New Heights with Jason and Travis Kelce - Kansas City Dad Bods, Jason’s Nap Era and World Series Preview with CC Sabathia | Ep 106

Episode Date: October 23, 2024

92%ers, we are back with another episode of New Heights! In this episode, we are joined by an incredible guest MLB legend CC Sabathia! Before we get to CC, we address Jason being called out to kick for a good cause, provide an update on the ‘Heights Hotline,’ and react to the famous reactions we got from our Sisterhood of the Travelling Pants review. We’ve also got a full recap of Jason getting Outta the House at the Eras tour in Miami, Travis breaking down the Chiefs' Super Bowl rematch against the Niners, and a look at some of the best internet reactions to Pat Mahomes ‘dad bod’ TD that broke the internet. We also get into everything else from Week 7 in the NFL including Jason’s thoughts on Saquon going off against the Giants, reactions to a huge NFC North showdown, and try and explain why Jets fans might be losing their minds. Finally, we sit down for an incredible conversation with CC Sabathia. The guys get into everything from why this might be the best World Series of all time, if NFL players could make it in the majors, the hitters he’s glad to never face again, and so much more! You can listen to new episodes early and ad-free on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting http://wondery.com/NewHeightsOffer now....Download the full podcast here:Wondery: https://wondery.app.link/s9hHTgtXpMbApple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-heights/id1643745036Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/1y3SUbFMUSESC1N43tBleK?si=LsuQ4a5MRN6wGMcfVcuynwFollow New Heights on Social Media for all the best moments from the show: https://lnk.to/newheightshowSupport the Show:  PELOTON: Find your push. Find your power with Peloton at http://onepeloton.comMETA QUEST: Check out Golf+ and see what else is possible on Meta Quest. Hit up https://www.meta.com/quest for more (Golf+ for ages 13+) AG1: Try AG1 today and get their special offer of TEN, yes ten, free travel packs, AND a bottle of Vitamin D3K2 with your first purchase at http://drinkAG1.com/newheights.AMEX: Experience the powerful backing of American Express. For terms and to learn more, visit https://americanexpress.com/withamex.LOWES: Download the app http://lowes.com/hometeamFARMER’S DOG: Get 50% off your first box of fresh, healthy food at https://www.thefarmersdog.com/hewheights Plus, you get FREE shippingSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Little sexy sax. Welcome back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen. A Wondry show produced by Wave Sports and Entertainment. Yeah, baby. And brought to you by Peloton. Find your push, find your power. Push. Peloton. We're your host, I'm Travis Kelsey, this is my big brother, Jason Kelsey,

out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio, hence New Heights, and shout out to the old Bearcats. Yeah, baby. Back on the winning train, couple weeks in a row, man. We are rolling right now. How about that? It's fun watching the cats. But back to new heights, subscribe on YouTube, one g plus or

wherever you get your podcast, follow the show and also social media at new heights show that is with one s Jason, why don't you tell the people about this amazing episode? Oh, we got an incredible episode lined up here. We're gonna talk about the chief stay undefeated in the Super Bowl rematch against San Fran, say quads big return to the Meadowlands. We're also going to get into time out of the house. That's right.

In particular, my time out of the house. We're also going to be joined by legend, C.C. Sabathia. How about that, baby? Former Cleveland Guardian. To be honest, I kind of like the guards. I like the Guardians. I'm going to be very honest.

I don't think Guardians is a good team name. I get that it's the thing. The two statues. The two statues on the bridge. I would rather have been the Cleveland statues. I think that's cooler than Cleveland. I do not like the Cleveland guardians on bit. Just being honest.

I don't know about the statues, dude. The Cleveland pillars, the Cleveland stones. Like it could have been so many other things. I said guardians is a stupid name. I don't like the guardians. I don't know why. The Cleveland Stones. Like, it could have been so many other things. I said, Guardians is a stupid name. I don't like the Guardians. I don't know why. The Cleveland, Carnegie Bridge. Yeah, exactly. The Carnegie's, I mean, I don't know.

We're not gonna get in on this, man. I'm with it, man. I don't like that one. I don't like Commanders. Maybe it's just because I'm too old now that I just don't like new names. And what are other expansion names? Dude, I mean, I'm still waiting on the Utah H don't like new names. What are other expansion names?

Dude, I mean, I'm still waiting on the Utah Hockey Club to get a name, man. Just be the Yetis, man. Come on, man. Yetis would have been great. Come on. Yetis would have nailed it. The Utah Yetis?

That shit sounds sweet. And they're the Utah Hockey Club? So weak. That is such a preppy fucking name for a goddamn team. No, it's the same thing as the football team. What, do you have to go to the game? You have to go to the game in a suit and tie. You gotta have your blazer on and a goddamn team. No, it's the same thing as the football. What do you have to go to the game? You have to go to the game and like a shooting time. You got to have your blade on and a tie on.

Otherwise, you don't get into the club. No, man, it's just terrible. It's got to be just a placeholder until they find their like real name. It can't be called the fucking hockey club. Who knows? They'll probably do. Yetis is way better. Yetis is a great name. What's another expansion team recently? Oh, what's the the Kraken? That's not bad. The Kraken was sweet. Yeah, it's not bad.

I like that one. The most recent football team is the Texans. Is that the most recent expansion? Like brand new football team? I mean, other teams have moved location. Yeah, I like the name Texans. We've been through this in the last year like Texans. It's pretty good one. It's not very creative, but I like the oilers better. Yeah, garden. All right. Well, let's get a little okay. Anyways. Get to some. Let's get this show started with a little bit of new

news. That's right. New news is brought to you by Timberland and Vans. No matter like my butters. You do love your butters, man. And I got my Vans on but they look like sneakers, man. Let's start this thing off a little kicking challenge. The first bit of new news, Jason, our our episode with Pat McAfee last week, you have officially been called out by our friends at Timberland and Vans.

Been called out? Let's watch this clip. Called out for what? How you doing this is Steve Van Doren from Vans. We got famous Daniel here. We made some special shoes up right here. Check your board. Football cleats. Oh my gosh. The player I kicked in, let's see if you can kick him in your tent to match that 100K donation. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. What?

I like how he ended that video. What? He said he was famous, Dan? Do you know who that Dan was? I don't know who that guy was. Yeah, he's a big TikToker. Oh, okay. All right.

No, I'm kidding. I mean, he made it. There's no chance I'm going to make this. You don't, you can't make a field goal, Jason. No, not in Tim's. Why do you think you can't make a field goal in Tim's? Cause they're heavy ass boots and my hip flexors don't work. Cause I ripped them off the bone when I had sports hernia.

Pat McAvey just talked about how he tore his hip flexor playing soccer last week. Do you know what it's going to be like with my big goofy ass trying to kick a ball at this age? I'm not messing with you. This age? You were just in the NFL last year. And now I am not. Pat's been out for like five years.

Yeah. Let me tell you, it drops quick. I get underneath that squat bar and I'm like, I don't know what the hell I'm doing still trying to squat 315. Why the fuck are you under a squat bar? I don't know what the hell I'm doing. So trying to squat 315. Are you under a squat bar? I don't know. Just because I like hurting my back. I think I just feel it. My knees cracking while I'm

fucked. I'm a messed up individual. For some reason. I like it. I'm a little fucked up. Connor. Barwin one time punted a ball after practice and his knee was never the same. It bothered him for the rest of his career. Connor. Barwin one time punted a ball after practice and his knee was never the same. It bothered him for the rest of his career. Like, yeah, you got to understand. You can't be all quad right

there. You can't be all VMO. Yeah, you got to be a little bit. Yeah, you got to be hip flexor. You got to be everything's got to work together when you're kicking, man, because if you get high breaks, that thing if you're doing it wrong, listen, if it's for charity, I'll tear my hip flexor for charity. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about.

It's a Cleveland ball player right there. All right. I don't really know how this is going to be facilitated, whether I have to make it, what the deal is with Timberland and Vans. But the challenge is accepted. Yeah. Famous Dan. a famous Dan Stan. But I think it was Dan.

Brandon's going to type. It was famous. Dan, it was Dan. You're right. You got to give me a good turn, Brandon. Well, I'm going to have to go straight on. I can't soccer style in Tim's, right? No, no, it's got to be blue.

It's got to be blue. So like toe, right? Square toe that thing. You can get in there. Should I put like a little you know, the old square toe cleats used to make specifically for kicking? What are you talking about you talking with the steel toes that you wore during the season last year? This dude was out there in steel toed cleats It is crazy do I do have a modified cleat but it was not the flat front the way

They usually really make like a flat front It was not the flat front the way they usually literally make like a flat front Like a frame with like a little bit with a little flash card that says Like what how it was made and like how many I'm gonna make a video with Dom the cobbler at South Philly He was what he used to hook me up Dom the cobbler they put tar on it I didn't even know there were cobblers. That's funny. I thought that was like an old, that was a profession that went extinct when they invented machinery. I didn't know there were still cobblers, but there are.

Stay tuned to all the New Heights social channels and tune in next week to see what we have in store and how you can participate in this this fun charity fundraiser that involves Jason trying to make a field goal in Timberlands. Alrighty, huge announcement. We've officially started the Heights Hotline. That's right. And we want to hear from you. We're trying to figure out ways to hear from our fans and everybody out there that listens to this show on a weekly basis. We obviously appreciate you guys so much. So we've decided to create a hotline number. That's right. The number is 929-399-7260. Hopefully somebody will put that

number on the screen. Why isn't this like 1-800-NEW-HEIGHTS or something? Yeah, what does that spell? Brandon said those are hard to get. This is hilarious. Again, that's 929-399-7260. You can call in and ask us questions and we will replay the actual audio. So there's a chance you make it on the show, which I think is pretty cool. Without us just reading it. We actually hear your voice the topic for the first High top line one that will be put in the episode is going to be relationships That's right. Ask us any questions you have about relationships. Yeah, leave us a voicemail and ask to solve any issue or

Whatever question Next caller this is the latest man whatever question you have. Oh yeah, well, next caller, this is the latest man. How can I help you? We're trying to be our own Leon Phelps. This is pretty good. So yeah, the only thing left to do is record the outgoing message.

So should we do that right now? Yep. Yeah, let's go. We gotta get in. This is gonna be about relationships. What's the answering machine message? Hello, you've reached the New Heights hotline. Yeah, please leave us a message and we'll get back to you as soon as possible. With

some advice for your relationships. We are the ladies men. There's also a strong chance we don't get back to you because there's probably gonna be way too many people to get back to but rest assured we've sure do appreciate you calling. All right now, if you want to check out the Heights Hotline and see if we choose your voicemail, make sure to sign up for Wondery Plus. You'll also get early access to episodes without interruptions. And we're still giving you three months free of Wondery Plus. This Wondery Plus offer is only available for a limited time. Visit Wondry.com slash New Heights offer to redeem. If it's free, give me three. Let's keep this thing moving. We're still in the Wondry Plus realm with our film club.

All right. Now, speaking of our bonus content, last week we released our first New Heights Film Club episode. How about that? And got we, we got some fun replies from a few familiar faces. Hey, we got a shout out from Bridget herself, Blake Lively. Shout out to Blake. Um, and, uh, Blake saw our sisterhood of the traveling pants clip and posted this response on Instagram. I knew it. I knew those pants didn't have anything to do with it. I called it from the moment I saw it. These pants ain't important at all. It's just the title. That's it.

That's all it is. It didn't have anything to do with it. But Blake, thank you so much for proving me right and for offering that bit of knowledge that the author actually didn't want the pants in it but instead wanted to have some type of magical thing because of Harry Potter and so good. Yeah, it's great. Yeah, I love it. And what a great response. And we needed that. We needed that clarification. We did. We did. Blake was also not the only cast member we heard from. We also got a couple of mentions from the one and only Tibby.

That's right, Amber Tamblyn. I approve of this poster and both of you. Bunch of pants, bunch of females, bunch of hearts, exo, Tibby. Shout out to Amber. Appreciate you catching the Wondry Plus or at least hearing about it and giving your approval approval we appreciate that. Any thoughts on the next film club movie? Should it be a Thanksgiving slash holiday theme since it'll come out in November? I think we did a chick flick now we got to balance it out and do just the most masculine movie of all time. All right let's see let's take it to the 92 percenters on some Some masculine movies, maybe some Terminators, maybe some what what are some of the?

Opposite ends What movies do you guys think We can do I also want to hear what the Swifties think or like the masculine movies Man doesn't be a good Rambo. Freaking diehard. Really any 80s or 90s action movie has got to be just like commando. This would be good. This would be good. Blood Sport Bloodsport is the manliest movie that should win. I fucking love Bloodsport. God, I love that movie. I'm down to watch it. We'll see what you, I love that movie. I'm down to watch it.

We'll see what you guys say on that front. And once again, we also want to mention that new news is brought to you by our friends at Timberland and Vance. I'm about to go get some fresh butters right now. Let's talk a little out of the house. Moving on to out of the house. It's out of the house is brought to you by the powerful backing of American Express Jason got out of the house this week did I did about it this weekend? I should say in Miami and we got to talk about it. You took a nap at the arrows tour I did not take a nap. What is that all about? Travis, you know, I didn't take a nap. I did not take a nap. How are you? This show is absolutely electric

It's the greatest show that's ever been on stage and you're over here falling asleep. Not only was it the greatest show, but um, obviously I went to the two London shows. This Miami show was incredible. I think part of it's like I don't know if it's back the fact that we're back in the us because I think the London uh crowd was incredible, but the rain and everything dude it was like On another level. I text you halfway through it. Like dude, this rain, Tay is killing it.

Dude, when reputation came on and she came out in the new outfit and the rain was coming down and the place could have fucking erupted. I mean, it did. Like it was, the amount of energy was insane. It was so exciting. But back to this photo, I'm gonna give a little, I guess, background to this. So, Kylie is holding Elliot, right?

Elliot was just with me. We were dancing and I was sitting down, so I'm on the same level with her. And I'm trying not to, we're out in the middle of the open right here. And we brought a bunch of people to the show, because a bunch of people have been asking us, hey, when are you going to Taylor Swift shows? And mom went for the first time and we're trying to figure out we go out there and I realized I'm in like the middle

of the open, like it isn't like a box. It's like a close. Like I'm so I'm like, okay, I'm gonna sit down and not be I don't want like, I don't know, I feel like I'm standing I'm holding Ellie, I feel like I'm like, kind of in a fishbowl, like everybody's staring at me. So I just sit down, I'm dancing with Ellie, Ellie goes over to Kylie. And then I'm just like sitting here and I'm just like feeling it. And I'm like, oh, and I'm tapping my thigh. And I'm just like, in the moment, listening to the song. And then all of a sudden, go on Twitter and I see this fucking picture. I'm like, dude, what the fuck? Like I'm not even sleeping. And I can prove it to you. There is evidence in this photo that I'm not sleeping. You call him Bo Allen, a liar. Bo

didn't say I was sleeping. Bo did not say I was sleeping. He just posted the picture. Oh, I thought he said I thought you said you were sleeping. No. You were just feeling the groove, huh? Jets Jake, zoom in on my right hand in post. Make sure that Travis sees this. My hand is hovering. You can't sleep with your hand hovering above your knee. That is impossible. Nice.

I'm not in major pain. How am I gonna, I can't sleep with my eyes open. Much less with my hand hovering above my knee. That's because I'm slapping my leg. I was going like this. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going

to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going

to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm seriously I'm like, so I'm kind of happy again. But

this is like one of my favorite parts about the show. Because the mist of the rain had just like started to get into my face. Uh huh. Elliot was with mom. So I'm like, okay, and I'm just sitting here like, I'm tapping my leg. And I'm just in the moment. I invite Bo Allen and his mom. It's her birthday. Nice, mama Allen. Sister.

Nice. Grace. And then all of a sudden, friendly fire. Like I'm nervous about all these other people getting pictures with me and Ellie and I'm trying to have a moment. And then all of a sudden I see this. Betrayed by one of my best friends. That's how it happens.

That's not betrayal, that's just a good friend. That's just called being a friend. That's just called being a best friend. Well, I had all the FOMO in the world with the entire family and a lot of our friends being there. I had a bunch of friends that were also down by the stage that had been to a few shows overseas and they were saying the same thing that you're saying, the Miami Stadium was just on another level.

It was incredible. And it was man. I wish I was there. I wish I was there. Also there was, there was a little bit of confusion among the, uh, the Swifties. Uh, they apparently confused Kylie with Bo Allen and that is not, those aren't two people that I think ever shoes to mixed up. I'm sure Bo is flattered.

I don't know who's more disrespect than Kyle or Bo Bo that everyone thought a former nose guard in the NFL is now a female or Kylie that everybody thought you were a hairy nose guard with your arms exposed. We would like to recreate this comment section with a little dramatic reading. Travis will play the miscellaneous brewer and Jason will play shells Ray. Okay, let's go. Let's see what our voice acting skills look like.

Sound like oh god miscellaneous brewer. He's a brewer. So he's a drunk. Kylie is so beautiful down to earth. Look at those ripped field hockey arms. I mean, she's just the glue, the neck, the foundation. Kylie is giving us Midwestern mom's life. It's a great Midwestern mom voice. All right, shells. Ray response. Where do you see her arms? Lowel. Kylie is sitting in front of Donna.

Someone else is holding Wyatt. Isn't that her dancing around Jason in that cowboy hat? It looks and look at those guns. No, that's a man. That's Bo Allen. Kylie is sitting in front of Donna holding Elliot. Sorry, I put my glasses on and clearly that's not Kylie. Okay. But whoever that woman is good on those muscles. Sorry. Whoever that woman is. Yeah. And finally, we also heard from the mystery woman in question herself, Bo BBL Allen. And he said, she wishes she had this ass.

Jesus. Which I'm not going to lie. Who doesn't? I do not. I'm very happy she does not. As bootylicious as Bo Allen's behind is, I'm starting to throw up in my mouth thinking about Kylie having Bo Allen's. Well, let's keep it moving.

Then overall, did the family have a good time at the show? Everyone had a good time. Who did? Who doesn't have a good time? And everyone, not only did everybody have a good time, but everybody was has been texting over the last couple days since then. Like, dude, she's just incredible. And the show's incredible. Miami was another level of it. I'm excited for her to be back out on tour for this

like final leg of the era's run here. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty awesome. It was an incredible trip. So keep killing it. Keep killing it. Yeah. Shout out to everyone that went to the eras tour down in Miami. Special shout out to my friends that came along. Obviously, maybe KingSwifty now, Bo Allen, who knows way too many Swifty references, his sister Grace, and of course, the birthday woman herself, Susie Allen, as well as Donna Kelsey's first show, Elliot Kelsey's first show, Wyatt Kelsey's first show. It was an awesome time down there, man. It was great. Yeah. And shout out to Tay Tay for powering through a few

range shows there. Dude. Yeah. And that does it for Out of the House, brought to you by the powerful backing of American Express. All right. Let's get into some week seven recaps, starting with the chiefs, chiefs 28, 49ers, 18 in the Superbowl rematch. Uh, yeah. What are your thoughts, Trev? I mean, it's, it's tough to call it a Superbowl rematch. I mean, it's, there were different guys out there. Yeah. Different guys out there. Obviously the same organization, same head coach, a lot of the same big time players,

but our big name players, familiar faces. But at the end of the day, we had a lot of guys step up on our team, at least, that didn't play in the Super Bowl. And then on top of that, it was just a tough game, man. It was a get dirty type game. I mean, we ran the ball a lot. Kareem Hunt was getting downhill and finding extra yards after contact.

Same with my guy Carson Steele. Dun D hitting the hole like a maniac, man. And it was just, it started off a little slow for us, but I think we ended up, you know, catching some wind, feeling some confidence there and really just playing together, man. Just being accountable when your numbers called and we found ways to put up some touchdowns, man.

And that was the biggest thing going into that game as an offense was, man, when we get in the red zone, man, enough of these field goals, even though we love Harry, love Harrison Bucker and he's going to make some big field goals for us again this year, let's put up some touchdowns, man. We work our tail off to get in that red zone and then all of a sudden, you know, we settle for three and it's just, you know, let's reward ourselves by getting that ball in the end zone. And that's what we did, man.

And nobody is better at getting it in the end zone after the bye week than Andy Reid. All right. At 22 and four, he has the highest winning percentage after the bye in NFL history. What does Andy do differently than other coaches during the buy? I don't know. I'm not sure. That's his secret sauce, man. He's got the formula, man. He has a unique way to find routines that challenge everybody in the building to be accountable, if that

makes sense. He has a way to challenge the offensive line. He has a way to challenge the receivers, knowing that a lot of guys are banged up. He has a way to challenge Pat Mahomes. On top of that, he has a way to challenge the coaches to be able to put us in successful positions. I think you give him that extra week of preparation and to think about it and to like really really put a game plan together. Coach Reed does it better than anybody in my opinion. I just and and I think that record proves it. Yeah I think a lot of it like you just said is

you give, Andy's a great coach, and when you give any great coach more time to prepare they're gonna be that much more dangerous and you guys came out right from the gate and it felt like the offense was humming. I know there's some interceptions and some turnovers, but it was going. And then on top of that, I mean, we got to talk about spags. I know. Oh man. Come on now, baby.

Yeah, baby. It's a defense. We trust Brock had a rough day out there trying to throw the ball. Now he was missing some horses. You know, they've had the injury bug just like you guys have then you hate to go down in the middle of it. a rough day out there trying to throw the ball now he was missing some horses you know they've had the injury bug just like you guys have then you hate to you going down in the middle of it that was terrible i hate watching it it sucks man and uh guys are it's it's really unfortunate man this year it just seems like injuries are happening to a lot of teams

and it's like big name guys on the on on the team are getting hit with them and um yeah you just hate to see it, man, especially when they're good dudes, man. Yeah. Yeah, so that never makes it easy. But at the same time, man, that's football, brother. You gotta find a way to the next man up. He's gotta be ready.

And that's just, you know, unfortunately the game we played and the game we love, man. The Deebo Samuel has pneumonia. That sucks, man. How rare is that? I don't know that I've. Especially like right now. I feel like.

Yeah. Hopefully Dibo gets good, gets healthy quick man. You never like to hear that. For sure. Defense is dominant. They finish with three interceptions, one sack, five tackles for loss and six quarterback hits. Insane stat.

The defense hasn't allowed a 300 yard passer since the Super Bowl against the Eagles shout out Jalen hurts Ricky safety Jaden Hicks came up with one of the biggest plays of the game when he picked off Brock pretty in the fourth quarter it was Hicks his first career interception how about that Jay Hicks baby right on time man especially big time big time on on the goal line to man, you see one of those things man. That's one of those you jump off the off the bench like

stole one baby. Yeah, baby. You already talked about a cream hunt me Cole Hardman, but obviously both of those guys coming in and having big games. We talked about the nine or seven injuries. Obviously you guys been thrust with a bunch of them as well. And you guys are having guys step up. Kareem Hunt ends it with two touchdowns

on 78 yards rushing. Kareem! McColl had a couple cool design plays as well as a, what is that, a reverse or a round. A few jet sweeps, had a big punt return. McColl is just, he's always there, man. He's always ready. And for whatever reason, man, he's always there, man. He's always ready. And for whatever reason, man, he's just got the 49ers number.

Last time we were in San Fran, or San Francisco, I should say, he had a big game. I think he had something like two or three touchdowns. Big time in the return game. On top of that, he had a lot of jet sweeps as well, man. I don't know if they realized he was he's one of the jet sweep kings out here, man is what he does. You just get the ball in his hands running fast and good things are going to happen.

It's something Andy does so well, as well as the coach for the Buccaneers and Baker and what they're doing down in Tampa. They get guy they get the ball to really athletic guys in space. Like they'll take the shots down the field when they need to. But they do such a good job of, Hey, let's just get it to really fast guy in a lot of open area. Like, and it seems so simple, but like, now they're creative. He's creative with doing that. You know what I mean? Cause I mean, all that stuff can, it can get shut down if you get, if you, if you're showing any tells or correct the defense can scheme you up with that kind of stuff. But at the same time, man, yeah, get the ball in McCollard Hardman's hand. I mean, yeah, let him go ahead and rock and hand that thing off. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

If you give a fast guy space to be fast, man, we have one end around it felt like worthy was going to just absolutely take it to the house. And for whatever reason, it just like 49ers players just popped out of the sky and just like surrounded him. I was like, Yeah, I could have swore that he was going to take that to the house had to bubble just like a little bit and I feel like guys got out in front maybe a little bit too much. Yeah, you already know you never know on some of those jet sweeps and ends around end around how how that thing's timing up

because you're so focused on the defense and trying to get your guy that you just never know where the guy with the ball is. The other guy that continues to play well, even though everybody likes to highlight his touchdown to interception ratio is Pat Mahomes or Pat truck homes as you might be referred to now truck mom. I like to call it Pat Vic. Pat Vic. Yeah, using those legs baby. First, he had the longest run of his career, 33 yards scamper along the sideline at the

end of the third quarter, which if we're being honest, like he kind of used his quarterbackness to his advantage. Man, get out of here. You watch it again. That Kareem pushes the guy out of bounds. All right. Watch it again. The guy Kareem is literally over there in the flat. All right. All right. Gets away. Kareem sees 53 pushes him. He loses

balance. Okay. And then he gets in the way of 90. I'm not trying to hear this man. I'm saying to Shay. I'm sorry. I didn't see the push. I hear. I hear. I hear what everybody's saying. Some quarterbacks definitely take advantage of that. I think Pat has been pretty solid with if he's getting out of bounds, he's doing it because he can't do he can't get any more yards with his legs. He's not going to try and trick a guy of going out of bounds and then do it. It's like the old fake slide. I don't I just don't see Pat doing it. Yeah. Well, I think you're right. He definitely was pushed. He never he never looked like he was running out of bounds. He was running towards the sideline. The other guy slowed down, but that was more

because they thought that he was gonna get forced out. I think you're right. I think it's a good it's a good point out, Trav. I miss that. I hear what everybody's saying though. I get it. Sometimes quarterbacks are protected on that sideline and it can get guys to play a little bit more cautious and not just absolutely try and take his head off like, but like the good old days of football right now after the game, Pat said he didn't realize that that was his longest run. Either that I need to get my yards up because 33 is not that long. If I'm for a guy that scrambles as much as Pat,

you would think that he would have a longer one. Right? I mean, I've, I've seen them, I've seen them. I've seen them take off on some guys now. I don't really I didn't realize that 33 was as long as either. I know there was the one in the playoffs in 2019 against the Titans right before half that he he actually cut back and got in the end zone on that one. Like rumbled and bumbled and stumbled his way into the end zone, almost fumbled it. But he held on to it.

I thought that one was longer, but I guess 33, I mean, numbers don't lie, history don't lie, man. Yeah, Pat McAfee, our friend of the show, obviously, with our latest guest before this episode, had this tweet, Pat Mahomes rolling with a little Forrest Gump chip. Yeah, is that a fair, I don't think Pat really runs like Forrest.

He doesn't have any knee drive, are you kidding me? That's all that Forrest has. Forrest is robotic. Forrest, is that a fair? I don't think Pat really runs like Forrest. He doesn't have any knee driver. You kidding me? That's all that Forrest has. Forrest is robotic. Forrest has got that real high knee drive. Pat runs like he doesn't have any knees. Pat is like loosey goosey. I'll say this.

There's a meme or there's like a GIF online right now of an ostrich running away from a dog. And he's just weaving in and out. I'm just like that. I mean, that's Pat Mahomes. A little top heavy with the skinny legs and he's out, just like weaving in and out. I'm just like that. I mean, that's Pat Mahomes, a little top heavy with the skinny legs. And he's out there just kind of like leaning and it's, I mean, he's scampering though. He's out of there. The ostrich can roll now.

Dog. This is so accurate. The head is in the hip, the bro. He'd be out there sliding. It's a deceptive ass ostrichist. The head looks just like it. That's so good. Dude, you remember, I thought of Kyler Murray was doing it yesterday too, and the hips were going all over the place. It kind of reminds me of, you remember that Dak Prescott warm up that he did the one year,

and it's like hipster. He's like, he's shooting the, yeah, he's firing those things. Where the hips don't move similar to like the rest of his body. Whenever I think of Pat running,. Yeah, where the hips don't move similar to like the rest of his body. Whenever I think of Pat running, I always think of the hips. Those are immediately where I go. Chiefs linebacker Drew Trank rule on Patrick Mahomes running style. Maybe people underestimate what's under that dead bod.

Shout out to Pat. Pat Vic. Then on that same drive, fourth and one, Pat runs it into the end zone and trucks Mustafa, who I think, if we're being honest, I think he was laying the wood multiple times in the game. All game he was, yes. I knew he was going for the ball. It looked like he was trying to reach

and get the ball out of Pat's right hand and just was not ready for the contact. I don't think he was ready for it. I mean, yeah. Hey. Sometimes you gotta be a ball player. I don't think he was ready for and I mean, yeah. Hey So times you gotta be a ball player. I'll tell you what he uh, Rookie in the league guys got a lot of upside flies around. I mean I wasn't ready for him a few times He's definitely he came downhill and and and got a few of our running backs

Um, so the guys definitely got a lot of a lot of promise to be a great player for the Niners Not not that he isn't already but this was kind of his welcome to the NFL. He even said it was yeah online. So he's a good sport about it. And that's how you know you're confident that you're a good player, man. You can you can understand the Alright, listen, man, there's other good players out here. Sometimes you just get got. Sometimes you get like we've talked about everybody gets got the chiefs with that touchdown went up 21 to 12 at the beginning of the fourth quarter

Pat on the play said he wasn't even trying to lower his shoulder He's really trying to absorb the hit because he knew it was coming That dad bod man. I had enough weight on me where he just went down a lot of NFL fans ran with this comparing the bod of Mustafa and Patrick Holmes comparing the bod of Mustafa and Patrick Holmes. Dude, this is such a bad picture, Pat. Don't ever just let him live down. It's just always gonna be. My dog hadn't seen sun in like three months, man.

And then as you already alluded to, Malik Mustafa online was a good sport about it. I ain't gonna lie, I'm getting cooked. Oh yeah. Also had this special formation unleashed. Wonder how much more we're gonna see this this year with Carson Wentz out on the field, how about that? Carson baby.

So you guys go tackle over. So the center is actually, Wentz is behind the center. And Jotuny is snapping him the ball. Mahomes is behind Creed, but Creed doesn't him the ball. Yeah, the Holmes is behind Creed But Creed doesn't have the ball you're in the backfield hunt is I don't even know what position that is He's like, it's like a wing a wing, but his hands on the ground Yeah, I don't even know. I mean, this is why it's so fun. Who the hell knows what's about to happen in this formation Fred Warner knew unfortunately. Yeah, he stuffed it. I mean we got some yards don't get. Fred Warner knew, unfortunately. He stuffed it. I mean, we got some yards. Don't get me wrong. But we thought that was going to be a guaranteed

touchdown because it was just, I mean, it was, it's tough to those one-off plays when you practice them so long. This thing's been in the playbook for, I mean, a long, long time, man. And we had practiced, you know, getting that thing perfect, making the exchange smooth and getting the right guys out there. And sure enough, it's a fun way to get our guy Carson Wentz in the game, baby. I will say running at the tight end and tackle over. Normally, at least I feel like when we try to do it, you go tackle over in short yardage and like goal line situations because it's heavy man coverage. And when you have the tackle over more the man coverage guys have to go and push towards that side of the

formation. So it leads to like a huge away from it. Yeah. Yeah. But what do I know? Kareem almost, you know, strong armed his way through some tackles there. But we ended up finding a way to get that thing in the end zone. Yeah. And that's all that matters, baby. Everyone's banged up from both Super Bowl teams. It's the Niners are out. I mean, Deebo, Iuke, McCaffrey. Yeah. I don't even want to list all the guys because I think it's more than that. You guys are down people. Is the Super Bowl hangover a real thing? I mean, you guys have won back to back Super Bowls

and you guys are 6-0 right now. So I don't... Yes and no. I mean, there's definitely something about the feeling you have after a Super Bowl. You want to, first of all, you want to get that opportunity back. It burns your fucking soul that you want to get that opportunity back. And then on top of that, man, you just have to have the fortune of being successful or I mean, being have the fortune of being healthy and, and having your best players out there at the right times and then big moments and you got to find a way to win ball games. And, and you know, that's not easy, especially when you have

success, because you can get caught up in kind of some of the stuff you've done last year. The really good coaches find ways to keep it fresh, to keep it new, and keep putting their players in successful positions. And we've been lucky that we've had two of the best coordinators to ever do it, in my opinion, and Coach Reed and Spags. And obviously, I'm saying this as the entire coaching staff is chiming in on these game plans.

And it's a lot of hard work that you got to be able to go back and dig deep and fight through a lot of stuff that got you to that Super Bowl. And sometimes you just got to be fortunate and at the same time you just got to be fortunate. And it's at the same time, you just got to be ready for anything to happen, man. LeBron's stat of the game. McCole Hardman is the first player since 2020, Naeem Hines, to record 15 plus rushing yards, 15 plus receiving yards, and a 50 plus punt return yards in a single game. That is definitely a LeBron stat. Yeah. I mean, it's a shout out to Cole for getting in on the stats, man. Lebronstadt, that is. Next week, the Chiefs are away versus the Raiders. The Raiders.

The last time the Chiefs played the Raiders, as every Raiders fan in Tahoe let us know, the Chiefs lost on Christmas Day. It was like... Yeah, definitely. They were fired up to play a division rivalry that was that had got the better of them over the course of the past couple years, but They were ready to play and they they came out and they smacked this man we weren't ready for it and we got a we got to definitely make sure that we don't get complacent this week and And we come ready to play because that team That's a fiery team and they play their tails off every single day

That's a fiery team and they play their tails off every single day. Chiefs are five and oh at Allegiant Stadium since it opened in 2020. Raiders just signed former Bearcat. Yeah, Dez. Dez Ritter. I got Dez Ritter in there, man. Who is the star? Is Mintchoo? Mintchoo's been in and out.

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Meadowlands and boy was it a return I'm not even gonna say it. I don't think it was a revenge game, but I think Saquon definitely appreciated how hard everybody was blocking for him on this thing because he had a 187 total yards and the touchdown We can watch these highlights all day. I mean he was absolutely fucking rolling and just dragging guys. Yes, he was. He had 176 of that 187 on the on the ground. The suck the suck. The second most against a former team in NFL history. The first was Cedric Benson with the Bengals when he played the

Bears 189 on the ground, so. There you go. Saquon was asked about the emotions surrounding this game in his post-game interview. To be honest, I'm so happy this game is over. I don't think I should get, besides the day, any more questions about the Giants. But like I always said, I'm thankful for that organization.

They're the team that drafted me. I still got nothing but love and respect for all the guys over there, but I'm happy to be an Eagle. And that's about as classy as you can get as a player. And that's what you love to see. Yeah, man. He was also asked about seeing the fans burning his jersey. He replied, I don't think I ever experienced anything like that in my life. In that moment, I was ready for third and one. Let's just say that. Yeah, well, it might have been a little revenge game,

especially if they're out there burning jerseys. Is this even fair to call it a revenge game for Saquon? I don't know. Revenge game? I don't think it's a revenge game. I mean, it's just, he's playing his former team. It's not like, I mean, there's obviously bad blood there in In some ways but say Kwan does very adamant that he still has a love and respect for everybody in that organization

Sometimes it just doesn't work out like obviously, you know the Giants weren't willing to spend the amount necessary to keep them and that's the way the business works. And Saquon ended up signing with the Eagles. And I think it probably felt good to go out there and play really well against a team that you at one point probably envisioned playing your whole career for. And obviously with the fans, whenever fans are getting into the action,

it energizes guys. And for sure, I think he was excited to get out there and play really well. Should we encourage fans to boo owners and managers more? I think fans should do whatever they want. I think if it feels right to boo owners and managers, boo them. I don't really know the setting. I guess you could do that at games, but I don't know how that would come across.

We're booing them. But I had a tweet that obviously I said, I didn't really understand why I hate Kwan, say Kwan is getting all this hate. Hey, Kwan, hey, Kwan. Love a good wordplay, man. Fuck. Listen, I get why the fans booed him. I get, you know, he's playing for a rival. I get all that in that New York fans are upset that he playing for the Eagles.

100% get that the act like he's the bad guy in this situation or that it's his fault that this didn't work out. I think it's bogus. And I think, you know, at the end of the day, the business side of it didn't align with the Giants and Saquon. And the Giants had an opportunity to make it a line and they felt like they didn't want to. So I don't know how Saquon is a bad guy here for going out and getting what he's deserved.

I'm with you, man. And to have a star player that is a hard worker, a great guy in the locker room, unbelievable player, athletically, mentally, I just like, I don't know what else you want. I just don't know what else you want. Like, what are you trying to keep around? You love to see those guys. I get it during the rebuilding year. Either way. I really I listen, I was a part of the decision in Cleveland. When people were born were burning

LeBron's jerseys. That's a much different situation that happened here. Never been. I still got my shit. I didn't get a heat Jersey. but I got some of those heat kicks Kicks that he wore down there and I just feel like you know, I don't think this is the same situation Well, shout out to say Kwan for having a big day helped out the Eagles and uh Against his old team and shout out to the Eagles defense. Maybe the best performance of the year so far this season eight sacks Damn defense. Maybe the best performance of the year so far this season. Eight sacks. God

damn. Woo. That's a rough day for a quarterback. Um they also let up zero offensive touchdowns for the second week. Defense caught a stride baby. Um held the Giants to 119 total yards. Um big off season edition. D.N. Bryce Huff. Uh recorded recorded 1.5 sacks over the last two games since switching to a four-point

stance. How about that? Yeah. The old four-pointer. Both hands in the ground, man. He's clearly stated he prefers rushing out of a four-point stance, and that's probably making a big difference. Let's be honest, though. The reason there are more sacks and the reason Bryce Huff has played better is because they're getting teams into no-one passing situations. They're getting and long they're getting leads on offense and they're getting the opportunity to rush the passer like I Think the defense of what they've done the last two weeks has been impressive. It's also been against two like really bad offenses and Like listen man get a kid anybody When you keep teams, this is what you're supposed to do. When you play bad offenses, you're supposed to do this.

You're supposed to get eight sacks. So this is a great sign. But like in order for this to continue, four point stance, two point stance, who gives a shit? Get him in the third and long and you're gonna get sacks. Nice. That's what it comes down to, all right? And I think that Bryce Huff is playing better.

The whole D line is playing better. The Giants offensive line. I mean, they're out their best player. Thomas didn't start the game. So yeah, they're feasted. And that's a good sign. But I think the big thing is, we got to continue to do a great job on first and second down. And Vic Fangio has said this much. And we used to say it a couple years ago, you have to earn the right to rush the passer. Most of the sacks in this league are not coming on first and second down. You'll get one occasionally off a naked or like two minute situation or something like that. But the vast majority of sacks are coming in second and long, third and long, staying ahead of the chains as a defense and having the lead as an offense. And if they keep doing that, these numbers are going to

keep being pretty good. Yeah. All right. Now let's talk about some numbers that do matter. And if they keep doing that, these numbers are gonna keep being pretty good. Yeah. All right now, let's talk about some numbers that do matter and that's your fourth down success on offense. We talked about Sirianni and his fourth down call is not working, but that is not the case this past weekend.

No, not at all. Especially the fourth and three to AJ Brown. How about it baby up top. Eagles went for it on fourth and three from the 41 in the second quarter and Jaylin connected with you said at AJ Brown for 41 yards down the field. Absolutely epic man. I mean they're not expecting it. If you're trying to do something unexpected go ball on fourth and three. Everybody you want to come up on the line we still got that we still got that dog out there.

We like him one on one. I don't know if you know that. He's one of the guys we like to go to in that type of situation. Not a bad guy to go to in any situation apparently. There you go. He's out there with the pink shoes again. Gotta love the pink cleats. And then with eight minutes and 33 left in the third quarter, the birds go for it on

fourth and two on the five yard line. Jalen scrambles for four yards to get the first. And then, of course, Jalen finishes it off with a little tush push to plays later to push it in just like that. The narrative that flips now all of a sudden we like going forward on fourth down, you know, me. It's good. It's rocking. Baby, I hope about it. Birds down. You know what I mean? Shits good. Shits rocking baby. How about it? Birds fans.

Let's go. I hope people remember this because I feel like a lot of the times they're selective. People remember when you go for it on fourth and you don't get it more than when you go for it on fourth down and you do get it for whatever reason that like is entrenched in your head when you don't get points versus two fourth down decisions that led to touchdowns. Right.

And a game that ultimately without both of those decisions is much closer than the final score ended up being. Hey, they were the right calls. I don't know. It's one of those things. You go forward and you get it. It's the right call. You go forward and don't get it. You're an idiot. You should do that, dude. What are you thinking? How could you make that great job, coach? How could you make that great job coach? Lebron started the game. Saquon Barkley has the most rushing yards in Eagles history. Hey. Through his first six games of the season.

That's a pretty good one. That's pretty good. He's in good company. I mean, Shady, he was working cats for a long, long time in Philly. Shady was definitely. Shout out to Saquad. Next week, the Eagles head to Cincinnati to play the Bengals back in the natty baby.

You're going to head back to since he watched the birds man. I would love to get a little Adriaticos pizza. I don't think I have time. I think for some reason I'm going to be in Pittsburgh. Get a little Skyline chili. That's not a far. I mean

I was just back in Cincinnati this past week for homecoming. I didn't stay for the game, but I was there for the week. Get a little Skyline chili. That's not a far trip. I mean, I was just back in Cincinnati this past week for homecoming. I didn't stay for the game, but I was there for the week. Get a little Sigma Sigma in, get a little drink out of your mug or what? No, no mug. Both teams are coming off beating the Giants and the Browns in back to back weeks. It kind of seems weird that the schedule's aligned like that. Yeah, Cincinnati, man. like that. Yes, it's an adi man. There it's

I guess they're playing better It's weird. Their offense looked really good against better teams in the last two weeks. They've kind of struggled a little bit offensively Compared to what they were doing against like Washington and some of these other teams, but hey, they got Joe burrow They got some horses out there. I wide out. I think they're gonna be pretty good. Come on now So I'll be a fun you fun to have a handful for sure, man Yeah, before we get to our interview, we're gonna get to some of the other games across the league From week seven lions take down the undefeated vikings in an awesome game I mean just I didn't get to watch all of it game. Yeah Uh, it was did not disappoint The Lions have now scored more touchdowns

than Jared Goff has had in completion. That's easy. Jesus. Goff is killing it. Ben Johnson's killing it. Jameer Gibbs was playing out of his mind. What? Yeah.

And they needed him too, because Montgomery was, I mean, he got hurt early and was playing a little bit limbered, it looked like. Gibbs showed up. The timing of the offense, the creativity is just so impressive to watch right now. They're in rhythm, baby. And the Vikings, I mean, this was the clash of the Titans right now in the NFC. Both of these teams have been probably the two best ones.

We were talking about it the other day. Best division of football right now if you look at the numbers and you look at the records, right? That's right. So did not disappoint Vikings almost got it late with that fumble recovery for touchdown. They had it, man. I thought they had it when I was watching the replay of how the game ended. It's just like, oh, they're going to leave that one. Like, man, we should have won it. We should have had it. Vikings go up and then on. But to golf's credit, Detroit Lions, they did not blink. Not one second. Not a second. Denver 33, New Orleans 10. I'm not going to lie.

I thought New Orleans is banged up, obviously. Didn't have Carr back there. QB. A little Sean Payton revenge game going back to his little stomping grounds where he won a Super Bowl. September feels like a long time ago for the Saints fans. For a team that started off pretty much hotter than anybody, putting up 50 burgers and blowing teams out. But like you said, they've had the injury bug bad. They've had a bunch of guys, especially up front. And as you know, once the O line has been decimated, especially that offense, they run the it's so much predicated

on like run and play action and the outside zone working in that Kubiak system. Man, stuff, it's gonna be tough to be very tough. Jacksonville 32 New England, England 16. Nice. We almost did it same time. We're almost in sync. gave us a little coaching drama after the game. Pat's head coach, Jordan Mayo called his team soft. In quotes, we're a soft football team across the board. We talk about what makes a tough football team and that's being able

to run the ball, stop the run and that's being able to cover kicks. We did none of these. being able to stop the run and that's being able to cover kicks. We did none of these. I mean very few times do I think the head coach calling a team soft is like the right message to be sending even if it's like I'm all about being honest and keeping people accountable that defense is different. They've got they've had some injuries. They've had guys leave the obviously that

defense even last year with Bill they were we played in week one. They were really good, but they also had Jude I was still there. They had a bunch of guys healthy like now they've had some the defense has changed a little bit. They've had guys in and out and I got a ton of respect for Drodd Mayo. I mean ton of respect as a player as a person. I've heard nothing but great stuff. I'm just talking about in general terms, and he could be right. I mean, maybe they are soft. I don't fucking know. I haven't watched as much tape as Gerard Mayo has. That's for

damn sure. I just know most of the time when I hear coaches saying stuff like that, it's meaningless garbage. I hear you, brother. It's tough following a guy like Bill Belichickick shoes. Thousand percent. Maybe I'm being too up in arms about it. Maybe you're fucking spot on. Seattle 34, Atlanta 14. Seattle got some defensive players back. Geno Smith leads the NFL in passing and ranks sixth in completion percentage. How about that? On pace for 4,821 yards at a 68% rate. All right, now. Buffalo 34, Tennessee 10. Yeah, I think everybody saw this one coming. Josh Allen, 21 for 33 for 323 yards and two touchdowns.

Josh looking like Josh. And Mari Cooper, who had four for 66, got his first touchdown as a bill. Here we go. Looks like the Bills are back on track. Cincinnati 21, Cleveland 14, Nick Chubb scored his first touchdown back. Shout out to Chubb.

How about that? Get back out there, baby. Over 398 days after his leg injury and versus the Steelers, Chubb is back out there playing, running the rock for the Browns. Green Bay 24, Houston 22. In a game that came down to the wire, but really Green Bay without the turnovers kind of was dominating most of this game. First victory over a team with a winning record for the Packers. And Houston has proven to be tough. Similar to KC, they

continue to just like find ways to win. Like all their games have pretty much been close, but CJ Stroud and company are just so good at the end of games. Packers might have the hottest vibes in the NFL right now. Let's look at this tweet, piss hot. Well, their social media teams doing their job. How important is hot piss to success in the NFL? I don't even know how to answer this.

Am I the only one that kind of hates social media teams for NFL teams? Like they've turned into like these mean things. And like that's all they do with play. I like they got the cameras all around and I listen, I'm on a podcast. I'm on every fucking commercial that there is. I get it. I'm part of the issue as well. I fucking hate the social media teams for

teams now. I just, I just cannot stand them. I don't know why it's like, well, you guys just get the fuck out of my face. I'm just fucking worried about football. And then they're like talking shit to people. They're like talking shit to plays like we are shit. What the fuck? When did social media team These bullets in board material. Yeah. Don't be creating this bullets in board material. Hot piss. Yeah. Well, Matt Laflora on Packers players preparing for their first noon game of the year. He said they

gotta wake up with their piss hot. So, that's where the the social media team. Uh this one's good. They did it off of the coach. They capitalized. Good job Green Bay. Good job. Indiana 16 Miami 10. Not related to the game but dolphins are saying we could see Tua next Sunday against the Cardinals. How about it man? We were talking about this on the Monday night countdown.

Ryan Clark, like every single neurologist that they talked to, did not say like that he should stop playing football. And they all don't know to what extent continuing to play football or continuing to get concussions is doing to long-term affect him. Whether anybody else wants to talk about it, I guess I will right now. This has been the big shadow in the distance of the NFL for the last decade, ever since that concussion movie came out. The reality is nobody knows.

It is scary to watch a guy go out. Like the reality is nobody knows. It is scary to watch a guy go out and have the amount of concussions and the type of concussions that Tua's had and think that like he's not doing something long-term here. But the neurologist clearly don't know that he is. And this is one of the things. Telling him that, yeah.

This is one of the things that I think the NFL really needs to do. Like I know we're doing the Guardian caps. They're doing a great job of instituting rules and procedures in place that limit helmet to helmet contact and protocols that allow for safer return to play. I really think that there should be more research done into the longevity and effects that concussions have and ways to mitigate the potential symptoms. Because I don't know, it just feels like something that the NFL can be pioneering, especially with the amount of money that it makes and the amount of

resources and attention that it gets, that it can be a part of potentially developing treatments, protocols, lifestyle factors that can mitigate the potential long-term ramifications of some of these things that I think is in the background of a lot of NFL players minds. Yeah. Well, you just said a lot of big words and my brain is turning. And I just want to tell too, man, we're all, we're all supporting you, brother. Go out there and just play healthy, man. Play this game you love, man. And wish you the best of luck, brother. Washington 40, Carolina 7. The Red Rifle Renaissance was short-lived, unfortunately, in Carolina or has been short-lived. Got out to a fiery start, but obviously Panthers

are still not a very good football team, unfortunately. Washington 40, Carolina 7. The Panthers decline to even put Bryce Young in when they're down 37, nothing. Should they even go back to Bryce Young? I don't know if I'm Bryce Young. I don't know. Do you even want to go back in in this situation? I mean, I'd love to get the opportunity to go compete man. I mean, they just have so many issues. Hey, it's Canales's first year, and they're trying to get it fixed. Hopefully they can get it fixed in the future. I don't know. There's still a long season left.

How, dude, is it? It is, it must be so hard, like being that bad, and knowing you still have... Pfft, Jason, stop. 11 games, they're nine. 10 or 11, what are they at? What's the care, like, bro, I'm just being honest. I've played meaningless football games and it's not fun.

It is awful. But usually there's like two, maybe three at the end of the season that you're like really trying to hammer out. Week seven and you're one and six, that's a bad feeling, brother. I imagine. Let's get fired up, boys.

Fuck this. That's just. Oh, boys. Damn it. Can you imagine the guy giving pregame speeches before the game when you're one and six? There's no speeches, dog. Let's go! And you're just in your head like, dude, will you shut the fuck up? We're one and six. Let's fucking just go out there and fucking- That's tough, man.

We all know what's about to happen. Come on, man. You got the coach. Call. We can't have that mentality. We can't have that mentality, man. Why are we one in six? Good for soft Pittsburgh 37 New York Jets 15.

The controversial decision for the Steelers to start Russell Wilson over Justin Fields pays off. I mean, listen, I think Justin was playing really well. Russell got it done. I don't think it was weird. Jets have been so good defensively last few years. Now they've got their D line has changed a lot and it feels like that's affected them quite a bit.

It felt like Pittsburgh just made place like even on some of these deep balls that Russell through like there was there were some, yeah, there were some really good plays made by the white outs. So and the running backs running back as you hear, had a 101. And it was just Jay dude, he was on till now he was like on Twitter. I mean, he told us a few weeks ago, he's like, Oh, they need to hire Mike Vrabel. Then on Twitter after the game, he's like, Oh, they shouldn't go defense, they can't go defensive coach again. Like he has no idea.

The best part about this is every New York jet fan has no idea why they still suck. And they're all just trying to justify why they're still terrible. And they can't figure it out. Nobody can. You have one of the best quarterbacks ever to play the game. A defense that was supposed to be one of the best in the NFL. You just trade for Devante Adams. Careless Breeze. All this money on the offensive line, and they still can't fucking win. It's fucking crazy.

It's football, baby. You just never know. The fans, they're like they're starting to go crazy. Yeah. Well, they're not out of it. They're not. They're not Carolina Panthers yet. It's still kind of still in it.

Still kind of early. The AFC they're not Carolina Panthers yet. It's still kind of still in it. Still kind of early in the AFC East is not like the NFC NFC West or NFC North. Yeah, NFC North. Yeah, it ain't the conference that's or the division that's loaded this year. You got the bills coming on strong now. But there'll be there'll be some space in the bottom of the playoffs on the AFC side to sneak in there. And you get Aaron Rogers in the playoffs, anything can happen. Game also gave us the coach quote of the week, Brandon Marshall, stopped by Mike Tomlin's post game press conference and asked him if it was one of

the boldest decisions ever to start Russell Wilson. And Tomlin replied, that's why I'm well compensated. Nice. Hell yeah, Tom. We could just put Coach Cote of the Weekend as Mike Tomlin quote, because every week he's going to get something gold. It's the best. Dude, did you hear his quote a few weeks ago? I forget who they were playing, but it was like a Monday night or a Thursday night game. I heard it, yeah.

He hit him with the, we got to stop kicking our our own But if we if we stop kicking our own, but we can start focusing on theirs It's such a banger, it's so good he delivers it to man, it's a fucking genuine as hell so good It's the best then we got the Monday night games We got the money that games the Chargers couldn't get it done against Arizona. Kyler Murray was scampering all over the place. He is fast though any those legs. He looks and feels like he's a video game. And like everything about him like it looks like you created a player you made him as short as possible. His helmets fucking

enormous. And it just feet are moving so quick. It's so good. It's outrageous how, um, his feet, like I can't even describe it. He throws the ball. He's got like short arms and he can still throw the ball a mile. He slings it. It's fun to watch. Baltimore 41 Tampa 31 in a game that was probably not as close as the score indicated. Tampa got out to a quick lead. Baker, Mayfield, and Mellon. And then obviously Mike Evans goes down with the hamstring. And a couple interceptions unfortunately.

And against a team like Baltimore, man, it's hard. Any little bit of thing. It's hard especially when you don't stop the run. Dude, gotta stop the run. They did stop the run in the first half, though. They did a good job. First half, they were doing good. And Lamar was actually throwing pretty damn well. Well, Lamar is 23-1 against NFC teams, which is a fucking mind-blowing stat. His only loss is actually to Daniel Jones

and the New York football giants. How about that? And that does it for our week seven roundup. How about it? All righty. All right, let's answer maybe one of your not-dumb questions, because there's no such thing as dumb questions, just dumbass people.

No Dumb Questions is brought to you by meta Quest that's right expand your world. Alrighty first no dumb question. What breed of dog would make the best quarterback? Hmm, that's actually gotta be smart. It's actually a dumbass question I think I think yeah, obviously you got to be smart. You got to be able to get along with other dogs. Oh, that's an interesting, I didn't even think about that. That's a good trait. So you got to have a little bit of a friendliness to you, but you got to be, it depends on what kind of quarterback you want.

The one I thought about right away, because I always think about intelligence when I think of quarterbacks, is a border collie. And border collies, they herd sheep, like they're like in control animals. You saying they need to get along with other dogs is a great point that is making me rethink that. Would it be like a mixed breed? Well, I mean, listen, I'm a big mutzer where it's at. There's just, you got to do it responsibly. But yeah, I think mixed breeds are. When I think of dogs that get along with dogs or like anything really, I think a golden retriever, right?

They're just like the happiest dogs on the planet, nine times out of 10. Labs, German Shepherd is a powerful animal, efficient Malamute. Is that the one that like is like the secret service dog? Don't know. I think it is. It's got like the strongest bite force. Damn. But do you need to be tall? Should it be a big dog because it needs to be able to see

over the pocket? Yeah, there you go. A little bit bigger. Like great Pyrenees? I see. That's the thing. I don't know a lot of breeds. I would say poodle, but I think they're too fancy. They're too high maintenance. You know what I mean? Yeah, but the ones that I think are really good usually are down to earth and with the team. Pat's not high maintenance, you know what I mean? Yeah, but the ones that I think are really good usually are kind of like down to earth and like with the team. Like Pat's not high maintenance. Look, you've seen his body. I saw there was a bit on Derrick Henry that said he doesn't eat fried food anymore. And I'm like, man, that's why I could never be

a running back. That's just like too much of a commitment. I can't give up fried food. Yeah. I don't even think that really- Some people just love football more than me. Yeah. I don't think that means that makes you a better football player. I think that's just what he feels like his diet needs to be. I'm going to say height is important. I want a tall quarterback. I'm going Doberman.

Doberman. Smart, athletic, tall. It's got a good blend of athleticism. I don't know if those things get along with everybody, but they're always out front. I can't disagree with anything you just said. Definitely not an Irish Wolf hound. They are stupid as a box of rocks. I love my dogs. Your dogs are very- I mean, Nessie is, she's got some smartness to her. Oh, what was Balto? Balto was a husky

from the Disney movie, Balto. He's Balto. He's like the lead sled dog in the sled dog movie, Balto was a husky from the Disney movie, Balto. He's like the lead sled dog in the sled dog movie. Sled dogs are huskies, yeah. All right. Teamwork, huskies are a good team. They know how to work within a team. Then you got the one at the front that's like the captain. Yeah.

I think I'm gonna go husky. There you go. Big enough, not like overly big, pretty athletic, smart, work with the team. Yeah, I think that's the one. All right, I'm still going Doberman. All right, cool. And that does it.

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The 20th overall pick in the 1998 MLB draft from the University of Hawaii. What? He is a six time All-Star, 2007 AL Cy Young Award winner, ALCS MVP, two time MLB wins leader and a member of the Cleveland Guardians Hall of Fame, our hometown. That's right, baby. Also, don't forget this, a World Series champion. Please welcome CeeCee Sabathia. That was a hell of an intro. That was a hell of an intro. a World Series champion, please welcome CeeCee Sabathia!

Woo! That was a hell of an intro, that was a hell of an intro, appreciate it. Heck yeah, brother. This man is decorated, dog. Man, thanks for joining us, CeeCee, this is awesome. Can't tell you, I mean, we grew up watching you play and we saw your whole career. It's an honor to have you on with us. How's it going?

No, it's good. I mean, it makes me feel old when I hear people say they grew up watching me play. But you already know it. It's silly, man. I'm playing with guys. I'm playing with guys that were born in 2004, man. Crazy. That's it. So I'm like, I'm sitting here like, man, I was in high school in 2004. This is crazy. It's great. You go from being like the young guy in a locker room to like the young OG. And

then you just the OG. We're like guys are like, yeah, I mean, you were one of my guys growing up and you got I mean, it's good to be that guy. You know what I'm saying? But you got to accept it. It's cool. For sure. I was there actually when you were the young guy. The day you opened against the Baltimore Orioles, I was at that game. And I still remember it because you were the talk of the town. Coming out of nowhere, big left-hander. And bro, it was awesome looking back, being there and watching that. I don't know what's it feel like to start your major league debut? No, it was it was crazy. You know what I was thinking? I mean,

just being out there, I couldn't feel my was crazy. You know what I was thinking? I mean, just being out there, I couldn't feel my legs the whole time. Like I was like, you know what I'm saying? Like you just so hype, like you don't, you know, you don't know what's really going on. But the whole time I was thinking, I was like, damn, I should have went to sleep last night. Like it was a day game, it was a one o'clock game.

I didn't go to sleep till like five in the morning. But then I was like, in second year, I was like, I'm fucking exhausted right now. Like I should have gotten some sleep. Well, that adrenaline was pumping. That's too funny. That whole year, like 2001, I mean, that team was so great. I played with a bunch of hall of famers.

I had Robbie and Omar up the middle. Oh man. And I just felt like I got a chance to learn how to be a professional. I didn't really know anything. I was 20 years old, man. And I was fresh out of high school, a football basketball player, really just

an athlete, and kind of fell into that pitcher mode and, and it kind of took off. So yeah, I was really learning on the job and to have those type of players around me. It was it was a blessing, man. It was it was really cool. That's awesome. The 90 guards were some of my favorite teams ever. And like you were you were coming into like, kind of like to tail in a lot of those guys careers.

And it was like, man, they're about to just hand this thing off to CZs, about to take us right back to the World Series, we already know. And nah, man, it was awesome. I remember Jason talking about that Baltimore game, man, is absolutely insane. I was gonna ask you,

I had no idea you were at the University of Hawaii. Same. No, I didn't go. No, I had a football scholarship to play there. When I was in high school, I played football, played basketball, played baseball, played everything. And I could never get a school to commit to me. Like UCLA would say, okay, you can come here to play baseball, but we don't want to play football. USC would be like, we want you to play football, but we don't want to play baseball. I thought soon as I got on the campus and somebody saw me, they was going to turn me

into an offensive tackle. Yeah. But I wanted to make sure that I still could play baseball. So the guy in Hawaii was like, he will let you play badminton here. We don't give a shit. So I was like, that's where I'm going right there. So I didn't have the time to go to Hawaii and never took it. Never win. I got drafted. For sure. Well, that's a good'm going right there. So I did a signing to go to Hawaii and never took, you know what?

I was just like, I got drafted. For sure. Well, that's a good reason not to go. There's a, there's a great, we had this later in the rundown, but because we're talking about it right now, we got your highlights. Bro, you were a baller in football. We're seeing you.

Big, big as hell. He was a dog. Can you put this on here? There we go. Thank you, Branny. Check him out. Look at the big summer. Bro, I'm the same size? There we go. Thank you, Branny. Check him out. Look at the big summer. Bro, I'm the same size right now

than I was right there. Right there. No. You are enormous. I don't think you're playing tackle, bro. You're playing tight end. Nah, but you gotta think. You gotta think.

As soon as I got on, I was 250 right there. As soon as I got into pro ball, I was 285 immediately. Wow. So I woulda made for a good tackle. That's too funny, man. You are athletic as all get out, man.

Golly. What was your favorite sport? My favorite sport was football. I love playing football. What did you like so much about football? Football was always my favorite sport. I always grew up playing it out in the streets. And I just always understood football.

I could sit down and watch a whole game and I was just always intrigued by it. So I didn't get a chance to play it until I was in high school because of the weight limits and all of that stuff. Oh man, you already know. I grew up playing soccer, you know what I mean? I grew up playing soccer as a kid

and then I got to my freshman year and then just fell in love with the game of football. So it was always my favorite. They didn't have the Southpaw out there slinging it. Nah, well, I tried that man. But it was my first two years I played quarterback and then I showed up my junior year bro. I was 6'6, 250. They were like, yeah, we're going to need to put you a tight end here. You can help us out a lot more right here. I get it, man. I got a similar story before we get into the Indian stuff. Obviously everybody's talking about the World Series happening right

now. Your former team, the Yankees taking on the Dodgers. Like, I guess a step into that real quick. What do you think about the matchup? No, I think this is this is the biggest best matchup that I feel like we could have had in baseball. The biggest stars are on stage. I mean, we got Shohei Otani, we got Aaron Judge, you got Juan Soto, you got Mookie Betts, you got Walker Bueller, you got Garrett Cole. I mean, the list just goes on and on. You got New York against Hollywood. I mean, I think this is the World Series that everybody's kind of been begging for for the last 10 years, you know? And we finally got

the matchup. So I'm super excited for, you, what's to come and to be honest, just watching this these playoffs every game has been exciting, man, like even just the guardians in Yankee series. I mean, it went, you know, we went five games, but every game was was, you know, right down there to the nail guys hitting big homers. And what I've loved about this playoffs the most is like, the stars have been delivering. It's been Juan Soto delivering. It's been Aaron Judge. It's been Ohtani going off.

So, you know, we're seeing our biggest stars on the biggest stage and they're showing up and they're showing out. And I'm excited for this Friday to see, you know, these two heavyweights go at it. I am getting pumped up for it too, man. I just, I love going to World Series games, man. I think I've made it to like, six of the last seven. I think since 2001 was a 15 when

the when the Royals won it. That was like my first experience of like World Series baseball. And I was like, man, these games are fucking lit. Like it was lit in Kansas City. Like when, when, when the Yankees, when you were, what was it? Oh, nine. Yeah. When you guys won it, like how crazy were those games in the because was it was it still the was it the new stadium or was that the Oh, yeah, it was the first year in the new stadium. So it was

almost like we had to kind of win, you know, that pressure of you know, the ball spring, you know, it was that pressure of, you know, the boss, you know, he had signed me, AJ, Tex, signed for Nick, I mean, traded for Nick Swisher. So it was kind of the pressure of, you know, us wanting to win in a new stadium. But we had the whole the core four. So like at this time, somebody asked me yesterday, like, how did you feel at this time going into the World Series?

I was calm because we I just I had Derek, I had Mo, I had Andy, you had Jorge, I had all these guys that had been there before. I'm just kind of riding on their coattails. You know what I mean? Like, I kind of figured out during that year. No, but I figured out during that year that if I just did my little part and not try to do too much, I feel like, you know, it helped me be able to be better in those bigger moments. I feel like, you know, it helped me be able to be better in those bigger moments. I feel like in Cleveland, in 07, we had the best team in the league.

We were young. I was the leader of that staff. And I feel like if I pitched better, and if I'm able to, you know, put stuff, you know, if I'm able to make those moments a little smaller and, you know, be able to show up bigger in those moments, we won the World Series. So that's why I was just, you know what I mean? Like trying in those moments we were in the world series so that's why I was just you know what I mean like trying to learn from those experiences

in 07 and 08 and then 09 I'm just like I'm just riding behind these guys and doing my little thing and you know end up you know with a ring. Man I feel you on that one and I ended up obviously sticking around in KC but like learning from the moments that I had previous in the playoffs man it's like you look at those moments like man man, I could have, I had control of that. If I could have just tweaked it here, if I could have showed up for my guys right here, right here, man, you just, you just know that you could have, you could have definitely propelled the team and you know, that's the greatness that you, uh, that you bring to the game, big dog.

But that's me with the city of Cleveland though, you know, in that, in that organization, because I feel like it's just been starving for a World Series, and 07 we were closed, 16 they were closed. 16, yeah. But that team in 07 was really, really good, and who knows, we may stay together. I may not end up a Yankee

if we win the World Series in 07. You know what I'm saying? Like, you never know how stuff turned out. You know what I'm saying? Let's be honest though, they didn't have the pocketbooks to keep them. We never know how stuff turned out. You know what I'm saying? So they didn't have the pocketbooks to keep it. You never know. You're lying, man.

World Series check's a little different now. You never know. That's fair. Let me ask you this, because Philadelphia, the Phillies have been close the last few years. You were just talking about the locker room and the core four. What is it that enables a team that has like the talent to do it between getting it done and not getting it done? What

do you really think that is in baseball specifically? It's just momentum to be honest. If you look at like the Phillies running into the Mets, it was just they played them at the wrong time. Hot bats. And then sometimes when you play those teams in your division, you look at the Phillies when they beat Atlanta a couple of years ago when Atlanta was the best team in the league. When you go in and play teams in your division in the playoffs, like the Mets don't care about going into Philly. You know what I'm saying?

That's a big advantage for the Phillies. Like going into Citizens Bank and like having to play, you know, in that park, the Mets do that shit all the time. So it doesn't bother them. They can go in there in October and show up and hit big home runs. So it makes it hard when you play those teams in your division.

And I think those three teams for the next five years are gonna be battling it out for the division and to see who's getting to the NOCS to be honest. Nice. Who do you think is gonna take the World Series if you don't mind me asking? I got to go with the Yankees. I had a feeling.

I think it's going to be a long series though. I mean I have friends. I mean I'm really close with Mookie Betts. I'm really close with Freddie Freeman. You know I root for those guys too but you know being here, being a Yankee, being in New York, you know I I've really, I've just been watching this team all year and it would be big for us and me if they were in the World Series.

So I'm excited and hopefully they can get it done. You know, awesome. Awesome. Do you have a favorite stories from your time with the Yankees or the Guardians? Like what favorite teammates maybe? Oh, I mean, play with some iconic people in, especially with the Yankees obviously, but anything you want to share?

Yeah, I've got a chance. I got lucky man. I got a chance to play with some, some hall of famers. Like I said, yeah, playing with Tom Robbie and Omar up the middle. I can give you a crap Robbie Alomar story. He's probably not probably, he's a smartest baseball player ever played with My rookie year I go 17 and five that rookie year 2001. Yeah, and I'm starting game three

Of the DS against Seattle playing at home and the first thing I think I gave up a runner to maybe even three runs in The first inning and I'm a little nervous. I mean, I'm 21 years old, you know, it's my first playoff game and. Crazy. I'm walking off the field and Robbie comes running by me. He goes, Hey, Poppy, what's wrong? And he goes, you're a little nervous. And I go, yeah, I'm, you know, I'm, you know,

I'm a little nervous, but I'll be fine. And he was like, he came to me, I sat down on the bench, he came to me. He was like, don't shake Eno off the rest of the game. Like whatever he puts down, just, just throw the pitch and you know, we'll live with it lean on your guy He was that second. You know, I was a rookie too. He was that second base giving in our two pitches He called the pit. He called the game For the rest of the game

He was giving you know signals and I was he was giving it giving me the pitches. And I was 16 and gave up three runs. I didn't give up a run the rest of the game. That's you ever heard of that? Have you ever heard of a second base? I've never heard of that. No, that's amazing. Bro, him and Sandy just talked so much that Roberto ended up finding a way to like kind of pick Sandy Alomar's brain, his

brother's brain, or was he just? I think that and just him, just the ability of just being able to, he just knew the game. Like he would always, and that's how I kind of, I learned pitching from sitting next to great hitters, whether it was him or Eddie Murray,

you know, all of a sudden in the bench and these guys would know what was coming next. You know what I'm saying? Just by whatever the count was, who the guy was on the mound, you know, who the guy was in the box. And that's how I kind of learned how to sequence my pitches and kind of learned how, you know, to read guy swings and different things like that. I didn't watch a lot of video. I would just read guy swings and kind of pitch to my strengths. And I got that from sitting next to guys like Robbie and Eddie Murray and Juan Gonzalez and just really

soaking in from hitters. One of the things I think is the coolest thing in baseball is that that cat and mouse chess match is going on between the hitter and the pitcher and the catcher. Like what you're deciding to throw, how you're setting pitches up, like how much goes into it from like a game plan before the game and like knowing what each batter's

weaknesses, how much of it is, you know, what your because everybody knows your fastball and slider were like the biggest things you got you had going on. But like, what goes into the pitch selection? That process? I don't even know how to ask the question. But it's something that's cool as heck watching. Yeah, no, it is. I mean, and it's a lot that it just depends on the guy, right? Like a guy like Garrett Cole does a lot of prepping. Like he sits down and he does a lot of prepping. He's going through, you know, every lineup, every scenario, every hitter, and he's a guy that can tailor his game. He can throw every pitch for a strike, any and every quadrant. Right. So he can

pitch really to guys weaknesses where a guy like me, what you just said, my fastball, my slider, my strengths, right? So I gotta stick to my strength. So if there's a guy like Mike Trout that's good on sliders and the sliders my strength, well, we gonna see who's fucking better today. You know what I'm saying? I can't do what I can't do.

You know what I'm saying? So I can only do what I can do. So my strengths are my strengths. So once I figured that out about myself, it was less prep for me because now I can just go out and really just pitch to my strengths and really command the plate the way I know how to and not try to worry about what everybody else is doing.

So it didn't really do me any good to watch anybody else's film because I'm not gonna pitch the way that guy pitched you anyway. I'm gonna go to what I can do, what I have that day and we're going to figure it out. So it was always just a lot about me reading swings and figuring out what I had that day. My catchers did a lot of prep and I relied on them a lot. I didn't shake off a lot and whatever they put down, I would just throw a conviction and we're going with it.

Nice. One of the reasons I think it fascinates me is because I feel like the pitcher-catcher relationship is very similar to the center quarterback relationship for what you just said. I was getting ready to say that. There's a lot of communication back and forth. You each have prepared in your own way to be ready for the game and you kind of the best tandems figure it out together.

But what do you think of the modern state of pitching, man? I don't know what to make like like with the Jason's talking about moving the mound back. He said it's too easy to pitch these guys. The hitting philosophy has changed. Okay. These guys, these guys don't try to put the ball in play as much as they did anymore. Now it's just all about launching and getting their A swing off so there's not, and the lineups are constructed where you have to kind of pitch through the lineup. Everybody's trying to do one thing in a lineup

and that's just hit the ball over the left field wall or the right field wall. So that makes it a lot easier for me to pitch when all you're trying to do in every single count is just jack a ball over the wall and not trying to put the ball in play or not trying to put the barrel on it. And that's what made the Guardians so good.

They were just finding a way to get on base, yeah. Yeah, last year really great. They didn't hit for a lot of power, but they were on base and they could put the ball in play and strike out a lot. This year, they were doing that where they put the ball in play and not striking a lot, but then hitting for slugging.

They were hitting doubles and homers and Naylor and you know, Ramirez. So that's what made them so great this year. So I think the game is kind of coming back and reverting back to where, you know, it's more emphasis on putting the ball in play and not just, you know, exit below and launch angle. And I think we've been changing the rules so much for hitters that it's kind of swinging where you have to change the philosophy. We can't keep changing the fucking rules. We can't keep changing the rules when these guys want to hit 230 with 30. You sound like me and Jason when they keep changing these rules in football, man.

Oh my God. You know what's crazy is that it's cool. I mean, I'm sure it's frustrating for you guys, but as a fan of the NFL, it's cool that they're willing to try different rules and change different things about the game We're in baseball. It took us forever to get rid of the shit Well, we all knew that that was the right thing to do right or put the pitch clock in Yeah, it just baseball, you know, we get so much grief when we change the rules where now I'm watching the fucking kickoff in the NFL I've never even you know what I'm saying? But as a fan it's cool to see that and the NBA does that. I feel like baseball we need to you know stay up to speed with you know keeping our game relevant and I think I feel like this year we've been seeing the payoffs from that. It's definitely feel like it's led to more exciting

play. It feels like it's led to more offensive production some of the rules they've changed. The games are shorter. I mean you know what I'm saying? You can watch a full game and not feel like it's taking up your whole day and we're not missing any action. Right, right. How would you think you would have handled the pitch counts and like the less like I feel like you were still pitching like full games at times in your career that never happens It wasn't last as has that happened once in the playoffs so far Has there been a starting pitcher that's pitched all nine innings yet? They used to be like I don't think so Right without weapon. Yeah, I don't think there's that's a great question. I don't think there's been a guy that's thrown a complete game yet and

No, I wouldn't have done well with it. Not my friend No, I wouldn't have done well with it. Not in my prime. You know what I'm saying? Like, oh, it's not happening. I watched one of these guys, one of these aces come out. It was the fifth inning, he had 89 pitches with no gripes. Like if that was, you know, back in the day,

I mean, there's no chance that would even have been a thug. You know what I'm saying? Like you don't even get off the bench until I got 120 pitches in the playoffs. So it's a different philosophy, but I feel like everybody's built these super bullpens where you look at- Relievers and yeah.

Yeah, you look at the two teams that are in the World Series, like they're gonna be games where it's gonna be reliever, that's gonna start the game in the World Series. That's crazy. You know what I'm saying? So just the way that the teams or rosters are constructed,

the bullpens are the best part of these guys, these organizations teams. Back onto the world series, you think Shotani finds a way to throw an inning here or there? Man, it'd be crazy if he closed out a game, right? Woo, man, I'm not gonna lie, that would be nuts. That would be nuts. You weren't talking about bringing baseball.

Yeah, that's awesome, man. I mean, I think, you know, the Dodgers is short, you know what I'm saying, on pitching. I mean, if he's healthy enough, why not bring him back? You know? Right? Yeah. That's what you paid him to do. And he can do it at a high level, and he's been throwing.

So if he's healthy, I mean, I don't see why not. I'd be interested to see how they use him going forward anyway. You know, if he's gonna be a starter, if he's gonna be, you know, long relief out of the bullpen, I mean, I'll be interested to see and maybe we can get a preview right here. Nice.

There we go. Well, my guy, Anthony Rizzo was caught always calling the bullpen in the fourth inning, prank calling the bullpen in the fourth inning. It got out that he was doing that all year this year. Did you guys ever have that on any of your teams? You have somebody that was always prank calling you guys in the bullpen or?

Now, you know who was the biggest pranker on all the teams that I played with was Brett Gardner But I mean he would do I mean like wow crazy. I mean that one time we had our video guy he had we had a we he took his his starter for his key like the A lot of him online. he took the battery out. So this guy took the truck, he bought a brand new truck, he took the battery out of the unlock button.

So the guy takes the truck back to the G&C place and was like, oh, you know, something's wrong with the truck. They give him a new one, he takes it out again. And then when they open it up, he had put a picture of himself this size in the battery thing in there. So. That's a good bit right there. Yeah, no, Gardi was the best pranker.

But when you sit in the bullpen, man, the whole time, your stomach is just hurting, right? As a bullpen, because you don't know, as soon as the phone rings, you're like, this is me, you know what I mean? Is it for me? Do I need to get ready? Especially in a big moment in the playoffs and yeah

So I can only imagine every fourth inning like he's calling down there like somebody's like damn They're about to shit on themselves getting ready I want to hear one of these things man. They got to record one of these things. Is he calling like the pizza? like delivery guy like Pepperoni a 12 a pepperoni, a 12 inch pepperoni and you got the hot wings today? I gotta hear one of these days. Rizzo's funny as hell for that.

Nah, they definitely should record a Rizzo, it's funny. And that's, like I said, I mean, that's a good way to loosen it up and keep it light, but it's hard, man, during the baseball season to have different ways to, you know, it's getting monogamous, you know, 162 throughout the season. How do you guys get ready for 162 games? Jesus, like, I know, pitchers, even think about like, I was about to say, it's, yeah, it's insane to me that there's that many, like, as a football player once a week, that feels like too much. But three games a week, four games. Every day. I mean, every single day, but like, I feel like your

your schedule with football is like your home all week, right? Like, but every day you're up from like nine to five, like meetings from nine to five. Yeah. So it's just like, so every day is meeting. So it's just like, so every day is meeting. So it's, I mean, it's basically, so for us, basically the same thing. Like we know we have to be up at the park by the buses at two, two thirty.

Got it. Our day really don't start until like 11. Yeah. Yeah. So you get up, I mean, do whatever you need to do. Buses at two, game at seven. I mean, it just becomes, it becomes a part of your life. For me as like a pitcher watching position players, like I would always ask,

jeet I'm like, how do you guys do this shit every day? Or like Jorge catching 140 out of 120. You know what I'm saying? Like throughout the summer and you got these different pitchers and guys coming in. So being a position player in the big leagues is vastly underrated. I feel like doing what Cal Ripken did is incredibly underrated. And we'll never, ever be fucking touched again.

Nobody would ever come close to doing that. They will. So no, they won't. I mean, yeah, it's I mean, in every sport, though, right? Like, yes, every sport now they have load management where guys ain't playing. I mean, I just saw him beep, say he'll never play a back to back again in his career. That's crazy. Yes, I mean, it's just a different mentality.

At least that's crazy to me, I don't know. I don't know, yes. It sounds crazy to me too, you know what I'm saying? So, I mean, it's just one of those things where, you know, you're watching these guys get up and do this every single day. And that's why for me, I love to watch like the guys now like Manny Machado or Freddie Freeman or Mookie. These guys post and I know how hard that is to do in

this day and age. And you got to tip your hat to these guys. I mean, Freddie, Freddie with his ankle right now, Freddie with his ankle right now is still like, he's literally hobbling around the first bro. But you know how inspiring that is for like other players to see a guy go through a whole summer and then you know what I'm saying? Like that's a huge rallying thing for the locker room. So no matter which team. I want on my team. Give me that guy.

Yeah, I'm not even trying to be funny, but like 30% of Freddie Freeman is better than 100% of anybody else. Shit, give me that guy, bro. We're going to get to the start of your career with the Guardians, but we were talking about rules and how they've changed some of the things. I got to ask you this question. What is one rule that you would change to make baseball better? The biggest rule I would change to make baseball better, it would be every getaway day. So game that you play on the road at the getaway day would have to be a day game

So like so like you guys are like every game so like as a Yankee we play come in to play the Phillies on a Thursday I would want that to be a day game and not a seven o'clock game So I can get out not a night game That's a day game we can get into the next city or get home at a reasonable hour But the Yankees we always because we're always the gate prime for the Dodgers or Boston or whoever else then we always get a night game and Then we are in that four or five in the morning with a game the next day So it would be universal getaway day has to be a big and that seems fair for short definitely

getaway day has to be a day game. And that seems fair. For sure. It definitely seems fair. It seems fair, right? But that shit don't happen, man. Has the players presented that as an option? It only affects such a small portion of the league that nobody has really presented it.

That makes sense, yeah. But I have been. In the league office, I've been saying that we need to fit correctness and make it an even playing field, travel-, in the league office, I've been saying, you know, that we need to fit correctness and get, you know, make it an even playing field travel wise for everybody. Right. Because I feel like that's such a big thing now with guys, you know, with their sleep and you know, getting their rest and I feel like it puts some of these bigger market teams,

the Phillies, the Dodgers, the Yankees at a disadvantage when they're getting in at five in the morning in every city. The TV networks want to keep them night games too, just because it's like prime time and stuff like that. But yeah, sometimes you got to look out for the players for sure. Yeah. When you're playing 162 throughout the summer, fuck it. Give us one or two.

We got plenty of TV games. So I saw you at the actually last year's World Series. I saw you down there in Dallas and I realized that you're staying involved with the MLB. You're in like an ambassador's program. Is there, is there, can you elaborate on it? Yeah. So I started working with the league in 2021 as a special assistant to the commissioner, helped them with players, appellate relations. I have a lot of relationships within the league. You know, we go around and do meetings and, you know, and let Rob get in front of the players and you know, any questions that they have, they can kind of, you know, we go around and do meetings and, you know, and let Rob get in front of the players and, you know, any questions that they have, um, they can kind of, you know,

address him right, right in front of them, you know, and have these meetings. When I was playing, I didn't have that access. I feel like it's kind of helped, you know, with player relations or having guys feel comfortable, um, coming to the league office with, you know, whatever problem that they have. Um, you know, I was able this last year to do, you know, some things at Rickwood. We had the game at Rickwood, Alabama

between the Giants and the Cardinals. I threw a big softball game down there, you know, just kind of honoring Willie Mays. So I've been able to stay, you know, in the league, in the league office and stay within the game. And that's been a lot of fun. And for me, when I got done playing, I retired, I was like, ah, I'm done with baseball. Like I won't be around baseball. I

won't watch baseball. I'm a huge fucking baseball fan. We're a baseball family. So it just keeps me in the game, man. I love it, man. Hell yeah. CC, have you thought about getting into the broadcasting stuff? I know you'll dabble a little bit here and there. But have you ever got approached by some of the networks or thought about doing it? Yeah, you know what, my you'll dabble a little bit here and there, but have you ever got approached by some of the networks or thought about doing it? Yeah, you know what?

My last year in 2019, I actually worked at ESPN when Get Up first opened, when they first opened at Seaport Studio. Yes. It was good for me to be able to do that. And I was like, yeah, nah, this is not what I wanna do. Because that next year, I would have signed up and I would have did, you know what I mean?

I would have went full bore and like, I don't like, I feel like I can talk about sports in my own way and not be in a suit. I don't want to be dressed up talking about, you know what I'm saying? Like, and I watch all sports and for me, I want to talk about every sport. I watch a lot of NFL. I watch a lot of basketball. Obviously I love baseball. But I mean, I want to talk about everything. And I feel like, you know, when I was at ESPN, they just had me only talking about baseball. So nice. Well, let's talk about some other sports. We got we play the Las Vegas Raiders this this week, man. I heard

be a Raiders fan. week, man. I heard. I think you might be a Raiders fan. I am not a Raiders fan anymore. Not for the rest of this season. I'm running with Saquon and the Eagles, bro. The Raiders just they make it so hard to be a fan, bro. Like yeah, from trading Devontae to not getting a quarterback in the offseason to Everything that goes on I'm a diehard, you know, I'm a diehard Raider fan. Like yeah, it runs through my blood I have to go to one or two games a season where I'm in Vegas I have to go to a game in person and I did that last week

I went to my Steelers game and the Raiders Steelers game, but it's harder. It's so hard I have to root for a winner man and then I feel like the Eagles are going to bring some joy here on the East Coast so I'm rolling with the Eagles. We gotta get to a game then we gotta go. What's your favorite sport to watch then besides baseball is the NFL the next the thing you like watching the most? Yeah yeah the NFL and then basketball obviously but I watch a lot of Premier League soccer, I go over to watch a lot of soccer. I'm actually going over next month to watch Real Madrid, watching Bob A over there. Like I said, when I was saying earlier, I couldn't play Pop Warner football growing up. So I had to play soccer. My dad was like, you're gonna play

something in the winter. So he had me playing soccer. And I kind of fell in love with him. And like I said, I understood a lot of sports when I was young. And I really just fell in love with it. So I still go over there and watch a lot of premier. I feel like we all three of us kind of have that similar like appreciation for all sports and understanding all the games rule or yeah, every each game's rules and everything. Tell me this though, man, because you can play in high school. We were talking about it earlier. We saw the highlights. Do you sometimes you watch the you watch these NFL games? You're like, man, I could have I can do that. Absolutely not. I'm not going to disrespect you guys like that.

I wouldn't take it as disrespect. I wouldn't take it as disrespect. I mean, yeah, I was pretty good in high school. I don't know how I would have went to college. Like I said, that first year when I got drafted by the by the Indians, guardians, Indians back then, I was 25 good in high school. I don't know how I would have went to college. Like I said, that first year when I got drafted by the Indians, guardians, Indians back then, I was 255 pounds. I went home that off season when I came back in February, I was like 285 to 90. So I'm telling you, if I show up on a college campus, I'm an offensive tackle right away. So you know what I'm saying? Life might have been a little different, but no,

I mean, I appreciate what you guys can do out there. And no, I mean, life might have been a little different, but no, I mean, I appreciate what you guys can do out there. And no, I mean, it would have been interesting, but I don't, I don't know if I could have played as long as I played in baseball in the NFL. Man, 19 in football is insane. I mean, I look like my guy, Mercedes Lewis, though, he's doing a tight end right now. He's in his 19th year and man, a hats off to Sadie's. He's unbelievable throughout his entire career. I remember watching him over there in Jacksonville and just in awe that I'm still, you know, he's still in the league doing it at the highest level, man.

Which is crazy. AJ Brown, Philadelphia Eagle himself has said he can play in the MLB, stands on it every time he's been asked about it. Do you think he could touch anybody in the league? You know what? I've seen AJ swing and I've watched, he was like a pretty good player. I saw him do some perfect game. He went through like the high level perfect game stuff.

So yeah, I think any guy like that, that played baseball for that long throughout high school has a chance to still play and swing a bat. You can see Donovan Mitchell, a guy like Donovan Mitchell, he can, you know, he still swings, he can still play. I feel like Kyler Murray. Yeah, he was. You know, he played baseball through college.

So I feel like. Pat Mahomes out there playing baseball through college. Pat Mahomes, Pat was a really good baseball player. Yeah. And I feel like it shows up a lot in his football game, just watching him, like, he runs around out there kind of like a shortstop. He's flipping the ball with both hands. Isn't it crazy?

You know, he's throwing from every angle. Yeah. And I feel like a lot of the good quarterbacks are like that, where they're like, it's like the baseball effect where you can kind of throw from all the angles. Yeah, it's a whole nother skill set, really. He's just out there almost like a N1 basketball player, somebody that's at the park that really knows how to dribble the just different or have their own version of

it, man. We'll ask you this. How, what do you think the easier transition is baseball to football or football to baseball? I think it would be baseball to football. I think it would be harder to transition from baseball, from football to baseball. I mean, and this is even like for me when I got drafted because I was a football player and I put, you know what I mean, I was just an athlete.

I got drafted in the first round. Even when I got drafted, I was on the phone with Dan O'Dowd and I'm like, am I playing first base or am I pitching? Like I had no idea, you know what I mean? And in my mind, I was like, hey, I can go play baseball. I can take this million dollars. I can do this for two years and I can go back to college.

Chris Winkie had just did that. You know what I'm saying? So like there's guys, there was examples of me, like there was examples of guys that had took the baseball money and then went back to college to play football and I was like, all right, so if this shit don't work out, then I can just go back and play football.

And that was always my fallback plan. I think it would be a lot easier if you're doing both, if you pick baseball, you can always fall back to go play football. We tried to have a fallback guy, Tim Tebow do it not too long ago, man. Tebow is in the minors a little bit. There've been some guys that have tried. How difficult is it to get drafted and then immediately go into the minors?

It's extremely hard to, especially from high school, right? Like, somebody like me, you know, I was a guy, like I went from my mom washing my uniform after the game to like now I'm a professional. You know what I'm saying? Like this is every single day. Like in high school you're playing Tuesdays, maybe Fridays. And then when you turn pro, like I was 17 years old still.

I didn't turn 18 until three weeks after I got drafted. So like I didn't know how to wash clothes like they just drop you off in the middle of North Carolina. You got to figure out how to get to the ballpark. You know what I'm saying? You got to figure out how to manage your money. You got to figure out what you're going to eat, how much fuel you're going to have, you know, throughout the day, how to work out how to do kind of everything. So you you go from being like an amateur and you're literally, you're a pro. And it's just you and a bunch of other high school cats

and 15 other Dominican guys that's trying, you know what I'm saying? Like y'all literally down there trying to figure it out. Like it's like, it was a culture shock. It was rough. I mean, the first three nights of my professional career, I cried home, I called home crying. Like do I have to like, if I come home, do I got to get his money

back? And my mom was like, you better stay your ass here. Good advice, mom. The check clear. It's pretty rough. Like, so that's why I mean, I have a junior in college right now. He goes to the University of Houston and I wanted him to get that college experience. I wanted him to be able to grow up, be a man before he entered that minor league because you know, he didn't have to, he didn't have to make a decision. I had to make, I had to make that decision because me and my mom needed the money.

He didn't have to make that decision. He can grow up, you know, go out and play some college baseball, grow, mature, and then become a pro. I hear you. Man, we gotta get to Cleveland. Yeah, you already know we gotta talk some Cleveland ball, baby. Yeah. What was your time like in Cleveland?

Not just as a player, but in the city. What do you remember and really take away from your time in Cleveland? No, I loved Cleveland. I mean, I always tell people like, you know, I was born and raised in Vallejo, California, right? Like I was, I mean, if you open up my soul, there was a little,

probably a box in there with Mac Dre playing, you know what I'm saying? Like born and raised in Vallejo, California to my soul. But I grew up in Cleveland. Like I got to Cleveland when I was 17 years old and I stayed there until I was 28. That's great. Three out of four of my kids were born there.

You know, me and my wife got married there. You know, I lived, I lived with a host family in Shaker Heights my first two seasons. Okay. I mean, I love the East side of Cleveland. We really, really enjoyed the East side. I mean, I was going to Randall Park mall to get all my clothes. Oh yeah. So, you know, I mean, like I'm really ingrained in, I'm going to Randall Park Mall to get all my clothes. You know what I'm saying? So you know what I mean?

Like I'm really ingrained in, I'm going to Nets and Shaker Square, you know what I'm saying? Like these are my spots so. I used to jump to, I used to run over to Shaker Square to go see you play. Cause they take the rapid right down to, right down to the gateway district.

Oh yeah. You know that was my home. And you know I stayed there in off season. I mean I went to Caz games. I was there when it was Tractor trailer Ricky Davis. Come on baby, RMP trailer. Hey man, Ricky Davis and Darius Miles, man. Exactly, I grew up in Cleveland, man.

That's so cool. I am, so that city holds a special place in me and my wife's heart. And even my kids, if you go talk to my oldest son right now, he's Ohio State fan. And my daughter, they love being from Westlake, or they say Westlake, Ohio, but they're from Cleveland. So yeah, I mean, it's very near and dear to our hearts.

And like I always say, I grew up born and raised in Cali, but grew up in Cleveland. That's awesome, man. You're talking about the Cavs, man. Did you ever catch LeBron the wave of LeBron before he got drafted to Cleveland? Like, did you catch him at St. Vincent St. Mary? I did. So we had this program in with the Indians.

He said he is what the Guardians called. We do it too. I know it was the winter development program. So they would bring us all to Cleveland the month of January So we would be up there the whole month. So our big league trainer, his name was Paul Spacusa He was a he would referee a you in high school games. So one year in the in the winter He kept talking about this kid. He was like, oh you got to come see this kid play. But my boy He's telling all of us. He's telling me they risky is all these different guys that are with the with the guardians at the time. He's like,

Oh, you got to come see this guy play. And we're all like, no chance we're going to see an eighth grader go play high like basketball. We come back the next offseason. He's like, All right, I got a better prop for you. Like, the kids playing right across street, like he's playing in the Cazarena. We can walk underneath. We can go. We can watch the game.

He was a freshman. He has 40, 18 and 20. And then every time I was going, every time I came back to Cleveland in the winter time, I was figuring out a way to go watch the, I even watched him play high school football. I was wondering why he asked that because he was a football player too, man. I got a chance to go see him play high school football. I met Mav and you know, Rich and all those guys. Very, very young, very early.

So I've been knowing those guys a long time. I'll tell you what, I try and like tell people about, because I went and saw him at the Weinstein. I saw him at Cleveland State. He had, I mean, he was selling out arenas so much, you couldn't put him in a high school arena for the big time games. You had to go to a bigger arena. And man, it was unbelievable.

I was sitting up in the nosebleeds, and you could still see how big he was on the court compared to everybody else. It was ridiculous. And you could see the stars that would come see him play. It would be everybody would show up in Cleveland, from Shaq to AI to whoever else was going to the games. And even back then, like you said, Trav,

you can see he was way bigger than everybody and way more skilled. But he would always make the right basketball player. He could score 60 points in those games. Easy. He would always end up with 24, eight. You know what I'm saying? Like he's making the right basketball play.

Every time I've watched him play since he was in the freshman high school, he's done the right thing on the court every single time. His basketball IQ is off the charts. Yeah, man, I still remember going to that game though, man. It was unbelievable. He went off the backboard in a game. And at that point in my life, I was just like, man,

I want to be the next LeBron James. Yeah. I ended up choosing basketball over hockey going into high school. And a lot of that was because I was like, man, this dude just makes basketball look so fun and just sports look so fun, man. Was that a big thing for you guys?

Like living in Cleveland, like choosing like over hockey? Like, cause hockey is a big sport out there, right? It's a big thing for you guys like to like living in Cleveland, like choosing like over hockey like this? Because hockey is a big sport out there, right? It's a big winter sport. Yes, I mean, we, we grew up playing hockey since at least since I was five, I think Jason was a little bit older. But when he got into it, I immediately got into it since like the the lowest level of, of at least organized hockey. And on top of that, man, we just we had so many we grew up with the same

guys, the same teammates throughout our lives So it's like we we had a connection with like the team and everything and that was that was definitely the hardest thing for me Going into high school was figuring out which winter sport I was gonna play Was it gonna be a hockey or a hockey or basketball and I ended up hanging up the skates? But yeah, it was weird see cuz we played everything and we even played like two sports in the same season. I like look back and like how the hell do we even beat it? Like how did you play basketball and hockey? I like wrestled and played hockey one year. I'm like, like it was weird thinking back that we were even able to do that. You know, our parents somehow made that work. I don't even know how they facilitate that. I was

just looking at a picture of my mother right now. My guys got football pads, he's got a baseball bat over there. He's got like, you know, I'm saying like, just in the mother right now, like, it's like, it's crazy. And I feel like it's baseball deals with this a lot where kids like just play baseball year round, definitely in the south for sure. I'm such a big proponent of playing as many sports as you can while you're young, because it just develops

you more. But it feels like I know hitting is like, you want to be a good hitter you got to hit a lot right. But too much anything is a bad thing right you know I'm saying like you don't have to hit that much to be like we didn't hit that much like I was I played 16 baseball games when I was a kid you know I'm saying like we played the little league schedule and then when it was in August we played football or whatever, soccer, basketball or soccer. You know what I'm saying? Like we're playing the sports and I think, yeah, I think a lot of these kids get burnt out in their sport and whatever it is because they just specialize way too early.

And I feel like you play these other sports, it makes you so much a better athlete and it makes you better in your main sport. Right. Like football made me so much better as a baseball player. Like football made me so much better as a baseball player. Basketball made me so much better as a baseball player because of footwork and like being so big or being able to move around. You know what I'm saying? Like these, these, I mean, I'm sure with hockey and you playing center or you know what I'm

saying? Like trying to be playing quarterback and like, you know what I'm saying? Like these things make you into your ultimate, make you into ultimate athlete. When you play just one thing, yeah, you can get good at that one thing, but you're not as athletic as you ultimately could be if you play these other sports, or even like your mentality playing your main sport changes when you play these other sports.

Absolutely, absolutely. You just become more well-rounded, man. I'm with you, man. I promise you. I watch Trav out there shaking guys sometimes. I'm like, man, he's just out there playing basketball. Man, that guy. He's playing who? He might just. Yeah,'m like man. He's just out there playing basketball If I just had the ability to dribble while doing that if I just had the ability I'd be in the NBA

He's got he's got LeBron the same business a Marion is saying like, well, I'm like the same thing like what Miles Garrett to like he's the same. He's kind of like a Hooper like that when he just moves fluid. And he's like, no doubt, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's pretty cool to see. He had this one move last year, he hit over a center. I forget what team he was playing. But he's literally like acting like a basketball player, doing a crossover before the snap, and then hits him and kills him on a one on one.

I was like, dude, thank God. I'm not that center because I don't know what the hell you would even do. Like, what the heck is that freaky move right there? But yeah, we talked about a little bit about Roberto and and Omar and maybe even Diaz. Who were the guys that guys that mentored you when you first got into the league? Maybe even back when you were playing in the minors, who was that one guy? Me and Jason always like to try and figure out

the one person you could always lean on and show some love to because they helped you out a tremendous amount. Who do you think that guy was for you? You know what? It was, you know, real early in my career, it was Manny Ramirez Manny was a first Manny was a first rounder. I think in 93 I was a first rounder

I came I came out 98 and we would all like in Winter Haven in spring training We all kind of stayed at the same hotel like the young guys in the minor leagues We all stayed at the hotel and like some of the younger big leaguers would stay at the hotel and Manny would kind of stay at the hotel in his younger days and when I first came around, he would take me out to eat and all this different stuff and one time we're coming back from eating and this is like, I mean, we're hanging out maybe like a year or two now and this is like, you know, the third time this spring training that we're coming back from eating and he goes, he looks at me, he goes, poppy, why you never speak Spanish?

And I was going, bro, I'm fucking the whole time. I think he was mentoring me. Cause he thought I was Dominican. It was Manny early. We have a great relationship. That's awesome man. David Jesses was there early, but when I first got to the big leagues it was Ellis Burks. Ellis Burks was the guy who he bought me my first suit when I got, when I made the team and he really that, that first year he really taught me how to be a pro. Took me under his wing, told me what not to, what to do and what not to do because I was, I was so young, I was so green, I had no idea.

I mean, I didn't even know how to be a pro. I was just a kid. I was just a kid. I to be a pro. Took me under his wing, told me what to do and what not to do because I was so young, I was so green, I had no idea. I mean, I didn't even know how many innings you had to pitch to get a win at that point. You know what I'm saying? So I was really, really, really learning on the job

and Ellis did a good job with me. Nice, man. We asked this question too. Not knowing who mentored you, do you have one moment that was like you're welcome to Major League Baseball moment? The best story I feel like where I felt like I was like one of the guys was so after my first start I don't think I won that game. Maybe I didn't win the first start. So the second start I pitched in Detroit and I went five innings. I gave up four runs. We fly to Baltimore and we get in early.

We go out to dinner. I ended up getting the win that night in Detroit. We go to dinner, the guys take me out and I had like a suit on. And I just remember guys like stuffing money in my pockets. Everybody was like, they took me out and they were like, everybody handed me money, like cash. I just remember waking up the next day,

I had all this money, all this cash. Like one of the best moments of my life. And I just felt like, you know. Yeah, it was like one of those like welcome to the team kid. You know what I'm saying? That's what I'm saying man. That's cool. Which was, which is pretty cool.

That kind of made me feel like I was a part of, you know what I mean? That's dope. I like that better. Dude, in the NFL, we take the rookies out and they got to buy like this absurd dinner. I've seen that. Where they spend all their money. I like that better dude in the NFL, we take the rookies out and they got to buy like this absurd dinner. I see that. I like that better.

Let's give the young guys some cash. I like that. That's the way it should be. Yeah. And that's when I first got called up, it was a lot of hazing. It was a lot of like, you know, the young guys have to do this, do that. And yeah, now it's a lot different. I mean, you know, for me, I want it to be different.

I want the young guys to come up and feel comfortable, you know, be a part of the team, you know, I didn't I didn't want any of them to go through kind of the stuff I went through. So we we kind of changed the culture a little bit and now these young guys get to come up and feel comfortable. So it's good. That's awesome. That's awesome. How many 19 seasons? 19 seasons.

Yeah, you said I was lucky. You said you threw until you couldn't anymore. Have you tried to throw a baseball? What does it feel like now if you tried to do that? Man, if I try to throw hard, it ain't, it's not good. I play catch with my sons all the time. I have a 14 year old that plays and you know, I'm playing catch and throw him BP with him, but yeah, my shoulder's done. Which is good. That's a good thing because I would still be trying to play like the Yankees in the World Series right now. I'd be calling.

Can't play. You are come out the bullpen. Right now, because I would be I'd be itching to come out of somebody's bullpen right now, trying to get another ring. I've been saying it for for the past, like, three years. Everyone keeps asking me about retirement. I'm like, man, I'm a place where the wheels fall off. I just fucking love competing, man. I like being out there on the field and showing up for the guys next to me. It's just, it's just what I love to

do. So I can only imagine what it really felt like when, when that shoulder started to really mess up for you and you weren't, you weren't able to like have the success that you wanted to have. I'm sure that was a tough, tough time for you to, you know, come to realization with that. It was, but it was like I knew I was going to be good at retirement. So I'm going to say that. I'm so good. I'm going pro. I'm going pro at retirement, bro. I knew I was going to be. I got hurt in 2014,

which is Jeter's last season, and I didn't really travel that year. It was kinda like my first summer off. We played a whole summer, so we don't like, we never get Memorial Day or fucking July. Like we don't know what that's like. So that first year, that first summer, I was like, oh shit, I'm gonna be like really good at retirement.

So after that, like every year, it kept crepin' in to where I was like, every road trip, like I'm gonna be like really good every time. And so after that, like every year it kept creping in to where I was like every road trip, like I'm packing. And I'm like, fuck man, I'm like, you know, like where before I'm happy to like pack and go with the guys and like, you know what I'm saying, hit the road. Now I'm, you know, upset I'm missing this game or this daughter's competition or this stuff.

So it got to a point where it was like, you know, when I started, you know, getting upset about packing, it's like, it's time for you to be home. Yes, for sure. And now I'm in the locker room with guys that have more in common with my 14 year old son than they have in common with me. So, you know, it's time to go. I mean, as much as I love to compete, as much as I love the game, I don't miss anything about it. I got my feel out of it. You know what I'm saying? I won a championship. I got to do it at the highest level with what I consider one of the best organizations.

So I don't miss it at all. You know what I mean? I'm good with it. And I just love watching baseball now. I love it, man. And like you said earlier, you're still doing a lot with the league and being that voice for players and that

connector. We got a segment on the show called we gotta ask but you don't have to answer. Let's let's wrap this this crazy combo up with the segment. And it's exactly what it sounds like CC we're gonna ask you some rapid fire questions. And yeah, I mean, you can literally tell us the fuck off or you can answer them who has some fun. Jason, go ahead and start with the first one. Yeah.

Are pitchers the most superstitious professional athletes out there? I think baseball players in general. I think baseball players have to be the most superstitious athletes on the planet, for sure. Yeah, 100%. I can agree to that. Weird superstitions you've seen over the years?

What's the weirdest one? The weird, I mean Jeter ate the same thing every single day he would like peanut butter and honey sandwich he would take a bite of it and then throw the rest of the shit out. I just got to get a bite in. I just got to get a bite in. It was you know like he must have did that one time didn't have time had a great game you know what I'm saying and then like but and then for me like it was always like so before my starts I had to be in the hot tub at like 423. I had to be out of the hot tub at like 434 on the training table, like time.

So like- That was the same way. You had to be walking out of the locker room at 636, like with my jacket and everything. So it was always like about the time for me. Same. You had times like that too? I would always go in and there's always a

list on the in the locker room for football that tells you what time each position has to be out. And I would go and find out when the centers and quarterbacks had to be out for snapping. And I would work back every 15 minutes. I would have like markers. Okay. At one hour before that, I'm taking my pre workout drink and doing this at 45 minutes. I'm taking my anti inflammatory at 30 minutes. Man, you guys are crazy, man. I can't do that, man. I'm so bad with time and I'm most inconsistent person in the world. So I was I was like, man, let me not just set myself up for failure here on these superstitions. So you don't have any routine like that? You don't have no routine like that before the game with time?

I mean, other than making sure I take that anti inflammatory by the only one I got. And sometimes I even forget to take that until I'm like right about to go out there. Have you ever been out there and realized you forgot to take it? Yeah. Feel so bad. Oh yeah, that's why all of a sudden you turn on the film on on Monday morning you see Travis was real slow on the first quarter. Now I've never been to the bullpen without my anti-flamatory or tour d'or or whatever

I got to take. For sure, for sure. Whichever one it is. ZZ, what's the toughest ballpark you ever played in? Toughest ballpark? I think Fenway is the toughest ballpark to play in. Fenway? I think so.

I mean just the atmosphere, the green monster, you have to change the way you pitch in that park. And like we talked about it earlier, I, you have to change the way you pitch in that part. And like, you know, we talked about it earlier, I don't like to change anything, I pitch to my strengths, I do what I do, and there you have to actually change the way you pitch because of the wall. So I think Fenway was always the toughest place to pitch.

What a home field advantage, man, that's crazy. Do you have one batter you faced in your career that just like, you know, you're glad you never got to face him again. He just for some reason had your number. Man, I mean, I wish it was just one guy. I wish it was just one guy. But Manny Ramirez for sure.

I mean, Manny, he would always get me in the biggest spots. And then Evan Longoria. Evan Longoria, I mean, it got to a point where I was just like, I mean there was one game where Tony Pena, he was our catching coordinator, he was like, just throw them all sliders today. So it was like a game where I would just throw them all sliders and he was like, just throw them all change-ups today. You know what I'm saying? Like there's really nothing I could do to get them out. Like he just saw the ball out of my hand so good that the one time I ran over to him,

I was like, bro, I'm gonna start throwing to you underhand, like. It's nothing, right? I'm gonna completely change the shot. I'm just gonna turn right hand and I'm just gonna start throwing this thing over here. Who's on your Mount Rushmore of pitchers? Wow, I've never been asked that question.

I would have to go Ferguson Jenkins for sure. Oh, okay. I would have to go Bob Gibson. Okay. Randy Johnson. The unit. And I'm putting Pedro up there, man. Pedro. I mean, yeah. Pedro's nasty, bro. Got those flexible fingers. got those flexible fingers. It was nasty, man. Pedro was Pedro's nasty and he's like, he, he would come after you. You know what I'm saying? Like he pitched anytime and he would come after you. So those would be my guys. You see Pedro with his fingers back, then you start stretching your hand every day. I need that. I need that extra. It's funny that everybody knew that about it, right? Like

do you still believe in the motto mass equals gas? Absolutely. Yeah, I had to be over 310 to be able to throw the ball over 95. Hey, what? Yeah. Yeah. Like my biggest I pitched at was like 338. I would pitch at like man. Yeah. Milwaukee days. Yeah. Oh yeah. My biggest I pitched at was like 338. I would pitch at. It's a big man. Yeah. My Milwaukee days. Yeah. The Milwaukee early New York days, I was like 330. I went on a trip to Italy one time I came back and I was like, I didn't weigh myself. I was just pasta and wine. But I came back, I was 346. I'll never forget getting on a scale and it was like 346.

And we had no four. And it's in December, you know what I'm saying? I got like six weeks before I needed to be back to 290. Oh wow. It's like, what's Cece run the polls for? It's like, man, I heard he went to Italy, man. Don't go to Italy in the off season, man. This shit crazy.

I was doing that lemonade diet while I was doing the cayenne pepper with the lemonade. I was crazy. Oh yeah, nice details. I got down though. I got back. Listen man, we're the Kansas City dad bods over here. We just make it shake.

We make it shake. I love it. All right, and then what's your advice to kids getting into baseball now, man? If you had some, just a little bit of advice you can give to some of our younger viewers, man. Man, my advice would just be just to enjoy the game. Don't take it too serious.

Play other sports, but have fun and enjoy the game and really be a fan of the game. Watch baseball, go to games if you can, go out and play with your friends. I think the more that you're a fan of baseball, the more you fall in love with it and the better you become as a player. But I think you really need to be a fan of this game to understand it and to really know what it is to love it. I'm with you on that, brother.

Hell yeah. That's all we got. Appreciate you, man. What else? You got any questions for us before we hop up out of here? I mean, you guys both played mean played you know in you know Super Bowls or at the highest level like what would what would your advice be as like as far as like getting there or you know working towards like did you ever did you work because I never worked to play in like in the World Series or to be in the Hall of Fame or like it was just always just

trying to get better or one day at a time. Was that with you guys or was it like, no, I'm trying to win Super Bowls or this is like my goal? Well, I'll answer first, because I feel like Travis, they've won like two in a row, so they might already be thinking about the Super Bowl. But for me, Right now.

Yeah. No, you're always focused on winning the day, right? You're always focused on just getting better in any way, shape or form, and you're week by week. I think everybody starts the season with like you want to win the street bowl and that's like the end goal. But I don't think that that's like where you're at at any moment until you're there, if that makes sense. It's always about, man, we got to be, if we're playing in Cleveland this week, how do we be Cleveland or what did I do last week? How do I not make those same mistakes again and get better this week?

And to me, I felt like I was never, you know, that was always the main dream. But there are always shorter term goals that were kind of getting you on the right, keeping you on the right track, right? Like doing your job, getting better every day and you know, staying in the moment, I think help you achieve all those goals. Those long term goals. Yeah. What about you, Trev? I kind of go along the same lines as what you were saying, CC, like one of my coaches in college used to say, feed the

fire, feel fuel that knowledge and that that love for the game and really like understand it to the like the minute details. I have never been satisfied watching myself on film. I literally am my worst critic and I feel like if guys take that mentality not only in in sports, but it just in life of always trying to find ways to better themselves. You know, you'll slowly start to take steps up that staircase of success and find ways to, you know, I don't know,

get better at whether it's catching the football, throwing the football, blocking, things like that. I always try and take the four or five months that we have in the off season to find one thing to really like understand to a whole nother level. And this year it was how to recover better, how to recover faster throughout the week. What are some things that I can do? And it's just been a whole like, I don't want to say change the routine, but it's just been a whole fine tuning of the routine throughout the week. So that even in, you know, week four to week 10 to week 16 to week 20, if I'm fortunate

enough to play in the Super Bowl, I found a way to be at my top and like best like physical form for the guys around me and just be accountable, man. But I'm I would say just be be your own worst critic in life, man. You can't tell me I played terrible, man. I'll be the one to say it first. I hate myself, I've already told myself. That's what people always say about playing here, like how can you handle the pressure of playing in New York? No, I already put so much pressure on myself, that like, you know what I mean?

Like if I give up a run, I'm already, you know what I'm saying? So there's no amount of pressure that you can put on me that, the external pressure that that was that's gonna break me. You know, absolutely. I got another question about one more football if you don't mind about it's just like I watch so much football and I see everybody talk about offensive lines and you know, it's often

like that that often like that but the defensive lines have every team has a freak on their defensive line. Yeah, like every single one, whether it's Max Crosby or Joey Bosa or JJ watt, like why won't they take some of these guys that don't make it on the defensive line turning the offensive line. So you can kind of match some of these bodies and these fucking guys have like it's crazy. Yeah, it's a good point man is crazy. I think one, those defensive guys are it's crazy. Yeah, it's a good point man is crazy. I think one those defensive guys are it's a sexier position.

That's what I would want to play. Everybody wants to get sex. They don't want to think is hard. You can kind of go and play your team has a freak though. Every team has like one or two on the one to kind of talk about this a little bit more like most of the best offensive linemen were those, like most of the best offensive linemen in the league, at least I don't want to like, not all of them, but a lot of those guys were former position players, right?

Like I was a linebacker growing up. Lane Johnson played tight end in quarterback. Jason Peters, who played with the Eagles for a long time, was a tight end in college. So there are a lot more skill and athletic guys switching to the offensive line for exactly what you're saying. Like, you can't just be a big, like, strong guy anymore and be a successful offensive lineman. It's gonna be really hard to compete. You got to be a crazy athlete now. And all that other stuff. And those are rare people. It's rare human beings

to find six, six dudes that are athletic, big, strong, like they just tough. Yeah, you know it. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But I just I feel like so many offensive linemen take so much shit or these offensive line period. Because they're like, but it's like, do you see what I'm like? Yeah. You see what I have to do over here? What the fuck is on the other side? We should come on out here and try and do it then. Come out and block boss, Garrett. Block my compartment.

Every office is like, office life is terrible. No, fuck that. Look at the deepest line that they're fucking blocking. It's crazy. The other thing with O-line is like, if you do your job nine out of ten times, it's a failure. Like if you give up one sack in a game, I had a bad day pass blocking. I could have had 39 snaps and I got my job done, but that one is going to haunt me in my head. So it's like, you know, like this man. It's like being a relief pitcher. That's like being a closer, right? Yeah. Yeah.

One pitch. So frustrating. It's like, man, these guys get paid two like man These guys get paid to they're pretty dang good My fire is fueled back to a travel saying because the World Series is coming up We're gonna see a world champion announced in a couple weeks and it's baseball season right now, man I can't thank you so much. Thank you enough CC for coming on It was awesome talking sir getting your story and also just your frame on this series It's about to happen. You're the best brother. Appreciate it. Thank you so much I appreciate it. I appreciate a big fan to y'all. So anytime you want me to come on anytime I'm on hell

Yeah, awesome best brother. We'll definitely have to get a get a few rounds of golf in over there on the east That's what I'm saying Easy one to get in exactly Hit up old trout I'm saying, this is a jersey, this is an easy one to get in. Exactly. Absolutely. Hit up on Trout. And that wraps up another episode of New Heights. Thank you to my man C.C. Sabat for joining us. Make sure you subscribe on YouTube to the New Heights channel and follow New Heights

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