New Heights with Jason and Travis Kelce - Mahomes Bromance, Stumping Caitlin Clark, Hurts' Snaps, LeBron Gets Paid, "Edelnut" & MORE | Best Of

Episode Date: July 30, 2025

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Wondery Plus subscribers can listen to new heights early and ad free plus unlock access to exclusive episodes of the show Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app Apple podcast or Spotify today Hi, it's Emily Durham the host of the straight shooter recruiter podcast now What would you do if you went on Love Island UK to find the one and boom your ex is one of the casa Amor girls? Because personally I'm packing my bags. The party is over, people. Like, I'm done here. There is no more for me to give. Obviously, that is not quite what you can expect from Harry this season. Because honestly, every time I log into HeyU to watch Love Island UK, I'm holding my breath because I don't know what to expect from this man. He's incredible TV, a rollercoaster of emotion,

an indecisive icon, emphasis on he is incredible TV, but also Megan and Dee as a couple. You know what? Let me not spoil anything. All I can say is this season is reminding me why I haven't been on a date in months, okay? Mostly because I have been home glued to my TV watching every single episode on Hey You. I am so excited for the finale. I actually don't know who I think is going to win, but all I know is is no one better be breaking my girl Yasmin's heart, okay? Leave her alone. You can watch Love Island UK with me on Hey You, the home of reality TV.

My rookie year or my rookie contract, I'm coming up on redoing my rookie contract and I decide a potential, I'm like, okay, I think I might do this myself. I might forego, it should be my own agent, negotiate my own contract. And thankfully my agents were like, they talked me into like, no, no, no, we need to, you're going to want an agent. Trust me Jason. They sent over the first offer and I was like, all right, where do we sign? We could get it. We could go high. We could go high.

That's funny. Welcome back to new Heights. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, a Wondry show by Wavesports and Entertainment and brought to you by DraftKings. That's right. The crown is yours. All right. We've got an incredible best of episode for you guys today. We put together some of our favorite moments from the conversation with some of the best athletes we've had on the podcast. You'll hear from

Patrick Mahomes, Jalen Hurts, Katelyn Clark, Kronk, Shaq, LeBron James, Matt Stafford, and more. Remember, we'll be back with new episodes of New Heights just in time for the NFL season on August 27th. You won't wanna miss it. Our guest is Super Bowl MVP, Mr. Julian Edelman, baby! Yes sir! Yeah!

Ha ha ha! What an intro, what an intro. Mr. Julian Edelman, baby! Yes, sir! Yeah! Ha-ha-ha! What an intro. What an intro. Woke was, like, one of the best route runners I've ever seen. Like, the first couple years when I was with him, I was like, this dude's a fucking monster. He was so small and so quick. Even on a press coverage, he could get, like, four steps in and he'd be doing his head shit.

Ah! He could get guys to turn their hips and just, bop-bopop and get in. Like his release came and his routes, they were fucking sick. And you know, honestly, it was a huge part of, you know, how I got to learn the position. You know, I came in playing quarterback, you know,

so like I got to watch him and I got to take tidbits from fucking Randy Moss, Joey Galloway, like all these guys. And even if they're- What's Randy telling you? just be bigger and faster than everybody and jump off and catch them. Like I just remember Randy. How do you do?

He used to call me Edel nut. Hey Edel nut, get my hot tub about one oh three and get my Gatorade. Used to have the metal tubs. Yes. You know, you have metal tubs and hot tub. Yes. He never wanted to go on the regular hot tub. He had to have his metal tubs. You know you have metal tubs and hot tubs. He never wanted to go on the regular hot tub.

He had to have his own shit with the, he had to have this, it was like menthol, rubbing alcohol in there. Fucking, that's all. And he'd go, Edelman, go get my towel, my Gatorade, make that hot tub about 103, 102. Don't fuck it up. This one time.

What a legend. Yes sir. This one time, Randy, it was like the day before Christmas and we had to work. We had a game on Christmas or something and Randy was talking to his mom and I just walked by. I was like, hey, Randy, tell Mama Moss, I said, you know, Merry Christmas.

He goes, Edelnut, when I'm talking to my motherfucking mom, you shut the fuck up. I literally went like this I looked at and I fucking just I walked away yeah I contact I was so scared I was a rookie he's like don't you fucking talk to me I'm talking my mom but he'd always loved me up too you know yeah yeah but like you could learn things from him like how he tracked the ball like like in one- on ones, he would sit and run and it looked like he wasn't running and the ball would come and we all know that

there were the DBs play hands. You throw your hands out there. DBs are going to try to come through. He would just run and the ball would come right there. And he just boop and just pop his little hands out the last second, you know, so you could take things from anyone. Yeah. Oh yeah. Especially as a route runner. Was Welker, like, did he help you out with the route running and all that stuff? Like, or was it more just like watching him do it?

Watching. You know, I love Welk to death, you know, but he was kind of like the asshole older brother. You know what I mean? Like, I was there to take his job and he was there to- Well, that ended up happening when he got hurt, right? And then you kind of got out of the city. I know what an asshole older brother is, man.

That is it. It's a tough position to be in as the younger brother. I feel like I could be way more of an asshole. Oh, you thought I was talking about you. Did you actually take Jerry Rice's daughter to prom and try on the Super Bowl ring? Was that real? She took me to her prom. Ooh.

And yes, I did wear those Super Bowl rings. Sorry, Jerry. I used to go into his office all the time. He was never home. And yes, I did do wear those super bowl rings. That's sorry, Jerry. I used to go into his office all the time. He was never home. So I'd be over there playing with balls. I saw jerseys. It was crazy. Jerry Rice, bro.

I was a Barry kid. He's a fucking legend. I mean, the record center himself. It was, it was so crazy. And they had such a cool house. Man. It was so crazy and they had such a cool house Man Right now I met him dude came out yoked up six packed up with his chain on Yet is like his fucking dreads that are starting back here. He's old Jerry by the

Oakland Jerry Oakland Jerry he'd to beet the fuck out of me yeah yeah he wasn't having it which I understand I have a daughter I have a daughter I'm a father of one number 95 chiefs defensive tackle Chris Stone Cold Jones where are we at here if we're sticking to it it's the uh combine yeah nice combine man I'll tell the combine you had one of the most electric combine moments i think uh has ever has ever uh gone on national television man yes let's just talk about it yeah yeah let's talk about it big guy how's that 40 yard dash i'll be honest with you bro i was i was so big on being different from everyone Everybody was wearing the fucking long tights. I was like, you know what? I am I going out there and copying everybody I'm aware the short types. I didn't realize they was boxers, bro

Honest to God You know, they put you in the trains when you're standing It's like these the rooms are like little train cabins that I could barely see. So I'm just grabbing them. I'm like, I'm gonna put these on, I'm gonna run in these. Fucking get out there, everybody is looking crazy. I'm like, let's do it.

Oh my gosh, well it made you faster, man. It made you so fast, you tripped over your feet. Oh my gosh. I tripped over that third leg. Tripped over and just jumped out, man. That shit is so fucking funny, man. I'm not going to lie. We were dying laughing. The face you had when the camera came up to you, I believe you said it right there in quotes, like my dick fell out. Bro.

I think that's what you said right after. Exactly what I said, I didn't even believe it. I was running, I was looking at the 40, and all of a sudden I feel it. I feel it touch my leg, and I'm like, oh shit. So I try to cuff it and take the dive, you know what I mean? Cause I know little kids watching. And I'm like, cuff it and take the dive. You know what I mean? Cause I know little kids watching.

And I'm like, God. Put your tick away, Chris. I gotta say, how blessed you are to even be able to describe it as though your dick fell out. Cause I don't even think I could describe that adjective of mine. I don't think it can fall anywhere. Like, there's... Oh, man.

We gotta get those things. That's some good shit, man. Oh, that's some good shit. Hey, man, what are you even thinking about the kids, man? Put that shit away. That shit was fucking hilarious. I mean, that is crazy. Like, what would be going...I mean, I guess that is what's going through your head.

You're like, oh my gosh. There's kids watching, there's families here. I mean, that guess that is what's going through your head. You're like, oh my gosh, there's kids watching, there's families here. I mean, that had to be crazy. Quoted to Sports Illustrated, too. That's the seventh theme. My dick came out. I looked down and the Hummer is out. The Hummer.

Man. Stone Cold, you're the greatest man. You're the absolute greatest man. It was a lot of fun. We got the man, the myth, Mr. Rob Gankowski baby! What was it like meeting Tom? Do you remember the first time you met him? Yes, I do. I was in the training room getting my foot taped and my ankles taped or whatever. He comes up and he's like, hey, I'm Tom. I was like, I was like, oh.

I was like, I gotta play it cool too. I was like, I'm just gonna introduce myself. I'm not all big fan or anything. I was like, hey, I'm Rob, man. But it was just hilarious. He was like, yeah, Tom, I know you're Tom, dude. Like I'm in the facility. It's not like I'm meeting you somewhere else either.

Like I'm in the football facility. It's not like I'm meeting you somewhere else either. Like I'm in the football facility. And then what was funny is like a couple years later, new rookies came in and he still did it to new rookies. And I was just sitting there watching like their reaction and they're like, they all get confused. You're like, he just introduced himself as Tom. That was a good scene to see. Yeah, that's how you know you're a next level superstar when you introduce yourself by your

name and everybody's like, yeah, we know who you are, man. You don't got to say that anymore. Yeah, is there so I don't know what led to you guys having like such great chemistry. Was it just, you know, you guys on the same wavelength? Was it practice? Was it all the above? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, not the same wavelength at first. I mean, at first, I thought he was out of control, man. I was like, this dude, this dude crazy. Like, like, I just know. Really? Yeah, I never seen anyone in what way like, like, like a dickhead, like, kind of, I was like, he's like a coach.

This isn't like my buddy, you know? You're going into the NFL. You're expecting it to be that, what's that movie with Jamie Foxx as a quarterback? It was Sunday, any given Sunday, baby. Any given Sunday. In my mind, that's what I was expecting. That's what I was expecting.

I'm right there with you. That's how I lived my first couple years in the NFL too. That's what I wanted. The movie's tricking me. You think I'm gonna do the movie. Every time. So I'm like, no, this isn't anything like any given Sunday. I'm like, this guy's fucking yelling at me.

I mess up just a tad bit and the dude's yelling at me. Get over there like a coach. He's yelling at me more. And then it took me a little bit, you know to realize like what where it was coming from and and what the love was for and I kind of felt like he was more hard on me at first because I think he saw some talent in me man.

I think he saw the opportunity that I had that was presented in front of me and every single day man after practice you make me stay. He would make me and two other rookies stay. He'd be like, we're getting on the same page. And he'd be throwing pass after pass, round after round. I'm like, man, I just took first team,

I took second team, and I took that. What's that one? What's that one? That rookie year reps, ain't no fucking joke. And they keep everyone after, the rookies, and the second year players. What's that called again? The mini-camp? Development again? The mini camp?

The rookie mini camp? Oh yeah, rookie mini camp. No, no, no. After practice they bring over the guy like to the other side of the field. Like say it's joint training camp and like. We, yeah, we. That might be the Patriot way.

No, no, it was every way. It was like fundamentals or something. It was called like that. Yeah, we call it developmental. Yeah, that's what we call it. That one or something. And I did all that too and then he'd be like, no, you're staying after. And then boom, I'd be running 10 routes with him

after the practice too. And then he would be calling me in the meetings, this is how I want you to run the route. I don't ever want you to go around the guy here. Like it's a flag route. He goes, get outside of the guy when you run a corner. If you go inside, guess what? I'm never throwing you the ball.

He was just always telling me the place where he wanted me to be. But I had so much going on that I freaking couldn't get it all down. I'm like, okay, I get it. You want me there, but I can't get there. I'm thinking way too much. When you're thinking you're losing already. And I'm just thinking like crazy. Right. Ties the feet up. But then after that, it kind of clicked. He caught you up to speed. Yeah, he caught me up to speed. His speed was ridiculous when I first got there. And then after that, it kind of clicked. He caught you up to speed. Yeah, he caught me up to speed. His speed was ridiculous when I first got there.

And then after a couple more practices, going throughout the year training camp, about halfway through my rookie season, everything started clicking. I was like, oh, all right, this is what he wants. This is where he wants me to be. This is how he wants me to run the route and everything. And then going into my second year, I was ready for it.

I was like, oh shit, I got this game down to a science now. Not like two people, I got it down. And then we worked in the off season, and then going into training camp just after practice every day, yo, let's go. Let's get on the same page. So there was a lot of fun. You were getting on him?

Was there ever a day he forgot, and you were like, hey yo, Tom, we gotta throw? Yeah, no, no, no, I never said that. No. On the day he forgot, I said, oh, I was like, oh, I was like, oh, thank, Tom, we got to throw. Yeah, no, no, no, I never said that. The day he forgot, I said, oh, I was like, oh, I was like, oh, thank you. His kids are here because then he would run over to his kids. I'm like, oh, thank you, kids. Please welcome Mr. Matthew Stafford.

Thank you very much. Thank you for having me. That's a hell of an intro. I need you in game. You played with two of the best D tackles in this Decade plus of football and Aaron Donald and in Dominic and sue. Yeah, who frightens you more as a quarterback? You know spent more I probably played more I don't know it might be kind of close I was gonna say I played more games against Aaron Donald than I did sue But I'm quite a few against Sue there at the end. I would say having experience with both ADs, it was a different deal.

I agree. Because there was like, the get-off was crazy. He just wrecked practices. Sue was that way too in a lot of instances and was a great player for us in Detroit and then bounced around and had some unbelievable seasons at other places too, but... AD was, uh, that was something different. Um, just watching him go about his job every single day. I remember, like, the third practice

I was there in training camp, we have no pads on, and we're in a quick game, I'm throwing a hitch to the field, and I smash my thumb on his helmet, and I'm like, yo, I just caught the ball. It's like, catch, throw, bang! And I'm like, and next thing you know, everybody had the guardian caps on. They were like, yeah, next ever some.

But he was crazy in his ability. And I would say the respect that he got from offensive lines and other offenses was something I've never seen before. Yeah, I would agree with that. I mean, we treated him differently than any other defensive tackle that we ever played. And Sue was, I think Sue was like almost, I would agree with that. I mean we treated him differently than any other defensive tackler that we ever played in and sue was

The real I think sue was like almost he like wanted to kill somebody Yeah, where ad wanted to kill somebody too, but it was like a different level of intensity I agree ad though his like motor it was every single snap every single play You could not take a play off and he never took a play off. Yeah, I don't know how he had that kind of conditioning It was to this day. Yeah know how he had that kind of conditioning to this day. The combinedness of his athleticism is explosive in strength.

And he's a smart player too. And he just never stopped. Yeah, he's a smart player. I mean, he knew, you talk to him. I get in the cafeteria and you sit down, you talk to him, and he's like, yeah, I knew if I wasn't doubled. If the center didn't come to me, it's run away. Because the center comes to me every pass play.

And if the center comes to me, it's pass or it's run two. Center goes away, like you're not blocking me with two. So he knew it was run away, and then he's shooting a backside gap. I mean, like he was just like, could make decisions and go like that, that quickly. It was impressive to be around him and watch him work. I mean, the way he worked out, we had a,

I'll never forget, and he was crazy in the weight room. Oh, I know what? Like The Rock came in and worked out with him one time and they were freaking just. Just doing knife fighting. Yeah, I mean, he's a maniac in the weight room, right? And I'll never forget, this was 21 or 22 maybe. We had like a Make-A-Wish kid who had like a year before had been like hey I want to

my dream is to go like be with an anadomal for a day kind of thing and thankfully this kid at that point had kind of beaten the odds and had beaten the cancer that he had I believe and like was really on the mend and it was really cool like he came in and you're like oh man this guy's like doing good right high school kid like bigger kid uh like loved to play football, and AD was like, cool, come work out with me, right? And I'm like, I'm walking by, I'm like, yo, what is about to go down? Yeah, right? And I look over, and like,

I'm over there doing like banded something, and like 30 minutes in, and AD's just ripping curls out, and this, next thing you know, this kid is puking in the trash can in the hallway. Oh my God! And I'm like, AD, can you please like, have a little cooth, a little understanding like no you got what he wanted

you wanna be AD? you wanna be AD? it was unbelievable for months AD I'm like, god, can we just relax on the bicep curls for a little bit it's like, how many do we do? till we throw up, you know it was just like, unbelievable I was like, this guy has no, the motor just never stops, man.

It was incredible. I remember it was my first time playing in LA against the Rams and it was a pre-season game. And I'm number three closest to the line. We're running all go special. It's cover two or at least I see too high. And I'm thinking I'm just right up the hash. And I take off and I'm like, man,

I'm just gonna fucking dig for my first like five to ten yards and by the time I got to the like five yards downfield I felt something throw me to the numbers And I got out out of that play like fucking like little days. I'm like what in the fuck was that? And I watched it on film and it was 80 coming from the backside B gap and just fucking smoked me Oh, I believe it was a blitz from the other side and I was just like what the fuck I had never felt like more of like like the lightest thing in the Move that fast before ever in my life by anybody. I remember we're I was in Detroit We're playing a game against the Rams and there was st. Louis still at that point

Jim Bob was our coordinator and you know, I dropped back to pass late in the game, we need to play, and Aaron, I have two hands on the ball, right, like this, and Aaron just comes up from behind me and just rips both my biceps apart, the ball falls down the ground. And I'm like, I'm looking at him and I'm like, I come over to the sideline, I'm like, I mean I'm pissed and I'm like, I don't know what I'm supposed to do there, he's like, you gotta find a way to hold on to it. I'm like go fuck yourself Like this and like kindly separated my arms he's like I'll take the ball I was with Jim Bob. I'll never forget when he came up. I will probably cut this

Go tell them tell it anyways, so I'm sitting there We had just hired Nick Sirianne and Shane Steichen and Jim Bob was on the staff. I had never met Jim Bob Oh, yeah, I didn't know about him in Detroit. Really? Yeah, he comes up and he says hey Jason My name is Jim Bob Cooter and I fucking laugh comes up and he says, Hey Jason, my name is Jim Bob Coutter. And I fucking laugh. Like audibly like a giggle. Yeah. And I'm like, Oh, that's fucking real. Awesome fucking dude. He's a great dude. All time name. The Time magazine athlete of the year. Miss Caitlin Clark, please welcome everyone. We're going to try the segment. We've never done it. It's probably going to be very short lived. It's called name a person. We're going to go around the horn and each name an athlete from Iowa until we can't anymore.

Oh gosh. I feel like you're probably not going to struggle. Can you name current players? No, no, there's just have to be an athlete. Have to be former players? Can they be current? No, they can be former. They have to be former.

Have to be former. Can you know of current? No, they can be current. I'm going to try to do like NFL current players. See if I can do. Okay. You might beat us in that too. Travis has like the, actually we both really have the positions. So, let's see how that happens.

All right. Who's starting? I'll start. George Kittle. I knew that was going to be the first person he was going to say. I'm going to say Sam Laporta just to take Travis's answers away from him before. Okay. I'm going to go Tyler Linderbaum on the raid. No. Nice. Nice. I'm going to go Tyler Linderbaum on the

rave. Nice. Nice. I'm going to go Claire Kittle. Tristan Worf's. That's right. Solid answer. The Eagles actually rookie Kubra Dajin. Nice.

Nijay, what about a little TJ Hakkasan? That's right. He's on the Vikings, right? Yes. Yes. He's finally back healthy doing his thing. That's awesome.

I'm going to get a throwback here. I'm going to get a throwback. Robert Galleri. His wife actually played basketball at Iowa too. What? Look at that. Yeah. They actually came to quite a few of our games last couple of years.

Great people. Cool people. Oh gosh. Okay, let's see. Hmm. This is tough. We stumped her. We stumped her. I'm thinking about NFL players. What? She's still thinking about NFL. She's going all day. I'm going to go Gino Stone. I think he's on the bangles now. I'm pretty sure he had a pick six this past week. All right. All right. I'll take your word for it. I'll take it. All right, we respect Gino. What you got, Trev?

I'm gonna go a little Chiefs tight end when I first got to Kansas City, Tony Moiyake. Ooh. My dog, my Chi-Town brother. Shout out to T-Mo, man. I'm gonna go another former teammate, Julian Vanderveld. Julian Vanderveld. No way. Did anybody say Dallas Clark? No, the legend. I was holding onto that one. He made Julian Vanderveld, Julian Vanderveld.

Did anybody say Dallas Clark? No, the legend. No gloves, no gloves. I'll stay in the tight end world over there. Uh, no offense. That's right. Yes. Yep. Eight seven over there in Seattle. All right. All right. I'm going, I'm going to go Marshall Yonda. This dude is going out this random name. I'm pulling up the old schools.

I'm going to go Riley Moss on the Broncos. I'm going with the younger players. Nice. Going to school with me. Well, I'll show my age and Jason's as well because he was the same recruiting class. He was also a Kansas City chief when I got to Kansas City, Ricky Stansley, quarterback Iowa. Oh man. This might be where I, um,

this is where it ends. This might be pretty sure. I'm pretty sure Matt Tobin played Friday. Sure. I'm next to positive. Then you lost. If you're pretty sure you lost. All right we'll end it there. I think we all did very respectfully. We did great. I'm impressed. That was fun. That was fun. The eye with who? The tobe with the eye! I knew it tobe. That was a fun one.

We welcome number 15, Patrick Mahomes everyone! Wow. Let's fucking go. That was impressive. I'm gonna break the tooth baby. You and Travis are known for having quite the bromance, Pat. I got her. I see you guys hanging out all the place. I gotta make it out there with Tahoe with you guys one year,

but it's such a big bromance that even Brittany is jealous. She tweeted out how jealous she was of your guys' relationship a few weeks ago. What were your honest first impressions of Travis and vice versa? How did this bromance come together? Should I tell them the story, dude? That's your call, man. That's my call. It's a bad look on me. So obviously I get here at the beginning of the year and I'm still a rookie. So I'm just kind of going going through the motion trying to figure out the best way to kind of fit in and I think the first

time that I thought I was like me and Travis are gonna we're gonna be we're gonna be connected throughout this my entire career was you remember when we had the fourth preseason game we used to have a little off time you had like a little weekend you played on Thursday we know coach coach Reed always would give you the the walkthrough the day before the actual walk through and me being a kid fresh out of college, I had a couple of buddies that were rookies with me and they're like, let's, let's go out Saturday, man. Let's go out. We'll have the walk through on Sunday. We're done with just got back from St. Joe's. We had a great pre

season. Um, so we go out and coach Rita told us the next day at like eight o'clock, we're going gonna have a 15 minute walk through done That's all you have on Sunday. So I'm I set eight alarms on my phone I have them all I go out with the rookies Of course I get out there and I see old Travis Kelsey out at the same spot as I'm at and I'm like Hey, let's try like come on get all y'all come to come over here to do this. Let's have a great time So I have a great time. So I have a great night, get home, have all my alarms set.

I made sure of that. Go to sleep, wake up, not to an alarm, wake up, look at the TV, and I see 815 on my TV screen, on the resting thing. I didn't put my phone in the charger, so my phone died. And rookie mistake. Too many times. And so, obviously drove to the facility extremely fast.

Dangerous. You can't overlook that initial feeling of understanding that you're not gonna make it there on time is the most like- Your heart just drops. No, no, no, no, no no this isn't happening this is happening am i dreaming and then immediately immediately you just start telling yourself how uselessly stupid how could you do this you suck you're so unaccountable man get it

together man and then uh to complete the story i i get there and i get to the facility and we're they're already in the walkthrough obviously already going and and I get to the facility and we're there already in the walkthrough Obviously already going and I walk up to the door and like how the chiefs facility is built Though defense does on the first side of the field and the offense is on the other side and I was like there is no chance I'm walking through the defense late to get to the office While we're playing the Super Bowl champs The Patriots like that on opening night that week. And so I sit in the locker room and I'm just sitting there shaking my head and they call

me up to the office and I get the max fine, all this different stuff, feel like an idiot. And I thought it was so weird that the first question they asked me was, were you a Travis? And I was like, no, no, no not at all why would you even ask that and long story short Travis was also late he got there five minutes before me. Oh fuck dude. Dude I'm coming into the building like fuck man I can't believe I fucking screwed this up again man because I'm not gonna say I'm notorious for late but I screwed up a few times before and it's been late so I'm in my head about it I'm like man coach Reed is gonna kill me man I can't even look at this guy in his eyes I'm gonna be looking down

at the ground while he tells me I'm the worst teammate ever man and I walk into the building and they're like were you with Pat last night where's Pat? I was just like At that point I knew we're teammates man under that guy was gonna have super Since then though, I believe me and Travis have never been late again So we have been on the straight and arrow since then So I won't be late again. I don't know about Travis. I can't, I don't think Coach Reed will stand me ever being late again. So I have to make sure I get my ass up and go an early bed. I was late one time in college.

Do you remember the college rule? And it's Cincinnati. If you were late for the Friday morning lift, they would make you, the whole team do stadium steps until the guy showed up and they would take somebody to go get them. I woke up, same thing, realized I was late, in my street clothes, went straight into the stadium and just started doing stadiums. This is how bad I was.

Your teammates can respect that though. Your teammates were like, this guy cares. No, he feels bad about it. He's doing it in Timberlands. Just sweet. I remember I used to do, what is it? I used to have like a psychological like, yeah man, I mean time is time.

Back in college, like I wasn't really pressed about being late. So I would show up late or something like that and and I would get told I got to be at that five o'clock stadium step run and I would fuck, I would be ready. Like I would be, that was the only thing I was on time for. It just like Rocky Balboa that shit just like sprint the fuck out of them and just be like, I'm getting better today, baby. So they stopped making me run stadium steps and started making me push pennies on like the the weight room floor,

which is not a slippery surface. Yeah, I had to push panties finger and I wasn't allowed to play pushes. No, I've never heard of penny pennies pennies against a weight room floor. And I had to do it in a figure eight and I wasn't allowed to be on like my knees are like, you're like, yeah, the stand up. Dude couldn't get high for that one. So they beat me on the sickest thing I've done in college was we have you done like the roles where you like you have to get like this is barrel roll across the field. Everybody's just throwing

out the entire terrible. Well, my first punishment, it was a team punishment for everybody was missing class that Kingsbury had us do that. but he played, uh, get your roll on, which like everybody gets your role. He played it for like everybody's just rolling and throwing up. I'm like, this is just psychological warfare by coach Kingsbury out here at Texas tech. When you hear that song to this day, do you have like Pavlov's dog? Like, are you like immediately? When you hear that song to this day, do you have Pavlov's dog? Are you immediately interested? No, I hate it. I hate it immediately.

All I can think about is how sick I was that Wednesday morning at 4.30 before class. Boy, stomach starts returning over, man. That's good shit. The ever talented Mr. Jalen Hurts. What's up, baby? Jalen, thank you for joining us. Woo! Glad to be here, man.

So, uh. He's gonna make fun of me right here? What? Uh-oh. What do you mean? How do you know it's coming? You made fun of yourself by doing this shit. Don't put it on me.

Jason had a bad snap and gave you a forced fumble, man. He put it all on you last week, dog. First of all, have you ever had that happen? Put it all on you. Yeah. Have you ever had that happen where you're in shotgun and a center thinks you're under center? I don't think that's what happened. Not last well. Well, yeah, you just we're the same time All right

Snap the one he wasn't calling for the I wasn't I wasn't ready. I knew he shot a thing. You're shocking Yeah, but um, yeah, it's snapped it early. So Same thing, same thing. You were in shock. Yeah. But, yeah. Snapped it early. So, he has a very unique way of snapping the ball. It's a very nice way of saying,

every quarterback that I've ever played with hates how I snap the ball. Hey. Is it getting to you quick? Fast. It's up on you. Hey, Nolan Ry in the center right here. People always ask me why,

why is your stance so low? I'm like, I gotta be in an athletic position. They want sports to catch the ball when it's coming, you know? But. Oh yeah. I mean, cause I remember my rookie year when I came in, like I come in, I have a couple plays here and now throughout the game.

Oh yeah. And it was like a couple, like I learned that maybe a handful, it's like, I go in there and phone with a snack cause I just wasn't ready, like I wasn't in the position. You know what I'm saying? Some of them were bad snaps. But yeah, I ain't tripping, but he do his thing. You know what I'm saying?

He do his thing, I ain't tripping. I mean, really, I'd snap it fast. And I snap it fast cause I want my hand back. Yeah. That's about it. I got stuff to do. You gotta use these, It's not 1940 where you can't use those hands. You can actually put them on somebody. Yeah.

Like, you know, my advantage of like my skill set is quickness, right? So I want to get up on the guy quick. I want to be able to get into proper leverage because I'm not going to out muscle nobody. So just step fast. All right. I right, man. I have no complaint. The plus side is you got more time to make a decision if it's in the right spot.

Well, like I said, I try and put myself like, if I have to squat a little lower to catch it, I ain't tripping about it. He always asks me, like, how was that snap? Or if something, if there's like an inmate in the backfield or something like that, he's like kind of like, I know he's thinking about it. If he snapped it good enough, I'm like, you good, baby. Might have been me.

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Some call us Joe Scheisky, some call us Joe Q, how do you do it? That is great, there's a lot of people who call us Pro-Hole quarterback, Joe Pro-Hole! All right, you're also pro taunting. I am pro taunting, yeah. So am I. Why are you pro taunting? We're all grown adults that work really hard at what we do

and sometimes we like to show it. I'm not gonna get my feelings hurt if somebody sacks me and taunts me. Like, you made a play, I didn't. Like, good for you, you're allowed to taunt. Have you ever gotten the taunting flag? I've never got a taunting flag. How many you got?

At what level of football? He's throwing a flag, he's throwing at me. I did, though. That's my favorite one. I throw the flag at the ref. You can get a little feisty out there. Just a wee bit. Yeah. I have...

Trav going to talk that shit. I've got anger management, and I talk entirely too much. I do. Actually, one of my favorite taunting penalties that I got... Yes, I do have favorites. We were playing the Eagles, my first time playing it actually on the field against the Eagles in Kansas City.

In KC, you're the one that's your bowl. We did lose that game. Yes, that was the last game you guys lost that year. So we played them and sure enough, it's a low scoring game. We could have moved the ball too well on them. Smitty handed that thing off to Kareem Hunt. And it was me and Brandon Graham talking shit

the entire game. BG talks major shit. He will. It was before I knew BG all like that. And then sure enough, he got a little win. You know, they come in like hockey subs on the defensive line. Yeah, it's some bullshit.

Sure enough, he went off for a play. I hemmed up the D lineman that came in for him on one back power, which, if you guys don't believe, I can block. I blocked one of my plays. You were about to say you were blocking? I was, and I did my job. And I felt so good that I thought I'd run over to the sideline and tell Brandy Grant to bring

his ass back out here. Hey, what happened? Well, I got a flag for going to the sideline, talking to the sideline. You can't do that kids. And then Brandon Graham just continued to throw me around for the rest of the game. BG, little pit bull. Who's the best shit talker that you've played? You already talked about Fletcher Cox, you're welcome to the NFL, Bee Gees, known for, is there anybody else that's really up there for you? Not really. No. No.

That's fair. What about you, Orlando? You played against Max Cromby, right? Yeah, he wasn't talking when we played him though. Oh, Max, what are we doing? I'm pretty nice to the defensive line. Smart. So people aren't really talking to me like that because I'll just be like Smart guys my god my I would have to say biggest shit talkers

He's at the he's a you know, I've played with him at the one at the top of my list What I got a story for him too, but um top of my list. I got a story for him too, but um, BG and then our guy Trey Henderson. I just, yeah, holy shit. Shout out Trey, man. What a bad man. Yeah, hell yeah. But Trav's gonna talk that shit. We were playing Denver one time Sunday night and he comes in motion. This is mid-cadence. Why they need, why? He comes in motion back and forth mid-cadence. Wyatt 80, he comes in motion back and forth. And my D-end's wearing goggles. And as he comes back across the guard, he looks at the D-end, he says,

man, you got on fucking goggles? Oh, this guy's got on fucking goggles. Wyatt 80's, huh? I'm like, man, this is a trap. Trav, he gon' talk that talk, man. Guy couldn't even fucking see. Lying is a bat. You know him, that's the big shamrock,

the big Aristotle, the Superman, Shacktis, the day's all we got him. Simply Shack. AKA the Black Kelchie brother. Let's go. You got a favorite dunk of all time? My favorite dunk of all time was two of them. And I actually just seen this dude the other day,

Chris Dudley, and he looked at me and was like, are you trying to fight or are you trying to give me a hug? He started laughing, I started getting hugs. Nice. I took it as a sign of respect when he didn't double me. So I'm back and I don't even know who's on me. Like, you know, that switch, I'm like, I know this ain't fucking Chris Dudley.

So I take one little dribble to double still, like I'm, I tell you, you know, he's trying to, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, so I'm like, hmm, I take one dribble, like, the fuck? I take two dribbles, I even carry on the second, and I was like, oh, these motherfuckers not coming? Now I gotta, take that, and then just drop step, and then boom, and like like he was all on me and

I was like fuck off man. And then my second favorite dunk was game seven. Portland's kicking our ass. They are kicking our ass. So we come to the time on the fourth quarter and Phil Jackson, him and I told you used to like mind play with your minds. All right guys, great year. They're kicking your ass. I'll see you next year. So now we're like, Kobe's pissed he said it. I'm pissed he said it. I'm like, man, fuck that.

Let's go on a little run. Legendary quote, man. Kobe's in Kobe mode. He's getting to the hole and two people, three people, he don't care. He's know he has to score. And I'm telling him the whole time, amen, that fucking lab is open.

All right, amen, that lab is open. So we make eye contact. I won't say he winked at me, but he looked at me and he crossed his Scotty up at the top of the key. You know what, I'm not gonna even talk about the clip. Here it is right here. Yeah! Enter Brandon, don't you fuck that up.

Yeah, don't you fuck that up. Be on your shit, Brandon. But that was like the backdoor oop, the spin-off of a nigga man, iconic. No, no, that was the one where he crossed Scotty up and he got in the middle lane and he threw the motherfucker up too high and I had to go get it.

But here it goes! Oh, whoa, whoa, okay, Brandon! Okay, Brandon! Okay, Brandon, right there, throw it up, Kobe, throw it up, Kobe! Oh! Wow! Yeah, Kobe!

Good pass, yes, son, that one right there. That place is fucking rockin'! Oh my God. Cause I kept telling him, I was like, yo man, the lob is there. He was like, cause listen, one thing about Kobe, when Kobe gets in killer mode, don't fucking talk to him. Like he not trying to hit nothing.

Like he knows he's in attack mode, he's gonna score first of anything. I'm like, yo man, that lava's there. All right, yo Cove, the lava's there. Mother fucker, I sent the lava. Yeah, all right. And then like he at the top of the key and he gives me one of those things right there

and I'm like, huh? Is this it? And then when he threw it up, the motherfucker threw up too high. I had to fucking go. I was like, ah, I don't forget. And then, you know, as you see, I didn't catch it. Like I just, I said to myself,

I said to myself, if I get my hands on it, just fucking punch it through. Play it again, Brandon. I mean, because it wasn't really a clean catch. Hurry up, Brandon. Play it one more time, Brandon. He's not ready. He's not ready.

Come on, Brandon. Look right here. See, he backs it right there and right there he says, okay boy yeah, see that hand? That's the same one. He threw it and I just fucking slapped that bitch. Oh! Yeah, I just slapped it through.

Woo hoo hoo hoo! That's fucking electric. Please welcome Philadelphia Eagle, St. Juan Barkley! Here we go! I need that, I wish I got to! Oh! Yeah! I need that. I wish I got to have you two around. I need more intros like that, you know?

Could an average person gain one yard on a rushing play in the NFL? Yeah. The average person? Look at Jets Jake right now. Ha ha ha ha! Jets Jake, come on camera so we can see what you look like. Jets go on come on up here. I gotta say yes now I'm just dissing. There's no hard feelings here he's a Jets guy himself as well.

Do you play any ball back in your day? No. There we go. If you had to like run a 40 right now, like under six seconds? No chance. No chance. So you're just, you're not helping to cause it all. No, not at all. How's your vision? What's the play? 43, 24.

What's the like, what's the- 20-20 vision, that's a start. What's the play? I got, I can't like, actually I gotta say, there's a game I had, because of New York Jets. I had 13 carries and one rushing yard. Holy cow. And I would say I'm a pretty good running back.

At least you got one. So you're probably not getting it. Yep, yeah, average person is probably not getting one yard. And he's out. All right. I had to think that one through. I think about it sometimes, because if a gardener tackle destroy a double team,

anybody could probably get a yard, but you gotta think about how slow it's gonna take them to get to the hole. And how fast everything changes, right? Oh gosh. They wouldn't even know like. If the average guy's Jets Jake. If it's outside zone, no shot.

My bad Jake, I love you. You're above average in my heart. Above average person. Way above average person. That's what matters. We don't, yes. We don't, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Who can squat more, you or Jalen Hurts? Ooh. That's not even close.

You think it's not even close? That's not even close. Jalen, Jalen's got you? No. What? No. I'm like, I don't do that no more. I don't do that no more, but like,

when I'm in my, when I was like really in that mindset of squatting and like squat off, I would put myself up there with a lot of people. I'm watching this clip of, let's say I'm squatting 5.85 right now. Was that in college? Nah, that was last year. No, this is the pros.

Damn! And it's not even remotely difficult. I don't max out anymore, stuff like that. That's like, those days are one of those days where it's like, you're like, let's just push the fucking needle a little bit. Let's put something on you and try it. Just put a car on our back.

Jalen Strong, he probably the strongest quarterback in the NFL. Ever. Ever. T-Bo? Squat 600 pounds. Just put a car on our back. Jalen Strong, he probably the strongest quarterback in the NFL. Ever. Ever. Tebow? Squat 600 pounds. Who was Tebow squatting?

Tebow was a pretty big dude. He's a quarterback? Tebow. Well you know Jalen power lifted when he was a ice quarterback. I'm a quarterback. Wow. What? I play quarterback?

Five shots. I got the same too. He moved a tight end. He's last. Yeah, bring it together. His last game was a tight end. That's all I'm saying. I do a touchdown in the playoffs, all right now.

After watching those two clips, that 585 squat was damn impressive. Jalen's pretty strong. He don't got me. Shout out to T-Bo too. He's my favorite college football player. Behind Cam Newton and Reggie Bush. I'm a better one squad, like one rep max too.

Same. Yeah, I'm not like, I'm more of like. You're more of like an explosive. Put it on, give me a number, sit down, and stand the fuck up. Do you know what the most you've ever squadded is? The most I probably ever put on my back was in the 600s, but college, NFL, I never really got the chance to do,

we don't do one rep max, so. Only one rep max. Ran out of bar. You can't put, the weights don't even fit on the bar at that point. You had the bands holding it on at that point. Yeah, right? Yeah.

That's when you feel bad. It just looks like a you, it just looks like a you when you pull it off of the rack. That's right. You use the Valsalva technique, that's where Jason. You fill up with air. There it is.

Fill up with air there with air You might be down and then listen I guess when you got quads is as good as say Kwan you don't We had to use everything we could Every technique that we possibly could have you ever uh flexed out Was em like you like? Then I get lightheaded and all of a sudden you get real lightheaded. And then just hit the. And fall?

Yeah. It's a thing on TikTok. I've got lightheaded before. It's one of my favorite segments. 92 percenters, please welcome Northeast Ohio's finest, Mr. LeBron James. Let's go! Ohio's finest Mr. LeBron James! Let's go! Oh my God.

Yeah! Yo, yo Jason, that might be the greatest introduction of all time. Well you see all these shoes behind me, man. You already know I'm a sneakerhead. Oh I know, I know. I've collected them over the years, man. Was it always

Nike? You used to wear the T-Max at St. Vincent St. Mary. I think I've seen you wear the old Iversons. Was it always Nike? Trav, no it was not. It was not always Nike. It was Nike when I was a young kid. When I was a young lad, obviously, you know,

you, you know, I've been in love with Michael Jordan my whole life. So, you know, I saw him, Penny Hardaway, you know, Ken Griffey Jr., Bo Jackson, I watched all these unbelievable sports figures. So as a kid growing up, it was Nike. Once I got into the AAU program,

started playing basketball, Adidas took us over, you know, and it became Adidas. It was Adidas like from seventh, eighth grade to pretty much my junior senior year. They sponsored us every year. We played in all the Adidas tournaments, big time tournament in Vegas and all over the United States of America. So it was it was Adidas and then my senior year the process began the recruitments. The the Nikes came in and the Adidas was still there.

Reebok came in. Yeah, and won, you know, all these's came in and Adidas was still there. Reebok came in and won. You know, all these companies came in and I took on three pitches. I did a Adidas pitch, I did a Reebok pitch, I did a Nike pitch. The best pitch that I got where I thought I was going to end up was actually Reebok at one point.

Reebok? I point. Reebok. I went to their meeting. I went to their meeting and I sat down across from their CEO and the guys that was running basketball at the time. I don't know if you guys remember this, but Reebok had the NFL as well. Yes. Yeah, that's what it was when I first got in the league. They had the NFL as well. So they, you know, they knew making a push.

They knew my love for football as well. So they had all the NFL they you know, they knew they knew my love for for football as well. So, they have all the NFL jerseys, all the pro bowl looking jerseys that was going to be the next year and I'm sitting across from the table. I'm a senior in high school. I actually have to have I actually go to I'm going to back to class the next day. They flew me in. I'm going back to St. Mary the next day my senior year. And the guy slides over a check to me at the end of the table. It's me and my mom and Maverick Carter at the end of the table. And he says, if you don't go talk to any other companies,

this is yours. And I look at it. I look at it. $10 million fucking dollars. $10 million. Just right there as an 18 year old, I was still stealing change out of my dad's fucking piggy bank. I was a high school senior man. They gave me a check for $10 million. If I promise not to go see anybody else, I told him I need a break. They stepped out. I need to fucking break time already. I can't believe 30. I can't believe 30.

I sat there. I need a time out. My mom looked at it and me and my mom, we're living in an apartment and you know, section 8 housing in Akron. I'm going back. I don't have shit, whatever. And my mom looked at me. She said, son, trust your gut. If they're offering you this, then who knows what the other companies may offer you. Okay, mom. Yeah, ma. She's composed. Yeah, she's super composed. She's like, we ain't got shit already. So it's not like, you know, it changes our life at this moment. Yes, maybe in the

future but I want you to trust your gut and do what you think is right. That's awesome advice, man. So, they came back in. Boop. I said, uh thank you. I will, you know, I will definitely like to continue our conversation but I

would be remiss if I did not take those other pitches from the other companies. I may have cried on the way home because I had to live in Jimmy. Your question, man, I hope I just made the right decision. I could have bought the building that me and my mom was living in for that goddamn money. What? Easily.

You already know. I got a similar, my rookie year or my rookie contract, I'm coming up on redoing my rookie contract and I decide, potentially I'm like, okay, I might do this myself. I might coming up on redoing my rookie contract. And I decide a potential, I'm like, okay, I think I might do this myself. I might forego, just be my own agent, negotiate my own contract. And thankfully, my agents were like, they talked me into like, no, no, no, we need to, you're going to want an agent, trust me. They sent over the first offer and I was like, all right, where do we sign? They're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, where do we sign? We can get it. We can go high. We can go.

Oh, man. That's funny as shit. Yeah. That first time you get a check like that. You never forget. You never see that. You never seen that many zeros of your life. Never, never, never. Man, that's too funny. Have you seen this tweet from 2015? LeBron is 30, this fucker will go on for much longer. Thank God. Yes, I saw that tweet throughout all of my 30s. All of my 30s. And I laughed at it so hard.

You put it up in the locker and you just put it right there? And you know what's funny? When I turned 40, the same fucking guy said, LeBron turned 40, this fuckery won't go on much longer. That's fucking gold, man. So good, so good. Look at that, that's so good.

Oh my goodness, oh my goodness. He's gonna be real upset when I turn 50. No doubt. No doubt. That shit was fucking classic, man. Before the internet ruled our lives, AOL brought America online with email and instant message. You got mail. By 2000, AOL was so powerful, it bought media giant Time Warner. This was a deal that was supposed to bring us

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You obviously drafted both of us. And I don't know if I've ever told you this story, but I was in the Pro Bowl one year and John Gruden was sitting there. I think you guys had done a production meeting and he said, you know, I saw Andy before one of the games. And I said, so you drafted Jason and you drafted Travis. And he said, your response was, I drafted Jason,

I drafted Travis, and if there's any other Kelseys out there, I'll draft them too. So I'm asking you right now on the spot, why my daughter is three years old? If you're still coaching in 18 years, can we get another Kelsey draft thing? Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. You got a why. You got it baby girl. Do you remember what led to me getting drafted? And do you remember, I think we all remember what led to him getting drafted, because all three of us were on the phone that day. I guess what's the story behind mine and

then we'll talk about Travis yours. Yours was really easy. So you're a great player. Little bit undersized. But had tremendous toughness, speed. You were smart and dirty tough. And so I, you know, that was an easy decision. And we needed a center. And so you fit in.

We just got rid of all that linebacker stuff and you gave you the hard mud and cut you loose. Yeah, this guy. I saw a play against temple. Yeah. And my son kept selling me this tight in is unbelievable. Kelsey's brother is like incredible. You know, he's 265 pounds. He's a beast. And then I get then I get scouting. I know that I get him. He's like 240. But that's okay. I remember this. I'm going to bring back a memory for you. Game's over.

They just destroyed Temple. And I come over to the locker room. You're there. And he comes walking, beep, up and out and just giving me the business. Yeah. Like we're long lost friends. And I'm going, deep down, I'm going, if I get my hands on that son of a buck, I'm going to really get him.

And he's like, I'm going to get him. And I'm like, I'm going to get him. And he's like, I'm going to get him. And he's like, I'm going to get him. And he's like, I'm going to get him. And he's like, I'm going to get him. And he's like, I'm going to get him. And he's like, I'm going to get him're long lost friends. And I'm going, deep down I'm going, if I get my hands on that son of a buck, I'm gonna rip his heart out. But I played along with it, played along with it.

Cocky, cocky, game is cocky. But listen, I knew the roots, I knew the roots. So for the first five years, it's been, it was a war. The last five years has been unbelievable. You know, he traveled the country to 50 states, dating 50 girls. I knew this show would be easy. I knew this show would be easy.

This show would be easy. Yeah, this is nothing compared to that. We've named plays after it. We've had our fun. And that play has been a hell of a play for us, coach. No, it has. It has. Constant seven. Not that show, though. Not that show. Not a show. We won't rerun that show.

I don't think anybody's rerunning that. Do you think so? Back to draft night. Does Travis get drafted if you don't, if you hadn't drafted me and knew me already with the red flags that were kinda out there around him. Yeah, that would've been tough. If you were in the league, I still would've called you. Yeah. Yeah, I would've called you.

Somewhere I would've called you and checked on him, just to make sure, because I had heard the rumors about him. Yeah. What do you think now, having known those rumors and now having coached him for 10 years? Yeah, so like I said, for like the first five years, those rumors were pretty close.

Yeah. For the next five years, they've been awesome. Yeah. I mean, he's, I've watched him blossom into a leader and I mean, he's always been a great player, but. Yeah. Tremendous leader, big heart, teammates love him. You're not the only leader in the family.

I know that. So your personality, baby. That's right. That's one of the beautiful things that I think is behind your coaching philosophy is everybody gets to lead in their own way and Trav does it his way, I do it mine. I think Trav's personality,

he always cares about his teammates, always wants to win. Just a little bit young and trying to have a little bit too much fun, but that's caught up. Never have too much fun. I told both of you guys, let your personality show. He threw the flag at the official.

That was amazing. You picked it up and handed it to him. That's the difference. That's an amazing clip. So I don't even know if we need to ask this, but who did you yell at most, the rookie, me or Travis? I was.

I was worse with him. Yeah. No more voice left. It was every day, baby. But hey, listen, that's how you know that that's how I knew that you saw something in me, though. So you already know. I never I never reacted in a bad way, did I? No, not even.

I was always ready to just rock and roll, baby. Yeah, yeah, no, you were good with it. You already know it's all you young guys out there. Don't be afraid to get yelled at. Yeah. Ha ha ha. We gotta ask this. Was Trav, Trav is very upset that he wasn't the first tight end drafted his draft year.

Was he the first tight end on the Chiefs draft board that year? He actually was the first one. Really? Yeah. You're not making this up in hindsight. No, we were going to get him. That's who we wanted.

That's who you wanted. That's who we wanted. Oh, gosh. Yeah, John Dorsey was a part of this. I mean, you can double check with John. But that was a slam dunk. Yeah, he was going to be a Chief. I love that.

Let's go. I'm here. I'm fired up right now. I'm sorry. Let's talk some I'm here. I'm fired up right now. I'm sorry. Let's talk some QBs. When did you know that I wasn't a QB? Well, there are a couple different times. If you want to take it back to New York,

there was a, oh, hey, yo. Just listen, if and don't run the ball. There you go. He wants it. He told you. No, he has to set the coach, you told him. Which is do not, Travis, do not run the ball. There you go. He wants it. He told you. He has to set the coach you put, you told him. Which is do not, Travis, do not throw this ball. You're not making a read.

It's either there or you're running. He wanted to see if he could beat my pump passing kicker. It was a good throw. It was a dart. Yeah, it's over on me. And then we come back and we've got this play. We called it Black Pearl and it was a beautiful thing. Yeah. And we get Tyreek to toss it to Kels and and Patrick goes in the end zone. And although he almost stepped out of bounds, he should have been deeper.

But one corner plays both of them. And you're holding your brother. I'm not going to talk to him, but your brother choked. Yeah. So he got there and it was And your brother, I'm not gonna talk to him, I'm not gonna look at him, but your brother choked. Yeah! So he got there and it was, dee dee dee dee dee. Oh man. And then hold it.

Not only that, so this is like in the first second quarter, it ruined him the rest of the game. It ruined him. I didn't even wanna be there. Yeah. I didn't even wanna be there. Good thing Tyreek had three out of the guards. It ruined him.

Now this guy's got like the best arm ever. And this was like a five yard, not even a five yard, he could have run it in. It was all bad, man. It was all bad. But he came back. He came back. Third time's the charm, baby.

That's right, he came back. Third time's the charm in the playoffs. We needed a buzz. You can survive in Philly. All right, and that wraps up the best episodes of New Heights. Make sure you subscribe on YouTube to the New Heights channel and follow New Heights on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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