New Heights with Jason and Travis Kelce - Randy Moss on Cowboys Revenge Game, Edelnut Origins, Wideout Woes & an All Dog NFL Team | EP 180

Episode Date: March 4, 2026

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Jason, when it was time for you to call it quits, what's the number one thing in your mind you knew you were going to miss about the game? I knew I was going to miss competing. You see, is Ellie in the background? This is so funny. Do you go upstairs, you know? No. Why not?
Starting point is 00:00:18 Is that the oldest one? This is my second. You say hi? You say hi to the greatest receiver ever to play football? Say hi to Randy Moss. Are you guys going to pick up white right now? Hi, Randy Ma. Baby.
Starting point is 00:00:32 It's so epic. Hello, sweetheart. How are you? Oh, that was gold, man. Bye. Man. Love you. I love you.
Starting point is 00:00:43 Okay, okay. Okay, okay. Okay, baby. Nice. Welcome back to New High. It's a Wondry show brought to you by Expedia, the one place you go to go places. You can go anywhere, and it helps you figure out everything. else to do while you're on the go, and it's where you go to do that. We are your host. I'm
Starting point is 00:01:08 Travis Kelly's and my big brother, Jason Kelly out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio, representing the US of A again. Subscribe on YouTube, 1-3-plus, wherever you get your podcast, follow the show at New Heights Show with 1S. We got a bunch of fun clips throughout the week, and that's where I like to watch the show is the fun clips, so make sure you follow us on all social media. And Jason is now going to tell the people that are listening to this show what we have coming up. 10090% is we got another amazing episode for you guys. Spotted to some of your fan mentions and we're also going to build an NFL roster entirely out of dogs. Ooh.
Starting point is 00:01:43 Oh, Randy Moss is here. That's right, baby. Oh, you got Moss. That's right. Straight cash, homie. Before we get into that, let's get into a little bit of that new news. Yeah, new news. New news, we are pre-taping this one.
Starting point is 00:01:59 I'm sorry, no real new news. Currently, we're on location grabbing some incredible. credible guest conversation. Not saying who it is, but we might be one of the goats of a sport that you love. Yeah. So I guess that's the new news. Yeah. All right.
Starting point is 00:02:14 Nice. Let's keep this thing moving into fan mentions. Fan mentions is brought to you by one of our favorite drinks of all time. I think Ed Kelsey might be one of the top buyers of this drink, at least the diet version. It's brought to you by Pepsi. Shout out to Pepsi. All right. Here, NFL put out the NFL Combine Then and Now's.
Starting point is 00:02:32 How about that? Look at these pictures. Golly, I was so fat. You were fat? You're not fat in this photo? It's not the best photo, but. Yeah, the old straight on where you could see the double chin. How much did you weigh in that photo?
Starting point is 00:02:46 That was a good 268, I think. I'm not sure. What was my combine height and weight? I was 6.3, 7.8s, and I think I was like 258 or something like that. You're 6'4 and 7.8s? Yeah, 6.4 or 7.8s. Yeah. Either way.
Starting point is 00:03:01 Just under 6.5. Yeah. Oh, man. Did you scroll down and look further? Jesus, Jason. You forget the trimmer? Why do you look so different? Why is your nose so fucking thin?
Starting point is 00:03:13 Crooked? Dude, I look horrendous. Why do you look like this? I don't know. I look like I'm going to get... If you show me that picture back of the day, but that's not my brother. That guy's getting strip searched for sure.
Starting point is 00:03:26 It's like the NFL purposely tries to get the most unflattering pictures of rookies. I don't know that would have mattered what angle they got to me. I think I was just an ugly sandwich. He really grew into being a nice, handsome boy. So handsome. Look at you on the right there, y'all golden, get some sun. You've been at the shore? Yes, yes.
Starting point is 00:03:46 Yes. Those pictures are always taken in the heat of summer. That first one on the left is February. February and Cincinnati training for the job of your life. Did you see the other guys they put out? No. I'll run through them real quick. Hold on.
Starting point is 00:04:01 Who else we got? Oh, Josh Allen. Jay Allen don't look too bad. Smooth cat right there. No. Looks more artistic now. Similar. Exactly the same.
Starting point is 00:04:11 Don't see any difference at all. Young King Henry. Jedda. Young Jeddah. A. Raj. Not much difference. Kind of has a Lloyd Christmas. Go back.
Starting point is 00:04:19 The Lloyd Christmas going on there. The straight across. I mean, it kind of looks similar. All right. All right. What do we got next? What do we get next? This guy will never age.
Starting point is 00:04:28 He'll look like this until he's fucking 90 years old. I think you're right. I think you're right. Burrow. Burrow. I mean, I feel like Joey Burrow, yeah. Just, again, another guy who probably trained up north, didn't get a lot of sun. Second one, a little bit more sun.
Starting point is 00:04:44 CMC. Another guy's going to look the exact same until he's fucking 90 years old. Kind of look like a military cadet. Oh, Patty Mahomes. Patty Mahomes. Still looks the same. Yeah, not a big difference. He's got a billion-dollar smile, though.
Starting point is 00:05:01 He's, uh, yeah. Much happier. Much happier man in Adidas gear now than he wasn't Under Armour back then. Baker. Yeah, bake looks pretty similar. Beer is better, man. Yeah. Oh, that boy.
Starting point is 00:05:15 George has just been growing his hair ever since. He just hasn't stopped growing his hair. Gee Kittle, man. What he do? He fucking love that guy. Oh, shit. Nice. All right.
Starting point is 00:05:28 Nice. Glad we look different. There's one thing for sure is that at the combine, they take the most unflattering angle and lighting picture they possibly can to boost that morale. For us, pale, what in the winter kind of guys, yeah. Yes. Let's move on to everyone loving Jason's content creator. Oh, yeah, you are. I'm telling you're fucking crushing it with the content right now.
Starting point is 00:05:52 Yeah? Click this link real quick, Brandon. I think Jason Kelsey is quickly becoming one of my favorite follows on TikTok because everything he posts, it just kind of feels like either a grandpa decided to record a video and maybe did it on accident and posted it or a toddler took his mom's phone and is running around, filming everything and just posting it without editing it. Like his last video I saw was him just like taking the subway. That's it. It's like those progressive commercials where it's like you're slowly turning into your parents and they're trying not to let you do it. I mean, I feel
Starting point is 00:06:31 like a grandpa using TikTok. I really do not get it one bit. You've got to be a special, like, to be really, like, good at it. You got to be a special version of person, I think. And you are. You're a very special version of somebody. You're very, you're authentic. And that's what people fucking love the most about you in terms of the content you create. I'm not going to lie. I'm right there with them, dude. I'll fucking die laughing at everything you do, whether it's riding the subway or creating a garage beer commercial about about beer powder it's fucking gold man the subway was fun it was a great for subway i thought it was a fun video i don't know then it was fun and you knew exactly what you were doing you knew what the people wanted out of you
Starting point is 00:07:16 giley was like will you fucking stop like if you have any idea how long it took me to make that dumb ass video that's the one thing i always feel so fucking dumb man there was a there was a point early on my career when like the reels and everything really started getting going and I I would make them and then I wouldn't make them and then I would just do one because I felt like I had to keep it going and then it was just there was so many like stories that I just felt were so pointless and some of the shit I was doing was so pointless I just felt dumb doing it and you're clearly having a blast with it's the best dude not feeling dumb is like one of your superpowers oh no I mean I feel dumb all the time I feel dumb wearing this hat right now
Starting point is 00:07:59 It looks great. Just embraced it. From our new Heights Reddit page, our fantasy forfeit this year. All right. Recreating the GQ shoot for a calendar. This is fucking hilarious. Nice. I mean, that's fucking pretty damn good.
Starting point is 00:08:14 I mean, he's got a fucking down pat. Yeah, man. He's got the head till, all of it. He's got the chest hair. He's got the sloppy tits. He's fucking great, dude. Very nice. Very nicely done.
Starting point is 00:08:27 No AI allowed. Love that. We're based in Glasgow, Scotland. Oh, Scotland. Nice. Dude, to try and find somewhere in Scotland that resembled that. Yeah, exactly. That's pretty good right there.
Starting point is 00:08:40 Well done. Very well done. All right. And, yeah, I got a shout out from the Simpsons. How about this, Trad. Did you see this? No, I did not. Can you please?
Starting point is 00:08:48 I mean, I didn't get a shout out. They just like mentioned my existence, which. That's a shout out of my book. That's a shout out in my book. We fucking grew up in the heart of the Simpsons, man. Not that it's not still the heart of the Simpsons. because they're still rolling. But...
Starting point is 00:09:00 Awesome things for me to do in Philadelphia. Eat cheese steaks, hoagies, pretzels, water ice. Rip off a piece of Jason Kelsey's beers. Ah, nice, dude. You're just going to have random people coming up to you trying to fucking yank your beard off? If it's Marge or anybody with the Simpsons or... Yeah, I'm in. That's pretty good right there.
Starting point is 00:09:21 All right, that does it for fan mentions brought to you by Pepsi. All right, let's get into this Randy Mouse interview, baby. Great cash, homie. I've never been more excited. Here we go. Our guest today is 6'4 wide receiver from Rand, West Virginia. He's a four-time ball pro, six-time pro bowler, the 1998 offensive rookie of the year and the 2007 comeback player of the year. He holds the record for the most receiving touchdowns in a single season.
Starting point is 00:09:52 He's second all-time and career touchdowns, fourth all-time in career receiving yards, and he is a member of the 2018 class of the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Just a legend. We didn't pay him to come on our show, but if we did, we'd be using straight cash, homie. That's right. Great cash, all me, let's go. 92%ers, please welcome Randy Moss.
Starting point is 00:10:15 Let's go. Hey, what's up, fellas? Thanks for having me, man. You crazy, dude. You got me ready to play again. Hey, that's all I'm trying to do. Get them juices right now. I know you could go out there and break somebody off, man.
Starting point is 00:10:27 You already know, just throw it up, baby. Just throw it up. Thanks for having me on, guys, man. I know y'all got the number one podcast out there. And, you know, I really don't, I really, I really don't do many podcasts, right? But when I, but, but y'all, y'all, too, the brothers, the realness of what y'all put on the field and out the field, yeah, I got to come and show y'all some love, man. So thanks for having me on.
Starting point is 00:10:48 That's why you're the realest, big guy. We can't thank you enough. You already know, you're an absolute legend in the NFL. and even more so just being you. Everybody has seen the personality kind of come out since the NFL. And it's just, it's so cool to have you on this show with us, man, because you are, you guys, the legends that we grew up watching and everything, getting you guys on this show is like taking me back to my childhood
Starting point is 00:11:13 and like I'm living out a dream. I didn't even know what was possible, man. So I appreciate you joining us today, brother. Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. It's the personality off the field, like the entire essence of Randy. I mean, you are the greatest highlight player in the history of the NFL. Like, is there anybody else that has better highlights to Randy Moss? There's an entire catch.
Starting point is 00:11:33 Anytime somebody goes up and gets it. You got Moss. If you're talking about my position, no. But if you're talking about players that ever played the game, I mean, I think Barry Sanders was a human highlight real. But, you know, you're talking about my position? No. But at the same time, guys, you know, just being able. to stay grounded, keep myself grounded.
Starting point is 00:11:57 And it was really about to work you put in, you know? And, you know, a lot of people, you know, don't really understand my background in the sport of basketball. And the thing that I've always tried to tell people, Jason, was that, and Traff, I've seen it in your game. In the field of play, you know, where you have 50, 60, 70 yards to go before you score, that's when I use my quickness, you know, my elusiveness and my speed. But once you get down to the red zone, it's all about boxing out, body placement,
Starting point is 00:12:32 going up and get the rebound. So that's where I put the game of basketball into my game. And that's where, that's why I say if you put into hard work, then hard work pays off. So like I say, the plays that I make, hey, I put the work in to be able to make those plays. We can't talk hoops without talking about your West Virginia days in high school, rocking with Jason Williams, man. Yeah, yeah. Legendary duo.
Starting point is 00:12:56 Growing up, did you guys both know that you guys had like something special that both of you were going to go pro in your respective sports? Me and Jason, like a quick short story, Jason, while we were in elementary school, we played, I think, two years of Pop Warner against one another. And Jason was a phenomenal football player,
Starting point is 00:13:15 phenomenal athlete. And every sport that I played, Jason played, or every sport he played, I played. The only sport Jason really didn't play or do is track. As far as baseball, basketball, and football, you know, he excelled at all three of the sports just like I did. You're talking about honorable mentions, all conference and things like that. Jason was that type of athlete, but I think he got kind of discouraged my sophomore year, his junior year, where the quarterback was already sort of in place so he could really focus on basketball.
Starting point is 00:13:49 So that was like Jason's last year of playing football was his 11th grade year or his 10th grade year. So we played AAU basketball. We traveled to the country with one another. But I think the craziest moment for me was just playing against a lot of these former NBA players that we played against in middle school and in high school. And then, of course, that I branched off and made it to the NFL. But just seeing some of the guys that we played against in AAU excel on a professional level. So that was kind of like some crazy surroundings.
Starting point is 00:14:19 real moments at the same time. That's so dope, man. It's awesome. It's awesome you were talking about the crossover. Guys like Devante Adams talks about how in his routes he's thinking as if he's like a ball handler on the court. And his quickness and how he switches up his tempo to make it seem
Starting point is 00:14:39 more effective and more fluent. And it's awesome to hear you say that because I think a lot of guys get caught up in high school and even younger parents are trying to get them to just focus on one sport. But they specialize too early. Me and Jason are huge on a big advocates on making sure you get out there, play all the sports, get an understanding of the hand eye and all these different sports and not focus
Starting point is 00:14:59 on them until after, I don't know, middle school or high school or whichever one you choose to prolong in college. There's carryover for sure. You learn from one sport you can take it and you can apply it to another one. Like, I feel like I'm a better old I'm because I did two years of wrestling in middle school. Right. Now, I don't know if that's real or not, but you learn about leverage. with you wrestle.
Starting point is 00:15:19 No doubt, no doubt. Randy, he was the one, he was the one you didn't want to fucking see out there, man.
Starting point is 00:15:24 I can only imagine. This guy had pimples all over his face. You, as soon as you start wrestling with, the pimples are popping and like the blood are pusses coming down his face.
Starting point is 00:15:33 Like, you know. Oh, man, where's the love of that guy? He's sweating, sweating his ass off. He's the sweaty, like just mess and he's just
Starting point is 00:15:41 purposely not wearing deodorant. I'm going to make you feel me. I'm going to make you feel me. He's a nasty son of a buck, man. Athens should lead their options open, you know, because like you said, you, and, you know, Jason, that you say that your, your position at center where leverage is very important, it's like, like, you really can hang your hat on you. Man, if I wouldn't have done wrestling, then my game would have been what is a professional. So, I mean, like you said, you've been able to take another sport and then put it into your professional sport. And man, that says a lot.
Starting point is 00:16:12 Yeah, absolutely. And I think it's, and it works for all of them. Like, I mean, basketball definitely feels like the most applicable, especially. If you got ball skills, complete athleticism, most of the best receivers, tight ends, I feel like a lot of those guys were hoopers growing up. It just feels like there's a big carryover. But I do want to go back a little bit to those days with Jason Williams. What is it about guys from West Virginia?
Starting point is 00:16:33 I golfed with this dude and had the most fun outing of my life at the Jerome Bettis golf out in this past year. It feels like you're the same way. It feels like Nick Sabin, even hearing him talk. Like there's a authenticity and a realness that there's, I don't even know how to describe it, but I just, it feels like I love everybody that I meet from West Virginia. And I don't exactly know why. What is it about West Virginia that it feels like guys that come out of it? Like, they're not trying to be anything.
Starting point is 00:17:01 They're very grounded in who they are. They're proud of who they are. And they don't take shit from nobody. That's pretty much a vibe I get from everybody I never would. That is us. But to answer your question, I just think that if you come from humble beginnings, I think that really was what keeps a person grounded. And I think that everyone that I've seen from West Virginia, all the celebrities, you know, just being humbled and keep it grounded because one of the biggest things that I said in my Hall of Fame speech back in 2018, just growing up and nobody caring about who I was or who we were.
Starting point is 00:17:37 You know, I grew up in an uncooperated community. And still to this day, my community is still uncooperated. So I just think that, you know, being able to grow up in some real, you know, type of surroundings and understanding what's real in life, you learn that at a very young age coming out of the state of West Virginia and not just where I'm from in the county. I just think it's the whole state as a whole. And what you see is what you get. So I know there's a lot of people, you know, struggling back at home.
Starting point is 00:18:07 And, you know, that's one of the things that really kept me grounded guys of, you know, going back and doing charity events and going back home. I even took my Hall of Fame jacket. I even took my Hall of Fame jacket back home. And the reason why, because I wanted to give the kids something, something real to see, something real to touch. And it's like back where you guys are from, it's like when you see the Kelsey Brothers, you know,
Starting point is 00:18:28 on television playing, winter Super Bowls, now you're seeing them, you know, endorsing themselves. It's kind of like when you go back home and seeing people that you grew up with or their children and things like that. So I just want to be able to give hope to people, you know, that grew up like I do. So I just think that, you know, it just answers your question about people being from West Virginia.
Starting point is 00:18:48 I know what it's like. I know what it's like, you know, when it comes to hard times. And that's something that I never forget. And I try to relay that message, you know, throughout my whole life. I love that, Randy. That is so good. We got to get into a little bit of a story that Julian Edelman told us. Right.
Starting point is 00:19:04 Our guy, our guy friend of the show, you played with them as a rookie. I couldn't imagine having a better vet than the Randy Moss. in the building. And he said he, you nicknamed him Edelnut. Edel nut. Edel nut. Well, he came in. Where'd that come from?
Starting point is 00:19:22 I don't know where Edel, Edel nut, Edelman, I don't, I know it just sounds crazy, but you know, you know all the comedy and jokes just in the locker room. You just try to find humor day to day just to get your day by.
Starting point is 00:19:34 He tells a story about me being on the phone with, he calls it Mama Moss. And, you know, just briefly, you know, I grew up in, you know, of course, in Rand West Virginia. And, you know, my mom, we grew up in the church.
Starting point is 00:19:47 And, you know, I grew up a drummer. And so when it comes to, you know, profanity and things like that, you know, my mom being the Christmas year, she doesn't want any swearing going on nowhere around her. So at that time, at that time, I'm in the locker room and Julian's behind me, cussing. I forgot who he was talking to, but he would be loud. But he'd seen me on my phone. smiling and I was basically telling him to, you know, be quiet to hold on. And I'm on the phone. And then he was like, boom, what? You know, so it was like one of those crazy moments that I would
Starting point is 00:20:26 hear later from my mom, Randy, who was that in the background swear? And I was like, oh, my God. So that was like one of those crazy moments that I had to hear from my mama later on in life. Who was in the background swear? So that's where, it's where that moment came from. But it was actually a crazy moment at game time. That's awesome. When you saw Julian come in because he was a quarterback at Ken State, man, did you see something in him immediately? Like, did he have, did he have that it factor when he walked in the building? The thing about New England and how they were running their offense about before I became a patriot, you look at all those small,
Starting point is 00:21:01 shifty receivers. You have the small shift, yeah, you have the small shifty running backs. You know, they had a guy like Kevin Falkin, and then they brought. brought in later Sweet Feet White and those other guys. But then, you know, just looking at the past before I became a patriot, they had a guy like, they had a guy by the name of Troy Brown, went to Marshall. Yeah. I studied his game. I was a big, I was a big fan of his. And I was just looking at Troy was, I think Troy was coming off of knee surgery. So we bring in myself, we bring in Welker and Edelman at the same time. So they're trying to figure out, you know, where they can put Julian Edelman coming out of Kent State.
Starting point is 00:21:41 a quarterback so all the gadget plays they knew they had in and Julian but I just think being a Swiss army knife of getting in and out of cluts he had to learn that and I didn't have a problem throughout a 14 year career of teaching a guy in the game I think it's the more you know the better it helps you as a team and so I really didn't have a problem with Edelman or anybody teaching them the game and I think that I just saw you know his speed his swiftiness but at the same time you guys know as a young rookie, his willingness to want to learn the game. So that's really what took me over the top with him. But then he tells a story about me giving him money to feed the guys.
Starting point is 00:22:20 And, you know, your late draft pick, some guys might be an undrafted, you know, free agent, but they still got a chip in to feed the veterans. So I just thought at that time, and I don't know how much he was making, but that's always been my heart just for the guys. You know how the bets get. You know how we get. The vet will be ruthless. Especially y'all, the own alignment.
Starting point is 00:22:40 You know, the donuts, the food, whatever's not there, you guys are go crazy. So that's what I was thinking about. That's right. But that's awesome, man. All right, let's flash it back a little bit to West Virginia again. All right. So you're 1994 West Virginia Player of the Year in football, also won the West Virginia Player of the Year in basketball twice.
Starting point is 00:22:58 You said you were more of a Hooper. At what point did it transition? Did you know football was the future? The summer of 94. Jason, Nike used to run. a camp where they invite the best players around the country to a remote location and just ball for the weekend. Well, Jason was, you know, he's a year older than me, and I always played a year up.
Starting point is 00:23:22 Most guys do when it comes to like A-U and things like that. So the following year, I went to the Nike camp. I got to invite me and another guy by the name of Gene neighbors ended up going to LSU playing point guard for them. And speaking of Gene, Gene, Gene was. the only guy that I ever seen give Jason fits as a point guard. They used to go at it. If you ever asked Jason, say, Jason, did you and Gene neighbors used to go at it? Yeah, they used to go at it. So I go to Nike Cap and, you know, I'm sitting up there not really feeling good about it because
Starting point is 00:23:56 I'm seeing, you know, Kevin darn that. I'm just saying guys, you know, six, seven, six 11, seven footers. And so I'm sitting up her asking myself, can I compete? Do I belong here? So at the time, you know, we were sitting here talking about, you know, keeping your options open of playing all the sports you can actually play. Well, out of a seasonal athlete, just like maybe you guys were, you know, whatever season it was, that's what sport I played. Yes. Those guys, like Kevin Garnett, there was a guy by the name of Ron Mercer out in Tennessee,
Starting point is 00:24:27 ended up playing for the Chicago Bulls. All those guys were all year-round gym rap. So that year, we ended up playing the team out of California that had the number one ranked underclassman by the name of Shea Cotton. You don't believe that you can Google it. There's only been... Shea Cotton. Shee Cotton.
Starting point is 00:24:43 There's only been three phenom in the history that I've been living. Moses Malone, Shea Cotton, LeBron James. They're not only three phenoms that I've ever heard about. I've seen two of them. I didn't see Moses back when he was in high school, but I seen LeBron and I've seen Shea. And he wasn't a phenom. But anyways, we play them.
Starting point is 00:25:02 He's a left-hander. Well, he embarrasses me. I've come back. Yeah. I mean, he totally, totally, totally embarrassed me. This guy is an underclassman, but he's the number one rated player in the country. But like I say, Kevin Barnett was the number one rated player because he was a senior that year. I think I think Shay was maybe a sophomore that year, but he's the number one player.
Starting point is 00:25:24 Anyways, I get embarrassed. So then I'm already feeling a certain type of way. Well, we get a rain delay. I'm on a court. Kevin Barnett's out there playing. So me and him somehow getting to a. a one-on-one match. I asked Kevin, does he remember this? And he kind of looked at me as like, well, Kevin, I've got great memory. I remember like it was yesterday. So using my, so using my
Starting point is 00:25:48 speed with basketball, guys, I try to get to the rim and try to lay it up as high as I possibly could over the white box, okay? Okay. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, you got to be up there. Kevin Garnett gets up on a basketball, Jason, and pins my ball with the palm of his hand. So I'm already feeling discouraged from Shea Cotton and what he did to me. And now Kevin Garnett did this to me. So then when I go back home, they said, hey, man, you went to Nike Camp Moss. How did it go? I said, football player. That's what I'm going to be. I'm saying, man, I'm ready for football. Yes, I am. And it's really a true story. I mean, I'm putting a little bit of humor into it. But at the same time, that was a true story that
Starting point is 00:26:30 would happen to me that really changed my mind of playing basketball. And then it's like, dude, I don't even think I can compete with those guys. So let me stick to football. That is amazing. That's such a good story. KG ended up going straight to the NBA from there, right? Well, yeah, from high school. But see, the thing about it, it was kind of crazy because we had a couple nights out
Starting point is 00:26:49 where we've seen each other. And, of course, we supported one another. We ended up taking the iconic picture together. But like I said, I just told, you know, just Kevin, just more of the things that when you grow up playing against certain guys, you know, I get fueled. I was fueled in height seeing other guys that I played and competed against to make it to the next level. And that's when I started, you know, when I got to college and seeing Kevin on that level. And I was like, hey, man, I could really compete.
Starting point is 00:27:24 And I remember going to Florida State my freshman year, you know, coming out of West Virginia where the talk is, you know, we don't, we don't breed athletes. you do, they don't compete. You know, so I think that I had a lot of, a lot of questions about my game at Florida State. But then I left Florida State, went to Marshall, and I had a lot of confidence. And the reason why I had a lot of confidence, because a lot of the guys professionally came back to Florida State and trained. Travis, you'll love this one.
Starting point is 00:27:53 So during the offseason, everybody, they're beating on my door, beating on my door, country boy, country boy, come on outside, come on outside. Everybody wanted the smoke. So I'm sitting up here like, you know, what's going? Hey, man, the pros are out here training. Come and get some. Come and get some. So, I mean, it was guys like Devin Bush's, Devin Bush senior.
Starting point is 00:28:14 He was still in the National Football League. He went to Florida State, you know, just a lot of the past guys that made it, because Florida State was putting athletes in the league like right and left. So I get out there and those guys are talking, oh, you're the country boy I hear about. Well, anyways, I go out there and embarrass those guys. I handle my business. And then right after that, the spring comes. The spring comes.
Starting point is 00:28:36 I have a great spring. And then I go back to West Virginia, service and jail time and then up getting, you know, thrown out of Florida State. But anyways, getting back to the story of the confidence factor of being able to have the confidence coming from Florida State. And then from the A.U basketball court to Florida State, seeing guys drafted that I played with at Florida State,
Starting point is 00:28:56 seeing guys drafted that I played AAU ball against, you're talking about confidence and not looking. and back. And then also the trials and tribulations of, you know, coming from the state of West Virginia, dude, it was destined for me to really get out there and just grit my teeth and just go get it. That's awesome, man. Heck yeah. That's such a good story. From one flip side to a Nike invite to realize that, you know, this might not be the thing. And then on the other flip side, going down to Florida State and realizing like, oh, yeah, I got something over here. Right. That's a dope dynamic. I feel the same way because people, a lot of times people ask,
Starting point is 00:29:31 Like, when did you know you could go to the NFL? It's like, I kind of started knowing once I saw guys go and I was playing against them. It was the same way in college. Like, I'm like, man, am I good enough to play in college? And then I'm playing against Thadius Gibson over at Euclid. And I'm like, I can compete with Adias. And he was committed to Ohio State. So I feel like I'm right there.
Starting point is 00:29:49 And then all of a sudden you're in college and you see guys that your teammates with go. And you're like, okay, I might get a shot at this thing. And what was it like you just mentioned going from Florida State going back to West Virginia? Marshall. What was that like? It was hard for me, guys. And the reason why is because what I struggled with, you know, as far as my, you know, my upbringing and gotten to that high school, you know, fight, you know, getting sentenced
Starting point is 00:30:12 to some jail time. And, you know, it's kind of like that, you know, throughout my whole life, I think a lot of the people around the state seen my talents and, you know, wanted me to be a mountaineer. And, you know, I followed the mountaineers. They, you know, competed against Notre Dame in the national championship in the late 80s. So, you know, I've always followed the mountaineers. to follow Marshall, you know, in the divisions that they were in, and the players that they even put in their program.
Starting point is 00:30:36 But I just always wanted to get out, Jason, and just being able to get out and then coming back home, it was kind of crazy to me. And like I said, being able to see those guys pull up in the Lexus and, you know, the Mercedes and seeing a lot of things that I didn't see growing up. So when I came back home, it was kind of depressing for me because I kind of failed myself. and I think that being able to get an opportunity to play football again,
Starting point is 00:31:06 I got with Marshall. You know, I had a great group of guys as far as my teammates, you know, just being able to uplift me in certain situations and certain moments. We went undefeated in my first year. So I think that, you know, a lot of the stuff that, you know, I took from Florida State, I took the Marshall, man. And like I say, the rest is history. You can look at the record books.
Starting point is 00:31:27 You can look at the score for it. to stay on, man. So like I said, man, that's right. So I just took a lot, you know, from Florida State, but at the same time, like I told you, what fueled me to go out there and try to make it to the top. I didn't want to take, I didn't want to take that little bump in the road,
Starting point is 00:31:45 you know, going back home to Marshall. I just took that as another opportunity to go reach my goal. Hell yeah, man. Hell yeah. Well, it worked out. Heck yeah, it did. Thank you to our presenting sponsor, Expedia. When it comes to travel, we're all.
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Starting point is 00:34:52 It's epic. I love that shit. And that was back in the AstroTurf Days. Oh, my God. What was it like going, playing on AstroTurf every single home game or every single week? Well, the thing about it is I played on AstroTurf a lot in high school, too. So it was kind of like I played an AstroTurf in high school.
Starting point is 00:35:14 I played on AstroTurf in college. And then when I got drafted to the Minnesota Vikings, they were on AstroTurf. So it was kind of like you had to understand how to play on it. Because if you don't understand how to play on it, it could really, you know, as far as the cutting, you know, as far as the joints on your knees, and then also the scrapes and cuts on your body. I mean, I don't, yeah, I don't, I don't really know my degrees as far as Burns first,
Starting point is 00:35:41 second, or third degree. But I've seen a man, I've seen a man on game day to have his whole arm stripped from here all the way down to his wrist. And it was pure, and it was pure, and it was pure white. Oh, my God. Oh, flesh. So like I said, I had to learn, like I said, I had to learn how to play on it. But at the same time, you know, just been able to make the transition to, you know, the grass or the field turf.
Starting point is 00:36:09 I mean, I enjoyed every moment of it, though, because I played on the worst. One stadium that we played in high school, Lakewood High School. And that was only really the only chance I ever had to play on AstroTurf. But when you came in the league, you had all fields. It was AstroTurf. It was regular fields and then it was baseball fields.
Starting point is 00:36:31 Yeah, yeah. Like you were playing on the infields, you were playing on Astro. Like, that's such a crazy dynamic. We complain about field turf now. And it's like, man, guys were playing on carpet and running on a mound. They were running the second base out there.
Starting point is 00:36:46 I'm going to tell you one of my craziest moments. Of course, I don't think I've ever won in Fielding. I don't think I've ever won in Philly. But they used to have a wall in the visitor's locker room. Did you ever hear about that wall? I don't think I've heard about this. All the former players,
Starting point is 00:37:01 and I don't even know how far it goes back. I know it's back in the 70s. I mean, you got from Walter Payton, you know, refrigerator Perry, you got all the guys, well, anyways, when they come into the visitors locker room, but the old vet, we can sign this wall. And you can sign it whatever you wouldn't want.
Starting point is 00:37:20 You know, we're going to keep y'all's whatever, Brandy balls, you know, whatever it is. So Walter, Walter Payton being, you know, my favorite player growing up, I signed my name near he is. I mean, I saw Jerry Rice's. I seen all these players that are in the visiting locker room. You can sign this wall. You can say what you want and then put your autograph on it.
Starting point is 00:37:42 Then I said, well, what did they do with the wall when they built the new stadium? I don't know, but that was one of the craziest moments going into the back. Oh, we got to find that wall. There's no way they let that get out of there. I can't believe this has got to be. This is somebody's basement. And they're doing a good job keeping the secret. They couldn't have demolished it with all the autographs and all the history.
Starting point is 00:38:02 It was just a brick wall that was kind of like holding up the stadium. I say over 100, 150 athletes on that wall. That's crazy. I can't believe they didn't incorporate in the newsday. It should be enshrined. I got to figure this out. Yeah, really. You mentioned playing with the Vikings.
Starting point is 00:38:19 Right. You get draft. First of all, what was draft day like? We ask everybody who got draft, like, what was that process like? My draft day was kind of crazy because of the expectations that I had that I was going to be a cowboy. Wow. Okay.
Starting point is 00:38:35 I didn't know this. Now, I told you about my background, about my mom being in church and Christian. And my mom was, you know, really into church. She really wasn't into sports. You know how you guys take that visit to a team and then they host you or whatnot, you know. Yeah. Top 30. Yeah, Dallas was a little different.
Starting point is 00:38:54 They hosted a lot of players. They didn't host you, you know, individually. So I come back home, you know, thinking that I'm going to be a cowboy. So I come back telling everybody in my hometown and tell my mom. And then my mom is like, okay, son, if you say you're going to be a cowboy, then you're going to be a cowboy. So I remember on draft day sitting there, you know, you got the ESPN camera there in the house that I was in. And I remember my mom sitting there with a Bible on her lap. and it was kind of crazy because I was like,
Starting point is 00:39:23 okay, mom, you know, you're here? I know you're over there praying, but it's kind of weird that my mom's here in this sport type of moment. And so when I tell her I'm going to be drafted and the eighth overall pick, Dallas Cowboys select Greg Ellis, and that was my, you know,
Starting point is 00:39:40 supposed to be selection. And so like I said, I've seen my mom's, you know, energy and facial expression. And then I was feeling a certain type of way. So I just think that, You know, I know there's more to this and we don't have time for it, but you guys, you two, the Kelso brothers,
Starting point is 00:39:55 you guys don't understand as far as there's been a lot of blood as far as the family blood that goes through the national football league. But I think it's being successful as a pair of brothers, man, I think that's really what I tip my hat and commend you guys for because that's really hard to do. You know, you got one brother over here having success. You got another brother. You guys are really competing against each other.
Starting point is 00:40:17 But at the same time, you still have the love. So anyways, my brother played for the Minnesota Vikings before I was drafted. He went to Ohio State. He backed up Corey Pace in Orlando. I mean, Corey Stringer, Orlando Pace. And so my brother called me first. He's like, hey, man, Coach Green wants to talk to you. That's like, ah, man, I'm not really into.
Starting point is 00:40:37 Oh, Randy, I'm going to draft you. Okay, whatever. So, so because I was, like I said, man, I was already depleted from, you know, not getting, you know, the eighth overall pick. So when it came to the Vikings pick, pick, they picked me up. And then all of a sudden, you know, I get the call and I'm like, you know, thanks, coach, you won't regret this. All I want to do is just play football, man.
Starting point is 00:40:58 It's been a bumpy 24-hour road for me. I was in the emotional wreck. I was like, coach, I just want to play football. That's all I want to do. So I go back that night, get ready to get on my plane, and I ended up breaking my ankle. So if you ever look at my rookie trading card, you'll look at me and Dennis Green on a practice field. and I have an air cast on my foot because on draft night, I had to get my mind away from not getting drafted.
Starting point is 00:41:24 I went and played basketball and broke my ankle. Broke my ankle. And broke my ankle. What? So I, you know, hobbled through an airport, went through Chicago, O'Hare hobbled. They seen me jumping. They went and got a wheelchair for me, took me to my gate, and then all of a sudden I went to Minnesota.
Starting point is 00:41:39 They got me to gate, brought me to the coaches. And the first thing they done, Timmy, was took me straight to the doctors and put the boot on it. What did they say? They can't say that they knew my history. They knew my background. So, I mean, it's like, okay, things happening. So like I said, it was like, it was a crazy moment.
Starting point is 00:41:58 But like I said, just been able to get drafted. My brother called me and was just like the Minnesota Vikings want to. So being up there in Minnesota for my first couple years, man, I had my brother with me. Man, that's so cool, man. You got your revenge on the Cowboys. Talk about Thanksgiving. What was that game like? Did you know coming into it you were going to go off for that much?
Starting point is 00:42:19 No, I really didn't. I think that you know how you sit at home as a kid and you see all the athletes like score touchdown and all of a sudden the camera goes right to that athlete. And I know both of you guys have done it because I've seen it. How am I? Am I? Yes. No doubt.
Starting point is 00:42:38 Every time you know it. So my biggest thing was being on that stage, Thanksgiving Day, I just wanted to say, hi mom. That's all I wanted to do. So that game, we're in the cold tub because we just played on Sunday. Y'all guys know how important the cold tub is. Oh, yeah. So I didn't want to get in the cold tub, but the veterans forced me in there and I went up and having those three cats with that iconic game. But I think for me, just going up there, just being able to ignore the noise of seeing familiar faces, because I remember when I took that trip before the draft, I seen, you know, some faces, you know, as far as the recruiting and the scouts and things like that.
Starting point is 00:43:17 So me going out there just seeing some familiar faces, I had to be able to ignore that. But at the same time, put my focus on going out here and having a great game. But then out of all the things that I'll say this, with that game, with my mind being everywhere, you know, my wide receiver coach, you know, dot rest of soul, Hubbard Alexander, and Chris Carter, Jake Reed, our rile receiver core 3D.
Starting point is 00:43:41 We all stayed together that game. And it was my rookie year. I mean, I know my coming out party was the Green Bay Monday night. But that game against Dallas, guys, it was kind of like it was so emotional. And it was kind of kind of, we've all been in the zone before, you know, where you think like every block I'm going to get and there's no ball that I'm going to drop. You know what I'm saying? Yes. For sure.
Starting point is 00:44:02 So that game right there, I know it was just three, three balls thrown my way. But I was like, dude, I was in a zone that day. And I was going to not let anything stop me. Three balls for 163 yards and three touchdowns. That's a heck of a day. Hang my hat on that one. One of the producers is a cowboy fan. He grew up in Texas.
Starting point is 00:44:20 He has this in there. We got to ask. And we know you're involved in Boulder. Do you still have that same game if Dion's playing? Probably. Probably. Because the thing about it, quick crazy story, I've got to tell you this, guys.
Starting point is 00:44:36 And the guy that's the cowboy fan, you're going to be sick at this story. Real quick. When I get the thing. Dallas, I'm already sitting up here wondering about what is my day going to be like. Okay? So I come down to the lobby and one of the security guys tells me, he said, hey, Randy, you're not going to come to dinner tonight.
Starting point is 00:44:54 We're going to, there's Mr. Jones sent the limousine to get you. And the limousine is going to take you over to Primetime's house. And I'm like, I've never met Dionne Sanders. I'm like, oh, my God, I don't know, crazy. So that's nice. I go to Dionne Sanders house. He tells me, you know, the story of, hey, man, I'd love to play with. you. Jerry Jones wants you. He wants me to talk to you. So, guys, there was no way that I was going
Starting point is 00:45:17 leaving Dallas that, you know, in my mind, I was believing that I was going to be a Dallas Cowboys. So that is crazy. What a pump fake, man. Right? Yeah, for the pump fake. So back to what you were saying, it wasn't, it, it had nothing to do with if Dion was playing or not. One thing that I'll tell you that Chris Carter was always up for the big games that we played. the big guys. Like we had Aniaz Williams Hall of Fame brother out of Arizona Cardinals. Yep. Played him.
Starting point is 00:45:47 We played James Hastie and Dale Carter cornerbacks out of Kansas City. At the time, they were both pro bowlers. So being a veteran player, you know, he always used to tell me about, hey, man, you got to be worried about this. You got to worry about this. When I remember talking about Dion, and he was like, I don't know if he's going to play, but if he does, you've got to watch out for this. You've got to watch out for that.
Starting point is 00:46:10 So I was just up to the moment of my rookie year, knowing it was Thanksgiving, everybody talking about me and Dion Sanders, and I was like, man, I can't not worry about Dion. That's how focused I really was, guys. I really was really focused that game. Was there a DB throughout your entire career that you kind of like give the tip of the cap, too,
Starting point is 00:46:29 that you just, he always made your job just that much harder? Yeah, and I'm not ashamed to say his name. Derell Revis was a nap. Yeah. Yeah. The railroad, he was just a nap. I mean, and the thing about it, what was you going to ask him, Jason? What made him good?
Starting point is 00:46:45 Yeah, because it wasn't like he was like this crazy, like, I mean, he was, but what made him so good at corner? I mean, without stating the obvious, you know, guys study, you know, they study techniques, they study, you know, formation, things like that. But by him being not as fast as, you know, a champ Bailey or Dion Sanders, the man was athletic beyond, you know, When I say athletic, if you study a guy like Daryl Revis, go back to his highlights back when he played basketball in the state of Pennsylvania.
Starting point is 00:47:17 Okay. Okay. Okay. There's some homework, yeah. Okay. So when I go back to do my study, I already went back to his high school looking at his skill set because I remember the release. I did a release his rookie year.
Starting point is 00:47:31 And then the second year I came back. I tried to do the same release, and I'm like, oh, my God, he got it. So it was kind of more like he did his homework on me. Now it was time for me to do my workshop. I thought I did. But I had to really go into my study mode with a guy like him because he was so good. And I just think that the way he knew how he stepped, how he knew body language, along with having a great defensive coordinator on a guy like Rex Ryan.
Starting point is 00:47:58 And then later on going to Bill Belichick's defense. So like I said, Dorel Revis was a nat. He studied. But I think one of the things that he really did get credit. get credit for was how good of an athlete he was, just not as a cornerback, but the man was a hell of a guard, too. Heck yeah. When I got to go up against him, he was so stout and strong.
Starting point is 00:48:17 He had great patience. He never opened his hip. It was crazy. Do you remember the time when they took you out of the three-point stance and they let you get out here and line up at that wide receiver? Oh, yeah. Because the crazy thing about it was, Trave, it's kind of like, we knew, you know, it's football fans was like, hey, this man right here can play some football.
Starting point is 00:48:39 So then all of a sudden, now they detach you from the tackle and let you get out there to two-point stands. And then you really get to see how shifting you were. And how I meant, Jason. Yes, that was a perfect impression right there. You don't look at the shoulders. You're going to get lost. You're going to get lost in the shoulders.
Starting point is 00:48:59 Being able to go against certain guys like, you know, a Charles Woods and a Chap Bailey, a Derell Revis, a lot of that stuff was important because if they do their study and learn how to be patient at the line, you definitely have success against most wide receivers in today's gang man pass. I love it. I got to, we usually ask, what is your welcome to the NFL moment? But you made the Pro Bowl your rookie year and we're second team all pro. It doesn't sound like you had a welcome to the NFL moment.
Starting point is 00:49:26 That was like, I mean, I guess it was the Cowboys game. I guess it was the Green Bayer Cowboys game. Like they were positives. It wasn't. My welcome was like facing off against Ray Lewis for the first time. I'm like, man, I can't believe I'm trying to block Ray Lewis. Do you have any moments like that? I think what was crazy for me.
Starting point is 00:49:41 And it was Monday night. It was Monday night in Lambo. And I remember, I don't remember the result of the play, but I remember walking back to the huddle and I walked right past Reggie White. And just, just as, you know. Just could feel the aura. Dude. It's the minister of defense.
Starting point is 00:50:05 I hope that guy doesn't get his hands on me. God damn. No, because, I mean, there's already a clip of him throwing Chris Carter out the way. He's trying to chip the edge. But I think, you know, so imagine that throw. But I think that that was a moment for me. I think just not looking at the actually the stats and the yards, I just think being able to look and seeing that I'm on the same football field as Reggie White. And then there was another clip of me talking about my coaches.
Starting point is 00:50:35 telling me, hey, man, sit down, man, come and rest your legs. I was like, no, that's Brett Farm. That's Brett Farm. So it's just crazy moments like that. I just remember Brett Farb being on the field, Barry Sanders been on the field, or then walking past Reggie White's at the rookie. So it's kind of like the guys you grew up watching, and now you're on a field playing against them or with them.
Starting point is 00:50:54 That's probably my surreal moments. Oh, yeah. I had one of those surreal moments when we played the Patriots for the first time. I saw Tom Brady in person, man, live in action, in a super suit wearing the 12 man. How was it when you went to the Patriots? Was it a night and day, like, difference from anywhere you had ever been?
Starting point is 00:51:12 Or what was it like meeting time for the first time? Dude, we can have fun on this, on y'all's podcast all day, but check this out. So y'all know, so you know Saturday night before the game. We're in a hotel, we're the visitors, right? So, you know, we're on two floors, and, you know, you got the security on both floors of all this crazy stuff.
Starting point is 00:51:34 we're the Raiders. We play on Sunday. I fly back to Minnesota. So one of my former teammates is at the hotel getting ready for the Monday night. Well, guys, I drive down to their hotel, sneak in the hotel, and go up the exit stairs and get up on their floor, all right? Jason, you're looking at me like, Ray, like, what is this, Randy? Yeah, right, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:00 There are probably, what, four or five hours before they go to the stadium. on Monday night. I sneak in their hotel, meet Brady for the first time, Traff. Meeting for the first time. And I said, love, dude, I'm going to cut straight to it. I said, dude, I want to play with you. Whatever you can do to get me up here, do it. So the next thing,
Starting point is 00:52:18 you know, I gave him, I daft him up, gave him some love, walked out. That night, I watched the game, Brady's first time ever in his career. He throws five touchdowns against the Minnesota bike. So I'm sitting up for thinking, oh, I might have rubbed off on Brady.
Starting point is 00:52:34 a little bit. I'm like a mom. Oh, no. Being given the opportunity to get traded from Oakland to the Patriots, the number one thing that I wanted to do, Jason Travis' offensive players, I wanted to know everything that Brady knew as far as Jason, the checks, you know, when I'm hot,
Starting point is 00:52:58 when it's a sight, when you're changing the protections, giving me everything that Brady knew I wanted to know. because if it had something to do with me, I wanted to hit the ground running. Sure. And I had an expectations that end up getting a hamstring injury that forced me out of preseason.
Starting point is 00:53:17 And so actually my first actual game was going out here, really doing it, was week one against the Jets. And so like I said, I was coming off a hamstring injury. But anyways, the rest is history about the 23 touchdowns and the record-breaking season. But like I said, I just wanted to know everything that Brady actually or possibly knew that could help my game out.
Starting point is 00:53:37 Not enough guys play this game through the eyes of the quarterback, man. It's crazy how much you can benefit off of understanding the whole grand scheme of things. And, you know, I think even at a young age, man, like playing quarterback, I felt like helped me out so much more because I understood the progressions. I understood, you know, where that position's eyes were before every single snap. Man, that's awesome to hear, brother, because it really did seem like you guys were in sync, especially if somebody was playing too lower, a safety came down, or you already know, it was up top all season that year.
Starting point is 00:54:14 I got to ask you, while we're on this quarterback receiver dynamic. Quarterback receiver drama is like a tale as old as time. I remember playing freshman football. Trave hears me bring this up all the time. I'm wide open. I'm getting mad at it. Like, will you throw me the ball? Like, what is happening here?
Starting point is 00:54:30 Why are you not so? I got it, when you're seeing quarterback receiver drama, are you always on the receiver side of things? Like, what, whose fault is it usually in your mind? I think it's a 50-50. And the reason why I say it's a 50-50 is because you take a guy like, I'm going to give you just a prime example of what we're looking at right now. You take a guy like Aaron Rogers, okay?
Starting point is 00:54:52 Yeah. And it's like Aaron Rogers has some bath rows where he looks, you know, where he might throw the ball to bathrobe. And then, like, it's nothing. No body, no body language, no emotion, okay? Then all of a sudden, the very next play or a couple plays, the receiver drops the ball. Now Aaron is all like...
Starting point is 00:55:15 Yeah, yeah, he's pissed. Yeah, he's pissed. So like I say, you know, not singling Aaron out because, I mean, he's had a phenomenal career and doing some great things. But when you look at, you know, to answer your question, Jason, I think it's just a 50-50 split because we have our times Traff where we're not in the right place or, you know, we might have went too far that the quarterback wasn't expecting us to be. But at the same time, they could get rushed and try to get
Starting point is 00:55:41 the ball out of our hands. But to that point, in the history of the game, Trav, you and Pat, as far as the anticipation of he knowing where you're going to be before you even turn your head or get out of your break, that should be studied. And I know. And I really, and I really, mean that and I'm not saying it just because you're sitting here on this podcast because I appreciate that. You talk about the art and the science of sports, but at the same time that quarterbacks are really made when you want to say, hey, I want to see my, I want to see my wide receiver create separation and get open. No, Patrick knows what the route is. When you're going to stop, your body lanes, and like I say, one of the, that's one of the most beautiful things to
Starting point is 00:56:29 see when it comes to a quarterback receiver combination is that of what you guys created. Man, I tip my hat to that. Man, that means the most comfort for you, big guy. And I'll tell you what, man, sometimes he surprises the shit out of me. I don't know because I'll turn my head around and maybe break off my route different or maybe even just run a completely different route than what's called. Right, right. And Pat is just right on cue, right on the money every single time, man.
Starting point is 00:56:55 He just knows. That's what happens when you golfed together. and you play drinking games together, man. You just sit down and have a beer with the guy. You start to get in his head. Well, let me ask you, just, you know, football talk, you know, like I told you, we could do this all day. All day, maybe.
Starting point is 00:57:13 Just our position. When it comes to the chemistry that you guys, between you and Patrick, that you guys created, how did y'all create that chemistry, bro? I mean, like, I know that you're going to say practice. I know, no, it's not just practice. like what type of belief that like y'all's conversation like how did y'all make that talk to me man tell me you already know i think you already know it's over it's it's all the reps it's all the reps but at the same time i think there is just a natural understanding of your backyard football like like pat'll tell you from the from the
Starting point is 00:57:48 get-go i used to come into i came into this thing with Alex smith he's he's more seventh step that ball's coming out you know what i mean and you got to be there pat's kind of like yeah i'm around myself seventh step, but I could, I could, you know, airtime on it, do something with my feet. My seventh step might not be. I might stretch my drop this time. So his timing is more just feel out the game. And I kind of have that similar timing as well. And I remember I went up to Pat one time and was like, all right, man, if they go this coverage,
Starting point is 00:58:17 I'm going to run it like this. I'm running like that. Hey, what do you think if I give him a nod here and take an extra, like, tick to get out of my break? He was just like, no, man, just get open. He just get open. I'll throw it when he get open. That's crazy.
Starting point is 00:58:35 He's like, bro, the guy's, he's trusting me to get open. He said, I don't care how you run this route. You just get open and that ball is going to be there on time. And it really shows that, you know, not trying to throw it. And Jason, I'm not going to leave you out, my brother. When I look at your game, I looked at more of your game toward the end of your career. And the reason why is because both of you, you guys toward the end of your,
Starting point is 00:58:59 or at the end of your careers, you were playing at a high level. So they both basically put the Kelsey brothers together. And I would have to ask, Jason, when we talk about jell and when we talk about chemistry, throughout your whole career, who is that player? And probably is going to have to be a guard.
Starting point is 00:59:19 That you would say, hey, dude, I would just have to give him this look and he already know, we're going to mall whoever's in the front of, is that player in your career that you just it's not even worth it's a look who is that player that's tough i had so many of them i would say the guy that i knew like we didn't even need to communicate we were just always on the same page is probably brandon brooks like brandon brooks who he he only he won a super bowl with us but and he had a shorter career he was incredible he was big strong and he had a good
Starting point is 00:59:55 feel for the game. He was an athlete playing offensive line. Oh, wow. The best lineman I played with like Howard Mudd used to teach the game like, what's pass blocking? He'd like, how do you play basketball? Just the quarterback's the hoop. Just keep them in front of him. I'm like, coach, I need some more
Starting point is 01:00:11 technique. I need you to give me something more than that. But guys that conceptualized the game like that were the most fun to play with. When you play with guys that were too robotic and too much like an offensive lineman, it was harder to adjust to the in-game stuff happening. If you know what I mean, like, I didn't even
Starting point is 01:00:31 need to say something to Brandon. We just both knew with this guy in this position, the linebacker right there, that we were going to hit the block this way. Right. Like, why else wouldn't we hit it that way? But another guy, you might have to communicate with throughout the week. Like, hey, we really need to take this one more vertical. Hey, you take more of them. I'm going to push him on top you because of this backer's going to fall off if he's in a stack position on this play. Right. But Brandon knew it. Isaac Sayamalu was another guy. guy that knew that. The best field player I ever played with was Jason Peters. Okay. JP. Okay. JP, we have an alert call. I'm not going to say it because they still use it,
Starting point is 01:01:06 but he would alert me that there was edge pressure. Okay. And I'll be looking out there. There's no safety cap. And I'm like, man, how does this dude know that this pressure is coming? I'm like, whatever. I'm going out there. Sure enough, they bring the nickel, right? There's certain guys that just understands spacing and alignment. Right. And those guys were so valuable on game day because you didn't need the coaching on the field. They just could go out there and play. And those are the guys that I always yelled with the best for sure. The Lane Johnson, I got to throw him up there too. That was like my second brother for a long time in Philadelphia. Like we got drafted two years after me. We did our whole career together. Still doing his thing out there.
Starting point is 01:01:46 Right. I just didn't do a lot of communicate with Lane. Lane was more all the way out there on the edge. It was more like you said, guards. Well, I got to ask you guys. I know this is y'all was interview, but, you know, I've asked that I know Trav, I know everybody's speculating. Jason, you first. I know what I missed when I told the people that, you know, I was going to hang it up and I remember crying.
Starting point is 01:02:08 And my wife, I remember hearing the car door slam. And my daughter or my wife came in and I had to, you know, wipe my face and do all that crazy stuff because I didn't even want to see. I didn't want it. I didn't want my wife and see like, baby, what's right with you? Nothing. Yeah. So I think to my point to my question, you know, Jason, when it was time for you to call it quits,
Starting point is 01:02:29 what's the number one thing in your mind you knew you were going to miss about the game? I knew I was going to miss competing and playing and game day. What I didn't know I was going to miss was the locker room. And everybody tells you you're going to miss it. Oh, man. But it's hard until you remove from it that you really understand that there ain't anything else that replicates this. Like guys from all over the country,
Starting point is 01:02:57 you're coming together for a specific task. Yeah. It's just, that ends up being for sure what I miss the most. It's just being in the locker room with the guys. And I'll purposely go back still to try and get that. But yeah, I think that's the,
Starting point is 01:03:13 and then I also miss the regimentedness of it. Right. Does that make sense? Yeah. I mean, I'm happy I don't have it. But I also, there was a self, like there was a productivity in my own head that I knew every day I'm going to go in,
Starting point is 01:03:27 I'm going to do this and I'm going to do this and I'm going to lift and I'm going to watch tape, and then I'm going to go out and dominate on game day and I'm going to do it with my boys. Right. That's the way I would answer it. No, that was mine because I'd say there's all types of things that you could actually say, but I think what mine was the locker room itself, senior brothers, you know, men from different walks of life that you're coming together for one call. So like I said for me, Trav, you know, the reason why I asked that because, like I said, I know the time is coming.
Starting point is 01:03:55 I don't know when, but I know, you know, the time is coming. I don't know if this was the last or if it was it. But if there is, if this was the last, what do you think that you will miss most about, you know, the game? Man, I think it's just those moments in the big games, man. The feeling of having to rise to the occasion be there for, you know, 70, thousand that are all counting on you out there outside of just the guys that you go to war with or you guys who go to battle with man those moments of of rising to the occasion in the heat of the battle uh you know in the playoffs and and and all the big games out there man those that's
Starting point is 01:04:37 a feeling that i know i'll never get again and i think that's that's uh that's something that um you know those are those are the things that you cherish the most and especially you know if If you're fortunate enough to be in the playoffs and make runs at it, man, the satisfaction that you get and the successful feeling you get of all the hard work that you put in, it's finally paying off. And I think that'll be one of the things I missed the most, man, for sure. Well, look, I know we don't, I don't know how much time we got. But mine, you know, from a football standpoint, when we talk about a moment, you know,
Starting point is 01:05:12 Jason, you talked about the, you know, the competing part. I had a 14-year career, and, you know, I've had a lot of moments, but I think really the 23 touchdowns is, I think the moment, I think the moment for me, because being a kid, Travis, more like seeing Jerry Rice. I mean, Herman Moore was a big tall receiver that Barry Sanders had in Detroit, seeing guys like that that I grew up and then coming into, that's why I was just telling you guys of what it felt to be, just seeing Miles Garrett break that single single single.
Starting point is 01:05:45 and sack record because like I said it's not an individual thing but when you have an opportunity to go break a record you know as an individual that was my you know moment you know surreal moment for me of all the hard work that I put in Jason yeah out of your whole career there's one defining moment for you not yeah not the eagles not the media for you as a ball player what's your defining moment throughout your professional career that you put you that you can hang your hat on We had a lot of successful years where running backs had a lot of yards. You kind of take that a little bit. Like, I had something to do with that, right?
Starting point is 01:06:22 Like, you bring up the touchdown record that you hold or that you broke. Like, there are, it is an individual record, but it is kind of a team record too. Right, no doubt. There are other people, and that's the greatest thing about this game. Right. But I would say, honestly, for me, I had an awful season in 2016, played like trash, right? Like, almost got cut from Philadelphia. A lot of people don't even remember it.
Starting point is 01:06:45 Philadelphiaans do probably. But the next year, I put a lot of work in in the offseason. I started getting better with my technique. And it was like everything clicked so much better that year. I made my first all pro. Okay. That season following me having just an awful year really catapulted me into what ended up being my career. Okay.
Starting point is 01:07:10 That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. This was really, the defining moment was the response I had to almost getting cut, almost like everybody thinking I'm on my way out of the league. Fuck that. I'm going to go in here. I'm work my ass off.
Starting point is 01:07:24 Right. I studied my technique, got better with my leverage. And I came back and it was the best year of my career. And we happened to win a shootball on top of it. Okay. So 2017, I was on cloud now. So I didn't have, I didn't break a touchdown record, but I broke the Jason Kelsey record. for office line.
Starting point is 01:07:44 That's it for me. For me? For me? Oh, man. I'd say the coolest moment was being on the mountaintop with Jason, man, playing in the Super Bowl against the Eagles the first time and being at the Super Bowl with Jason, having our family kind of get put on a pedestal. Our mom was the NFL mom of the, you know,
Starting point is 01:08:05 she was on every TV screen left and right because her two boys were playing each other in the Super Bowl. man. That was when I look back on some of my favorite memories, man, being on the field, both being captains there for the coin toss, looking at each other from across the field, man. It's just, it's a memory I'll never fucking forget. And that was definitely the pinnacle, man, the guy that I started doing this thing with when I was five years old in the backyard, just throwing the ball around. I don't know if I ever asked you. The first touchdown you scored against the field of Eagles, I know you remember it, Travis. Was that like you taken out an entire
Starting point is 01:08:41 frustration of being a younger brother in one moment. He's just getting my ass beat. We got to pull up the highlight. This dude caught a shovel pass at like the 20. Okay. Went all the way down and jumped. Like he lost into the end zone from the five. Jumped into the end zone.
Starting point is 01:09:00 I had never seen this like 15 feet. Randy, you know when you get the ball on a fast break and you just see the lane. Yeah. And you're just like, I'm going up. I'm taking up this. It was like Jordan, man. Oh, gosh.
Starting point is 01:09:11 Yeah, no, 100%. Yeah, that was for getting my ass beat all those years when I was younger. I finally had a chance to make it even. Yeah, he's officially way more athletic than I. It's no question. Thank you to our sponsor, Allstate. Checking Allstate first could save you hundreds on car insurance. That's smart.
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Starting point is 01:11:06 And, you know, they sit up here and say, hey, man, you look like you can still play. I really believe the way that they changed the rules of the game that I could really still go out there and give a team close to double-digit touchdown. I really still believe. I mean, I can still get up on the rim. I can still dunk a basketball, okay? Okay, okay. And so me just being able to go up and just use my hand-out coordination and body control,
Starting point is 01:11:35 and I think that's one of the biggest things because I sit up and talk about you got Moss every week and I talk about the DB, not getting his hands around and talk about the hand-eye coordination that the wide receiver needs. I think that's very important, you know, as you get older, no matter, you know, how old you get, like Mike Evans is still, you know, still out here making play.
Starting point is 01:11:56 And you think about it, Mike Evans was not always the fastest wide receiver, but as far as his athletic ability that his hand-out coordination, just put it in his vicinity. So to answer your question, I still think I can still go out here and maybe get close to, you know, 10, 11 touchdowns the season. Would you be open to it?
Starting point is 01:12:15 If a team called, is Randy answering the phone? Where I'm at right now as far as, you know, my, you know, happy, happily married. My kids are thriving and, you know, doing their things. I think for me it would have to be the right call, the right team. Because the only thing I'm really missing right now is a Super Bowl ring. So if the right call and the right opportunity came and the team gave me an opportunity to come out there just be a red zone threat, I could put that 80-fold back on once more time. Let's go!
Starting point is 01:12:42 Hey! Are you kidding me, man? You're getting me, he's thinking about you doing this, man. This shit's epic, man. Philip Rivers got everybody thinking we just, just one more, just one more, baby, just one more. Philip Rivers had everybody around here.
Starting point is 01:12:57 He had people like, had Cam Newton cutting up on his podcast. He had everybody around that played the game of football, really thinking they could put some WD-40 on them joints We still come out here and make something happen. I love it, man. Are there any, like, quarterbacks right now that you're like, man, I would go crazy playing with that guy? Quarterback-wise, there's a lot of quarterbacks that I like.
Starting point is 01:13:23 And the reason why Travis, just because the game has changed. Oh, yeah. You know, so much of guys just been in the pocket. But, you know, Pat is phenomenal. and not just being just going back there just slinging the ball. One of the things that you said
Starting point is 01:13:41 about your quarterback and I'm not just saying that because you're, you know, we're sitting on this podcast. I just think that a quarterback being able to buy time
Starting point is 01:13:49 for his past catcher is very important. You know, you have guys coming through here like Jason, I remember you telling the stories about you going against Aaron Donald. You know,
Starting point is 01:14:00 all of them, all, I mean, guys are so bigger, faster, stronger now. in this day and age in this game. And, you know, having a quarterback to be able to give you a little bit more time
Starting point is 01:14:11 to work your craft is what I look at right now. And I think that if you're just talking about three quarterback that comes to mind, I love Joe Burroughs game. I love Patrick Mahomes game. And then, of course, you know, I think it would be, you know, a guy like Josh Allen. I love his game. Yeah, can't beat it. But like I say, I just think just more of the quarterbacks,
Starting point is 01:14:33 being able to buy some time because I love. I could say, you know, you're getting doubled, you're getting triple. Well, let me work through this double and this triple coverage. And like I say, Trapp, you've done it plenty of time. So answer your question, I think those three guys really stand off the charts right now. That'd be a good one right there. Is it true you never stressed on game day? The thing about stretching on game day with this.
Starting point is 01:14:53 And hopefully you guys can definitely attest to this. It's kind of more like getting down and touching your ankles or, you know, loosening your hamstrings up. That's not the stretch that I meant. Meaning that if I see you across the room for me, Trava, you're sitting over there bumping in your head falls, well, I'm a bunk with you. Then all of a sudden, we're going to start jumping around before we're
Starting point is 01:15:15 going to know, we're both sweating. So basically, that's what I meant that I don't stretch on game day. I rely on my brothers to help me stretch. So it's more all of the, you know, the jumping around that we do all the, you know, I don't really, well, I mean, some guys have a little false enthusiasm in there. But like I say, it's just more of the getting around your. brothers and, you know, us, you know, bringing, bringing the energy out of one another. That's my strategy, baby.
Starting point is 01:15:40 That's my strategy. You got to do it together, too, man. It's, you can't just let one guy try and be it, man. Everybody's got to bring it. We got one more for you, though, Big Dog, and then we'll let you get out of here. As someone who's perfected the lateral, I've taken notes from the legends of this game. Yeah, yeah, you have one of the most iconic football plays of all time. Can you walk us through that whole play?
Starting point is 01:16:03 Was that, like, a designed situation? No, it was really, we actually were playing the Broncos at home. And I remember, you know, of course, the last play. And I think that at the time, my quarterback Dante, Dante always had a strong arm. But I think in that case, I don't think that Dante could have got it to the end zone from where we were. So he rode out to the right. And I remember that it was more like just a hell married. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:16:31 And so he throws the ball and I get up and catch it. And the one thing about it, you know, being a past catcher, Travis, like, we have to decide kind of like at the last minute, do we want to hands it or do we want to body it? So it was more like in the situation, the ball was hanging in the air a little too long. And I said, what do I do here? So basically, I bodied the ball. I got up, I bodied it. So when I came down out the side of my peripheral, I see a purple jersey. And now we're on the court, and now I see an open-up.
Starting point is 01:17:08 You know the number. You're not a number. So like I said, man, anytime I see that play, it's kind of like 11 guys, you know, playing heads of football. Because like Jason, you said it's not the moment. It's everybody doing their job. So, yes, I know that I got the, you know,
Starting point is 01:17:26 recognition from throwing it on my head. But Jason, where would I be if you guys, my offensive line at the time? would not have held it up for Dante, the offensive line, the running backs protection. Like I say, a lot of the things that we accomplish, you know, on the football field has to do with 10 other guys. That's why I've never ever singled myself out as an individual, no matter what the play looks like. I know that 10 other guys have to do their job for me to accomplish mine. Iconic, dog.
Starting point is 01:17:54 There's been a lot of 10 other guys accomplishing jobs in the NFL. Nobody has ever lateral to a ball like that. And nobody ever played the game like Randy Moss, baby. Randy, thank you so much for joining us, dog. I do not want to get crazy on the ending in the show, but to let you guys know what being on this show really means to me, you already know what I was battling, you know, throughout, you know, my cancer and just coming up on my one-year anniversary.
Starting point is 01:18:24 I told you guys about my brother and what, you know, my brother went to Ohio State, my brother ended up dying. I went to the Hall of Fame in 2018, all right? My brother passed away in 2019 and, you know, things wasn't, you know, great as a relationship. When I tell you guys, when I look at you guys and see the things you guys love and your relationship, it's a, when I say that I get jealous about it, it's not a jealousy, jealousy. It's more on that I wish I would have had that type of relationship. relationship with my brother.
Starting point is 01:19:01 And the reason why I'm telling you this, because I remember after y'all's game, Trav, you came up and kissed your big brother on a chute. Do you remember that? Oh, yeah. I remember it. If there's anybody in all of sports history, football, basketball, anything that really felt that regularly laughed? Hey, you guys, where's it at?
Starting point is 01:19:28 Y'all get me some, man. No, man. I love you, dog. You already know what I'm doing. Hey, congratulations on your success, man. This podcast and your career, man. Thanks for having me on, guys. Much love to you.
Starting point is 01:19:39 God damn, man. What a just a special dude, man. The best. The absolute best. He's so fucking down the earth. And so just himself, man. And he's always just being the most giving person. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:19:52 If I, he's the most shirt off your back kind of guy, man. And we got to get you. We got to catch a fish with the. big guy. I just started getting into the old wildlife, man. Fishing is one of those things, bass fishing specifically. I haven't really done. I've done a bunch of fly fishing, as you know, trapp. Bass fishing is one thing that I've never done. Everybody raves about it. Even fly fishermen, they'll talk about taking poppers down and hitting the bass, especially like in June, July, once they start coming up, water gets getting warmer. You do some top water fishing
Starting point is 01:20:20 and they really attack it. Apparently, it's a lot of fun. So we'd love, I mean, I've jump at the chance to get some fish with Randy Moss. Do you think Randy's ever Moss to fish? Straight cash, homie. Come on now. I don't even got a stretch on game day. All right. Well, appreciate Randy Moss for jumping in.
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Starting point is 01:21:07 Which dog breed best describes you guys, one for on field and one for off field? And the follow up with all of these, players as dogs or cats because, well, players as dogs. Players as dogs. Players as dogs. Players as breeds of dogs. All right. Where are we starting with this? Since Seals knows, there's no such things that I'm question, especially about pets. Let's start with the first question. What is your on-field dog breed? Are we repeating this?
Starting point is 01:21:35 Are you just asking you? This is going to go in. I'm just going to help. I'm going to walk us through this one. What dog breed is me on the field and what dog is? Who is Jason Kelsey on the field as a dog? Off field, I feel like I'm a bloodhound. Just like that bloodhound on the porch with his lips sagging over the sides of his teeth, like just not moving unless he smells.
Starting point is 01:21:56 something and then he's getting after it and it's time to work? No chance. I don't, you're so active. That's what I'm saying. You're such a liar. No, you have way too much energy. You're just all over Italy. Look at what you're wearing.
Starting point is 01:22:12 That's when I smell. That's when I smell something. I'm in. When I get a scent, I'm active. You get a lot of sense. You are getting a lot of sense. I got a good sense of smell. Okay.
Starting point is 01:22:20 Okay, I'll buy it. All right. You've kind of talked to me like half into it. It's fine. still you are not you present so much lazier than you actually are you are so fucking busy you can ask kiley kiley kiley am i lazy am i lazy am i lazy am i lazy see she said no she said no no she said no you are a hardworking man you are not because i think i'm very lazy you are not you are not sitting on the porch waiting for a
Starting point is 01:22:53 No, you're a fucking go-getter. You're out there, hunting. You're out there, hunting. All right. Who's Travis Kelsey? Travis Kelsey, off the field? I mean, it's got to be like a golden retriever, right? It's like just like, all-American, freaking great personality. Everybody loves them. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:23:12 Like to be active. They'll play fetch. They'll play some fetch. You throw a ball. Travis's going to go get it. Harry's fuck. Yeah. I can see that.
Starting point is 01:23:19 Shetting, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. On the field, which will we go first? Travis? Yeah, on the field, Travis. Who is he? I don't, damn it, I wish I knew dog breeds, man. It definitely changes. I'm not as nice on the field. I feel like I was still pretty friendly, but I'm a competitive. Good ball skills. You're still kind of like, yeah, you're an active, active one. So are we in the retrievers category still? Or like a short-haired pointer? I mean, you kind of, you kind of threw out the Irish Wolf Iound out there. And I at first, I said no,
Starting point is 01:23:50 because I didn't think they had good hips because I got really good hips. Dude, they can run. They can run. They got some viciousness to them. They're not big ball skills. They're really not vicious at all, unless you're a crown dog.
Starting point is 01:24:00 Oh, okay. Well, that's the only time I've only seen them out there playing. No, they're not interested in chasing balls. Hmm. You got to love that as a tight end. You have to love the chasing the balls. You got to be willing to do the dirty work. What about like a German Shepherd?
Starting point is 01:24:14 I mean, German Shepherds could get huge. They're still like large breed, but they're not that big. Yeah. Don't can be wrong. I'm not fucking, I'm not like the grunks and the Jimmy Grams of the world. You know what I mean? Like, those guys are like three inches taller than me. You're six, four and seven, eights.
Starting point is 01:24:28 Yeah. I feel like you're a great pyrenees on the field. Oh. They're like herd protection dogs, right? So I'll put them out with the flock in case any wolves get nearby. So he'll get physical. I'll give you great pyrenees. I like great pyrenees.
Starting point is 01:24:40 And I'm a team guy and they run backs. That's right. Yeah. I'm in. All right, I'll take a great pyrenees. Great Pyrenees. Because they also, like, from a distance can kind of give you a lab,
Starting point is 01:24:49 look, they're just much bigger. I like that. Yes. Yes. They're friendly as shit, too. Everybody's down. No, they can be. I think they can be. They can be. They can be. They can be, but they're also like, they were bred to protect. Where are the Pyrenees mountains? Now we're a way sidetracked. Are there Pyrenees mountains? That's why they're the Pyrenees. Oh, didn't know that. Southwest Europe.
Starting point is 01:25:11 Between France and Spain. There you go. Yeah. All right. Who's Jason on the field? What dog is Jason on the field? Dude, he's a special breed of O-line. It's like you got to have, I don't know what, see, I don't know dog breeds like this. I need help. I'll do a mastiff. I like a mastiff.
Starting point is 01:25:26 You're like a Commodore. Protector. It's got to be another herding dog. I'm looking at the herding group here. What are like a Belgian Malinois? Not bad. Herding? Why do we want a herding?
Starting point is 01:25:37 Well, like, you're an offense of lineman. You're kind of like, you're in the protection realm. Yeah. I buy that. But there's like hurting dogs. Like it can't be as athletic as a great Pyrenees. Oh, have you ever heard of, um, Oh my gosh, it looks like a fucking, it looks like a lion.
Starting point is 01:25:51 Maybe he called something a lion. You're talking about African. Chow chow? No, it's like an African. It looks like a lion. I think it's called something African. Maybe it's Alaska and something with an A. I'm thinking like something that isn't like overly like athletic just like is going to stand
Starting point is 01:26:09 its ground. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to protect the house. You know what I mean? Tibetan Mastiff. Tibetan Mastiff. You ever seen them suckers? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:26:19 That's a big boy. Yeah, I can see it. Oh, man. That's a Jason dog. Look at that guy. Trying to figure out the hairyy one. Look at that guy. That's a Jason.
Starting point is 01:26:29 Yeah, an ancient guard dog. Hell yeah. That's a fucking guy right there. That's Jason Kelsey. Pull it around the edge. That's Jason Kelsey. Tibetan Mastiff. Let's go.
Starting point is 01:26:41 I knew there was some sort of Mastiff. I knew it was on the right track. All right. Where are we in? We can click. What's the rest of a football team? What are we looking for in a quarter? quarterback.
Starting point is 01:26:50 Quarterback, you want a good leader. See, that's that German Shepherd. Yeah, I was about to say German Shepherd. I would say Border Collie, but I don't know that has the size. I don't want Border Collie would be a good safety. I think Border Collie is safety or defensive back. You see it go after the freaking, uh, Greenpeace, like they're very good in space. Because I was also thinking Jack Russell on defense, too.
Starting point is 01:27:08 Jack Russell? Yeah, no, they're scrappy. No, they're scrappy little guys. Put him at, where else are they going? What do you mean? Where else would you put them? Oh, I'm not put him on offense. No, on defense.
Starting point is 01:27:18 Oh, I'm not. I think if you got a defensive back or like in your nickel. I would say maybe a nickel. Maybe a nickel. I feel like Jack Russell's more. It's like outside. Jack Russell terrier. It's like a little small dog.
Starting point is 01:27:29 So I think the dog from the mask. I think they were bred to like hunt mice maybe. They will wreck some mice. I don't know. I love those dogs. Those dogs don't, they don't need to be on the football field. Oh, wow.
Starting point is 01:27:41 No, I'm telling you, they play, they play bigger than their size. Who are they guarding? Who's our wide receivers? What were side? Okay. So if we're going German Shepherd, German Shepherd quarterback. What are you putting out there whiteout? Greyhounds?
Starting point is 01:27:50 Yeah. I wonder with Greyhounds that they don't have great ball skills. Dobermans. I was going to say, Dobermans are D-Ns, right? They got that big chest on them, too. It could be linebackers, maybe? It could be linebackers. It feels like more of a defensive position.
Starting point is 01:28:04 I kind of like... Doberman feels like a defensive dog, right? So who's your wideouts? I want a Belgian Malin-Wa as all my linebackers. They're very good dogs. I like Border collies at Corner. Border collies at corner. That's good.
Starting point is 01:28:16 I don't think they got speed. Border collies? Bro, they fucking fly. Not compared to like a taller dog. Dude, they fucking fly. They can move. Border crawlies can move. They can move, but I think they're more safety movement.
Starting point is 01:28:28 I don't think they're... Corners got to be like the fastest dog breed. So what are you putting there? That's where your greyhounds cutting in or greyhounds might be too... They might not be agile enough. That's what I'm saying. That thing. Greyhounds don't want it bad enough.
Starting point is 01:28:40 Greyhounds don't want it bad enough. Okay. Have you met a greyhound? No. Grounds don't have that dog in them. They're very skittish. Never met a greyhound. I've been on the greyhound.
Starting point is 01:28:48 Greyhound so many times, though. Okay. Yes. Yes, it's yes. Love the bus. Okay, where are we at? What about running back? What do you want it running back? Linebackers got to be Belgium out. What's the one, not the German Shepherd, but there's another dog breed that is fucking unbelievable. More athletic than a shepherd, but a little bit. Visla. Vicholas are my corners. Those things can fucking haul ass. They're agile as shit. I might even put it a wide out. Ooh, that's a good choice. Wichla? Whip it at wide out? Whippets like your Darren Sproles Kind of line them with a lot of places
Starting point is 01:29:20 Little kind of sneak in it I want to throw What kind of offense are we running? If I'm on a Shanahan-style offense I'll put a whip at a runnerback And he'll get yards Okay so we've got quarterback We got running back
Starting point is 01:29:29 We did not say running backs We did not say a running back Running backs okay I'm trying to think of a dog That has that mentality I guess maybe We're putting Doberman on defense right? Yeah
Starting point is 01:29:38 Doberman's on defense Border collie wouldn't be a bad running back Water collie is not a bad But I feel like I want Border Collie going out I can see Border Collier receiver. They're like the number one Frisbee dogs on the planet. Yeah. Got to be receiver.
Starting point is 01:29:48 Border Collie, Wymeringer. What are Rhodesian Ridgeback? Is that too big? Can run power with him. Wymeriner's not a bad one either. You also have the Australian Shepherd. You could run the Australian Shepherd out of your backfield. Keep the Border Collie on defense.
Starting point is 01:30:00 Australian Shepherd's what you want out of the backfield. It's too pretty. Running backs can be pretty. Oh, Jake just said Dalmatian for Running Back. I don't love that. Ew. Yeah, that's why Jake's not invited to this. Australian Cattle Dog?
Starting point is 01:30:13 Kind of another, like, herding breed? Low to the ground? I just feel he's got to be a little bit bigger. You're running one power out of this thing. What's the blue healer? Ooh, I'll do a blue healer. It's not a bad. I'll do a blue healer.
Starting point is 01:30:24 No. What about like dogs that are sled pullers? What are like a husky? Or a malamute. Husky's not a bad choice. I don't hate Husky. I mean, I think that's the team, boys. I think we got it.
Starting point is 01:30:33 Do you sit, whatever our de-tackles? We didn't do detackles? Ooh, de-tackles, yeah. Maybe that's your chow. I mean, that's got to be your big, just fat, freaking. Yeah. St. Bernard. St.
Starting point is 01:30:44 and getting freaking slobber all over the place. St. Bernard, defense tackle. I think we're good. That's our team. It's not a bad team. Okay, I'm being asked to recap the team real quick. Sorry, at quarterback, we had German Shepherd. Running back, we did Husky.
Starting point is 01:30:57 Let's do a sledding dog. Our wide receivers, what did we throw out there? That was our Border Collie. Didn't we say the Greyhounds? I thought we said Greyhounds don't have good ball skills. We can do both. We have one Greyhound, one Border Colley. There you go.
Starting point is 01:31:10 Border Collie for sure, though. Got a Greyhound to take the roof off the thing, but then Border Collie can freaking run all the route. Good call. We're in the crossing routes, crossing routes with the Border Collie. We can all look to say? Yeah, tight ends what do we have? Great Pyrenees.
Starting point is 01:31:21 Great Pyrenees. All right, we'll miss in here. Defensive tackle, St. Bernard, defensive ends. We had our Dobermans. Linebackers were Malinois, safety, Border Colley. Vesles at corner. Okay. That's a team.
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Starting point is 01:32:36 Add New Hight Show with one after funk lifts throughout the week. And thanks to our New Heights production team, we appreciate you guys more than we could ever say. And to the 92 percenters, We sure love you guys for listening to us, laughing at us. Thank you. Randy came on and we talked to him about the Edelnut story, the infamous giving you the nickname Edelnut. And he gave us a little more information.
Starting point is 01:33:05 He said he was actually on the phone with his mother and you were swearing. And that's why he called you Edelnuck because you were being a little, were you swearing in front of Mrs. Moss? Let me clarify this story. This is on Christmas, Christmas Day. Yes, yes. We're in a locker room. It's Christmas. You know, early day, no post meetings.
Starting point is 01:33:24 We get to go have a good dinner with the boys. Everyone's jolly in the locker room. I go to Randy. I go, hey, Randy. And I can hear he's talking to his mom. I said, tell Mama Moss, I said, Merry Christmas. Randy goes to me. He goes, Edelna, if you ever talk to me while I'm talking to my motherfucking mom, I will slap this shit out of you.
Starting point is 01:33:42 Or something. And I'm a rookie. I was so scared. I was like, oh, man, I just disappointed him on Christmas. What's going on? I probably was cussing. I'm sorry Mrs. Moss if you heard any cuss words.

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