New Heights with Jason and Travis Kelce - Myles Garrett & AJ Brown Got Traded, Caleb Williams on Da Bears, Best Throws & Shirtless Ben Johnson | EP 194

Episode Date: June 3, 2026

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There was a moment last year that I want to bring up that I thought was just a complete lack of class. I don't know. I don't know who takes their shirt off at a football game. Are we going to get Ben popping his top off more this year? Like, is this a thing that's going to stay? You got to own it. When he started doing it, we just lost our shit. It was a great moment.

It was like, look at him. Everybody's going on. Yeah, I'm juiced in the back. Ben didn't do it early in the year because he had it. He had to lift a little bit more. At some point, at some point, I started seeing him in the waiver right before we go out to practice, getting a couple of squads, getting a couple, you know, lifts and things like that. And then he was working for this moment. Yeah, he was working for this moment, for this moment right here.

Welcome back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls of all ages and all sizes and hopefully of all parts of the world. This is a Wondry show brought to you by Enterprise. That's right. We're your host. I'm Travis Kelsey. My big brother, Jason Kelsey, out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio. Shout out to the Heights. Shout out to those bear cats too. Everybody back in UC, man, we miss you guys.

Subscribe on YouTube wherever you get your podcast. Follow the show on all social media. Addo Heights show with one S for fun clips throughout the week. And Jason's going to tell us what we have. That's right. 90% is we got another great episode, as we do always. We're going to recap a wild bunch of NFL trades that happened just a day ago in the new league year starting. And we also are going to hear about Chiefs OTAs.

Oh, and Caleb Williams is here. That's right. Yee-hoo. Before that, obviously, we're going to get to some of that. New news. New news is brought to you by American Express. Actually, we're going to get into it right now because this is part of the new news. I don't know if you saw this, Travis, but biggest surprise of potentially the NFL season,

AJ Brown was traded. Potentially until the other trade happened the same day. I would say this was kind of documented. It was going to happen. Everybody had their eyes on it since the draft, really. It sounded like you even knew because you said if the Eagles take a wide receiver in the draft, that means. Tells you a lot. Yeah.

Yeah, I did not know for certain, but I think I knew just as well as anybody else that has any type of intuition. It's been following football at all or the Philadelphia Eagles. you can always tell the way organizations are answering questions, you know, about like, oh, are you guys interested in trading them? Well, you know, we're listening to offers and, you know, we still value the guy. But if there's something there, we might be willing. It's like, okay, so they're shopping them and something's going to happen. Now, I think at the end of the day, it was not surprised.

I think AJ very clearly made it known that, you know, he's been frustrated in the last few years. And from everything coming out, it sounds like he wanted and was excited to move on. It's tough. And I think it was in everybody's best interest. I mean, at this point, it certainly felt like it was enough of a distraction and had been that way where I think everybody was just kind of done trying to make it work out. And I think, I mean, it's a hell of a situation going to. Oh, he's going to be just fine.

In New England, man. Got Drake May throwing him the football, got a great offensive coordinator. Yeah. Obviously a great head coach. They just got back from playing in the Super Bowl, man. That New England team was already really good, and now they just got, you know, arguably one of the best receivers in the league. Here's the reality. A.J. Brown was not the reason the Eagles' offense was not successful this year.

He's a very good football player. I don't want to hear all this. Has he lost his step? We're going to find out this year. I think he's going to have a really good year. How does a relationship like this start to falter? It's because you don't have success in the field. You stop executing as a team.

You stop executing his players. The Eagles' offense had continued to decline. as a passing game. The run game stalled out last year with injuries and other things happening. So, you know, execution fuels emotion. When you're not performing, this is the reality of the league. This is the reality of how it goes. Do I wish AJ would have handled it better at times? Yes. But I don't fault him for being frustrated that he wasn't getting what he wanted out of the game and out of playing for the Philadelphia Eagles. Yeah, obviously it's not just him. He's not doing it. He's not doing it. They're changing completely what they do. The offense had grown stale.

It was at one point, very season. A. Zane Zayling didn't have an issue in 2022 when there was the most explosive offense in the NFL. When they go out in the Super Bowl against you guys, even though we lost, they put up tons of numbers, right? Yeah. It only happens once teams start to get a beat. We didn't adjust well.

Whatever it is. I don't know whether it was combined with schematics, injuries to the O line, not running the quarterback. There's all these litany of things that could have caused the Eagles offense to decline over the last three years. That's why this has happened. So now they get to try and reinvent themselves into the explosive offense. They can be with Sean May.

This is a big year for Jalen. It's a big year for the Eagles offense. They just lost one of their best players. They drafted a young kid in McKay-Lennon, who seems like he's the real deal and fits the offense very well. They still have Devante Smith, Seguan Barkley, Dallas Goddard, a great offensive line as long as they're healthy, and Jalen hurts. They have plenty of guys to work with still.

How can they adjust with this new offense? That is the big thing I'm looking forward to. how can Sean Mannion be as a play caller? How can Jalen adjust to being under center, throwing over the middle, all these progressions? There's question marks, but it's also optimism, right? There's hope. We're not just running it back and doing the same thing

that we've tried to get right and tried to manufacture over the last three seasons. That has clearly not been working. And you saw it on the face of A.J. Brown and on Jalen and on other guys because it wasn't manifesting itself. Now we get to see what it looks like with a fresh start offensively. So I'm looking forward to what the Eagles look like. I'm looking forward to seeing what AJ does in New England.

I am. As a fan of football, I can't wait to see what Drake May and he do up in New England with Josh McDaniels. All right now. And we get a little joint practice. Ooh, a little joint practice. That's right. Patriots and Eagles joint practice.

How about it? A lot of storylines. I don't know, never been a part of one of those. I don't know what that is. It is sad to see that there's only one Batman left. only one Batman left in Philly and that's Skinny Batman and I will say Skinny Batman fits this system very well I think skinny Batman fits just about every system

I was going to say when you are the system Hey that's one of my favorite Jaylon Hertz quotes right there All right well that's my overall take is just This is what happens when things kind of decline Listen I was here in Philadelphia when they got rid of Andy Reid I hated when they made that decision because I love Andy, but in hindsight, it was probably best for everybody. Andy got to go start fresh.

Certainly has worked out for him in Kansas City. I bet he doesn't regret any of that. It just gets to a point where sometimes this is kind of the nature of it. And, yeah, go birds. Well, there's another trade that I think kind of came out of the blue more than this, AJ or brown one to the Patriots. and that is, yeah, kind of, yeah, either way. Browns traded a reigning defensive player of the year, Miles Garrett. That's right.

They traded the best defensive player in the league to the Rams. Now, they didn't just trade them for anything. They traded them for Jared Verse, who is a fucking ball player, and a 2027 first round pick and a 29 second round pick, as well as a 2029 third round pick. Yes. They gave up quite a bit for the best defensive player in the league. Do you think this was even?

Do I think it's even? No, I think Cleveland nets out in the better. But the caveat is I think the Rams, it's worth it on their end because they're in this win-now mode. They get the best defensive player in the lead to come in. What's it best for the future giving up all these picks and with the money that they're going to have on the salary cap? I don't know, but it is if you go win a Super Bowl.

And that's, they drafted a quarterback early this year. This is by all accounts, Matthew Stafford, the reigning MVP, not just defensive MVP, MVP of the league is still on the team. You don't know how much longer you have. This window is closing. That's why I really like the move for both teams. I like it for the Rams because they're like, listen, we're shelling out. We're not holding back.

That's how they won the first Super Bowl. They went out and got all these monsters on the defense and on offense. and they decided to, and it hurt them from a salary standpoint in future years, and they had to take a step back, but they're doing something similar here. They're going to go out and get Miles Garrett. He's going to add a ton to the defense, as he does to any defense. It's going to be interesting to see him in a new uniform, seeing how, you know, a nice, fresh start with a team and an organization

has had more recent success than the Browns. I mean, you got the MVP on offense and the defensive player of the year on defense. man, it sounds like kind of the makeup that they had when they won their last one. I mean, they were right there last year. And listen, Jared versus a great player. Do make no mistake about it. This guy is very good. That son of a buck can play some fucking ball now.

And I'm talking about all four quarters, every fucking down, he's playing some fucking ball now. So we just talked about L.A. and why I think it makes sense for them. This is why it makes sense for Cleveland. Cleveland's getting one of the best young edge rushers in the league still. Jared versus a great player. Now, he doesn't get the same amount of sacks, but he definitely develops pressures. This guy can, it might be the best bull rushing defensive end in the league.

I saw him take 6'9, 365 Jordan Milata and put him on his back. Do you know how hard that is? And Jordan Malad, I even tell Jordan, you, bro, invite the bull rush. You're a monster. You're huge. Nobody's going to be able to run your. Well, this guy did it. Seriously, if Jared Veres can do, he's already, he got seven and a half sacks this last year,

if he can develop one finesse move off of that bull rush, he will be easily double-digit sacks every year. That's how good this kid is. And on top of, they get a first round, second round, and a third round pick in future years. So I think Cleveland, great move for them. I think great move for L.A. I can't wait to watch the Rams.

They were right there last year. And Miles Garrett, I mean, Jesus. There's a bunch of people talking, too. What if AED comes out of retirement? What if it's Miles Garrett? and AD on the same team, on the same field. They can't do that, right? That'd be cheating.

They can't do that, right? Roger would have to step in. If I was still playing a line in the league, I would start a petition. This is no. This isn't, this isn't allowed. What are we doing here? I'm trying to go fund me. This isn't allowed.

I don't know we're raising money for, but we're going to put a halt to this. I mean, those two players on the same team, those are easily the most physically gifted guys I play it against. And the rest of the D line aren't a bunch of. of slouches. Like they got some fucking ball players. We got Fisk. You have inside. You have Kobe Turner who's a really good player inside.

But there's another edge player that's that they do more of the games with Young. Byron Young. Byron Young. Byron Young. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. The benefit of having a guy like Miles Garrett is it's going to make every team that plays you alter everything they're doing to

stop that one player. And that is a major advantage of your defensive coordinator. I know Shula, the D.C. is freaking licking his chops right now, knowing what he has and how he's going to be able to get after the quarterback with this guy on the team. So, yeah. Yeah, I'm excited to watch all this. Oh, they also, Rams also got Trent McDuffie this offseason and Jalen Watson.

Yeah, they got both of our, both of our secondary, or both of our starting corners. What's crazy about this is that the Rams since trading for Matthew Stafford have actually had two first round picks since 2016, just two first round picks. Wow. And that was, one was Jared Verst, who they just traded, and the other is the kid they took this year, Ty Simpson. Well, I mean, this has been Kronkies' model and what these guys have done. Like, they believe in getting proven talent, and they shell out for it.

And to be honest, I like it. Like, it's, don't give me wrong. I like first round picks, too. First round picks are awesome. I love the excitement of having a, like, a young, really good player. Yeah. But I mean, I also love getting really good players that you know are going to be great in the league because they have proof of it. Yeah.

They have been not shy of shelling out to win championships. And that's something I really admire about what the Rams do and how aggressive they are in offseason acquisitions and everything that they do. So this is also not the only last bit of new news for offseason moves. Travis, you know, Nick Herbig. Are you familiar with the name? Nick Herbig. Nick Herbig, no, it doesn't ring your bell. He's now the highest paid NFL player who isn't a starter ever in the history of the NFL.

So the main reason I know Nick is because I played with his brother, Nate, and I did a workout with Nick one offseason when he was still in college at Wisconsin. This kid's like a fucking goddamn badger. And I got to give him a shout out because every time he goes on the field. This is legit? Who is this guy? He is a backup outside linebacker for the Steelers. He started some games and guys have gotten hurt,

but he just flashes and makes plays. I'm telling you, he's a stud. He's a disruptor. I know exactly who you're talking about. In my mind, in my mind, he's, I mean, he's exactly that. He's a badger. He's like, fucking just, he's everywhere. And he's smart player, got the fucking motor.

I love the way he plays, man. And I know I'm biased because I know him. I played with his brother. White linebacker, yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, you're a whitebacker. He's a Hawaiian, though, so he doesn't come off white. He doesn't come off weight. He doesn't come off.

Really? He's Hawaii? Dude, him and his brother grew up, I believe, is either the big island or Kauai. They grew up on one of the islands. There you go. But he's what? He's a white, he's a white, he's a white Hawaiian. He, I think Herbie said his dad's a redneck, what's his exact words.

Nate's, he's like, he's, he's, my dad's a redneck, man. They're both good players. Congrats to the big dog of making a fucking hunter mill. Hell yeah. We have all the offensive coordinator news, right? The Eagles got some news coming out with Sean Mannion, but more importantly for Trav, Biennamy is back with the chiefs.

How we feel it? How we feel in, Trayv back in the building. You know, there's just sometimes a guy comes around and you just know it, you're done fucking around. I think Coach Reed is one of those guys, but even to another degree, the accountability that Eric Beenemy holds is second and none, man. Just his coaching style.

how we how we how we practice how we preach is how to practice to for it to translate into the games it's something i think we've we've kind of got we've we've missed and um and you know it's not saying that anybody else was not good we still went out we won another super bowl and all that we we definitely still had the pieces but at the same time be enemy has this ability to kind of tweak the culture in the right direction i think this is going to be This is going to really help us out this year. You're not the only one that thinks that. Patrick Mahomes and Trey Smith say players unfamiliar with Eric B.

enemy haven't seen the real E.B. Yeah. That's right. No, they haven't. They've gotten a glimpse. They've gotten a glimpse. But bullets really don't start flying until you fucking pop that ball out and fucking until you roll the balls out in training camp and really dial this thing in

and find our 53-man roster. Yeah, Trace Smith quoted as saying, get it together or he'll get you to together. I love for, I fucking love it, man. Doggone, it's good to have my guy back in the building, man. Fuck. I can't wait till he motherfucks me, man. I'm like, Ibi, it's me, your boy. Come on, baby, it's me. We're in this together. Yeah. My name's Travis, not motherfucker. Bad also said that first meeting had me ready to run through a brick wall. It had me ready to go. And that's the thing, man. When you have a guy like,

E.B. in the building, man, it's just, you know, every single meeting, you got a little bit more, you know, alertness because if he calls on you, which he will call on you, you know, you better be ready or have something to say, man. So it's, it's awesome, man. And I've talked to him briefly on a number of occasions. And he knows how much I'm really, I'm ready to run through a wall for him this year. And I think everybody's starting to really feel that in the building. I do love OTAs for that. Like, I feel like OTAs. there's like a especially when you've made all these offseason adjustments it's the first time you get around each other to see how it's all coming together and obviously these guys are

excited to have eB back and all that but i mean every team's excited this time of the year every team feels like they just made a bunch of moves that's going to help them get there jordan malada had a great quote about sean mann yesterday uh he said if i was going to make the list of the top three smartest people in the philadelphia's organization they'd all be Sean Manion. Oh, hey. Nice. I always take a little bit of OTAs with a grain of salt because obviously everybody's excited.

We'll really see how it goes. But it is fun when you're back there and you're doing things and you're doing new stuff that you really feel confident about. It's a fun time to be a football player in the NFL. You're seeing new draft picks and guys to finally step on the field with veteran players for the first time. OTAs are always full of a lot of juicy. and energy.

Hell yeah, baby. We also have a New Heights, uh, Ola Kai collab. Travis, are you aware of this? What? Listen,

I got the Ola Kai box. I got it right here, but I did not know he was a new heights collab. Ooh, these are specific sandals. Everybody knows I'm a sandals, flip-flops guy. They set us up with some exclusive new heights flip-flops,

which we're unboxing for the first time. What do you got? Dude, these are their official new heights. line. They got stitching like their football. Stitching like it's a ball. Look at the grips on these fucking things. Holy shit. Ola Kai does not skip, man. They do it right. This is premium leather right here. This is nice.

Stitching, new heights equipment right there. If you want sandals, you want the best sandals in the game. Oh, God. I've tried a lot of flip-flops out. I've been down the rabbit hole. Down that rabbit hole. Ola Kai American company out there on the Hawaiian Islands they do a fantastic job and I think they nailed it with this design football fans will be happy they got the stitching like it's a football they got the freaking football and the heel and if you're a fan of New Heights sales we got new heights written on it so that's cool.

I know this is sweet these are awesome man as always they got the Ola Kai quality which is my favorite part the qualities is so fucking good man this thing this thing right here this is why I always hated the thong sandals is because heavy guys they rip them out they just fucking snap this these things aren't fucking going anywhere you can tell that thing is in there and the other thing most thong sandals are flat what i like about these is that it's contoured for your actual foot so it feels good on your arch it actually has some structure on the bottom so the doubt one of the downsides of wearing flip flops a lot of time is that you don't have any support at all for your feet.

You're walking on like shitty foam. But here you're walking on something that's really been thoughtful in how they design it and support your foot even though there's nothing else around it. Oh, show them your signatures. Show them your signatures on the side of the shoe.

That's pretty cool. If you look at the inside of the shoe, show them that. That's fun. Oh, shit. Yeah, you sign these bad boys. Think of that. Look at that.

There. Nice gold. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Nice. Got T. Kelsey 87 on this side. They also, every little box comes with one of these bad boys. This is going right on the fridge.

Look at that man. Wait, let me say. Yeah, you got a little Jason in there. That's that game day outfit by Jason Kelsey right there. Jason, you're getting a spot on the shelf. They also are dressier. They're dressier. So if you want to wear them with a pair of pants,

like it's good, they're still going to look good. You're going to a red car from here. You got him. I got a free coozy. I actually wore, when I was nominated for the Walter Payton Man of the year, I had old guy's sandals on the field in my full suit. You would have thought this guy grew up on the island. Jesus.

I mean, I wish. Hawaii is so awesome. Gosh, I want to go back. You can get these at kelsey clubhouse.com. I believe they are available now, I would presume. Otherwise, they probably wouldn't have us talking about them on the show. Available now. you will not regret it.

This is the best sandal flip-flop I've put on. I've tried a bunch of different brands. Oh, yeah. And with summer coming around, come on now, baby, get those toes out in the sun. And obviously, if you're a New Heights fan, you're going to want the co-lab. But if you're not into the co-lab, they still have great products at Olokai. You'll like, they have something for you, I guarantee it. Quick amount is before we get to the rest of the show, tickets are almost gone.

Oh, they're almost gone. For our live show at the Orphium on June 15th. Can't tell you who the guests are yet. I mean, I mean, listen, the one we got could sell the stadium out by himself. It is very true. That is very true.

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Very excited about Beer Bowl and all the festivities that week. We're going to have a 300, I think I can announce it. We're going to have a 250-gallon fish tank that holds beer at not a beer bowl, but at the event before on Wednesday. Yeah. And if all the beer gets drank, $100,000 going to the charity. That's right. Oh, our book, No Dump Questions, is also available now.

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It's also fun rereading some of the dumbass shit we've said. Question from a 92% or no via the Heights hotline. What's up, fellas? I'm a lion's fan, but I love the show. I'm 18, so I'm not a parent. But I was going to ask what advice you would give to a parent that wants to teach their kid how to be better at golf. I'm just, I'm really, I'm really bad at golf.

guys and I know I need help. I need you to help. So please help me. All right. What did we say? Did you say I'm 18 so I'm not a parent? What the fuck does that mean? This is hilarious reading. Such a weird way to ask us to help him with his golf game. Hey, I'm no, I'm 18. So I'm not a parent. And I'm like, oh, what the fuck? Where are we going with this? Man, the more that I look at every page because I'm not reading, the more I'm, I'm just like I am saying the most minimal things in your paragraphs. You just have these rants. No, dude.

You got the biggest part of this golf one. I said my number one thing. This is the best, Travis. I can't read. You got to have a good relationship with the person squirting, Travis Kelsey. Squirt squad. Squirt squad. Squared squad.

That's going to do well. And finally, no new episode next week. Just taking a quick buy week before our live show in Los Angeles. Just want to make sure we, you know, doubt our eyes and cross our teas and make sure that that show is the best thing ever. So we'll miss you guys for a week, but we'll be right back at it after that. And that's it for new news, brought you by American Express. Thank you to our presenting sponsor, Enterprise. Enterprise is on corners across the country.

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Brought to you by Home Depot, Jason, another golf tournament. That's right. That's right. Nice. Third foundation, be-filly underdog golf outing. It was awesome, man. It's, we've, second year we've done it now, Rolling Green. Rolling Green have been great hosts.

Oh, yeah. And very kind of us to let us use. their facilities and beautiful golf course to throw this thing. I mean, we had a lot of fun this year. You know, obviously, a ton of people bought foursums to support B-Filly. Got some great sponsorship. Toyota was a presenting sponsor. Shout out to them for really shelling out and making this thing really raise a lot of money

for some charities and some families in the Philadelphia area and some kids. It was a lot of fun. I mean, you put a bunch of fun people on a golf course. you're going to have some fun. Not right now. When you pair that up with Chris Lilly and award-winning barbecue guy, my guy Chris making that thing. So he's the Big Bob Gibson's down in Decatur, Alabama, home of the Alabama white sauce.

He came up and was making some chicken wings on Whole 3, the par 3. Oh, man. He made some brisket and some ribs the entire day smoking those things. Man, sometimes the grease from those wings can get on the hands, though. So you got to have the wet-wise. In hindsight, it wasn't the best for a part-3. I definitely made sure to hit my T-shot first. So I cannot blame that for my errant par-three shot.

But no, Chris Lilly came down on behalf of Kingsford. So we had a lot of support as well as we had an Elvis impersonator rolling around. What? The King was there. The King was there. We had a mariachi band that played on one of the par-threes, as well as hung around, playing after the day. So, dude, we, we had a complete blast. Our foundation and our entire team, it was a whole hands-on event to pull this off.

So it was, it was awesome, man. I fucking love it. Well, did I hear the Philly Santa get hit, get hit with a golf hole? I mean, he was acting it up a bit, but we, so we have a hole. We have a heckling hole. That's one thing we've done the last three years. one of the reasons I wanted that. I wanted everybody at the event to feel what it feels like to be a Philadelphia athlete. Right.

To feel how passionate somebody can be talking crap to you while you're trying to do a job. So we put hecklers on one of the holes. Our third year doing it. And my guys did not disappoint some of the best Philadelphia Eagles fans and really Philadelphia sports fans around. My guy Dunphy, you notice them.

Oh, yeah. With the big old. You notice them. The big old fanatic around the belly button, you know, Maniac Malloy. I mean, I can't list all these guys because, I mean, it'd be too much. But they come out every year in support. So shout out to all those guys.

And Santa, who's also one of the biggest fundraisers for Eagles Autism Foundation this year. So Santa's been doing some giving. But yeah, he had a, we had some exploding golf balls and he made look like it hit him in the eye. Oh, we got a video. Oh, the exploding golf ball. Oh, no, Santa. So if you keep playing that, I was on the whole. over and I saw Santa go down so I administered CPR.

You save Santa. I think I actually almost broke his ribs. I mean, if you're doing it right. No, we had a blast, man. We had some outstanding celebrities there. We had, you know, Coach Wright. We had Phillies there. We had some flyers there.

We had former Eagles, teammates of mine. I mean, it was an awesome, awesome day. We raised a lot of money. Shout out to everybody that participated. Thanks for coming. Got the swag bag bucket. The swag bag bucket. Yep, that's right.

Swag bag bucket. We had some, some takeaways. Little Tom Coyt recently wrote a book. Some Hank sauce. Hank sauce, hot sauce. That's right. That's right.

Some golf balls. Yeah, I mean, some standard things. What about this beer cart, dude? Oh, so we garage beer had a bunch of these made. I got one in the garage. Dude, do you have one of these at the house? I do. Dude, it's fucking awesome.

We need to get you one. As a fellow employee of garage beer, we need to get you on. Dude, this is so fucking epic. Dude, they're fucking awesome. They're fast as shit, too. Well, I don't want it to be going too fast. How fast is this thing going? I mean, not like, they're getting out to 15, probably 12, 15 miles an hour.

You're probably somewhere between 20 and 25. Oh, shit. You better put on a helmet, boys. That's right. We're going to be drinking within that cooler. I want to do a, I want to take it down to the beach and ride around, but I'm nervous. I'm going to get a ticket riding around a cool. A cooler with freaking

electric motors on it, but it's a lot of fun. As long as you're not drinking the beers, I think it'll be all right. I mean, how much is the ticket? Yeah. You can pay those things, right? Yeah.

Your license is suspended, Jason. Okay, perfect. I'm going to need that back. All right. That's quite the idea of views. It looked like a fucking awesome time. It was great. Kai was killing the ball.

Kai's team came in second. Really? I think, I think having a woman is kind of cheating. Because you get a, you get a T shot up there. Jason. Jason for a scramble no no it's no don't do that I mean Kai when she hits it well it's going like over 200 yards I can

believe it off in the red I believe it I believe it you're right you might need to make a rule next year that kind it doesn't get to go from the red T's we also had a woman on our team and she was doing some great T shots it did we also struggle but anyway time. I love it, man. Shout out to Befilly. Everybody that participated, man, it looks absolutely electric and

can't wait for next year, man. I got to find my way to get up there and get a piece of this action. All right, now that does it for Out of the House. Brought to you by Home Depot. Home Depot has everything you need, right? Yeah, they do. All righty, we're going to get to our interview

with Caleb Williams. You're going to want to check this one out. This conversation is brought to you by Mentos Gums. So say yes to fresh. Oh, I always. say yes, the fresh. Let's see what Caleb has to talk about. Alrighty, our guest today is the 6.1 quarterback from the University of Southern California. You see? He's the 20-22 Heisman winner, the number one draft big of the 2024 NFL

draft, back-to-back winner of GQ's most stylish football player. I didn't know that. Way to go. Okay. Okay. Last year, he also broke the record for most passing yards in a single season for the Bears. Ninety-new percenters. Please welcome Caleb Williams. Yes, sir. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Welcome to New Heights, big dog. Dude, GQ's most stylish football player, that's a heck of an award right there. Ever since you retired, I've, you know, I've stuck them for you. There we go. There we go. Let's go. Let's go. Do you have a stylist? No, all me, man. I enjoy it. I enjoy it. Yeah. I enjoy the fashion part of it throughout the, you know,

towards the end of the week when the plays start dying down, as you all know. Gameplay. Oh, yeah. Are you like a creative? You'll throw it together last minute? Yeah, I throw it together probably a day before we have to leave, day before. Smart, man. Yeah.

There have been times where I'm just sitting there. I know the bus is about to leave it. About to leave it. What do I need? Just start grabbing shit that you don't even know what fits. Fuck. Yeah. I'm a day before.

I'm a day before kind of guy. And then I pack my bag and bring it to the facility so I can't go back. Yeah, exactly. There you go. Well, we're in the offseason, brother. I know you're probably back in Chicago in the beautiful spring, summer of Chicago, man, the Midwest, maybe doesn't get any better. Doesn't get any better. How's everything going?

How's the team looking? How's the vibes in the facility? Yeah, they're high. We're excited. It's a lot better coming back and you know the plays and you've got an idea of the plays rather than obviously having the coach that we have and, you know, how tough he is. And then how much he expects. especially the first year, you know, going in a training camp. You expected us to know it like we've been in the offense for two, three years already.

So it's nice. It's nice being back. It's nice being with the boys. Couldn't wish and hope for any better weather than we've been having. So I'm excited. Yeah, I'm excited. Side town right now is booming. You just said second season with Ben Johnson.

And to me, watching it, it just looks complicated. Oh, yeah. Is there a major advantage to now having all that under your, you know, in your repertoire for a full year and kind of not starting from, you know, nothing. Yeah. No, no, no. There definitely is. I mean, like him and I, like, we meet every day.

We, you know, we go up and I'm meeting his office and we hang out and laugh, joke. We talk about ball and things like that. But being able to get the call, like, right, as of right now, like, we're not, we're not really installing, like, full plays and things like that. We're more route details and the simple basic. Yeah. The basic things that obviously help you win. So the small things.

And so, but we're still doing like perfect plays. We got the perfect play thing going on right now. And, um, we're going out there. We're calling plays and, and we're getting in and out of a huddle.

We're lining up. We're getting to the ball fast. We're, you know, going through checks and all these different things. And, you know, last year at this time,

we could barely spit out a call. Yeah. Right. And so, and so now it's, it's, uh, it's been a lot more fun for me,

per se, uh, to be able to be in this position. And then, and then also I get to, being a role that I haven't necessarily been in my first two years. You know, new coaches, both years, new offenses, the comfort level, but also being able to go out there and play and win ball games where it was important.

And so I've been able to step into a little different role. It's been exciting for me. That's awesome, man. You fucking took it over, man. That shit was so fun to watch last year. I know exactly what you're talking about in terms of just getting a new playbook kind of thrown at you in a different way. though, because my entire career, I've been with Coach Reed and the playbook and the terminology's

been there. But I had one Pro Bowl where I had to learn another offense in a week. And when I tell you, I was out there fucking running, like a lot of people think I just run routes just like not what's called. I literally was out there doing my own fucking thing. Mac Jones is out there trying to fucking throw daggers to me and I'm running go routes. Gritty him down the film, Mac Jones. So funny, man, but that shit's fucking, that shit's tough, man. It's tough. The terminology is crazy and especially when you're young, man, I can only imagine.

But you fucking perfected it, dog. Yeah, no, appreciate that. We got a lot more coming, and I'm excited about it. But it's coming together. The guys are moving, you know, and, you know, outside, at least. You know, wide receivers tight ends and running backs, they're flying around. Well, Joe Tunis not flying around? Do I got any need to get on Joe?

Joe's always flying around. Always fine. Ohio ball player. More serious, now you guys had so much success in year one with Ben. What is the focus now for year two, right? Like, what is the offense? What are the things you guys feel like you need to get better at to take that next step?

It's something, you know, you're so frustrated. And at this process now, you're obviously going back and, you know, watching the tape and, you know, you get clips that pop up, whether it's a miss, you know, a miss pass, a, you know, drop pass. to drop pass or, you know, the run, like we're not hitting the run how we want to. And I think that falls under the first year, like impression, the first year, like in the offense, the first year, you know, first year of it. And, you know, you go back and you're watching, it's like, why did I do that? It was so stupid.

Right. Like, how did I miss this pass? It was, it was, or how did I not see this? Or, you know, same thing for why receiver's running backs and everybody else. First year in the offense, it's, it's more frustration. and then you realize like it's our first year. Obviously, you know, that year's over and, you know, we did a solid job, but there's so much more left on the plate and you're so excited about that part of it

and that process coming back and figuring it all out. So I think that's the process that we're in now and, you know, being able to go back and be frustrated about it, but not too frustrated, obviously, because it's in the past, we can't do anything, but, you know, being able to try and change and be different from the year before and be better. I thought your transformation in particular, and especially end of the game. I mean, some of the most,

well, you've always done that your whole career is make these insane plays down the field. But, you know, in Philly this year, they're going to talk about Jalen being more under center and like how that offense and the motions and everything is going to change. For you, what was that process like and how long did it take you to feel natural

doing this new system? Yeah, I mean, you obviously get to a comfort level throughout camp and then you get into the game and it's like, fuck, okay? This is a little different. You got obviously different, He's flying around, different checks, different alerts, different hand signals and all these different things that apply for just that week. And so being in this offense and a bunch of motions, a bunch of shifts.

We shifts in motion, I mean, every play. Yeah, for sure. Like every play. It's, yeah, you have to. It's a positive for us. And so I've been able to obtain all of that and get into all of that. I would say, honestly, it probably took that Vikings game or that after the second game to kind of get in the same page with Ben. And then from there, you know, the confidence of myself started grown.

And then I think that's where it started taking off. And people started seeing some of the things that, you know, I can do and we can do. Absolutely. Well, fun as hell to watch. I know that I can't wait to watch you or two. I'm juiced to get back. The play that's in my head right now is that I think it was a fourth down play in the playoffs and you were rolling left. And somehow you fucking got your upper body to square up and your legs are still your hip.

Everything else is like pointed towards the sidelines. It's so fucking fun to watch. Did you play like baseball growing up? Or what, like, did you play other sports? It was always football. Yeah. So my second sport is swimming. It's my second sport.

Okay. Would not have picked that. Would not have put you for a swimmer. Okay. All right. Yep. Yep. How does that help you throw?

So all the power and rotation and things like that from the legs, you obviously build a bunch of strength through the legs, but also just the rotation and the strength from upper body also. You got the double joints and shoulders? and shit or what? Not fully double-girno, but I got, my shoulders,

I got a lot of, a lot of room. Were you freestyle? Time on it. Were you freestyle breaststroke? What were you? Backstroke, freestyle.

I am in relay. Oh my gosh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Doing all of it. I was doing all of it. I was doing all of it. But then I played other sports soccer, hand eye and things like that,

been able to move. And what else have I played? Swam, soccer, a little bit of basketball. That was when I was younger. I'm not, I'm not as good now. as we saw a couple other sports, but no, never played baseball.

And I don't know how I got all the funky throws. I think it's from swimming, just being able to have the strength in the shoulder. But, yeah, no baseball. Just playing backyard ball, baby. Yeah, backyard ball, jackpot and running away from, you know, all my friends that were older than me. I know it far too well. You develop a lot of skills doing that. Absolutely.

I saw you not too long ago out in L.A., but I really wanted to talk to you about the tight-in room that you got, man. It's one of my favorites in the entire NFL. You got two absolute dogs. I got a third one now. The third one now? Yeah, yeah. There's more.

There's more. I know Ben Johnson's having a blast with this shit. There's always more. There's always more. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got a new guy, new rookie guy. He's built like the other guys also. Tall.

He's smooth. He's a freak of nature. Run block, pass, pass block. catch all of that. Whatever you need. Yeah, whatever we need. And we got three of those now. So we're juiced.

I'm juiced. It's always an advantage when you can have one tight in. But when you have three that can do all, you know, it's a big advantage and up to us. So I'm excited. I know we're, you know, over here in the bear side of town. We're really excited. So it's going to be fun. Fuck yeah.

Oh, yeah. Man, alive, though. There's nothing better than getting out there in a little 13 personnel. Nothing better. And then you shift out. Yeah. We spread it. Now, let's spread this out.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It does feel like most of the really, I'm trying to think dynamic offenses, utilize tight ends. Tom, Payton, obviously, you know, he's still going, but Trev and and Pat and, you know, all these other guys that have come up, Joe and, you know, all these other guys. So, you know, I think, I think we got some good going over here. I got three of them, like I said. So I got, I'm very lucky. Well, what do you think, from your perspective as a quarterback, what do you like about having the tight ends that you have? Like, what do they present in terms of challenges for the defense?

And what do they give advantages for you guys? Yeah, yeah. I mean, advantage-wise, I mean, we can drop back and put those guys in protection. Yes. We can also go 13 personnel and then shift out. You know, they get in their big, heavy personnel defense. And guys that don't cover as well, guys that aren't, you know, cover guys or whatever. case may be and, you know, we, we pop out and shift out and we got guys that can run and run well

and, you know, obviously catch well. So, that's a, that's a, that's a big up for us, big advantage for us. And we end up doing that in a big moment last year in the playoff. So, um, a bunch of big moments. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, you know, obviously Colston popped up a few times in those cold pops up. Um, and big moments, you know, I mean, Vikings game, I think the first time Vikings game hit them for a 25-yard pass down the right seam. And, And obviously made a great catch for me. Yeah, big, big, big catch. So, you know, we got, we got some guys.

And, you know, I think, I think obviously having been, you know, at the helm is, you know, he's going to cook up this year with, with having those guys. Yeah, you were just saying you meet with them all the time. No, we meet. We meet every day. Are you drawing up trick plays yet? When are the Caleb? Yeah.

We talk about plays every day. We talk about plays and how we can, you know, make the plays better, how we can read them better. we're always trying to find more explosives. I know probably Andy does the same thing, trying to always find more explosives. Like even in the base plays, like how can we fix maybe one route that changes the whole thing? But it becomes maybe a base play for us,

but it's super explosive, super efficient. And that's always what Ben is looking for. Yeah. Always looking for the little things that you can make a play feel more new and be just a little bit more that a team, you know, is unfamiliar with, man. Every single off season, I'll go up and say, what's up to Coach Reed and his office? And he's just got index cards.

Just stacks and stacks of index cards, man. Yeah, I walk into Ben's office sometimes. And it's just his board and his desk is just filled with paper. His board is filled with different drawings and things like that. It's madness, man. Madness, madness. We just got the schedule a couple weeks ago. Eagles Week 3.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Monday night, football, baby. Monday night. We got a bunch of prime time. time. Against the Lions. I'll be sharing that day with you as well.

And Christmas Day, baby. Are you Christmas Day or Christmas Eve? I fucking love it, man. We're going to be practicing either day. We're going to be working every day. I'd rather be playing the actual game. Okay, okay, okay, yeah, yeah, same here. Yeah, man, we got a bunch of prom-time games.

And, you know, so-called the hardest schedule. We had the second hardest last year. So we're excited. We don't back down from no challenge. Hell yeah, man. That's how you got to be. We want everybody to know that going to the playoffs and things like that is in our future and, you know, in our present future and future coming up.

And it's going to be a consistent thing for us. But obviously we got to do the right things to put ourselves in those positions. And so it starts now. And then it finishes in February. So, you know, we're excited about all our. opportunities coming up. And as Dion says, it's prime, baby. It's prime, shout out to prime time. That NFC North, man, is going to be a lot of prime time. It is loaded.

It is loaded. That comes with having one of the toughest schedules is that we've got, what, six games right there. Yeah. Yep. Yep. So I think it's going to be really fun, honestly, being able to bring that type of energy, prime, you know, prime time games to Chicago or wherever we're going to be. I think it's, you know, that, that energy is going to be really infectious, and we got to make sure we use it the right way. All right. Well, can we walk through some of your plays from this past year? We got at least one clip, although we just deleted it, so I don't know if we, do we have time, Brandon? I'm assuming we have time. All right. We're going to go through some of the most insane throws from last season.

My throws are just overall. No, no, no, this is all you, baby. Well, they happen to be your throws. I think they are overall. Some of the best. This is the game. Game time. DJ. Top, baby. Game time. Oh, we got just a compilation of them.

Just chuck it up. Oh. No. Just chuck it up. Hold on, though. What's the corner doing here? How, how, what's, do you sit back and you look at sometimes the reaction? I actually saw who was on Cole.

I got, when I flipped around, I created enough space to where when I flipped around, I saw probably 10 people to the right. And I saw just Cole and 14 to the left. And 14 is a. as a smaller guy, and obviously Cole is 6-5-2-60. One of the biggest dudes on the fucking field. Yeah, 260. And they were near the front end zone.

So my whole thing was just try and put this ball in the back end zone. And it's our best shot to try and, you know, make a play and make it easy on him. So end up being able to create enough space, get enough leg power into it and, you know, just put the ball up in the back of the end zone like Cole do the rest. It's history. I have no idea how you got enough on that one. Retreating like that, that was crazy. In the cold, man. Are you kidding me, Doc?

Have you ever felt Soldier Field that electric said you've been playing there? That place went nuts. Not even this play. The national anthem was the most electric national anthem I've ever been a part of. It was like the whole city came together. It was insane. I fucking love it, man. This is personally my favorite throw of yours from last season.

This one was outrageous. The NJ play that everybody talks about on my legs or Eric Jordan or whatever it was. Like drops it in the fucking bucket. Dropping a dime rolling to the left. That was dope. Yeah, it was pretty fine. What's the next one? A little Cleveland action.

We had to put a Browns highlight in you. A little Cleveland action. We can watch those all fucking day, man. I'm sure we'll get a handful of those this year as well, man. Oh, yeah. Thank you to our sponsor, Mentos Gum. But more in a routine you are, the easier it is to get stuck on repeat. Same commute, same coffee order.

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You came into the 2021 Red River game as a freshman. Come on, man. And led the largest comeback in the history of that game. Did you know going into it you were going to take that game over? Did you just feel the juices or what? I did. I did. One of my really close friends, he played there.

He's trying out a bunch of teams, Jalil Farooke. He played there a couple more years. He went to me. Maryland, things like that. But we were standing on a bench right next to each other on top, standing on top of them, the big old white benches. We're like turn the ball over. We're getting, you know, whether it's interceptions, fumble, turnover and down, things like that. And I look over at him. I say the legend of Caleb begins. And then I swear. Fire me up. I swear. The legend, bro. And then I step on the field and then I go for the fourth down run. And I was like,

there's no way because I've been waiting on my moment to like play and things like that. And then I was like there's no way I'm going to get tackled. Like I will not get tackled here. And I end up breaking it for how many every yards I ran for. And then, you know, I end up finished the game off. We came back and one of the coolest games, coolest moments for me and everything else. So iconic, man. Yeah, man. Yeah. I've been a part of some cool games. Fricking Babe Ruth style, calling your shot. All right, well, let's do this. All right. There was a moment last year that I want to bring up that I thought was just a complete lack of class. I don't know. I don't know who takes.

their shirt off at a football game. But are we going to get Ben popping his top off more this year? Like, is this a thing that's going to stay? Once you do it, you gotta own it. That was a great moment. We're looking at a photo right now, and it's fucking epic. It was like pandemonium in the locker room.

When he started doing it, we just lost our shit. It was a great moment. It was like, yeah, yeah, look at him. Everybody's going on. Yeah, I'm juiced in the back. This is our T-Med. He's our EQ. And he's just in the middle, just freaking.

He's the best, man. But, yeah, it was a great moment. It was a great moment. He was, Ben, Ben, didn't do it early in the year. Yeah. He had to lift a little bit more. That's right. At some point, at some point, I started seeing him in the waiver right before we go out to practice,

getting a couple squads, getting a couple, you know, lifts and things like that. And then. He was working for this moment. Yeah, he was working for this moment, for this moment right here. I mean, I didn't know it. It paid off. It paid off. It paid off.

The striations. I mean, you're seeing striations. Yeah. In veins. It's good. He brought a lot of juice to us. I think this was us going nine and three, I think, or something like that. And it was a good moment being able to obviously, you know, beat such a really good team and organization and things like that.

So it was a fun moment. That's fucking awesome. Yep. Taking your shirt off is always an electric thing to do at a football. Always. Always. What's the best iconic Chicago food? We got deep dish.

We got the Chicago dog, a little Italian beef. I actually, and I don't know if this is like an iconic thing or whatever, but I just had a Chicago tavern-style pizza. Tavern-style pizza? Honestly, the best pizza I've ever had in my life. Oh, shit. You want to shout out the pizzeria? Zarela. I don't want to, Zarela, Z-R-E-L-L-A, I think is how you spell it.

It's insane. It's actually insane. What's the difference between deep dish and tavern style pizza? It's thin. They're cutting like squares. And then it's, uh, crisp, like the, the bottom is like flaky. So it's like a slight crunch when you bite in. So it's killer.

It's absolutely. I love some good pizza, man. Hell yeah. If you ever find yourself in Southside Chicago, uh, Mr. B's old-fashioned donuts, if you're into donuts.

Honestly, I was a, uh, a lineman at heart. I just didn't. I didn't get the body, you know. There you're not. So I love food, man.

I'll dive into it. What is it again? Mr. B's old-fashioned donuts. It's in the Southside. Mr. B's old-fashioned. Roseland area. Roseland area. Okay.

Sweet. Who gave you the Iceman nickname? I think it was DJ. DJ Moore. I believe DJ gave it to me and then the boys just ran off with it. Yeah. There we go. It's fitting, dog.

Yeah. Shout out to DJ Moore. Part of the 2024 QB class that includes a record six. first round picks. Oh, yeah. And everybody is, well, just about everybody's ball. You got to the end of it and you show. Do you guys keep in touch or is there a group chat between the fellas or, no, it's all

competition. No, it's cut the road over here on my side. I respect it, man. We got to play versus each other at some point. We follow each other and things like that on social media. It's no bad blood or anything like that. But every once a while, you know, like rare blue moon, we all reach out at some point. throughout the time, but no, it's not, it's not too much communication going on.

All right. This next question, you already said you haven't been on a boat. Are you interested in taking the Chicago architectural boat to? Dude, I have to. I got to rent out a boat. Bring some friends. You're going. And I have to.

I've heard about it for the past two, two and a half years. So I got to, I got to do it at some point. It's an epic city that it's one of my favorite cities ever, man. And it's so cool that the water is just so fucking beautiful. Dude, so beautiful. We grew up in Cleveland and with another great lake. Beautiful water. It is the best beach is in the Midwest.

But there's something about Lake Michigan in Chicago that's just fucking magical. And it's all right, man. One thing I always liked about Chicago is it feels like Chicago of all the cities in the Midwest was built around the water. Yeah, we call it the ocean. I mean, it kind of feels like big blue ocean. No sharks, though. No sharks, no alligator. So it's honestly the best.

It's honestly the best lake or best body of water that you could probably be in. Yeah, yeah. All right. Well, do you have a welcome to the NFL moment? Yeah. It was versus Houston. It was versus Houston. And their defense.

For really good defense. Really good defense. And I got tagged up that game, a good amount. Who was it? Was it? It was first DeNeil. Was it DeNeil? Oh, man.

He swan. I think it may have been like third played a game. I don't really remember. He got so early. He swung around the corner and smoked. I mean, I went, I mean, I was like a dead body midair, though. Like, I got hit and I, like, everything like flailed. Like, squirrel.

Yeah, flailed. So that one, that was probably that one. And then actually, the Rams, it didn't, it doesn't look like it. But I got smoked. I was running on the right sideline. It was on the two minute drill. Was it verse? No, it was, it was 53 land, landman, landman.

Oh, yeah, landman. Landman. Landman. He's throwing his weight around for sure. He put his helmet right in the middle of my chest. It stopped everything. I was running forward. We ran right into each.

I was on the sideline and everything stopped. Halted me. And I went backwards. You got to stay away from getting squared up, man. Yeah, you got to stay with him getting squared up. But my chin strap was, like, covering my nose. Like, I was getting from oxygen. It was ugly.

It was ugly. Nothing like just getting absolutely rocked on. Caleb, man, can't thank you enough, man. Same here. Appreciate the time. Congrats on year two, man. We can't wait to see what you got for year three. Yeah, I can't wait to see what you got, man.

Year, year, what is this? Year 13, what is it? 14. 14. Yeah. 14. Got up for respect on that. No, you already know, man.

I'll do my best to see you in LA this year, dog. Yeah, absolutely. Hey, Jace, can I get one of those Hawaiian shirts you always with? Oh, I got you. I got you. I'll get you a real good one. Hell yeah. Hell yeah.

You're the best, dog. We'll help you get the three times GQ's most stylish. there we go. I may wear it for a game. You never know. Never go. You're the man, brother. Thank you so much.

Yeah, absolutely. Appreciate y'all. All right. Thank you to Caleb Williams. Once again, that conversation was brought to you by Mentos Cup. All righty, that wraps up another episode of New Heights. Thank you to Caleb Williams. And also shout out to Randy Moss.

Our episode of Chasing Ten is out now. You want to check that out. He showed Travis and I everything there is to do with bass fishing, which was a lot because we knew absolutely nothing. So shout out to Randy. Andy, that was a blast. That does it for this episode, folks. Once again, New Heights of Wondry Show brought to you by Enterprise. That's right. Follow the show on all social media at New Heights Show with one ass for fun clips throughout the week. And thanks to our New Heights production

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