the guys a little closer? Like we're gonna tackle, we talked about it, then we walk through it. Like that's where I'm beating myself up.

Starting point is 01:12:16 You know, like maybe we should have put, that's in situational Saturday actually. I thought that they did a good job. They did a good job. Yeah, but you could just like, maybe a little bit more like just, like dive and then miss his leg on purpose. Yeah, like that's how my son does tackling and real tackling drills. You don't really want to get hit yet. Right. And so he'll come up and

Starting point is 01:12:31 he'll take this angle on these angle tackling drills. I'm like, eat night and close. And it'll sweet the back part of his leg. Just take a tear of my hand with one full speed and just get the guy thinking about that. So maybe he forgets that he's supposed to go. I'm going to have Jacobs here. I'm and he come in and demonstrate what to do. And demonstrate what to do. Just put on just put on table, a few before Paul. And this is how we want you to do. Let off angle, terrible angle.

Starting point is 01:12:55 Like every time I go to his practice, I'm telling you, I'm watching it. And I'm like, yeah, you can just see right from me. I'm like, yeah, it's saying we're gonna be close. What are you gonna get ahead? And that's what his goal is right now. So he's actually accomplishing the goal. You want to accomplish. That really secretly wants to.

Starting point is 01:13:07 Let's get back to growing. So one of my favorite things outside of the roots speech, because I actually really liked that was after your first press conference, you get killed by the city of Philadelphia, Angela the tallity, everybody. I like how you throw Angela. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:13:21 We can throw Angela out there, talking to crap about Ganon, talking about you out there, Angela. They just retired. So I'm like, I'll throw angel. They just retired. So we can't talk shit to me anyways. And I think a lot of people would do that. And you could respond. There could be multiple responses to that.

Starting point is 01:13:33 Whether you like, okay, now I don't want to do press conferences anymore or like fuck all these guys. No, I'm sorry, family show. All right. So fuck is off. We can't say fuck you can. We do it all the time, but we try. We try to not to because time, but we try it.

Starting point is 01:13:45 We try to not to because there are kids that watch it. But you use it as a way for the team to notice that you're being accountable to getting better. You talked about, and one of my favorite two means, you do your second press conference, and you practice and prepare even harder to make sure that you are better in your second press conference.

Starting point is 01:14:02 And I think that that's an unbelievable message for a team to hear that like, hey, the head coach is trying to get better. And it's a very concrete example of trying to get improvement. And I think that that leads itself to players that being easy to be like, okay, if he's accountable and being real with himself

Starting point is 01:14:19 to know where he needs to get better at, you know, I'm gonna do the same thing. Yeah, I think that's part of leadership, right? Yeah. And that better at, you know, I'm doing the same thing. Yeah, I think that's part of leadership, right? Yeah. And that's why, you know, if I want the players on our team and the coaches on our team to hold each other accountable, you got to hold myself accountable. And then think about why we have a good team. Like, look at the leaders we have.

Starting point is 01:14:39 And I'm saying you and Fletch, andG and Lane and Jalen and Slay. And I'm just naming the cabsons and Jake, right? And you guys do that every day. And it trickles to the rest of the team. It becomes a culture. It becomes a culture. It's what you live every day, right? And so I think too many times,

Starting point is 01:14:58 I feel like we've all probably had coaches that too many times you felt like, I don't wanna say it's like, I don't want them to think I'm wrong and I'm not gonna say I'm wrong up there. But we're all wrong. We all make mistakes in that. And I think that's important that we talk about them, right?

Starting point is 01:15:14 It's cause all this matters is we get better. And the other part of that message was, hey, the second interview, I went in there and I crushed it. That was awesome. And I turned the radio on to listen to what they said and I still got crush. I mean, if it's Philadelphia,

Starting point is 01:15:27 it's gonna, you do have to tune it out a little bit until you won't even when you're doing really well. Still got to tune it out. Cause then they're gonna love you. And it's like, listen, I gotta realize, I'm not whatever one thinks I am. Remember how many times you said that, this training camp? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:15:41 How many times did you say, like, hey, listen, I love the players that we're acquiring and that we have and look at practice. It's going unbelievable. We're working our ass off. Everything's coming together the way we need it to, but don't make it for one second that the names, you said this, I mean, we said this 10 times in training camp, that the names on this page are, you know, keep working head down, work, work, work, work. And like, that's the same message. Let's get back to your first year. What do you, so we asked players this a lot,

Starting point is 01:16:10 who are like, what was your welcome to the NFL moment? Do you have like a welcome to head coaching moment? Was there a moment in your first year that you were like, man, being a head coach is either not what I expected or like, very aware of like everything like was it the Was it the press conference was it the the roots like that everything you said is gonna be over analyzed was at a moment in a game Yeah, I think I think that that opening for us

Starting point is 01:16:36 Was it like because just like every was gonna man. They're like really reading into it You know what I do I tell this story a lot I tell this story a lot. I tell this story a lot. So we played the Patriots. I think it was the first game that we had in a preseason. Maybe it was second, because we practiced against them. We definitely practiced. And it wasn't the first week. So it was the second week.

Starting point is 01:16:55 All right, we played Patriots. And everybody's talking like, hey, listen, you get the job and people say, rebuild, rebuild, rebuild. And the first thing you think, like, oh, I don't way. That's not what we, that's not no coach no player ever in the history of the game says IA this gonna be a rebuild season we're just gonna it's not really mad yeah yeah right and so like that was the message almost that you were getting from outside right from the outside like hey this is gonna be

Starting point is 01:17:20 a rebuild this is gonna be a whatever and I never went into play right we work just as hard that training camp as we if we work the last year in camp and like, hey, this is gonna be a rebuild, this is gonna be a re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re- we got smoked. We got smoked. And it's a preseason game. I get it. I don't need. So they have an issue with the dolphins. It's the same thing happened this year with the dolphins. I don't think you guys didn't play. Remember because Jaylin, in all the games that we practice with those, the starters don't play very much. Yeah, that's right.

Starting point is 01:17:56 I think you guys were going to play. But then Jaylin. We practiced really well against them. Yeah, Jaylin had something. He got something. We did practice well. Jaylin got something. I don't remember what it was.

Starting point is 01:18:04 I'm like, no one's playing. Because you're right. Yeah. So we something, we did practice well. Jaylin got like something. I don't remember what it was, and we're like, no one's playing. Because it's over that. So we get, we get shocked. Yeah. And they're booing us. They have time. Like, what the, what is going on? Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 01:18:15 So I get in the car of my wife and I, I love this. I love this. I get in the car with her and she, and I go, this freaking pre-season, we just had a really good practice, two practices against Patriots who are really good well coached team, good players, everything.

Starting point is 01:18:30 And they were pulling us and she's like, well, what'd you give them to cheer about? I'm not pulling pressure down. And I loved it and I just thought to myself, yeah, we have people that will hold you to a stander. I love that. We have that will hold you to a stander in this city. And we gotta live up to it. Yeah, maybe this is people that will hold you to a standard. I love that. We have that will hold you to a standard in this city. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:18:46 And we got to live up to it. Yeah, maybe this is why you've assimilated so well to Philadelphia because your own wife, Brett, is giving you the exact same treatment as always. Exactly. I can go through it 24 or seven. But that came against the dolphins this year too, right? And like, you'd never want to go out

Starting point is 01:19:04 and put a bad product on the field, right? By any accounts, right? And like, you'd ever want to go out and put a bad product on the field, right? By any accounts, right? Playing to see a play. But even more than that, you want to continue to be playing well and improving and just to go as far as you can. Right, and remember, they didn't practice because they all had food poisoning or something like that.

Starting point is 01:19:19 Remember that? I forgot about that. Yeah. So they played all the notes. And then all their starters played fresh. We had a- I need to think about that. I'm not worried about that. I'm not worried about that. I'm not worried about that. I'm not worried about that. I'm not worried about that. I'm not worried about that. I'm not worried about that.

Starting point is 01:19:27 I'm not worried about that. I'm not worried about that. I'm not worried about that. I'm not worried about that. I'm not worried about that. I'm not worried about that. I'm not worried about that. I'm not worried about that.

Starting point is 01:19:35 I'm not worried about that. I'm not worried about that. I'm not worried about that. I'm not worried about that. I'm not worried about that. I'm not worried about that. I'm not worried about that. I'm not worried about that.

Starting point is 01:19:43 I'm not worried about that. I'm not worried about that. I'm not worried about that. I'm not worried that six one play. Remember, we got the six one and we ran storm. And then we expected to just get generic defenses and it's a preseason game and didn't have anything in for this. I was so mad. And so I started like, I was ripping the guys on the headset like in just like, unbearably. And I remember Shane or somebody what,

Starting point is 01:20:02 somebody that can calm me down was like, hey, we got, we got our butts kicked against the, the Patriots too last year. They're like, I'm like, no, this is not, this is unacceptable. It's not the same, same kind of thing. I do think some of that stuff's good though. It's good to get your butt kicked

Starting point is 01:20:17 in a meaningless preseason game and bring your back down to earth and be like, hey, we got a lot of, we got a lot of fix. Yeah. From all, not just players, like, the whole building. Everybody. It's good. Yeah. Did you get any advice from other coaches or anybody that ended up being like the best advice? Something that ended up being true. Like, like, man, you know what that guy told me? That ended up being 100% accurate.

Starting point is 01:20:39 Yeah. Yeah. You know, you get, you get a lot of advice from a lot of different people. Like, and I have my main mentors in life and, and this and that. But, you know, you get a lot of advice from a lot of different people. And I have my main mentors in life and this and that. But you know, I remember Chris Ballard saying to me, he said something to me like before. Because obviously he was the general manager and the cults and then he obviously, and he goes, hey, you're gonna make mistakes. You're going to own them and move on.

Starting point is 01:20:59 And I remember in my first week or so, forget the press conference, but it was like hiring things too. And I'm like, I'm trying to get everything right. And this and that, I'm like, whoo, I really messed that up right there. And it wasn't with, it was just something I messed up with. I can't even remember what it was,

Starting point is 01:21:13 but I remember waking up in the middle of night, like just turning, I'm like, oh, that was a bad mistake. I couldn't go back asleep. I was just on my mind like, bad mistake. It's crazy, because I heard Chris's voice say, you're gonna make mistakes. Yeah. Own it and move on. I owned crazy because I heard Chris's voice say, you're going to make mistakes. Yeah. Own it and move on.

Starting point is 01:21:26 I owned it and I moved on and I was able to be able to get through that. And that's accountability and that's dog mentality. Really when you say, when you think about it, right, you own it. Right, accountability. And you get better from it, accountability. And then you move on dog mentality. Yeah. All right. Well, you talked about mentors.

Starting point is 01:21:43 I know you've talked about Frank a lot. Both of us have been fortunate to work with Frank kind of emotional deal with After the game against Indy this year. Do you want to describe your relationship with Frank or like what? Yes, you he's like he's like my big brother, you know I got to to older brothers and then I Frank's like my big brother because and I don't ever tell say he's like like like my dad because then Frank I don my big brother and I don't ever say he's like my dad because then Frank, I don't want Frank to feel old. Right, so I'm always like,

Starting point is 01:22:09 I'm more out of respect for Frank. And so I'm always like, he's like my big brother and he just prepared me for everything, right? As a head coach, as a coordinator because he was a coordinator when I was a quarterback coach, right? He was a quarterback coach when I was a quality control in San Diego. So he was just preparing me.

Starting point is 01:22:26 And he always took a liking to me and was preparing me for all the next steps, right? And again, what's a great preparation is you lead by example, right? And then that's what he always did. And just other things, life in general things, family, kid, like this guy is an all-american guy. It has good knowledge on everything.

Starting point is 01:22:43 So I just always felt like him as like a big brother that leads by example, always pulled me aside to help me prepare for my next journeys. And so you're always grateful for that and good friend of mine. Yeah, he's talked about being a coordinator, right? What is the biggest shift going from being a coordinator to like a head coach?

Starting point is 01:23:01 Like I think that all the things that are important to being a good offensive coordinator are equally as important when you're a head coach? Like I think all the things that are important to be in a good offensive coordinator are equally as important when you're a head coach. You're just doing it with the whole team now, right? Like with me, right, you got the job because you were deemed as good at being an offensive coach and the things that you do. So you don't wanna lose that when you become a head coach, right?

Starting point is 01:23:23 You wanna continue to do the things that got you to the job and provide your expertise on that. So, you know, continuing to do the offensive stuff. And then I thought what was really important was to be able to say, hey, all right, I have this, this wealth of knowledge on offensive football. I need to share this with the defense of guys. I didn't do that as a coordinator. Now I talked with the guys like, hey, what would be a card against this? But I, you know, every Tuesday, I'm in a meeting with again, like, all right, well, what are they doing? Yeah, now it's more structured. Now, it's yeah, right. And so like, all right, well, you guys got to determine if this is the right thing to do here. But I tell you what gives this play problems is this. Yeah. And

Starting point is 01:23:59 that's their main play. I tell you what gives this receiver problems is this and figure out how the pieces fit. Like so like that. And then also with the defensive guys, but it's just now connecting with the entire team because if you're taking your role as an offensive coordinator of just more than the guys that are that's calling the plays and correcting the film and doing that. And you're taking it as I'm the mini head coach of the offense. Then you're preparing yourself to be the head coach of entire team. But I think that's exactly what it is.

Starting point is 01:24:29 Now you're in charge of the entire team. I'm gonna take what I was doing with the offense now, more to the whole team. More to the whole team, exactly. Yeah, how does hiring an offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator go? Because does that help having actually done the position in when you're interviewing

Starting point is 01:24:45 these guys? I'm sure. Yeah. For sure. I mean, you know, I guess you just hired a new one. I just talked to Shane and we were talking through and he was talking about somebody who's going to hire in this and that and he was going back and forth. And I just reassured him and not that he needs my reassurance and there are anything like

Starting point is 01:25:04 that. like, and I just reassured him, and not that he needs my reassurance and there are anything like that, but I just reassured him like, Shane, me and you have evaluated coaches a thousand times more than we've evaluated players. What do you mean by that? He didn't say that. I'm saying what I'm saying it for here. Well, we're always sitting there

Starting point is 01:25:21 while we're watching players or while we're sitting there, game planer or while we're doing this, we're always sitting there and hearing other coaches talk. while we're sitting there game planer while we're doing this, we're always sitting there and hearing other coaches talk. And we know that was a stupid idea or we know that was a great idea or that was a bad coaching part.

Starting point is 01:25:32 That was a good, we evaluate coaches whether we know it or not, more so than we even evaluate players because that's what we do. Like we're in there with, we spend more time with the most of us. We spend more time with them than our wives, right? And he's like, wow, I have to gut. I'm like, yeah, go with it.

Starting point is 01:25:47 You know, you know. And that gets the same thing here. Like, you know, I think it's really important when you're hiring guys is to make sure you have different people in the room that give you different expertise, right? Yeah. You know, here's who's in this room.

Starting point is 01:26:01 You know, I want the offensive guys here that, you know, like Jamal sat in and all the defensive coordinator interviews and so did Kevin and so did Brian. Yeah, right? And then there were some defensive coaches that had some expertise in all three levels that sat in there as well.

Starting point is 01:26:16 And then you talk and you think about the questions you're gonna ask and you have a list of them. And then at the end, you, you know, you value it, you value it, right? What do you think here on fundamentals? Boom, what what you think here on fundamentals boom what you think here on the run games game boom what you think here on the situations boom and all the things that you just did with that player you you go through and you give them just like we do with a player plus okay minus for the day yeah and then at the

Starting point is 01:26:38 end of the day you try to cast a wide net and listen to a lot of different guys talk like I really looked at that as an opportunity to say, we had a great opportunity to get better at football. Like we don't go to the national coaches convention anymore, right? We don't go to, you probably should go to Glacier clinics and stuff like that and just sit in there, why not, right? You're gonna learn something.

Starting point is 01:27:01 You're gonna learn something. Well, we just worth the time commitment though, that's the thing. Well, if there's one at the Philadelphia hotel, we probably, or whatever, what's the, should we start a coachy clinic just to get good minds come to Philadelphia and we got steel there and see if we get the cowboys to come, the guys to come. This is a really big deal, guys. You should definitely come.

Starting point is 01:27:18 Definitely come. A lot of people are gonna be there. And, but yeah, we got to sit in, you know, however long the interview lasts with the amount of guys that we did and just sit there and learn ball and figure out Not what you're doing two things you're figuring out who you actually think the best possible candidate is And then you're also learning ball and you're getting better yourself. Yeah, what are the qualities? For an offensive coordinator or a different like what are you like if you were to draw up the perfect coordinator, what would be the ideal traits? Yeah, you know, that's a good question

Starting point is 01:27:52 because in Shane and I do this a lot because Gus Bradley taught us this. And so Gus Bradley would come and he comes up to us and he goes, hey, explain to me what the best coach, what does a great coach look like to you? And you sit there for a second and you start to talk and you're like, okay, I got it. And you start to tell him, all right?

Starting point is 01:28:11 It's this, it's this, this, this, this, this, this, this. And he looks at you and he goes, you just explained yourself to me. And it's like, and you think to yourself, you're like, I think I just, yeah, yeah. I think I just, I think I just, I think you're gonna coach it. And like because you think about the things that you do and you're like, I think I just, yeah, yeah. I think I just, I think I just, I think I just,

Starting point is 01:28:25 I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just,

Starting point is 01:28:33 I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just,

Starting point is 01:28:41 I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, I think I just, He's running around. You can't have 20 astounds running around. You can't have 20, whatever it is. 20 astounds would be a very interesting offensive install. It'd be a great install, man. But very detailed.

Starting point is 01:28:52 It would be very interesting to do. You long. He's the best. And so it's important that you have different styles too, because that leads to different ideas. That leads to everybody. And so I don't know if there's a perfect, you know, one, or what the qualities have to be is you have to be an expert

Starting point is 01:29:14 on offense, right? Or defense. Yeah. And the detail has to be so, so high, right? How many times do we say that, okay, here we go. How do we get a little bit better each day? High, high attention to detail and meaning. Started by coaches going to players.

Starting point is 01:29:29 Full speed of the snap and walk through. High, high intensity of practice, right? And so the detail has to be so, so high because you can have all these different styles of coaches, right? But what makes a good coach is detail. So that's the first thing. Being able to put the players in proper positions

Starting point is 01:29:46 to make plays, what are you gonna do against this? What are you gonna do if you get a high tendency of this? What are you gonna do if you get a high tendency of this? Right, and then ultimately is, can you teach players fundamentals? Yeah, right. Because that's our job is like to give you the guys, the tools to teach you the things like,

Starting point is 01:30:02 you're here, right? And if you play with good fundamentals, you'll get here. It's not going to be like, right? But it's, but that matters in the NFL. Huge. That matter, all these things matter in the NFL. What are the kind of matters more in the NFL too? Because I feel like so much of the discussion ends up being like,

Starting point is 01:30:18 not even just between coaches, but between coaches and players, like high level, like structure oriented, like how can we gain advantage from emotion, formation against this coverage, against this blitz. How can we design that? And then all of a sudden you lose track also because we don't really practice that much too. But you lose track of the little fundamentals

Starting point is 01:30:37 that allow you to do all these things and execute them in high levels, right? There's no doubt. It becomes too scheme oriented. And not the player and how he plays. How can we make the player play at his optimal level? And part of that is the right angle. For sure.

Starting point is 01:30:52 But the next step, it's a both-hand, right? You can be in great angles, but if the fundamentals aren't right when you're attacking that, you can be as wide open as possible. If you haven't got on the judge machine enough or whatever, I'm talking receivers, like I know anything about receiving them. Offense a line, you can drop the best run play.

Starting point is 01:31:12 If you're not approaching with the right fit, the right angle, the right half placement, it can ruin the whole play. Remember, you guys came to me and said, hey, that Wednesday, let's do individual. Let's do individual there just to continue to fine tune the details. And that's what we did.

Starting point is 01:31:25 You know, instead of walk through Wednesday, late in the season, we ended up going to individual then walk through, right? Remember that because you guys know, you guys know how important the fundamental is. So, or conversely, it could be a terrible situation, but because a guy does some like unbelievable thing out there makes a play, which started

Starting point is 01:31:44 with good fundamentals. Right. Bales us out. 100%. 100%. Yeah, I'm curious about this because my dad didn't coach high school football, but he's the first coach I ever had. He's my little league baseball coach.

Starting point is 01:31:57 And I think a lot of how I interact on a field and play sports and everything was dictated because of my dad and my brother. Your brother's a coach, your dad's a high school football coach. I see them around the building all the time. So obviously you guys always are communicating. You've said that you compete against each other. What have you taken from them?

Starting point is 01:32:15 Like how was it growing up in a household that was like so into sports football coaching? And is that a big reason why you coach right now? Shoot. Hey, we need 20 minutes. Uh, man, I have so many stories of just, of just that. Like sports is, it is. It's faith family football for us.

Starting point is 01:32:37 And it's like that's, and, and really you could say football. But if we were in basketball season, it was basketball. Yeah, right. It was, whatever. Yeah. But like there was just so much, man, my dad used were a basketball season, it was basketball, it was basketball, it was whatever. Yeah. But like there was just so much, man, my dad used to say to us, like if you're going to play for it for me and this and that, you got to, you got to be really good because I don't want anyone to think I'm playing it just because you're my son.

Starting point is 01:32:55 Right. And so like we worked hard at it and we lived about a mile and a half from the school and he was a track coach. He was a football coach for a little bit, got cancer. He got cancer and then he just helped out on the side. He wasn't the head track coach anymore or had football coach, but he was a track coach. He was a football coach for a little bit, got cancer. He got cancer and then he just helped out on the side. He wasn't the head track coach anymore, or had football coach, but he was the head track coach for 46 years.

Starting point is 01:33:10 And like, I got, I mean, I have so many stories, I've got flowed through my head, like, you know, I'd be like, I'd have a hard workout and track, right? Or whatever. And I'd be like, I'm getting the car, my dad and going home, he's like, yeah, you run, that's your cool down.

Starting point is 01:33:23 Yeah. You know, it was like all those, he did the scorebook at basketball games. Like he would sit there and do the scorebook, like hey, Cereani, two points, Miller, three points, whatever. And he would sit there and I'd have those, I knew my coach was watching. I had a great high school basketball coach in Scott Cooper.

Starting point is 01:33:38 But then I had my dad's eyes like looking at me like, don't you mess this up and yelling me out there too. Like so there was a lot of accountability. That's for sure. And then what makes it really cool now is that we can bounce ideas off each other. My brother, Mike, who's the head football coach at Washington and Jefferson College, like we gave him a two point play

Starting point is 01:33:58 maybe two years ago of like, hey, here's a play that we're running in the tight red zone. This is pretty good. Do you like it? Yeah, I really like that. I mean, I have all the tape. Boom, boom, here's a play that we're running in the tight red zone. This is pretty good. Do you like it? Yeah, I really like that. We have all the tape. Boom, boom, boom. Here you go.

Starting point is 01:34:09 He called me, I want to say this year at one point, it's like, hey, they're starting to stop it. But we were 17 and 19 on that two point on that tight red zone play. I'm like, that's a play right there. When it's your older brother. It's at 92%. That's gotta be close.

Starting point is 01:34:19 It's like our sneak percentage. When it's your older brother and you can help him with something like that, that's pretty cool. And then where do I get that big brother feeling of, why did I get in the stands? Why did I yell at Indianapolis Colts fans after we... Or Philly fans, whatever, I was yelling, like, or celebrating with Philly fans at the end of the indie game because when you mess with one of my brothers, I get pissed, right?

Starting point is 01:34:42 You know? Right. I remember, like, there was, I can't tell you how many times, like, if the Southwestern Trojans lost, and someone said to me, it's something at school, like, I remember, I told you guys, this story, I remember I got into a fight because I was sticking up for my brother

Starting point is 01:34:56 and the kick the shit out of me. Right, he was the older kid and he said, some about my brother, I'm like, you're saying that I'm in the middle of the bus, so you're getting bounded. So, you stood up for him. You stood up for him, right? And so, but that's what's cool, like, saying, and I'm in the middle of the bus, he didn't pound it. So, you stood up for him. He stood up for him. Right.

Starting point is 01:35:06 And so, but that's what's cool. Like, be able to, I went in a lot of different directions there, but like being able to talk football with them still and what you guys, and what they think here, what they think there, all the memories growing up and the accountability growing up and knowing what sports had done for us in our lives and how important it was and how sacred it was. And then just having each other's back at all times. And so those are the things that I remember the most. I can tell stories forever about all the sorts of things like that because just sports were so intertwined and who we were and what we did growing up.

Starting point is 01:35:40 Yeah, and we did the same. We played any sport possible. We weren't football players. We didn't even start playing football to middle school. And you learn from all these, like it's fast, it's interesting to me that your day was also the track coach. Because you have football, which is an insane, like the pinnacle of team sports and like cooperation.

Starting point is 01:35:58 And then you have track, which is like, hey, depending on the event, it's you out there and you're doing this on your own. And it's overly mechanically. Talk about like attention to detail. There's a lot. It's you out there and you're doing this on your own and it's overly mechanically. Talk about like attention to detail. Like it's all detail.

Starting point is 01:36:09 It's all hitting the precise things. I feel like. And we were triple jumpers, right? And so there's all, I'm like watch that happen. I don't even know if I could coordinate myself to do. It's all technique. Yeah. It's all technique.

Starting point is 01:36:23 You can't, I've nerd out of him, terrible job, but you can't have bad step phase in like, and so we were good at technique because that was like, so we're fundamentals, where's that come from? My dad, right? It's like stuff like that, but what's funny about that is, yes, track is this individual sport and football is this team sport,

Starting point is 01:36:41 but my dad gravitated toward football always, right? And so like I remember remember him being there like, okay, if this guy jumps this, and their guy is just gonna do this, he could figure out the score, show what the track's gonna be if everybody did their job. Hit their marks.

Starting point is 01:36:57 Yeah, and so I remember one day, I had food poisoning going into a track meet my senior year. I ate something at launched in the cafeteria. Yeah. And I'm just, I can't stop throwing up. I'm, ugh. And then my dad came up to me and goes, Hey, you got, you're in four events.

Starting point is 01:37:12 Like dad, I can't, I'm throwing up every two seconds. He goes, I know, but what, okay, listen, I just need you to place at least third in two of them and I need you to win the triple jump. This is so, I'm like, this guy. And so, I'm running down the runway because he had figured out that if we do that, because I think I would have won a couple of them

Starting point is 01:37:32 and maybe got seconded a couple of them, but he figured out if I just got third, like he's doing the team part, he's helping all the individuals, but he's doing the team part in his mind. Yeah. And so I don't remember running. I just need you to do that.

Starting point is 01:37:44 I just need you to do this. I just need you to do this. I would run down the runway. I would do whatever jump I did. I did high jump, triple jump, long jump, and high hurdles. Right, I would run down the runway. And I'm just speaking of long jump and triple jump. I'd land in the pit. I'd throw up.

Starting point is 01:37:57 Oh my God. And then I'd come back. And it would, I get out of the pit. I get out of the pit. That's me. It wasn't land, boom. It was land, boom, walk, boom. You're feeding, you go,

Starting point is 01:38:07 it was like, it was a nightmare day, but like, he had figured, but he knew, you get it done. I think we won. I mean, shoot. We won. For the stadium, they won. But like, he was figuring out how we could win as a team,

Starting point is 01:38:22 because, and so what my point is, like, it is always about, like, with my family, it was always about team, team, team, team win as a team. And so one of my pointers, like it is always about, like with my family, it was always about team, team, team, team, team, team. Even an individual, even find a way to correlate it back to the collective. Yeah, right.

Starting point is 01:38:34 Yeah. So I got a combine story. I don't know if we have time to share, but the same thing. We have to. I had a pen to set the combine. I've never run track, but the combine is essentially a track me, right? Like if you have some drill in it. You had a appendicitis at the combine. I've never run track, but the combine is essentially a track me.

Starting point is 01:38:45 Yeah. Right? Like, if you have some drill in it's head. You had a sinus at the, at the call. I had to stop by. I literally was throwing it. I would go in the, I don't even know if they still do this, but the informal interviews, because I wasn't good enough to have a lot of formal ones.

Starting point is 01:38:57 So that was my time to like talk to these guys. And I would go from meetings to the bathroom, throw up, or out the other end. I mean, what the hell is going on? I think I got like stomach flu. And then randomly on the day I was going to run, I felt a little bit better went out there. And that was the same thing, like the 20-yard shuttle, like I have a really good time when people are like, man, you're insanely athletic. That's like, that drill is all about, I'm going to do it precisely with the technique

Starting point is 01:39:22 and the steps necessary. And if I do that, I'm going to run a faster time than if I actually try to run as fast I can. So I'm doing all that and then a week, and I a little bit less than a week later, I find out I get sick again, go to the emergency room, like, Hey, you got to append a site as you got to get your appendix taken out. So that was my combine story. Do you think any of your times worn as good as what you thought they should be with that? Well, no, I don't think the sickness affected.

Starting point is 01:39:44 And if anything, I was't think the sickness affected. And if anything, I was 280. So you were down. I was like 295 all working out. Then I'd wait and I'm like, man, I'm like, this might make me run faster. I'm pretty light right now. Can you imagine if that right there,

Starting point is 01:39:55 the appendicitis right there affected your dress status either way? I think it did. It went down bad. It went down, okay. Because that was 280. Well, I wanted to weigh 295. I was, I think I'm the lightest or second lightest

Starting point is 01:40:08 like center ever to weigh in, like in the modern era. Like it's not good. Imagine that, like imagine you would have went 10 picks before. Yeah. Without a thing to say. Everything's this. Yeah, you might not have ever been an eagle. I know, that's insane.

Starting point is 01:40:20 I might have went to a team that didn't value athletic centers and got pushed down on the depth chart. Who knows? Yeah, no, it's crazy. That's awesome. You might have went to a team that didn't value athletic centers and got pushed down on the depth chart. Who knows? Yeah, no. That's crazy. You'd find a way. I think so. You'd find a way. I mean, I don't know. I've been blessed to be with Howard mudden just out and for a long part of my career too. And I'm believeable head coach. So awesome. Two awesome like two of the best offensive line.

Starting point is 01:40:41 With Howard. I forgot. Yeah. I was with how he was awesome, man. Yeah, man, he loved fundamentals. Yeah, he loved it. He was awesome in the sense of like, it didn't matter what conversation was happening in these, because he was in the off season. We wind it, we wind it, we wind it. He was all, he was looking at the snap or the step

Starting point is 01:41:04 or the boom, he was obsessed with fundamental, just like style. Yeah, I mean, he would, before every game, he would have every player on the offensive line do a detailed report on the guy that they were going to be against. And like what your plan of attack was to play well. And every week, if somebody didn't say it doesn't matter who we're playing, it all comes down to the detail. And like, how we do our job and like, where we put, take our feet, he was pissed.

Starting point is 01:41:30 Somebody had to say that. You can say, hey, this end has this move, this great, this guy. So we had to, as players before that meeting, yeah, okay, hey, you're doing the generic, like, detail, and all it comes down to what we're doing. So, yeah, how it was awesome. Speaking of detail, quarterback sneak. down to what we're doing. So, yeah, how are we going to awesome? Speaking of detail, quarterback sneak, we got to talk about it. The NFL is about to ban it potentially.

Starting point is 01:41:52 You don't think so? I don't think so. All right. I don't know. Arbor, at least. Everybody just says, you know, they're just pushing it. There's no coaching involved. There's no detail to it.

Starting point is 01:42:03 It's just rugby. First of all, is that disrespect for rugby players? Like, what is a rugby player? Like, what? Rugby's not entertaining enough to make it into the NFL? Like, yeah, how's the NFL takes plays from basketball from how's my lot of field about it? Is there more to quarterback sneak than what you're setting me up? Because you know, but you know what, we just went through like, I just did this. I took all our quarter know. But you know what, we just went through, like I just did this. I took all our quarterbacks, and so whether it was TV, copy, or whether it was this,

Starting point is 01:42:29 and I had all the coaching points of, hey, stop, give me your main coaching points. You know why? I did this in the season actually, because I was gonna use it for talking about a fundamentals talk and really get into like guys, you wanna know what goes into this play? I was gonna give the detail of every alignment

Starting point is 01:42:47 and give the detail of the, like, it is. Without getting into secrets, right? I mean, but like, it's the detail of every person. It's more about details in a lot of other plays because it's so condensed. Like there's no better way. Yeah, there's no, if one person messes that thing up, there's no question.

Starting point is 01:43:04 It's rough. I think about, we missed if one person messes that thing up, there's no question. It's rough. I think about we missed one one time because the guy came off the edge because the receiver, the receiver on the edge didn't step down. Remember that? And like the guy and the guy made the play, the receiver didn't step down the edge. And you guys up in the middle got all this push.

Starting point is 01:43:19 Eventually we did. It was, it took a second, we mentioned. We mentioned that. But that guy slowed it down. Right? And so it is. It's the detail of every guy, it's the detail of Jalen and how he pushes. And I know he squats 600 pounds and we see that all the time.

Starting point is 01:43:31 And but like, it's the detail too. It's the, because you're here because you're at the highest athleticism of you guys. And then it's the detail that makes the play go. And it's every position, it's every position. But where I think it's cool is like, what's that the only thing we did off of it? We created some explosive plays off of it as well. And that's what that's what football is, right? Yeah. This team's trying to stop this play, but

Starting point is 01:43:56 they got something else as well. Yeah. And we'll have more next year off of it. And they can push too. It's not like we're the only ones pushing the linebackers or pushing on their sides. And that was your point. How is it fair that they're able to push on a quarterback sneak and we can push too. It's not like we're the only ones pushing the linebackers or pushing on their sides. And that was your point. How is it fair that they're able to push on a quarterback sneak and we can't? Exactly. Well, how is that fair? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:44:12 Right? And so we'll see what happens, but I think there's some awesomeness to it. It's awesome. Like you guys are on display. It's always about you, Isaac, and Landon. It's everybody in Jalen, but it starts right there. Yeah. It starts right there.

Starting point is 01:44:26 And every time someone's like, Hey, how are you so good at this play? I'm like, well, Jason Kelsey, Isaac, and I can't ever say, I don't say Isaac's last name, right? So every time I go, they're like, what do you think about the old line? And I go, or what do you think about your run game? I go, let me tell you why the run games work.

Starting point is 01:44:41 And Jason Kelsey, Landon Dickerson, Jordan Milotta, Lane Johnson and Isaac. And I don't want to mess up his name. And so like every time I say it like that, but it's Isaac, it's you, it's Landon, it's Jalen. All right, let's go. Yeah, it starts right there. It starts right there.

Starting point is 01:44:59 Well, you released yesterday that we had another version of that in that had Fletcher Cox theme. Yeah, I gave us built some beans. Well, I mean, it's not like it's like, yesterday that we had another version of that in that had flutter cocks theme. I gave I spilled some beans. Well, I mean, it's not like it's like, why did we never run the version with fletch? You know why? Why? That's a good question.

Starting point is 01:45:15 Yeah. Because we did this with sleigh last year. We had a play. Why do you put a defensive guy in? Well, same reason the Kansas City does something where they circle around. It's fun. It's go. It's fun. It's fun. We're trying to make it.

Starting point is 01:45:27 Right. And so we had Slay in one last year, right? And he had one, he did a couple different things. He had them in twice, but you know, they're going over adjustments this and that. And it's sometimes it's hard to predict like when you're going to do it. And so I remember it was like, it was a frantic moment for us like, Slay, Slay, Slay, they came running it and he was like, that was a frantic moment for us. Like, slay, slay, slay. They came running it and he was like,

Starting point is 01:45:46 that was ready to go in, not ready to go in. They're not standing there with all the other wide outs that aren't entered. And so we got really frantic about him. I'm like, that was, it worked. Yeah. He didn't do anything. He just did some weird motion and ran back out

Starting point is 01:45:59 but people were looking at him and then you guys, who's going bad? It could have been like a delay game. It could have, yeah. And so like, it was always on our mind. And so for whatever reason in the regular season, we're like, yes, this call is getting fletcher in there this and that.

Starting point is 01:46:13 And then in the playoffs, we're like, I don't know, do we want to do that? It's one of those things where you got to be up some scores to like, we're pretty comfortable. We're gonna do something fun. We're gonna do something fun. I still remember when we we wrapped it for the first time. He pushed Jalen before he even had the ball.

Starting point is 01:46:28 Like he was so fired up to do it. That's another. That's another one. Okay, we gotta wait till he has the ball and the snap. And then it was so much force. Like Fletches one of two guys in the NFL were noticed their grip shakes. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:46:43 Especially in his prime when he would grab you, it was like, oh man, this is an emasculating feel. And like, this guy has complete control over you right now. There's like two guys I can think of him. And for some reason, Clay Matthews had the same grip strength where they would just grab you. And like, man, this guy's got strong hands. And you had to go against him quite often.

Starting point is 01:47:01 Yeah, especially when he was a young and his career there, it happened to play a little bit more nose, and I'll back when Billy Davis was a deep at your point straight three four. And I was like, okay, we got to rip up for this play. Now, Fletcher would definitely ask me multiple times. Hey, we got the, we got the quarterback sneaking in with Fletcher.

Starting point is 01:47:16 And sometimes I, is there fired up to do it? They're fired up to do it. I think, I think on the Superb, I just lied to him. I'm like, yeah, it's in. It's in. Is it? We're good. Well, yeah, be ready big guy. Be ready. I think that the Superblog just lied to him and I'm like, Yeah, it's in. It's in. Is it? We're good.

Starting point is 01:47:26 Well, you have to be ready big guy. Yeah, great. I think that's it coach. Unless. Perfect. Do you have anything for me? Shoot. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:47:34 Yeah. Yeah. Don't make something up. No, I do. I do. I do. So then I can't let me see exactly. We sent Jason the kegs last year. Did we go two or one? One last year? We just did one. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:47:48 And you know, and that was a cool way to say. It's a lot of kegs. It's a lot. So we shouldn't send you. Is that what you're about to do? No, lower Marion is delivered. This is from Tyler. Because Tyler, I said Tyler, I said Tyler, I'm a lower Marion beverage. Lower Marion beverage. Yeah. All right. I'd like a free keg out of this as well. His deliver and Kelsey a keg of natty light next Monday. His request. My first beer I ever had was natty light. So it's one of my go-to still to the... That was a good college beer.

Starting point is 01:48:14 It was, yeah. It was a good college beer. But she'd get 30 of them for like, I think at the time it was like $12 or something like that. Right, yeah. Did you, in Ohio, you go through the drive through to get the beer. Did they have those? No. They didn't have those? No. Sort of the best. Yeah. Never have never done that. We did the drive through.

Starting point is 01:48:31 So you had the drive through you went in and there's just beer and cigarettes and cigars. And that's all you could really get there. I think you get some like chips and stuff like that too. And you get those. Was this an alliance? This is an alliance. This is an alliance. But anyway, expect the keg of beer. Perfect. The natty light. I'm gonna see if you might need to come over and help me drink. I'll definitely come over and drink it for sure. I guess I have one more question that I've kind of genuinely always wanted to ask you. As I like think about like what's next, right? I've always thought coaching, right? And whether it's at the, I think I know now whether it's at the high school or

Starting point is 01:49:09 whether I try and do something in the NFL, I want to still stay in the game. I don't know I'll never be able to leave entirely. Do you have personal advice or like what are the pros and cons of coaching in the NFL? Yeah, I mean, I think the pros is exactly what you said. You're you're around it. You can't shoot. You'll be able to do this until you're 45, like Brady, but like you save yourself. I can't do this anymore, or in my case, I wasn't good enough to do this at this level, but I can help other people. Well, you're missing a calf. I didn't play after that.

Starting point is 01:49:36 Did you? But I am, I'm missing half a calf. But like, I think that's the thing, like you can help your servant, right? You've helped serve guys to help them accomplish everything you ever wanted to accomplish. Like that's special, right? And then it's, we talk about this all the time.

Starting point is 01:49:53 Like it's the relationships that don't, you're always that, you're still part of a team, right? You're still part of a goal to win and to get better every day. And so you have these relationships with these guys. Like that's the huge pro of it, right? And shoot, like those are the two things that come to my mind right away, right?

Starting point is 01:50:12 And you're obsessed with it, right? You're obsessed with like, I don't have any other hobbies. Yeah, I don't like to play golf. I don't do any of that. One of my favorite things to do is is like go home, spend time with the kid, like in the office season.

Starting point is 01:50:23 Yeah, go home, spend time with the kids, right? Whether off season. Go home, spend time with the kids, right? Whether I'm doing some, we're usually playing some sort of sport or whatever, you know, eat dinner, spend time with my wife on the couch. And then, you know, once we've, we've talked and we're gonna put on a show, put on the show, boom, laptop on, and now I'm watching something. I don't want watching something on, on football. On this screen, on this screen, here's, here's desperate housewives. And then everyone's on the phone comes up

Starting point is 01:50:45 and then you got three screens going. Desperate housewives. That didn't even think that's a show. There's the Kardashians is up here. Right? Kardashians up here. Brett's a big Kardashians. She watches the Kardashians.

Starting point is 01:50:56 She's a reality TV show. She likes right reality TV. I'd be like, what the hell is this? I don't know. I was just like, so she'll watch that. And I watch, I'm watching it too, you know what I'm like. But like, and then I'm watching whatever quarterback sneak fundamentals, whatever it is.

Starting point is 01:51:11 Like that's what I like to do. So, but anyway, you get to do, continue to do what you like to do. The cons, right, is the time. It's always about the time away from the family, but it doesn't have to be. As long as when you're home, you're home. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:51:26 Like your present. You're watching. You had already been home and now you're watching the Kardashians and now you're watching this. That's okay. That's part of bonding, right? That's part of bonding. And so we'll break.

Starting point is 01:51:35 You believe that Kim is doing, yeah. What Brett used to do for me when we were dating and she would be like, she would take the notebook and I would watch the game after the game. And I'd say, all right, number, number, I was coaching receivers at the time, bow 82, minus, tell him that I want him and that she was writing the notes down

Starting point is 01:51:58 and then that went away once we got married. She didn't want to do that anymore. What a, but it is a big switch. I'll write it down. I'm done writing it down. I ask her pretty much, I say once a month, I'm like, will you describe for me in this? She's like, no.

Starting point is 01:52:13 I mean, a little bit. And so, but it's time away. It's the hard thing, but I know how much my kids, I know how much that was when they stood on that podium at the NFC Championship game and we hugged. And this and that, like, and I know how much that was when they stood on that podium at the NFC Championship game and we hugged and this and that like, and I know how I felt like having a dad like that was a high school coach that I was always having access. Hey guys, do you want to go to the high school gym to to run around and play and then be like, I know I got a He's a Keese, I know like I

Starting point is 01:52:39 have a Keese, I actually did that for my son's baseball team last year. Something like, well, I don't know if it got rain or what something went down. Took the end to into the indoor and we were throwing the grounders and this and that. So there's negatives of not not being there, but that's just about your choice too. I'm like, Hey, when I'm there, I'm there and then look at all these perks that you grew up, that you're going to grow up with having. Yeah. Yeah. So that's having. Yeah. Yeah. So that's awesome.

Starting point is 01:53:06 Yeah. Shoot. Thanks for having me, bro. No, thanks for coming on. And if Brett's a reality TV fan, make sure you guys avoid catching Kelsey with my brother. It's a tremendous. Oh, shit. For God's help.

Starting point is 01:53:16 No, I'm watching it. I'm watching it. Is it on Netflix? It's on something. I'm sure it's in the digital verse somewhere. Oh, I appreciate your attention. Thanks for having me. That's fun.

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Starting point is 01:54:26 You can find accelerator at Target, Albertson, Safeway, Quick Trip and Heavy. There it is. Nick Sireani, what'd you think, Trap? I see a coach. I see a coach. I was pumped. I wasn't expecting the guns to be out. Where the guns out the entire day. Did you ever put those freaking things away? They were only out for the Nick Sireani episode. We were in Indianapolis, thought it was a good idea to do a one interview in honor of the Pat McAfee show. You know, we're in Indy, we're in his home ground. I thought I'd get the guns out there. And then also that's a dog dog culture shirt. Yeah, Nick

Starting point is 01:55:03 Sireani preaches dog mentality all the time. So dog. Sun's out or no sun in any in the winter, guns out. You already know, man, were you nervous to, were you a little nervous? Were you weird? I'm not gonna lie. I mean, you seem like you were, you were,

Starting point is 01:55:16 you were smooth though. You didn't seem like you're too nervous. Well, yeah, Nick and I have a great relationship. It is obviously an interesting dynamic. And it was the same thing with how whenever you're interviewing somebody that's your head coach or your GM, but I got a great relationship with those guys and Nick is such a charismatic, just genuine human being. It's easy to have a conversation with them. You know it. Well, that thing was powered by our friends that accelerated drink.

Starting point is 01:55:45 As I kind of know. What um, it's, I'm drunk. I'm drunk. Yes. No, but seriously, he went over the flower speech. Dude, that was an iconic one that he got crushed for early in his career. That is really, I mean, if you look at the stats, it's, it's paid off to be a good speech.

Starting point is 01:56:06 Sensey. Sensey said that. You guys have been rolling. What is the weirdest coaching metaphor that you've ever heard? Man. I got a few good ones. I've already actually mentioned this on the podcast and it's so weird that now I use it. Uh, but whenever stout is talking about a tough run play, he says, hey, it's like pound and salt up a fat lady's ass.

Starting point is 01:56:28 And I don't know what it means. I just, I don't know what it means. I just know it's not a play we want to run. It's going to be hard. My guy Eric B. Enemy always says, you got to give ourselves a chance to have a chance. And that would always just kind of goes right over my head Because I was like well, is doesn't that just mean like give ourselves a chance like aren't you implying everything that could

Starting point is 01:56:53 Possibly happen after To have a chance Like give yourself a chance just doesn't that means having a chance after that position to have a chance. Yeah Just kind of like another way of saying that You got to give yourself a chance. I mean you got to get in position to have a chance Yeah, but the couldn't you just throw that other one? Oh, this is like a everyday thing. Yeah, it's like every day Yeah, it's like every day because fellas we have to be able able to give, give ourselves a chance to have a chance. Like you're going, you're kind of, it's ingrained in me. It's ingrained in me. This is how much it's said. It's ingrained in me. It's ingrained

Starting point is 01:57:35 in me to give myself a chance. So I have a chance. Like that's how much I've heard it. So, so this would come up like you're talking to EB, and right at like offensive meany ends, you're done for the A, you're going to dinner, and you know that if you don't get there quick enough, those chocolate chip cookies are gonna be out. And you're like, man, EB, I gotta, it's nice talking to you. I didn't give myself a chance.

Starting point is 01:57:55 I gotta go get these, I gotta give myself a chance, they have a chance. And in order to do that, I gotta go. And Nick is stealing our just turn it off and turn it back on motto for the future of the team's speeches. I tell you what, that's pretty good. One-half, turn it off, turn it on. Restart that thing.

Starting point is 01:58:13 Ribout. Turn it on. I'm glad you just reminded me of that because watching this, Nick literally asked me yesterday, we were talking about this and he wrote it down from the combine. He writes down ideas for team speeches and we were just talking about this and I had forgotten it. And I just remembered it watching this interview again, turn it off, turn it off for the team

Starting point is 01:58:33 speech. Works every single time. Works every single time. And ladies and gentlemen, if you have any problems, just reboot. All is trick in the book. Dude, so I mean, it was an unbelievable interview, let's be real did he get you the beer that he promised you he said if you're coming back you get it's right Get you the back. I got the keg sitting outside right now and luckily it's cold enough that it ain't getting warm It's untapped. I'm waiting to tap it probably the tap it this weekend on St. Patty's day That's right. Oh, yes, it's a keg of a natty light. Natty light.

Starting point is 01:59:10 I know. Oh, that's true. Listen, I know there's a lot of beer snops out there that are like natty, whoa. And listen, I love a good beer. I love a good, you know, IPA, easy IPA. I love, I like beer in general, don't matter what it is.

Starting point is 01:59:25 But if you're gonna be a keg or something, then I'm gonna have to drink a lot of, I'm gonna go with a nanny light. First beer overhead. I kinda made that mistake. There's a heavy beer out in Kansas City called Tank 7 by Boulevard and Boulevard Beer Company. And yeah, I tried to go through that in a keg.

Starting point is 01:59:45 That is the hardest because it's a heavy beer. It's a lot of spices. That's a lot of beer to be, and you don't, you know what I mean? You need something like a, like a natty light, like a bud light, something that's just smooth and crisp. Just, just, just this hair above water and it's gonna be delicious.

Starting point is 02:00:03 I can't wait, I'm gonna make a fire outside. I'm gonna invite a bunch of guys over. I just got, I got like 50 pounds of one of these cows out there in the freezer. We're gonna make a bunch of burgers and drink some natty light. It's the first beer I ever had. Actually, the first beer I ever had was Milwaukee's best,

Starting point is 02:00:18 technically. And then I was like, what is this? I don't like the taste of this at all. Yeah, that's one step above piss. I was 15 years old or 14 or whatever. And then I went ahead and had it like, so. Kids drink responsibly. One last thing from the Nick Sireon episode.

Starting point is 02:00:34 He did mention that he wanted a black on black. This is his favorite hat, our live foundation. Ooh. Underdog. Underdog. Yeah. That sweet man. Dang, when I got a kid in the house when I got a new hand that he requested and

Starting point is 02:00:47 We had a maid just because of that episode so oh, okay Okay, Coach Seriani being being a trend setter better putting on hats So we got to the black on black coach You as requested as requested. I hope you guys enjoyed that Nick Ciri on the interview. I know. I know I'm sure going to try and get my coach on here one day.

Starting point is 02:01:14 Coach, if you're listening, how about dude? So I ran in the I ran into Andy out in Indie. You have to combine. Great mood. I don't know You got the combine. Great mood. I don't know why he's in a great mood. Actually, I think I know why he's in a great mood. Probably because he has like 11 picks in the draft. Yeah, well Andy just want a snowball.

Starting point is 02:01:35 And he forgot about that. And then, you know, I think out text, I'm gonna text him. I'm just gonna take care of this. All right, well you gotta have the Indie read in. You got it, I won't bother you. Coach, I'll let Jason hit you about it. You got to do it. It's got to come from me.

Starting point is 02:01:52 I've asked a million times on the show so I might have to, if I see him, I'm a FaceTime guy. There you go. That's good way to do it. You big FaceTime guy. Yeah. Big FaceTime guy. I hate FaceTime. Well Yeah, big FaceTime guy. I hate FaceTime.

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Starting point is 02:02:49 And it's, we just appreciate you guys so much for providing us with this content and making us look good when we know we're just a bunch of dummies up here. And thank you to all the 92%ers, baby. Hey. Woo. Always appreciate you guys tuning in. And please let us know what you guys think of this episode

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