New Heights with Jason and Travis Kelce - Shaq on NBA Finals, Joining ESPN, Kobe Stories, Being the Black Kelce & A Big Slick Recap | EP 142

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Starting point is 00:02:26 I'm Travis Kelsey. This is Jason Kelsey. And we're also your host, not just your friends 92% of subscribe on YouTube, wondering plus wherever you get your podcast and follow the show and also to media at new height show with one as Jason tell these people what we got coming up today. You got it.

Starting point is 00:02:42 Going down today. Oh, yes, it is. Welcome to another great episode of New Heights. We got one outstanding lineup for you today. We're gonna talk about out of the house. Are we kept from our time over there? Big slick. Look at some of the biggest news coming out of the NFL

Starting point is 00:02:58 and OTAs. And we also have a huge guest, literally a diesel guest coming in hot. NBA Hall of Famers Shaquille O'Neal will be joining us on the podcast today. That's right. Big Aristotle. Guys got the best names. We'll get his thoughts on the finals inside the NBA moving to ESPN, his new Netflix documentary and more.

Starting point is 00:03:21 Can't wait. Cannot fucking wait Superman himself. Hold on. What? We got a little munchkin over there. Am I going in the pool today? I we yes I turned the heater on the pool will not be cold. Freaking bougie.

Starting point is 00:03:39 Yeah. Well that's what happens when you raise those suburban kids Jason. You're right. You're right. I told Kylie we should have raised them in West Philly and she was like, there's no chance. Oh yeah. That's how you get cultured right there. All right. But first, before we get to all that, we're going to start with New News. New News. That's right. New News is brought to you by American Express. Let's talk about a little beer bowl action. Beer bowl is back. For those of you that don't know what beer bowl is, every year, me, the Eagles Autism Foundation and a bunch of Eagles go and do an event down

Starting point is 00:04:18 at the shore on Wednesday. We do a guest bartending event. Well, we've started doing an event on Thursday called Beer Bowl that has been associated with this podcast. And we went back and forth on it and we decided let's do it again. Why not? Let's run it back. It is fun. Beer Ball is back for the third year. And the reason we're telling you now is because we need teams to be submitted. That's right. That's right. People will be held on Thursday, June 26 in Seahull and we need 92 92 percenters to send us your team submission videos. Yes, sir. We are solely judging these based on team name costumes. The most importantly, just the vibe. Drinking ability is a part of the vibe. But listen, if you're funny, charismatic, energetic, that's what we're looking for.

Starting point is 00:05:06 Because that usually makes for a better beer bowl for everybody involved. Big change from the previous beer bowls. Now I don't think we're not making a New Heights episode this year. We're going to still have a video go out on New Heights or something like that. We're going to figure that out at a later date. Yeah. But because it's not going to be a New Heights episode. I will officially be competing. That's right.

Starting point is 00:05:26 This well, when I was going to win me and Bo Allen will be competing this year. Oh, never mind. Now we know who's going to lose. If you would have been competing with Kylie, you guys would have won. Kylie does not drink beer. Oh, I shouldn't say that because we have a beer company. Kylie does not do drinking games. That's not true. She does drinking games. All right. I don't know what

Starting point is 00:05:47 to say. Yeah, me and Bo Allen will be competing. We obviously will not have the chance to win money, but we can I guess I don't even know how that works. Somebody's gonna win money. We always do a cash prize. I think last year we did $50,000. Let's do $50,000 again. Damn. Well $50,000 cash prize if you win beer Bowl. We would love to see the defending champs return. Santa's, oh gosh, what was it? Santa's, was it revenge? I feel like it was Santa's revenge, right? Oh no, I wasn't there last year.

Starting point is 00:06:13 Brandon, you remember? I think Santa's revenge is right because it was Santa and his helper. Yeah. And they fucking crushed. They killed it. Santa's revenge. Yeah, they were good. Santa's revenge, we'd love to have the defending champs back.

Starting point is 00:06:23 Birds of War have been twice now competing in it. We would love to see them back for their third year. It's starting to turn into a tradition. We have all sorts of fun things lined up in the Bay. We have a blob. That's right. We have a blob this year. You son of a bitch. You're going to have to sign a waiver. You're going to have to sign a waiver. Trav, you're more than welcome. You're more than welcome to come. I know you're at Titan U, but it is the last day of Titan U. You could sneak out a little bit early and come down for the festivities.

Starting point is 00:06:47 Just saying. Deadline to submit your team is Wednesday, June 18th. That's when we're going to announce the teams and who's invited to compete. What games are we playing? We're still figuring that out. Kind of open to suggestions. Different than last year? You didn't like the format last year?

Starting point is 00:07:01 The problem is, like everybody wants to play like beer pong, but the problem is beer pong is just not a fun game to sit there and watch. Do three cup. The games need to be action packed, more quick, dude, you'll be shocked to how awful people, like watching people miss turn after turn is not fun. You got to have faster paced games. I'm thinking more double dare of beer, right? We need flags, we need beer drinking, maybe incorporate the blob in some way. Do a little beer obstacle course or something. I love that. We do have an obstacle course in the water, like an MXC obstacle course that's inflatable. We can definitely do that.

Starting point is 00:07:38 We can incorporate that. Again, anything in the water, you're going to have to sign a waiver, ladies and gentlemen. For sure, for sure. Baby bottle chug is banned. That was the most miserable thing I did last year. That was horrible. It was horrendous. And same with the caps. Oh, the beer caps? Yeah, that was a big fail.

Starting point is 00:07:52 Yeah, the beer caps, that was a fail too, unfortunately. When you get those for $15 a piece on Amazon. We should play Stumps again. We gotta figure out who's hosting it. The easy answer is Kylie, but I feel like we need somebody dirtier. Nah. We'll figure it out. Yeah. All right. Either way, it's going to be an awesome event. It's hard to not have an awesome event when you're down at the Jersey shore in

Starting point is 00:08:13 the summer at the old old D baby. Looking forward to it and looking forward to seeing these team submissions. Alrighty. Up next, busting with the boys update. Our guys over at bin with the boys update. Oh, baby. Our guys over at Bustin with the boys, Will and Taylor responded to us talking about the Nebraska Cincinnati matchup at Arrowhead and and they hit us with a little wager. They responded. They said loser of the Cincinnati, Nebraska game goes to the winners podcast.

Starting point is 00:08:42 That's right. Yeah. And and I think we need to we need to up the ante a little bit. It sounds like a win-win for everybody. Yeah I think we need to up the ante a little bit. Maybe um. I do agree. First of all we agree to the terms. 100% agree. We're in. Loser will show up which I'm excited about because you've been invited on Bustin' with the Boys. I've never been invited on the fucking show so I got to get out there. Oh yeah. I'll actually see him here

Starting point is 00:09:04 in about a few weeks at tight I knew and I probably still won't be on there cuz Cincinnati's gonna beat the fuck out of them We gotta figure out a little swords be we gotta figure out There's got to be some other level of Bet here, right? Okay. What are we thinking? Embarrassment, right? You know? Yeah. I mean, do you have to show up on the other podcast wearing the other like swag?

Starting point is 00:09:30 Maybe the mascot? Man, I mean, I did that for Texas Tech. You did. I don't want to I don't want to reuse a bet. And I would sure as fuck feel stupid wearing a goddamn corn huskers. What is Nebraska's? It's not just a piece of corn, is it? It's a farmer. Really? It's like the a piece of corn, is it? It's a farmer.

Starting point is 00:09:45 What do you mean? It's like the corn husker, yeah. It's literally like a farm. Can I see it? Oh, I think I've seen it. I think I've seen it. You've seen it. It's got the big head.

Starting point is 00:09:53 It's almost like a lumberjack, yeah. You're right, yep, I've seen it. I think he's got the overalls on. Overalls, yep, for sure. It's iconic, I fucks with that mascot. According to Perplexity, this is the Nebraska mascot. There he is. Nope, not overalls. Jeans though. Jeans.

Starting point is 00:10:06 No, I think, I think there's been iterations with overalls though. Yeah, look. Yeah, there it is. Yeah. I'm thinking of the old school one. Yeah. I've seen this motherfucker in overalls. I love that they're, they're mascot. We're invented in Nebraska. I love that their mascot is basically just Cam Juergens. That's my favorite part.

Starting point is 00:10:30 This is just Cam Juergens as a vision as the mascot of Nebraska. Lil Red. Lil Red looks inflatable though. The other guy, I'm fucking with the other guy. Do we want to do mascot head? Let's send it to the boys to see what they think. Mascot head, but only the head. Naked from the neck down. So both of them have to wear a version of it. That's the thing. One of us, it's two and two. So one person wears the mascot head. What does the other person wear? Damn it. We didn't think about this. We just got to wear swag. It's like one of us, it's two and two, so. So one person wears the mascot head, what does the other person wear?

Starting point is 00:11:05 Damn it! We didn't think about this. Yeah. We just got to wear swag. I feel like we got to incorporate the mascot in some way. Yeah, no. They have to wear a Kelsey Bearcat jersey on our podcast. We have to wear a Wilcomton jersey on their podcast.

Starting point is 00:11:20 I feel like one person has to wear the mascot, whoever decides to do it. I'll wear the mascot since you wear the Texas Tech if we lose. All right. We'll throw it. We'll throw it on Will and Taylor on who's going to do what on their side. If you agree to the bet. It'll be good. They'll agree.

Starting point is 00:11:36 Well, I guess maybe they'll come back with something better. All right. That does it for new news brought to you by American Express. Let's get to that out of the house section, trap out of the house. Me and Jason both got out of the house this week. And how about that? I brought him over to good old Kansas City. It was awesome.

Starting point is 00:11:54 That's right. You got to stay at the place and head head down to old Big Slick, Kansas City's best event. Mm hmm. I can proudly say that it's unbelievable what everybody at Big Slick puts on throughout the entire weekend. Obviously, it starts with the softball game and then they visit all the kids at the Children Mercy Hospital and then a huge, huge gala entertainment night where they really bring in some of the most unique human beings,

Starting point is 00:12:27 not just from the city of Kansas City, but from all over and just friends of friends of the guys that are really the main crew that run this thing, which is Paul Rudd, Rob Riggle, Jason Sudeikis, our guy. Stone Street. Stone Street, Eric Stone Street, David Keckner. I mean, you name it. There's so many Heidi Gardner's now. So big on SNL. I think those are the six, right?

Starting point is 00:12:51 Exactly. So it's, it's a lot of people have been coming to it for countless amount of years. I can't even, I think they're up to like 12 to 16 years somewhere in there in terms of what year this was. And it just keeps getting bigger and bigger. Every single year I look up at the board at the end and just like oh my god they just raised an entire million dollars more than what they raised last year. What? And it's all for an amazing cause. It helps families pay for surgeries that don't have the resources and really helps out kids and saves lives. And it's such a beautiful evening, it's such a beautiful week that they do this with. And I couldn't be more proud to be a part of Kansas City

Starting point is 00:13:32 and be a part of Big Slick year in, year out, man. Absolutely, no, it was truly remarkable seeing the amount of support from the audience and people willing to lend their time and money to this event. And also the celebrities that were willing to lend their time and money to this event. And also the celebrities that were willing to lend their time. I mean, there's a lot of people there. It was a huge night.

Starting point is 00:13:51 It was my first one. I basically invited myself when Jason came on the show. I don't know if that's how you do it. I mean, I was hyping it up. I was like, dude, if there's one event you want to go to, this is the one. You've been hyping it up for years. So, but no, man, it was aping it up. I was like, dude, if there's one event you want to go to, this is the one. You've been hyping it up for years. So but no, man, it was a lot of fun. It was just a lot of joy.

Starting point is 00:14:11 And it was a lot of just incredible people all compiled together. So it was awesome. What was your favorite part of the gala, the entertainment night? My favorite part was probably the video at the end, even though it wasn't like the hilarious part that the rest of the night is and shenanigans, but the part with Peter. Mad Fientist It's the part that stuck with you the most, man. Jeff Yeah, I mean, that's it really brings it full circles while you're all there. You know, Peter was one of the kids that was at Children's Mercy and they were following

Starting point is 00:14:39 him before the event and they always do that. But this year, unfortunately, Peter passed before the event. So, it's just so much more transparent of like how much you're actually affecting families lives people's lives by supporting this wonderful organization so that was probably my favorite part of I mean I was literally crying in the back of the freaking stage so yeah it was intense yeah it got everybody man. Outside of that. I don't know. I mean, meeting Johnny Knoxville. I'm being honest. I met a lot of cool people this weekend. I met a lot of awesome people. But countless of my youth hours have been spent

Starting point is 00:15:20 watching Johnny Knoxville do shenanigans with his friends. Yeah, no, that was incredible. He's epic, dude. He's every bit of, you know, I mean, who he's portrayed to be on film, and he just has a good time, man. You got to love it. There were so many just awesome people. I know I've said that about 8,000 times, but it was... No, man. They really are. It's a good time. They really are. They get a good cast. Yeah, and Jason, you went shopping. You went shopping in my closet. Well, I stole. I went thieving. I told you, I was like, dude, you grab whatever. Yeah. We wear the same

Starting point is 00:15:56 size now, dude. We're one of the same. I'm fucking stealing your shirts too. Boom. Well, mine is I still got shirts that are too big, but I got to start resizing my stuff. I like them oversized. Yeah, I got a lot of feedback that people are not a fan of the tuck. I'm a tuck kind of guy. I think the tuck is where it's at. I work hard on these legs. I'm gonna show them off. Show off that physique, big guy. If I'm putting on a flamingo shirt, I'm peacocking. You know what I mean? That rear end is going to be out. I'm not going to be hiding it under a baggy-ass shirt. You're gonna catch these buns son. Oh ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho there. I mean that's everybody's favorite I feel like. We also got a little uh Kelsey to Kelsey connection which the balls were a little slick. The balls were a little slick. You're blaming me?

Starting point is 00:16:52 Play the clip. Jason Kelsey snapping to Pat Mahomes. Here we go. He's in the middle. Does he know how to do it? Does he know how to do it? He's in the middle. Does he know how to do it? He treads the line. Does he know how to do it? Oh, look at this. Here we go. Watch the play.

Starting point is 00:17:07 Oh, look at this. Oh, look at this. Oh, oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Jason, you sailed it over my head.

Starting point is 00:17:17 About three tables too far. Thank gosh we had an athlete in the stands. He just saved somebody's life just by catching that rocket of a football. That was a nice little three-step in a crow hop though, I'll give you that. You just willy-beam the fuck out of this segment. I'm not blaming you because of the bad pass. That was my bad. I'm going up to that. I'm blaming you because I wasn't supposed to do this and you put this into my head

Starting point is 00:17:50 The bit was they were gonna steal my snap every time and then you said hey next time just go up there and snap Actually, you're gonna snap it and just throw it. So I'm blaming you cuz you gave me this idea It was your shenanigans that caused this Jason. You just got to be ready for the moment, man You got to be ready. You're right. I failed I'll tell you what you got it You got to rise out of the crowd the crowd got excited when they saw you drop back. Everybody's seen Pat Mahomes throw a ball in here. Let me show them how we spin it up there in Cleveland, Ohio.

Starting point is 00:18:14 Oh, look at that balance. Not bad in flip-flops. That's actually pretty good. There's a nice little spiral too. You just threw it, just sailed it. 10 feet too far. The funniest thing was Pat after is like, what am I here for if I'm not throwing the ball?

Starting point is 00:18:29 That entire bit was because it was supposed to be Pat throwing a football to a fan and instead they get Jason Kelsey botching a throw to a random person. You'll remember that forever, man. Yeah, no, it'd be good. Sometimes you just got to take over the show, but I get it. I get it. Who doesn't like to see a nice Kelsey to Kelsey connection, man, officially won't be invited back. What was your favorite part of the event? Oh my gosh, my favorite part of the event. I mean, I don't know

Starting point is 00:18:58 why I love running through the crowd and catching the football and like being amongst everyone high-fiving and everything. That's like the most like fun I have on there. But that looked like a lot of fun. It is. It's a blast. And you get to see faces, some familiar faces, some new faces and high-fiving and just making sure everyone's having a grand old time up there.

Starting point is 00:19:19 It's got to be Seth Herzog. Every single time he does this bit, I go into tears tears man. I wasn't ready for it. So Seth opened for the late night show. We told you that night. So I had already interacted with him a bunch. I saw a different side of Seth. This was a much more hair down type of Seth. Oh yeah. And it did not disappoint. No, we have a clip of that. We, I don't know if we have a clip of that. We got to find a clip of that. Yeah, we got to find another clip of that. But yes, Seth's performance every single year is epic. He never holds back.

Starting point is 00:19:52 He named his nutsack after us. One ball was me and the other ball was Jason. And we were honored to be. Yeah, we were honored. I've never been more honored. I'd much rather. I've been named after dogs a million times, but to be. Yeah, we were honored. I've never been more honored. I'd much rather. I've been named after dogs a million times, but to be named after a nut. How many people can say that? They call on us. I'm honored. Those things are doing. Hopefully those things

Starting point is 00:20:16 are doing work. Nice. Shout out to Seth. Keep fucking killing it. I have, I don't know what it is about Paul Rudd. I just love to hug him and pick him up and just squeeze the living shit out of him. He's such a good dude. He is. And he supports the living shit out of the Chiefs with his son Jack. And his son Jack is fucking tall as shit now. I remember seeing him our first couple years, he was still in like middle school and now

Starting point is 00:20:41 he's already in college and stuff now. So it's cool to see, I don't know how everything's like transferred over the years. And I remember the first year they did it in what is now the T-Mobile Center, but the Sprint Center at the time and how much money they raised. And I was like, God damn, they're raising this much money. And this year alone, they raised $4. million dollars for Children Mercy's Hospital which is absolutely mind-blowing but Kansas City is going to show up for their own and they're always going to make sure they look out for the ones that need help and that's why I love this city and shout out to everybody at Big Slick for yet again, another successful year of raising funds, man.

Starting point is 00:21:26 Absolutely. Absolutely. And I'm going to say Paul gets a lot of shine. I'm going to give Mandy Rudd a shout out. She's doing a lot of the behind the scenes work. Yeah. Yeah. The whole Rudd family.

Starting point is 00:21:39 You know it. That's right. That's right. That's right. It's everybody. Everybody's got a piece of the pie we saw today because his parents after and we saw Stone Street's family after it's just cool to see everyone got to see Keckner's entire family as kids. So it's cool to like be around everyone and get to meet everybody's, you know, significant others and their their family that kind of

Starting point is 00:22:01 makes them who they are. And that's that those are all the pluses that you get from being around the the big slick all weekend. No doubt. Alright, that doesn't feel out of the house. Let's get to some NFL news. Hey yo. We are less than 100 days from football being back. Yeah. It's coming. Okay, nice. Alright, now. The Chiefs are in the middle of their OTAs. Travis, how's it looking? How's the OTAs looking? Yeah, I was just back there last week. Got to see a lot of the rookies and get to, you know, jump on the field with the helmets and in jerseys and, you know,

Starting point is 00:22:39 just run around and see what this new fine tune offense is going to look like, or at least set the tone for the rest of the offseason and going into minicamp here in a few weeks. Speaking of the rookies, I know you just glazed over, but I want to, because one of my favorite tackles in the draft, I know he's coming back from the patella injury. How's my man Josh Simmons look? Dude, Josh Simmons is, he's first of all, a great dude. Great dude, seems like he's embracing his situation.

Starting point is 00:23:07 He's working hard to make sure that he's ready by the time season comes around or as healthy as he can be. You know, I've seen him over there working some pass sets and things like that. And it's just so you when you see the guy move, he's so balanced and he's such a big athlete. He's so balanced. I'm with you, bro. He doesn't seem like he's ever like top heavy or like he's his very his legs are strong. His feet are in the ground. He's very precise with this movement.

Starting point is 00:23:36 The guy's just he looks the part right now. He Yeah, exactly. And obviously he puts on pads and probably get a little meaner and and really bring a lot to the table for us, man. That position gets solidified. That would be such a huge help to the Kansas City Chiefs. That was a major struggle last year for them, but they also have another left guard. Who's playing left guard right now?

Starting point is 00:23:57 We got Kingsley, Caliendo as well as in there. Obviously we still got Trey Smith coming back. Nice, nice. is in there. Obviously, we still got Trey Smith coming back. So, um, we'll have some, we'll have some depth at guard and, um, and I think we'll have some, some good depth at a tackle as well. Good deal. Good deal. The Eagles also had their OTAs, uh, featuring coach Kels. That's right. Jake Kels out there showing them how to do the dance. That's right. You teaching them how to, I'm just watching some big guys move their feet and hit angles and double teams. I just love that I'm in the exact same position as Stout.

Starting point is 00:24:28 Like I'm just stealing all of his moves. I'm like hands on the knees. Making sure I creep down, look right at the right angle to see what it looks like. But I love watching especially new guys, the way they move and seeing things that they do well. And, you know, if there's anything I can kind of tell them to help them out or to spot something that I like about their game or what it is. I just like being there. It also keeps a lot of stuff fresh. Like for me, you'll notice this once you stop, Trev, like every year you're out and you're not having those conversations every day and you're not talking about ball. It feels like it just starts to kind of like, you almost

Starting point is 00:25:05 are worried that you're going to forget some of it. You know what I mean? So then you go back and then it instantly just kind of hits you like a lightning bolt. You know, it just kind of recharges your brain and all this knowledge that you've built up on something so specialized that, you know, very few people really understand the ins and outs of it. So. Yeah. So unique.

Starting point is 00:25:28 I like seeing the rookies. I like seeing the new guys that they brought in the off season. It's just fun to be in the building too. Hell yeah, man. So it was a good time. Did anybody thank you for saving the tush push? I have multiple people said good job for sure. Nice.

Starting point is 00:25:42 Yes. Nice. Got some good jobs. That's got to be worth. It's gotta be worth the flight, right? Way to go. Way to go. I think uh some good team efforts, good team efforts. I think the Eagles are pretty happy that that the proposal did not go through and that there'll be another year of tush pushes for sure. There you go. I would say it's not too late but you're down to 260. So, probably

Starting point is 00:26:04 no chance of you coming back. I was doing a little scout to him out there. I was a little defensive end. Defensive end? When they did the rookie period at the end, I got out there, put my hand on the ground. Nice. You just three steps and then peel off? I was doing nothing. I was running into him. I like to see what their hands feel like, to be honest with you. Oh, put your hands on me. Connor had already given me the heads up that one of the guys had some pretty good hands and a punch.

Starting point is 00:26:32 So, I was conveniently on that side. Well, let me see. I'll be the judge of this, Connor. Out there just getting launched. I wouldn't hate it. I wouldn't hate it. I love it. I'm weird like it. I wouldn't hate it. I love it. I'm weird like that. I wouldn't mind getting screwed up.

Starting point is 00:26:48 I'm a little fucked up. I like to like to get a little dirty. Break your nose. Cool. All right. Now let's keep this thing moving. It's cool to see you out there on the field again, brother. Before we get to Shaq, time for some no dumb questions brought to you by Perplexity AI.

Starting point is 00:27:05 Discover fast and reliable search with Perplexity AI today. From Animal or Anime in a Day Dude, out of curiosity if Kings Island or Cedar Point designed a Kelsey themed roller coaster, what kind of coaster would it be? How fast would it go? And how many times would it go upside down? Interesting. I don't think I've ever seen a ride where you're literally upside down the entire ride.

Starting point is 00:27:30 So I think that would be pretty cool. I love- Like you get in it and immediately just turn upside down and it fucking takes off. I like- That sounds really fun. I do love roller coasters that go upside down. I like ones that like spin you around.

Starting point is 00:27:44 I'm a big fan of those. I'm also a big fan of the high hills. Pete Slauson The big drops, yeah. Jeff Slauson I feel like that's not, I feel like a Kelsey theme is like a splash mountain. We're more of a splash mountain kind of crew. Pete Slauson You think so? I don't know. Jeff Slauson Yeah. But it's not water. Pete Slauson I thought it was cool. Jeff Slauson It's not water. It's something else you're getting splashed with.

Starting point is 00:28:04 Pete Slauson Garage beer? Jeff Slauson Garage beer. It's a lake of garage beer. You're forcing everyone to be drunk and get sticky. Oh no, you're just covered with it. That sounds miserable. Nobody's gonna go on this. What were your favorite rides growing up? Millennium Forest. Big drop. Big Dipper. I like wooden roller coasters. Sun and Bees was good too. Sun and Bees, yeah.

Starting point is 00:28:22 First wooden roller coaster to ever be looped. They had to take it down though because it was unsafe. Shockers. Yes, very unsafe. Sunabees. What else? I love the Manus at... The Manus. The Manus was a stand-up one. Cedar Point. Yeah. It was. What's the... The Raptor was the first one as soon as you go into the left.

Starting point is 00:28:41 Raptor was really good. That was really good. I looked up all of the Cedar Point roller coasters on perplexity. The Raptor is very good. I think they might have renamed it. Maverick isn't bad either. It's one of those ones where you go like forward and then backward, right? And one of mine, one of mine was like the power tower. You remember that thing? Power tower. One that you would just go straight up and straight down? Yep. Yep. It's like a drop on.

Starting point is 00:29:05 Oh my gosh. Just the entire time it just feels like you're free falling and then getting rocketed straight up into the air. That was also the most terrifying one for me because I was just like, there was just like the seat and then I was 40 stories up in the air. That one is scary. I would say it would have to be a mixture. I remember going to Disney Quest as a kid. We already talked about Disney Quest and you could literally create your own roller coaster at Disney Quest. That was very cool.

Starting point is 00:29:30 And I remember I just kept doing loops. I was like, I just want to keep going in circles, guys. That's a good point. So a lot of loops, a lot of big drops and you're upside down the whole time. Upside down the whole time. That's my roller coaster. I mean, people are going to pass out if they're upside down the whole time, right? No, not if you do the loops.

Starting point is 00:29:53 When you do the loops, you come back up and then you go back upside down. It's not a bad idea. Sounds pretty exciting to me. I also just like a good old fashioned Gravitron. Just spin that thing around really fast and drop the floor and then I'm stuck to the wall. No, no, no, no, no. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I know what you're talking about now.

Starting point is 00:30:10 Yeah. The one that was like a giant barrel and you would just like, it would just spin. Yeah. It would just be glued to the wall. You're an idiot. That was the most simplest concept ever. Sometimes simple is better. I don't know. That's it for No Dumb Questions brought to you by Perplexity.

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Starting point is 00:34:16 premium cheeses complete any grilled favorite. This summer top it with taste and head to your local Boar's Head deli to discover the craftsmanship behind every bite. Boar's head committed to craft since 1905. Yeah, look at that baby. Got the glasses on. He means business. You put those glasses on like it's Superman's outfit right there, baby. What up, brothers? The Diesel! Sorry I'm late. Oh, no sorries, man. How we doing, Black Kelsey? We doing good?

Starting point is 00:34:49 Oh yeah, we good. Black Kelsey, that's what they call me. That was so funny. Gold, man. Oh, gosh. All right. Who's the guy in the green fucking shirt? I'm Brandon.

Starting point is 00:34:57 That's intern Brandon. Sorry, intern? Oh, intern, right? Brandon. Oh, hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Oh, gosh. All right. Who's the guy in the green fucking shirt?

Starting point is 00:35:05 I'm Brandon. That's intern Brandon. Oh, intern. Hi, Brandon. I'm doing my best. Make my way up in the world. Yeah, yeah, you're good, Brandon. Thank you. Let's roll.

Starting point is 00:35:16 Our guest today is seven foot one center from Louisiana State University. That's right. He's a 15 time NBA All-star, four time NBA champion, three time finals MVP, a league MVP, Olympic gold medalist, and an NBA hall of favor. You know him as the big shamrock, the big Aristotle, the Superman, Shack this, The day's all we got him. Simply Shak. Aka the black Kelchee brother. Let's go. 92 percenters can you dig it? Please welcome Shaquille O'Neal.

Starting point is 00:35:48 Yeah baby. You know what's crazy? I was thinking if we would have grown up together we would have fucking been crazy. Us three at the same high school I would have been fucking crazy. It would have been so fun. Been fucking crazy. Us three at the same high school, I would have been fucking mayhem.

Starting point is 00:36:10 We would have had a blast, man. You would have blended in perfectly in the Heights, baby. Yes, I would have. Man alive, appreciate you joining. Well, how we doing? I can't complain. Thanks for having me. You know, I love both of you guys.

Starting point is 00:36:23 I want to say I'm proud of both of you guys and I appreciate our friendship. I know we don't see each other a lot, but when we do see each other, it's all love and respect. Always, man. Even though I am who I am, I'm still a fan of the game and the family of sports and the way you two gave your all. Much appreciated.

Starting point is 00:36:40 You know it, baby. Thank you so much, man. Yeah, we took notes by how you played it and how you've done it in life. Hell yeah. I'm still taking notes by how you played it and how you've done it in life. Hell yeah. I'm still taking notes by how you did it. You gotta get me on the DJ booth man. You gotta teach me your ways dog.

Starting point is 00:36:54 Yeah. Brother, I got you. I got you. Whatever you got. You know what's crazy? You are opening up for your girlfriend, bro you'll be a fucking star. 10 minutes, 10 minutes, hyping up the crowd. Oh my God.

Starting point is 00:37:08 I got a nice little ten minutes for you. You know I'm a hype man. You can get a rocket in there. So good. Have the Swifties bouncing off the walls before it gets out there. Speaking of Swifties, your brother did something nobody else in the world can do.

Starting point is 00:37:20 He walked me right over. I got to shake her hand. Oh nice. And she was with Ice Spice. I was more on Ice Spice than I was on your woman but thank you. Oh my god. Ice Spice. Hey, boo boo. How you doing? That was awesome. That was awesome. That was that was the Super Bowl. I like to remember. No, man. I appreciate you saying that, man. You mentioned this already. You were on Inside

Starting point is 00:37:50 the NFL and you said if you played in the NFL, you'd be known as a Black Hellz. We're going to play this link for anybody that hasn't seen that clip yet. We thought this was one of the funniest things we've ever seen. Brandon, can we play the clip? Let's go intern. That's what happens when you have interns that work for you. He's on your ass. Intern. What NBA players do you think would transition well

Starting point is 00:38:11 into our sport? Me. Tight end. Wait, wait. Yeah, I like this. No, no, no, no. You're too big and too much of a target to play tight end though.

Starting point is 00:38:20 No, I am not. You know what they would call me? They would call me the Black Kelsey. That was my man, Ocho Singo giving it back to you. A lot of people don't know this, that when I was coming up, football was my sport. Okay, so you played. Yeah, I was football all the way and I was really good.

Starting point is 00:38:41 I used to tell people, Tuta Jones was my father. I really played. I played a nose guard on defense and I played tight end on offense. That's what I'm saying, baby. I knew you were tight end, man. I used to bring the pain. Yeah. I can only imagine. All the kids in school, they used to talk trash. This was in the days was like in the days when you could like rough people up and try to hurt them. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 00:39:07 It was that guy. It was encouraged. And then one day, It was encouraged. And then one day my junior year, I scored and a little freaking dude hit me on the side of my knee and I was out for about eight weeks. So, football is my thing.

Starting point is 00:39:21 And then my father came in the house one day and smacked me in the back of the head with a paper. It's like, you need to fucking stop playing football and focus on basketball. And when I opened up the paper, John Konkak had just signed 15 for three. Oh wow. Yes, so I'm like, first of all, who is John Konkak?

Starting point is 00:39:39 My dad was like, I got some tickets, we gonna go watch them. I was living in San Antonio at the time. So the Hawks were playing the Spurs. And no disrespect to John Konkak, he was an NBA, he was a pro, he was a good player, but. And a lot of money, it sounds like. Yeah, he made a lot of money,

Starting point is 00:39:53 but I was doing the things in high school like he was doing in the pros, and I was like, shit. If this dude was making 15 for three, my dream was to make eight million for 10 years. That was my old dream coming out. dream was to make eight million for 10 years. That was my whole dream coming out. I wanted to make eight million for 10 years and I had it all set up. I wanted a Mercedes Benz.

Starting point is 00:40:11 I wanted a Jimmy Bronco. I wanted like, that was my whole thing. So I started playing basketball, but I used my football pain experience when I was playing basketball. Like when I turned with the elbows up, I'm trying to knock your teeth out your mouth. So, you know, people always go back to the Hacker Shack Like when I turned with the elbows up, I'm trying to knock your teeth out your mouth. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 00:40:25 So, you know, people always go back to the Hacker Shack and they say, oh, he got filed a lot. I never felt it. That's because of my football prowess and my football experience. But I think if I would have stuck with football, I probably would have definitely made tight end. Like I hate when people look at me and be like,

Starting point is 00:40:41 oh, you'd be a good offensive. I'm not a lineman, I'm a showman. In the 90s for sure. You running up and down the floor. I can see it right now. If people that say that don't remember Orlando Shaq, right? They don't remember him running the court like that. That's what they don't remember. We had a play in high school on the goal line. Alley-oop on

Starting point is 00:41:02 three. Yeah, alley-oop on three. Yeah, I go five, five yards in and turn towards the corner and you just fucking throw it up and I would fucking go get it and snag it. I used to watch. I'm about to go to Coach Reed right the fuck now. Yes. I used to watch Kellen Winslow. Oh yeah. And all those guys. Yeah. So yeah. So you know, football was my sport. That's awesome. I believe it every time they asked me to do these these rosters build an NFL roster who you pick and I'm

Starting point is 00:41:30 picking Shaq every day of the week because you did play basketball like an NFL player. Like anybody that watched you play in the post is like, yeah, that dude could rush the pass or he could catch the ball. Like he can do it all. I don't know. Just put him out on the field. I ain't worried about it one bit. I'm gonna send you I'm gonna send you a picture of me winning my first punt pass and kick contest. Yes!

Starting point is 00:41:50 At Fort Mamas, New Jersey. Man, please send that. Please send that. Did you have the whole outfit on? No, I just had like sweatpants and the things. T-shirt and everything, because the one I, Coach Reed has one out there where he's got the full Rams get up on

Starting point is 00:42:06 The helmet the shoulder pads the oh man. It's hilarious. I saw that was that him when he was really Yeah, that's him. That's every kid out there. That wasn't him I saw that clip the other day He was dominating them little kids. I have to ask you this right off the jump, big guy. Was it not allowed for you to go straight to the league or did

Starting point is 00:42:33 you just want that college experience or that LSU experience? It was but my father was so big on education. I got it. He was really big on education. I got you. He did a great job of teaching me horror stories.

Starting point is 00:42:46 Always tell the story and you know, some people may take it the wrong way, but I really appreciate what he did. The day Lin Byas passed away from coke, my father came in and touched me up very nice. And the message was, if I ever catch you doing drugs, I will fucking kill you. So, I didn't know who Limp Boss was, and he came in the house fucking crying, uniformed, and he's like, and he just fucking grabbed me. If I ever catch you with coke, I will fucking kill you. And in my mind, I was like, Dad, we drink Pepsi.

Starting point is 00:43:17 He was like, no fucking, no seriously. I mean, I'm like, I think I'm like 13 at the time, but he felt like that was his son. He felt like a guy that had it all, was going to be the number one pick, get drafted by the Boston Celtics, and he made a terrible mistake and he passed away. So I never did that. Always stayed away from that. But every time an athlete got in trouble, I was sort of getting in trouble for it. So every time I became a professional athlete, all the stuff that was

Starting point is 00:43:48 in my mind, especially athletes that five years after they play, they don't have any money. I was really, really conscious about, you know, business and saving money and, you know, doing the right thing. So hell yeah. I'm telling you, Dezel, I'm still taking notes by how you're doing stuff you've done in such a professional way, a professional way, your professionalism on the court, off the court, in the business world, man.

Starting point is 00:44:11 I've been taking notes for a long time, man. You've been doing it the right way. Well, thank you. I appreciate it. And I'm taking notes from you guys, too. You guys are doing your thing. Do you ever wonder what it would have been like playing in like today's NBA with all of the social media and the podcast

Starting point is 00:44:25 and it's like you were a larger than life NBA figure, not just as a player, but like major motion pictures coming out in like what do you mean? Kazam? Are you fucking kidding me? I was about to ask him why he stopped being in the acting world. Hey, second favorite Genie second favorite. I'll give Robin Williams a nod. Robin Williams gets one, but Shaq is getting

Starting point is 00:44:48 my second favorite genie ever, yes. So I always tell athletes it's okay to be professional jealousy of somebody else. Like I'm jealous of you guys. Guys podcast is fucking killing, he's making money and everything, but instead of using that to create envy, I use that to create motivation.

Starting point is 00:45:07 So to answer your question, if I was playing, I'd be a trillionaire. No, I wouldn't. Because when I use social media, I said to myself, like, when I first got on social media, I was showing off. And then my mother got on social media, she was so disappointed.

Starting point is 00:45:23 She's like, baby, you don't have to show off your gold chains and your cars. So I had to figure out a way to use social media. So I use 60% to make you laugh, 30% to inspire you. Like if I see something inspirational or cool or anything, I'll forward it. And then the last 10% is, hey, this is Shaq for beatbox. This is Shaq Vice, yeah. This is Shaq for ICS.

Starting point is 00:45:45 So I do it like that. I probably would have had the same method growing up and I would have made so much money and then- I'm writing this shit down. I'm telling you, this is brilliant, man. Business mind. And then you got a lot of bombs making a lot of money. And you guys know this, like, if it's a tight end

Starting point is 00:46:01 making a certain amount, he's making more than you and he did that, you're going to use that as motivation. Oh, this motherfucker had 12 touchdowns and he's making 100 man. You're gonna go out and get 19 touchdowns and then just tell your agent, hey, they're giving me a new deal. So I would definitely love to play in this era. I will still bring the football pain. And I will be different. You know, I'll be watching these podcasts and say, oh, Shaq

Starting point is 00:46:25 couldn't play in this error. He couldn't guard the three. They're out of their minds. It would be simple. As soon as Joker shoots a three, I'm gonna run right past him and I'm going to pulse up in the lane for a hundred seconds. So if you hit the three, good, but I know by the time we get the ball in and throw it down, I'm definitely gonna hit the two. You hit more twos than you hit threes. So I would probably only shoot a three like if we got up. But I would not go away from my strength.

Starting point is 00:46:52 My strength is power and height. So I'm going to take the high percentage shots because if I'm averaging 30, it's an easy job for my agent. If I'm standing out there shooting threes and averaging 15, it's a tough job. But if I'm averaging 30, you know, scoring a lot of points in my age can say, Hey, Rudy Gobert got 250. Me and Shaq, we want 700. We want 700. If Rudy's getting 250, that's what I'm saying. Ten times more dominant. So the numbers got to make sense. Do you think the modern NBA is missing that aggression in that way?

Starting point is 00:47:24 Cause it wasn't just you that used to play that game like the post it used to be a much more physical game all of sports nowadays you know you can't hit anybody baseball you can't even fucking block the blade at home like that was one of the reasons one of the reasons I wanted menace like after the Cavs got eliminated one of the reasons I was rooting for the Timberwolves is because Anthony Edwards looked like he was mad the entire game. Like, at least this guy's showing some aggression. I like the way this guy's playing. Like. Exactly. You're right. I wish in this thing of ours, it was ran by us. I hear you. I like that. Like, for example, when you guys retire, the NFL just like brings everybody in, but like, okay, you,

Starting point is 00:48:00 you, you, and you. You got all these people that are changing the game. Like, our NBA All-Star format is terrible. It's tough, man. It's terrible. It's tough. It used to be the most exciting weekend of all sports, man. I don't know what's in charge, but it's terrible. So, to answer your question, the league is getting soft,

Starting point is 00:48:19 the game is getting soft, and it's gonna take a couple of people to bring it back. Like, I don't, I hate big guys shooting threes. Victor Wimeyon is a great player, but I would love to just see him dominate so much that people start complaining and they change rules. Like when I do, I could shoot, but I'm not gonna shoot a three. Why would I shoot a three when I could put your little eyes in the basket and dunk on you?

Starting point is 00:48:41 These balls in your face. I'm getting so freaking fired up right now. That was amazing. Before we get to your documentary, because I definitely want to pump that up, man. I got to ask you now that we're talking about balls in your face. What what exact who do you think gave you like the hardest time playing? Like who defended you the best? Um, what teams did that or?

Starting point is 00:49:12 The little guys always defended me the best. The Charles Oakley's. Cleveland's finest baby. The Anthony Mason's. Yeah. The four, the four guys I had a problem with. I didn't really have any problems with any big guys. The big guy that taught me the most valuable lesson is Akeem Olajuwon.

Starting point is 00:49:27 Because the year we made it to the finals, we beat Michael Jordan, the greatest player ever. So I already felt the job was done. Then we had 10 days off. And living in Orlando, you're going to restaurants, it's standing ovations, and you're getting extra deals, and it's the parades, and me and one of my other teammates were jumping on private planes,

Starting point is 00:49:48 we're going to Miami and partying because I like to get ready three days before but you got 10 days off. I couldn't be like this for 10 days. So I'm like, you know what? Let me take a couple of days off. We definitely gonna win. I'm playing against the king.

Starting point is 00:50:01 We won one, we won one. He's the same size. We definitely gonna win. But he taught against the king. We we won one. We won one. He's the same size. We definitely gonna win but he taught me never to celebrate too early. So, when we played in the finals, I didn't see that a king and they had just won a year before. So, they were going for back to back and he just **** taught me a lesson. So, I always said to myself, if I get back to the finals again, I'm going to dominate so **** much that it won't be a question of who's

Starting point is 00:50:23 going to win. So, you know,, he kind of got his way in that finals. Me and Dave Robinson, probably even me and Tim Duncan, probably even me and Patrick Ewing even me and Alonzo even like we always try to cancel each other out. I couldn't stop them. They couldn't stop me. But the guys like Charles Oakley and fucking Carl Malone, the little guys that can get into your level. Get leverage underneath you. Yeah. Get leverage. guys like Charles Oakley and call him alone. The little guys that can get and get into

Starting point is 00:50:47 get leverage underneath you. Yeah. Yeah. Get leverage. Yeah. Those are the ones that gave me props. Rick Mahorn had this move because he was a big body. He put his body on you and then as soon as I go backwards, he would move and I would ****

Starting point is 00:50:59 fall off. I'll pull the chair on you. Yes. Yeah. That move right there. Yeah. That's crazy. Let's go ahead and shine some light on the new documentary called Power Moves out now on Netflix. We got the trailer, but if you want to, please tell us about it. Yeah, let us know what we're getting into.

Starting point is 00:51:16 So when I was coming out of high school, I went to Nike and I went to Reebok. Reebok gave me my own deal because, you know, I wanted to have my own shoe and all that. So I went to Reebok. Reebok gave me my own deal because I wanted to have my own shoe and all that. So, signed with Reebok. Got away from Reebok a little while. Started my own shoe brand, which is still out there.

Starting point is 00:51:34 Shaq brand, still doing very well. So now, I'm sitting around one day, and again, this is like this professional jealousy thing. So, I go see a lot of kids, right? And I get them whatever they want. Hey man, what you want? Shoes. So one kid was like, hey, I want some Jordans.

Starting point is 00:51:49 So I bring them, I bring a whole bunch of Jordans to the place, cause I don't really care. Like if Jordan, the Under Armour, whatever the kids want, I'ma take care of it. So the kid goes, no man, I want some Jordan 11s. I'm like, what the fuck is Jordan 11s? Right? And so I go look, and Jordan got all these fucking shoes. So now I'm jealous and I'm going some Jordan 11s. I'm like, what the fuck is Jordan 11s? Right? And so I go look and Jordan got all these fucking shoes.

Starting point is 00:52:07 So now I'm jealous and I'm pissed. I'm like, where are the Shaq ones, the Shaq two, the Shaq three? So I call Reebok and he was like, hey man, we've been purchased by Adidas and we're not really doing much. Like, what do you mean we're not doing much? We need to fucking do a deal now.

Starting point is 00:52:22 We get some Shaq ones, two, three. So the company that I'm with, Authentic Brands Group, I went to my guys Jamie and Corey, and I was like, man, we need to buy a Reebok. Because I remember at the time, we were never number one, but we were never number three. We was always a respectable number two. They got Mike, we got Shaq,

Starting point is 00:52:40 y'all got LeBron and Kobe and all those guys, and we got AI. We was right there in the conversation. The first valuable lesson I learned, because when I came in I was like, hey man, where's the high tops? They was like, we don't do high tops. Like, I don't give a fuck what you don't do,

Starting point is 00:52:53 we're doing high tops. We're doing high tops. Come on now. I brought my son in to help me speak the language of these youngsters, because as you guys know, these fucking youngsters are crazy. Different dudes, man. Different dudes, man. So, these fucking youngsters are crazy. These are fucking cute. These are different dudes, man.

Starting point is 00:53:05 So, my son was very smart, you know, I told him very well. He knows that he can't confront me. I said, dad, I want you to come to the tournament with me. So, I go to the tournament, he's like, I don't want you to watch the game, I just want you to look at all the shoes. And I'm like, okay, smart guy, low tubs. And I'm talking 20 fucking courts, not just one court.

Starting point is 00:53:27 It's like a stadium full of courts. Low tops, low tops, low tops. I was like, holy shit, everybody was right. We don't even do high tops no more. So we had to come back and change my attitude. But like I said about the championship experience, I said, okay, I know I'm the president, but pipe down a little bit and you don't have to,

Starting point is 00:53:44 you know, come in with your shoulders all broad. Just listen to the people and see what they say and just be a great teammate. So we launched our first shoe in Janay. And the first sign I had to make was Angel Reese because I know her. Oh yeah, the LSU connection. That's right. She's the type that. So I went to her and said, listen, I could do something nobody's going to do for you.

Starting point is 00:54:05 What's that? So I can give you your own shoe. You want to go to Nike and wear everybody else's shoe or you want to have your own shoe? Like it took Asia Wilson, the best player in the league. She's been in the league all night long, but she just now got her first shoe. I said, I can do that for you right away. So that was my first signing. We're going to go young. I signed a couple of young guys and we're just going to, you know, regrow the brand and, you know, just keep, you know,

Starting point is 00:54:27 putting ourselves in position because it's a lot of, it's way too many shoe brands out there now. When I was coming up, it was Nike, Reebok, and maybe Converse and maybe Puma. And I'll say this, not to interrupt you Shaq, please do this and do it right. Because there are so, not only there's so many shoe brands, they're all such shit.

Starting point is 00:54:48 They're made so cheap. They don't feel good. Trav knows this. I've been complaining about cleats in the NFL for like the last, what, 10 years, Trav? Like something has happened where, I don't know if they've gone to cheaper materials or what's happened, but my feet like don't,

Starting point is 00:55:02 it doesn't feel right. It's definitely the materials. They're going for lighter materials and you guys have a shoe deal. Trab does. I got on the field deal. Yeah. Off the field is that's just I wear Jordans on the field like they're there because they have that old school retro Jordan high top from the 90s that I really am. I don't know how long your deal is, but whenever you want to

Starting point is 00:55:24 talk about Kelsey cliques at Ree Yeah, I don't know how long your deal is, but whenever you all want to talk about Kelsey Kleeks at Reebok, I could fucking walk you in. Come on now, baby. Dog, you are getting me so excited. I'm serious. I could walk you in personally. I got the key card. We get the football pumps going, baby.

Starting point is 00:55:39 OK, well, so hey, whenever you all want to talk business, let me know. Reebok was, they were sponsors. People forget, they were the NFL sponsor when I first got in. Oh hell yeah. They did everything. All of them. Jersey, you name it. Adidas did a wonderful job by purchasing them and then taking all their deals.

Starting point is 00:55:55 I was like, it was actually a brilliant move by Adidas, but now we're coming back. All right. Love it. This is awesome, man. I cannot wait to see power moves out on Netflix now. Did you and Iverson, did you have any sway in bringing Iverson to Reebok or? Yes, because I'm at the point in my life

Starting point is 00:56:15 where it's never been all about me. And I realized that I was the man in Reebok, but AI took it to that next level. Oh yeah. Because again. His inspiration throughout the league is crazy. Throughout the world I should say. I'm a big guy and you know I know I'm loved by many

Starting point is 00:56:31 but little guys are always loved and always admired for some reason. Hey man I got a question. Hey don't be selling that. For some reason. I ain't buying that. AI is big but AI, come on now Shari come on. I have a question.

Starting point is 00:56:44 Don't be saying that. How come they didn't use you is big but hey, come on now, Shaq, come on. I have a question. Don't be saying that. Alright. How come they didn't use you a lot of the Super Bowl? I know you're **** pissed. Like, I don't want to get you in trouble but because I know you're on TV.

Starting point is 00:56:54 You already know. We were trying, we were trying to use all the pieces, man. No, no. For whatever reason. I didn't know. I didn't know. I need the pieces to help us win the first **** Super Bowl. Yeah, don't be trying to do new **** Like, I don't want you to say anything in trouble, but I wasn't happy about that.

Starting point is 00:57:06 I'll say, I appreciate that. I appreciate that. The Eagles are doing a pretty good job of bracketing me and shit like that. Stop it. Will you fucking stop it dot com. Stop trying to be fucked. I'll tell you what, you don't have to talk,

Starting point is 00:57:19 but I'm gonna talk for it. Coach, coach, he's fucking 6'8", throw him the goddamn ball. Single coverage, double coverage, goal line, it. Coach, coach, he's fucking 6'8", throw him the goddamn ball. Single coverage, double coverage, Muffin, goal line, Alioub, coach, that's the play you call it. Alioub, baby. Alioub, I'm telling you, I'm going to Coach Reed with that one right now.

Starting point is 00:57:35 And wait till you see this year, baby. I'm coming back with a little bit of Shaq fucking pissed off. And ready to rock and roll, man. I know you are. All right, let's talk about the finals. How about that? What are we thinking? Pacers, Thunder, who you think is gonna take it?

Starting point is 00:57:50 I think it's gonna be a very interesting finals. You get all these experts talk about, oh, the big market teams aren't there? Well, the big market teams ain't fucking good enough. They ain't good enough, it is what it is. So now you got Shea Gilder's Alexander, who's the best player in the league. Okay. And you got a guy on the other side, Tyrese Halliburton, call him overrated. You kick his

Starting point is 00:58:12 father out the stadium. You know, you're starting off at Madison Square Garden, you're never going to win there. And they pull it off and they win. I think it's going to be very exciting. I think it's gonna be very exciting. I think it'll either be a sweep or close series or OKC win 42. Like you talk about Shea and you talk about Tyrese, they're probably gonna, well, I don't wanna say level each other out. I know Tyrese gonna do his thing, Shea gonna do his thing, but J-Dub scares me.

Starting point is 00:58:41 J-Dub, that motherfucker can play. If he has great games, OKC by far. But if Indiana can somehow slow him down, I think they have a chance. I think it's gonna be fun to watch. You got two young teams that they run. They shoot threes. I think it's gonna be very, very interesting. I'm actually doing game one and two. So I will be there live in the flesh and I'm gonna get a better feel at the game too. But right now I think OKC has a nod for everybody thinking they're gonna win, but Indiana's not gonna quit.

Starting point is 00:59:12 I believe it, I believe it. I'll tell you what though, man. OKC is about three hours from Kansas City. I might have to go up and catch a game. No, you take your ass to OTE and you're fucking crazy. Listen, I'm working, I'm working, but a three hour drive after practice isn't terrible. I got a question.

Starting point is 00:59:30 What does OTE stand for? I always hear that. Jason knows this one, I don't know this one. Organized team activities. There you go. Oh, OTAs, okay, got it, okay. I'm like, I'm always wondering. I always thought it was off season training activities

Starting point is 00:59:44 and some shit. And are they mandatory? No. Okay, good. Yeah, I'm like, I always thought it was off season training. And are they mandatory? No, we got you got you got four days. You got four days is mandatory. Every team has a mini camp where it's mandatory. OK, because I see you guys on the water parks and smacking ass in the video. I'm like, I'm going to be at the OTA. So I ain't gonna say no name. So I'll let you figured it out. I'm like damn, smacking ass.

Starting point is 01:00:09 It's a different world. That was a wild video. I love. You played in the finals six times Shaq. What is there that's, that I guess is different about playing in the finals as opposed to the rest of the postseason or regular season? It's different because whoever you think you are, whoever they say you are, now it's time to prove it. First time I went. It just fucking got me fired the fuck up.

Starting point is 01:00:38 It was hot damn. First time I went, oh, he's the new face of the league. He'd be Jordan, him and Penny, or the next Magic Johnson. And then we get swept. So now I'm fucking pissed. So now I gotta come in the next season and try to do it all over again. It's like making a fucking perfect sandwich

Starting point is 01:00:56 and it's your last piece of bread and you fucking drop it. And you fucking drop it. Not only do you drop it. Everybody knows that feeling, man. Yes, I'm saying. Not only do you drop it. Everybody knows that perfect sandwich. Not only do you drop it. Everybody knows that feeling, man. Yes, I'm saying. Not only do you drop it. Everybody knows that perfect sandwich. Not only do you drop it,

Starting point is 01:01:08 you drop it on the dirtiest fucking floor and the heat goes over here. You see a fucking bug run on top of your bread. So now you're like, fuck, I gotta stall all over. And then, as you know, being great athletes, it's not guaranteed the next year. Nope. So then I fucking go back and I lose again.

Starting point is 01:01:25 Then I was like, you know what, I'm going to another team and then you get swept and then you get swept and then you lose and then you get swept. You just fucking, it just, ah. So I've always said to myself, if I get back, I'm gonna let people know I am what I say I am and I am what the fuck you think I am and I'm gonna prove it.

Starting point is 01:01:44 So that's why that first final, I tried to damn to average 40. Like I always said to myself, you need to average seven points a quarter, and then maybe eight points a quarter when you get to the postseason. But I was like, you know, I need to average 10 points a quarter.

Starting point is 01:01:57 Free throws and I needed to somehow average fucking 40. So when I got that first one, it was a relief. And five buckets a quarter, like that sounds so doable for the diesel, you know what I mean? It is, that's what I'm saying, yeah. Damn, if you break it down like that, fuck. When I got that first one, I was like, yeah, what the fuck you motherfuckers gonna say now?

Starting point is 01:02:17 Give me my props, and then they let you rest for two days, but then can he do it again? Right, yeah. I'm like, fuck, you challenging me again? You challenging me again? Oh, he, you know, he likes to do rap albums and fucking movies and, you know, he shouldn't have won this one or, you know, this and that, you know, the referee did that. So I'm like, okay, so now I go get two. And then I'm like, okay, what they like, say it, say I'm the fucking best in the league.

Starting point is 01:02:44 Just fucking say it. Oh, can, say it, say I'm the fucking best in the league. My young here, just fucking say it. Oh, can it be a dynasty? Like can you even imagine? Like fuck. So, you know, the fact that, yeah, the fact, and then I give all the credit to my father because growing up, after you win, you take the trophy away.

Starting point is 01:03:03 Like you remember playing youth football on Saturday and come to the house and a little cookout, by Sunday that motherfucker's nowhere to be found. So one day finally I got the courage to ask him, be like, hey man, where my trophy's at? He's like, I don't know motherfucker, go get another one. No! So that's why growing up, football, baseball,

Starting point is 01:03:24 basketball, track, baseball, basketball, track and field, I did everything except wrestling. So like, I'm trying to get another trophy just to put it in the house, just to impress him. So when I got that first NBA Finals MVP trophy, I took it to the house, we had a party, and he's like, you know this motherfucker

Starting point is 01:03:44 staying with me, right? I want him to take it to my house. He's like party, and he's like, you know this motherfucker's staying with me, right? I want him to take to my house. He's like, I was like, what do you mean? You know the routine, go get another one. Go get another one, yeah! I'm like, for what? He's a motherfucker, he's on ESPN talking shit about you.

Starting point is 01:03:58 They told him, like he was, it was like never enough. Never enough, baby, it's never enough. And so now when I sit back and look at all the stuff that I got, I really think. Then you already know, you've got to start from square one. You've got to get back to the basics early on in the offseason. You've got to build that thing so that by the time you're into, you know what I mean, the beginning of the season, you even then, you still have to build it throughout the season.

Starting point is 01:04:21 So that's great fatherly advice right there, man. Yeah. So I just wish these teamsly advice right there, man. Yeah. So I just wish these teams well. Ask me anything fuckers. Let's do it. We're brothers and we're brothers and we're brothers. What, I got to ask. Da da da da.

Starting point is 01:04:36 What was your favorite version of Shaq? Was your favorite version of Shaq in LA, of Orlando? Like what was your favorite stop? My favorite stop will probably be LA because I had another guy with me that was just as crazy as I was. Nice. And a lot of people like if you had it all over to do it, give them to have a better relationship. What would you do? As for nothing? Yeah, I know I drove him crazy. As a leader, that's what you do.

Starting point is 01:05:04 I'm sure there's a lot of guys on your football team that you know they're really good, but you know they can be a whole lot better. So you push them. You push their buttons. Like I used to tell him he wasn't great. Like I don't give a fuck what they say about you. This is my fucking team. I'm the man, motherfucker.

Starting point is 01:05:18 And you follow suit. And you used to drive him crazy. You used to drive him crazy. But I know that like, listen, I know I got to average 20, 30. What you gonna do, you little punk? And he was trying to always outdo me. So once we- And he's a competitor, so you already know he's gonna try and answer that bell.

Starting point is 01:05:38 So Phil developed a system. Go to fucking Shaq early, get him involved. If he's not hitting the free throws, Kobe is your show. And that system fucking worked. And it worked and it worked and it worked. So all the problems y'all thought we had were not really lifestyle realistic problems. They were workplace, big brother, little brother problems.

Starting point is 01:05:58 Like I asked you Jason, but did you and Travis ever fight? And you told me one story, but I know there's a million fucking stories. Oh yeah, oh yeah. But if you look at the outcome, both of y'all are great. I know you push your little brother Travis to be great. I know he probably wanted to outdo you

Starting point is 01:06:15 and beat you up and all that stuff, but it causes greatness. Like, you know, when you're a leader, you either focus on the relationship or you focus on the task. I am focusing on the task. And sometimes when you focus on the task, the relationship made the window. My favorite documentaries are looking at these teams and like, holy shit, you thought the Bulls Run was perfect? I didn't know they had to. That was the great documentary

Starting point is 01:06:39 in my life because you know what, it made me feel like I was normal. The holy shit that I was doing, I was like. Mike did the same shit. Oh, right. Oh, my. Thank you, Jordan. Scotty and Mike. You can have a little crazy in you, man. He's going to have a little crazy.

Starting point is 01:06:55 You keep everybody on edge. You do. I'm glad you brought that up because I watched that documentary. One of the guys I had a lot of respect for that I had always thought Phil just got surrounded by great players. I was one of the guys I had a lot of respect for that I had always thought Phil just got surrounded by great players. I was one of those naive people. And then you watch that documentary and see how great he was at getting the best out of all of the players and the personalities. And like, what was it like playing for him in LA?

Starting point is 01:07:16 You know, Phil treated you like a man. Yeah. Like I always used to go to Phil's like, hey, man, you better get this little motherfucker. No he was like, no seriously, you better get him. And Phil was like, no. I'm like, why? He was like, I always want him to have that aggression. And Phil was one of those smooth talk guys never raise his voice. The way he explained it, he was like,

Starting point is 01:07:36 if we take his aggression away, we'll ruin him. And you're gonna need him down the stretch. Just work through it. So when I was leaving, I was like, this motherfucker just mind fucked me. I'm like, it worked. No, sir, it was because I used to go to his office and be like, Phil, you better get this motherfucker.

Starting point is 01:07:55 You gotta handle this shit. I'm gonna handle it in a different way. He was like, no, I'm never taking this aggression away. Michael had that same aggression. I see something in the kid. Y'all gotta work it out. That's so cool, man. He treated us like, man, if you go back to those days,

Starting point is 01:08:11 Phil never had really much to say about our so-called problems, like he said, no, I'm not gonna take his aggression away. Let him, I'll hone him in every now and then, like, hey, dinner, but you're gonna need this kid down the stretch. I love it. The first finals, I'm playing every now and then, like, hey, dinner, but you're gonna need this kid down the stretch. I love it. The first finals, you know, I'm playing great,

Starting point is 01:08:27 I'm averaging 40, but it was one game I filed out. I'm like, fuck. And the fucking kid looks at me and he goes like this. And I said, what? He was like, I got your diesel, watch this. And the motherfucker took over the game. And he actually helped us regain momentum for this. And then the next thing we both did our thing

Starting point is 01:08:47 and we was able to win our first one. But if he don't go off in that game, I may not be able to get that first one. So I needed them. We used each other. We drove each other crazy. But you know, I have a little brother and I do the same thing, my little brother.

Starting point is 01:09:01 And then when you told me that story, Jason, it made me feel normal. I was like, you know what? A lot of people outside of the stinger vibes that don't understand, you understand the language, your brother understand the language, and Kobe understood the language. So, you know, they always ask me,

Starting point is 01:09:16 what would you do different? Nothing, nothing at all. Oh yeah. I am getting fucking goosebumps right now. He's a real one, man. Yeah, man, it's unbelievable. You just got such a He's a real one, man. Yeah, man. It's unbelievable. You just got such a good way of describing it, man.

Starting point is 01:09:28 It's fucking, it fires me the fuck up, man. Thank you. Howdy, y'all. Before we get to more of this Shaq interview, a quick message from our friends at Draft Kings. That's right. I can't be a part of this segment. As you guys know, I'm still playing and I don't want to get caught up with any gambling

Starting point is 01:09:45 So I'm gonna shoot it over to two guys who can be a part of this intern Brandon and See you guys bye Travis Thank you to our partner draft Kings this week for the NBA finals Jake and I are gonna be be playing DraftKings pick six. We're each going to pick one square from pick six board and build you guys a nice little pick set. For those who are unfamiliar all you need to do to create a pick set is choose two or more players and select whether they'll have more or less than a certain stat and play for a huge cash prize. So Jake who is the first player? I would like to say you making me

Starting point is 01:10:25 do this after the Knicks ripped my heart out last week is weird. It's much better if you could pick a Knicks player, couldn't it? But yeah, it would have been great. It would have been so great because I can't. I'm going to be riding with the thunder. Obviously, I'm going to go with Chet Holmgren more than 16 and a half points. Oh, this is Jake's haters pick. Okay, my is Jake's haters pick. Okay, I'll complete the pick sec here. I'll complete the pick set here. I'm going to go Jake.

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Starting point is 01:14:29 For tickets, go to shawfest.com. What had everybody else fired up and at least emotional was the end of the NBA on TNT the other week, man. After 35 seasons, it was the end of NBA on TNT. the uh the other week man. Uh emotions growing up. Of course, when certain things come in, like Kobe passing away, I cried like a baby. My sister passing away, I cried. My father passing away and crying. But other than that, I don't really have emotions. So everybody's sad and all that. But I turned it around and I just bring it into military style. What I mean by that is when I played in Orlando, it was four years. And you guys know military terms is four years. So I spent one term in Orlando.

Starting point is 01:15:29 I played eight years in LA. I spent two terms there. I played one term in Miami. I've been in TNT for 12 years. That's three terms. Now it's time to do something different. Like, you know, Ernie, my good guy the other day, you know, he cut his fucking down on why everybody was sad.

Starting point is 01:15:45 He's like, man, we're not gonna be able to see TNT anymore. I was like, yeah, I understand, but we're still together. The four horsemen are still together. And it's time to go to a new army base and take the fuck over. And I let everybody know that I'm going to that next network, I'm on they ass.

Starting point is 01:16:01 Whatever in the way. Who's ever in the way. You're at ESPN? Yeah, so yeah, I told him, I said, hey Who's ever in the way. You had ESPN? Yeah. So yeah, I told them. I said, hey, whoever's in our way, we're on our way. We don't know what the show's going to be. We don't know what it'll look like.

Starting point is 01:16:13 But us four together, I'm sure we'll be able to figure out. Oh, man. I don't get sad. I don't get happy. Yeah. So. That's show and sports, baby. A lot of people, they, hey, man, you need to show

Starting point is 01:16:25 emotions. That's not healthy. My thing is I've been very successful doing it this way. Why would I change? Exactly. Yeah. Imagine me being soft, Jason, and Travis. You want me to be soft? You want me to be soft? No, man. I want you to be

Starting point is 01:16:40 the diesel, baby. That's what I'm saying. I can't do it. I will have to ask you this. What's your favorite moment from the show on TNT? Charles talking about the women from San Antonio. And hold on. This is one for the intern to do it later when he's editing. And if you haven't seen Charles talking about women from San Antonio, here's a clip right

Starting point is 01:17:02 here. There we go, Shaq. There we go. This guy's a pro. They do have some big old women. I Antonio, here's a clip right here. There we go, Shaq, there we go. This guy's a pro. They do have some big old women. I mean, come on now. See what you do to him. Oh my God.

Starting point is 01:17:14 I'm sure living in San Antonio, you saw it from a completely different angle, but that shit's hilarious. We had a moment one time where like, they never call us in for pregame and tell us what they're gonna do. But I get a phone one day, emergency meeting. So we fucking get there like two o'clock,

Starting point is 01:17:32 show's not till seven. You got all the big wigs coming down. And it was like, Charles, you're talking about the women from San Antonio. We need you to apologize. So Charles says, okay. He's like, okay, I'm sorry. So we get to the show and Ernie starts the show.

Starting point is 01:17:48 He's like, Ernie, can I say something? He said, you know what? I like to joke around and talk about the people from San Antonio, but if you think I'm gonna apologize, you got a whole nother thing coming. And just went off. I'm telling you now, if you think I'm gonna apologize, hell's gonna freeze over.

Starting point is 01:18:04 You ain't gonna like the show. You can fire me right now. You don't get paid. Oh, he just went off and I was like, oh my God, this is the best thing ever. So good. So good. I'm not apologizing nothing.

Starting point is 01:18:17 Santo is a great guy and y'all know y'all got some big old women. You know I just be joking. And he just fucking went off and I was like, oh my God, he's the funniest guy ever. In tears, man. What was it like joining the show in 2011? Yeah, compared to like how it is right now.

Starting point is 01:18:34 I was nervous and I was terrible because I wanted to be on my Brian Gumbel. Oh, okay. And I used my hands and the producer TK called me one day and said, you keep doing that, you're not gonna be there. We want you to be Shaq. I was like, what does that mean? He's like, fucking be Shaq.

Starting point is 01:18:50 I was like, oh, I get to do that? Yeah. So once I realized that I was able to just be myself, because good game, bad game, doesn't matter. After the show, they wanna hear experience, they wanna hear stories, and they wanna hear tactics from respectable people. Like I don't know a lot about football.

Starting point is 01:19:09 I'm listening to both of you motherfuckers. I know what y'all did. I'm listening. I don't give a fuck what you say. You should wear pink socks. The motherfuckers should wear pink socks. I know it. I've seen it firsthand what both of you have done

Starting point is 01:19:22 in championship situations. So y'all are like, ah, to me. So I know when you listen to a Shaq, you must know what he's talking about. Been there six times. Barkley's a Hall of Famer. Kenny's won it twice. So, you know, and then we add a little fun to it,

Starting point is 01:19:37 a lot of humor to it. And I think that's what's always made our show great. I don't respect people that don't really know about this thing of ours. I will respect your opinion, but if you ain't really been there and done that, that's just me. Like there's a lot of great guys

Starting point is 01:19:54 that do a lot of great job of commenting, but if I can ask how do you know, that means that you're a little bit unreliable. Like you guys know. Like you know what it is in the Super Bowl situation, you know what it is in the playoffs situation, you know what it is in the must win situation, in the bye week and all that shit.

Starting point is 01:20:12 You guys know. I don't know. I'm Shaq, but I'm Shaq over here in this world. Just because I'm a commentator don't mean I know it so. The fact that we all have that experience that people know we have, I think that, and then we're allowed to be ourselves, I think that's what makes it very, very exciting.

Starting point is 01:20:29 All right, we're gonna ask this. I know you've been asked this a million times. What's your all time starting five, Shaq? Curry at the one. Curry, okay. Kobe at the two. Jordan at the three. Tim Duncan at the four. Okay. And me at the three, Tim Duncan at the four,

Starting point is 01:20:47 and me at the five. I mean, God damn, that's a good ass team. Nobody's beaten that team. But I hate doing these lists because I don't know how your guys gonna edit it, right? But let's just say I did that to somebody that didn't like us and then they'll lead it off with Shaq excludes LeBron, right?

Starting point is 01:21:06 And like it causes like, you know, unnecessary beef. That's not the way we do it, exactly. I know, I understand, but I'm just saying, like I hate doing these lists, because I don't want people to think I'm dissing them. But you asked me, my team, I need a shooter. I need the best shooter in the world. Second guy I name is a guy who I helped raise. I know he's a fucking dog, I know what he's gonna do.

Starting point is 01:21:27 And the other guy, Jordan is the guy everybody looks up to. And I know Kobe. He's on everybody's list. Exactly, I know Kobe gonna be trying to do what Jordan's trying to do. So you got Steph shooting threes when I get double. You got Kobe and Michael doing this inner thing. And then you got the big fundamentals

Starting point is 01:21:43 taking that motherfucker, facing you up, shooting off the glass. Off the glass. And then you got the big fundamentals taking that motherfucker facing you up, shooting out of the glass. Off the glass. And then you got me. That's my team. That's it. I mean that's a fucking hell yeah. I always hate these lists just

Starting point is 01:21:54 cause I feel like it's hard to go when you're going different generations of, at least for football. Like I don't know how guys that played in the eighties and nineties would fare up today or especially guys that played in the sixties are gonna play play against modern day. The game has changed so much and I imagine it's similar in the NBA. I love those questions because it's really not an answer. We'll never know. I've seen a guy in a fucking barbershop almost come to blows. We're talking about if Jordan can play in his hand.

Starting point is 01:22:25 I'm talking about they was, they was fucking really good. Motherfuckin' too. I'm just sitting there watching like, and they're fucking, Jordan couldn't play, no he couldn't. It's just going off. I have a question for you Travis.

Starting point is 01:22:36 What's good? Has anyone ever hit you and made you kinda, and I know you're not a punk, I know you're not scared, but has anybody ever hit you and made you say, okay, I need to watch out for this motherfucker because he hit me so hard? Bernard Pollard got me my first game ever in the league.

Starting point is 01:22:53 And ever since then, my head, I was so much more aware of what coverages they were in before the ball was even snapped. I told myself, I was like, man, I gotta stay out of that situation. Because I could have ran my route slightly different to avoid the the like the aggressive head-on collision. He would have still lit my **** up but it would have, you know, I would have at least been going in a

Starting point is 01:23:15 different direction than instead of like looking back at at Alex Smith going directly at him. That was probably the the one time where I was like, I got up and was like, what the fuck just happened? Like it would took me a second to realize just like, because it all happens so fast. And I was, I was typically a bigger guy in college amongst the, I mean, the Big East and the guys that size,

Starting point is 01:23:39 Bernard Pollard was six, three, six, one, six, three, somewhere in there and like a big, like old time, like safety size. So when he hit me, I felt like a train just came through and just smoked me. I'll give you two. I'll give you two Shaq. One, Brandon Spikes.

Starting point is 01:23:56 I went up against this dude, he played for New England. I know, big brand. This dude had the biggest, thickest head, and we're in training camp playing the New England Patriots. Biggest, thickest head and we're in training. We're training. We run this, we run this little pin and pull play where me and the right guard pull and I'm supposed to block it, but he beats me to the hole and just decapitates the right guard. We're strapping up today.

Starting point is 01:24:22 Well, you would hit him and your whole head would hurt. It was crazy. I don't know how, how, and then another guy, Gerard Davis, who played for Detroit, this motherfucker wouldn't even try and make the tackle. He would, we would be looking at each other right before the play. Like we know we're both about to hit each other and he would just cut and we would both like two Rams just playing in the middle of a field, button heads. So much so that the ref came up to me after like the 10th play of us doing this like the whole game's happening but outside of this whole game is just me and this dude and we're just button our head every single and it's like the ref

Starting point is 01:24:57 the ref comes up to me in the huddle he's like man you and 40 are really going at it i'm like like, man, you and 40 are really going at it. I'm like, will you tell them to stop? I'm like, all right. So it isn't just in my head. This is actually happening. This looks what it feels like. I'm like, this dude was hit so hard. I never understood. I'm like, dude, if you just tried to make a tackle, you'd probably be one of the best life backers at the NFL. All he wanted to

Starting point is 01:25:21 do is knock people out. It was crazy. That's crazy. That was the league, baby. I have one more before we get to knock people out. It was crazy. That's crazy. That was the league baby. I have one more before we get to this last segment. I was going to ask you. I just came back to my memory growing up. Like I know there was nobody that was really you're the most dominant that's ever do it done it because of the size your

Starting point is 01:25:38 athleticism your mentality, but was there anybody that you tried to like kind of channel or take pieces of their game and bring them to yours when you were growing up? Great question. Shaquille O'Neal is a mixture of Patrick Ewing. Okay. David Robinson. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:25:54 And Magic Johnson. Nice. You know, Kenny Smith said this the other day. He said, the reason why the league is the way it is because everybody's a product of their environment. When I was really starting to dominate, all the other centers would get scared and try to step out and shoot jumpers. So as I'm fading out, now you got the Dirks and you got the KGs and you got the Tim Duncan. They were phenomenal post players, but they also shot a lot of jumpers. So now the kids are watching them. Like when I was coming up, it was fucking jump hooks and drop steps and dunks.

Starting point is 01:26:27 That's because I saw Mr. Patrick Ewing. You want to hear a funny story about Patrick Ewing? Please. Patrick Ewing. Patrick, I actually saw him the other day. He's like, man, we used to have some battles here. I was like, bro, you were my idol coming to high school. And his eyes got wide.

Starting point is 01:26:41 He's like, for real? He's like, you didn't fucking know that you were my idol in high school? You guys had so many battles, that's why. He was like, for real? He's like, you didn't fucking know that you're my eye in high school? You guys had so many battles, that's why. He was like, for real? I was like, Pat, I wore 33. I wore the fucking knee pads. That's cause you did it.

Starting point is 01:26:54 Like he had no idea. That's crazy. So I grew up watching those guys. And then, you know, I remember watching Dave Robson run the fucking floor, run, and cash out all of you. So I went to my friend, Joe Cavalero, I was like, webson run the fucking floor. Run and catch that alley. So I went to my friend, Joe Cavalero, like, we're going to try this play in high school. Where when the guy leans, I'm a fucking spin and you throw it up. And did that in high school and college.

Starting point is 01:27:14 And then Magic Johnson was a big guy that can handle the ball and, you know, make fashion plays. So those were the three guys that I tried to pattern myself after. And then there's one more guy, Ronnie Stikely. When he was in college, he used to dunk and get his knees up. So if you look at my- Oh, that's where we got the Shaq logo.

Starting point is 01:27:31 Exactly, so I did that one time in the game in high school, playing against some little kids, and the whole gym got terrified, and I was like, holy shit. Yeah, I was very good. I figured something out. So every time I dunk, every time I dunk, I try to get my knees up, which makes you look powerful, makes you look like you're trying to tear the rim down.

Starting point is 01:27:50 So you know, it's crazy. Nobody's ever asked me that question, but that's who I, you know, pattern my game up. Man, I love it. I love it. Who would have knew Patrick Chewing, baby? Yes. Legend. This is our last segment, Shaq.

Starting point is 01:28:03 We're going to rapid fire some questions at you. Feel free. You don't got to answer it. Itq. We're going to rapid fire some questions at you. Feel free. You don't got to answer it. It's called We Gotta Ask. Let's do it. Do you remember your first dunk? Yes. How old were you?

Starting point is 01:28:12 16. Everybody remembers their first one. I was having a game. You know, remember I told you Magic Johnson was one of my guys? This game, this game, I'm on my Magic Johnson shit. Tallest guy on the other team is six foot. So I'm gonna get it, take off the glass, just lay it up. So I got 40 by the end of three.

Starting point is 01:28:32 One time I cross a dude up and I finger roll it and I miss and my father's in his, like my father was a guy that's never impressed. Like he would be the guy that if I had 40 and missed 10 free throws, you should have had 50 pussy. So like I'm doing all this shit in the game, trying to impress him. He's not smiling. So I cross a dude up, AIS, the ha, finger roll and miss. He walks on the court in his army

Starting point is 01:28:56 fatigues, timeout. Like we're in the middle of the game, call a timeout. So I call a timeout and say, come outside. So I go outside. There's no way this is real. I promise you this is real. So I go outside. There's no way this is real. Hold on, this is real. I promise you this is real. So we go outside the gym. Little gym.

Starting point is 01:29:10 Because my graduating class was 39, but from 9 to 12, it was only 200 kids. Small gym, one side of the blitz. You said, go outside. Say, yo, man, what the fuck you doing? So I'm all American, cool. It's like, man, I'm just working on my magic. And before I could say Johnson,

Starting point is 01:29:27 whap! Fuck Roger Johnson. Use your kilo new and start dunking that shit. I'm tired of watching this shit. So now, and then again, and then again, remember I told you about emotions? It hurt, but I can't go into the gym crying. But everybody, like, all my boys already knew what the fuck happened. Saw it on your face, yeah. Yeah, so now I go in the gym crying. But everybody, like all my boys already knew

Starting point is 01:29:45 what the fuck happened. Saw it on your face, yeah. Yeah, so from now going to the gym, I'm looking at the coach and he calling the player, I'm like fuck that play, give me the ball. So he got me the ball and I'm like, boom. And now he's celebrating. That's what the fuck I'm talking about.

Starting point is 01:30:00 Kill that little motherfucker. That's my son. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got a motherfucker six two though. So after that I was like, okay. So that was 16 my junior year and I was 6'11". It's not that I couldn't dunk. One time I tried to dunk in a game in the miss

Starting point is 01:30:15 and I missed at 6'11". So I kinda, you know, I wanna, everybody was laughing. So I kinda just, you know, shot away from him. But he took me outside bro and touched me up and I've been dunking ever since. Could you imagine the guy that was on the receiving end of this on the other team? Just like, listen, my dad was. Why did you fire him up?

Starting point is 01:30:34 Yes. My dad was my dad was six, eight drill sergeant, PT every morning. My fucking was solid. Everybody that whispers throughout the entire community are just like, hey, listen, if you're playing Shaq, if his dad takes him outside in the middle of the game, just quit, throw the towel.

Starting point is 01:30:55 Get off the court. Throw the towel. It's gonna get ugly. But it was like a smack that was heard throughout the gym because before I left it was, who to cheerleads? And as soon as I walked in everybody was like a smack that was heard throughout the gym because before I left, it was, who toot your cheerleads? And as soon as I walked in, everybody was like. Egg shells. That is such a wild story.

Starting point is 01:31:11 That is so amazing. And I'm looking at everybody and the coach is like, okay, we're gonna run, he's like, we're not running that play. Give me the 50 ball. Give me the fucking ball, man. That's fucking legendary. You got a favorite dunk of all time?

Starting point is 01:31:26 My favorite dunk of all time was two of them. And I actually just seen this dude the other day, Chris Dudley, and he left the room and I was like, are you trying to fight or are you trying to give me a hug? He started laughing, I started laughing, I gave him a hug. Nice. I took it as a sign of respect when he didn't double me. So I'm back and I don't even know who's on me,

Starting point is 01:31:43 like you know, that switch, I'm like, I know this ain't fucking Chris Dudley. So I take one little dribble to double steal like him. I tell you, no, he's trying to, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm like, I take one dribble, like, the fuck? I take two dribble. I even carry on the second, and I was like, oh, this motherfucker's not coming? Now I gotta, take that, and then just drop step,

Starting point is 01:32:03 and then boom, and like, he was all on me and I was like fuck off man. And then my second favorite dunk was game seven. Portland is kicking our ass. They are kicking our ass. So we come to the time on the fourth quarter and Phil Jackson, him I told you used to like mine, play with your binds. All right guys, great year. They're kicking your ass, I'll see you next year. So now we're like, Kobe's pissed, he said it. I'm pissed, he said it. I'm like, man, fuck that, let's go on a little run.

Starting point is 01:32:32 Legendary quote, man. Kobe's in Kobe mode. He's getting to the hole and two people, three people, he don't care, he knows he has to score. And I'm telling him the whole time, amen, that fucking lobby's open. All right, amen, that lobby's open. So we made eye contact. time. Amen. That **** is open.

Starting point is 01:32:45 Alright. Amen. That is open. So, we make kind of eye contact. I want to say he winked at me but he looked at me and he crosses Scotty up at the top of the key. You know what? I'm not going to even talk about the clip. Here it is right here. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:33:00 Brandon, don't you **** that up. Yeah, don't you **** that up. Be on your **** Brandon. Yes. But that was but that was like the the backdoor oop, the spin-off of a nigga man, iconic. No, no, that was the one where he crossed Scotty up and he got in the middle lane and he threw the motherfucker up too high and I had to go get it. But here it goes!

Starting point is 01:33:14 Oh, whoa, whoa, okay, Brandon! Okay, Brandon! Right there, throw it up, Kobe, throw it up, Kobe! Oh! Ah! Ah! Ah! Yeah, Kobe!

Starting point is 01:33:24 Good pass, yes, sir, that, good pass. Yes, sir, that one right there. That place is fucking rocking, oh my God. Because I kept telling, it's like, yo man, the lob is there. He's like, because listen, one thing about Kobe, when Kobe gets in killer mode, don't fucking talk to him. Like, he not trying to hit nothing.

Starting point is 01:33:40 Like, he knows he's in attack mode, he's going to score first of anything. I'm like, yo man, that lob is down. All right. Yo Cove, the lob is down. All right. Mother fucker, I sent the lob. Yeah, all right.

Starting point is 01:33:49 And then like he at the top of the key and he gives me one of those things right there and I'm like, huh? Is this it? And then when he threw it up, the motherfucker threw up too high. I had to fucking go. I was like, ah, I don't forget.

Starting point is 01:34:02 And then, you know, as you see, I didn't catch it. Like I just, I said to myself, I said to myself, if I get my hands on it, just fucking punch it through. Play it again, Brandon. I mean, because it wasn't really a clean catch. Hurry up, Brandon. Play it one more time, Brandon.

Starting point is 01:34:18 He's not ready. He's not ready. Come on, Brandon. Look right here. So he backs it right there and right there he says, okay boy yeah, see that hand? That's the same one. He threw it and I just fucking slapped that bitch.

Starting point is 01:34:30 I just slapped it through. Woo hoo hoo hoo. That's fucking electric. Tuck, the whole crowd, that place is going ape shit. Oh my gosh. You watched that shit all day, man. Yeah, I had to slap it through. Spiked it.

Starting point is 01:34:46 Oh man, absolutely legendary. Man, that's fucking electric. Which was worse, eating the hot chip on Inside the NBA or eating the bomb on Hot Ones? The hot chip on TNT. I thought I was gonna die. That fucking, the hot chip chat, that was the craziest experience I've ever been through. That ruined me for the next three days.

Starting point is 01:35:09 Yeah, that was the worst experience ever. It ruined me for three days straight. I was shitting out fire. It was ridiculous. I was too. I ate it and it wasn't that hot, but because it was an old, dried chip, I was like, mm, we drink some water.

Starting point is 01:35:24 That water activated. And then it activated to where my throat started closing. So I'm a type of like, I go to the top, I'm like, I know I'm not about to die on TNT. I was like, so then I had to drink more water. That shit just kept getting hotter. I was like, huh. But then I remember, and this is how I got my icy hot deal.

Starting point is 01:35:45 One day I had a fucking thigh bruise and the trainer rubbed icy hot on it and that shit rose up to the boys. Oh yeah. My shit got so fucking hot. So I'm in the shower one day like ah. And the Spanish guy was like, Senor, Senor, or milk? I was like what?

Starting point is 01:36:01 He's got milk. I was like what the fuck you mean milk? I was like bro, you playing with me? He's like no no, Poppy. You eat a lot of spicy foods. Yeah, he's like, no, Poppy. We eat spicy foods and the capsaicin, you put milk on it.

Starting point is 01:36:11 So I said, here, $100, go get me milk. So I'm in the shower, pouring milk on my mother. But it worked. I said, so now that I'm like, oh, I need some water. I told him, hey, go get me some milk. So I'm in the back, drinking. He was like, why are you drinking milk? I was like, because it stops the cap water. I told him, hey, go get me some milk. So I'm in the back drink. He was like, why are you drinking milk?

Starting point is 01:36:25 I was like, because it stops the capsaicin. Hell yeah. That shit was so hot. I went ice cream, but like I said, it ruined me for the next three days. Oh, ice cream works too? I think it's any dairy, yeah. I think it's fat.

Starting point is 01:36:40 Fat for some reason, it messes with the capsaicin. Got it. What do you think of the new Magic jerseys? Haven't seen them. Brandon, good time to shine. Brought back to pinstripes. I like the one on the right. Ooh, the one on the right with that 32

Starting point is 01:36:55 would have been fucking nice. The black pinstripe. I likes it, yeah it's good. Zavokina boys, yeah those are my favorite, those are my favorite brothers since the Kelsey brothers. Zavokna Boys! Yeah, those are my favorite. Those are my favorite brothers since the Kelsey Brothers. Zavokna Boys. Yes. Hold on. I just made an idea for you guys to do a reality show. Okay. A million dollars prize. The best brothers in the world. Be the Vagna Boys. You, the Mannings, the twins that play for Detroit and Houston. Be like five teams and y'all just go through three

Starting point is 01:37:24 crazy obstacle courses. If you do the show, I want executive producer. Okay, I like, listen, I'm in. That's a great fucking show. They don't wanna see me and Jason in on this one, I promise you that. I know, I know that, that's what I'm saying. It's a great show.

Starting point is 01:37:41 I'm in on that. What was your welcome to the NBA moment? My welcome to the NBA moment, my first one, because I'm a crazy kid. First time I felt scared. So Chicago had an old stadium and you got to walk up the steps and when you walk up the stairs,

Starting point is 01:37:58 yeah, they play that old Bulls music, that fucking laser show come on. And there he is, God. And there he is. The same God that was on your poster in high school and college, and he's there. He acknowledges you, but he gives you that look like motherfucker, I'm about to kill you. Because I see him, I'm like, what's up motherfucker?

Starting point is 01:38:16 And I'm like, oh shit, that's the first time I got, and then like you go for a shot and he's right there, and he comes down, he doesn't move, and I'm like, this motherfucker's perfect. But the moment that changed it was, he came, like even though I'm terrified, I'm never gonna show you I'm terrified. So he came up for screen one time and he shot,

Starting point is 01:38:36 I didn't block it but I was right there. I was like, aha, he's human. I figured that, I figured that. So after that I was okay, but the first time going to play against Jordan, I was freaking, my heart was going, tuk, tuk, tuk, tuk, tuk, tuk, tuk, tuk, and then I was like, you know what, he's Mike, but I have to play well.

Starting point is 01:38:55 I didn't do bad and do great, but I think I held my own, but I was terrified out there. I can only imagine what it was like. Shaken. That's awesome, man. Shaq, thank you for the stories, big dog. Thank you for your time. Yeah, tell your families I said hello,

Starting point is 01:39:09 and I'll definitely see you guys again. You know it, man. You know it. Can't wait to watch these first two of these finals. Hold on. Can't wait to watch Power Moves out now on Netflix, everybody. I got to show you guys something. Two seconds.

Starting point is 01:39:22 Take your time. I got to tell you, Shaq, I don't even need to see the edit. This is probably one of the best episodes we've ever done. We didn't do nothing. That's my favorite song in the world, brother. Just got that song back, too. Hell yeah. Just bought all our music back, so it's finally hers, too,

Starting point is 01:39:50 man, I appreciate that, though. I love you guys. Love you, big dog. Everybody, the Diesel. Well, that was fucking electric. Oh, baby. Some people just know how to tell a fucking story and just be themselves.

Starting point is 01:40:04 God damn, man. I was over here just be themselves. God damn, man. I was over here just fucking relishing in that man. The diesel man. Incredible. Hopefully you guys enjoy this one, man. All right. And that wraps up another episode of New Heights next week. Chiefs fans, we've got a great guest for you. That's right. Steve Spagnola is coming on.

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Starting point is 01:41:23 Thank you so much for the time. Good to be back, sir. Brandon. That was so fun. You actually did a great job, I will say to myself. I will say to myself, if you fuck up one time, one more time, you're gonna be working at fucking Doritos, taste testing spicy Doritos. But you know what?

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