New Heights with Jason and Travis Kelce - Jim Nantz on The Masters, John Daly's Guide to Life, Moon Eras, TikTok Algorithms & More | Ep 186

Episode Date: April 8, 2026

Hello Friends and 92%ers, welcome to another episode of New Heights brought to you by AT&T!  Today, we find out if Travis is too big for the moon, why Jason’s new dog has a few names, and what the guys will be up to next week at The Masters. We’ve also got two great conversations with golf legends, Jim Nantz and John Daly. We find out how Nantz came up with his signature “hello, friends,” why he thought Travis was going to get him in trouble for insubordination, and hear some incredible stories on his decades-long broadcasting career. Later, we grip it and rip it with John Daly. John tells us why The Masters stands out amongst the majors, how his philosophy on life has remained unchanged, why his son won’t take his golfing advice, and why he’s a sneaky good football player. Finally, the guys reveal “what side of TikTok they’re on” and we reveal the final standing of the much debated REESE’S x March Madness Bracket Challenge.   Check out Jim Nantz as he calls the 90th edition of The Masters Tournament on CBS and Amazon Prime.To grip it and rip it like John Daly Check Out: www.goodboyvodka.com www.johndalycigars.comwww.dalyflavor.comWatch and listen to new episodes of New Heights every Wednesday during the NFL season and follow us on Social Media for all the best moments from the show: https://lnk.to/newheightshowYou can also listen to new episodes on Wondery, Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. ...Download the full podcast here:Wondery: https://wondery.app.link/s9hHTgtXpMbApple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-heights/id1643745036Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/1y3SUbFMUSESC1N43tBleK?si=LsuQ4a5MRN6wGMcfVcuynwSend something to the New Heights Mailbox. Don’t be weird though. C/O New Heights Productions135 E OLIVE AVE, BURBANK, CA 91502Support the show: AT&T: When the Connection Matters, it has to be AT&T. Visit http://att.com/connecttochange to learn more. AMERICAN EXPRESS: Unlocking access and elevating the fan experience–not only does it feel right, but it’s membership at its best. Terms apply. Learn more about Amex ‘s partnership with the NFL and Premium Events Collection at https://go.amex/nflINTUIT TURBOTAX: Learn more at https://turbotax.intuit.com/?cid=bn_wk_12APPLE: The all-new MacBook Neo. An amazing Mac at a surprising price. Learn more at http://apple.com/MacREESE’S: Grab REESE’S OREO® Cups today, found wherever candy is soldALLSTATE: Check Allstate first for a quote that could save you hundreds: https://allstate.com/See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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One question to Pat, we're out of here, and they're saying it on my ear, do not go another question. So I said, hey, before we go, Travis, come over here real quick. Congratulations. And this was the first time the you've got to fight. You got to fight. For your right to party. But the F in fight dragged on so long, you've got to. And I was so relieved that the word came out with an FI instead of an F, whatever.

And it was, you got to fight for your right to party. And I said, you got to. We're out of here. James Brown back to you, and you made the whole thing sing. So show open for the Nansen Daily Show, which is... This is an epic one-two combo. You want to talk about the most, like, highly regarded, like, has done it by the book is the classiest, like, nicest, straight and narrow, and then, the complete opposite.

We're saying, so on the episode. This is hilarious. This is what you get on New Heights. We get the full breath. We're going to get it all. And that's just who we're. are as people jason everything we've talked to jim about man fucking felt it in my heart man the guy he speaks to the heart he we'd share a lot of the similar similar like family and

and and desire for the love of what we do and then you know i i i fucking get it john i want to be at a bar that's in a fucking fitness center you know i want to i want there to be a treadmill while i'm drinking a guinness you know i want there to you know i want my cake and eat it too i want to to fucking smoke a sick and fucking hit a ball as far as I can. I got nothing to add. I'm right there with you. I think that's one of the, that's one of the cool things about golf just in general.

I think that is like, you know, you got your, your character like John Daley, who I think in a lot of ways is very just like unhinged. And everybody loves him for being. And everybody loves him for being who he is. And you got Jim Nance about his dialed in of a storyteller.

and, you know, touch it on all these different walks of life. And it's pretty wild that the sport has that breath. You got your muni lot with your hair down and your no rules. And then you can be in the grounds of Augusta where you got to have a jacket on the moment you step foot. And there's a lot of rules and decorum in place to protect something that's pretty sacred. So, yeah, it's a pretty awesome game for that. All right.

Let's get into this thing, dude. Welcome back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls. This is a Wondry show. Brought to you by AT&T. We are your host. I'm Travis Kelsey. This is Jason Kelsey, my big brother out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio, man, made it back to the land. So the guards get a fucking dove against the Cubs, baby. Let's go.

There you go, Travis. Subscribe on YouTube, wherever you get your podcast and follow the show on all social media at New Heights show with 1S for fun clips throughout the week. Jason, let's tell the people how amazing this show is going to be today. Oh, yeah, baby. We got another great episode for you, 92% as we're going to get out of the house. We're also going to answer some of your no dumb questions and it's Masters Week. So we got two incredible guests. Jim Nance and John Daly are here.

Quite the combo. Quite the combo. All right. Let's get right into this with a little bit of that new news. New News. All right. New News is brought to you by American Express. Travis is going to the moon.

I am. Yeah. How? NASA replied. NASA replied to one of your tweets. I don't know if you saw this. Please put this up on the screen, Brandon. I was about to say I haven't tweeted since 2010.

So it's been a while. It's been a while. Well, this is a doozy from 2010. The moon looks crazy tonight. I'm going to chill out here for a little and just visualize my success and vibe to the scenery. Yeah. I still do that often. And NASA said it's been a long time.

Long time. I hear you. I hear you, NASA. I hear what you're doing. I see what you're doing. I like what you're doing. I want to go to the moon. Well, I got bad news for you, Travis.

You're too big. That's fucking... Do you know that? Per cat, I can't see the screen on this screen, the username, but we'll just say per cat. Please let Travis know he's too big for space. Yes, there are strict height limits for astronauts to ensure they fit into the spacecraft, suits and workstations.

NASA generally requires. requires candidates to stand between 5'2 and 6 foot 3. So you are too tall, not too tall Jones, too tall trash. Too tall, Jones. Yeah. Too tall, yeah. This is, uh, this is some, some good BS right here. No way I believe that. But also, you know, this is one of the Ed Kelsey's favorite slogans, man.

You know, life isn't fair. So don't ever think it is, you don't get to do what you want to do. where you have genes such as Mama Kelsey's Blay-like jeans that make you 6-5 or 6-4 and 7-8s. Yeah, yeah, it's mostly from mom's side for sure. Yeah, you know, it's still a dream. Hopefully there's weight restrictions so I can just not even have to ever think about it. What do you think of this Artemis 2 going to going to the moon, Jason? I love it.

I'm a big fan of us going places with rockets. Well, hey, I love it. I don't know who I was listening to if it was Neil deGrasse Tyson or somebody who, you know, there's a lot of people I think are upset with the money expenditure on going to space and doing these things that they don't really see the upside in the investment. And I think that somebody way smarter in this space than me was talking about just the amount of inventions and innovations that have taken place with the human desire to go places they've never been to that NASA has gone through to make space travel safer, more

effective, more efficient. I think it's, I don't know that it's a net loss the way people think that it is. And I like discovery, right? It would have been crazy to be alive when Christopher, Columbus gave word of the new world over there in the West. Allegedly, but I hear what she's going with. What is it? Lewis Clark.

What's the other fucking Clark? Lewis and Clark. Lewis and Clark. That's what it is. Lewis and Clark going west. That's not, I don't think that's the same thing. You go it. I don't know.

All I'm saying is I'm pro discovering new stuff. I think it's cool. So you don't think we've been to the moon. Well, I think we haven't been in a while. And we've, we've kind of pushed the pause button on going and doing things in space to this degree. So I think going to the moon, I'd love to see us go to Mars. Still want to see that happen in my lifetime. I think that it's, it's awesome that we're back in the moon's orbit.

There you go. Yeah. I'm with you. I'm with you. I mean, it went up in the air, right? It hasn't shown anything come down yet. Travis, it's orbiting as we speak. Nice.

It's up there. It's epic. Can't wait to see fix. Jason, I think we all know this in-house, but you guys got a new dog. We did get a new dog. You guys are. We got a German Shepherd. Nice.

We were talking about it last week, won't we? Did that go on? Did it? We weren't recording when we talked about it. The news hadn't broken it. Kylie broke the news on her show. Oh, yeah. Of course.

Scooped us. She scooped us. All right. Well, then she can have it. Yeah, no, we got a new dog. Do you want to see it? I mean, if it's a puppy, I would love to see it. Who doesn't love puppies?

I'll go get it. All right. Oh, look at that pup. That's right. This is Frida. Frida. Or as everyone is calling Freddie. Everyone is calling her Freddie around the house.

Where did Frida come from? She's a rescue from, what is it, the SPCA? I always get that mixed up. But there's a litter that was a PCS-PCA, PCS, P-S-P-A, P-S-P-C-A, P-S-P-C-S. It's such a dick. Anyways, yeah, no, we went down. We got this beautiful dog here. Nadi!

I am calling her Gunda. Gunda. Because I like that name better. Gunda! Gunda! Sit. Gunda. Sit. Gunda. Sit, Gunda. Why are you speaking to another accent?

She's German, right? Gunda! You're telling Uncle Travis is not Gunda? It's not Gunda. It's Freddy. Freddy. Nice. I like Freddy. Freddy's a girl. Frida is a girl. Freddie is a nickname. Yes. Nice. All right. That does it for a little bit of that new news brought to you by American Express. Let's get to a little bit of that out of the house, which is brought to you by Intuit TurboTax.

It is officially tax season. Not going to lie. If you haven't gotten them in yet, you might want to get them in or get it done with TurboTax. As you're watching this, Jason and I are actually out of the house down in Augusta, Georgia, at the one and only Masters Tournament down there at Augusta National. And yeah, I'm excited about it. I think it's going to be a pretty fun experience. The last time I went, I think I mentioned this earlier, the last time I went, I went right after COVID. And there were like limited amount of people, no grandstands at all at, if any, maybe a few were up.

And it was a very mild experience, but I got to see the masters for, you know, what it was. I got to see the course in Augusta National and how it's like a botanical garden in a sense with all the azaleas and the flower pots and the trees and just the natural beauty that the place has. That was an amazing experience. But I'm pumped to see this thing at full go. Like everybody is jacked up for this master's. Everybody's, you know, excited to see if Rory can, you know, stay on top like he did last year. You know, I think there's a lot of excitement going into this one.

And I'm pumped to just hang with my friends that the group of guys that were going into it with as well as enjoy some of at least one day with Jason. I think to everybody that hasn't been to the Masters, it's just a, it's a event second and none. The way it's done, there's nothing else like it. Like, there's obviously great history in it dating back to, what, 1934. for, you know, it's special not just because of the, how incredible the course is, but how it's run by Augusta National, all the people in the hospitality, a bunch of teachers take on second jobs because they're on spring break. So a lot of the workers there are actually school teachers in the surrounding community.

There's obviously everything that happens at the course, but then outside of that, there's so many parties and events and concerts and homes that are throwing things all week long down there. It's really turned into such a week of just, I mean, festivities that it's, it's a super bowl of the of golf, you know, it's, it's, it's the biggest tournament. It's the biggest showing. It's the, it's the top players in the world that know this is the one that considers, like, determines the greatness and the greatest that have ever played this game. And there's something really beautiful with the no phones thing. And like, there's so many things that everybody goes. I mean, I went to sunrise mass this past week. And we're all taking pictures of the sunrise and it's beautiful. But the fact that you're not allowed to have your phone in there makes everybody be present in a way that's very, one, just breathtaking because you have to take in the scenery in the moments and the shots, but also that you're all doing it together. There's like just this very communal aspect of the love of golf that has every walk of life down there. you know, CEOs or guys that won their tickets in a raffle and everybody's in the same position.

And, you know, whoever puts their chair down first, that's going to be their spot. You know, that's what the tradition is. And it just, it's a really awesome event. And something that I don't think really replicates that I've seen. So I'm really excited to do that. I'm excited. Again, I keep mentioning these pimento cheese sandwiches. I'm definitely getting another one of them.

start stacking cups. I mean, I'm going to be broadcasting the part three, as everybody knows. So I'm excited to see that for the first time and to get a chance to chop it up with some of the best players in the world. I'll say this. I've had the pleasure of fucking meeting a lot of these guys on the PGA tour, man. And a lot of the guys on the live tour, it's hard to say I'm rooting for just one guy or I think this guy will win it because I don't want to shortchange anybody else that I've had, that I have like a relationship, a good relationship with. but I'm pretty fucking pumped to see this year's masters just because of, you know,

where golf is right now and how everybody, the love and the infatuation that everybody has with it. I mean, this year alone, you've seen guys like LeBron come out and just be just, the love of the game has just taken him and thrown him into the world of golf. And I think all around right now, like the excitement of golf is at a huge, is at an all-time high. And I think that's going to create a crazy and fun atmosphere for these PGA guy or these guys at the Masters that are the top in the world

to really go out there and hit some fucking amazing shots, man. And I'm fucking pumped for it. Let's go, baby. And that does it for out of the house, brought to you by Into It Turtle Tags. Thank you to our presenting sponsor, AT&T. The Masters is full of moments you can't miss that clutch putt on 16. the drama at A Men Corner and the champion slipping on the green jacket. And with AT&T as a champion partner of the Masters,

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the really cool translucent, like you could like see through it and it had the cool shapes and everything. And then it just kept evolving. It had that great built-in pong game, right, that you would go back and forth on. Dude, damn, I can, I can play that right now for hours. Yeah. Apple just launched the all-new MacBook Neo. It's an amazing Mac at a surprising price. So whether you're in school, starting something new or just want to fly through everyday tasks and apps, this is your moment.

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He's been the voice of the masters for 40 years. You know him from his time in the booth for the NCAA tournament and the NFL on CBS. He's a two-time sports Emmy winner for most outstanding sports personality. I can't do it this point. He's a member of the National Sports Media Association Hall of Fame. The only person to commentate on all four golf major. and he is the first broadcaster in history to serve as the lead, play-by-play announcer for the Super Bowl,

the NCAA men's final four, and the Masters, all in the same calendar year. Come on! 92 senators, please welcome Jim Ness! Yes, Jim, welcome to the show, baby. Well, hey, hello friends. What an introduction. My gosh, man, my head's so big right now.

I'm not going to be able to fit in the Butler cabin this week, But I am so thrilled to be on with the Kelsey brothers. Obviously, I know you both for years. I've loved being able to meet with you guys in a variety of places. I'm really proud of your story, your whole Cleveland Heights. Come on, baby. So Canton journey with a lot of stops in between. You're awesome.

And thanks for having me on, man. This is my way to start the Masters Week right here. Let's go, man. And start a whole new tradition unlike any other. Let's do it. We're so pumped up, man. Jim, thank you for even considering coming on here. We've always been huge, huge fans of your big guy, and this is really cool, man.

But you've got to tell me what's the secret to a good hello friends? Because it's so iconic. And you do it. There's nobody that does it anywhere close to you. Well, let me just say this. I never had any intention of this becoming a thing. But years ago, and I'm not trying to make this too somber, I celebrate my father. all the time. He's been gone a long time, but he battled Alzheimer's, and he was his late stages

fighting Alzheimer's a quarter century ago, and that became my line to him so that he knew I was thinking of him when I came on the air. So I just gave me chills. I know how, of course, you guys are to your mom and dad, and that became a thing at a golf event, a PGA championship, and I told him I'm going to come on the air and I'm going to say hello friends, Jim Nance here, along with time. It was Lannie Watkins, great guy. And I said, when I say that, I'm thinking of you as kind of channeling you. That's so awesome. Are you kidding me?

Said it after we came on air. And after the show, someone said, I heard you say, hello, friends. What's that all about? And I told the backstory. And they said, you ought to say that every show. So I started saying it. It took about three years before people actually said. said, you know what, you're saying that all the time.

You know, the one little footnote to this, I, there were a lot of people that were creating merch, particularly Masters Week, that had hello friends. And it looked like people thought I was doing it. I was creating it. I wasn't. And so my manager said, you ought to trademark it. So we ought to get the copyright on that. So we went through a six-month search.

and we found it. We found somebody possessed it. A negotiation took place. And the lawyer called me, and I've been writing checks to the lawyer here as he's been working on this thing. And he said, I've got some good news and bad news. We found it. We found the people to own it. They're willing to deal with us.

And I negotiated with them. And I said, look, I told you, I'll pay a lot of money for this. Yeah. It's personal. And they said, it's going to cost you $664. And I said, $664,000? And he said, no, $664. I said, wait, I paid you $25,000 to write a check for $664.

And I can't give the name away, but I can give you some hints. I bought it from a television superstar who owned it. This is. Yeah, wrote the check, the whole thing. and now I own it. So when anybody says hello friends, like you did Jason at the top, I'll give you the address,

you got to send me a check for 25. You got it. You got it. I'll bring it down to the historic Butler cabin and pay it off. Please. That's that. Are you constantly thinking about like tags and slow, like you've had so many times throughout your career

where you're in the middle of a game, and it feels like it just comes to you. Do you pre-plan a lot of these? things before the games or is a lot of it just coming natural? Let me ask you this. On the eve of games, did you ever kind of run through the game in your mind and actually see the play so vividly in your head? You felt like you were actually playing, but you were asleep and you could actually see yourself moving and how you were going to react and how you were going to perform on that play. I do the same thing before every show. It is not scripting, but I think of scenarios. I think of

what happens if Tiger wins. What's that going to feel like? What are the stories I'm going to want to get into? But those taglines, particularly at Augusta, and like I said, I've been doing it for 40 years, most of them are on the moment, organic, this is what I feel. I don't have notes in front of me. A couple of times I will have some background stories that I have written down. I want to make sure I get to it. But unlike a football game where I'm working off of spotting boards, in golf, I like to say I'm calling it from my heart.

and what I see is what I feel. And I'm going to let my heart speak. So if Rory knocks in a pot to complete the career grand slam, as we witnessed a year ago, it struck me at the time to say the long journey is over. McElroy has his masterpiece. I had not written that down. I had not gone to bed thinking exactly what I was going to say. But I kind of was noodling on the idea of masterpiece, but the words just kind of came out.

Most of the time, that's the way it is. And it's like my last Super Bowl that I called, I've had the pleasure calling seven of them was the game in Las Vegas. You know it very finely. When McColl Hardman caught the winning touchdown in overtime, I said, given it was in Las Vegas, Jackpot Kansas City. And again, I didn't have that one pre-plan.

And this is what happened after that? I went up on the victory platform and someone started singing Viva Las Vegas. I let that run out a little too long. I apologize about that. It was perfect. We've had some great moments on those platforms. Then thank you. Thank you enough for giving me those platforms, man.

Those are the ones I remember the most. One time, whatever, there was a show premiering on CBS after an AFC championship game. So, you know, you don't realize, you realize it now, but you got someone not running commentary, but a producer telling you where you need to go next. So I got up there with the Lamar Hunt Trophy, and I've got Clark Hunt, and I've got Andy over here, and I got Patrick, and you're on the outside of Patrick, and they're telling me we've got to get through this, make it really fast.

No follow-up questions, just one question to the coach, and one question to Pat, we're out of here. And we've got to get up there. They've got to get to this programming while the audience is sizable. Yeah. Kind of giving them a little nod. They know that's for them. and Patrick answers a question. And I'm looking at you as he's answering it,

letting you know I'm coming to you next. And they're saying it on my ear, do not, do not go another question. So I said, hey, before we go, Travis, come over here real quick. Congratulations. And this was the first time, you went on the,

you've got a fight for your right to party. But the F is. fight dragged on so long. I'll tell you what. It's been seven years coming, baby. I learned one thing since I've been here.

You got a fuck. And I thought, not only have I been guilty of insubordination, I've just walked into an F bomb on the CBS Television Network maybe. And I was so relieved that the word came out with an FI instead of an F, whatever. And it was, you got to fight.

for your right to party. And I said, you got it. We're out of here. James Brown back to you. And you made the whole thing sing. That's awesome. I remember the other one was the Cincinnati mayor. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I brought you in and you said, hey, you big jabroney. Shut your mouth, you big jabron. Hey, to the Cincinnati mayor. Know your role. It shuts your mouth, baby. Shout out to the rock, yeah. I have to admit, Jason, I wasn't sure. what a jabroney was at the time.

This isn't good. You had to be late 90s, early 2000s, wrestling fan to know that one. It was perfect. I've been known through my friend's parents as the worst influence on my friends because of insubordination. So thank you for trusting me on the stage with a mic. You dragged me into that, too. You're the theme of friends insubordination.

That's good. I'm happy to have that title. Do you ever find yourself, because we've all, when we were growing up or playing certain sports, you'll almost comment the game to yourself, right? Like, I remember playing basketball in the backyard. And my guard, there's 10 seconds left. Five, four, and he's hit it. He's hit the game. When you're playing golf, are you ever calling the game to yourself? Is that where you're, are you bad into it? This is hilarious. Not now. Not now, but I will call, I will call shots of the people I'm playing

with. Oh, yeah. We've seen it with those. For whatever reason, I get such a charge out of it. The other day, I was playing, I was down here at Trubodore in Tennessee, and was there with Luke Ryan and Golden Tate. And they said, hey, would you mind it? Yeah, so I did it. It ended up on Instagram. Oh, yeah. I just, which I'm fine with.

I think every kid had those voices in their head, Jase. I think we all put ourselves in that arena where the world was watching us, and we're trying to figure out what that would feel. like. And I think like take the Masters field this week, every single one of those players. Scotty Schaeffler, Rory, all of them. Bryson, I guarantee you that as young kids, they stood over four-footers on a practice putting green over and over again, obsessing with what that moment would be like. And they had someone doing the commentary in their head saying this is to win the Masters tournament. I know I did. Oh, yeah. But no more. Now, I'm

sometimes will do it because my game has fallen off a cliff. And to try to like bring a little laughter and lower expectations, I will just playing with some buddies or people for the first time. I'll walk up to the to the to the to the shot. And I'll say now, Nance looking down that right side of the fairway, Trevor. It looks like he's going to rip. I'm just trying to take the pressure off a shot that's destined to rope hook out of bounds or

bomb it right out of bounds. And now I think those voices are real for anybody that's competed at a high level. You called your first masters at 26 years old. I cannot fathom that. I was just trying to be professional and you were like the peak of like a professional at 26 year old. How did that feel? Well, truth is I was scared out of my mind.

And now all these years later, I'm 66. And this will be number 41, which will be the new record. I came into the week with 40. That's my great, Bern-Lunquist. We both had done 40. This will be my 41st. Not that anybody cares about those records. But when they entrusted me, I truly thought CBS had lost its mind.

What are you? Don't you guys realize? I was living in a dormitory just a few years ago on the University of Houston campus. What am I doing here? This is nuts. But, of course, I acted like it's no big deal. No big deal. You may not know this, but Freddie Couples and I shared a dorm room at Houston. And so, you know, he, he was great help to me on the mental side of this because he was already on the tour.

He just kept telling me when I first started at CBS, just keep what I do is that just keep saying, like a broken record, it's no big deal. It's no big deal. It's no big deal. And I got that from Fred. I got that actually when I went to New York to audition for the job. and Fred happened to be staying at my house at the time. How cool is this? You know, Freddie's getting back into the field, of course, as a past champion. And I trust you guys are just barely old enough to appreciate the greatness of Fred and how cool he was on a golf course. Oh, come on the smoothest swing in the world, yeah.

I can watch him warm up all day. Oh, coolest guy of all time. And when we arrived on the Houston campus as two of the seven freshmen for Dave Williams and his legendary golf program, which won 13 national. championships. I had nothing to do with that, by the way, but I was a lettered. But he had the freshmen come in and introduce one another, just breaking the ice. And he said, guys, I want you to stand up. Boys, stand up and just give me basically name rank and serial number and what your goal is in your life. And I was, you know, not overconfident,

but I just said, I'm Jim Nance. My goal in life is to one day work for CBS. I want to broadcast a Masters tournament. What? That was always my goal. And I love Byloid parenthetically, too, driven by that, obsessed with that idea because I love the way they broadcast the NFL. Some are all of Madden, some are all in Brookshire. That was my network.

But I love the way they presented the Masters and the NFL. So anyway, that was my declaration. The fourth guy down stood bashfully and said, I'm Fred Couples or I'm from Seattle, Washington, and one day I want to win the Masters. And do you know, we're going to win the Masters? And do you know, we ended up to the same dorm sweet. The coach was a genius. We have Blaine McAllister in our dorm,

room with Blame, one of my all-time closest friends. He won five tour events. And John Horn, who played on the tour a couple of years. So the four of us were roommates all through school. And, you know, we got to sit there and talk about a dream that had the same landing spot, Butler Cabin. Fred wanted to win it. I wanted to be in that cabin to present it.

And as weird as this sounds, I don't know this is the kind of hijinks you guys were up to at, like three-on-high high school. But we didn't practice the green jacket ceremony when we were kids in college. Of course. That's so fucking cool, man. Hell yeah. And lo and behold, in 1992, Freddie won the Masters.

And I was there to do the interview and present the green jacket. So. Getting chills, man. I had no idea, dude. Strong testament to how dreams can come true. You've got to dream big for them to come true. Speaking into existence. We'll be rooting for them over there.

I'll give them some extra mojo off the tea, baby. I'll be right there rooting them on, man, on Friday. Hell yeah. Of all the big events you call every, you talk about the Masters, what are the biggest events you've been a part of a CBS that you just like think back in your career? You know, I've been part of the CBS golf teams, like I said, for over 40 years now.

And I called 32 national championship games in college. basketball. Oh, yeah. So watching the action from Indianapolis this week, I mean, I just love it. I don't miss it. And I don't say that as any sour grapes. I needed time with my kids. And I gave it up in 2003, my own choosing, because basically the hamster wheel, and I called it, the golden hamster wheel, never ended. I was on 48 weeks a year. You know, golf, the championship game would be playing on Monday night, and I was on a flight that night into Augusta and switching gears after calling 15 games in the month of March. I just love being a part of the tournament and be able to see everything from the Fab Five through Coach K's, all the Coach K's five championships,

Yukon's program coming from nowhere to now being a dominant power. And on and on, Roy Williams, North Carolina, his time at Kansas, worked with Billy Packer for 18 years. And then, of course, Clark Kellogg, Bill Raftery, Grant Hill. The joy, man. It was an absolute joy ride. Then the NFL. Working now with Romo, we're going in our 10th year or this year. Love Tony. We have so much fun together. He's one of a kind. And that's what makes him special is that you don't want everybody to be the same just flat X's a nose guy. He's a big kid who expresses himself as such on the air. And I find that very appealing and very authentic. It makes it fun, man. Worked with Phil Sims for a long time before that. I hosted two Super Bowls and I've called seven. So those are the main parts. We've had Olympic games.

We've had all these different sports. I called the U.S. Open tennis for years. But my primaries were always golf, the NFL, and college basketball. When I started basketball, I got asked at a news conference in New York. I was assuming the role from Brent Musburger. I was asked, do you think you'll ever be able to approach the record for longevity for play-by-play. And I said, what's the number? And they said, six. And now, these are some names from your past, even before you. But Kurt Gowdy, Dickenberg,

and Brent had all called six a piece. And I thought, if I never get to six, that would be amazing. I got the 32. I want to put that record away. Okay. So, no, it was a gift. I'm glad the CBS wanted me to do it for that many years. I'm glad I could say when I needed to step down from it and get a few more weeks at home. But all of it's been that childhood dream. You know what that's about. It's burns. It still burns deep in the heart. It never goes away. Well, we appreciate you for jumping on that golden hansler wheel and taking us for a ride with you, man. More than anything, if I had to write the end of the script, I love the NFL, and I love being able to have the chance to do it for a few more years. But someday, as you know, you approach 70,

you're going to have to back off a little bit more. And I would like to do 51 master's tournaments. Holy cow. That sounds like a crazy number. It used to be 50. I wanted to be able to say I did 50 masters. Because again, that's that little boy still speaking inside of my head. And I mentioned that at an awards event out in California.

And this broadcaster of yesterday, one of the greats of all time, Jack Whitaker, had introduced me. And he said, I heard you say you want to do 50 masters. I said, you need to do 51. I said, why is that? He says, if you do the math, your 51st Masters, 2036, would be the 100th playing of the Masters. He said, you need to be there for that. And he said something very nice.

He said, and I think Augustine needs you to be there for that, to usher out the first century and bring in the next. So that's kind of been everything that, you know, I've thought about. for a long time. So I didn't come on your show to announce my retirement on April 14th, 2036.

We're kind of working that way. I love it. I love it. You get the opportunity to, man. We'll be at the 51st airing of the masses for you, brother.

We'd be honored. You got to fight for your right to party. Come on. Do you have any personal Mount Rushmore of Masters' moments? You got any,

like, top-tier, the ones that stand out to you the most, Yeah, I do. And I'm going to put the Freddie win in 92 in a special box over here. That was really personal because that's, again, that's like Hollywood, make-believe fantasy stuff that two kids could practice that scene of the Green Jacket presentation and actually have to do it for real. That was choking my guts out and so was he. We barely could get the words out. That was a watershed moment for me. I really truly feared if I could emotionally hold up for that.

But we both did, and I was able to get us off the air clean. And, yeah, that one's in its own category. But I've got three. One would be Jack Nichols, 1986, my first. Now, you guys weren't around to see it. Oh, I know it. Oh, I know it. It was the him, the shark, and...

Sevy. Sevy. Sevy. Tom Pite. Tom Watson, Bernhardt. I mean, it was a load of Corey Pavan. They were all jockeying. Greg Norman, like you said, they were all. in the mix. And that's when you mentioned it earlier. I was just a young kid.

Chill bumps up and down my arms. My teeth were chattering. Jack made a pivotal of birdie on my whole the 16th. And I uttered the words, the bear has come out of hibernation. I didn't know what you're not going to game from. I truly thought I'm incapable of coming up with that narrative, that clip, that caption. And I began to have doubt in my head. as the broadcast continued because we still had Sevy to come through Norman. Jack had gone out way ahead of them. And I began to think I just plagiarized a remark that someone else had said earlier in the show. We had announcers from 10 in.

So I thought, well, maybe someone down there at Eamend Corner said no one had, as it turns out. Ohio ball player, man. Shout out to Jack. To debut with Jack was crazy. And then I will go Tiger, 97. Not that it was competitive. Now, I know you boys remember that one. I called that one.

I was at the 18th by then, and I called it a win for the ages. That was one of my lines. Jason, you asked me about this earlier. That line I had pre-planned. He had a six-shot lead going into Sunday, and he was running away from the field. And I knew that clip was going to have the narrative played with it.

Forever. You know, this is a piece. This is, there's a purpose. permanence to it. It's going to be a couple hundred years from now when they come on the air with the Masters and they do the montage. That clip of Tiger winning a 97 will be on there. 100%. Drag to the history with it is the little narrative. There it is a win for the ages. So I thought about that a lot the night before. I knew it had to be short. I knew it had to like match up with the moment in a historical sense. And I'm really happy that was the line that

that we landed on. But after that, on that short list, Travis, would be Tiger again in 2019. Full circle. When he was given up for not being competitive again, and it came full circle, and now he's hugging his kids behind the 18th green, basically on the same spot where his dad had embraced him 22 years earlier. So beautiful, man. Now, that's what we are. We're storytellers. We're not spewing stats. We're trying to tell people what's inside their hearts and what this moment contextually means. And I happen to be at both of those.

I call that one the return to glory because his kids had never seen him be the champion golfer that he that he was like we knew him. And I saw them behind the 18th green. I was told earlier today they were not on property, but they were. and I just thought, what a gift to have them see their father, you know, have this encore performance. And I just kept thinking of the word glory as this was all playing out. And when he knocked in the last putt, I just said, not with a lot of exclamation, almost soulful, because he had been through the long road back.

And I just said, return to glory. It felt like it matched that moment. Yeah, but I was on that short list. And the last one I would say would be. Rory last year. The career grand slam. The ups and downs, the wild Odyssey ride

put us on Sunday when he won it, lost it, double bogey the first hole, nearly shanked at 13. Like, what's going on here? And then to rally and win in and a playoff over Rosie. Rosie, man. Storybook stuff. Those are four

iconic. Absolutely iconic. I think the 86 one came across my like Instagram feed the other day. And there was a moment where, where the shark, Norman is just like taking the deepest breath on 18 before his approach shot. And you can tell, man, that there's nothing like that tournament. You're incredible what you do, Jim. And that's why you get asked to do all these things.

And that's why people remember you and have such affection for you because you're remarkable. You're the best play-by-play person in this generation. I was thinking about this at Easter service this week. You know, you do at times no matter who you are, particularly when you're a performer. And you guys are performers. You have all kinds of things that can work against you. You know that. You have doubters.

We all have enough doubt to deal with on our own. But you have people that are second-guessers who are critics, who don't understand how hard it is to perform on a moment's notice. You're trying your best, and sometimes we fail. Sometimes the words come out upside down, or you don't capture something quite crystal clear as you should. But everybody's got an opinion. And, you know, you learn how to deal with that noise.

Yeah, yeah. I know we all make it because it's personal. So we feel like there are a lot of people at times against us. And it's not reality. No. It's just sometimes these louder voices that are maybe on social media or just plainly in the media. You know, we deal with media too. We've got all kinds of television critics out there, whether they're social or whether they're in electronic or print, whatever.

But yeah, you've learned to deal with it. And like, as a little kid, I never thought about, I'm going to have to like have people that are telling me I'm not any good for somebody's better. And I never thought about that. I was thinking about playing. I didn't realize there would be that noise. And there is a learning curve for that. And, you know, listen, I've had to deal with it for 40 years. and I think I've handled it well.

And just I've tried my best to be the person that I am. And not let that sully what otherwise has been a dream life. And you guys, I hope, realize that same thing. Whatever noise you hear, it's insignificant. Oh, yeah. It's all, it all goes away. And when when life goes on and you guys get to be my age and older, and you're still going to be doing whatever you're doing, I'm sure, at a very high level,

that bust is going to be sitting there in Canton, long past you both as being on the planet. That bust is going to be there. The criticism or the noise, that's all immaterial. It's history. You're going to, you've built a life in other realms too. Your families. Look what you've done to make your family proud. I get the biggest rise out of seeing.

how much your parents enjoy what you both are doing and how you both have supported one another. That's where I'm coming from. I appreciate that. The family to me, you know, it's everything. I was playing a video the other day. My kids were young and I'm way off on a tangent here. I love it, though. This is good stuff.

Yeah, please keep going. I was telling my kids about something. It was from four years ago, and I was three years ago. and I said, family is love and love is family. And if you're surrounded, and you understand the world is like that, and I think you guys do. I mean, I see it from the outside. I see that love in your own circles. Oh, yeah.

Yes. Jason, the amazing life that you and your family have built, Travis, what you're building and starting right there with your mom and dad and, what you've done to make Cleveland, specifically Cleveland Heights proud, that love, man, that nurturing got you to where you are. I had the same thing. Hello, friends.

I want my dad to hear me. I've been gone 18 years. I got chills right now thinking about it. I just want to make them proud. And that's when I say my feet hit the floor in the morning and I have gone through my ritual, one of those things with gratitude. it's just saying I want to make people proud.

It's the best. And I'm going to go into Augusta this week. I'm going to give it my all. Oh, you're going to make everyone proud. And I just hope I can make people proud. The people that are, my family, who I love and love his family. Well, make sure I come up to you and pinch you so you know you're not dreaming, big guy. I know what's when it comes from pinches me from behind.

I want to you have to turn around, look, I'll know it's you. When I'm playing in a big game and win or loss, you know, Jason's been at a lot of the big games. My family has been at, you know, every big game in my life. And those moments where you come out of that game and you see the ones that are there to support you, you see the ones that have been on this journey with you your entire life. And you see, you know, where it's gotten to. It's the most beautiful thing that I could have ever asked for in my life is the fact that

I have that much support from family and friends. And I remember the funniest one was coming up from that Buffalo game, where Jason jumped out of the suite and jumped back in the suite. I come up to the suite at the end of the game to celebrate my friends and family, and Jason has a shirt off still. Tony and I covered that game. Of course. You know it very well, yeah.

You caught a couple of pennies. You're right there at that end zone. You caught one. You looked up at him. But knowing you got that much support, and you make your family and your loved ones that happy when you're playing, and they get that much excitement out of, seeing you doing what you love the most, it's the best, man.

And I hear you on that, man, the gratitude and getting to be able to do what we love. And all that makes it all worth it, man. You know, the odds for what you guys have accomplished, just that's again, that gets back to that whole pinch me thing. But the odds of even being able to make it to the NFL. I mean, everybody thinks that plays it at Division I level thinks it's going to happen. You couldn't tell me and Jason that. Even with the one star connected to our names on all the high school recruiting. I didn't even have a star.

Zero stars. The picture of me was that black silhouette. You know what I mean? It is a pinch me moment whenever we look back at that. And our families have been so uniquely blessed to share and all these experiences together. And then to make other families along the way and all the friends and not like anything else. always accomplished things through the help and guidance with other people. And the teams who've been on, the coaches we've been, we've had along the way. You mentioned something earlier, Jim,

about people infusing belief. And I've said this before. I think belief is the greatest thing you can give another human being for exactly what you're saying. There's so much, you know, in your own head that you can build up with doubt and nerves and things. When somebody gives you that gift. It just, it gives you the power to overcome all of the little things that really don't mean anything. And I just love that so much. I do want to ask you, do you have a welcome to broadcasting moment? You talked about the nerves of that first masters at 26 years old. Is there something that happened maybe young in your career that was like, I'm finally doing this thing? Well, before I got the CBS, I was, uh,

I was on the Houston golf team, but I was not as passionate about trying to be a professional golfer, nor did I have the skill level, nowhere close as I was. The Boyhood Dream was the broadcasting thing. But I started working in the business when I was 20 for the CBS affiliate in Houston, the fourth largest market in the country. I was the weekend fill-in sports anchor, but it amounted to a lot of anchoring the sports broadcast. on the like 10 or 11 o'clock news, whichever time zone you're in, you know what I'm talking about. And I was still living in the dorms.

And so I was still living with all my golf guys I mentioned before. And that was, I knew that I was, as far as like where I am with my age group, being on a CBS station at 20 while you're still in college was rare. I was very fortunate. But then when graduation, I got an opportunity to be hired by. the CBS affiliate in Salt Lake City at KSL. And with that, I got to do the Utah Jazz Games. So I was 23, and I was in the NBA, calling NBA, and I was the play-by-play announcer for BYU.

The Coots! Yeah. They won the national championship in 1984, and I was doing their games with Steve Young. Oh, my gosh. Who had graduated a couple years before and was playing in the USA. for the LA Express. Oh my gosh. So we're doing a game in Provo. And the booth where we broadcast from

a Cougar Stadium was so small they've had us record our on camera opening on the field. So we knocked that out. We jumped in the press elevator for the start of the show a few minutes later. And the elevator blew a fuse. And for a quarter and a half, the elevator didn't move. Oh, my. Are you kidding me? Meanwhile, the game goes on, the show goes on. They ran a scroll at the bottom of the screen that says, we are experiencing audio difficulties. Yeah, you have no announcers.

That's an audio difficulty. That's quite the difficulty. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, just randomly, who refused, and then it started back up, and we rejoined the broadcast with about six minutes to go and a half. That was a terrifying moment. I can remember if you talked to Steve Everabon about it to this day,

you know, we were starting to get claustrophobic, to say it at least. There was a tiny panel that you can knock it out. I could lift them up if we wanted to and he could try to get out of the elevator shaft. We decided that was not a good idea. That could have presented what later became a long of the same career in San Francisco. But anyway, we had that moment. And then lo and behold, after two years, two and a half years in Utah, I got a call from a producer at CBS named Ed Goren, who later became the president of Fox Sports. great friend of mine to this day. He said, we've been taping your shows for the last month,

and you're one of five finalists for an opening at CBS Sports. I thought it was a prank call. I thought it was one of my comments, buddy. They knew this was my goal. This can't be true. Come on. I said, come on, give it up. But the next day I was on a plane to New York,

and I was auditioning in the CBS Broadcast Center against the likes of Roy Firestone, who was a famous broadcaster, had this up-close show on ESP, in, the great James Brown, and I ended up winning the audition. And within a couple of weeks, I was on the air being introduced by Brent Musburger. Holy cow. Well, thank God that elevator got working, baby.

Do you take the stairs now? Do you make sure that doesn't happen? That is a fair question. You are one of one, brother. I can't tell you what an honor it has been to listen to you, to you share these stories. What an honor it's going to be to watch you do your 41st, Masters. You've officially surpassed the amount of balls Rory had to hit. You're way past them.

Congratulations. We're all looking forward to it. Thank you for having me on. I really, truly, I was so appreciative to get the invite to come on the week of the Masters and it would mean a lot to me if even if it was just a minute if I had a chance

to express how much I appreciate both of you. In person, and this particular podcast being a guest this week down in Augusta. Jason, good luck with that, by the way. I know you're going to be great. Have a wonderful time. I'm here. Anything I'm going to do to help.

Do you have any advice? Like, what's the advice here? I mean, it's my first time. I've been to find your role for me. It's going to be an interviewer. Interviewer of players and friends and family. I'm kind of going to be boots on the ground, just talking in between holes and stuff. There's two things you're going to focus on here.

Okay. Virtually everybody in that field is going to have a caddy. that's special to them. And more likely it's going to be a family member, a child, a daughter, or even a wife. So one is, what was that experience like? And two is, how do you feel about your game going into the tournament? That's all you need to ask. Perfect. Now, maybe somebody knocks a hole in a hole in one, and you might ask them about that. But I think people want to know what the week looks like for them and what that experience was like out on the par three tournament. It's unique. We don't see anything like that the rest of the year. You don't need to dig much deeper than

that. This is a feel-good event. And you're going to be the right guy to do that. I got a third one, Jason. Don't forget, keep your shirt on. Goes without saying. Goes without saying. Yes. It's a classy event, Jason. Thank you so much for hopping on with this. Thank you, brothers. I appreciate you above. That dude was epic, man. The best. It's, I mean, the wisdom and, like, the emotion that he's in the way he's able to tell a story. I feel so dumb trying to talk to him. Gosh, dang.

He is the best, though. And he mentioned the production meetings, even in the production meetings. Like, it's just there's something about Jim that is just second and none. The way he, the way he articulates and listens, ask questions. It's like the elegance. I thought about that before with, like, Rich Eisen, like talking to him. Like, some of these guys that just are so good on television. and they have a way of conversing and, you know, saying things,

even just in regular, ordinary life that just it's incredible. It's awesome, man. And that was fucking a dream come true right there, man, getting Jim Nance on this thing, right before the Masters, man. Right before the Masters. Let's go, baby. Jason, can you do the honors? Already, our guest today is a six-foot golfer out of Dardanelle, Arkansas,

I believe that's right? He's the 1991 PJ-THAer rookie rookie of the year. He's got five PJA tour wins, two-time major champion, and he won the 2021 PNC championship with his son. And he was Travis Kelsey's co-star and Happy Gilmore, too. I wasn't a star. He was a star. Thank you, Seth, he's here to grip it and rip it. Please welcome the one and only. John, fuck you daily, baby. John, how we doing, brother? Let's fucking go.

As he cracks one, man, oh, man, where's the cowboy? I can't find one of us. That's what I love right there, man. Hell yeah. Hell yeah, brother. How are we doing? Doing great. How you guys doing? Living the dream, baby. Good. Getting fired up. Yeah. Living the dream. Travels golfing this past week. We're getting geared up for the Masters. I'm sure you are as well. Where are you at right now? You got you're in your RV? Me and honor. My girl, we just, we left Sunday night from up in California and we're just about just outside of Tallahassee. We're almost home in Clearwater. Oh, nice. Nothing wrong with a little like road trip, man. God, I haven't been on one of those in a while, man.

Fucking loving, man. I was just up in abandoned dunes, actually, up in Northern, well, Oregon, not necessarily Northern Cal, but up in Oregon, man. That's a little bit of a different place, man. The views out there are insane, but I'm not going to lie. I'm a bougie golfer now, man. I don't like to walk that much. I don't love walking that much, and that's a hell of a terrain, too.

So I was kind of, that was a fucking workout, man. That's why I got ADA. My body's too screwed up to freaking walk anymore. I hear you. So I'm going to enjoy the game. We're going to go to golf cards. That's what I'm saying. They got to get some fucking golf carts out there, man.

We got the Masters. This is amazing. The Masters is coming up. You got to come sit at Augusta. I'll be at the restaurant and bar called Top Dog. Ooh. Top Dog. Oh, man.

I can't wait to have a beer with you over there. You guys up some merch. We'll drink some John Daddy Good Boys. Smoke some John Daddy's cigars. Oh, baby. We're doing with some John Daly Mama Lou Spice, so here we go. Oh, yeah. Drick on my fries.

It does sound like a good time right there. Sign me up, man. Varying on that. We'll definitely stop out. We're all going to Augusta. What makes this tournament so special in your eyes, John? Well, it's the only major that never leaves home. It stays in the same spot every year.

The other three move around, and it's Augusta. It's, I mean, I don't know if you guys have played it with y'all's status. You should have been able to. No, it's just a very special week. You know, I played it. in it for a lot of years and had a few good tournaments there but uh you know even when i was playing i was selling my merchandise um it just gives me a chance to see the fans have a few cocktails sell some shit and uh good time what do you hold on got the little was right in it's got the eagle's

cheerleader outfit on that's a good outfit there um you just mentioned you interacting with the fans i don't know that there's any golfer that i've seen that has been more connected with his fans than you. What do you think it is about you that made that the case? For me, I always played for him. And, you know, there's no skeletons in my closet. I've never lied to him.

If I screw up, I tell him I screw up and apologize and move on. And they've been great to me. You know, it seems like everywhere I've been. It's like a home field advantage. You know, with you guys, you know, playing for the Eagles and that boy there a new three-year contract for the chief.

All right, now. Great, great fans. Your egos, man, your egos, man. When you guys are down a little bit, they, they, I've never seen fans. They'll let you know. Yeah. Yeah. They let you know.

But that's, I guess that's called loyalty. I don't know. Well, it's, it's passion. It's passion, John. You know, it's standard. Yeah. You think you take that grip it and ripet philosophy into life, too, not just on the golf course, or?

Oh, yeah, got to. Yeah, you know, I believe caffeine, nicotine, and go protein. Let's go. The simple formula. John, as one of the legendary drivers of the ball, I'm trying to get better at golf right now. I'm trying to break 80. Got a long-term goal that I want to make happen this year.

I've realized I need to improve my long game and my short game the most. I'm pretty good at my irons. What is the key to driving the ball? Like what would be your main takeaways if you want to hit it longer and preferably straighter? Would you say, are like your hard, fast rules? Yeah.

Well, I mean, for me, it's low and slow. and finish the back swing. But in golf, I mean, people always ask me how they hit it further. Well, if you hit your best drive, the best you can hit it, that's pretty much as far as you're going to hit it. Now, the good thing is it's like you guys practicing football every day, every day, consistency. You know, you get your patterns down, you get your plays down.

It's consistency. And the more you're consistent with that, the better you're going to be. But if you want to break 80, get your ass out and hit 100-yard shots in and work on your butt and chipping because that's what's what to get it done for you. steal those strokes, yeah. He's got a fucking, he's got a goddamn KFC potato wedge as a putter, man. It's like he just went to the local putt putt putt and just grabbed that thing out of the back. He's got to get up to modern day, man.

I don't know what he's doing with his putter. You know those old bullseye putters? That's what I got. I got a bullseye. Well, those are really good for fast greens, but I don't know what greens you putt on, but you need to probably get a heavier putter, like a big, like a bitnardy or something like that, they're real heavy putter that'll help you short stroke and make a lot more putts. Okay.

That's a good tip. I'm going to take that one. I'm already on a trap. No chance. This guy's fucking trash. Yeah, baby. Johnny D. I'm going to take you back to 91, man, when you won the PGA championship.

I just wanted to ask, man, you were the ninth alternate going in it to win the whole thing. Is that correct? Yeah. Man, that's crazy. Did you know going into that tournament that you were going to have like a really good chance of winner or was, were you just kind of like happy to be there? What was the mindset going into that one? Well, I was just happy to get in.

And, you know, back then, I made $162. I kept my card for 92. You make $162 grand on PJ tour. You're working in a grocery store somewhere. It's selling groceries. But I had a pretty decent year. The golf course just fit my eye. I could fly all the trouble.

And the reason I got in Nick Price, Sue had the baby. And I got it last. But anyway, he asked me of Squeaky Academy for him. I said, hell yeah, I love for Squeakia. the caddy for me and uh that's awesome squeaking you a hell of a job it was a blur because i didn't get a practice round we just went in first round second third third fourth and crazy that's wild oh my gosh grip it and rip it baby what else are you need to do you're worried about trying to fucking hit your drive straight just fucking hit it at what point did you know you were going to be a

legit professional golfer like is how wouldn't you start playing and at what point was it like oh man i'm pretty damn good at this i'm starting when i was four. I'm probably around 16 years old. I just said, this is what I want to do. I'm fat. I'm flat foot. I say I run. Football, basketball's out. I was a pretty good pitcher. I guess I could have to pitch, but, you know, I'd have to play on a major league team where the pitcher doesn't hit, which I think that would be the American League. Is that right? American League? Yeah, they don't hit. I think it's both now, but yeah, I hear you. Back then, I think it was just the National League pitchers that hit. But, uh, right. But no, I was just too slow, flat footed. And I, I

I feel like I had pretty good balance in my golf game because I'm so flat-footed. So I just got to expect it. When I was 16, I said, this is what I want to do. I will say that, man. The swing is obviously one of the smoothest of all time, man. And how much you get on your back swing is so impressive, man. It's like you're getting to the other side of your head almost. And for big guys like us, like the shoulders just don't allow us to get to that point, man.

So it's like you're like an anomaly in this world of like guys with big shoulders. that can't get their swing all the way back there. It's just, I don't even know where I'm going with. I just fucking love the goddamn swing, man. You guys are always pumping, and you're getting so strong here. You're more, well, you need to stay flexible because you catch it. Jay, you got to block those boys, man. You have to be strong.

Yep. It's tough because you get so tight, you can't get the club back. But, like, you know, quarterbacks, pitchers, hockey players, they're so flexible. They can, they can take the club back. But, yeah, you just got to, you just got to find your. your consistent drive and see how far it goes and there's work on that because that's all you can do. I mean, I used to be able to hit it a long way. Now, you know, my drives in the 90s sound like atomic bombs.

I don't even want to tell you what they sound like now. No, get out of you. I know you're still crushing. What was your furthest drive back in the, like, what was your furthest drive back in the day on tour? I'm not sure how far, but I think the longest I ever saw was somebody hit at 420. I think I had one like $399, 400. I guess I'm saying that was back with that technology. What do you think, realistically, if you were still in your prime,

with the balls today and the drivers today, what do you think you'd be hitting? It'd be scary. I mean, me and Jack Nicholas have talked about that. Just think he was really long. Just thinking of technology went up to when I was playing. I don't know. It's hard to say. I know that I hit over 200 ball speed way before when Bryce was driving.

God, damn. He was, you. Yeah. He kept getting $198, $190.99. He couldn't get there. I said, hey, dude, I did it 10 times in a row. You'll get there. With a ball on a freaking 32-8-32 being Irving King driver.

Yeah. That looks like you'll be a flat leg. What you need to do is you need to unarch your feet. You've got to get more balance. You need more flat foot into the ground. Your way to your arches. Yeah, exactly. And the arches, you're just not made for it.

Dude, how cool is it seeing your son, John Daley the second, man? How cool is it seeing him making his PGA tour debut and seeing him kind of follow your footsteps and everything? I believe he went to Arkansas. I feel like I always see him with some Arkansas gear on. Yeah, this is his last semester, fifth year senior. The team is really good. I think they're fourth or fifth in the country.

So, yeah, he hits at about 50 past me now, but he still can't outchip. You can't outchip? Yeah, we can say when I want arm him and I want to. arm chipping. He just got two hands on it. He gets so mad at me. Does your son ever push back on golf advice? If he's anything like my dad would try and coach him up in baseball and stuff like that. He never wanted to hear any of them. What's John the second like with golf advice? He'll listen to everybody but me.

Same way it goes. It's the same. It's the father's son thing now. But, you know, if I see him doing something wrong, I watch him a few tournaments, I'll tell coach. There you go. Yeah. And little John will go, dad, coach really helped me. He told me I had to get the belt out. Okay, son, that's perfect. That's awesome, man. I'm glad he's helping out a lot.

Like, D&C, if Tiger and Charity are playing, Charlie are listening to me. Yeah. When's the first time he actually beat you in a round? Oh, let's see, probably about four or five years ago. Oh, wow. Yeah. He's going into college.

Right when he's like 16. That's amazing. There you go, man. That's how you know. That's what you should be doing in life right there. when you're beating a pro. I saw that little baby girl, yours, Jay's behind you.

Hey, she's going to be beating you in golf pretty soon, too. Just trust me. So I want to get her out there. Hey, she don't got, it ain't get to be very hard. She might be able to beat me right now, I don't have to say.

You've got flexible shoulders. You famously said once, talking about your pre-round routine, that you hit balls for maybe 20 minutes, put a little bit, smoke four or five cigarettes, and then you drink three Diet Coke's and you go in for the first tea.

Some days I won't even go to the range. Is that the, still the case? I just smoke cigarettes and drink my dog. I look at a putting green or practice. Get away from the putting green. You feel like at this point in your career, you can kind of just see the tint of the,

or like the color of the green and like the layout of it and get a good feel for it just off of like putting your eyes on it? Yeah, and we play, you know, I play two to three pro ams a week too, so it's not like I'm not going to know the golf course. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Gotcha. So it's, you know, it's there.

I play enough during the week. that, you know, I need to go hit balls or beat balls all the time anymore. My body can't hold up to it anyway, 12 surgeries, bladder cancer in the last, you know, eight years. So, you know, if I went out and hit 20 puts, I got to sit down and have a cigarette and a die Coke or a John Ely Goodboy. Here we go. Get up 20 minutes and do it again. When we're young, you get hit a thousand puts without no problem at all. But I'm old.

If I knew I was going to live to be this fucking old, I'd have taken worse care of my job. Cheers to that, brother. You think there's a bit of, like, trying too hard and putting in too much work in that regard, like trying to fix it too much or especially, like, in between rounds? Well, I think it's what you guys did. After a game, you know, you've got to have that day, that night off and then go back at it. Your body's tired. You get frustrated, especially when you're tired.

But everybody's different. You know, I'm a guy that I've been, you know, gifted very natural ability, very flexible, that I didn't have to beat. a lot of balls, but I work my ass off on my short game, 150 yards in. I'd beat balls every day for that, but that's where you score. But no, everybody's a little different. I mean, you know, and these guys are working out. They're getting hurt. They're hurting themselves working out too hard. You know, they're not, they don't need to be like you guys. You've got to do it to be man-on-man and football. But golf, you just want to keep your flexibility. You want to be able to do what you can do

and don't push it too hard. Guys are getting back problems and pumping weight too long and shit. When I grew up, man, it was like, let's go play God. I was going to say you ever see a weight room growing up? Shit, no, I'm going to open up John Daily, Jim Lazium. Farage through on the treadmill, ashtray, a cup holder, green holder, corn on TV, and topless weight. Oh, my God, that's some good shit right there. I put them on, I'll put them on by fitness 24th.

I love it. I love it. Hey, I'll get a membership to that right now. Come on now. Sign me up, baby. Yearly membership. I do think you're on to something. That way in football, sometimes guys put in so much work

and they get so meticulous with everything. Their diet, weightlifting, and they forget that there's a, it's not a formulaic thing. You can try and make it that way. But at the end of the day, there is an art to it. And there's a freedom that you need to play with as well. And if you try and be a robot out there, it's just like, it doesn't work in football.

And I know golf, would think there's less factors and maybe you can be more robotic. But I bet there is a similarity there where you can't allow that to overtake your mental approach to the game. Yeah, I mean, we're the only sport that the boundaries change every day. You know, we're not playing the same field. We're, you know, even if it's the same golf course, T-boxes, they change T-boxes, they move them up back. Green, the pins are changed. You got O-Bs, you got hazards that come into play. But, you know, it's just a brutal game, man. and people don't realize it does take a toll on your body.

Like, I don't work out, I put out, but it's taking a toll on my game on my body. And people, they go, it's such an easy sport. Yeah, this is a kind of a pussy sport bullshit. This is a man-on-man. It's every part of your body's got to work. And when you're repetitionally hitting that many balls, it's no different than you guys, what you guys do. It's brutal on the body. No doubt.

I get more sore playing golf than I ever did sometimes. practice. I go out there, you're walking a court, like a bunch of hills, you're going up and down. You hit a bunch of a bunch of balls and try it. I'm over 100 strokes sometimes, John. I'm using all of them I got, right? This guy gets within 50 yards and starts playing ping pong in the green, man.

The funniest line with some Brett Farver, I'm playing with them with the pro am in Memphis in August. It's 125 degrees. We're on the 15th, oh, you go, you know what, Bailey? I'd rather have a 350-pound line and just run my ass over right now. This is crazy. Seriously? I'll take one in as a the four hours of it. Yeah, man, no doubt. I was going to say golf's having like a surge of the century.

Like everybody is getting into the game nowadays. And it feels like you're, you're seeing more and more content. Everybody wants to have some sort of golf show because of how fun the game is. And also just how like you can, the banter in between is it's very, it's a, it's a game you can comment on. And a game that you can, you can act within. It's, it's like everybody has these new shows and everything. Do you like how the game has been growing or is it starting to get kind of like, I don't know, it's sidetracked from what the game really is supposed to be. Oh, I love it. I mean, you know, the only thing, the only downfall is is everybody hits at 320 now to 350. That's not a downfall, but, you know, I look at kids growing up playing golf. Now, all they want to do

is go to driving range and beat a driver at 320 yards. Yeah. But a hundred yard chip shot, they're missing the green. They're duffing it. They're not, you know, doesn't matter how far you hit it, but if you ain't got a short game, what's the use? It's like having a quarterback that can't call an audible and throw a screen. Oh, I see you, big dog. You need that guy. You need that guy to be able to get some of it. If you got to sniff out that defense, man, I'm telling you.

You got to change the fucking play. No, I hear you. We actually, we got a little note in here about your high school kicker days. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, okay. He's talking. We got to go ahead.

Elias High School. Elias Crusader, Jeff City, Missouri. What? Nice. Hell yeah. So you were, so were you like, you were right on the border there? Well, so about 35 miles south of Columbia. Nice.

Yeah, I'm familiar. But that's where you went to high school. So you grew up in Arkansas and then went to high school in Jefferson City? Yeah, well, I went my sophomore and junior year. I finished my last semester, my senior year in Arkansas. Oh, okay. Yeah, I was there for a couple years. But, yeah, we went to state.

We had our first perfect season at 10 and 0 since 57. We won our first playoff game in St. St. Charles, they were just too fast. Was it just kick? I could throw it, but I couldn't run. I could punt it. Thank God I didn't have to run. I did the pomp-passing kicks when I was young, and your coach,

Oh, yeah. Big red, baby. He showed him a big thing. He looked as big as you, Jason. He looked like he was playing for the Rams at L.A. Rams at that point, yeah. He's such an awesome coach. I love him, but, yeah, I went to prompt pass and kick ways. And when I was eight, Superdome opened up at 75.

and the first person I met was Archie Manning. How about it? And I was talking about a man that if he ever had a good offensive line, he could have done something. But it was great meeting him and, you know, just getting into the – I love football. Football is my passion. Like I said, flat-footed.

And I straight on, I kick a bare-footed. Right on the nose, man. That was what I was going to ask, because I know you golf barefoot. Were you a bare-foot kicker as well? Yeah. I could kick it a lot further. I just kick it off my big toe. That's so good.

But I got something that a lot of kickers didn't get. Look up the 1992 All Madden kicker team. What? Okay. Were you on it? Look at it. I was the, John Madden hated kickers. And we were out doing a Monday night as Frank Gifford held the ball for me.

On Monday night football in San Francisco. And I kicked a 45-yard or 40-yarder. And Cout Madden was out there. And he goes, okay. I like you son and you took me on the 1992 old Madden team that's the kicker

that's so fucking good man that's my only NFL thing I can say bro that's one of the most like awarded things as a player because John obviously Madden was like the mecca of or like the best in the entire football world like he's our like savior in this world so

to get that get that nod that's pretty fucking dope but that's crazy dude the 1992 I think I'm lining up a putt or something. The card that it has is a 1992 old bat team. I think I'm lining up a putt. I can't remember what the card looks like. It was pretty cool.

I got to get that. Heck yeah. Do you have a welcome to golf moment? Like, welcome to the PGA moment. Welcome to the PGA, I think, would be probably winning the PGA. You know, most of the time people heard I could hit it kind of long. And I'd have a, you know, the group I'm playing with, the sign carrier, about five people watch me hit it.

Then they go watch somebody else back in the day. But, yeah, the PG of America was probably, I didn't realize what I did until I got to Colorado the next week. It was like 12,000 people sitting there waiting for me. Hell yeah. Like you guys were in the Super Bowl, y'all have hundreds of thousands.

But it kind of felt like that. Like, couldn't breathe, you know. It was really weird. That's crazy, man. I believe that. That's an awesome story, man. Well, John D, man, we appreciate the time. We appreciate the stories.

can't wait to run up on that fitness center you were just talking about and get a subscription for the year but we appreciate you dog thank you for jumping on with this big guy you got it I'll get y'all's address and you a bunch of these beautiful good boys non-carbonated

you do cigars and I'll send you some of my mama lose seasoning here put on everything is there a site everybody can jump on and go grab that stuff or

yeah well good boy you just go to goodboy.com You'll see the John Daly, the cigars, John Daly's cigar.com, and Mama Luz, just go to John Daly's seasoning. Hell yeah. But I'll send you guys to stuff.

We'll throw all those links in the episode too, man. Where are you at down in Augusta as well? Because we're going to make sure we run at you. What bar did you say again? I'll be there from this Saturday to next Saturday. Love it. All right. Perfect.

Top dog. Top dog. You can forget it. Top golf. Top dog. Top dog. Don't seem like a top golf kind of guy. You seem like a top dog kind of guy.

Side note, what's, Augusta's been, is really regarded for like the food and everything around there, the pimento cheese sandwich. And also what are the must, what we're going there this week? We've been before to the major. But what should we, what are the must do's if you go to the Masters as a spectator? Well, the practice rounds are the best because you can, yeah, you won't be able to take your phone in and all that stuff. They take your phone. So you just leave it somewhere. but you can see the guys practice that's what's really cool that's cool

but the best place to be is going to be a top dog just on marsden road before you go back into training there big listen you already know i'm gonna say i'm gonna eat real clean this week just so i can get out there to augusta and have a few of those those uh big games that's what i'm talking about we'll get them in trust me hell yeah you're the man big guy We appreciate the time, man. You already know, we'll try to see you next week down there in Augusta.

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All right, now it's been a minute since we've dipped into the No Dumb Questions back. So let's take a minute to dive into one. All right. This edition of No Dumb Questions is brought to you by Apple, one of our favorite companies out there because it's every device that I have around me. All right, here we go. What side of TikTok are you on?

Oh, my. I don't understand what this is. Yeah, I'm confusing this as well. It's a voicemail. It's a voicemail. I'll play it. I'll play it. But what does it mean?

What side of TikTok are you on? TikToks are on voicemails? The question's a voicemail, Jesus. Was the prompt from us? What side of TikTok are you on? Let me just play the question. It's going to make sense. I promise.

So I have a question. I always wonder what side of TikTok people are on. So that's my question. What side of TikTok are you all on? That is not related to you guys. I mean, currently I'm on the side of TikTok that doesn't watch TikTok. I only post on TikTok. I don't scroll TikTok.

She's asking if we're pro-tik-tok or against TikTok? No. She's asking us. She's basically saying that there's an algorithmic thing that steers you into a certain type of content on TikTok. And I think TikTok people understand what she's asking. But neither of us being TikTok individuals, I don't think you're going to understand this question. What's coming up on your feed is basically the question? My algorithm on Instagram Reels right now is heavy golf content.

I mean, I am getting, there's this one guy, Dan Greve, I think is his name, Greaves. has the three releases. I'm about to buy his book. You're hilarious. He's got a lot of chipping approach game advice. You don't have enough time to sit down and read, Jason. Get it on audio. Well, I mean, audio book is still getting it on getting his book.

Okay. You're so painful. But, yeah, a lot of golf content. A lot of AI videos that I have to look at for a couple seconds to see if they're AI. But of course, of course they were AI from the very beginning. Just you got to get out. early so you don't keep getting those fed to you, man. There's nothing worse than the AI.

But I'm going to go through the comment section just to make sure that it's AI. You're hilarious. Even though it's obviously AI. The AI videos are the worst, man. I know what mine are. Rodeos, guys getting slung off bulls. Otters, as we all know, there's always those like three or four like reels are just, I don't know, updates on what otters have been doing around the world.

And then just sports, everything, every sport you can think of highlights all over the fucking place. I got a lot of comedy like sketches, like little like comedy bits, like standup bits that I come across all the time. Yeah, same, same. The standup bits are always fucking entertaining to me. What else is in the algorithm? Surprisingly, not as much football as you would think. I mean, I get my fix on football with just like my love for the game. I think right now there's nothing, there's no football being played.

played. That's a good point. It's probably playing into it. Yeah. I'll get all that stuff just on like the threads and like conversations through like my like messages. Yeah. Yeah.

And we'll shop that, shop those posts around to each other more than we'll actually see it on the reels. If it has to do with sports, it's probably on the algorithm and then comedy, a bunch of shit I can just laugh at. I'm looking through it right now. I'm not getting a lot of, I was big on billiards for a little. bit. Oh.

Still get some billiard stuff. I mean, any sports stuff is kind of free. It kind of alternates probably a lot with the season, which is why I'm getting golf right now and not a lot of football. I get a lot of like do it yourself stuff. Oh, DIYs. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. A lot of like building cabins in the backyard. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's, I mean, that's huge. I love that shit. I could sit there and watch that shit all fucking day.

There's actually, there's some shit. I got to send it to you. There's a YouTube of like, but it's like, it's an hour long. Like, it just shows these guys in the middle of, like, a jungle, putting an entire, like, hotel suite with a pool. They're making this all out of clay and fucking wood. It's insane. I'm more of a YouTube deep dive.

And then, like, certain guys on that making stuff with, like, long form that I'll kind of try to get into. Once again, this edition of No Dom questions was brought to you by Apple. All right. The last thing before we wrap, let's take a final look at the standings in the new high three C's bracket challenge. Shoutouts of the 92 percenters, bracket Releaders. We are recording this Monday morning, but right now here is what we got. The women's winner, which is over, so this will be the winner.

Shout to UCLA, man. Congrats to Jenna Duncan. Ooh, very fitting. That a real last name, all right. Way to go, Jenna, winner of the Women's Bracket Challenge and then the men's leaders. It all comes down to the final. It will either be Connor or K. Mark. Yes. Good luck to both of you guys.

Connor Kamo. Whoever wins between UConn and Michigan, Michigan looked real. I'm not going to lie. Once Houston was out, I thought Arizona was going to take it. Michigan, I mean, just, Jesus. They are. But Yukon does have the juice, too. This is going to be a fun game tonight.

I'm pumped. New Heights staff updates. Men's. Jake has won the New Heights Men's Bracket Challenge. Once again, he won it last year. The loser is still Aaron. who, I mean, in some ways, did something nobody else thought possible. So congratulations.

And by not winning a single round of 32 game, something that I still can't believe. And the winner of the women's is PJ. PJ, congratulations. Way to go. And the loser is still, Travis, despite his angling to somehow blame me for him losing to everybody in New Heights's bracket. it. No, no, no, no. I didn't say it blamed you for losing. I said you cheated. I didn't say, I blame you for me losing. You still lost to everybody else in the, and I didn't cheat on the women's, the women's I actually didn't seek advice or change anything. Yeah, you're right. Mama Kelsey has

weighed in. She knows that I will exhaust every loophole possible. She very commonly did not call me a cheater though. She did not say those words. So, listen, we all know you're a cheater. Everybody in the comments in the post news that knows that you're a cheater. And I rest my case, you're a cheater. If I have to do it, you have to do it. Listen, I will do it. I will do it just because, first of all, being in a Waffle House and trying that challenge sounds fun.

But I in no way cheated. And I don't need to listen to a bunch of people who are fans of yours in the comments section accuse me. That's not how I deserve an unbiased jury, not the Travis Kelsey fan club being like, oh, yeah, you did cheat, Jason. No, you must. You must look at the comments. Most of the comments actually say that they are not fans of me and that they are huge

fans of you and that they typically side with you on everything, but you definitely cheated. I cheated in no way. I don't know what to tell these people. It's a good thing that our fans are not judges. Yeah, it's not an objective thing. It is a subjective thing. You cheated. No, it's objective that I did not cheat.

It is not subjective. It is plain and apparent. It's actually impossible to cheat in this because you hit submit and then your bracket is submitted. So there's no way for me to have cheated unless games already happened. Cheater. Shout out to everyone that participated in this year's Reesseason New Heights Bracket Challenge. We actually love doing these things. Next year we're going to go into it with a lot more details knowing that some people like to bend the rules.

We will be emailing the winners after the men's and women's finals. So please check your email after those. games if you have won. Good luck to the games tonight. Alrighty, that's a wrap up of another episode of New Heights. Thank you to Jim Nance and John Daily. Make sure you subscribe to the New Heights channel on YouTube or wherever you get your podcast.

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Thank you to all the 92% for tuning into this madness. We'll see you guys down there in Augusta. If you're going, it's going to be fun. Hold up, hold up. I did do some research because we are, are we doing the Waffle House challenge. That's what we're doing? If that's what we can agree to, we'll do it.

I don't know when we're going to record that. In L.A.? Well, there's no L.A. Yeah, it's out here, brother. You probably do it down at Augusta this week. Twist my arm. I'll come to Augusta. What are you looking for?

I did a whole, like, calorie deep dive into how many calories it would be to eat your way out of Waffle House. Okay. And I cannot find it. How many calories are in a Waffle House Waffle? A stand-of-house Waffle contains 400 calories. Oh, that was not the number I got. What did you get?

It was higher than that. I know that. All right. Well, we can sidebar on this. We're losing Travis. We're losing him. What are you? You're not losing.

I'm trying to keep going. What are you doing the calories? close. You know, the show ends when it spiritually ends. This is not really a, you just wrap this episode, I think. Just wrap on out of here. I will walk away from the computer. Come on, Jason, God damn it. We'll do this later. People don't want to watch us do math.