New Heights with Jason and Travis Kelce - Mom and Dad on the Kelce Bowl, raising NFL sons and Kelce Family Secrets | New Heights | Ep 26

Episode Date: February 6, 2023

On the twenty-sixth episode of New Heights, we sit down with the two people the whole country has been waiting to hear from, Donna and Ed Kelce!  Donna reveals how she feels about the Kelce bowl (07:00), who she’s really rooting for during the game (10:00), and if she’s going to actually do the pregame coin toss (16:30). We also get answers on who broke the couch growing up (27:20), if Mom really wanted a daughter (29:20) and the truth behind Travis’ name (30:25).  We dig into some family secrets about raising Jason and Travis (35:15), what it’s like to be a parent to NFL players (43:45), if Grandpa maybe committed some light treason (49:10), and if we need to run it back next year (01:05:20).  Next, we’ve got Ed Kelce who shares his candid thoughts on who’s winning the Kelce Bowl (01:08:35), what it was like coaching Jason and Travis growing up (01:32:40), and why he went to such great lengths to make sure they had a great Christmas every year (01:47:55).  We finally get Dad to reveal some incredible family stories including why pizza rolls counted as a vegetable growing up (02:00:50), why no one knows how to pronounce Kelce (02:06:18), what was his plan if he actually heard from aliens (02:07:53), when the last time he stole from the library was (02:11:40), and dad’s favorite story of household destruction (02:14:30).  As always, thank you so much for supporting the show. Watch and listen to new episodes of New Heights with Jason and Travis Kelce every Wednesday during the NFL season & check us out on Instagram, Twitter, and Tik Tok for all the best moments from the show. And in case you missed either of our conversations with both starting quarterbacks of Super Bowl LVII, check out our Patrick Mahomes and Jalen Hurts episodes below:  Patrick Mahomes Episode: https://youtu.be/QdAQcCtY6GY Jalen Hurts Episode: https://youtu.be/Lrjln8ZGsbU Kelce Bowl Merch: https://homage.com/newheights  Support the show:  Download the SeatGeek app and use Code KELCE20 for $20 off tickets https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/KELCE20 Go to https://FireballNewHeights.com and submit your “F It” moment of the year to enter for a chance to win a trip to New Heights’ big game celebration in Scottsdale, along with several other great prizes. Head to https://factormeals.com/newheights50 and use code newheights50 to get 50% off your first box.  For the month of February only, visit https://athleticgreens.com/newheights for a FREE 1-year supply of immune-supporting Vitamin D AND 10 FREE travel packs with your first purchase. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're not going to lose with one of us? You're only going with the winner? I have already won, dude. You won what? I'm on the most popular podcast in sports. That's right! That's what I'm going for! I have already f**king won! Okay?

Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, welcome back to New Heights. The juke's are in zone show presented by Wave Sports and Entertainment and brought to you heights the juke's original show presented by wave sports entertainment and Brought to you by our friends and fireball That's cinnamon delight. How about that? We are your host. I'm Travis Kelsey. This is my big bro Jason Kelsey out of Cleveland Heights Ohio that Northeast Ohio baby Also Cincinnati bearcat alum Follow the show on all social media platforms at New Heights Show.

Don't forget to hit the subscribe button on YouTube and wherever you find your podcasts. This is an absolutely incredibly special show for the fans. Jason, why don't you tell them why? Yeah, I mean, we've talked about having both of these individuals on all season. We've had tons of requests from our fan base to have both of these two on and in light of the current situation in which Travis and I will be playing against each other in this upcoming Super Bowl. It appears that the entire country might want to hear from these things. That leads us to our

first guess which is first of all the maker of the best dinner rolls of all time and everyone knows her as the first mom with two sons playing each other in the Super Bowl. Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you our mother, the lovely Donna Kelsey. Hey, hey, mama! Hey, mama! My mom!

Thank you for joining us, mom. How you doing? Good, good. Awesome. Awesome. All right, well, we're going gonna start with a segment that we do every show I'm sure you've heard it now. Do you listen to our show? Absolutely. Oh, man. That's not good trip. We got to clean it up. Yeah, we got to clean up. Sorry mom We got we got bad vocabulary. We got to clean it up. We got a represent better. Hey, you learned it from me

Well, we're gonna start you're a saint mom don't you tell anybody that we're gonna start with the first segment that we start with all the time, which is new news news news news She's a natural natural right on cue and that's what you're right on. Right on cue. Right on cue. All right, new news. We are still the number one sports podcast in the world. We're actually the number one podcast on Apple.

We're starting to do some amazing things. Thanks to you guys, all of our supporters and listeners. This show is taken off. It might be boosted a little bit by the Super Bowl, but let me tell you, it's been great all year long and we can't thank the support enough. The first thing we're going to get to what new news is the Reddit page. We asked you guys on the last episode to get the shows Reddit page going because it is buns. Unfortunately, did too good of a job. We now have, I don't know, we now have New Heights podcast and our new heights. So we'll leave it up to you guys, but let's pick a name and merge

these two please. Do we have a preference? Do you like sub-subreddit? Mom, do you know what red it is? Yeah. All right. Do you like sub-reddit New Heights podcast or sub-subreddit? New podcasts or subreddit new heights more? I like the second one. New heights more. Just new heights. I like new heights more too. What do you think?

It's not just a podcast. Like we also have the YouTube deal. We have to show. Yeah, it's a show. It's become a thing outside of just podcasts. I like new heights. All right. That settles that.

You're all right. I mean, I wish the fans disagree. I mean, you guys really should. It's ultimately it's up to the fans. And speaking of the fans, we're going to talk about the fan-based names. I mean, are we ever going to figure this thing out? We've been, we've been juggling for about a year. We're going to get mom's opinion here. And then we're going to throw it to a vote.

I think mom is got great intuition, obviously. Mom, we've been trying to figure out what the fans, what to call the fans of New Heights all year long. Yeah. We have an insane amount of emails. And I think these seem to be the finalists. We have A, 92%ers, B, the Hooligans, C, the newooligans, C, the newbies.

The newbies. Or four, and this is thanks to Travis desiccrating a public official. I don't know if that's the right word, but the Gibronis. Oh. What do you think? A, B, C or D, which one's your favorite?

I kinda like D. You like Gibronis? Which one's your favorite? I kind of like D. You like Gibronis? You're Gibroni's? Yeah. You're in support of Travis shaming a public official? No, we're all kind of silly. You have to go and look what the urban dictionary says about Gibroni and what it is. What is it? Gibroni's. Why do you think Gibroni is in devilish fashion? No, actually no.

what is it? Because I know that it's in general. I actually know. I know that it's in general. It's basically a fool. That fits really well actually. If that's the actual definition of Gibroni, we are definitely

Gibronis. That fits too well. All right. Well, there's mom's pick. Travel what you're pick. Oh, there's mom's pick. Travel with your pick. Man, there's just something about the 92% or just, you know, just making this thing up as we go and kind of being right on point. You know what I mean?

Yeah, there's a lot of things. I feel like that's just kind of like how all this really began. You know? Yeah, yeah, I agree. I think the 92% is kind of like, how all this really began, you know? Yeah, I agree. I think the 92%er is kind of fits with the show. It's just kind of fly by the CD or pants, having fun, making stuff up that's, that's right enough. It's close enough, all right? Yeah.

But in lieu of mom's definition of the Gibronis, that's pretty good. If Gibronis does actually mean essentially just fools, I think that's a pretty good one for the show too. So I think both of those are probably my two front runners, but as always, it doesn't really matter what we think, because we're gonna take this to a fan club. That's the people, man.

Yeah, we are part of the democracy brother. We're Americans. We're all Americans. Well, not everybody listening. There's actually quite a few international listeners now. I've been catching you guys. Yeah, tuning in. Well, we're going to take this to the democratic process

and take it to a vote. And we're going to get to the bottom. Finally, as to what we will refer to the fans of new heights. To the polls. To the polls. We go very good. All right, mom, it's time. All right, interview is here.

Okay. I've been waiting to get you for years. Okay. Ha ha, all right now. Mom, time to get to what everybody has been waiting for. Yes. And this isn't a real interview. This is just a mom talking to her two sons about playing

in the biggest game ever. We don't really know how to conduct interviews. You do have a broadcasting degree, so you could probably do a better job conducting the interview. So we'll let's start right there. Mom, you do have a broadcasting degree. Do you have any coaching points?

I do. For how Travis and I are on the show? Not really. You guys are doing a broadcasting degree. Do you have any coaching points? I do. For how Travis and I are on the show? Not really. You guys are doing a fantastic job. I'll wait. There we go. All right. You're nailing it.

She taught us everything we needed to know already. But yeah, this is just us talking and having a conversation. We're going to get into some fun stuff. But first, the first segment that we wanted to get into, super well questions that we have to ask. How's the last week been for you? You've been on the today's show. You've bounced around.

You are the ups and downs of Sunday, really just the ups and downs of my game, because Jason had it walk in the park. How's the last week been for you? Oh, man, it's been so exciting. I mean, you know, not to mention just having two games, you know, on the same day that means so much. Even to both of you, it was just absolutely crazy. So just nuts and trying to get from the link to a bar to see you and make sure that we saw Jason's ceremony, you know, that was the hard part too. So, um, but thanks to Phillip L. Fee Police, it worked out really well. Philly police. Gotta love him. God bless him. Did you, uh, did you go down on the field for the Jason's game?

No, no, I didn't have credentials. No, not really in the jail. You did it. There's only so many people that are allowed on the field. That's what they say until Mama Kelce is there. There's no way they're denying you the field, mom. Travis, you can plane enough until they give you more credentials and I just I don't have the energy. Yeah, I don't have to go plane. I just have to go to the, just go to the people of the credential like controllers. It just be like, hey, my mom's starting to get down. Can I get a credential for my mother? Oh, of course.

Well, here's the thing. I couldn't, but you do that. You do that. You do that beforehand. You don't do it in the middle of the thing when you're up on the stage. You're right. You're right.

Honestly, nobody that was at my game came down on the field because I didn't give out any You guys got me red handed. I had really died. I don't do this. Well, here's the problem We only had a small amount of time the NFL in there Infinite was then decided to put both games back to back. So we literally There was no time I we were lucky enough that we could see a ceremony and or the back of a ceremony. He was facing the other way. But it just it was just one of those things. It's just we wouldn't have been able to stay

anyway. That's all good. It was adorable seeing Jason on the field with the girls anyways. Absolutely. That was the cutest thing. It was just so cute. Were you rooting for this specific scenario to happen? Were both Travis and I won? Absolutely. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. I wanted both of you guys to get into the Super Bowl and I just wanted to see one of us lose a Super Bowl. I get it. You know, basically what it is is I really wanted just pure joy. The first two super balls, the ones that you were in, it was like tense. We wanted you to win so badly, it meant so much to get that one under your belt. This one is just going to be pure joy, pure fun.

And you know, we don't, it's just going to be you're both in there. How can it get any better than this? It's going to be the best the best day ever except for when you were born. Both you guys were born. That's it can't get any better. Thanks mom. You want ever for you. It's one of the worst days for Travis or I know which one yet. Well, I got I got I got something I would probably make the day a lot go better a lot more than than just you know being in the game you you know, maybe a few touchdowns, maybe a win. That'd be pretty sweet. What do you think, Jason? If you want it would not be sweet. It would be terrible. Yeah. No, I hope you don't win. Of course. Mom, you said you're rooting for, you said you're rooting for

offenses. Yeah. I am going to be screaming the entire game. Whoever has the ball, I want it to be the highest scoring Super Bowl ever in the history of Super Bowl. Make it record. But still who you're actually rooting for? I'm rooting for the offense. I can't pick. Well, you can't say that either. That's a half in answer. You're half committed. I can't I can't pick you well you can't say that either that's that's a half-in answer your half half committed I can't I'm gonna have both jerseys

half jerseys on I'm rooting for both teams that's how I'm gonna tell fletcher Cox fletcher's gonna be very upset with your answer tell him that I'm 50% with you guys yes 50 50 50 50 are you gonna be Yes. 50 50 50 50. Are you going to be rocking the 50 50 Kelsey Jersey? What I got you? They that I got you that Jason didn't get you that I got you that uh he was really upset the first time we all played and you guys played each other because I was coming at him and the 87s on the front and so I had to turn around real quick because I could tell he was pissed. He didn't know. I don't get upset. What?

You know what was really sweet though? Cheryl Bosa, Nick and Joe's mother. She texted me and she was just so sweet and she said, the mom of two NFL players, I just want to wish you the best. And so I'm sure that wasn't true because her son was playing against my son, but it was sweet that she did. She, she, she meant that she, I know she did. I know she did. She is your number.

There's like, there's a, there's a, there's a,'s a underground committee of bombs that have a mother union. There's an NFL mother union. No, you know what? She saw me tweet my jersey and so she for the four to two DMS. I don't I don't know what I all I know is she said this is Cheryl Boza and you know we just chatted. Nice. It was nice. I really appreciated it. We're big fans of the Boza. How do you know what Cheryl Boza?

How do you know what Cheryl Boza is? Stop interrogating mom. I'm just saying, this is online. It was she verified? It was her picture. So somebody could have photoshopped that, but who knows? But no, I think it was really her because she came back to me the other day and just said good luck and

So it was sweet This guy's out of control time out. We got to get back to the rooting. Okay. Yeah, we got to get back this You've said in the past to both of us that you root for me because I've given you grandkids I've always known that you root for Travis Who do you actually root for? Okay, I have a question. Let's put it this way. Let's put it this way.

Let's put it this way. In this one, you have the luxury of rooting for offenses in a battle to the death, me versus Travis. Who are you rooting for? Okay, if you have a battle, if you are on a boat and you're in the middle of the ocean, who would you save me or your father? Who would I say just fucking through it? That's easy. I would save you in a heartbeat. Yeah, there's no question on that. Who would you save, Trip?

I was, man, you know what? Dang, damn it. Um, I mean, mom, but I'm feeling bad for dad. I mean, mom, but I'm feeling bad for dad. Go ahead, mom. Of course, I feel bad for him. I don't want bad to die, but I have to make a choice. It's not a, it's a, in these types of scenarios, you have to make a decision. Mommy, if you don't act quick enough,

you're gonna lose both of them. You got him, you don't have the choice. All right, mom, answer the question. Who you're saving? Life or death? Life or death? I know, I can't, I can't remember that. I'm not gonna say it. I'm not gonna say it. I'm not gonna say it. Remember if you choose me, if you choose me, just know that both Wyatt and Elliot will grow

up without a father. That's why I gotta start breeding. I gotta start breeding. All the breeders out there. Wait, wait till you find the right person. Find the right person. I'm gonna have them. I'm gonna find a breeder, and I'm gonna get kids so that mom can love me again. I love you, because it doesn't say that, okay, never mind. Mommy, who are you talking to after the game first?

Are you gonna stay for the parade? Are you gonna go down on the field no matter who wins and and congratulate the winner? Are you gonna find the loser in the? I Will be on the field for you Travis Jason will have his family on the field so no, I won't be on the field for Jason Is that why you're rooting for Travis? Didn't say that Jason I could say that. I could say that.

Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. You know why? Because I go the extra mile to get mom credentials. You say, all right, three, yeah. No, nobody else. You out, you're cool, you're cool. You gone.

She was trying to get to your game, Travis. That's the only reason she didn't get credentials. I knew that we were speaking over the case TV. For sure. What else we got? Did you know, mom, that there is a petition going out, trying to get you to be the honorary coin flip for the start of the Super Bowl. Yeah, to do that means you would come mom, have you ever coin flipped? No, That's my big concern honestly is I just don't know. Have you ever, can you, when's the last you've never done it ever?

Yeah I have but here's the thing. There are so many legends and people that have that have their blood, sweat and tears on their field and for a mom that's never played football I don't think that's the right place for her to be. I think your discounting mom. Every player who's ever played here. Well, here's a, I don't know if I would be a distraction. Oh, I don't know. Would I be a distraction out there for you guys?

No. That's what I would worry about. Because you've always told me since you were little. Don't you ever come out on the field. Oh, yeah. I don't care if you have a broken foot or what? It's dad. Don't you come running out there? I do remember that.

I do remember that. Yeah. You're like, don't you come out there? Yes. Yes. Yes. It's the only thing I remember from growing up with very vividly was when my, I was wearing a cup and hockey and it was

Rubbing me really bad. So I took it out in the middle of the game and threw it to you in the stands because it doesn't throw their cup to their mom. Yeah, it's like Ladies and gentlemen, I'm talking about mid play the puck is in play and Jason is going down the hockey pants. Scream. And hooks it like a grenade over the wall. Yeah. Yeah. And my mom's on the receiving end just catching it. Yeah. Oh my God. You know, I did catch it. But here's the you were, um, you immediately were ejected from the game. Not ejected from the game, but you were made to get off the ice because you have to have a cup to be on the ice. So they made you get off and back in. Is that true?

Yes, but the problem is is that you didn't. They never checked me for cups. How would they know? Don't you remember them knocking? See if you had it. I don't think it's. Don't you remember them? I think I got ejected because I probably like hit a kid in the head or something.

No, you didn't have the proper Second that was the second one you the first one was the cup. That was the first person to file the second person to file Was because you probably cross checked the kid in the child. Let's get back to the coin flip What yeah, sir you're not are you you you get to if America voted on it? Would you flip the coin yes or no? I? Would if the two of you say that it will not be a distraction to you deal No, you'll be focusing on the you know game. Yes, you're in I'll tell Roger. I'll tell Roger. I'm an expert focus I'll call him up. You have his phone number nope. I don't I think I mean if you watch that bangles game

You might have his number all right growing up Kelsey I mean, if you watch that bangles game, you might have his number. All right, growing up Kelsey, let's go. What's the Donna Kelsey story? Let's go, we got to move pretty quick, because it can't be here too long, but where did you grow up? Oh, like, you know, I grew up. Uncle Don, grandpa, mom, all the whole nine. Yeah, grew up in the East Side,

well, really the inner city, Cleveland. You know, right downtown, small house, grandparents lived upstairs, Don and I were downstairs. We shared a bedroom. It was a small, two bedroom apartment. And we grew up there until we were four and then moved out to the burbs. I'd be fourth grade, sorry, and then we moved out to the burbs. I'd be fourth grade, sorry, and then we moved

out to the burbs. And my mother was very, very ill. The doctor said that maybe, you know, putting her into a different environment might help her a little bit, but she passed. So my brother and I lost our mother when I was about, I think I was 12 and he was 10. So anyway, but you know things, things happen. Well, you found a great grandma. He married a wonderful human being. They married Blalock and she raised both down and I and by the grace of God if we didn't have her, I don't think we would have made it through. So she's just a lovely lady.

Wish she was with us, but she's not. And it was just, it was awesome. And I feel so fortunate that I was raised by her. So it was very cool. After high school, you went on to college. Yes. And education, were you the first person to graduate from college? Out like the grandpa go to college? No, he was there for one year at OU. But he married my mother. Yeah, he did for one year, but he married my

mom. And so they, you know, just went back to Cleveland and stuff like that. Do you think that one of the things that motivated you to go to college was Grandma Mary coming into the picture or Grandma Murr? Absolutely, absolutely. And she talked my dad into it because he was very much showvinistic so he thought that I should go to you know like secondary school or something like that it was typical. When you get to that secretary school or something like that. It was typical. And then into that in a second. Yeah. Yeah.

So anyway, he just basically said she's not smart enough to go to school. And my mom says, well, how is she going to catch a man? He did. He know little did he. So he sent me to go get married. That's what he did. So. So let's not me to go get married. That's what he did. So so Let's get back to the this well, I guess it's a lead into grandpa being showvinistic again, but yeah So you were an excellent athlete growing up uncle Don your brother who played football at Purdue

Our uncle was an extremely talented athlete himself Always says that you would be able to beat him in a race. And how there's legends of Donna Kelsey's athleticism. I'm not making this up for multiple people. Multiple. Yeah. What? Did you play sports growing up? We already know the answer, but we're just for the one thing. Yeah, it was before title 9. So we really didn't have the infrastructure for women like there is today. But I did did my father didn't want me being on the Track team, so I snuck away and went on my own Flanker, this is where you get your flanking from Travis

Yeah, so I Get the ability to not listen to my dad Not listening and flanking. Yeah, but don't say no. I went ahead and I went to Mr. Sites and he did the track team during the summer. And I joined the junior Olympics and I won several medals for running by jumping. And it was, in the fact, the surprising thing was the actual Olympics in Cleveland were being held in Cleveland Heights at the high school. So that was at you. You want all those girls running at heights?

Yeah, and I was on channel eight, you know, so. Wow. If you go to the groundwork on the Heights field for us for the coast. There you go. So Grandpa was not in favor of you playing sports. No. Is or going to college. No. But despite your own father not supporting you, you went and did it anyways. Yeah. And that that was a lot because of what Grandma Murr kind of fueled you with, right? Yeah. Because grandma Murr played field hockey in college, right? She did.

She did. She was also an athlete. And like, it's just, you know, he supported me. Once I actually got to college, he paid for my education. So I can't, you know, he warmed up to it. And he actually- Well, it wasn't there on the come up, but once you proved it, you were on it.

Yeah, he was okay. He just had preconceived notions. Sometimes you have to prove people wrong. Right guys? Yeah. All right. Now, so you went to college four years at OU, right? Yes. And you obviously got a communications degree. I did., but despite that you don't go to vacations. Yeah, you went into a illustrously long career in banking. Yeah, it was weird. I had to go back to school, get my masters because I didn't have all the math skills and accounting skills and things like that. So I went to UW and got that. But then I was okay to be a banker and it worked out. I worked in commercial real estate. Oh, geez, 30 years. I started out in Master Card, went to foreign international and then ended up in low income housing, tax credits,

which is, we'll make people's eyes roll up in their head. But anyway, it's basically every bank needs to support their community. And so that's what I did. I built housing for the less fortunate. So yeah. So somewhere along, somewhere along going into banking, you met dad. Yeah. How did, how did you and dad meet? I don't even know if I I really don't even know this mom. You're this is breaking news. How do we not know this? How okay? We were at vegans. Yeah, there's a bar on in the flats. There's never been a vegans. I don't think so. Don't they sell perch? Yeah. Oh, dad did take me there one time. Fish and chips. Yes. Okay.

Okay. So, so we just happened to meet there. He came up to me with the illustrious, uh, I guess pick up line was, did you say Joe and stop it. Stop. And I said no. And he said, oh, I thought you said Joe. I said, is your name, Joe?

And he went, no, it's Ed. I'm like, name, Joe? And he went, no, it's Ed. I'm like Yeah, what's yours? That's okay. That's okay. We ended up, you know chatting, you know, the halls were there I think Browse and even CC was there so everybody was having fun after work I was supposed to go out with a guy that night and we were supposed to go to a play and I never made it Your dad and I never made it. Your dad and I talked forever. You stood him up.

You stood that guy. I did. I did. You do that, Mom. Sometimes it sucks to suck, Mom. Yeah, it was meant to be. Sorry. It was meant to be just the way it was.

I've been there. We all bounced back. He'll be all right. I'm sure he's doing just fine. Yeah. Probably never took another girl to a play though. It was a good play to I really wanted to see it. I think we was Chicago I think or something like that. Shikai go. Um, we've, uh, we've talked about this growing up

in Cleveland Heights and all the broken windows and the, the floors that we went through and all the holes in the wall. Yeah, by the way, yeah, I have one question for you. Who actually jumped over the couch and landed on it so that the feet of the couch went through our hardwood floors? Oh, yeah, that wasn't anyone jumping, Mom. That was a power bomb of the century. Oh, the end of the sofa.

Yeah, into the ground. Into the sofa and then the sofa went through the floor. Oh, innovation. Yeah. Into the ground. Oh, into the sofa. And then the sofa went through the floor. That's how powerful it was. That was Jason throwing me around like a rag doll. Yeah, we just kind of slid that thing over and made sure you never knew about it. Yeah, I know.

But we found it before we sold the house. But we fixed it. But I'm curious. Why or how did we never break the television? With as many times as you were throwing a lacrosse ball across the living room, how did it never break? Well, that was the one thing that we cared the most about in our tiny little lives at that point. Was the TV. We couldn't break the TV. What would we do all day? But you still, you were still throwing throwing balls throwing all kinds of stuff.

But we made sure to steer clear the two news. We knew not to test the entertainment. That was what had the same by the bell and and who wants to be a millionaire and all the other stuff that we were watching at the time. Yeah, break that thing. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Fancy you were watching Fancy. Nick at night.

Naked night was a good one. I haven't met the Fonz at Big Kansas City fan now. I don't know. He's a Patrick Mahomes fan. That's not a comic. I've seen him. I've seen him wearing Kansas City Chiefs. Jersey's a Patrick Mahomes

played for the Raiders. He'd be a Raiders fan. I have no argument. The picture that I just got a pad of a whole playing for the raiders was fucking disgusting, Jason. Don't ever say that ever again. We got a flash forward.

You meet dad, Maryam. You don't have to go down all that. Nobody cares about that. What was it like? How? Yeah, I don't know. When did us two come into the picture? How did that?

It was about five years later. We were trying to have kids. It wasn't working for whatever reason. And I went in and one day she just told me she says, you're going to have a little one and I went, whoa, so I knew you were a mistake. I knew you were a mistake. She just said that they're trying to know kids. What do you want? Did you not listen to anything else? We were trying. You were trying. She was trying for me. You, who's just guy, let's be honest. Let's set the record straight. How disappointed were you when Travis became, was it, was it not just a boy?

No, no, no, I was not. I was, I was, I was, I was, I was honest. Yes, I was hoping for girl, but I got one. He's a fashionista I see where this is going you to I see it now. No, no, I'm just I'm just teasing I was about to say, was it Tracy? No. No. What about? And I have a little thing. You remember you guys were saying that I named them after the bad kid on overboard. Well, that's what I thought you named me as. Okay, there was another

Travis on a on a soap opera during the day day. A soap opera. And I just had thought he was the most gorgeous man in the whole world. And I named you after him. So you told us. So bad. Time out. Time out. I'm going to sew it up. So you told dad that you like the name Travis off of a fat little kid from overboard, but secretly you had a man crush going on and that's who you named him after. Yep, yep. That's so terrible. How could you do that?

Oh, well. No, I'm joking. Speaking of dad, okay, so let's, so you both raised us. Yes. You were married. How long were you guys married? 23, 24 years years something like that. Eventually ended up divorcing about what maybe

10 loving years ago. You were just getting into the college. It was like the end of college. Yeah, 12 13 years ago. So what why do you hate him? I don't hate him. We're friends to this day. That was a great way. So what why do you hate him? I don't hate him It's just you know we get along with you we get along great, you know, it's just sometimes people you know They move apart. That's all so you don't regret marrying him. No, no, never because I got you to. I wouldn't be here. You know, I wouldn't be on the show if it wasn't for that. So no, we both were like a tag team with you two and did all kinds of fun things. When one of you had to go out of town, another person would help the other child. So it was perfect. It was just you got to do whatever sports you wanted.

You got to go on all the tournaments. You got to do everything and it worked out. If there would have been another kid, somebody was going to lose out. So it just happened to work out for the best. Well, well, thank you. Yes, thank you. Thank you for making a mistake with Jason so that I could be here. And I didn't make any mistakes. I don't make mistakes. Yeah, well, it's because Jason turned out not too shabby. There you go. Before we keep going, we need to shout one of our newest setup partners. Fireball.

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Moving on to NFL parents. Um, when did you feel like the NFL might really like it might be a actual reality for us Like when did you kind of put it together? Was it in high school, college, or were you kind of just sitting here on draft day? Like, I don't know if this is actually going to happen. Well, Jason was the first one, and I know that that was very taxing. We were all hoping so desperately

that he was going to get drafted, and you know, the first round, the second round, the third round, it went on for days and it just was one of those things that we didn't know if it was gonna happen, but I knew you guys were talented. I knew you had the perseverance. I knew that you would be able to. It's just you don't know how your children relate nationally. You know that they might

be the best kid in your city. They might be the most talented or athletic kid on the college team, but you don't know how that is across the country. And there's a lot of kids that are just as talented as you are sitting on the bench at Alabama or Ohio State. They never get a shot. So it just, it worked out that, you know, all, everything aligned just perfectly on how you were able to play, get on the field, show your talents, and show what passion you have for sports.

Yeah, I mean, well, let's, so speaking of kids playing, do you have any advice for other parents listening who are raising their kid kids and also have dreams of playing in the NFL? What advice would you give those? That's a good one, Jason. That's a good one. What do you got, Mom?

Okay. The advice that I would give is tell your children that no matter what anyone says, always believing yourself. Number two, keep at it. Go up to teachers. Not the parent. The child has to do this. What do I have to do to get more playing time? What do I need to work on? The parent cannot do it. They cannot be the ones that are on the coaches, you know, backs all the time. It's got to become from the kid. The kid has to want it.

He has to get up enough courage to go ask this is what I want to do. That's what I want to do. And that's kind of what we try to instill with the two of you that if, you know, if we were at a practice session, go up, go practice with those guys. You know, tell the coach, I want to play more, I want to get better. That's basically it. We were definitely more curious than a lot of the kids growing up. But I think we both commend you and you and pops because all of our,

at least all of my head coaches and coaches on every single sports team that I had, especially all the travel leagues and all the community leagues, they all said they how much they love you and dad for never complaining to them about playing time or why we're not getting you know certain looks or certain opportunities. You guys kind of just let us go out there and have fun and our curiosity and our our drive to have that fun on whatever Playing field it was because we love playing every single sport growing up. That is at the end of the day would drove us to where we are today for sharing.

You feel decked. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And you just have to, but whatever it is, whether it's sports or music or art, whatever your child wants to do, they've got to love it. And if they're not doing what they absolutely love to do, it's not good to push them into something that they just think. You gotta love this shit, man.

You gotta fucking love this shit. Did you ever think about steering us in a different direction? Like away from football? Like, did you ever see like Jason doing something non-sports related like playing saxophone and be like dude that's your ticket No, I you know I I Just supported what you came to me and said you wanted to do I we tried to make sure that you had that opportunity There was sometimes we couldn't I Don't know whether it was both of you or just one of you said you wanted to go to Canada and be a hockey player. And I'm like,

I'm not letting somebody else raise my kids. I'm sorry. That would be me. I was in a tournament in Niagara Falls in eighth grade. And dad got approached by a, I don't know if it was a scout, it was probably a scout from junior leagues up in Canada just checking out a talent in this tournament that we were playing in. We weren't playing the highest level at that time. We were playing kind of like community league hockey, double A hockey. There was triple A and then there was I think one that was, like, kind of like more talent than what was in our league.

But yeah, they said that the traditional way of trying to get to the NHL is in high school, you go and play junior in Canada. And that, I took the dad, I was like, they think I have a chance? Like I could go to the NH, like it was like the coolest day of my life. Like, what do they see? They see something in me? I could go to the NH like it was like the coolest day of my life. Like what do they see? They see something in me. I could go be an NHL guy. And dad looked at me and said, you, you think that you're going to go to school?

I'll be kidding. You can't even go to school in America. You think you're going to listen to some other family tell you to go to school? I was just like, yeah, yeah, there's no way and you're right Fine I'll just do the heights. Yeah, and you're like you would have went to Quebec and you would have had to speak French We all know French was in my forte What do you think we would be doing if we weren't playing in the NFL both of us? You would be I'm trying to think of something. Well, I do remember the first time you came to me Jason when you were a squirt in hockey

I know a lot of these stories are hockey, but that's a lot of hours on the ice and you came to me and it was the first time You got to hit people and you said, Mom, you were so excited. I finally found out what I'm good at. That's a good searchin'. So I'm a good searchin'. So a lot of soul searchin' is a squirt. But really, I'll tell you,

I think you, it's in your mindset that whatever you put your mind to, and I think you've proved it this year, as in previous years, whatever you want to do, you will be good at. Well, you instilled that as an in this mommy. Why don't you tell your side of the Charles Barkley story? Because it's a little bit fun here on your side. Growing up in Cleveland Heights, how I love to tell everybody what I thought my name should have been at the time.

Yeah, now it's just, I was at the Black Party. We had Black Parade using Cleveland Heights because the houses were so close together. Shucked on the street, you get a permission from the city hall, and you would put tables out and stuff like that. And we would put out the basketball hoop out in the middle of the street, and kids would just have a blast, and we would eat and everything. And I'm so sitting down and talking to my neighbors. And I didn't know them very well because I worked during the day,

so I didn't meet some of the moms. But it was like, so they said, there's this great kid named Charles. He is the coolest kid. He's so funny and he's really talented. I'm like, really? Who's that? They're like, he's over there. They said, what a rapport. You said his name is Charles? I said, that Travis. He went no, he's Charles and this is this is for weeks You would tell everybody on this street that your name was Charles So I knew you wanted to be him and that was something that and I said no your name is Travis I know you don't like it, but you will when you get older. It's not a common name, so

CB 34 man big chuck. I still want to be I still want to be you chuck There you go. I still want to be you It's been so cool getting to know him, but that story is it's it's definitely one of the awkward ones that I Can always kind of just sit here and be like yeah, I was just out here blatantly lying about my name What do you what do you think people listening, uh, don't know about being a parent that in the NFL, that's kind of interesting? Like to other, obviously, you just talked about Miss Bosa, or the Bosa's mother, um, becoming, uh, do you, do parents like become friends on teams?

Do you guys team up like that? Or tell us a little insight on the parents' parent life in the NFL. Yeah, well I'm gonna start with college because it's a whole different. Oh, you got your bear cat moms. You got your bear cat moms. I love my bear cat moms and I still see them today. We get together once you know it not since COVID but we've been getting together for you know a couple of times a year or once a year and I miss them terribly. It's a couple of times a year or once a year. And I miss them terribly. It's a lot of time on the road going to away games and everything like that.

When you get to the NFL, your children are adults and they're dating people and they're married to people and they have their own children. And as much as they like to see you every once in a while, they don't want you there 24, seven. So the one thing that I miss the most is just being able to talk to you. It feels like when you left the house, I didn't know that you would be gone forever. Man. Yeah, I don't think any of us did. No, and it's just- No, and it's just- No, mom, you're more than welcome to come over here whenever I'm not dating anyone nor do I have kids so you-

I got a room for you over here whenever you want to stop by. Sounds like you don't need her, we need mom. We need mom for that. To say, to say, I'll just- I'll come out the filly then. Yeah, but no, I think that's the hardest part. And I think you guys have found out too, especially with the podcast, that you've been able to talk to each other more. You're so wrapped up. And the NFL is so demanding on a daily basis that there's sacrifices they have to be made.

People talk to me and they're like, oh, you talk to your kids all the time. I'm like, no, I don't. First off, I said, you know, seriously, you guys get a thousand texts a day. I'm sure there were more than night that you won. And how do my texts get through all that? They can't, you know, like I'm sure you don't even know. I'm kind of special. You kind of want to be able to respond to. I know they even know. Kind of special, you kind of one of the people that we respond to. I know. They get lost. They get lost in all the texts. It's like, I'm sure you don't even know that I said,

I was so excited that you won that night because, you know, I don't get lost in the text as much as they get lost in the drinks that I'm having. Because on the drinks, the drinks are flowing. I'm not really looking at my phone. That's true. But the other thing is, yeah, I'm so privileged to be able to see the world through your eyes, to be able to go to events, to be able to see how you light up people's lives when they talk to you.

They take a picture. How much it means to people and how genuine you are and it makes me very very proud. So I'm okay to give you to the fans. It's all right. Well, we love that everybody gets to see it through your eyes these past a couple years with all the fandom that and all the fans that you've created for yourself going on the today's shows and talking about us. It's been fun seeing you in the limelight as well. How do you, and dad, separate or support me and Jason through the... I'm sure everybody always asks me how do your parents split up seeing the games and stuff like that?

Why don't you give them a little insight? Well, I'm a little bit more methodical because I'm a banker. So as soon as the schedule comes out in April, I swear I've seen that. Yes. Well, they would put the schedule comes out in April. I look at all the games, find out when all the home games are. And I split it up eight for each of you. And I just do it that way.

This year was tough. You were away a lot at the same weekend. You were home and the same weekend. So I didn't get to go to as many games this year as I usually do. But we made it special for you. Yeah, I think I picked all the right games. So it was good. It was good. All right. The last question that people have to know as our mother, do you support signing babies? as our mother do you support signing babies? Um, dolls, yes.

I do support that. Do you support the actual babies? No, it's another for the good guys, man. So in other words, you're in support of us. You're in support of turning down babies. No, you don't have a young of an age. Yeah. Just shutting them off.

No, I don't think you should ever even put a Sharpie on an adult. I've not in the tattooing. So no. Sharpies are not tattoos. Did Travis and I ever do anything? It's defacing your body. No. Did Travis and I ever do anything grosser or more gross growing up as babies? Oh man. Well, you did take a hairdryer one time and hit me over the head And I saw stars. I think you're about yeah, I think he was a bit like four months old And he pay and we were sitting on the couch and I had my hairdryer just sitting on the end table and he picked it up And he went, what so you got both of us you got your dad and me with different

Things so so no signing babies. All right. That's fine. That's just the way I feel. I have a couple other questions I want to get to. So a man, I forget what publication he was with. He got the grandpa Blaylock story out of me. Yeah.

That's OK. Why was grandpa actually charged with treason? No. What's the story? What can you give us an actual story? What reporter got this out of you? I'm trying to remember which one. I think it might have been the Washington poster. I forget what it was.

They find this out. Well, they were asking me about the quote that Grandpa gave me. And then I gave him a whole background about how this guy actually, he wasn't a great grandpa, but he was a great grandpa in the right moment. But is that fair to say, am I generalizing with grandpa? What's grandpa a good person?

Grandpa was a narcissist number one. He named me Donald. That's one check for bad person He named me Donna and he named his son Don so he's got both of his kids named after him So there you go his name is Donald Blayla. Yes, so anyway It's one of those things where he was a wonderful human being. He got me to college. He paid for it He he didn't believe in you. You just said he didn't believe in being. He got me to college, he paid for it, he raised me. He didn't believe in you. You just said he didn't believe in you. I know. Eventually, he came around. He came around. Okay. After you proved it, you had to prove

to your own father that you could do something. Yeah. And he, I think he told me when I was 40, he says, I never knew that you would bank it in business. But anyway. This is two check marks in the bad guy category. We got narcissists and not believing in his own daughter Gonna create a tally right now Jason bad grandpa Good grandpa. I'm waiting for the good. Yeah, well anyway He was a funny person, but I'll give him I don't think I'll give him I don't think Hey, you determine it's good. I don't be funny necessarily means good Yeah, but because he's got so many in the bad category so far. I'll give him a check mark for well

Basically what happened was is he was upset because he was a salesman They weren't selling the product to clients anymore He decided he could do it better So technically it was industrial espionage. He was stealing plans that they had already thrown in the trash, but he shouldn't have done that. It was wrong. He got arrested, but he was never charged, and he wasn't selling secrets to the CIA or to the Russia. So no.

So he's a thief. Yes. Well, that's all right. That's fine. I got to put that in the bad category, my wife. No, that's a check to, why is that a bad thing? A thief? You know stealing. Stealing stealing stealing.

That'll be stealing. This brings up a great story. God, I'm so glad we got on the topic of stealing. My brother, I don't even know if you know the story. Mom, Travis and I were walking around. What was the, what was the grocery store? The Garis. The Garis. And you know how they had the candy that was sitting out and you could put it in a bag.

Ladies and gentlemen, I am not the only person that did this. This is the end of the story. And the, the, you would weigh it at the end and you would go and pay for the candy. Yeah. I am walking through Zaguerra's and Travis is just taking candy out and eating it right on the spot. I'm like, dude, what are you doing? And he's like, oh, don't act like you've never done this.

I'm like, I have never done that. What are you talking about? Well, unfortunately, he's similar to me because I did that when I was a kid too. So I'm like, you and Grandpa are all this are all a goots. There you go. No. All right.

Look at it now. All right. So he wasn't charged with treason. No. No. That's good. No. He never wasn't.

He never was charged. He never went to prison. He never went to prison. No. So he was charged, not convicted in a court alone. No. The worst thing that happened was he had his pension taken away That was about it, so but he did help out the Russians Which really

And not only did he help the Russians that's where he met Stoya right? Did he help the Russians? That's where he met a story. Right? Zoya. Zoya. Zoya. Oh my god. Well, that's another thing. Your father's been married five times. Charming in. Charming in. Charming in. Charming in. What's he? What's he fake? Was he fake? Full to all of these women? Of course not. He's a narcissist. I put it on the bad category. Another one in the bad category. And the other one is filling up the bad category. And the other is filling up the bad category. And the other thing was is that he just at you had a you had a an uncle that was two years older than you Jason. That's right James. Yeah, who's now in China? Two years old. Time out. So we've established grandpa's a thief, mom's a thief, Travis's a thief. Was James, was

or was James or was he not charged with treason in Korea? It wasn't treason. Well, they tried to, they made him leave the country, didn't they? That's because he was a DJ and he was cutting in on somebody's territory. What? because he was a DJ and he was cutting in on somebody's territory. What? Oh, J.A. is a DJ? In Korea, he lost a lot of weight.

He became a DJ. He was over there K-popping. He's over there K-popping. That's right. He was so... K-pop? Yeah, and so... Yeah, he was a DJ over there.

So he was taking people away from another bar and so this guy went and put- It's not illegal. I've heard nothing that would get you- It is if you were an heir could- No, he put marijuana in his room. So he's a drug dealer? That's what they tried to pin on. He's an international drug dealer. Let's be honest.

Marijuana, I'm not- I'm okay with that. Yeah, so I'm sure it was just, so I don't know what it was so I'm waiting for more good things from grandpa's side of the category Did he love that he was a good dancer? Oh Very good. Yeah, very good. That's where Jason gets it. Yeah, knew it and Yeah, very good dance. That's where Jason gets it. Yeah, knew it. And but no, there were a lot of good traits. He was he was a good friend to a lot of people. In my high school, there was a girl. Her family could not afford To get her her senior pictures. So my dad paid for her to get her pictures. He thought everybody should have their senior pictures So he had empathy. He had empathy. I'll put that in the good category. Yes, he did have empathy.

He's still trailing, but I'll put that in the sympathetic. All right, what? All right, speaking of... You gotta say good athlete because we get our athletics. He was, he wasn't in athlete. Comes down to good or bad person, but you know what, I'll get to him. All right.

Oh, I thought it was his name. It was positive traits. Yeah. What a, all right. That's enough of ragging on grandpa. Yeah, oh This is positive traits But uh, all right, that's enough of ragging on grandpa. He can't defend himself here He's he since moved on. Yeah, he was he was a great grandfather for me a really important part of my life and It sure meant a lot so I know he Jason to those who haven't heard the the story Why don't you give it real quick? We haven't told that story here. Mm-hmm. No, we have not yeah So how often to grandpa come visit us growing up? Well, he was raising his own child So I know I know

Barely saw that uncle those two years older. He also lived in Sioux Falls. Yeah So what do we see him like maybe once we barely ever saw him and once he twice a year he tried to come to at least one game of years a year he come to a football game. Yep. He would come to Cincinnati. He he went to a couple of pro I think a year first year. I think he made it to the Eagles. So yeah. Well, he, so when I was in high school still, and for some reason, he was in town at this very specific moment, and I had just found out that I wasn't,

had received no scholarships to go to like any D1 schools. And I was trying to figure out what I was gonna do with my life and whether I was gonna go and play football in college, whether I was gonna go and play lacrosse, whether I was gonna go to college at all, to be honest with you, which I think I was gonna go to college because mom and dad were certainly pushing that really hard.

And grandpa gave me a little card that had a quote from Calvin Coolidge about persistence on it. And for a long time, I had that card wherever I went. And then one day I got drunk and lost it like I have most of my... Damn it! Like Cheris and Sins and Annie Hummet? Correct.

There is a pattern there, for sure. And... What are the cards that... The quote said, nothing in the world can take the place of persistence untowel. Oh my gosh, now you put me on the spot. I think it started with education. Yes.

Education will not. The world is full of educated derelicts. Genius will not. The world is full of unrewarded genius talent will not. Nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent, persistence and determination alone or omnipotent. The slogan press on has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.

So a very deep quote for a kid who just wants to play football. But it really hit me for some reason at the right time and combined with my mom and dad supporting me, motivated me to try and play Division I College football because I could have gone Division 2 or 3 as well or 1 AA, but mom and dad really, because I had some partial scholarships, but mom and dad were very adamant that wherever I wanted to go, they would make it work. We'd find a way to make it work financially to just go and try and play wherever you want,

and went to a university since an addy visit and fell in love with the bear cats in the university and decided to walk on there. And I don't know what that would happen without grandpa giving me that quote. So for all of his womanizing and thievery and treason, he was a great grandpa at one moment. And so thank you, Grandpa, wherever you're at. You were about to say, you wouldn't get here without him.

Exactly. All right, let's cut away from grandpa. We got to, we talked about grandpa. We're gonna get back to dad, because there's a question We want to did you know that dad was trying to communicate with aliens? Yeah, he told me about what he said though was that he was sharing his computer Juice whatever you want to call it at that time. He called it juice. He called it a computer juice. Yeah

I think it's the hard drive. That's what he was sharing with NASA. And they were trying to find, you know, extraterrestrials. And yeah, can you tell me about it? At the time, what did you think of when he told you this? What did you think of when he told you? You know, I think I I'm not one of those individuals at the time at the time What when he told you that what was the first thing that happened in your head? I said, are we being paid for this? How are you not a cop chasing? Not a cop I don't believe it. But the funny thing is, now you believe in aliens.

Like, you know, I don't think she was, she was always on board with aliens. Not just the aliens, not just the aliens. She was always on board with aliens. Not just the aliens are out there. You believe that aliens have been to you to the planet earth. Yeah.

To the planet earth. Yeah, they're here, Jason. Yeah, I can't believe that we're the only ones in the universe that were so. I'm with you. I agree with you on that. I do think that there's aliens out there. I just don't think they've been to the United to the earth. Last question, mom. This is arguably the most important question that I have to ask. Yes. I've been saying last question for about 10 times, but this is the outro right here. This is the real last question. Was more memorable. Our birth, our draft, or our Super Bowl this year.

Oh no, our first Super Bowl, it says. Oh, our first Super Bowl, I'm sorry. Yeah, man, that's rough. Which one do you remember? Well, well, through the births, I was so excited. I'm so excited. No, your birth, what?

You were also drugged. That, I wasn't really drugged, but I, I, I had a, what do you call it, epidural or whatever. So yeah, so you're not really drugged, but you're just, can't feel anything. So, but. Sorry, I play football. Yeah, but- Sorry, put football. Yeah, so anyway, it was, you know,

I don't know, they're all such wonderful things. I, each time you win a game or you do something like, when you played this saxophone on, at Severance Hall, anything like that, whenever you do something like that, it just brings me pride and I cry. So, you know I'm a crybaby, so that is what it is. So, you've always made me proud. You've always made me proud.

And, you know, it's, there's a few things that we probably aren't proud of, but don't we all have that in our background? So yeah, but you know, I'm telling you, it, you know, to come through what you both have had to come through and have to overcome. It may not be as much as other NFL players that have gotten to where you're at, but it still was difficult for children to get through.

It wasn't easy. It wasn't easy, that's for sure. It's a grind, no doubt. Before we let you go, Mommy, we're going to turn the floor over to you or you can use this communications degree right now. You got any questions for us heading into the weekend? I think I asked you, oh, for the weekend, oh, man. What's the one thing you're going to be thinking about when you're seeing the National Anthem? Oh, my gosh. You're going to bring me to tears. That's always when I like, I have my, like, moment of appreciation of gratitude of just being thankful for all the people that have been in my life and how, man, I'm thinking, I'm choking up right now.

It's just a cool moment to sit there and look at all the fans in the stadium and know that, you know, you're about to go out here doing something so much fun in front of the people that you love and in front of the people that helped you get to where you are in life. And that's what I always think of when I'm, when I'm listening to the national anthem. It's one, my one moment to reflect on Everything and be appreciative and know that you're watching Yep, it's cool. How about you Jason?

Well, I always sing it Yeah, I think it's the same thing as Travis just said for some reason It's a very emotional moment and I think it's because you realize that You know all of us being here together as a country and as a group and as a family and it's a very emotional moment. And I think it's because you realize that, all of us being here together as a country and as a group and as a family, like all of these and friends, everyone involved in this allows me to play a sport in a game for a living.

And you realize how fortunate you are and how in this together all of us are. So it's an emotional moment for me as well. And it definitely causes reflection. And when it's a game like the Super Bowl, it's just magnified that much more. So yeah, I think I'm right there with the Triff. All right now.

Very cool. All right now. What were happening on with Dad next? Okay. Got any message you want us to relay to him No, not really just see him see him this weekend next weekend. Yeah, right now see you in the desert Oh, Mommy. I love you. I love you so much. Okay. We just see this week in Arizona Oh, it's gonna be pure joy. I mean I'm gonna love that game. I'm not gonna want it to stop. That's a problem

Deal. No, we do we need problem. Dude, do we need two? Do we need to run this back next year? Just a... Absolutely. Run, run. You both have to be in the Super Bowl next weekend too. Next year. Next year?

You said it. You gotta play, Jason. You gotta play. The official A's in general, Jason is not retiring. I'm not gonna tell you something. Got him to say that he is in on a Super Bowl rematch Oh, all right. Thank you for your time mommy. We'll see you down in Arizona

The good thing is is both of you play each other. You're you're playing each other in Kansas City next year Oh, and in bro head no Listen you fucking your brony Yeah, for sure. I love you mom. Thanks for joining us kiss my grand babies for me. I will thank you Diddy said hello. Okay, talk Kylie. I said hi. Love you. Love you a lot Talk Kylie Ison, hi. Love you. Love you a lot. Mama. If there's one thing I get asked all the time, it's how do I maintain my health during the season and the answer is simple. I take age you one.

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This next conversation is one that Travis and I have been dying to have from the moment we've started this podcast. It is going to be with the man who was our coach growing up, was the Christmas candy man, spent a lot of times in and out of steel mills while also looking for life among the stars. Our next guest is our papa, the first dad of two sons playing each other in the Super Bowl. It is, I'm ladies and gentlemen, I present to you Ed Kelsey. Yeah! Yellow Ed Kelsey. Yellow Ed Kelsey. Anybody that's ever called our house in Cleveland Heights. Yeah. Has heard the famous and infamous yellow at Kelsey, as pops would work from home and you would always have

his slogan right as he answered the phone. So that's a little shout out, a little love to everybody back in Cleveland Heights, man. Well, dad, thanks for being here. Have you seen the show? Everyone, haven't seen the last one. Haven't seen the last one yet. What do you do? It's been like our most successful one. Or was it? Take that.

I'll go with the program here. If you haven't seen or if you've seen I actually haven't seen them at all. I listen to them. You listen to them. Well, if you've listened to them, you know that we were not experts. We're not at all. What's the word I'm looking for? You're not you're not professional. That's where the word I was looking for. See, there's what that that's good that's you're not media professionals. That's right. We're not we're not. I don I don't want your pockets figure

that out well fine to do interviews we're just gonna have a conversation with our dad dad and two sons having a combo but I think people are gonna love it so Trav why don't you lead it off let's lead it off our first segment pops is The Super Bowl questions that we just have to ask you but but good. And ever so we've known for about a week now that we're going to be playing in the Super Bowl, Super Bowl 56. Seven. Seven. Seven. Seven. Seven. Seven. Seven. Seven. Seven. Seven. Seven. Seven. Roman numerals. The five is the V. So I just haven't seen it yet. I haven't seen it. It's LVII Nice, well, that would be 57 what's LIV

52 333 there we go pops here. That's what we got that here. Yes, all right All right, you have that one pops house the last week been for you since you since you found out we were going to the Super Bowl It's been crazy. It's been fun, it's been crazy. It's been, I have had a little taste of how your phones get blown up. Oh yeah. That is with text messages and emails and calls. I now understand why you do that. How do you do it?

How do you deal with it? How do you deal with it? What are you not? I don't answer my phone now. That you have to at least get get back to what I do is I get back to people that I talked to in the past. It is John. A couple of writers including Jack Hosech is one of them. Got back with John a couple times. Talk certainly talking Andy Baskin talk show with the radio Oh, not so you're mostly talking about just media

requests and people want to, you know, get you on. Yeah, I've heard from cousins, I've done a diet. Well, they guys they're not they're not the let you know, from people, from people I haven't heard from 50 years. Who's your favorite person you've heard from? The favorite person I've heard from, I sat down with Sam Farmer last Tuesday. Who in the fuck? Who Sam Farmer? Sam Farmer is a sports writer for the L.A. Times.

He is in the pro football hall, the famous and football writer. This is a guy, this is the top level guy, he just showed up. Then at a great time, at a great visit with him, what'd you guys talk about? We talked about you guys. And the whole football thing.

After that, it's always fun to talk to PJ, PJ Zegler's a sports sports journalist on air journalist at the Fox 8 Cleveland, which was, you know, the local, local news. I always, always, always get to show that love. Yeah, I always have a local guys, always talk with local guys. I'll tell you what, people didn't, didn't, I mean, we got to let everybody know. Mom had the communication degree, but you actually had a journalist like career there for a journal. Like is it the journalist? Yeah, a journalist career there for a second. What are you talking? You were, he was, he came out with a few articles. You would always have it. He would always have his blog. Yeah, you did the one piece on recruiting

That's just a story I wrote and posted it on Best part of a book that I've never finished Call somebody to grow up with about you too Which I gotta get off my button finish that one of these days right now And I would I'm gonna put that on the website when I When I actually did something with fog dad calm fog dad. Yeah, you gotta let everybody know what fog dad is now pops fine old gentleman dad Hey, okay fucking old guy dad Everybody had every cop had a fog team the fog team was the guys over 30 who were still playing rugby. Oh really?

So we're the fogs. You're a fog dad. We're fogs, Jason. Yeah, that's right. Hold the cow. You're a fog dad. Yeah, that's right. And I thought the entire time it was Fatal Guy. That's right. I really did. I thought it was Fatal Guy too. You're literally a fog dad. That's not that. I really did. That's not the old guy too. You're literally a fog dad easy. How the fog dad regardless? Regardless. The parallel guy, that's good.

I'm just a fog. I'm just a fog. Yeah, I'm a fog. They would always try to clean up say, find old gentleman. And, uh, in reality, he's a fucking old guy. There you go. No, that's not necessarily true. Pops, who are you rooting for? Yeah, now that we're here, Kelsey.

Kelsey, Kelsey. Kelsey. Kelsey. Okay, but there's two teams, so. We'll be here all the way if you get, if, well, then we're gonna be here a long time while you try and get that. All right, we're in a battle to the death.

One of us has to survive. Who are you ready for? Both of you. I don't know. Both of us. I'm going to go to the first and then I can die. Both of us have died. Both of you are going to win.

I'm going to go to Captain Kirk route. The Captain. I don't believe in no wind situations That's good. That's from Star Trek Jamesy. Yeah, okay No, wait, wait over my head for sure. Yeah, I know. God. Jason's gonna lie to you and say he knows what he's talking about I know who Captain Kirk is. I don't remember the specific situation We're talking about this is from like 1967. Yeah, Jason This is from the TV show. This isn't from all of us. I know. Yeah. I'm not a star. I'm not a tricky. You know what a trek is, Trev?

Trecky? Mm-hmm. I would say the cult that follows Star Wars. Star Trek. Star Wars. Star Trek. See? Look at this guy. He's all over in place. Let me put my glass of on. All right, next question. Boss, thank you for getting us to move on. We know a lot of the media has been asked you to get you to talk about the Kelsey Bull that is to come. So let's get these out of the way. Okay, go.

We've already asked you who the favorite is. And you said me, which I love you for that but Were you talking too first after the game the winner of the loser? Probably the loser have any reason for that or somebody's gonna feel pretty crummy Yeah And I want to and I want to be with him initially. Yeah, Travis said that You know mom can't lose but actually mom is going to lose and you're going to lose right there's gonna be a winning

No, no one you guys one of you guys are gonna lose You're not gonna lose with one of us You only go with the winner. I have already won dude. You won what I'm on the most popular podcast in sports I've already fucking won okay all the rest of this is just window dressing all right you're never gonna get the answer you want to talk about winning and losing the Super Bowl all right well mom said we're bad losers is that true I think you both take it to heart. I don't think you're bad losers. I think you feel for each teammate.

I think regardless of your performance on the field, which is generally stellar, you come off of a loss and vice versa. And your blaming is your blaming yourselves. Yeah, and that's the stuff that that were that were makes us proud. Yeah. But you recognize that this is uh, you you instilled it. I know you instilled it in me. I'm sure Jason has stories like this. But I remember growing up always whenever I had a great game. It was it was yeah, it was a good it was

a good game. But you could do better. Yeah. It was always it was always yeah, it was a good, it was a good game. But you could do better. Yeah, it was always, it was always taking it up a notch. I remember feeling like I, you know, I had the best game of my life. Hit a home run to win the game or something like that. And like, yeah, it was exciting. It was exciting, but those first two at bats, you were, you got it. I can't hit it. You got it.

I can't hit it if you don't see it. Well, the biggest room is a room for improvement. Right on, brother. I also remember doing really wanna game, yeah, didn't I do good? And you're like, stop seeking praise. I forget what you exactly you said, but you're not a fan of validation.

Yeah, I guess, yeah. I remember you doing that, but I don't know why I had that, but did you know there's a, did you know there's a petition to get mom to do the coin flip? Have you heard about this? I've heard rumors. It's nationwide. Well, good. Spread out there, flip the coin. Do you think mom can flip a coin? I did. You know, this is this is, you got a better chance to get me to pick a winner than to enter this kind of recession.

Well said. Well said, Jason, take us to our next one. All right. We're going to talk growing up, Dad. I fully intend to. OK. Let's talk about you growing up. Where are you from?

Family background. Let's just give like a quick, high level overview of Ed Kales' life. The oldest of two children grew up in Cleveland, Ohio, neighborhood called Collabwood, which was home to the Collabwood Railroaders. And he saw his, because this was a huge rail yard. We're traffic

between Chicago and New York, Mobile and Detroit all passed through Cleveland and those yards. Blue color town, blue color part of Cleveland, great neighborhood. It was a lot of fun. Went to one of the biggest high schools in Northeast Ohio at the time, St. Joe's, and also had a year in college, right? I probably had a year in credits that wasn't all one year in college. And what college? I did a quarter and a half. At Ohio State. at Ohio State.

The Ohio State? The Ohio State. Dad was a buff guy, man. Run on a buddy, head to come home. I'll run some other problems that we're not going to divulge here. With the tricycle for, I think I've got someplace around a year and a half of credits, someplace between Ohio State, Cleveland State University and tricy.

What did you do after college? Well, I started out working in a lab in a out working in a lab in a foundry that is rather than actually working in the production of the steel casings, I would be taking samples and taking them back to lab and analyzing them. Of course, you know, we didn't have the machines they got down to do whatever you do was wet chemistry. So you'd have, you know, if you're going to, you're going to test a particular heat of steel, you might have 30 different beakers with little bits that you're gonna test a particular heat of steel. You might have 30 different beakers with little bits that you're dissolving and you're gonna put different reagents in there and see how it reacts

and all that. So, started out of that, they started doing some physical testing of steels, things like that. The steel mill, that's where, and that's where you ended up for the most part of our life the still mill was Yeah, so did where'd you be mom? Tom out Tom. You didn't you want you in the coast card? Didn't you do the coast card? Well, I did I did the coast card. I tried to I tried to join first. I tried to join the Marines

They didn't let you and now they're because my knees First I tried to join the Marines. They didn't let you? No, because of my knees. They were talking to me. Well, I had the carton, you say, new knees. New knees. New knees.

I had the carton, you're taking out of my left knee. And when you were playing high school football, right? That was high school football. And they said, no, we're not doing this. And then I went to the army and tried to listen to the army. They got to remember everybody in my family prior to me was in the service. But we're also talking about everybody family

who lived through war or two. Okay, so that's what everybody did because of the back of the big one. Yeah, sure. I got a little pissed off actually because the army was office with the army because I thought, you got people going to Canada to keep from getting getting drafted and I'm here offering to come in and I had some grizzled old

sergeant just chew me out about you know what am I going to tell the mother of the guy that dies trying to carry your big ass out of there because you can't walk. And legitimate pointy at pointy point. And he says you really want to serve your country or you're going to be in a service. You could try the Navy or Coast Guard. I'd recommend the Coast Guard. The Navy is going to give you shit about your knees too. About your knee.

There was only the left knee at that point. Yeah. And I did. I missed it in the Coast Guard. And the crones reared up. I had that before. Yeah. And I was sick.

And what they're most of basic training I was reared up, I had that before. Yeah. And I was sick. And what's the basic training with some severe gastroenteritis? This entire time I thought you flanked your way out of it. Well, I didn't, sir. I thought I got the flanking from you. No, no, no. They just, they, you know, if I eat your sick, they don't, they don't need sick people in the service. They need people ready to perform.

You know, I do remember they taught you one thing really well. You were the best floater I've ever seen in a body. You did know how to float. I mean, it was not impressive. I still don't know how you did that. It was like flat as a board. Everything up on top of the water. Well, not everything.

What, what, what you were actually doing was you take a deep breath and you just let your arms and your legs hang down. And no, you don't, you have your arms in front of you legs are hand and down. Yeah. And when you're when you have to take a breath again, you kick your legs, push your hands down. And you rise up, take a breath and go back down. Yeah. To get through basic training, you had to do that for an hour. An hour. What? And there are reports of people doing that that, you know, I was a shinder on a pool. You know, we were doing it on the pool, but I mean, the training is because that's what you're doing the ocean.

If you don't have, you dump in the water and you don't have a light fest. Yeah. You do drown. It's called drown proofing is what it was called. How long could you do that for you think? I don't know. I don't know. You made it at least an hour though. No, I didn't do a whole hour because I didn't get that far along in the training. I probably did a couple, probably

to 20 minutes, 10, 20 minutes, something like that. Well, I think you would have made it. They didn't send you out there to do that for now right off the bat. You had to do a few times. You had to perfect the process. Growing up, growing up, I think you know they didn't send you out there to do that for now right off the bat You know a few times you had to perfect the Growing up growing up. I thought you were the most least dense man that I had ever met my life because you were just rise and You're just sitting right there at the top the entire time is impressive Where did you meet mom?

That's what we're Big his baby That's what we're getting. Fakens, Fakens, Fakens, Fakens. Fakens was shot around you. Fakens was one of only maybe two or three bars on the East Bank of the flats at that time. Everything else down there was all their sample Marines applied. And there were other, there were manufacturing companies

small amount of apps doing either metal work as some sort or putting together things and there were all there to. All that's the freighters. The flats, everybody can do their history on the flats. We got to get back to mom. So mom actually told us that you stole her from her date that night. You swooped her, you swooped her up, she was supposed to go to a play at play out square and see she's another guy. She's cago. With another guy in total screw that,

bum. Let's make some NFL babies. I don't, I don't actually remember that. Do you know we're gonna say that? You pick a blood? He's how you're doing. You got to what I'm saying? Do you know what I'm saying? Do you know what I'm saying? Do you know what I'm saying? Do you know what I'm saying? Do you know what I'm saying? Do you know what I'm saying? Do you know what I'm saying? Do you know what I'm saying? Do you know what I'm saying? Do you know what I'm saying?

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Yeah, she was talking about the pickup line. And that's what that's what got her. And I yeah, and we started talking and. And I need to I never I never I never have a car and I need to ride home. She gave me right home. She came out. So we'll hang on with like change.

Oh, this is a ride home. That's all she gave me. What she gave me right home and she came out and it's over hang on with like change. Oh, this is a right home. Yeah, what she gave me right back is why it's a little bit great with the Greg and Bill, which yeah, she gave me right home took a quick shower and cleaned up but we went out to a to the bar. It's over in Cedar Center called the no name. The no name classic. No name. No name. No name. No name. No name. No name. No name kicked up and did lots of business about 1130 every night because bars and Cleveland Heights closed at 11. Oh nice. From Heights and University Heights closed at 11 and the road name was in South Upland. Ooh. And so, like the 30th on the block, you got everybody went to the ronate. I mean, the place should be dead until 11 o'clock.

And then, you know, bullet. Yeah. Well, smart business model, right? Sounds like a true American love story. Well, speaking of Cleveland Heights, we've talked about growing up in Cleveland Heights. And mostly all the damage we did to the house. How would you describe raising both of us? A fun, you're panicking, man.

It's just alright. What, did you, I mean, you made us a mini stick arena in the basement out of plywood, and carpeting on top of cement, which I don't know how we were able to do. The cement was so bad. It's so bad. Well, the thing I remember, the carpeting was at the thick rope size of kernel. Oh, I remember, which is kind of rough when it scrapes your skin,

but it's a good pad between the concrete. It was a thick carpet. Yeah, exactly. When you built the mini-cicarena how Heavy duty to that thing need to be built I just I cut the boards and just found ways to prop them up if I would have for instance You know I could have to get architectural drive with two by four no Take four by eight sheets of ripple men after I had talked with the idea of taking two by four. No, five. No, I just take four by eight sheets of

ripple men half. I had talked with the idea of taking two by fours as backing is to hold them all together to give them more rigid. But then you're talking about something that's not going to be allowed to give to. Yeah. I really want to. I also knew there were going to be a boat, but a kid's down there that there that I don't I don't want somebody else getting hurt Did you think about splinters? No, because I got a fuckt out of those Coming but it's good for the immune system got to build up the immunities good point good point big immune system guy I actually expected that thing to be destroyed like in the first couple of weeks.

It lasted for years. It just lasted a couple of years. Yeah. That's pretty good. We had the sports complex outside too though. Yeah, let's get this. Let's not get we used the house and the garage as backstops or you know, well, part of the rules of the game. Well, you got fired up in hockey, we did the thing, I made a PVC goal. And then through a bad bit net, we got around that. And so you guys could shoot outside on the driveway, shoot pucks at the goal. And you would miss the goal when we have these

indentations in the garage doors all over the place. Then when we turn it around and there go the windows on the basement boom boom boom. Had more dense than a ProV1. Yeah. What um, and we can't forget that we can't forget we can't forget hand baseball. Yeah, that was so big. That was so big. That was so much fun. What were the rules of hand baseball? The rules of hand

baseball were like kickball rules. Yeah, like kickball. Yeah, you hit the ball with your hand and if you feel the ball can hit them before it gets with the ball before you get some first bases out. Yeah, if you can hit them anytime you've got the ball, if you can hit him when you're not on bases out. Right. And if you hit the house, it was a below certain amount. Well, was the house a home run or was it above a certain height was a home run? No, if you nailed the house, it was a home run. Yeah. We didn't start playing the levels until we got the wiffle ball and we started playing the wiffle ball. Yeah. Yeah. No, because we're playing with rolled up socks, if you remember.

I do not remember that. Ah, I remember that a little bit. Rolled up socks. We did hacky sacks, but the hacky sacks, every shot was a home run with you two. Oh, yeah. So I started just rolling up socks and you met because it wouldn't go that far.

Nice. I made a little bit hot. Well, it was great exercise. I will never remember. I'll never forget. Excuse me. Uncle Thine comes over and of course he lived in Parma Heights. He and he comes over and he's going to play hand baseball with us. And he played a way of a great time. And the next day he calls it, he can't move.

His arms and shoulders is like, and it really was a good workout. I mean, for a part of the throw, because you're doing a lot of quick twitch moves. Yeah. It's almost like a continual comb drill. All right, Pop. You just got done talking about handball and all these things. What made you get Travis and I in sports?

What was, why were sports so important? Well, sports weren't, I didn't get you in Travis and I in sports? What was, why were sports so important? Well, sports weren't, I didn't get you in Travis and the sports. And sports weren't all that important as such. It was more of a natural progression of what you guys wanted to do. So, like the kid though, you don't really know about sport. Like, what was the first thing we did was T-Ball or soccer?

The first thing you did was your toddler on the living room for you, rolled a ball to me, I rolled it back and we played that way. That's where it all started. And this is where we're at today. Okay. So, what point did you sign us up for T-Ball or soccer? Well, first opportunity.

First opportunity. Five years old for T-Ball. Did you coach immediately with T-Ball? Because I know you are coach in youth baseball. No, I, I, I, T-Ball was hard when we were on the West Side. I was a lot through the hill. No, you know, you wish. There were a lot of hair and a lot of people wanted to be coaches.

It's more like a game. That was fun with me. I'm not, you know, I just, you know, just have fun, you know what I mean? I do remember you giving me a bunch. I do remember you giving me one piece of coaching advice in T-Ball, which was, you pulled me aside and you said, Jason, none of these kids can throw a catch. You have to hit them all. Just keep running.

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you were in coach pitch. Yeah pitch at Heights and it wasn't a high-jewith program, it was run by the school actually, community services, community services. That wasn't a Heights program though? Well it wasn't a Heights and it was Heights Community Services but it was a H. R. We were available. So it wasn't up at four sales. And you know, and this was, this was all, you know, touchy feeling, you know, Oh, yeah, touchy. Touchy. Touchy.

Touchy baseball. What are you talking about touchy feeling? Well, I, you can't get much more touchy feeling than coach pitch baseball. I, I, I went out to pitch one time and I threw it overhand. And then there were, there are parents there who objected to Overhand pitch got to throw everybody has to get it underhand Everybody has to go under him. Yeah, that's when we you're like all right. This is not the local Where kids going so yeah, we went over to get any service. I don't know something underhand to you all right

Mm-hmm and everything is a line shot. We have little kids scared to death. You know, every time you come up. So it was out of safety. It was out of safety. And it's, well, about the stuff I can. You're never going to get in trouble. So we never get in trouble.

We never get in trouble. So we never get in trouble. At that time, Heights Youth Baseball had just consolidated like you know they had like three different programs going on at the same time that is between travel teams and there were there were two now like a little league organization and uh I forget what the other one was called and they had just consolidated everything. In rich Johnson, I kept telling him, look it, I got it, we'll just put this kid in kid pitch.

He'll be fine. And he said, I can't do it, so everybody's gonna want to do that, and I said, I, so we took James to, we went to South Euclid. I think, yeah, you played one year of kid pitch in South Euclid, when you were seven years old. Yeah. Dennis and I. Yeah, seven or eight. Yeah, yeah, a lot of them at Dennis. It was the coach

was great guy. You remember you had to hockey coach your first year. Yes. Joe, Joe talked to the coach that his son played with. Yes. Come on out here, some of them are not there. And you had a great time, it was fun. And you did well. You didn't, you weren't. I didn't like you being either one of you guys, but it really started mostly with Jason. I didn't like you being on a team where you were the stud.

Okay, I wanted you to be on a team where you got to work harder to play up at the level everybody else's. Makes sense. Makes sense. And we did that. Then the following year, you're eligible for high-chief baseball. And that's when you started coaching. That yes. Okay. I told there I told yeah, I coached I coached the T-ball with Travis. I actually had that same year. I coached T T-ball with Travis actually that same year like coach Steve all the Travis just not coached Yeah, and then

Then the year after that runs in South York with devil back in Cleveland Heights You're playing for for Ron Schmidt and Run one yourselves a white hat one yourself a white hat and run one yourself to White Hat, one yourself to White Hat. The legendary champion. I should have had that. It's quite someplace. I don't have one of those. Pop, we, uh, time out, I don't know.

We know when you, you know, what were your rules as a coach? He had one rule that I had. No, I had, I had, I had, I had, he's very disciplined. Because this was, because this was youth baseball, yeah, community baseball. I was and as as much as I was in the winter as much as anybody else. I have very specific rules for the team. Yeah. You would go from the infield to one inning to the outfield that extending to the bench that extending and then repeat. Yeah. That way every kid played equally, every kid would be exposed to more positions, uh, causes a few games

maybe. Uh, no, that was those are my rules. We love that though. We do love that. Not tell you what I remember playing for you. And it was the year that I played both travel ball and community ball because you were, you were, you were coaching community ball. When we were in college still. Like you never stopped. Yeah, if you guys were at home, well, you know, I didn't, I didn't, didn't seek it. So I got a call from Larry Shaw. Yeah, he said, Gerald, I need some coach.

I need a coach. Could you help me out? Yeah, and that was going to be a coach pitch. Yep. And I did that. And I did that. I played, I coached for six years. And I had I had kept the kids, you know, I didn't try to build this powerhouse. They were I think, but the

kids I coached the first year, if I was going back next year, they want to play for the same guy. Because we did this thing. You played every position. Yep. Everybody played equal. Because we did this thing you played every position. Yep. Everybody played equal Well, how did you do the lineup the lineup was cool how you did that too? Yeah, all I was you that was just basically print out a spreadsheet and put everybody's name in there And it was just you know the first nine names We're taking off takes out we're on the field. It works for line ups to five or six in the infield I thought you used to say you did the lineup based on who showed up to the field first that's batting order Is that not what I know?

Okay, I I get a batting order according to who showed up. Yeah, I'm there to have a when I get there half our before before the game I'm gonna start doing the light. I was actually there an hour before the game. Yeah, did you tell parents? Did you tell parents? I had a printout at the beginning of the year that made it very pamphlet. Yeah, no, just one pamphlet. We're gonna do this with we're gonna do this with playing time. We're gonna do this with playing time, we're going to do this with positioning, uh, ask for volunteers for snatchers, stuff like that. I said, the batting order will be when they show up. So if you're, if you bring your kid at two minutes before game time every week, don't come to me because he's batting last. So if the best hitter showed up last, he was nice,

he was batting last. It's a terrible coaching pop. That's not good. I'm not going to lie. I would have definitely been in the bottom line up. I'm not punctual at all. This wasn't the kids fault. This was the parents fault.

They also put their bikes. They were in a bike. They can't go to the field on the road. What are you talking about? They got bikes. Let's keep them. That can't be the point. What are you talking about? They got bikes. Let's keep them going. You can't be making accusations of parents. All right.

What sport did you play growing up? Mostly baseball and football. There was C-L-L basketball, but that was a pretty basic level. We just touched on that. You tore your knee up. You're senior year of high school And then and then you decided to play rugby after with a bum knee Well, I saw rugby. Well, I said Ohio State. I saw rugby

Yeah, that's pretty cool. Then I came back home after getting out of a state I ran in some guys that the known name that were rugby players Oh the no name the no name were rugby players. Oh, the known name. The known name. Yeah, I'm gonna put that. Yeah, ended up good. And ended up going, uh, going to a practice. Actually, what's your game first? And the rugby games were awesome.

They were out in, uh, in the Metro parks. We had, uh, we had a agreement with the Metro parks. We had a field we could use. They cut it for us. Nice. We lined it, put a goal post. And you know, you know, you got cars on both sides. Yeah, that's, yeah, that's how I did the other day. And so can you definitively say which sport is tougher? Which, which players are tougher? Football?

They don't put, they don't wear pads and rugby dead. I know, they don't block. They don't block. They don't they don't wear pads and rugby dead. I know they don't block. They don't block. They don't block. You're not on the block and rugby. You're not about to play a ball. You don't play the man you play. What's the scrum? A scrum is in a scrum as well. It's basically a quarter

back sneak. No scrum is you have you have nine guys on either side of them. We're not three five, seven guys. Hey guys on both sides of the ball that are knocked together both sides of the ball, that are knocked together, and they roll the ball in the middle. They do that in the idea as you push these guys back and forth, until the ball comes out the back.

Was that were you in the scrum or were you in the... I was second row. There's a guy in the middle called a hooker in the front row. Then there's two guys that are front row props. Okay. Then there's two guys second row. Sure. And then there's then there's three guys behind them.

Okay. And that's that's a typical. That's how it goes. So football players are tougher. I think I think you get a lot more high collusion. Basically because high speed collisions and football, I mean, you've got, you've got pads. You think you're not going to get hurt. You're running faster. You're guys are getting blocked.

Good. And, you know, so basically you're saying, remember rugby, if you're going to come out full blast and lay somebody out, it's going to hurt you. You ain't got pants either. If you're gonna come out full blast and lay somebody out, it's gonna hurt you. You ain't got pants either, right? And worst of all is you're missing an opportunity to grab the ball. You tackle a guy as soon as he hits the ground, he's gotta let go of the ball. Okay.

All right. And so you're at that point, you're jockey, you're jockeying for a position. I mean, the ball is a constant light of scrimmage moving and you're not allowed to go past it Unless you have possession of it. Wow. See him. Okay. And everything right now. You know, the Russian. See when he's got. Yeah, Jordan. Awesome Yeah, Jordan. Molotov. Yeah. What I was gonna say. Jesus miss you. Stur actually was really. Yeah, he grew up playing rugby Out of Cali. I believe out in Cali California was be with huge rugby so much Texas right on teams teams I played for and Cleveland were pretty good basically dad what you're saying is that Jason

wouldn't have been good at rugby because he's a blocker and I would be really good at rugby because you don't have to block. Yeah, or I could just flank the entire fucking game. Actually, I thought I'd do it. There's a legitimately a position called the Flaker. Well, the Flaker is a wider secret. No, maybe in football. And rugby, you have wings. You have the two guys at the end of the scrub on the outside on the back are called the wing forwards. Those are generally your fastest big man.

Alright, the two wings, the eight man, two seconds, two props and a hooker, that group is called the pack, which is like the offensive line. And they basically hunt together. Jason would have been also at rugby because of his attitude. Not only that, if a guy's running with a ball, if you can tackle him, that's fine. Well, what's better is when you look there and you take that ball from him. And that's also a ball. That's also, be honest, why it'd be good at rugby is because I like to drink beer. And I think that that's pretty much the only reason why dad really what he met the team at the bar and then after every single game after every single game. How do I know when you guys are coming to the no name?

We do it after every rugby game. If you just go right from the rugby field. All right. What's let's get to this. So we've credited mom very frequently with our athletic genes? Does this is this a fair accreditation? They're science to back that up They're science. That's what that's what I've been told now have I done a research now, but the the thing is oh you're saying we can

Don't get your athletic ability probably from your brother Okay, you don't think it's because if we got it, if we could have gotten it from you, would you have offered athletic ability? Sorry, Mr. Kelsey. I don't know. The question. Speaking of mom, you're divorced and we asked mom this question. How much do you hate mom? Not at all.

Cossies, both of them are liars. There's a sass of it. No, we're kidding. We know you guys don't hate each other. Ask one of those questions where you give a short quick answer to the point and shut the fuck up. Okay, all right. That's one of those questions where you give a short quick answer to the point and shut the fuck up. Okay, all right. That did not go as planned.

Also learn great things from Ed Kelsey. Shedding the fuck up is one of them. We know you don't hate her because you still remind us the call or all the time. You still remind us that reach out to her on a birthday for a divorced couple. Boy, you two sure do care about each other still. Well, sure, I would want nothing but happiness for your mother. Yeah. So you don't regret marrying her at all?

No, you never have me about that. What is we've told the story in the show about you taking a second job around Christmas in order to pay for gifts. Was it actually to pay for gifts or was it just for free candy? Let's set the record. I didn't know anything about candy. What? I didn't know anything about candy. You were in a candy store, Dad. Your, that was your product. I didn't know anything about candy. I asked, which probably you're not going to pay oversight on a candy key. You got to know more about candy to work at the key. I didn't actually do nothing about it.

I just went looking for a job. There's an ad in the paper for part time seasonal work. Typically, if you're working in the seal industry and the sales of operational products or any of the installations, even if you're just a service guy, things slow down right around Thanksgiving until after the first of the year. They're avoiding buying anything until they get into a new fiscal year. And guys don't want to be bothered. just go. You know, you show up with, you know, my big thing was, you know, honey big ham. The show called the big ham certificates. They're giving these guys and I get, I get, thank you cards from their wives. Yeah. I mean, you know, that, yeah, that was pretty, that was, I would do

that. So I had time and looking for something part time. The first year was because the, uh, and looking for something part time, the first year was because the iPads, iPads had just come out. Oh yeah. You guys wanted iPads. And you wanted those ridiculously expensive carbon fiber hockey sticks. Hockey sticks, yeah.

East and center Z. Synergy sticks. And so I need to get a part time job for that. And it paid good, but I'm gonna pay to good hourly wage. So what, why did you do that? What, why was making Christmas special so important to you? I have two kids that I was crazy about. Yeah.

I don't know what else, you know. Yeah, that's a good answer. I don't think that's, I don't think I'm unique in that or anything else. You know, plus you know, it was worth it just by those gifts. It brought in some more cash around the house. For for all of us. That's fair. We always bring up how you have a new niece.

You have you have. Yes, new needs. New needs. She was just going to ask you to hit a new knees for us. So thank you right on cue How did you how did you get these new knees why now how did it? What was the what was the what's the doctor? I got new knees. What do you mean? Well, I get Dr. primary care guy We don't need this. All right, my bad.

My bad. What? Our new artificial needs better than actual needs. Oh, hell no. Hell no. I see you moving around the garden. You look a whole lot better. Well, yeah, but if I had to turn, you have to realize that while I had surgery that took me out of sports in high school.

Yeah. That would be a bump of the road for a high school player now. Okay, because they only able to, I mean the scar. First of all, they don't go in and nobody goes in and takes the entire cartilage out anymore. Yeah, that's a better deal. They take it in, they take off the freight edges and they take out the best stuff and they do stuff to increase up like flow-sword heels. And they do know that arthroscopically, where they're just going in with like little needles in cameras.

Sure. Yeah, I know. I don't know how long. As scars add along. What do artificial knees feel like? They're, I don't know that they feel any different than a feel new Certainly can move a lot better. Got some loose a gooseyness to yeah, I'd better say yeah

It's a little tight and you know truth be told I haven't followed up as well as I should have no Tell you call out the life on my best story about the new knees. Yeah, what's the best? Last year was the first year really when got on airplanes to come see you guys. Yeah, okay? Because the pandemic here nothing and those are that's really the year that I had the knees. Yeah, yeah I got the important fill in them or including really think or fill in Mm-hmm or including really think, or fill it. And I look at all my cake 23 son of a bitch. Just gonna look around, see if there's somebody with a golf cart and get a ride from. Nobody there, so I start to walk and it hits me.

Oh, just say no big deal anymore. I can walk again. I can do this. This is okay. Did you have an issue with the metal detector? Yeah, right. I guess now it's not metal detectors anymore. It's like the...

Small thing. If you go through the metal detector, you can't continue. You have to go through the... You know, you go to the one where you put your hands above your head and it spins around. Mm-hmm. It's like a 3D picture of any metal.

Oh, they can look and they can actually... Yeah, if you have any kind of medical implants, you have to go through that. You can't go through the thing where you just walk through. Got it. No, no, we know. I'll tell you what that, I tell everybody that Jason is Ed Kelsey 2.0.

You guys are literally mere images of each other and I love every bit of it. Do you agree? Do you see more in Jason of yourself than you do in me? Am I spot on with this? No, no. There are things there are and you're not the first one to mention that there are mannerisms, tones, speech things, the way we talk and address people and stuff that are very similar between me and Jason. Oh yeah.

But as far as do I see more of myself and Jason than you know, in some ways it might be the other way. Whoa. And what ways specifically? Well, I don't. I'm not going to get it. We all were thinking it. We're all thinking it.

We're all thinking it. I'm saying he can't read. He's very poor with money. That's a great deal. What are we talking about? What? I thought it was just, no, We're not going there. There's a question.

Tram, come on. You got this, Nesan. Now I want to know what you see in me, that you see it yourself. Tram, this is all the things you need to do. When did you feel like the NFL might be an actual reality for me and Jason? Did you ever think about steering us in a different direction or when we? I was never going to steer you anyplace. I was just, you know, my thoughts were always, my job is to help you find your passion and then feed that passion. Now, your passion both of you

guys were sports. You know, know we've been the same thing, we've been music dance art, whatever, you know whatever you want to do I'm there but you're doing something kind of damn it. And as far as the NFL it was very apparent to me when you were in high school there was something outrageously special about both of you. Maybe even middle school. And another one of them. It's a puberty. Yeah.

Yeah. Big of everybody. But it been the size of it. No, OK. No, no, no. But at the time puberty had you been playing hockey for three or four years each. Right. Hockey was such a huge influence.

Yeah. And taught you so much about team sports, that that that translates over whether it's baseball, basketball, football, whatever you're going across, whatever you're playing, you're you're using those skills. And I don't necessarily mean the physical skills. I'm talking more of the mental aspect. You know, hockey, they're gonna skate, do something very uncomfortable on our thoughts,

move across ice on skates. At the same time, you gotta stick, you keep on the ice, you gotta pop, you can't book at it, you gotta keep skating. At the same time, you're looking at a rotation. Yeah, on that ice of where players are going and to know where you're gonna at a rotation on that ice of where players are going and to know where you're going to go. And I'll tell you when it really hit me about how much the exposure

that you guys had to multiple sports impacted everything was with Travis's summer of, you're off the team. When he played this whole... The only time I've ever gotten cut in my life. Well, I got cut in college too, but... And I watch him. You go up to the plate, and start looking around, everything going on, looking at the coach, seeing all these signs.

And the next swing, the ball ball went where it should have gone. Hit behind the runner, the runner advance, and I see him on second base, he's looking all around where everything is, catching signs back and forth. And I think what we're seeing here is the culmination of a lifetime, I'll be at a brief lifetime, but a lifetime of playing multiple sports and understanding team games and how you need to interact to make your teams better. I mean, it's the same skills, the same mindset,

this same skill like that, is a same mindset that you have when you got on the football field, when you're playing when Jason was playing lacrosse, it was the same thing. And you think that is what made it different. So at that point, by then everybody knew you were going to be in the NFL. I had a pretty good indication this was going to have just got kicked off the team. I wasn't even playing both of you guys. Yeah, but the four gone conclusion at that point. I just switched positions and I was I looked like Drey my green trying to run routes. I'm really speaking more about it that time. I knew it was it was a workout conclusion with Jason

but But and you knew I knew how to follow footsteps and you knew Travis was more athletic than me If James is going Travis is going All right, what's if we wouldn't have gone into the NFL pop. What do you think we would both be doing? I don't we don't to and to be honest we don't know the answer to this question. So I doubt you're going to know the answer. You would be doing you would be doing something with sports. So do you think Travis would be in the NBA? Well, I'm not even going there. I don't try to drag me into the next question. I'm not doing anything. There's no agenda behind that question.

It's just a question. I'm not there anything. There's no agenda behind that question. Travis could Travis have played in the NBA? Yes. But who do you know it? New it? But you know it. You want to finish? Can I finish? Sure. All right. There would have been no baseball, no football. It would have been nothing but basketball because everybody that's in the NBA plays nothing but basketball. Yeah. I'm with you on that. Everybody in major league baseball plays nothing but basketball because everybody that's in the NBA plays nothing but basketball. Yeah. I'm with you on that. Everybody in major league baseball plays nothing but baseball.

And if you're not playing, you know, and you have to because every other player out there is doing the same thing, is that's what they're doing. Same with hockey too. Yeah, I hear you. Yeah. And hockey is the only time you play good. Oh. What advice would you give parents listening whose kids might have aspirations of going And how can you see all the time? You're pretty good. Oh, that's a... What advice would you give parents listening

whose kids might have aspirations of going into the NFL? Depending on the age. And it's hard to say kids got aspirations for the NFL when he's six, seven years old. Yeah, I mean, I would move away from the, about aspirations for the NFL. Yeah.

I would say I would advise parents who want to feed that passion that their child has for athletics. And the most again, uh, it sounded like a broker record here. Put it on ice. That would be the first thing. Put it on ice. Get really hockey is the main way to get to the NFL. I know.

I think hockey is the main way for you to understand team sports and develop conditioning and team play. And learn skills to do things that are unorthodox. I think hockey is like that. I also think soccer is like that. Yeah, I think, yes. Baseball is kind of like that. Baseball is a little bit different too. Yeah, it's a little different., if the kids have the aspirations, find my problems with the parents who have the aspirations, I'm not the kids. Well, tell, tell the world what your feedness, man. Yeah, speaking of the opinions, talked about what do you, what do you feed NFL kids grow NFL future NFL

players? What does the nutrition like, uh, for those kids growing up? Yeah, I'm not, what is it? I'm going tell you everything, but it's not for NFL kids, it's not for anything, it's for healthy young bodies. What's that? Meat protein, protein with every meal, a car with every meal, fruit and vegetable. We're just so together. We've never got vegetables growing up. I'd never ate a single vegetable. We ate

Georgios of and fresh pizza Every single night not every night hamburger for sometimes good You got to Georgios What's a big oh bites. I want big oh bites, huh? We're talking about a big oh bite cards cheese. What cheese? What's on a bagel bite? Carbs. Cheese. What's that red stuff? That's sauce. Salt.

Yes, yeah. It's high fructose corn syrup. High fructose corn syrup. That's it. I guarantee that. It's a vegetable sauce. That's a vegetable sauce. That's a vegetable sauce.

Somebody pull up the nutritional ingredients. A bagel bite. A bad fructose corn syrup. All right, bagel bite. You may have a bagel bite. It's my type. It's just going to serve. A bagel bite. You may have a bagel, but sorry. Let's get to the real nutrition that we had every single time, most frequently probably. Besides peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, which was probably the number one thing we

had. Numero uno. And sauce gardener talked about this on Twitter and brought me back. Man, it was like hitting me in the face. Beans and weenies. I feel like that was our major dish growing up. Howard. You had a lot of that. I tried to, I tried to, you know, I tried to bury things for dinner so that, you know,

so you didn't get tired of, you know, Wayne stopping pizza. Again, and, you know, you know, chicken steak and mashed potatoes. And beans and winters are another good one. I mean, there's a good vegetable there. There's some sugars there, a little. I was hot dogs and mac and cheese. I was hot dogs and mac and cheese.

I didn't do the beans. You were huge back in the beans. Huge back and cheese. I never did the beans. The beans were the best. Where did Dr. Thunder fit into this nutritional where did you you guys were to squirt fit in are you are you out of your mind you're I used to steal your diet Pepsi when there was no other soda left

well you had to steal the diet Pepsi because I didn't want you drinking diet Pepsi we had more soda in our basement than wild ones and having their refrigerators. I don't remember you guys drinking much in the way of soda. We have a charity. We remember it. Every time you ordered,

that was the deal at Georgia. You get two large pizzas for free. Three is two liter or whatever you choice Jays to get the lards and you get a free two liter Your brother and I fought with the dog for the crush Travis was much more into milk and Jason drank a lot of water Yeah, nice you heard it pizza and hockey guys that'll get you to the NFL Travis was much more into milk and Jason drank a lot of water. Yeah. Nice. You heard it.

Pizza and hockey, guys. That'll get you to the NFL right there. What was, uh, pizza is a good food. You know, but I love PB and J's. So one of my favorite. PB and J's still a banger. I eat, I eat uncrustables every single game day. So at least like five of them.

It's ridiculous that it's one of the snacks in the locker pre-game and middle of the game. Sports science. That's so good. What do the people listening need to know about NFL, being a parent of an NFL player? You got anything unique that you can think of? Oh, I don't know so much unique.

I would, I'm sure know so much unique. I would. I'm sure people have heard the same thing from a lot of different NFL players. You got to you got to support them. You you use absolutely nothing you can do to to suit their their their bruised that just their bruised eagles, but their hurt feelings and miserable. I mean, you lose a game, you feel like shit. No, you're a kid, you lose a game, okay? You can hold. You get a pretty set at the end here.

You get a movie and we go get ice cream. You don't even, You try to throw it in a glass. Yeah, you can give us a doctor pepper, nobody's right. With guys in the NFL, there's nothing you can do except you just be there you know yeah how you feel and hopefully you know that's that's one of the things you've got to be prepared for because you are totally powerless in that in that regard well I got to tell you I know the other thing you got you guys are very thankful that they have good friends. And you guys both have good good friends, not just on the team.

I do appreciate you recognizing our friends growing up in Cleveland Heights. I love telling everybody about the multi culture, the difference in social class, the difference in race and how tight knit of a community it really is and how everybody supports each other. I got such a great understanding of a lot of different walks of life because of my upbringing, because of how much you guys accepted everyone in the community just as much as they accepted us. And I'm still close with all my friends today. I'm a big believer and they've helped me become who I am just as much as anybody else.

So I'm glad you said that. We're going to get the Kelsey family secrets. Is it Kelsey family secrets or is it Kelsey family secrets? Why in the world did you change your name out of nowhere? And now we are. I never changed my name out of nowhere. Okay, well let's talk about it. Why did we think that our name was Kelsey

for the first how long, how long, you're 24 years? 25, 25 years. 25 years, or 27 years of my life, 25 of a trip. I got tired of correcting people. It's a good reason to stop. Yeah. It's a good as I've heard.

So you changed your entire family's name over generations. No, you changed anybody's name. Because you were tired of correcting people. I'm not gonna lie. Kelsey has a nice time out though but that doesn't explain why we thought it was Kelsey. Like I could understand you got tired of correcting people so you like whatever. I'm gonna say these kids. Because I never because I never I never because your mother thought it was Kelsey. Why did she think it was Kelsey? Because that was the name that I went by at work.

That was my work name. All right, we go. Everybody at work did that, and so I just said fine. We're just screwing this. We're gonna do that. My dad, we get calls or we call in to get extra workers in an auxiliary cop. And he would always say, hey, this is Kelsey,

you got anything for me. Got it. Should we go by Kelsey. How about that? Fuck. I'm going by Kelsey. Don't call me Kelsey. Another inside of the Kelsey household secret we got to get to is why were you trying so hard to communicate with aliens? I'm going to go by Kelsey. I'm going to go by Kelsey. I'm going to go by both. I'm going to go by Kelsey.

I'm going to go by both. I'm going to go by Kelsey. I'm going to go by Kelsey. I'm going to go by Kelsey. I'm going to go by Kelsey. I'm going to go by Kelsey. I'm going to go by Kelsey. I'm going to go by Kelsey.

I'm going to go by Kelsey. I'm going to go by Kelsey. I'm going to go by Kelsey. I'm going to go by Kelsey. I we got to get to is why were you trying so hard to communicate with aliens? I had, you know, the internet was such a great thing because suddenly I could read stuff about anything and everything. And I come across a story about SETI, the search for extra terrestrial intelligence. Intelligence, yes. And they were... Intelligence, right? Basically they were those telescopes. You saw the movie content, right? No, were Well, it's just that you got the the arrays is scout the Audio telescope or dishes trying to hear stuff going on out in outer space So these guys saw a movie and decided to do just that no, no, they were doing this before the movie Okay, okay, they've been doing this a long time risk all their doing is listening and

There's a lot of noise coming from space Jonas listening and there's a lot of noise coming from space. A lot of noise. And also there's a lot of white noise, a lot of stuff that is just random shit. What do you think about the big thing? I don't know. I shouldn't have a lot of... I think they say that. Yeah, whatever.

But there you go. And Gia. And Gia. SETTI would get people that would donate their computer time when they were using the computer. Because they might have, you know, a thousand computers hooked up in their network. And I signed onto a network and with the bed. Sure. And overnight, they would be using the computing power of a boatload of network computers to analyze the noise coming from space. And it was, this is just all math calculations is what it was. And what they were looking for.

So every night, only during the the night they were recording sounds. Oh, no, they're recording sounds all along. But to take that recording, every time I went into that room at night, it was recording the sounds coming out of that room. No, no, no, they were recording sounds from space. What they were doing every night, you were hearing those sounds. As I was a teenager. Dad, did they ever call you and say, hey, we're done using your computer for data because all we're getting from your computer is fucking virus after virus. This is, and it's is getting it's screwing up our database and

No, nothing like that. What was actually shot because computers got so computers got so powerful so quick. They heard too many aliens. They could they didn't need my computing powder to analyze these math. The math coming out of these sounds Gotcha, so what was the plan if you heard like somebody like hey, I'm an alien Did you call said he like yo, what the fuck was that? What was that got a no did they have a? They like told you exactly what they thought it was?

There would be that there's nothing that I ever heard and I'm not ever question anybody, but there were always Every morning or every every third or fourth morning you would get An email that which I will hear is what your computer did the last couple nights worked on this sound coming from who's at what's it then yeah we didn't find anybody one was the last time you stole music from the library this is what I'm saying you and Jason are the exact same person because Jason actually did this with our Xbox When Xbox 360 came out the original Xbox that we had Jason and I think it was Nolan plunk it I yeah, no went and reprogrammed

When reprogrammed the Xbox so that you could actually download games on to our the Xbox so that you could actually download games on to the hard drive. Yeah. Burner. So Jason took your method of going and taking library CDs, but his method was go to blockbuster and get all the video games at blockbuster and download them onto the, so we were playing games that we, I didn't even know we had, but we were running for. Why are you snitching? 25.

What are you snitching? This is not are you doing? Why are you snitching? This son dad! I'm just letting everybody know you two are the same exact fuck person. Well, what dad did was illegal, was taxes paid for that. What I did, go to the market, was to do a dad that's...

And I was going and getting CDs that were albums I had already purchased. All of the, there's no chance. There's no chance you'll know all those albums. You're talking about. Oh yeah. You're saying at some point, I bought that much Chicago.

You're saying no chance. You're saying at some point in life, you had purchased them at some point? Or you're saying you purchased it? Yeah, all right. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. All right. Do you think aliens are on earth right now? Are they among us? Do we have alien DNA within us? You think?

Who is smarter between Travis? Yeah, I would think who is smarter between Travis and I No way, no way Already answered it. I just say it to the world. I Tell him And he changed your mind because you can't deny What you see the nine. I don't know what you're talking about. What? You see me? Wow, you're talking to two of us. Now we got treason and liars in the Kelsey family. Listen, ladies and gentlemen, my dad told Jason I was way

smarter than him. And all because you gave me the other Lego set. This is true. Listen, I don't need instructions. All right. All right, just show, just show me Just show me the box. Just show me a picture. I Can write my own directions, man. All right. I got I got I got no I go before we get to the out there I got to ask you one question. It's about the the Kelsey sports complex that we grew up in our house What is your favorite house wrecking story? Like the, the st- like breaking something in the house, one of us doing something that you had to,

then, you know, when you sold it, had to fix up the house to be able to sell it. What's your favorite one? Oh, I don't know if there's a favorite. There's so many. There was a, what are the things I remember the most, there were two broken window stories I will never forget. One is Jesus coming into, Jesus comes into the house with a lacrosse stick and goes to

drive a shot right into the couch, this is just a straight out back. I was right behind the back shot. Didn't break one, broke the window and the store. They were straight through a boom. You want to score? You got to throw it hard. The other one was, and I still can't believe I fell for this hook line in Sinker. I go up into the living room.

I go up into the computer room. And the vacuum is in the computer room. I don't think I know he's done something. And he says to me he says I was eating a bag of chips up there. I know I'm not allowed to eat by the computer. So I clean it up. Go a week later I go to planks open the back of your computer there's glass everywhere. Okay I don't think it went to hell then I it's like a light goes off it glass back here back here over there open the blinds is no window. Good detective work. Tell you how good I'm cleaning. Dramas

Tells you how good I'm cleaning what happened this gets better The travelers comes up and says yeah, I broke the window. So how did you bring the window? You said well, I was I was trying to throw the football over the house like you do. No, it wasn't the football pops. You had just, I'm getting there. Oh, this is what I was, I told you to lie. You told me to add lie and I think, you know, not much I can do because he's trying to mimic what I did because, you know, a few weeks earlier, I'd throw the football over the house.

Remember you guys in the front yard waiting for that bomb to come down? Are you kidding me? Yeah, that's one of our favorite things to do. Yeah. And throw the football over the house. No, you guys are in front of you aren't waiting for that bomb to come down. Are you kidding me? Yeah, that's one of our favorite things to do. Yeah, and uh, throw the football over the house. Okay, I can't get a letter trying to throw the football over the house in a window. Now we fast forward. You guys are both at UC, Jason's last year in common. No, Jason maybe, maybe even being the lead that he's come back to watch Travis his last season And I'm telling this story about Travis sort of the football over the house trying to mimic me and you guys both start laughing at me

And then Travis says no, that was it either Daily and I were trying to hit golf balls over the house of baseball bats And I said a fucking line drive rocket right into the computer This brings up a question that maybe you will it was you who was more honest between Travis and I And that started at a very young age you You would tell the truth no matter what. And you got in trouble for it, but you still tell the truth. Who got through that mark? Travis would sit on the countertop

with the cookie jar open, chocolate chip smeared all over his face, holding a cookie down there and cookies. Who was a better student? Who was, who was, I would say this. Jason was. Jason is a better student who was who was who was I would say this Jason was Jason was a better student Okay, who is more well behaved who is more well behaved? You were but you were See this is this is this is not true though Travis just lied about it. He was the good. He's bad. He just lied

Jason Travis just lied about it. He was the good guy. He's bad. He just lied. Jason did this in his school. Because he would do something wrong and then argue with whoever was complaining at school. That's right. Travis will get caught doing something wrong and he, oh, I'm sorry, miss B. You know, Sid never did that. Look at these puppy dog dog guys I'm all over TikTok don't suspend me Now you got nothing else pops last question what Was more memorable our birth our draft day or our first Super Bowl that we both your birth no Ifans are but it's not even close. I mean it's a sight it's I mean Black going on there

Visually, I mean it's burned into your head It's exciting is that necessarily something that you're looking at. It's something you're experiencing in the brain child. And you know that. You know that right now. Yeah, I'm trying to be funny. I don't know if it's worth it. Pops, you got any final thoughts? Or...

If you have any questions for us, we've been asking you questions the whole time. Do you have any questions for us? No. You don't want to know which parent we love more? No. I forgot to ask mom this. Because I know mom loved you more. Is I got sketchers and you always got the new georgas. No, no, Jason, she got those sketchers for me too.

I just politely asked mom to take those back. Yeah, that's the... Travis was in the fashion at a very young age. Jason didn't give a shit what he had on as long as he could get out of the house I used to what what what number Jersey is that you're out you got on I wonder who he's rooting for no We don't play for the name on the back we play for the name on the back. We play for the name on the front, dad. I like that both parents have your name on the front. You're Jersey on the front.

Hey, there he is. We see it. We see the six L. James wore 60 in college. I wore number 18. What are your thoughts on bread bowls? Is waffle house a diner? No. Oh, I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. What are your thoughts on bread bowls? Oh! Oh! Oh! Is waffle house a diner? Waffle house? No. It's a waffle house. I don't know that I'm sure. No, no it. I am the beholder.

No it. People don't understand. My most vivid memory of you growing up was you sitting in front of the living room whatever night it was that Jeopardy came on it might have been every fucking night I'm not even sure but you would sit there and you would house about I want to say roughly between 15 and 30 buffalo wings and you would have half gallon of blue cheese and you would would do this entire time. Drenston sweat locked in on the TV and just rapid fire, answer, answer, answer, answer, answer.

And you would be sweating bullets. As I was sweating, I was like, why is sweating? And then I grew up and I started eating wings like that. And I started sweating. And I realized it's a Kelsey thing. Are our our our boneless wings chicken wings? No. What are they? They're the process meet the squeeze together in a baddie. Uh-huh.

Jeopardy answer. It's a jeopardy answer. Yeah, you forgot to answer it in the form of a question. That is wrong. Ed Kelsey next. What are ground up chicken leg lizards and guts? They call that Kansas City chicken Spadini. Well, I got one more question for you. Big guy is a Kelsey bowl is one Kelsey bowl enough? Or do we need we need to run the thing back next year? I was talking about do we need to run the thing back next year?

Come on. How fun was this year? We should do this again. I hate to admit it. I hate to admit it But yeah, I thought about that a lot., I hope they can do this again next year. Man, it's been a fun ride, that's for sure. Pops, we love you. You guys have fun today. I love you guys, love you guys. And to everybody out there, we appreciate you guys tuning in. Jason's officially playing next year

to see what we can do this again. I can't wait. That about wraps up the very special Kelsey episode edition with both of our parents of New Heights. Thank you, mom and dad, for both stopping by, dad. Thank you again. Thank you guys for having us. And thank you Good Morning America for featuring this episode of New Heights. How about that? Just fine.

All right. Now we're going to go. We'll be right back this Thursday with a definitive Kelsey Bowl preview episode. Reminder to vote for our fan base name. We'll review the winning vote on that show. Hold on, before we do this, what should we ask him about what fan base name he likes? Not so. No, okay. They're going to put a poll on Twitter.

You can vote on Twitter. No, vote on Twitter, right. Which one do you like now curious? I'm trying to grab her which 92% or there's four options 92%ers who look ins newbies who are your bronies Who again, Who again? Alright. There's Dad's opinion. Watch us on YouTube to the new Hitch channel and listen and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.

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Pops. Love you, Dad. Love you, Dad. Love you.