New Heights with Jason and Travis Kelce - Matthew Stafford on Staying in LA, Aaron Donald’s Insane Workouts and Girl Dad Advice | Ep 128

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Starting point is 00:02:13 Welcome back to new heights, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls of all ages. Yeah. 92%ers, a wonder show produced by waves, sports sports and entertainment new heights is brought to you by Nike Yeah, one of my all-time favorites shout out to Nike when the world says you can't win Nike says so when yeah, we're your host. I'm Travis Kelsey This is Jason Kelsey my big brother out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio Northeast, Ohio till I die baby Eastside subscribe on Wondry Plus, wherever you get your podcasts, and follow the social media channel at New Heights Show with 1S.

Starting point is 00:02:51 Jason, tell the people what we got coming up. We've got an incredible episode coming up for you guys. First, we're gonna tell you how you can win an official New Heights Golden Cup that I was supposed to bring to this episode that I did not. Sorry, it's not here right now, but the baby is back. We're gonna start doing fan contests starting today We're gonna reveal our first fan contest of the offseason where you'll have an opportunity to win a new Heights Gold Cup

Starting point is 00:03:16 That's an exciting exciting. All right We're also going to be answering some not dumb questions and we have an incredible conversation coming up with a friend of ours and a current still LA Ram, Mr. Matthew Stafford. Woo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo. Texas Gunslinger. But first, we're gonna do a little bit to that new news. New news.

Starting point is 00:03:36 All right, new news is brought to you by Audible. Oh yeah. Yeah, baby. Audible. I wanna hear what you're talking about. Now. That should be their slogan from here on out. Did you just come up with Audible's new slogan? Like catchphrase?

Starting point is 00:03:50 They wanna use it. They're gonna have to pay me a lot of money. If you wanna hear what they're talking about. If you wanna hear what I'm talking about. And that's the way every Audible book should just start. Like James Clear, Atomic Habits. If you wanna hear what they're talking about. March Madness Bracket Challenge.

Starting point is 00:04:07 92 percenters were pumped. Yeah. Jacked up. I mean who's not? It's March Madness. For our first fan contest of the year and a gold cup. Is on the line.

Starting point is 00:04:17 Is on the line, that's right. If you remember we had a bracket challenge last year that decided the best team name. The winner was the Vikings. That's still a debate. I don't know. I don't think. Well listen, it's not a debate.

Starting point is 00:04:30 It's the one that won. It's a debate whether that was accurate. Well won. And this year we're going full March Madness. That is right. We are the first ever New Heights Tournament Challenge with Reese's Peanut Butter Cups. Wait, time out.

Starting point is 00:04:44 How does Reese's factor into this? This is... Oh, okay. I didn't know if we were giving them the cup with Reese's inside butter cups. Wait, time out. How does Reese's factor into this? This is- Oh, okay. I didn't know if we were giving them the cup with Reese's inside of it as the charge. Good idea. Great idea. That's like two trophies.

Starting point is 00:04:52 Great idea. Are they lava big cups or just regular cups? Whatever they send us. Or Reese's peanut butter puffs. What if it's just a conglomerate of Reese's peanut butter puffs, Reese's regular peanut butter cups, Reese's big lava cups, Reese's PCs. Is, Reese's regular peanut butter cups, Reese's big lava cups, Reese's PCs. I actually just got a protein from a cellulor

Starting point is 00:05:12 that's Reese's flavored. I was out when you say conglomerate. We will post links to where you can make your picks and enter this bracket challenge. You'll play against us, me and Jason. Yeah, and the other. Well, hi, everybody else that submits a bracket, but yes, we'll be in it too. Yeah, Jason doesn't even know what a basketball is made of. It's made of leather. Ooh. And air.

Starting point is 00:05:34 That's what he thought. All the college balls are made of some sort of composite now, Jason. Yeah, it's probably not. You're a fucking idiot. I don't, yeah, I have not watched one ounce of college basketball this year. Not even a lick?

Starting point is 00:05:49 Which is why I feel extremely confident. In a lot of ways. I'll tell you what I'm gonna do. This is what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna go to Audible, and I'm gonna look up the books on how to master March Madness, and I'm gonna read up on them.

Starting point is 00:06:03 And you're gonna be doing. Well, you don't read on audible. Well, I'm going to listen up on them. Okay. And, uh, and then I'm going to come in with a wealth of knowledge on how to pick March Madness teams and I'm going to kick your ass. No way. Jose. I'm going to audible James name one team in the top 25. Duke.

Starting point is 00:06:28 Lucky guess. It was. Can you name one player in NCAA basketball? Holy fuck. One player, Jason. Jesus Christ. I don't think,

Starting point is 00:06:42 I don't think Jesus is in the NCAA. No, he's everywhere Yeah, I don't think I can he doesn't even know who we gave NIL money to at the University of Cincinnati I don't Like a lot I don't know one name I don't know one name. Jizzle James. Shout out to Jizzle James. Jizzle James. Yeah, he's still there. He's still there?

Starting point is 00:07:08 Yeah, he's rocky. He's our only hope. We gotta make a run in the Big 12 Tourney from what I think. Rules are simple. Sign up using the link in the episode's description. Entry with the highest score wins. We will do our best to limit it to one entry per person. All right, so please don't enter multiple times,

Starting point is 00:07:26 even though that is going to get you the best chance to win. Yeah. There will be a bracket for both men's. We're on the honor code, people. There will be a bracket for both the men's and women's tournaments. So we'll be handing out two golden cups.

Starting point is 00:07:40 We're handing out two golden cups. Questions, have either of you watched any college basketball games this year? We answered that. Do you guys usually fill out brackets ever. I will say this I used to mom used to get Cavs tickets if she won the Bracket at work, so you fill it out for and I used to fill it out for and that was how I got free Cavs tickets. That's not how you got free take Cavs tickets from Fairfax Elementary School. Go ahead tell them Go ahead. Tell them what happened.

Starting point is 00:08:05 You're still thinking about it. 30 years later, Jason. I'm just regurgitating a fact. I'm not thinking about it. You brought up a false fact. I won my fight, you didn't, you got suspended, and I got Cavs tickets. What do you mean you won, I won my fight.

Starting point is 00:08:18 What are you talking about? I did not lose my fight. I think that's why you didn't get the Cavs tickets. No, I didn't get Cavs tickets because I got suspended for beating the shit out of a kid okay so why did I get cast because you smoothed the principal well yes you think that's how I got yes yes like principal loved you missus McBee did not like me I'm pretty sure mrs. McBee just despised our entire household. No, I think she liked... I'm not really sure.

Starting point is 00:08:50 That's it for new news brought to you by Audible. Gonna hear what I'm talking about. Jason. Yep, I'll tell you that. Wanna do the honors? Alrighty, our guest today is from Highland Park High School in Dallas, Texas. He was a number one pick in the 2009 draft, a two-time Pro Wars Super Bowl champion, and still the quarterback of the Los Angeles Rams. Please welcome Mr. Matthew Stafford.

Starting point is 00:09:16 Thank you very much. Thank you for having me. That's a hell of an intro. I need you in game. I need you in game for me. I'll come do that anytime. How you doing, brother? Give him on the mic at Rams house, baby.

Starting point is 00:09:24 I'm good, man. I would say you're doing pretty good. You finally got the in game. Need you in game for me. I'll come do that anytime. How you doing, brother? Give him on the mic at Ram's house, baby. I'm good, man. I would say you're doing pretty good. You finally got the elephant out of the room of the off season, I guess. Yes, that was a little nerve wracking there for a little bit, just trying to figure out

Starting point is 00:09:35 what was gonna go down, but happy to be back wearing Ram's colors, playing the SoFi, doing the thing. Hell yeah. Hell yeah, man. We knew you had a ridiculous amount of success in Detroit, but it kind of feels like LA is where you really, I don't know, it feels like it's where you kind of made it home,

Starting point is 00:09:54 at least on the football field, man. Yeah, for sure. I've been lucky to be playing here with Coach McVay and all my teammates and all those guys for a few years now, and we love it here. My family loves it here. I love playing here. The brand of football fits my style.

Starting point is 00:10:09 I love going to work and playing in front of the fans. It's a blast. It has been a really cool thing, obviously, coming from Detroit. Very different place than Los Angeles. Love both of them. But this has been a cool change up, and my family's settled in great and we love it here

Starting point is 00:10:26 Love it, man. You see your brand of football, but Do you have a brand? Could you fit in any offense? We're just talking about running midline Points, you know, so how Drastically different was it coming to LA and being with Sean and this offense versus what you were doing in Detroit Did you have multiple different offices? Yeah, I had a few. I felt like you were always airing it out. But yeah, we yeah, I definitely I've experienced a lot. You know, this is this past season was 16.

Starting point is 00:10:53 This will be 17 coming up. So I've had a few offensive coordinators. I've done like the Peyton Manning, you know, no huddle at the line of scrimmage thing. We did that with Jim Bob when he was in Detroit for a while. Scott Lenihan was my first coordinator when I first came to league in 09 for like five years. I mean, that seems so far back, like defense, offense, all of it was so different at that point.

Starting point is 00:11:12 But yeah, I've had a few. I feel like any player, any competitive player should be like, yeah, put me in any system and I'll thrive, I don't care. You call the plays and I'll haul them. But it has been fun with Sean, the way he challenges all of us, not only physically on the field,

Starting point is 00:11:28 but mentally in the approach to the game and all the things that he asked me to do with the line of scrimmage or pre-snap, whatever it is. It's a lot, but I think it makes us successful and it's fun getting that challenge from your coach. Sure. Being like, hey, I think you can handle all this and he gives me all that and it ends up being successful.

Starting point is 00:11:45 That's a lot of fun. Yeah, absolutely. Oh, it's fun to watch. And I think we've talked about this before, but that like McVeigh offense, Shanahan offense, the run play action is so dynamic on first second down, but what was obviously great. The moment you got there when the Superbowl was taking this guy who could do drop back passing at a high level and function and that type of setting combined with that

Starting point is 00:12:06 It felt like just like the perfect marriage Yeah, did the offense change around you when you got there as well almost just as much as you had to learn the new stuff Yeah, 100% That's a very good, you know way of kind of describing what? You know what transpired and what happened for sure I got there and I remember we're Sean our I were maybe a couple weeks into me being out in LA and he's like, hey, you, me, Kelly and Veronica, let's go drink some wine up in like Santa Barbara area.

Starting point is 00:12:37 I'm like, all right, cool. We're going on a little wine trip, go for a day. Right away, different than Detroit. Correct. Yes. One hundred badass beer with Kid Rock or something like that at one point. But it's a... There's tons of fun to happen in Detroit, too.

Starting point is 00:12:49 So we're cruising up there. We're like 30 minutes into our ride up there and my guy pulls out a piece of paper and he's like, all right, so here's the drop-back stuff. I'm like, okay, I got it. I haven't even had any red wine yet and we're just, we're already into this. But he's like, here's this package I'm thinking about. We'll go no huddle, jump the ball and we'll do it. I haven't even had any red wine yet and we're just, we're already into this. I love this shit. But he's like, here's this package I'm thinking about, we'll go no huddle, jump the ball and we'll do it. And sure enough, that's what we did a bunch, especially in 2021 and launched

Starting point is 00:13:11 it all over the field and had a bunch of success. But when I got, you know, here he was like, man, you know, drop back pass has been something that, you know, we've always wanted to try and elevate, you know, just as that core system. And I was like, well, that's kind of all I did in Detroit. You know, like we didn't system and I was like, well, that's kind of all I did in Detroit. You know, like we didn't really run the ball or play action very often. It was just like, I'm in the gun and here we go. Here we go, baby. Yes.

Starting point is 00:13:33 Yeah. So it was like, oh, that's the easy part for me. You know, like I've done this my whole career. So it was kind of a, it was a good marriage and it's worked out well. Let's talk about the decision to stay in LA. Okay. There are a lot of rumors out there, you know, getting wooed from New York,

Starting point is 00:13:47 Raiders, LA, contract stuff. Yeah. What was ultimately the deciding factor to come back and resign with LA? Yeah, I mean, I think it was kind of a joint process, right? Like it wasn't just, I wasn't a free agent. You know, I still had two years left on my deal and, you know, we kind of worked something out last year

Starting point is 00:14:02 kind of at the 11th hour to kind of figure it out right before training camp with the understanding that, okay, we're going to come back and readdress this if I want to play again the next year. Sure. Had a nice season and felt healthy, wanted to keep going. And so it was like, all right, let's figure out how to get this done. Obviously, there were some trade rumors and some things like that that transpired that was a little bit tough on your family just because you don't really know what's going to be next. I remember when I was getting traded from Detroit to LA, really a couple weeks before

Starting point is 00:14:32 that, I had made it known that I wanted to be traded from Detroit and I can't tell you how much time I spent on Zillow at that point looking at houses in Indy and there and all these places back then. So you're just like, and I'm sitting there going, man, where am I going to be? Where are my kids going to school? All this kind of stuff. And a little bit of a similar situation just because of what was out there and what was going on. But I think in the end, I know that they wanted me back.

Starting point is 00:14:54 I wanted to be back. We just had to kind of figure that out and get to that point. We did, and I'm sure as hell happy that I'm gonna be here for at least another year and hopefully some after that. Love it, love it. Hell yeah.

Starting point is 00:15:05 I remember coming out of the draft, I had a, what do you call it, where they fly you in. Top 30 visit or whatever. Top 30 visit. I had a top 30 visit to Washington. And at the time had no idea what would eventually transpire to be like four out of the four head coaches just sitting in the player positions at

Starting point is 00:15:25 the time and McVeigh was one of them and he was the tight end coach so I spent most of my time talking to McVeigh about ball and I just remember him talking so fucking fast. It hasn't changed. And he's just rambling and he's just ripping them and ripping them and I'm just like dude I don't know how you got me jacked up this jacked up about playing football right now, but you're the only one to do it. It was like, it was him and ironically, Dan Campbell were the two that I was like,

Starting point is 00:15:51 man, these dudes love this shit. And during installs throughout the building, is he just nonstop, 100 miles per hour and just all about ball? Yes, all day, every day. The guy loves it. Um, I mean, shoot, like I said, we're going on a wine trip and the guy's ripping off the place.

Starting point is 00:16:09 He just can't stop and, and, and loves it, but it is, it is cool to watch him do his thing. He's so, like you said, he's great one-on-one, right? He's great teaching me the offense. I remember when I first, um, you know, got traded here, I was actually a long story, but I was in Mexico, Mexico, randomly ran into him, whatever it happened. I fly back and I'm going over to his house in the mornings and I'm like, he's teaching me the offense on his whiteboard in his house going crazy. I'm like

Starting point is 00:16:36 trying to write all this shit down. I'm like, oh my God, I'm never going to remember any of this. I just got off a bender in Mexico. The old Shockey baby. Yeah, exactly. You see every time. But yeah, he's like that baby. Yeah, exactly. He's there every time. But yeah, he's like that one-on-one. He's all day, every day, loves football. But then he gets up in front of the room

Starting point is 00:16:51 and he can relate to everybody. He commands the room, he's got great energy, sets the tone for the week, every single week, and guys thrive on it. So it's a lot of fun going to work in that building, especially when we're winning, and he's in a good mood and rocking and rolling. It's a lot of fun. Yeah., you know, in that building, especially when we're winning. Hell yeah. And he's in a good mood and rocking and rolling. It's a lot of fun.

Starting point is 00:17:06 Yeah. Fuck yeah, man. I don't even know if I want to put the... But the only time I've literally met Sean, we were... Kyle and I were in Maui on vacation. Yeah. And him and Veronica start walk through and he makes a point to come over and same thing. Yes.

Starting point is 00:17:20 Immediately talking football. Yes. And like, hey, we'll meet up. I'm like, I can just feel like a Varangus phase like she is this happens all She's like great we're on vacation in Maui and this fucking idiot She probably saw me walk into the pool in Mexico was like Like my film up on his phone. He's like you remember this Yeah, like I'm trying to have a margarita and some chips

Starting point is 00:17:51 He's just gotta know man No, he just he is I just I enjoy talking ball with him. Yeah. Yeah, he ropes shit He just wants to he just wants to get better man. I fucking love that no doubt Well, you guys got a you guys got a lot of talent around you over there Yeah, I'm sure that had a lot to do with you wanting to come back. I mean It feels like a great situation over there. Obviously the Cooper Cup like Decision of whether he's gonna be back Things like that one of the best receivers in the league still. Yeah, obviously dealt with some stuff last year, but

Starting point is 00:18:24 is it like And we don't have to talk about this if you don't want to, but have you talked to him? Well yeah, I mean like I was, you know I ran into him right kinda when they told him the news that they're talking about trading him and obviously that one is tough. You're around this game long enough, those kinda things happen, you know,

Starting point is 00:18:44 and it's tough, especially for a guy that this game long enough those kind of things happen, you know, and and it's It's tough especially for a guy that's meant so much to me in my career and how he helped me kind of you know Get in with with the Rams and and you know just in that locker room and what it's all about to be A part of that team. He was such a huge part of that for me So it's tough and I've spent probably more time with him as a teammate than really any other teammate in my career. And that just kinda happened organically. I would go in there early and sure enough, Cooper would be in there, he'd walk in as I'm walking in

Starting point is 00:19:16 and we'd start watching tape together and then it just turned into a thing that we just did every day. And so I spent a ton of time with him. He's been a ton to me as a player, but even more probably as a person. You talk to guys, including Sean, guys around that team that have been with him

Starting point is 00:19:30 for extended periods of time. And he's a fantastic player. He means a ton to our team. But just as a human being, as a person, he's as good as it gets. So whether he's with us, which I love Cooper and would love opportunity to continue to play with him, or if he's somewhere else, I mean,

Starting point is 00:19:47 whoever gets him, it's gonna be, you know, he's a fantastic person for the locker room, for the team, and shoot. You know, when he's healthy, he's still ballin'. Hell yeah. Man, I still remember that goddamn interview where he just started ripping off defensive like coverages and stuff.

Starting point is 00:20:01 Dude, that shit was so, but it was like, I mean, that dude's, the mind is going, man. So the story behind. He's dialed in, dude. I mean, he's like the nicest guy in the world, right? Yeah. And so the story behind that is

Starting point is 00:20:12 he's like doing this interview post-game, which he doesn't, you know, love being in front of the camera anyways, and he's doing an interview, and the reporter asks him a question, and he answers it, she asks him another question, and he answers it. It's like a third question, he's like,

Starting point is 00:20:24 okay, what is going on here? And you know, he's like, I'm trying to get off the field, get in the locker room and go. She asks him another question and he answers it. It's like a third question and he's like, okay, what is going on here? And he's like, I'm trying to get off the field, get in the locker room and go. She asked him one more question and so he's like, you know what? I'm just going to go top rope way over your head so that you're just going to go, okay thanks, skippers. Yeah, that's brilliant. It's very smart. He answered with just like the, I mean, we saw the zone pressure. I knew it was, Mike was working away because we got three out, Matthew changed the protection, I catch him

Starting point is 00:20:43 not being the same. I'm Like you would just went like rogue football She's just like and that's Cooper cups Go take a shower get out It was pretty pretty pretty veteran move by Coop You were saying he watched his film with you guys is he I mean is he that that like in tune with like? Protection calls and stuff like that or was he just trying to get out of that interview? He's pretty dialed in like he asked me really good questions.

Starting point is 00:21:08 Nice. You know just from a quarterback perspective, I mean he knows as much or more than any other team that I've ever had. You know this guy will be watching practice or something and he's like hey run that play back. I'm like and it's some run play and he's like we really could you could knock it back,

Starting point is 00:21:26 tag it back one here with these angles and single high. And I could just block the mic instead of having to go out to the nickel in this two by two set. And I'm like, yeah, I mean, if you want it to change, go ahead, man. He's grinding on every run play, every single thing he's meticulous about. And shoot, it's part of what makes him great.

Starting point is 00:21:44 I gotta love it. You gotta tell me the difference though, of a guy like him and a guy like Demarcus Robinson. Oh yeah baby, D-Rob. D-Rob. My favorite teammates of all time. He's so great. D-Rob is the man, I love D-Rob.

Starting point is 00:21:57 He's been great for our team. I think he's got some crazy streak where he's been on like, he's played for nine years, played for a few different teams and he's made the playoffs every single year. So he's just like, he's the good luck charm. You just gotta bring him back. But he's a great player, okay to not know, to tag it back one in a single high.

Starting point is 00:22:16 He's okay with not knowing that. And it's good, baby, we're gonna figure it out. But instinct-wise, got great instincts. Great instincts, man. You can just tell him out there, be like hey we're gonna run wide zone at you, and he'd probably end up on the right guy. He's a ball player, man.

Starting point is 00:22:29 You know, he just gets it. So much fun to play with. Even Puka, man. What a character. Yeah, you guys got so much talent out there. Puka's a monster, man. For a young guy to come in and, you know, done what he's been able to do the last couple years

Starting point is 00:22:42 is pretty outstanding. Obviously had a great guy to learn from with Coop as far as, you know, kind of where to be in that offense. And then, you know, once the ball's in his hand, that's, you know, some of the best stuff he does is just running physical and playing physical. It's pretty cool to see. Heck yeah.

Starting point is 00:22:57 Do you think the receivers in that offense need to be a little bit more dialed in with all the motions and like how responsible they are in the run game? Yeah, you won't play if you're not. Right. You know what I mean? And that's kind of the way it is. And, you know, a lot of two by two sets where the F and the X were Coop and old D-Rob are out there together. So there was a little hootie hoot. Yeah, hootie hoot.

Starting point is 00:23:17 So there were two peas in a pod out there with the two by two sets. Oh, I love it man. Gotta rely on your teammates. Gotta rely. Not at least communicate out there. I miss those convos with D-Rob, man. Not illegal to communicate out there. I think when they sign Brandon Brooks. The thing is, you get me and D-Rob on the same side.

Starting point is 00:23:33 We're over there like, Oh God. We'll both just get somebody. Yeah. I think when they sign Brandon Brooks, they're like, part of your job is telling Lane Johnson, you know, what the call is. 100%.

Starting point is 00:23:44 Let's make sure we're bouncing this call out. We're echoing the call. We got to echo the call. 100%. That's part of it, man. He's going to block TJ one on one. You're going to let him know what the call is. That's the beauty of the game though, right?

Starting point is 00:23:56 For sure. For sure. I mean, like, there's give and take from everybody and no doubt it happens. It's fun to watch. Let's talk about the Super Bowl season. Talks about a little bit. You went there in the first year. What, I mean, when you signed in L.A., did you anticipate that happening that quickly?

Starting point is 00:24:10 I mean, probably not, right? No. I mean, any guy that just says, yeah, I'll just show up there and we'll win the Super Bowl. Obviously. No, it was, you know, I was excited about the opportunity. I didn't think it was going to happen there just because I didn't, I think I was going there just because of, you know, the contract stuff they had just done with Jared and all that. So, you know, but I ended up there and yeah, I mean, I knew we had a talented team but I just knew that I felt a ton of pressure because I think they returned 10 guys on offense

Starting point is 00:24:41 except for me. Yeah. And maybe all 11 guys on defense and I'm like, I'm not going to be the asshole that doesn't know what's going on, you know what I mean? So it was like a lot of pressure, especially at my position, I'm supposed to know everybody's job in and out. So spent a lot of time and a lot of hours just kind of making sure that when I stepped into the huddle day one, they weren't like, this guy, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:25:00 So it was like, all right, not only physically could I do what I could do, but I want to make sure that mentally they were like, okay, okay, this guy's on it. And so, spent a bunch of time and I knew we were talented. I didn't know how talented, but you guys have been on those teams. It's like, you know, the week one starters we had compared to, you know, what we were doing at the end, it's totally different. And so, being able to navigate that whole thing was incredible. It was an incredible year.

Starting point is 00:25:22 You know, we had so many talented guys, you know, especially late after we signed Odell, we signed Vaughn. I mean, it was like, going out to practice was like- It was an incredible year. We had so many talented guys, especially late after we signed Odell, we signed Vaughn. It was like going out to practice was like, I mean, this was just unbelievable practices we had against each other. Swag champs, man. You get two swag champs like that. It was wild. It was wild. Especially in LA, man. They were fun teammates to have and I still talk to those guys, but it was a special moment. I mean, it's just a lot of years in Detroit,

Starting point is 00:25:49 not knowing if that was ever gonna be an opportunity to get them playing those games, and going through the playoffs, and winning those games to get to that point was special, and then getting to do it at our home stadium was crazy. And a lot of people focus on your time in LA, just because I think the success has been there as a team. You balled the fuck out in Detroit. Oh every year

Starting point is 00:26:08 Calvin Johnson He was a monster Just to create a player didn't say much, you know And I wish I was I wish I would got obviously more time with him anytime You got a great player like that. You're like man I wish I had more time to play with that guy But I just think about like plug and play him in the system we're in right now.

Starting point is 00:26:27 And I'm like, oh my God. Oh boy. Would have been scary. That's a guy you plug into any system. No doubt, no doubt. I mean, the guy was playing at Georgia Tech. Yeah, he was literally playing. Wow, oh yeah, put him out there.

Starting point is 00:26:38 Yeah, he can figure it out. But he is an incredible player. I've been lucky to play with a bunch of talented receivers, all kind of different styles and body types and all that kind of stuff, but he is, I mean, it was crazy. Yeah. Throwing balls to him, I was like, it feels like you're throwing to a D end. I mean, like that's what he looked like when he hung out there.

Starting point is 00:26:53 It was crazy. It was enormous. I mean, you have two, so Cooper in what year was that? Twenty? Twenty-one for Coop. Twenty-one? Yeah. And then Calvin in 12?

Starting point is 00:27:03 Twelve. I mean, two of the top five receiving. Yeah Seasons of anybody in the history of the game. Yeah, and they have you as a person throwing What does that mean? Like do you remind them that you're? No, it's cool it is it's something that you know, I I I feel lucky to be a part of. You know what I mean? I'm sure. It was incredible watching both those guys do it in completely different ways. Cooper, like majority from the slot, just unbelievable finding his way through, catch and run guy,

Starting point is 00:27:38 and then Calvin just line him up on the outside and let him go to work on people. It was cool to be a part of both. I definitely am proud of it, and that we got that done. It's a special thing, I guess. I guess I get that number one guy of the ball a lot if he's getting open. Schwartzee used to tell me that you guys run a goal line play where Calvin would be singled up, forward to the other side.

Starting point is 00:28:02 And we used to call it diamond. Whereas quarterback draw if it's a light box Calvin if he's got the one-on-one we're taking it and the big numbers there you got the screen Yeah, and he's like there you could not be right. Yeah, like it was like a cheat code It was and then like we would get to the point where I I would It's hard down there in the goal line to see leverage Sure You know for me like was the guy playing inside here outside of you or whatever?

Starting point is 00:28:24 So I got to a point where like, Calvin and I would just have, he would just signal to me whether he wanted the fade or the glance kinda. And he would just go open hand, close hand, on the inside hand, he just closed hand, I'm running the fade. Sneaky son of a bitch.

Starting point is 00:28:36 Open hand, he'd be... Biggest dude on the field, sneaky though. Just one hand open, I'm like, ooh, here comes this one right here. Yeah, yeah. So, but yeah, I mean, it was crazy. And then we went and played the Saints and they ended up viceing him, you know, down like pump pro. Yeah, yeah. So, but yeah, I mean it was crazy. And then we went and played the Saints and they ended up viceing him, you know,

Starting point is 00:28:47 down like pump pro. Yeah, yeah, pump return, yeah. And then the next year, on there for you, we're playing at Arizona, and like the first third down of the game, he's in the slot, and we're running like 525, F post swing, like, you know? And he's viced on third down.

Starting point is 00:29:04 Third down, easily. Third down from like our like minus 20, you know, like opening's viced on third down. Third down. Third down from like our like minus 20, you know, like opening possession of the game. We're not letting them ruin the game. I'm like, geez guys, relax. I mean, listen, that's what we treated Aaron Donah. We viced him all game. Yeah, I get it.

Starting point is 00:29:15 I can completely relate. And I threw it to like Pettigrew and we didn't get the first down or something and I come back and I'm like, how was it? He's like, I still got open back and I'm like how was it he's like I still got open. Fuck. Of course he would get open. We're gonna cancel him out since there's two guys vicing him. Still won. I'm like God. He was crazy. March Madness is coming up that's right I don't know if you know it but March is here it's gonna be wild. Everyone always locks in on the men's tournament But the women's bracket is shaping up to be unreal. Yeah, have you seen Juju Watkins? Come on now what she's doing over at USC absolutely electric electric

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Starting point is 00:32:39 Yeah, well both my parents went to Florida State, so I wasn't like a Texas kid growing up. Like, wasn't like Longhorns or Aggies or any of that kind of stuff. So. But your whole life you grew up in Texas. I did. But I loved like Florida State.

Starting point is 00:32:52 I wanted to go to Florida State. I ended up getting an offer from them, but the offensive coordinator at Florida State for a long time was Mark Richt. He then became the head coach at Georgia. So I started watching Georgia. And my sister went there the year before me. And really the couple years before I went at Georgia, so I started watching Georgia. And my sister went there the year before me, and really the couple years before I went to Georgia,

Starting point is 00:33:08 there were like second and fifth in the country. It was a really good program, and I frankly wanted to be doing what I'm doing right now, playing pro football as fast as I could. I went there, took a visit, it was like a pro-style offense. Felt like I had a chance to play early, and I don't know, I wasn't like a huge, I wasn't like in love with the recruiting process

Starting point is 00:33:28 and it's so different back then than it is now anyways. I can only imagine what the shit is right now. So I just was like, let me get into where I fit in and keep it moving and I loved my time there, it was great, got to play with No-Shawn, a bunch of talented players, AJ Green, some of those guys. So I was never like in love with University of Texas football,

Starting point is 00:33:46 so I know all my buddies wanted me to go there because they're all Texas kids. I was about to say, even the day and age you're coming out is like... Our intern right here, Brandon, is the biggest Texas Longhorn fan you'll ever see. I'm sorry. Well, you know what didn't help is I went to Texas,

Starting point is 00:33:59 I sat down with Greg Davis, who is the offensive coordinator. First mistake. Yeah. And he pulls up tape of the game the year before. It's Vince Young versus O'Connell. That's what I'm saying. You're in the heart of prime Texas football.

Starting point is 00:34:12 But it was like, hey, this is four-verse concept here. They had some crazy comeback at the end of the game. And the second half, Vince went crazy. And he was like, we were running four-verts. And he's like, this is beater box. And then we check it down. We say, beater box back. That's like seeing him go to the back, right?

Starting point is 00:34:26 Sounds like a Texas fuckin' office back. Right, 100% ready as well, when Vince is quarterback, we just say beater box and run. And I'm like, I ain't fuckin' run, bro. Show me some major Apple white tape, that's what I need. You know, like, find me here. And he just, show me Vince stuff, and I'm like, I'm not gonna hurdle the middle line back there

Starting point is 00:34:42 and do this shit, so can you just like find me here? And it just, it didn't fit. It didn't click. But yeah, that's amazing. That was my story in Texas. I was like, I don't know. I don't know what to tell you. That's not my skill set.

Starting point is 00:34:55 So good, man. It was fun though. So you go from Georgia, you drafted in the first round, first pick. Yeah. At what point did you know you were going number one? It was like a couple nights before maybe. Maybe a night or two before. Yeah. What? At what point did you know you were going number one? It was like, uh, it was like a couple nights before maybe, maybe a night or two before, um, back when they kind of did that, you know, and like figure out contracts and all that kind of stuff. So yeah, I, uh,

Starting point is 00:35:13 I was in New York already, so it was, you know, doing the whole draft thing. And yeah, and they, uh, they kind of called my agent and told him, you know, we're going to do it. And I was like, all right, sweet. This was kind of nice. Nice walking into the green room, not having to. Having any stress? Yeah, having any stress at all, knowing this'll be a short sit. And it was, you know?

Starting point is 00:35:33 Just kinda sat down, popped back up, and kept it moving. It was a whirlwind, it was crazy. I think back on that, I'm like, man, what I didn't know, right, like so much, but it was a blast. Did you immediately jump on a jet to Detroit or did you? Yeah, the next morning. So I like went out. Well that's not immediate.

Starting point is 00:35:49 Did you have a little fun in the city? Yeah, I had some good times with the buddy. I had a bunch of college buddies there and some of my family was there too. So we went and had a good time, kicked it. I had to pick my number. The next morning the team president calls me early in the morning.

Starting point is 00:36:03 Oh, that's nice. And I'm like, and he's like, what number do you want? And I'm like, seven, you know, that's what it was in college. He's like, well, Dutch Clark, 1932 Detroit lion. Yeah. Got his number retired. And I was like, oh shit. And they were like, we can call his family

Starting point is 00:36:18 and see if he would un-retire for him. I'm like, no, no, no, all good. Yeah. Rifling through the numbers, like my dad's in the room, a buddy of mine's in the room, and I'm like, hey guys, what number should I be? Nice, nice, I don't know. And I'm like rifling through these,

Starting point is 00:36:31 like, ah, you don't want that one, or you don't want that one. I was like, all right, I'll just go with nine. Is nine available? They're like, yeah, nine works. I'm like, cool. And in my head, I'm like, great, I don't have to change my signature much.

Starting point is 00:36:41 You know, like the seven just goes to a nine. Like, I'm good, right? This is easy. So yeah, after that proceeded to, you know, hop on a jet and fly to Detroit. Love it. Before the two days before when they called you, were there any other teams that you thought,

Starting point is 00:36:54 oh, I might end up there? Like, how was the process, I guess, before the jet? Yeah, it was, I took a couple of those 30 visits you were talking about. I took one to Detroit, I took one to the Jets, and then I took one to San Fran. And so the Jets, when I left there, they were like, we're moving up to five to pick somebody.

Starting point is 00:37:14 If you're not there, and they ended up taking Sanchez. Oh yeah. At five, they moved up to five to take him. And then the 49ers was a different deal. They had the 10th pick, they ended up taking Crabtree. But at the combine, there had been some stuff going on in the interview, right? Where they, I sat down with Peter King afterwards,

Starting point is 00:37:34 and he was like, hey, what's the craziest thing that happened at the combine in the meetings, right? Sure. And that was kind of back when they would ask you stuff you can't say now or ask now. Sure, okay. And so I'm like, well, Sam Fran's deal, it was a single Terry was the head coach.

Starting point is 00:37:49 And it was like a shrink, like a psychiatrist. A sports psychologist, psychiatrist lady. She's talking to me about all these different things and it's like, tell me about your parents. I'm like, my parents got divorced when I was in high school and okay, do you wanna talk about it? I'm like, not really, they're cool like it's okay Yeah, so Peter King's like what's the strangest thing? I'm like, well my 12 minutes with the Niners at that point was

Starting point is 00:38:12 You know, it was like I wanted to know how much of the prorated hour I owed him after my 12 minutes So Mike got all pissed off and was like, he's not, you know, ready to be a quarterback. And he got mad, so I had to fly out there and, like, just kind of, like, shake hands and be like, listen, man, I didn't mean anything by it. Supposed to be a joke, but, uh... Yeah, that was my... That was a complete waste of my time. Dude, I fly out to San Fran.

Starting point is 00:38:37 I fly out to San Fran. I'm on the East Coast. I'm in Atlanta at the time. I fly out to San Fran. I go there, I meet with Mike. This is awesome. He's getting a Bowflex put in his office. As I'm walking Fran, I go there, I meet with Mike, this is awesome. He's getting a Bowflex put in his office. As I'm walking in, I'm like, hell yeah. He's getting the Chuck Norris. Of course he is.

Starting point is 00:38:50 Of course he's just like. He got scammed by the commercial. He's just like, damn it. Been there before. Just. Yeah. That's it. And I'm like, this is awesome.

Starting point is 00:38:59 But it was honestly a great meeting with him, the whole deal. And so, you know, I'm meeting with him, they're like, hey. That's so good, they're not gonna, we're like, you're not gonna be there at 10, we're not gonna get a chance to take you. They had a slim flask, milkshake next to them, they had a, doing tabo.

Starting point is 00:39:13 Oh gosh. It was short lived. The league has changed quite a bit. Yes it has. Yes it has. Yes it has. Oh man. Good old Mike. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:39:31 Alright well. God damn that was good. What do you think the biggest change in the league has been? Besides both flexes and coaches. Exactly. Um, golly. I mean it has changed a ton right? Like I feel like

Starting point is 00:39:45 The X's and O's parts of it is so cyclical and like, you know It was all when I first got in league was all Tampa to all y'all's first years. I was 11 13 Okay. Yeah, so it was like all Tampa to it was Chicago Bears Chicago Bears Tampa to the brain the Mike and the nickel playing three Week where they're bringing the free safety in our lacquers cutting and picking four week and taking to the house, right? The pressures were all these like zone dogs. 100%. That's all it was, right? And then it went to like, okay, Seattle, we're playing three deep four under. We got the like, we cook player carrying three vertical, all that stuff. And then it's, you know, a lot of what you guys are doing, I think is great, you know, and whatever. So I think scheme wise, it's, you know, it's really, it's really been like cyclical. I think the way they can hit players now has changed so much I mean I used to get just absolutely

Starting point is 00:40:28 dumped by dudes just you've got some iconic just like getting face mask going different directions. Yeah, there's been some tough Lean moments there so good Just some good memes nowadays I'm good with that. You'll see, I catch him now. Just some good memes nowadays. That's all I need, just a good meme. It's not the same, yeah.

Starting point is 00:40:45 No, yeah, it's not the same. I remember at one off season, I was in the NFC North for forever, and Julius Peppers, who was with Chicago at the time, and- I can't believe I just talked to you and sounded too many. Jared Allen. Julius Peppers.

Starting point is 00:40:57 Yeah, yeah, yeah. North Carolina. Are you out of like an action movie? What the fuck are you doing on this football field? But Pep and Jared Allen were both free agents in Minnesota and in Chicago. I'm like, good, get the fuck out of here. I'm trying to see you guys.

Starting point is 00:41:12 And they just fucking swung. They swung. I'm like, damn it. Julius is in Green Bay, and Jared's in Chicago. And I'm like, god, I can't get rid of these guys. But no, it was different times back then. I mean, really all aspects of the game, I feel like, but I mean, none of the guys were doing this, so this is a different part of it as well,

Starting point is 00:41:32 which is kind of cool. I'm not like ultra-dialed into the podcast thing. My wife does the morning after and time after. Yeah, KB, she does a couple podcasts and she rocks it. I'm not super dialed in. Cooper and I did a little nine and dime for the team kind of thing, which was a lot of fun. But yeah, I mean, just having the ability

Starting point is 00:41:50 and the platform to kind of get out there and talk a little bit is cool. I know it's fun for everybody to get to know you guys too, so that's cool. We have fun doing it. Especially when we get guys like this, man. Appreciate you. We gotta talk about something that Tom Brady said though.

Starting point is 00:42:01 He's saying that college isn't developing these quarterbacks like they used to. Do you kind of see that as well? Like do you see some of these young guys that come in that just are, it doesn't seem like they're as ingrained in the like maybe the X's and O's or their mechanics as much? Well yeah and I think maybe kind of what he was thinking about too when he was talking about that is just the ability to move and do all that, you don't get time in a system, right?

Starting point is 00:42:30 Like think about if you just changed off of the coordinators every single year, you'd be like, man, I don't know, I know a lot, but I don't know if I mastered anything. Got everything out of it. You know what I mean? And got everything out of that. And so, I mean, because for me it's hard to argue,

Starting point is 00:42:42 I mean, what Jaden Danos did this year as a rookie, I'm like pretty solid You know and I think all those guys that are coming out like the rookies actually impressed me You know just the way that they can go out there and operate and play it at a high level to at a young age But I do know what he means by that like you know you're just kind of bouncing around bouncing through college It's that's a different feel like we're you know I went to a school you guys went to school and you're like Feel good about that school, try to learn everything there is to learn about that system

Starting point is 00:43:08 and then go from there. You know, I think it's an individual case, like each player, but I am impressed by a lot of the guys that come out. And I'm like, I'm a fan of, I want those guys to have success. Like I don't want the guys to come into the league and I'm not the old guy that's like,

Starting point is 00:43:21 no, you can't take, you know, don't have my job, you know, like I want you to fail. I'm like, man, I want the game to continue to be great and I want those young guys to play well. So I was impressed by them. Awesome. I think also it goes back to what you were saying. It's just a different game.

Starting point is 00:43:33 100%. When you come into the league nowadays, I just feel like, and this might be me being older thinking about this, but it feels like it's a younger game. Oh yeah. It doesn't, like, I don't see the Ray Lewis's at linebacker where it's like intimidation. Yeah, you gotta be able to move.

Starting point is 00:43:49 Where you're under center and you're staring at Ray Lewis and you're like, okay, here we go. I know you're coming. 100% change. Yeah, they gotta be able to cover and do more in the passing game. And Ray Lewis would probably still be good in today's NFL. Yeah, no doubt.

Starting point is 00:44:04 Right. You know, Bobby Wagner. Yeah. You know, Ray Lewis would probably still be good in today's NFL. Yeah, no doubt. Right. Bobby Wagner. Yeah. I mean, I think, but yeah, as the game changes, so do the positions. Yeah, there's not a million dudes doing what I do. Sitting in the pocket and throwing anymore. A lot of guys are moving around and making plays

Starting point is 00:44:17 and I'm jealous. I'm watching tape and they're like, I know they just see man coverage and they're like, I'm just gonna run. I'm just gonna run. And I'm like, that's an awful idea if I try to do that. Everybody's back is going to be turned. It's going to be second and 11.

Starting point is 00:44:27 You know, it's not good for us if I do that. So guys get open. Do you ever watch the combine, any of the college games? I mean, I'll flip the combine on a little bit here and there. I watched some of the college games. I'm not like a huge college football guy. When it gets like to the playoffs and the really good games, you're all flicking on, but I'm not like following a guy throughout the year. Now I do watch those guys when they get into the league, like really good games, sure, I'll flick it on, but I'm not following a guy

Starting point is 00:44:45 throughout the year. Now, I do watch those guys when they get into the league, like CJ Stroud, I thought he had an unbelievable rookie year. And I still think he had a tough year this year, but they had a ton of injuries around him and all that kind of stuff. That's a lot of struggle. Yeah, and so they have, but I like watching

Starting point is 00:44:58 the young guys play, because it kind of revitalizes me in big rates a little bit. Hell yeah. Like, golly, these guys are out there just playing carefree, ripping it. You know, sometimes when you have a bunch of years of experience, you got some scars too, right? I mean, these guys are just letting it rip into this coverage and I'm like, I remember CJ threw a touchdown, I think it was a preseason game.

Starting point is 00:45:19 He threw like a bang eight into like, into three buzz right over the safety's head. And I was like, I saw him that year, we played him or something or practiced against him and I was like, what are you doing ripping the skin right there? Are you in the rotation for a touchdown? And he's like, hey man, they didn't play it right. And I'm like, shit, I mean, just to be carefree enough to be like, you know what, shoot it in there and score.

Starting point is 00:45:38 I'm like, man, I'd have been going that way. And you know, probably been second six, we'd have been happy with a four yard completion, but my man's driving off the field with a touchdown. I'm feeling pretty good about it. I mean, I've noticed that even just You know, probably been second six, we've been happy with the four yard completion, but my man's a little checked out. Trying off the field with a touchdown. That is pretty good. I mean, I've noticed that even just for me, like you get resistant to something sometimes just because you've been burned on before. 100%.

Starting point is 00:45:53 Like I don't really try and then you'll watch somebody else do it and all of a sudden it like works out. You're like, man, am I wrong in this or am I right? Like what's going on here? I mean, sounds like yours is pretty black and white. But like the further you go, no, I'm with you the further you get in your career You got to fight that sometimes right for sure man Like I know how they should be playing that defense. Yeah, and they're not playing it, right? But like I went over here and this was open even though I know shouldn't be you know I mean you're like the teams that are really ultra like undisciplined on defense or don't want to give away any secrets

Starting point is 00:46:21 But those are tough ones to play sometimes you're like, you're like, you may get a freebie and score or whatever, but a lot of times, man, you're passing something because you know the coverage and it's wide open because they blew it. It's tough. Tough sometimes. It's tough when Calvin Johnson's double covered. Because you're like, man, he's double,

Starting point is 00:46:40 but fuck, it is Calvin. Do you see anything when you're watching a young, a young quarterback where, like, oh, man, he's got it? Or like, what do you, I guess, what would you see out of a trait in a guy that you like to see out of a quarterback? Yeah. I mean, I think poise is a huge one, right? Like, because I think that helps, you know, withstand time.

Starting point is 00:47:01 I think quarterbacks, like so much of it is like longevity. How often can you do it? How many years in a row can you just go out there and be that player? And there's gonna be times where things around you or you were battling something or wherever and it may not be as good, but what are you when times are good, when times are bad?

Starting point is 00:47:18 Also in game, like hey, it's fourth quarter, we need you. Like, what does that look like? I think that's something to me that, you know, helps, you know, predict and project what guys are gonna be like down the road. Cause that's what they're all looking for, right? They don't want like a guy to be really good for one year. They want him to be good for a long time.

Starting point is 00:47:34 And that's something to me that, like, you look at what Jayden Daniels was able to do. I mean, those guys, they proved it both, I think, through like longevity of a season, but also in game in big moments Being able to come up for the team is pretty cool What there was like 11 wins or something like that like at the last? Yeah, I mean there's crazy all sorts of them, right? I mean had the massive Hail Mary that everybody remembers, but there were a bunch of other ones too. There were there were great plays Yeah, I gotta ask this before we get to this next segment. Yeah, you played of the best D-tackles in this decade plus of football,

Starting point is 00:48:07 in Aaron Donald and Dominic and Sue. Who frightened you more as a quarterback? You know, spent more, I probably played more, I don't know, it might be kind of close. I was gonna say I played more games against Aaron Donald than I did Sue, but I played quite a few against Sue there kind of at the end.

Starting point is 00:48:25 I would say having, you know, experience with both ADs, it was a different deal. I agree. Because there was like, the get off was crazy. I mean, he just wrecked practices. Sue was that way too in a lot of instances and was a great player for us in Detroit and then, you know, bounced around and had some unbelievable seasons at other places too. But AD was, AD was something different just watching him go about his job every single day. I remember like the third

Starting point is 00:48:52 practice I was there in training camp we have no pads on and we're in a quick game I'm throwing a hitch to the field and I smash my thumb on his helmet and I'm like yo I just caught the ball. It's like catch throw bang and I'm like and next thing you know, everybody had the guardian caps on. They were like, yeah. Next ever some, you know? But it was, but he was, he was crazy in his ability.

Starting point is 00:49:12 And I would say the respect that he got from offensive lines and other defenses was something I've never seen before. Yeah, I would agree with that. I mean, we treated him differently than any other defensive tackle that we ever played. And Sue was, I think Sue was like almost, he like wanted to kill somebody.

Starting point is 00:49:29 Where AD wanted to kill somebody too, but it was like a different level of intensity. AD though, his like motor, it was every single snap, every single play, you could not take a play off. He never took a play off. I don't know how he had that kind of conditioning to this day. The combinedness of his athleticism is explosive in strength. He's a smart player too.

Starting point is 00:49:52 He's a smart player. He knew. You talk to him. I get in the cafeteria and you sit down and you talk to him and he's like, yeah, I knew if I wasn't doubled, if the center didn't come to me, it's run away. Because the center comes to me every pass play. And if the center comes to me, it's run away. Yeah, because the center comes to me every pass play Yeah, it's and if it keeps center comes to me its pass or it's run to yeah center goes away Like you're not not blocking me with two. So he knew it was run away and then he's shooting a backside gap I mean like he

Starting point is 00:50:14 Was just like could make decisions and go like that that quickly sure it was it was impressive to be around him and and watch him work, I mean the way he worked out we had a Hell never forget and he was crazy in the weight room. Like The Rock came in and worked out with him one time. Just doing knife fighting. Yeah, he's a maniac in the weight room, right? And I'll never forget, this was 21 or 22 maybe, we had like a Make-A-Wish kid who like a year before

Starting point is 00:50:43 had been like, hey, I wanna, my dream is to go like be with Andrew Dombel for a day kind of thing. And thankfully this kid at that point had kind of beaten the odds and had beaten the cancer that he had, I believe, and like was really on the mend. And it was really cool. Like he came in and you're like,

Starting point is 00:50:57 oh man, this guy's like doing good, right? High school kid, like bigger kid, like loved to play football. And AD was like, cool, come work out with me, right? And I'm like, I'm walking by, I'm like, yo, what is about to go down? And I look over, and I'm over there doing banded something, and 30 minutes in, and AD's just ripping curls out,

Starting point is 00:51:16 and next thing you know, this kid is puking in the trash can in the hallway. And I'm like, AD, can you please have a little cooth, a little understanding? The key is you got what you wanted. You wanna be AD? You wanna be AD? It was unbelievable.

Starting point is 00:51:34 I'm like god can we just relax on the bicep curls for a little bit? It's like how many do we do till we throw up? It was just unbelievable. I was like this guy has no, the motor just never stops, man. It was incredible. I remember it was my first time playing in LA against the Rams and it was a pre-season game.

Starting point is 00:51:53 And I'm number three closest to the line when running all goes special. It's cover two or at least I see two high. And I'm thinking I'm just right up the hash. And I take off and I'm like, man, I'm just gonna fucking dig for my first like five to ten yards and by the time I got to the like Five yards downfield. I felt something throw me to the numbers And I got out out of that play like fucking like little days. I'm like what in the fuck was that?

Starting point is 00:52:18 And I watched it on film and it was 80 coming from the backside B gap and just fucking smoked me Oh, I believe there was a blitz from the other side and I was AD coming from the backside B gap and just fucking smoked me. Oh, I believe it. Cause there was a blitz from the other side and I was just like, what the fuck? I had never felt like more of like, like the lightest thing in the, yeah. I had never moved that fast before ever in my life by anybody. I remember we were, I was in Detroit. We're playing a game against the Rams and there was St. Louis still at that point. Jim Bob was our coordinator and you know, I dropped back to pass late in the game, we need to

Starting point is 00:52:47 play and Aaron, I have two hands on the ball, right, like this, and Aaron just comes up from behind me and just rips both my biceps apart, the ball falls down the ground. And I'm like, I'm looking at him and I'm like, I come over to the sideline, I'm like, I mean, I'm pissed and I'm like, I don't know what I'm supposed to do there. He's like, you gotta find a way to hold onto it. I'm like, go fuck yourself, man. You think I, I don't know what I have so to do There's like you gotta find a way to hold on to it. I'm like go fuck yourself Like this and like kindly separated my arms he's like I'll take the ball I was with Jim Bob. I'll never forget when he came up, we both probably cut this.

Starting point is 00:53:26 Bro. Gotta tell it though. Tell it anyways. So, I'm sitting there, we had just hired Nick Sirianni and Shane Steichen and Jim Bob was on the staff. I had never met Jim Bob. Oh yeah. I didn't know about him in Detroit really.

Starting point is 00:53:38 Yeah. He comes up and he says, hey Jason, my name is Jim Bob Coutter. And I fucking laugh Like audibly like a giggle yeah, and I'm like oh, oh that's fucking real Awesome fucking dude, he's a great dude, all time name. All time name. All time name. It caught me just so off guard. Like I was like, what the, are we like in varsity blues right now? 100%.

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Starting point is 00:57:39 Let's get into this last segment brother. Yes. Yeah, we gotta ask you tell us to fuck off. You don't gotta answer but yeah, we gotta ask. You can tell us to fuck off if you don't kinda answer. Okay. But yeah, we always wrap it up with, we gotta ask but you don't have to answer. Oh fuck. We Gotta Ask is brought to you by Mentos Gum. Do do do do do do do. Do ah.

Starting point is 00:57:59 Why are you trying? Because you keep doing the same note. No it's not. You're doing the same note. I'm doing's not. You're doing the same note. I'm doing a different note. Do your note. No. Ah.

Starting point is 00:58:10 Ah. See? Yeah, you were different that time. This sounded terrible. That time you were different. Because I did the same note that time. Ah. Ah.

Starting point is 00:58:18 Go high. Ah. Ah. Ah. That was close. That was it. That was it. I'm done. All right. Yeah, no, this would be easy. This would be easy. Rapid fire, too. You don't even got, that was it. I'm done.

Starting point is 00:58:26 Yeah, no, this would be easy, this would be easy. Rapid fire too, you don't even gotta think about it. Am I elaborating on these answers? Am I just one-wording? Yeah, you can listen, fuck off. Whatever feels right, just give me the question, let's fucking go. Yeah, that's right.

Starting point is 00:58:37 As of 2024, the only remaining active players in the NFL from 2009 draft class are you and Jets punter Thomas Morstead. Morstead. Morstead, yes. active players in the NFL from 2009 draft class are you and Jets punter Thomas more steed more more stead more stead Yes, the the EAD Red yeah My first grade daughter hunter is doing those words Real deal, I don't know who created this fucking language. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:59:06 Do you plan to do whatever it takes to outlast most? I'm not even saying I'm waiting for him to just wither away at some point, but he just keeps going. He's a machine. We actually played the Jets this year. It's funny you say this. We played the Jets this year. I was unaware that Thomas was an 09 draft pick. Did he fucking challenge you?

Starting point is 00:59:26 Post game, he fucking came up to me and was like, yo, can I get a picture? We're like the only two guys still doing it. So yeah, it was nice to get a picture with my guy. It'll be the last one. Yeah, right? Don't ever ask me for a picture again. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:59:43 I love it. No, I mean, he's got a gig that promotes longevity. So we'll see. I don't know if I can keep going, but he probably can. Yeah, you can keep going forever. I don't like my odds. Do you have a favorite throw? One is tough to, you know, tough to come up with.

Starting point is 01:00:01 I mean, like throwing a fade to Cooper to win the Super Bowl was pretty awesome. Yeah. Yeah. To play earlier in that drive to throw the end breaker. I had where it kind of Looked him off was was another good one Those are the two that come to mind and then weirdly enough the three that you know hit me first were all to him But the the one in Tampa in the divisional round When they brought the zero pressure on the two-minute drive and I just he's running like a vertical push to clear out for a dagger Yeah, and I like caught it backside safety whenever I was like oh my god this is zero and just boom launched that one

Starting point is 01:00:29 fade away those three are pretty good ones because they were like high leverage high leverage moments right like there's some cool ones that you know you're getting blown out or you're winning big but those were high leverage moments and and I was able to make it happen all right now you have a submission from Andrew Whitworth recently told a story. Big Whit, oh great. He said, one time you threw a bomb

Starting point is 01:00:49 to Van Jefferson against Arizona. I don't know if you remember this play. Okay, it's gotta be 21. You said fucking die as you threw it. Yeah. Is that for real? That was a good one, that was a good one. That too was a good one.

Starting point is 01:01:02 You like called like nothing but net. Yeah. Yeah. Kobe! Yeah. That's a good one. It was a good one. That too was a good one. You like called like nothing but net. Yeah. Yeah. Kobe. Yeah. That's it. It was a good one. Yeah. It came out of the hand good.

Starting point is 01:01:10 And I was like, oh, this is going to be sweet. I'll never forget it. JJ Watt was on the sideline. Wasn't playing that game. He was hurt. And I like threw it and kind of like spun around and like, for some reason, you know, I'm kind of cruising down their sideline and I lock eyes to see him and I'm like,

Starting point is 01:01:26 ho ho, got him, yeah. And I was like, also thank God you're not playing. I would not have been able to get that one off. But. It would have been way harder with you in front of me. Yes, but yeah, that was a good one. Van, when he got that one, that was kind of like a cool play action half boot that we had put in

Starting point is 01:01:40 maybe that week or week before and hit it and it was sweet. That's awesome. Yeah, it was a cool one. Who put in the fake spike? In Dallas? Yeah. Oh my, that was not put in maybe that week or week before and hit it and it was sweet. That's awesome. Yeah, it was a cool one. Who put in the fake spike? In Dallas? Oh my, that was not put in, Coach. That wasn't? No.

Starting point is 01:01:51 That was just you just swinging it? Spike, spike? Well, I was like, so we throw a scene ball to Calvin in that play before and I thought he got in. Everybody thought he got in. Riley Reif was our left tackle at the moment and he's celebrating like WWE style on the 50, like, oh. His back is to me.

Starting point is 01:02:07 I'm screaming high pitched like a girl, like, get over here. And so everybody's kind of waiting for Riley to get back from his celebration. And so I'm standing at the line of scrimmage, and I've got time to kind of like look. There's like 12 seconds left on the clock. And the D-line is just like chilling in a stance. Sean Lee was kind of just chilling at Mike Leimbacher

Starting point is 01:02:27 which is very unlike him. Very much. What a stud. He was a monster. Oh my God, he was a good player. Super smart, me too. He was tough. But so I had time to kind of see it happening

Starting point is 01:02:37 and I'm like, fuck it, I'm just gonna go. I'm not gonna let him call another play. We had just a spike or a kill it, whatever you wanna call it. We had that called, and then I just decided to go for it myself and thank God it worked out. All right.

Starting point is 01:02:49 That would have been a tough one. Yeah, an all-time fail had it not worked. Well, it did. Yes. Yes. Was your return to Detroit the wildest atmosphere you've ever played in? Yeah, I would say so.

Starting point is 01:03:02 I think, yeah, both times, really. The playoff game was crazy. That was wild because we ran out for pregame warmups and the place was just packed and just booing the shit out of me, which is whatever. But yeah, that was a loud, loud game. And then we came back for the opener the next year and it was crazy loud again. They support. When they're rolling, they support, man. It's wild.

Starting point is 01:03:27 They're not fucking around. No, that's- Especially Dome City too, oh man. Yes, they're rock and roll. It actually gets rowdy. Yeah, both of those were night games that had ample time to- Lick your up, yeah.

Starting point is 01:03:38 Yeah, yeah, get ready to rock and roll. So they were going- We're gonna remove any type of barrier we have to congenialness what the fuck did you just say i'm gonna stop talking all right i knew where you're going to being nice yes there we go what do we got your father of four girls yes as i am about to be yes you got any advice buckle up no it's uh it's a blast, man. We saw each other not too long ago and we were talking about it.

Starting point is 01:04:09 It's a blast, man. My seven-year-olds will soon be eight, six and a four, so we're like rocking and rolling. We're in leotards all the time doing gymnastics around the house. It's crazy. I don't know, man. At this point, I'm like I don't even know what I would do with a boy. I can't even wrap my head around it, so I'm just like man. I at this point. I'm like I don't even know what I would do with a boy like I don't even I can't even wrap my head around it, so I'm just like I'm all in on the girls

Starting point is 01:04:35 I mean changing a diaper with a nut sack there. Yeah, it would be weird agreed agree Yeah, like wiping shit up a nut sack like I don't't wanna be a part of that. I'm with ya. I'm with ya 100%. I'm with ya 100%. She's gonna shine those things, man. She's gonna shine those things, man. Where are we at? Baby Nutsacks, I think is where we left off. Yeah, I think that's where we stopped. We're on Baby Nutsacks.

Starting point is 01:04:56 We'll back on the Nutsacks. I don't know why that's at in the rundown. Former offensive, no, I'm kidding. Your former offensive coordinator, Kevin O'Connell, told a story about a game before he was head coach where QB fell down a skinny staircase at Lambeau. Do you recall this? Yeah Well that was that QB you? No, no, oh shit We've narrowed down the suspects. That was the guy before me. Oh shit

Starting point is 01:05:22 That's why I was obviously not there for it, but allegedly he had a Monster spill down those you know those like fuck. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's old school Yeah, yeah, I guess he took a spill. I don't know I wasn't there for it But that's not a fun way to start your day Lambo. It's gonna be tough enough already. Yeah, he's bounced back. Yeah Yeah, he's great. Do you feel you've gotten you haven't gotten enough credit for? The no look pass is coming common in the NFL You know, I don't I don't care too much Keep a credit meter if whether I'm getting enough or not, but know that for me though started when I played with Calvin because

Starting point is 01:06:03 Everybody in the building knew I was trying to throw him the ball Yeah, So I was like, all right, how do I get all these guys off my scent a little bit? You know what I mean? And so I'm trying to move backers and when they're like just sending all the zone coverage right there and I'm trying to like maneuver it. So it kind of started then, like, all right,

Starting point is 01:06:17 how do I still get this guy the ball? And so, you know, it obviously evolved into more tactical use of spreading it around a little bit. But I don't ever think about it, it just kind of happens organically. I mean, I know, you know, Pat does them and it's not, at least for me, like I'm not like talking about it, you know, you just kind of feel it and you're playing the game. And sometimes you feel like you need to move somebody and you move them.

Starting point is 01:06:41 Marshall It's that easy, just don't look where you're throwing the ball. Marshall It just freezes everybody for a second. Sean Yeah, there you go. I'm with you. It's that easy, just don't look where you're throwing the ball. Yeah. It just freezes everybody for a second. Yeah, exactly right. Well, we got you here. The first time we met you was out in Georgia.

Starting point is 01:06:51 Yeah. The lake. Yes. July 4th. What was your first impression of a guy like Jason Kelsey? Jesus Christ. You know, I remember, I feel like-

Starting point is 01:07:01 And shout out to the Air Force boys, Brad. Yeah, man, they know how to go on a chat hall. You let those guys out and look out. Yes. They'd be like, we've been just doing PT for the last six months. Haven't seen anything. And they walk out and it's like,

Starting point is 01:07:13 yeah, here we go. Chasing the bikinis in a boat. It's like, oh. And I was like, whoa. Yeah. We gotta back up. But these dudes were, they were rocking and rolling, man. They were fun.

Starting point is 01:07:24 But it was, those were great times, simpler times. They were so fun. South of Lake Lanier, man. Yeah, man. The Hall of Fame. We gotta do another trip. They were trying to run it back at some point. I'm like, golly, man.

Starting point is 01:07:34 It would be hard now. It's gonna take a lot out of me. Yeah, yeah. You know, I mean. Different days. But it was 10 years straight they did that. 10 years. I think I was there for nine of them.

Starting point is 01:07:42 I didn't know it was that long, yeah. Started on like a Mastercraft wakeboard boat and then graduated into a giant houseboat. Full on triple decker houseboat? Jesus. Before we get out of here, I gotta have you read this from my former teammate and one of my favorite teammates of all time, Darius Slay. Oh, love Slay. He said, I guess you were known to pick on DBs occasionally and this is a quote from Darius after the

Starting point is 01:08:06 Eagles Rams playoff game. It's heavenly. I got you. I'm not that old. I can, I have good eyes. So sorry, so sorry. It was fun as hell until he started, started trying me the last two drives. Like goddamn staff, like damn, calm the fuck down.

Starting point is 01:08:24 Like shit, this is so slay. This is so on brand. the last two drives like goddamn staff like damn calm the fuck down like shit this is so slay this is on brand I know you've been slinging this motherfucker sling that motherfucker somewhere else well Darius I'm sorry I just had to do something I was trying to fight back man you guys were kicking our ass so it was uh I love playing against him I played against him you know quite a few times since you since we've both been gone from Detroit and he is, what a great teammate. What a stud.

Starting point is 01:08:48 Wish him nothing but the best. I love getting to compete against him. He's a man. That's it! That's We Gotta Ask and that was brought to you by Mentos Gum. I think that's all we got for you. Dude, I appreciate it.

Starting point is 01:08:59 You got anything for us? No, thank you brother. No, you guys are the fucking great. I appreciate it. 92% is Matthew Stafford. Yeah baby! Let's go baby! Appreciate you coming through brother. You got you guys are the fucking great. I appreciate it. 92% Matthew Stafford Let's go, baby. Appreciate you coming through brother. You got a man. Thank you. What's this year? Appreciate it. Thank you know, all right All right now, let's wrap this episode up with some no dumb questions. No dumb questions is brought to you by American Express

Starting point is 01:09:25 That's right only doing one of these today since we had a interview. We're just gonna pick what sounds interesting and we are brothers. We didn't really prank each other growing up but that's the topic for this one. Hey guys it's Willis from South Carolina. Hey Willie. And I'm not a parent but I do have two younger brothers. I'm in college they're in middle school and I'm babysitting them for about a week and a half coming up in like a month and I want to pull some pranks on them Oh, but I don't know what to do because I'm not a very good pranker, but I want to get better at it. Cuz you know, let's have some fun I don't want to do anything too cruel. Like I don't want to traumatize them, but also like let's have some fun

Starting point is 01:10:00 So what are your favorite pranks to pull? like a middle school age boy? Thank you so much All right, Willow. Let me tell you about a game called poop dollar. All right Want to get it their middle school feel like a dollar work still for a middle schooler, right? What 100% Yeah, take a dollar five dollar. We'll get them excited, but they actually they still might keep that You really want to like really get them 20 dollar bill. Yeah, that'll for sure work. It's gonna take some dirty work though So you want to go get some hospital gloves get some gloves? Glove up for this hopefully you have a pet that's makes it way easier But if not just go to the park yeah, or you can do it yourself, but

Starting point is 01:10:43 I'm gonna never gone that far. Yeah, we haven't done that yet. You're gonna want to take a $20 bill, fold it in, like, a U shape. Roam your backyard for some type of dropping of excrement of some kind. Take the U shape so the bill only,

Starting point is 01:11:00 not your hand willow, bill only, you smush it right in the middle of the bill. Now you have it in the middle of the bill. Now you have it in the middle of the bill. Fold that puppy over on top of each other. Set it down where the boys are gonna be. You know they're gonna wander by. They're gonna pass by.

Starting point is 01:11:15 It's gonna be enticing. You gotta be around though. So you gotta camp out, you gotta hide out. You have to be there while they pick it up or you're not gonna be as satisfied. Yes, and you're gonna wanna leave it so that they discover while they pick it up or you're not gonna be as satisfied. Yes. And you're gonna wanna leave it so that they discover it, pick it up, and then find out that lo and behold,

Starting point is 01:11:31 there's poop inside of it. And you scream... Poop dollar! So that'll work. That's a good one. That's a great one for middle school boys or really boys of any age. Yeah. Um, man, grow men. That gets them too.

Starting point is 01:11:45 I would say another one that we, we knew about that we didn't really partake in as much, but, um, I see how the jockstrap always works. So you can go I see how in the cruel, but it takes about an hour to wear off. Chris Pessy got me in ice hockey. There you go. Yeah, of course I do. We, uh, so the, the freshmen used to have to unload the buses or something like that, and we had a loss or something like that,

Starting point is 01:12:11 and I was trying to get the hell out of there. Didn't unload the bus, came back the next day, put my jockstrap on, went out on the ice. Not a fun day. Both icy and hot, just as it... Nothing icy about it. It was pure hot. There's zero ice to it. Yeah, it can feel a little cruel.

Starting point is 01:12:27 And if they don't wear jock straps, I mean, just the boxers work. Yep. Boxers work just as good. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't do that. That's too far to me, Willow. But what are some other good ones? What are some, we're just not great pranksters.

Starting point is 01:12:42 We didn't do a lot of pranking. If you have one of those like, like hoses that, like you gotta squish on the squeeze, like on the sink, put a little rubber band around that so that when they turn the faucet on, it just sprays them right in the face. It's a good one. What are some other good pranks?

Starting point is 01:13:00 You could booby trap them. There's always, you can always booby trap them, get a balloon full of whipped cream or something like that. They open a door, all of a sudden, smacks them right in the face. That takes some good work, some good, you gotta be kinda handy with a tool in your hand. Where's she from?

Starting point is 01:13:16 South Carolina? South Carolina. Are there alligators in South Carolina? I'm sure they've ventured up there. I mean, if it's a pool day, get an alligator, duct tape its mouth closed. And go to the pool.

Starting point is 01:13:31 Yeah, well, good luck with that. They don't have straw. They're not that strong at opening their mouth. They're only strong closing it. So it's duct tape will hold. You'll be good. Yeah, that sounds terrifying, Jason. It'll be very scary, though.

Starting point is 01:13:42 I'll wait for them to be around their friends and then just pants them. Yeah. Yeah. Got nothing for you other than they will hate you forever. Please let us know what you ended up doing. We can't wait to hear how you prank these little twin fuckers in middle school.

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Starting point is 01:15:08 What are you going to start off? Do you want me to go lower? Yeah, go lower. I can't do that one. Where you at? I've got to go real low. Where you at? They gotta go real low. Where you at? Do do do do do do. Do wah.

Starting point is 01:15:26 Wah, wah, wah. All right, so I'm up there. Ah, all right, go. Do do do do. Wait, hold on, now you're doing the whole thing? Yeah, I'm gonna try and. All right. Where's my ending note again?

Starting point is 01:15:38 Do wah. Well, now you're higher. Wah. I can't find where you're at. You gotta go, Jason. I have no idea where you're at. You're all over the place. I'm not, this is why I don't do music. Follow New Heights on the Wondry app

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