New Heights with Jason and Travis Kelce - Travis on Returning for Year 13, Jason Defends the Tush Push (Again) and New Combine Events | Ep 127

Episode Date: March 5, 2025

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Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. I thought I was just... All right. The ladies mind games, you're throwing rock now. You're going to throw rock. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. I can't get him. I can't get him.

I can't get him. Fuck. Welcome back to New Heights ladies and gentlemen, a Wondry show produced by Wavesports and Entertainment and brought to you by Audible. Hey! How about it, shout out to Audible. Gotta love listening, Jason, you gotta listen. Where you're all...

Each region. I'm driving this Kelsey. This is Jason Kelsey out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio, Cincinnati Bearcat alum. If you didn't know, shout out to the Bearcats. We're recording this together in Los Angeles. Yeah, we Kelsey out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio. Cincinnati Bearcat alum. If you didn't know, shout out to the Bearcats. We're recording this together in Los Angeles.

Yeah! We are West Coast, baby. Subscribe on YouTube, Wondry Plus, wherever you get your podcasts, and follow the show on all social media, at New Heights Show with 1S. To follow with fun clips throughout the week, Jason, tell the people what we got coming up. We're back with another incredible episode for you guys. We're going to get to the big yeti,

signing up for year 13. Of course, we're going to talk about some of the news coming out of the combine this past week. Some of these rookies coming into the NFL, trying to take everybody's jobs and very specific LA food reviews. Don't worry. I'll make sure my microphone away from my mouth while I'm chewing I got those notes last time guys. Thanks for that Anyways before we get to any of that we're gonna get to a little bit of that new Coming in hot new news is brought to you by American Express That's right. You can take that MX and buy audible books, right? With both. I mean, they're synonymous.

So they both work in an ad. You see how we pair these ads up, baby? Make it easy for you guys. All right. Travis, we have a playing update or you have a playing update. Yeah. It has since been announced that you are playing another season. It is. Yes. And I did want to say a year ago, I announced my retirement.

So we have to address the huge news that you are coming back this year Is it because you've seen me in retirement? You're like fuck that No, I actually I think you've you've handled it perfectly Jason. Thank you I think you you've thrived outside of missing an Eagle Super Bowl. I think you absolutely killed it seeing an Eagle Super Bowl, I think you absolutely killed it, dude. You fucking dick. Yeah, well, that's the only way I can have fun with it. No, but I do think you have absolutely killed it in retirement.

That didn't persuade me in any way. Why are you playing another season? Why are you going to go out there, risk injury, Whoa. And make less money than you could make not playing football? Why are you doing this? That was kind of the one I had to juggle right there.

I think the biggest thing is that I fucking love playing the game of football. That's a good reason. I love playing, I still feel like I could play it at a high level, and possibly at a higher level than I did last year. I don't think it was my best outing. I think I let my guys down

in a lot more moments than I helped them, especially if you look at my track record and how I've been in years past. I don't know if that's true. I just, you know, I want to give it a good run. I got a bad taste in my mouth on how I ended the year and how well I was playing and, you know, how accountable I was for the people around me.

And I love so many people in Kansas City, both in that facility people in Kansas City, both in that facility, in the community, and it's home for me now. And I don't wanna leave that life yet. I put in a lot of hard work and I put in a lot of focus into being the best that I can for KC. And last year, it just, it didn't end well for us.

And I just, I feel like there's a responsibility in me to play out the contract that I initially signed, to give Kansas City and the Chiefs organization everything that I got. And that's what I'm gonna do, man. Awesome. Well, I think, I hear what you're saying. I think, you know, it's hard losing a strip bowl.

And you feel like there's so many things you could have done better or whatnot, and you kind of reference it like you could have been whatever. I think don't lose sight of the big reason that you guys are there is because of who you are. You know what I mean? And I think sometimes you lose sight of that when you don't maximize the end goal,

which is winning the strip bowl. So I know you're going to be dedicated like you always are. It keeps getting harder, though. What's your plan? First of all, what was your decision-making process? How does Travis Kelce go about making big life decisions? Well, it's similar to all the other decisions I make, and it's just off a feel. I don't really... You are a big off. I relish that about you so much.

I'm not a big, like, measure the pros and cons and all that. I just go off a field and I just... Pure gut. A pure gut feeling. And I fucking love this game, man. And not only that, I love going into the building with the guys that are there. Coach Reed has been one of the biggest influences on my life, not just in the game of football. And I don't wanna stop going to work with him.

I don't wanna stop learning from him. I don't wanna stop being the reason why he has success or being a part of the reason he has success. I want that guy to have the most success in the world because of who he's been to my life. And that's the same with Pat. That's the same with guys like Brett Veach and Mark Donovan and Coach Spags and Tom Melvin.

There's so many people in that building. That's a lot of good names. You know, David Glover. There's so many people in that building that I love with all my heart, man. And I just, I wanna living living out those dreams and and going to work with them and yeah I never I never once kind of second-guessed it it was always in the back of my mind even even when it got tough last year on the body or when it got tough after the Super Bowl and you know you're at your

all-time low it's just there, there's something in a motivating factor that you can do this and you wanna do this. And I just, I pulled the trigger as soon as I knew that I had that feeling. Yeah, and I think you knew the whole time. I felt like even when I would talk to you, and we didn't really talk pointily about this, you never asked my advice on this, which I asked your advice, so I feel

a little hurt that you didn't ask my advice. You didn't take my advice. But that's fine, all right. I felt like you always, you wanted to come back. It felt like that from the moment after the game, it felt like that two, a week after, two weeks and I was like, ah, he's gonna play again. He's not ready to stop, so.

Yeah. I think it's the right decision. And you talk about feel. I brought this up on Chuck's podcast. But there's one thing that I very much, like, I feel like whenever I make a decision or I'm like big time deals. You call Charles Barkley Chuck now? Is that not what everybody calls him?

That's a surreal moment. I'm just saying. Everybody not called Charles Chuck? I mean, it's come, no, I literally told everyone my name was Charles because his name's Charles Barkley. That's pretty cool though, that's just a full circle moment. Keep going, keep my bad, my bad. So I'm on Charles and Ernie's podcast,

shout out to the Steam Room. I forget how we got on the topic, but I start talking about like, a lot of times when I'm trying to make a big decision, I like really overanalyze things and I think way too hard about this thing and that thing and this thing, and I'll call you, and you have this really good way

of not worrying about all these little meaningless, dumb fucking things that I'm worried about. Or these what could be or what ifs. It's like, no, just what do you wanna do? Do you wanna play football or not? Do you wanna do this or not? And I think that nine times out of 10, it's like great advice for me to get out of my own head,

and it's helped me before. So I don't know why I'm bringing it up. I just always, I'm jealous of that. I'm jealous that you don't think about things in a way that makes you, what's the word, bogged down. I hear you, man. Indecisive. I hear you, and don't get it twisted.

There's always like that indecisiveness for sure. Yeah. Like in my mind, I think I can be a better player than I was last year. Yeah, I mean, I feel like every great player always feels that way. So it's like every- But you just think about it more now

because of the way the season went. Yeah. So I think there's a lot of other things that compound on that, but how big a factor was losing a shoot ball in the decision? It was probably the biggest factor. If you would have won, would you have come back for another season?

I mean, it's a pretty cool way to go out, but I still think I would still have this love for the game and the feeling and, yeah. If you want to play, you want to play. Yeah. I think... Shouldn't make that be a factor. I think I would have thought about it more... Sure.

...if we would have won. I think because we lost and how we lost. Going out on top is nice. Yeah. It's not how I did it. I went out crying on the fucking field because I saw Jeff Stalin and was like, man, this might be the last time I ever see him.

Don't do that. You see him every week. Yeah, but it's different. All right, I got you. Shout out to Jeff. 100%, the ending of that game, I feel like I owe the guys that I come into that building with a whole lot more effort and focus, and I just don't know what it was during that game, man.

I wasn't at my best, and the more that I see clips or watch the film and put myself back into those moments, man. I'm just like, what the fuck? I've seen the clips too. I think it's just... Don't overanalyze it, Trev. No, you have to overanalyze it. That's the only way you find,

at least that's one of the ways I find motivation. You're the king of not overanalyzing. So don't overanalyze it. But that's how I find motivation. That's how I create the beast. That's how I flip the switch. That's how I flip the switch I'm saying people put like the clip up where like Pat's scrambling around and you're just standing there, right? And then he runs and then your guy hits him

Yeah, nine times out of ten everybody else in that situation is gonna be standing there too. And I know that that's not acceptable It's not and like when I watch myself do that I would watch myself Sometimes the quarterback gets sacked and you watch it on tape and you're like, hey, you fucking idiot, go over there and help the fucking guy up. Or like, why are you just walking away from, you're running back, help the running back up. As a good teammate, you think about things like that.

You ask anybody in that locker room, if you give good effort and who's a good teammate in all this show, you're gonna get a much different answer. Anyways, do you have extra motivation this year going into the season? I mean, yes and no. Unfortunately, I've been in a situation where I didn't play my best in the final game

and the biggest game of my life. Speaking about Tampa and Tampa Super Bowl, and I think you try and make it everything. And you don't find the love of the game doing that. And I feel like I play my best when I'm out there playing it for the right reasons. Sure. You know, can it be motivation in the off season

to, you know, go out and get a few extra reps, go out and run that extra mile, go out and, you know, get a few more catches on the jugs, go out and, you know, work a little bit harder, watch some extra film, really analyze what you're showing the opponent, really analyze you know how you're running your routes so that guys can't get a tick on on what route you're running. All of that can help get you where you are, but you can't go into it like this mad human being that is just like.

I don't know, has this built up animosity about the world and how it didn't go their way and like, I need to, this I'll only be satisfied if it goes my way because after Tampa it didn't go my way. I didn't even make it back to the Super Bowl that next year. So there's ways to go out there and motivate yourself to be better than you were yesterday, get extra reps, really put everything you have

into your preparation. But at the end of the day, man, I play my best when I go out there and I have fun, man. And I don't play my best when I go out there and I'm just pissed off at the world and I'm trying to be the bully because I'm playing against guys that act like the bullies. So how do you have fun?

You go out there and you go to work, and you build that chemistry with the guys around you. And I think we got a young, fun team. We're going to get my guy Rasheed Rice back. We're going to get, hopefully, the wide receiver room that we accumulated once Rasheed went down. Hopefully, we get my guy Kareem Hunt back. I fucking love that guy.

I want to win one for that guy so bad. You know, I just know that guys like Pat Mahomes and guys that we have on the defensive side like Chris Jones and George Karloftis and Trent McDuffie, they all know how to have fun doing it while being professional. And that's such a unique situation to have. When you can get both done, be successful,

but do it in such a fun way that it makes it more enjoyable than you could possibly imagine, man. That's such a unique atmosphere and a unique building to be in. And I just, I know that, because I've been on teams where it hasn't been that. And it's just, I wanna keep enjoying those moments

and keep building what we have in Kansas City with those guys. Did you talk to Andy, anybody? Is there anything else you want to talk about in terms of deciding to play again? What do you guys think you need to do to get back to the mountaintop next year? I mean, we got to get some pieces. I think 100% this offseason we we're stuck kinda trying to juggle some contract negotiations and losing some key pieces.

And I mean, that hurts, you know? We got a lot of guys that we rely on big time. We've relied on big time in the past that have helped us win Super Bowls that are in contract negotiations. And it's just like- Trace Smith just got franchised? Yeah, and you know, I know they're working on a long-term deal to try and keep trading a lot of times

They just do that. He's unbelievable prevent them going to free agency so they can still keep negotiating exactly Yeah, and I'm hoping that they can sign something that you know Trey appreciates and that the Chiefs can you know? Still go out and get other pieces knowing that we need more more guys Trey Smith, you know? Guys that are dedicated to their craft. I've said it for a long time, he's one of my favorite guys to watch play. Exactly, he's one of my favorite guys to play with. The mentality that he takes to the field. Oh yeah.

I know I've always trusted Brett Veach and the front office and the coaches to bring in the right guys, and not only just the guys that have the skill set and the athleticism and the competitive edge, but do it in a fun way like we've brought in guys before. Like that can add to the chemistry of how the weeks go, the routines go,

and try not to make it like we're coming into work. Like we're excited about what we're doing and we're excited about the challenges ahead. Yeah, I'm sure, I mean, they know how to build it. Yeah, exactly. And you guys had, I mean, come on now. Blocking kicks to end games, the chemistry was there. Yeah, so Kansas City, baby,

we're back at it for at least one more year. I can't say whether or not this is gonna be the last year because I still love a lot of what I do for the city of Kansas City and the Chiefs of Organization. So I know I got one on my contract and I'm gonna give you guys everything I got, baby. That does it for new news brought to you by American Express. Thanks, guys.

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Yeah, I did. I'm not gonna lie. I usually like to watch it, especially the O-line guys. I watched highlights and watched it through Twitter. Highlight, I saw a little bit of the tight end workout. That's about it though. There was a nice one handed grab. Which very surprised.

Who was the tight end that had the, I think it was the tight end, I'm judging by his stature and complexion. He caught a ball with one hand and then he ended up having two balls in his hand at one point. That might have been a clip from a different year, Jason. Oh, okay.

So anyways. I was, I'm not gonna lie, I was so surprised by this tight end group's 40 yard dash. It is fun looking up the times. I, they didn't have anybody under a 4'6". And typically, I mean, you'll usually find a- A lot of blocking tight ends. Yeah, I mean.

The game's moving to more ground and pound. It is, it is. Especially with this fucking running back class they got. Everybody was a 4'3". They were running. They were moving. Running backs weren't going slow. Yeah.

Neither were the DBs. Yeah, I think there were a few top tight ends that didn't like to run, but... Yeah. Yeah, either way. There's still some studs out there know the Penn State kids good Jason Taylor son Mason Taylor LSU kid he's good the lovely kid up in Michigan there's there's there's still some talent out

there awesome in the tight end world but um yeah I was definitely it was kind of like eye-opening there was no four or five guys typically you get at least one four four guy in there that they they like the label of H-back. Yeah Meaning he's shorter. Yeah. Yeah Short kind of quicker. What are you looking at in these guys either on tape in college or in? At the combine that is like, oh, there's some talented guys. I think over the course of the you know over the course of the year watching the Penn State team

and the playoffs, watching the Michigan team over the last like two, three years, Loveland's been pretty solid. He shows up for them. But what makes, what about like, is there something when you're watching tape? Well, there's a play to be made. They make it, yeah.

Is there something when you're watching, where he does one thing, where you're like, oh, okay, yeah, that guy's got it. Yeah, make the big catch. Their catch radius is always a huge factor. How they catch it? Yeah, like when it hits their hands, it sticks. Yeah, is it like fighting the ball?

Yeah, I think. Does it like bounce off of their hands? When you get a guy with the ball in his hands and he feels confident with what he's doing, like the kid from Penn State, I forget his name, somebody can look it up for me. Yeah. Tyler Warren, when he catches the ball, for Rocks 44,

you know what he's doing when he catches the ball. He's running right through. Yeah, he's not, there's no juking him. You know what I mean? But he has a little bit of, you know what I mean? Oh, he does. Yeah, he's got a little bit of it. He's got at least, he's making a defender make a decision.

You know, and he's playing off of them, or he's like being the aggressor. Yeah. Like a guy like Gronk does and it's just like you see a guy or a guy like George Kittle where you see a guy when he catches the ball he knows he's getting north yeah and he's either running through whoever's in the way or he's finding a way to make a miss sure and that usually gets me fired up Mason is just the the Mason Taylor kid Jason Taylor's I believe it's his son yeah just a fluent athlete and he's not even Jason Taylor so, I believe it's his son. Just a fluent athlete, and he's not even 21.

He was Jason Taylor's son. Yeah, right now. He's not even 21 yet. He's not? No. So I'm like, this guy had a good amount of success at LSU, played in the SEC, and then on top of that, fluent athlete, he's only gonna get better as he gets older. He's only gonna develop more strength

and more athleticism as he gets older. So yeah, what do you got for centers? What tells you? Just offensive line in general, I feel like. Well he gets the ball to the quarterback. That's the least thing I'm worried about. We can fix that. Trust me, been there.

Fix those snap issues. Least of my concerns. No, I like just watching the way guys move, how they use their hands. Like, I like just watching the way guys move, how they use their hands. Like I just feel like you watch guys play and you can tell if you've watched enough guys play and enough teammates who has good core strength, who moves their feet well, who is always in balance. Like balance is a big one for me, come on, when I see guys that are out of balance, I'm like, okay, he's gonna get torched.

Torched, yeah, backers gonna get up under that guy. He's gonna get off balance, and then it's gonna get like judo thrown. It's like, I think, and I've been there too. I just like watching the way guys move. That's why I do actually think watching the combine, I kind of always like watching, even though I didn't do it this year

Because I do think that there is stuff to gain by watching how guys move. I really do I think that You know Jason Peters just retired right 21 years, baby Dude, and now he's working with the Seahawks come home Jason come home to Philadelphia. You gotta get Jeff and he's doing fine Stay in Seattle you do Wherever you're happy, JP. But he was never out of balance. I would watch that guy play, he would jump, and he was just always anatomically in the right position to redirect on top of being enormous and a freak athlete.

But there's just sometimes you watch guys and they're like always on their insteps or their feet are in a certain way or they're bending properly. They utilize their hands a certain way. And it makes you just like, oh yeah, I like what I see out of that. And then you'll watch other guys and even if they're like higher rated guys, it's like, Hmm, like I like this about them, but like his feet aren't necessarily the fastest or

like, you know, super quick, but he just gets engulfed sometimes a power cause it doesn't look like he has good core strength. So I'll, I'll, I love watching all that stuff, either on tape or even at something like a combine. Like if I watch a guy change direction quickly and they have good size and strength, usually they can translate to be good off its alignment. You hear that boys? Balance, balance. You have to be balanced, balance and body control and body control Jeff Stout and favorite right there right now He's got some big old boys that can balance themselves. It helps when you're six nine

375 pounds join him a lot of He's like man. Can you believe he taught that rugby guy how to play football? Oh, yeah well, he was six nine and a freak athlete, but He's also 371 pounds with 18% body fat. So yeah, I can believe he's good at football. But still, shout out to Jeff Stalin. Yeah, and Jordan. Yeah, and Jordan, definitely shout out to Jordan.

See, I actually love watching guys run their 40. I think you can watch a lot about the way a guy runs and be like, that guy's not athletic. I really do think sometimes you just watch a guy run a 40. I'm like, yeah, not interested. DK McCaff. No question. That is one that blows my theory out the water.

That guy looked like he was fighting the turf every step of the way. Moving. Angry at that fucking ground. Moving. And it's like, okay, he still panned out. But you watch some of these guys run and you're like, man, he's still panned out. Yeah, he's panned out. But you watch some of these guys run, and you're like, man, I don't like the way it looks. And nine times out of 10, it's right, though.

Like, when a guy's hunched over running, it's like, dude. I'm hunched over when I run. No, not when you're cruising. What? No. Yeah. Not hunched over like that.

Phase three, I'm staying in control right here. Balance. Yeah, no, no. It's different. I don staying in control right here, balance. Yeah, no, no, it's different. I don't wanna say names. So we did have an idea here from our production team, events they should add at the combine. What do you think? Anything, first of all, anything serious

that you think would actually be good to add. Dude, I immediately went to like, could they like chew gum and like jump rope, like I don't know. Do two things at once? Do things at once, yeah. A little rub your. Can you juggle and walk?

Or pat your head and your tummy or whatever it is? Yeah, I mean that was a decent try. I mean I can do it, I just did it. I do think innocuous things, I do like giving a kid, like for a while I was like, we should be having these top 30 guys come in, play pickleball. And I can just tell whether they want, or competitive. You want everybody to pop an Achilles and fucking blow a knee out.

That's a good point. That's why they don't do it. But I think you can tell about like competitiveness. I mean, Nick Sirianni very famously played a little Rochambeau. Ooh. about like competitiveness. I mean, Nick Sirianni very famously played a little Rochambeau. Ooh. Right? I think it's not bad. I think there's better things to figure out. Does he have any data on that?

Like if a guy goes rock immediately, is he not, he doesn't think very fast? Yeah, it's like, stupid. Didn't even move his hand. This guy's not into it. Let's go, dude. God damn it, you're about to fucking throw rock. I know you are.

Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. I like these mind games you're throwing rock now you're gonna throw rock, paper, scissors, shoot. I can't get him, I can't get him, I can't get him. Fuck. I do like little stupid things like that and seeing how they think about things or process. I was thinking in head, I'm like. There's a story that we're gonna talk about in a second. That like, we don't need, we don't need the IQ test. I just want to know what you're searching on your phone. That tells me everything. Show me your, show me your web searches. Your web search history. What is it called?

Yeah, you would learn a lot about a guy. Yeah, show me your search history. I'm not giving that up to anybody. That tells me everything I need to know. Yeah, show me your search history. I'm not giving that up to anybody That tells me everything I need to know this guy's watched over a thousand hoof cleaning videos on Instagram This is good or bad he's dedicated He's into farming. He cares about the animals. Yeah, yeah.

This guy, ah, seems a little bit too simple to me. I mean, how many times are you gonna watch a guy scrape a hoof off and stuff it with powder and pack it and wrap it and then. Every single time. Yeah, I don't think I've passed it up once on my algorithm. Alrighty, some suggestions from the production team.

How many Uncrustables can a kid eat? What would you gain from that? One, whether they like Uncrustables. Which if they don't like Uncrustables, I don't know if that affects their ability to play football, but it does affect their ability to be like a trustable human being if they don't like them. I don't trust somebody that doesn't like an Uncrustable.

Yeah. Once they get stale, man, they can get tough. Well, yeah. Has to be a fresh boy. Obviously, yes. We're talking peak Uncrustable. Mmm. Fresh. Something about that white bread that they use.

All right. There's your free advertising Uncrustable. Timing for how fast you can delete tweets. I mean... I think these are supposed to be funny. How long? No, take it down, take it down. How long can you speak without actually saying anything?

I think we would win that. We'd do well in that. What? Nothing. iPhone screen time. That's what made me think of what your search history is. Yep. I don't necessarily need to know how long

you're on the phone. I wanna know, I don't wanna know how long you're on the phone. I wanna know what you're on the phone for. Simon Says is interesting. Simon Says, what would you gain from Simon Says? It's just, I mean, it's just a pure power move, right? I like doing this weird, like Simon Says,

a kid says said like what do your aunt what are your you play along okay then if you're bad at it Simon says is kind of yeah you got a lot I can't listen you got a lock in that's not a good listener have you ever like watched like the Simon Says championship like I'm not good it goes real fasteer? Yes, it is quick. Put your hand on your hand, put your hand on your belly, put your hand on your Simon says, put your hand on your belly. Exactly like that.

That'd be electric. Yeah. We got to get a clip of that. I want to see what that seems like. Red light, green light. Do we just do all little kid games? Simon says, put your hand on your belly. I ain't play this fucking stupid game. I like that guy. Give me that guy.

That's the right answer. Podcasting. How fast can you deliver an ad read or asking someone... I mean listen, if I'm being honest, if a kid's trying to podcast, I'm not signing. I couldn't even imagine doing this outside of my first like, after my fourth or fifth year. Well that's where I am kinda being serious. I do think that rookies, like you should, if I had a podcast as a rookie, it would be real bad. Yeah, well through Twitter.

Not only would the content be bad, it would've been bad for me. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know that I would've made it. No. I would've been a professional podcaster way earlier. Way, yeah. How good they are at trash talking.

I actually really do like that one. Yeah. Find out what a guy says. You can learn a lot about the way a guy trash talks. There's some guys who just stone cold, man. They don't fucking give you anything. I know, I respect that. That's what I'm saying, that's the type.

Just very stoic mother fuckers. Men of little words. All right. All right, we didn't gain anything from doing that. So we're gonna move on. Three big combine stories. Ooh, what we got. Colorado, defensive back and wide receiver Travis Hunter

says he wants to play both ways, officially. That's right. Travis said, they say nobody has ever done it the way I do it, but I tell them I'm just different. I'm a different person. I wanna play 100% on both sides of the ball, but it's up to the organization. He actually didn't say, but it's on both sides of the ball.

We put that in parentheses to, it was inferred. What do you think about that? Is this possible? It's 100% possible. I mean, he's going to have to prove that he can do it. Nobody has ever played every single play on both sides. When Deion did it, he would be like a third, he was in like nickel, he was in like certain packages, I believe.

I could be wrong about that. I'm just kinda throwing that out there. So you think he's talking about 100% play every single down? Corner and wide receiver. That's what he's thinking, yes. That's what he did at Colorado. Well, I'm aware he did it at Colorado. That's what I'm saying.

In the NFL, he'll have to just, they'll have to scheme up around him getting too exhausted. Yeah. Like they'd really have to weigh that into their play calling both offensively and defensively. Like defense, you can't just go man and expect Travis to just run all around the field with a guy like Tyree Hill.

After he just scored a 98 yard touchdown. Yeah, as an offensive coordinator, I'm sending him on a go every play and eventually, if you're playing offense and defense, we're tiring Travis out. The wheels are gonna get at least a little worn out. Yeah, that's a great point. I haven't thought about that, scheming the other team.

Yeah. It's like, all right, we're on a run play, run him off every time. Yeah, exactly. Like getting a new guy in there And so you'd have to scheme them to be able to play cover two and I just think I think he's a better player When he's in man on on defense, I think he's you think he's a better man corner than a better zone corner I just know he plays great off of like in his zones. He can he can float around I see yeah, he has a great field of seeing routes he's good at seeing concepts and jumping certain

routes and things like that so he plays well off I would say I say off the ball but he plays well in zone coverages but I think man coverage entices QBs to throw it at him more gotcha right I just think when you get man-to-man covers in the NFL you're you think oh if I got a good guy out there I'm taking my matchup sure right. I just think that that mentality They can wear a guy out and I'm not saying that he can't do it because I was blown away by what he could do In college in terms of like playing every single down. I'm blown away. Do you I think I think it's smart I think it's smarter to find him

If you're doing if he is going to do that, I think it's smarter to to scheme it up to where you know You're not putting him in vulnerable position to get tired out faster. Got it. All right Well somebody who does think he can do it is Deon Sanders Deon Sanders is quoted saying he's gonna do it or they shouldn't draft him Senator store reporters, I'm gonna make sure of it Don't draft him if you're not going to give him the opportunity to play on both sides of the ball. I think he's proven that he needs to play on both sides of the ball.

I think he's gonna be really, I mean, yeah, I guess we'll find out, I don't know. I think it's easier for him to be on the field all the time as a defensive player and then offensively coming in on certain plays. I think that is so much easier. Like, why have him as a first, like, first, second down? Well, then, well, Deon did it the other way.

He did it where he was on the field all the time as an offensive player, and then did packages on defense. Yes, I think he could be more influential. What's the point in certain rundowns where you know it's run to have him on the field going in there, scooping out a safety? Like, could he do it? Yeah.

Could I get another guy to do that? Probably. Yeah, but there are also, that, could I get another guy to do that? Probably. Yeah, but that's also gonna be your heavy play action, take a shot down the field, and maybe you want him out there for that. Good luck, Travis. Yeah.

I'm a big fan, brother. Wanna come to KC, play both sides? Hey, there we go. That's how you get him there. Yeah, we have like the- We're gonna pay you way less, but you can play both sides of the ball. We have like the 40th pick,

we'll probably not even sniff them. Yeah. Travis did say, Travis Hunter, that is, did say that playing both ways is harder than what Shohei Otani does. Bold statement. Very bold statement. There's no way we could possibly fucking... Well, we know that physically playing both ways in football is much harder. Ten times harder. Yeah. We know that. We do know that hitting a baseball is probably the hardest thing in professional sports.

I don't know what's more impressive. I mean, first of all, I guess Shohei's more impressive because he's actually doing it. He's not only actually doing it, but he's proven that he can... In the land of make-believe on one end, the other guy's actually happening, so... He's also proven that he can be literally the best at both.

Sure. Like, he was one of the top pitchers in the league when I did before he had the surgery. It's remarkable actually, when you really do think about it. And then on top of that, he was hitting home runs and stealing bases every year of his career.

Yeah, I mean, listen, playing both ways would be remarkable. Good luck, Travis. I can't wait to watch it happen, if it does. I mean, it would be electric. I can't wait to watch and see if it does happen. It, it would be electric. I can't wait to watch and see if it does happen. It'll definitely have. He's too good on both sides of the ball.

He's proven it. He's already proven. That's the beauty of playing. Do you think he's better on offense or defense? I haven't seen enough of it. What kind of receiver is he? Is he an outside receiver? Is he a guy that can play in the slot?

He's a fucking all around athlete. Just whatever. You can put him anywhere on the football field. You can give him the reverses. You can do anything with him on the football field. You can give him the reverses. You can do anything with him on the football field. He didn't run, right? So we don't have the time from the combine.

No, but when you watch him run, you're like, yeah. Yeah, he's got it. You can tell. It's one of those where it's like, yeah, I don't need a stopwatch on that. We should probably throw him the ball. Some of those guys where you don't even need a time. You're like, him.

What's his 40? Don't know. Yep. But I know it's good enough I've seen him run like when you watch Jerry Rice run You're like he's a 4-7 guy There's no way I am a thousand percent. I am so I find it so hard To believe that he's out running DB's in the NFL just shake you get Dude, I've looked it up. It's anywhere between a 4-4 4-7. I've heard 4-7

At the combine what combine the NFL no He was like a d4 They were running at the combine back in your d3 player I don't think they were running running at the combine back then either. I don't think they were running at the combine when Jerry was coming out either. It was only medical. Bill Walsh said that? Who the fuck is Bill Walsh? Shut the fuck up. So Bill's probably giving him a friendly time there too. Or he's saying a ridiculously slow time to show that just how great he was as a football player.

There's only one way to solve this. We need to ask Jerry himself. Jerry the goat, can you please tell these jemokes you were not a fucking 4'7 in the 40s? I mean what if he was? He's still the best receiver. I know what 4'7 looks like. Maybe he just was a notorious slow starter.

Maybe he just was a strider, dude There's no way This dude was quick off the ball and he had a fucking great stride. Jerry wasn't a burner. He was a freaking route runner Why was he always behind the defense? Because they were terrified of the comeback and all the other stuff He was running underneath and he would and then go right past him true He's a great route runner. He sold it all. Yeah, well, you're not a great route runner unless they're terrified of you going deep. And you have to have speed to do that. I'm just saying sometimes you're smooth and it all looks the same. Dominic

Goodman. Dude, didn't play on the NFL, but very good college. Shout out to Coleraine, Cincinnati. Last bit of combine news. Sources have told Pat McAvee Show, shout out to Pat McAvee, that Seymour Barclay has signed a massive two year extension with the Philadelphia Eagles. Nice. 20.6 average per year. That's million, in case you were wondering. I mean, deserves every penny of that.

Yep. 36 million guaranteed at signing. Damn. 15 million available in incentives. Ew. I wonder what those incentives are. I don't like that. That's a lot of money in incentives.

I don't like that one bit. You mean I actually have to play and earn it? What? Does he have to get a 2,000 yard season every year? I'm betting that. Fuck. So yeah, I'm betting that a lot of these are max values with like, the way I used to be structured

with how I'd be like there'd be playoff incentives, Super Bowl incentives, Pro Bowls, All Pros, and then with running backs, usually you'll add in yards. So you have to like rely on someone's vote to get your incentive? That's for offensive linemen, it's typically how it happens. It's pretty shitty.

Damn, that's fucked up. I mean, I always hit mine, so it always worked out. Nah, nah, nah, it's because you podcast. Always podcast.. I mean, I always hit mine. So it always worked out because you podcast always podcast. That's right. That's why you should definitely start podcasting as a rookie. Yeah. I'm betting that a lot of these are just like kind of guaranteed ways of the Eagles to be like, Hey, we want to pay you this money, but we need, you know, if, if injuries happen or something happens, we're not paying the max value, but he's still getting broke off. I mean, 36 million guaranteed at signing is, mean that's damn good that's unbelievable

money for a running back and he deserved every time he proved how valuable not just how good he is running back but like his big play strike ability you could tell he was one of the leaders on that team oh that too I mean just a great freakin dude and it probably frees up a bunch more space to sign other guys as typical Howie Roseman Chess when everybody else playing checkers All right great delivery. I got nothing another offseason News sticking with the Eagles everyone debating the tush push Green Bay Packers GM Brian Brian has submitted a rule

Brian has submitted a rule. GM Brian has submitted a rule proposal to ban the tushbush quarterback sneak. I mean, listen, I get it. I would want to ban it too if we sucked at it and it wasn't a mechanical advantage. The only issue I have that I take up with people is saying, people saying it's not a football play at rugby. I don't know what's more of a football play. I really don't. What represents football?

Physicality, toughness, will. We're gonna fight for half a yard. You know what's coming, we know what's coming. We're just gonna bulldoze against each other like machines made of meat. Like I don't know what we're, it's like completely about football. Like this isn't, I think to some people football is like,

oh, look at this pretty class concept design. It's like, that's not fucking football. That's a different side that is, this is what football has become. This is about pure physicality and advantage for the offensive lineman because we know the snap count when it's coming and where we're going. Don't get me wrong, Jason's having fun with it,

but I just don't understand what the, like why? I think one, people wanna ban it. People wanna ban it because one, there's some people who have like a safety concern on the play. They think that it's more dangerous. In my experience, it is not a play that has much of an increased chance of injury on it. Do you guys get hurt on it sometimes?

Yes, but so does every other play that you run in the NFL. Typically, it's more of a grueling play. The plays where you get hurt are usually like these high impact collisions or somebody gets landed up on wrong or twisted and that just doesn't happen that much on that play because everybody's just nose diving forward to try and get as low as possible and push for a yard. Does it suck? Yeah, is it a fun play run? No, I mean except when you get the first down or touchdown But is there an increased chance of injury? I just haven't seen that in my experience with the play

Is there an increased chance of you being fatigued and like hating your life? Yeah And then the other thing is I think people just think it's an unfair play for the offense That they can push my argument today as you guys can push too It's not like you're just pushing on the offensive side like you guys can hunker down in there and push and you know mass accumulate mass I Don't know. It doesn't feel like teams across the league are as good as the Eagles are at it. So it feels weird to try and ban this play for an advantage that it seems like

really just one team majorly has, in my opinion. I mean, they're not trying to ban the quarterback sneak. They're just trying to ban the way you guys have perfected it. Yeah, like do we ban, if it's an unfair advantage, like do we ban Saquon Barkley from running with the football? because that seems like an unfair advantage to me, you know, I mean And that does it for the news news news We have the last bit of news and if any of you have any offseason questions Please leave us a question in the comments. Yeah, we'd love to answer them

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You got a little suave going right now. You're the suave. Take that hat off. You got the suave. I'm not doing that. Maybe just a little. Yeah, look at that. Ooh, look at that hair.

Gosh. Putting this thing back on. Can't believe you haven't started balding. What? We're Kelseys. I'm balding, Travis. I'm getting thin up there. Where? No, this is a widow's peak, not up top. You're good up top. Travis. I'm getting thin up there. Where?

No, it's just a widow's peak, not up top. You're good up top. No, it's going thin right through. That's why you do it to the side? I don't do anything. I just wake up. I don't do shit to my hair. All right, here we go.

We're doing a little food taste test for you guys. Moving on to a little new Heist food court. We have a very special theme this week on the food court. We'll be trying foods that we missed out on because we skipped Jets Jakes wedding. Jake, I can't wait to judge the food you had at your wedding. I know.

Do you know how fired up I would be to go to a wedding that's not what, do you want chicken, steak or fish? Yeah, you were invited. I don't remember getting the invite. It's on your fridge currently. Well, you know you're supposed to send that stuff to Emily. I did.

Uh. That's right. We decided not to attend. It was in the fall. It was during football season. We still chose not to go. Okay. Okay. We were on, we were busy, Jason.

Sorry, Jake. So we're told these are all LA staples. We have Heavy Handed, which is a burger out here, a burger spot out here. We have La Sorted, which is a pizza spot out here. And we have Tacos 1986. 1986. Which I would assume means they've been open since 1986. Yeah, what is that?

That's not even like an impressive. Yeah, like they just started making tacos. In 86, like that. I mean, I guess it's,, it's close to 40 years now. I mean, I can tell you right now, I'm not trying the tacos. That's all you, Jason. You're not gonna even try it? No, I'm not trying those.

Why? I'm looking at them, like, I'm not trying those. Travis, come on, it's Jake's wedding. We didn't go to the wedding. We at least gotta try the... Food number one, heavy-handed, burger and fries. All right, this feels weird eating a fry without ketchup. It is a smash burger, in case people are wondering. I can tell right away from looking at it. This is probably the roughest way to ever do a food test. It's like kind of unfair.

It has been sitting around a little bit, so heavy-handed we apologize for these ratings we're about to give you. I mean, cold fries, it's just so hard. I can't even rate this. This is a good burger. This is a good burger. Out of all the cold fries you've had where you've- I'll say, for a cold fry, absolute horse shit. I'm just gonna be honest. There are certain fries that hold up well with age, and this is not one of them.

No. Other fries that do not hold up well with age, McDonald's. McDonald's are great if you catch them right out of the fryer. That's what they remind me of. The moment they aren't hot, they're fucking terrible. It's layered with onions. I'm not eating this. Don't do a food...

You can't have me test food that I'm not gonna eat. Everyone knows my state, my criteria. I don't think everybody knows your criteria. Everyone knows I don't eat onions. I can tell you that I don't know, that everybody doesn't know, because I don't know what your criteria is. Other than white sauces and onions, those are the only two I know.

Well, there's onions on that one, so. How is it, Jason? It's absolutely delicious. Nice! There is definitely a heavy McDonald's taste in this. Ooh, little Mickey D's. Mickey D's was out here in the West Coast, started out here.

A lot of people don't know that. It's a Big Mac style sauce. Ooh, I'm in on the Big Mac. It's very good. I'm in on the Big Mac minus onion. It's a very good burger. Nice. If this was warm it would be incredible and I will say I think this is better than Five Guys. No. I don't think it's even a question. That's better than Five Guys? I'm not a oh wait. You're thinking of In-N-Out. I was thinking In-N-Out. I screwed that up. It was about to say definitely better than in and out I think it's probably better than five guys to it. I'm gonna know

you know, you're more of like a Smash burger type guy anyways, though. I don't discriminate. I am on a mission to find the best burger I've been trying to I'm trying burgers all over the place. I love burgers. Nice. I got a burger spot for you There's one in LA called Franken it up. It's just a food truck in Santa Monica or something like that. Yeah, I'm out on food trucks. Well, it's not even a truck. It's just like a guy set up in a residential zone. I don't even know if it's permanent, but fucking guy makes a great burger.

At least after 15 micheladas. One out of 10. One out of 10, where you going? For a cold burger, one out of 10, those pickles are great. They're very good. I like pickles now. For a smash burger, one out of 10, those pickles are great. They're very good. I like pickles now. For a smash burger, nine. I'm gonna give that.

It is a really good burger. It is a really good burger. For a smash burger, what it is, if this was warm, I'd be like devouring it. I mean, you are. You've taken four bites and it's already gone. You got, that's your fourth bite right there. Cold fries, definitely get them warm. All right, heavy's your fourth bite right there. Cold fries definitely get them warm.

All right, heavy handed, got a nine. I'm going to be one of the highest scores Jason's ever got. Can you not just take the onions off? Food number two, La Sorta. Peppers. We have cheese, we have cheese, we have cheese. Cheese, nah, it's too childish.

Oh, gross. I can do peppers, I can do peppers. I don't prefer it, but I can do peppers. I don't think peppers on pizza go great, but I'll do peppers. I can do peppers. I don't prefer it, but I can do peppers I don't think the peppers on pizza go great, but I'll try ready. You're still you still got Great sausage, all right a little pepper and hamburger meat. It's not bad. I'm like Positive that sausage. Yeah, it probably is sausage. I looped the two in, same thing. Can we get confirmation?

Sausage and peppers, I mean, it's pretty good. Very good. It's pretty good. I fucking love a good Detroit-style pizza, a New York-style pizza, but I don't know. I don't know, it's not cheesy enough for enough sauce for me, it's a little dry. I do agree, there could be more sauce, and more cheese. The bread and dough, I actually't know. It's not like cheesy enough for like enough sauce for me. It's a little dry I do agree there could be more sauce. Yeah and more cheese the bread and dough. I should I'm in on though

I'm in on the bread and dough. I'm in on the bread and dough. The sausage is really good. The flavors are fantastic I like this a little bit of solid play. It's got like does that red pepper flakes on it? Yeah 100% it does I'm in on that. I'm in on a little spicy. I don't think long green peppers should be on a pizza. But it's good. It is a good piece of pizza. I'm going, see, I'm a pizza fucking guy, dude. I eat pizza. It's also hard, this isn't a warm pie.

It doesn't matter, pizza cold or hot can be fucking delicious. Sometimes cold pizzas. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying, you don't always get that with burgers. As it lingers and I get more. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. You don't always get that with burgers. As it lingers and I get more of that spice, I like it. The bite is pretty solid.

I'm going a solid seven. I'll go a seven on that. It's got really good crust. The texture of the dough and everything, they nailed all that. Yeah. If it was just a little more robust with the ingredients, it would just really,

Really just knock those taste buds out. It'd be right up there. I mean, it would just really... Really just knock those taste buds out. It might be perfect, I mean, it'd be right up there. I mean, it'd be real good. I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go 8.2. You threw it up there. You're pretty generous right now. I think you're just hungry. I am, I am on a diet caloric deficit,

so this food tastes amazing compared to food without fats and sugar. We're right up your alley. Nice, so we got a nine from Heavy Handed. I'm also trying to gauge because it's not like right out of the oven. Trying to be a little bit generous. Anticipating that it'd be. Look at you.

Fucking good Samaritan. Well Heavy Hand handed nine, Lasorta. I go 70, he goes 8.2, so that puts us at about 7.6. This fucking taco. Good luck. That avocado has been sitting out. Oh, I thought that was like bean sauce. It's avocado.

It's just been browned because it's been oxidized. Avocado, if you don't eat it immediately, just oxidizes. Are these all the same? No. This looks like chicken. Chicken is possible. What did you have at your wedding? I mean, unless they have...

Unless you had tofu tacos... We got all the tacos at one. Love the tortilla. Big corn tortilla only. I used to eat flour tortillas. Oh, we ate... Oh, we ate ground up flour. Oh, we ate this, yeah. Big corn tortilla only. I used to eat flour tortillas, oh we ate, oh we ate ground up flour. Oh we ate this, yeah. I still eat them.

I can't fucking eat flour tortilla. I can do it, maybe there's a seafood taco. I can't, like eating a flour tortilla now just feels so gross. I love the crunch. No, I'm out. You don't see, you don't get them the way they're supposed to be.

Flour tortillas? Yeah, you probably get them a little soggy and like they're not as crunchy. Flour tortillas? Yeah, you probably get them a little soggy and like they're not as crunchy and as fun as the, I'll still go to Taco Bell, get two and two. I'll get too soft, too hard. It's a good chicken taco. Chicken taco by far, least favorite taco of all the time.

Yeah. Sure, what is this? Do you have like an alpestor, what's that, is that pork? I think that's carnitas. Let's try the carnitas Jesus Christ Caloric deficit You get the eyebrows up, you know, it's a good thing you get those eyebrows to go up that means you've surpassed Expectations or there was a little jolt of flavor town that he was.

I mean, it's a great taco. I will say. Let's wrap it up. I mean, they're good tacos. Tacos are one thing that I feel like the more off the beaten trail you go, the better the tacos are. Like, it's just the way I feel with tacos.

Like, the more commercialized it is, it's just not as good of a taco. If I'm catching this out of somebody's like back of their Vehicle that they drive it's gonna be the best fucking taco bell made a living on selling rat food They're good, they're very good. Oh He's going for the moon pie Oh, yeah, he's going for the moon pie Yeah, is that like a real thing or is that like a gordita no, it's a real thing looks like a KC to me It's not a case of you

It's a taco burger the heavy breathing is the fucking illest part of this entire thing. I mean it's hard because Corn tortillas should be eaten fresh. God damn. All right, we gotta give it one out of 10. Where are you going? I bet with all this being fresh, these are probably about as good of a commercialized taco as you can get.

But like the last time I was in LA, I went to like the street that Whole Foods is on in Santa Monica. I'll eat those tacos over these any day of the week. Harder to order from. I would say I will give these a seven, eight. Seven, eight? Nice, well that does it for Food Court

brought to you by Suave Men and shout out to Jets Jay for getting married. How about it? I had no idea that guy. What are your ratings for these foods, Jake? Burgers of 10. 10? 10 out of the burger, okay.

Nowhere to go, nowhere to go. Let's just never be tough. It's my favorite burger in LA. It's easily my favorite burger in LA. Well, it better be your favorite in the world if you're giving me a 10. I'm giving more than one man. Arronious.

This is where you and I disagree. Alright, go ahead. Pizza, 8.5 and tacos, I'd give a 7.3. 7.3? Yeah. Nice. Nice, you guys are kind of on the board. I think we're, that's pretty, yeah, we're in the same ballpark.

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