New Rory & MAL - Best of Rory & Mal: Week 9/8

Episode Date: September 14, 2025

This week on New Rory & Mal, Mal recalls Aaliyah sneaking him into the 2001 NBA All-Star Game, Rory takes issue with mothers attaching step father's last names to their children, Demaris tries to rally the pod to go to an NBA Youngboy concert, and Mal can't think of anybody who is a better dancer than Chris Brown #volume  All lines provided by hardrock.betSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Who? That's far. Really? In 2001, when we went to D.C. Because we all had, we had a skybox. We had a suite. But when we were on the way there, obviously, it was right in D.C. A bunch of people came down.

So it was like, yo, it ain't tickets for everybody. but we got a suite. So you don't need to be sitting down in the suite, but you need a ticket to get into the building. So we get there and I'm walking and then Alia's like, you got a ticket. I was like, nah. She was like, damn.

So what happened was because we all walked up at the same time, they didn't scan them. They just wanted you to show the ticket. So everybody showed the tickets. So I'm standing right behind Alia. So she showed her ticket. Dame was standing there with her. And she kind of like did this.

move right here and like handed me her ticket. Oh, G move. Yeah. And I just flashed the ticket and we all got in and we was just died. Yo, it was about 50 of us in that Skybox and it was only like 20 tickets. That's always that. That's always that. The greatest shit is just passing the bands and passing.

Oh, my God. That was a classic weekend. That weekend in D.C.? Yeah, you always got a story. Every time you talk about it, you got a different story from it. Yeah. I mean, before it was Hove taking a girl and we talked about that, but you completely left out that Alia snuck you into the game.

And then he also said, he was in a section with Chilling with Bow, while that same year. Yeah, at the, at the, at the, um, I think the name of the club was Zanzibar in D.C. at the time. Sounds like a juice bar now in Brooklyn. Name of the club was like Zanzibar, something like that. Nellie was on fire at that time.

He was performing. Our hotel was where everybody was staying. The players were staying. Yeah. I mean, every fucking artist. Yeah, every, every artist that was down there was staying there. Like, that shit was crazy.

That was like definitely one of the best weekends ever. Well, I mean, I'm, it's not to make any. anything morbid, but do you know how beautiful of a blessing that is that you had that weekend six months before Leah died? Leah died six months later. Six months. I was in, we were in, we were together a week before she died in the Hamptons. When we found out she died, we was in the Hamptons at the house and it was crazy because like her like in the room, like her lotion, her toiletries makeup, sneakers was like still in the room. Oh my God. That was a freak. Oh my God. That is. Yeah,

that was like, it was just around this time in August. and some in the Hamptons. So imagine getting that call and like being in the same house that I was all just in the week before because it was the summer house in the Hamptons. And like you could still physically see toilet trees and sneakers and you know how crazy that was? Like thinking back, that was like that almost felt like an unreal moment.

And then seeing it, Kurt Loder, I think, broken on MTV. Obviously we knew before MTV announced it. And then my brother, God bless Biggs and Bob, they left. They went back to the city because Dane was just, he was fucked up. And so they left the Hamptons and drove back down to the city. And we was all just sitting in the house just like, this shit can't be real. Like, it was the crazy. Like everybody, we had the two-way pages, so everybody was getting the messages on their two-ways.

Like, it was crazy. But it was like eerie because, again, the pool, everybody was just in, like, at the same house. Literally the weekend before. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You know how crazy? Like that was like, and you still physically seeing stuff that she was like, those are her things, some of her things.

Like that's how crazy of a like eerie feeling that that shit was. Like what? Like this cannot be real. And it, yeah, it just passed, right? Yeah. Because it was September. Yeah. It just passed a couple weeks ago.

Yeah. No, it was like that was, man, 24 years ago. Shit. How much did that like derail every, that was going on. Because she was cool with everybody. Yeah. Like, no, she was, she was hanging out with softball games. I mean, I've seen pictures of stuff. Yeah, she was one of the, she was, she was, she was, that was the homie, man. That was, you know, that was, she was, she was like the prototypical my girlfriend could hang around and got my home. Yeah, yeah. Like, it was that type of thing.

Like, looking back, everybody was young because she was only, what, 21? 22. 22. I think she was 202 when she passed, yeah. Yeah, man. So it was like, Everybody was young, man. It was shit, 24 years ago. That's crazy. But yeah, no, it was definitely a sad, like super, that was one of the more dark, sad moments, I think I could remember. Obviously, when my brother passed is probably the most crushing thing ever. But Alia's death, because it was so tragic and sudden.

And, you know, obviously, you know, it was just like, what? But, you know what I'm saying? She was so young when you think about it, it was definitely one of the greatest times. But it was definitely a fun, a fun moment, though, a fun moment in time like those years. It was definitely a lot of fun, a lot of laughs, a lot of good memories. But yeah, definitely some heartbreaking shit, though. Just thinking about it. Because I remember, I thought I wanted to talk about that last week.

I think when it was the anniversary. And it just slipped my mind. But now thinking about it, talking about All-Star Weekend. And Alias definitely giving me a ticket sneaking me. in the whole-star game. Yeah. I mean, I've always felt like,

and it may sound like a crazy sentence, but I've always felt like Aaliyah is the biggie of R&B. The time that she had here, the blueprint that was left for everyone, the current R&B, what we talk about like,

everyone now is fucking Dwayne, Chief Keefe, like, you know, the influences we talk about of how everyone makes music now. Her DNA is all over the new way. of R&B. I think it may be the most direct person to everything that R&B is now. Like from fashion to how she sung, to how she constructed her actual records. To me, it's all Aaliyah. Like every last bit of it is Aaliyah to me. The whole new wave of R&B, even on the

mail side to me, is Aaliyah. Yeah. I would have to, I would say Aaliyah and Brandy. Yeah, of course, of course. But even like with modern, like, even when traditional R&B sort of came back, after Aaliyah's passing in the mid-2000s a bit, like with Keisha Cole, et cetera, the wave that came in from Jenei on is all Aaliyah. Every last bit of that is Aaliyah from the attitude to the look to how you sing.

Everything to me is Aaliyah. The time she had and the impact she made. Mariah the scientist reminds me of Aaliyah a lot. Yeah. Like I was listening to her album, listening to her music, like her tone and everything. Like it gave me Aaliyah like that, that whole sound and that texture like it's very soft yeah i should even on sOS scissors's last

project like it was a little more poppy but did y'all not get alia's DNA all over that that's his project like scissors alia to me yeah all of them are are very much that where traditional rmb has shifted i think alia was also that for her era like she wasn't traditional rmb she was making something new that was different with Missy and Tim. Yeah. Nah, she... Damn, when you think about 22 years, that is crazy. But that's what I'm saying even with big, like, you think about the time, we talk about

the Pock and Big shit, which is an era of, what, three years, four years? Like, Alia, obviously she was, when age and nothing but a number came out, she was young, but her span was, what, four, five years? Five years? Five, maybe five. Maybe five. And look at what she did in that five-year, three. Shit, like it's a, it's stamped forever.

For what you did in five fucking, before he was 22, it was a fucking idiot at 22. Yeah, I'm an idiot now. That sounds so great. But like, look at what you did in this time before you was 23 years old. When I look at pictures of Big now,

like, it's crazy how I could see exactly how young he was. Like, when I look at photos of Biggie right now, I'm like, yo, he was a, he was a kid, bro. He was like, you look at pictures. I'm like, you can tell. That's not like he's no old. and 23, like 24 years old. Like, it's crazy when you think about how young, like, a lot of these drill rappers are

older than Biggie was. Hell yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's like, it's crazy when you really think about that shit. Because he was 24, he carried himself. But he was 25, right? Yeah. But it's just like, when I look at pictures now, like, really just look at his face.

I'm like, man, he was so young, man. It's less about, like, the photo shoots and the videos when the last Biggie Doc on Netflix that I think D. Rock provided all, like, the. footage for, that's when I watched it and I was an adult, like, that is a, that's a child. Yeah. Like, that literally looks like a child. A lot of this stuff, you know, photo shoots can make you look a little different. That video, that raw video footage of like him and DRock in the hotel in LA. I'm like, that's a, that's a child. That is a baby right there. Yeah. Yeah. It's just that I was so young, you know, I'm saying, like I was younger than, than, than, than he was. But now,

like, looking back, it's like, I could see it all in his face. Like, he was, he was, he was, he was kids, man. Like, even Pock. Like, you look at pictures of Pock photos. It's like, these was young boys running around, man. Like, with all the, you know, fame and attention and money and things like that. But they was essentially young, 20-year-old kids, man. Like, it's wild. You would have to have my jail call if I found out that you added another last name to my kid, speaking of future. Oh, you're so ridiculous. How am I ridiculous? Talk to it.

First of all, he wouldn't have to find out because Sierra has full custody of her kids. So you, I'm sure she told him that it was happening. I'm sure it didn't. And first of all, it didn't happen. It came out a source close to Sierra, which is probably Sierra's process. A source close to Sierra. The source close to Sierra. It was Jazzy Fay.

Came out and said that happened a while ago. We're just now privy to it. But that happened a while ago and that it was just added on. It's not like. But it was a, it's an Instagram name. It's not a, she didn't show a legal ID, right? No, but they at the tennis shit. But I think it, I think, no, I think it's official that like that his name, his last

name has Wilson in it. Oh, no. But see, I, no. But see, I did, okay. Nah. You fighting just to fight. Nah. We podcasting right now?

Who's podcast? I'm asking you. Are we podcasting? The bottom of my healed heart. He's a father. Okay. Are you fucking crazy? Okay.

He's an active father. He has, he takes, if, if anybody was going to have full custody of Amara, it would be you. I don't even like the term active father because then like, no, I'm a father. Okay, you're a father. That baby lives 24-7 with his stepdad and has since he was one years old. So why is it not okay for him to add the name on, be adopted by his stepdad and add the name on? What's wrong with that?

Adopted. He got two parents. People, you can still get adopted even when you have. I know. Those are the videos that made me cry the most, but it's not the same circumstance of two parents that are living. Why isn't it? If one is taking full care of him. That's his dad, bro.

That's his dad. Again, this is other people's kids that we don't even know about. If Little Future calls Russell Dad, no, I mean, I get the stepdad. I think stepdad are important. I think it's healthy for that entire thing. But adding the last name typically only happens when the father has either passed away or is completely absent. Like, you don't even know what that motherfucker is.

We tried 23 and me. We tried everything to find this. That's changing the last name. She did not change it. She added one on because something that people brought one up, and again, we don't know these people's business. It's all speculation. Something that people brought up is the fact that everybody else in the household

has the same last name, his brothers, his sisters, whatever, and he doesn't. He got 75 brothers and sisters with different last name. Okay, but that's not his immediate family. Oh, so she added Wilson. Wait, his siblings aren't his immediate family? She added Wilson on. Okay, so he still has his dad's name. Yes.

There's literally nothing wrong with that. There's literally. Oh, sure. No, I think outside looking in, it's a very healthy co-parenting situation and what they're doing. I'm just saying. Okay, so he still has. There's fucking way another last name is being added. He still has futures last name.

Like where we're, okay. You still has features last name. He just added the Wilson. Okay. I'm not mad at that respect. People have been talking about that dynamic since that baby. You say you're going to what? I'm going to say something real ignorance. Say it.

Same way with these rappers after we find out some shit about them, we can't really like respect their lyrics. Talked about the cold thing. If I ever hear future rap an ounce of a violent lyric, I don't believe you. Everybody dying. Everybody's dying. Why? being ridiculous. The mom is married.

She's remarried. She's married to a, uh, congrats. That's amazing. What that got to do with my son? Has full custody of her child. Okay. Full custody.

You know what full custody is? I'm, I know what full custody is. Okay. That means I don't even got to ask if his, I don't even got to ask his daddy to take him out of the country. I have full custody of my kid because I'm the only one taking care of this motherfucker.

You no longer have a say. You keep speaking from an apt to dad's perspective. You're speaking from this perspective of an act of dad. That's all I'm speaking. Okay. So then you can't speak on that situation. Period. I do not know.

I'm asking you because I don't know. Future is not active at all. I'm sure he has a relationship with his kid, but when another one, when you give the mother full custody, you know what that means, ma'all. You know what it is.

There's plenty of active fathers, real fathers, where the mother has full custody, though. That's usually joint, that's usually joint custody. That's, they usually have joint custody. Full custody is not just,

I live with you full time and I get, and they get the baby. No, no, no, no, full-time custody is legally. They have joint custody. Legally, that's what,

this is AI. I was going to say AI I'd be wrong sometimes. But the future, but his son lives primarily with Sierra. When it says what is co-parenting like for you when somebody, I remember that interview, somebody asked Sierra that Sierra just started laughing. See, I don't know what that. I hate when women do that. Because that laugh.

Sierra, answer, talk. No, laugh. You can laugh, but then like answer the question. But I think, I think Sierra was trying to be respectful as possible and try to stay away from mess when they asked her. I respect that. Yeah. She definitely does a great job of that. She doesn't end up in a lot of mess.

But yeah, I mean, I think they have joint custody. She's never prevented her son from seeing his dad. But again, again, I don't know. The source came out and said Sierra got full custody. And I don't, sources like that don't usually just pop. Russell Wilson is 34. Yeah, he's young. Remember, he's young.

He's young. He's considered a dinosaur in the NFL. He was like, when's this old fuck going to retire? Russell Wilson is 34. Yeah, he's younger than me. It's crazy, right? I hate getting older. I thought he got drafted.

Oh, he's 36. That's still. I thought he got drafted at 36. Really? I thought Russell Wilson was closer to 40 than 30. I thought he was way closer to 40 than 36. Sierra's 39. He's 36.

Okay. Sierra's 39. That makes sense. Wow. Okay. Do we owe a hove an apology? For what? future got real bent out of shape with that that bar on kill j z it appeared to be some prophecy there

yeah oh got that right he got that you crashed out and it was it was right well i mean i don't i mean whatever's healthier for the kid yeah and if listen russell wilson stepped up you know he obviously him in sierra obviously married um so you know siara wants to give her son you know the last name of wilson added to wilburn So be it, man. As long as the, as long as the, you know, as long as the child is raised with love. And it looks like he is. It looks like he is.

All right, but which one goes last? I think Wilson is at the end. Well, yeah, Wilson because Sierra's last name now is Wilson as well. Nah. He mean, nah. You got, it got to be Wilson, Wilburn. If we're going to add this into the mix, at least my last name needs to be the last one. Okay.

I mean, if that's how you feel, you know, you're a real dad. I can't argue with you on that, you know what I mean? So what I mean? And shit, the way we see Russell playing with Future, like, and we know Future is a tall guy that looks like he comes from a great gene pool. Low Future could make the league. What happens when Wilburn Wilson is on the back of the jersey? Like, that's going to fly off the stands.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, it's going to fly off the stand because of the Wilson. Or what happens when... And who has stepped at it. But what happens if Sierra does like a chair? choreography dance with her son's jersey and it just says Wilson on the back. Well, that's her last name.

No, but it's his jersey. She's wearing her son's jersey. Okay. Everyone's dying. I feel, listen, man, I, I stay out of that. I just think that that's completely ego-driven. It's so ego-driven. Wait.

That's completely ego-driven. What is ego-driven? Of course, I'm joking around, but like, what is ego-driven with it? That's not ego-driven. You don't think that you worrying about, yo, my son's, last name when you are not there every day with your son, somebody else is, you're that worried about that? My name is my name. My name has my daddy's blood on it. Like my daddy's blood on it. So if your blood means nothing is more important than your last name, your legacy, your family.

Yes, nothing is more important than your last name, your legacy. What about your son that you don't have full time, that you'd rather run around? You and I are talking. Future's not in the room. I don't know future. I don't know what he does with son. I'm telling you why you think I think that would be crazy. Yeah, that's nuts to me. And first of all, I'm also someone that was fine like, Even with Kia, if you wanted to hyphenate that shit and say Jacob Farrow, I'm fine with that. But adding somebody else in the mix with a name, no, the name means something. Yeah, it means something. The person that sent him there raped. I got a tattoo like an idiot at 14 years old, my family crest, because that's just what you did.

Because you didn't, like, I forget my last name for some reason. But yeah, that shit is very much important. No? Is your last name not important to y'all? Yes, you're important. And it's still there. That might be in like a good box. Exactly. Exactly. Like, it's just the confusion. Like the confusion is so crazy. Pete said you can prevent that by just like being a good dad.

I'm saying future is not in this room. We don't know him. I'm talking you and I. Like to me, yes, I would have a huge issue. And we also don't know. And I'm putting anything on Sierra. I'm sure there's been plenty of times where there's been women that have held their child away from the father because they got a new relationship. Like let's not act like all women are the most amazing mothers and don't use their kid as a weapon. Okay, but we weren't talking about that. We were talking about the future situation. I know. I was going off. I was going off. No, I was going off with people. I don't know anything about their dynamic with their child, so I don't know. That's why I was saying off what Peach said, you could just be a good father. And I'm saying there's also women that have had children with good fathers that they keep away from their kid. For sure. Get a new relationship.

I'm going to just spite you and add this last name here. Like, let's not act like that doesn't exist. For sure. Absolutely. Yeah. But how, like I. To me playing with last names is like a. When people say that, it's just like, yes, there are.

I'm sure there's women that are just so upset. And they just, you know, you're such a good dad, but they. just want to keep the baby away from you. But let's be honest, how often does that really happen? You're really a great dad, but they want to keep the baby away from you. They want to keep their kid 24-7 to be a single mom and had his bad motherfucker living in this house with me, 24-7, but you're such a great dad. They won't give them to you. How often do you think that really happened? Let's talk about the rapper from Atlanta that put nobody on. His verse on Donda, Andre 3000. Hey, Ms. Donda, can you ask my father if you felt insecure that he didn't have my last name?

My mama probably did it out of spite. It happens. all the time. Like what do we, he literally rapped about a healthy relationship of just young people having a kid and out of spite because she was in her feelings and a young lady that didn't know what she was doing was mad at the dad. His dad's last name is not Benjamin. That's his mother's last name. Okay, but that's, probably did it out of spite. But that's, okay, we're talking about him having his mother's last name, not another man's last name or keeping

away from, keeping the kid away from his dad. We're talking about a last name. I'm saying people, not just women, do things out of spite and the last name is a big thing. Yes. In that regard. We know that there's a spiteful thing I'm purposely giving my son, my last name, even though my father is active right here, but she's doing it out of spite because they are in a rocky relationship.

Okay. Just because Andre said that on a song also does not mean that that's just that. Because also if we're not, if we're not married, why does my son have your last name and not mine? Why is your last name more important that my son who I pushed out of my pussy should have a different last name than me. Because of misogyny. Exactly.

Oh, cool. Yeah. Exactly. But Andre 3000 didn't say, okay, because the world has been misogynistic since the day of time, he said she probably did that in spite. Yeah. No, I'm with you. That's why I even said to Kyia.

If you want to do the hyphenet shit, like there was one kid in my school that had the hyphenate thing. We all thought he was a fucking weirdo. But, you know, that kid usually ends up weird that has the hyphen, but I'm here for the hyphen. But I'm here for the hyphen. You know, I'm not wrong. The kid with the hyphen ends up a little weird.

That's not true. That's very true. I feel like we can find out. I feel like there's a study on that somewhere. I feel like we could find out the exact percentage. But because I do agree that a lot of that is based off ancient misogyny where the father just, the last name goes to the kid. I was here for the hyphen. Keith was like, no.

Marcia just had your last name. But I was open to it. I was definitely not against it at all. My kid will have a hyphen, whether I'm married or not. I respect that. Matter of fact, I don't know if I'm going to have more kids. will have a hyphen? Whether I'm married or not, my kid.

His father's name and your name? Even if I get married, my last name will be hyphenated. So my last name means a lot to me, a lot to me. I never said last names don't matter, Rory. You're being obtuse on purpose. I never said last names didn't matter. My last name means a lot to me, so I'm hyphenating regardless. But I've dealt with men that were like, I'm not with that.

And I was like, I didn't plan on marrying you anyway. But some men don't like that, which is just so, it's all just ego-based to me. Like, my kid will have my last name. Yeah, so will mine. It will have my last name too. My grandfather put a name on my last name and so to his parents. So, like, yeah, my shit means a lot to me. It can be hyphen.

Yeah, shit. I don't know if I want to have more kids. Most of my cousins are, are. So I have a girl. So, like, the feral legacy, at least in this part of the tree, like, may end. So, yeah, Amara, you hyphen end that shit. Exactly. I just swear I'm at with it.

I think I just want kids to be happy and healthy, man. No, no, no, no, no, it's about you. It's not about the kids. No, she's no. It's about how you feel. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying.

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I'm saying young boy just blowing up. I know. I'm sorry I corrected myself. That's why I corrected myself. He's entering into my old-ass stratosphere of old people shit, right, who's still playing a clip's album over and over again. Like, he's starting to go viral over here. I'm like, damn, like NBA Young Boy's shows look lit.

Oh, no, it's show. This shit looking like something to be at. He has a real, real fan base. But I do like seeing this because a lot of people, including myself, say, all right, you stream crazier than everyone. Can you sell a ticket? Not only is he selling crazy. Everyone knows every fucking word.

They're losing their mind. Kai is crying. Like, my bad. Yeah, seeing NBA Young Boy shows definitely, like, confirmation that I'm just old. I don't know one NBA Young Boy, like, song. and like I'm watching the clips and I'm like I love the like seeing the entire like stadium

arena everybody into it everybody knowing but it's kind of like I'm looking at this shit like oh this is a whole part of the culture that I have no idea you look like the Jay Z meme when he was like yeah like I'm doing this shit off like he's flowing and I'm just like

and I'm looking at you know just the audience and everybody knows all the lyrics and things like that and I'm just like the energy is what is a trap I'm like oh shit like this is a show if you go out on stage as an artist it is your own it's it's your like there's nothing probably greater than looking out into a fucking arena and everybody knows every word you're saying like

that's an artist's dream you know what I'm saying so to see that and to see everybody so like just turned up and you know I'm saying that somebody from it's like okay like this is this is a show this is these are like his fans like people that have been waiting to see him live they couldn't wait for this moment. It couldn't wait for this tour to come to their city. Like, this is what hip hop is about. Like, rapper comes on stage. Everybody goes crazy. Nobody's trying to be, you know, cool. Everybody standing on their seats, shirts off, rapping. The girls know all the lyrics. The guys know the lyrics. Like, that to me is just some incredible shit to witness. But. So we're going? I don't like we should go as a social experiment. I don't know if that's the.

social experiment, though. I don't know if you want to socially experiment with an NBA young boy live show. I am curious. I feel like you'll get chased out because they, I feel like his fans know. They get it. Yeah, you know, you ain't supposed to be here. This ain't for you. Like, well, don't try to jump on now. Yeah. Like, we've been, this been a whole way. Obviously, I'm familiar with NBA young boy. I don't know his music the way his fans, you know, know it, but I'm familiar with the fan base that he has. I'm familiar with the following that he has and the streaming numbers that he does. Like, we, all know that, but to now see it. Like night after night, he just did LA last night.

Kai was there. Kai's crying. I'm just seeing this shit. I'm just like, yo, what is happening right now? I'm curious based off the sound of stuff. Like, for example, when we saw Gucci versus Jezzy and we saw the difference, Gucci being the legend that he is, a lot of his legendary records were never mixed. They was thrown out.

Like, Jezzie had Def Jam behind him with the biggest budget. His records just feel. feel expensive, they sound expensive. The Gucci shit didn't hit the same next to that. I've never seen an arena tour. Young Boys volume, like how much he puts out. Some of his most classic records are like two-track shit that I don't even know how it could sound an arena. Yet when I see the footage, it looks like fucking Jay Cole's performing.

That's what I want to see. Like how are these records transferring in a arena? I've never seen anyone do that. Do my young boy? the type of music he makes and even some of the classic core fan-based records he has are so low quality I'm not talking about him but they're low quality records you can tell you two track it was like you'll upload that to the internet now

I would love like I want to know how that rings off in an arena because even Gucci Gucci has classic shit but even though just on a stream next to GZ with an expensive sound it was like damn this is a classic GZ record but it don't hit because it's just don't sound yeah the same next to this and then in a state and an arena Yeah, like I got to know how that sounds. All that shit from Young Boy sounds look like is going off. I love seeing people online saying,

yo, if he don't perform this one, I'm going to be upset. Like, all of that to me is just dope to see people so engaged with an artist like that. And then for NBA Young Boy to go out there and, you know, it seems like he's, you know, he's fulfilling the request. Yeah. He's doing all the joints that, you know, his fans want to hear. I just think this is some really, really dope shit to watch. Josh, I'm sending you the viral TikTok that's like going on right now with this girl that has like everybody like, well, damn, I want to go to the NBA show.

That's the one that made me want to go to the NBA show. I'm like, yo, I want to feel this passionately about music. Like, they screaming that shit like when the first month that like dreams and nightmares came out. I'm like, I want to feel that feeling again. I want to feel that. Bitch, I'm a boss feeling again. The niggas and Paris feeling. Like I haven't had that feeling in a while.

A connection to it because they lived through the time of. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. We can't go because it's like we would just be trying to. get on board now. And it's kind of like, we're not going to understand it. We need some time to really like,

I mean, it sounds fire. That she looks like, that sounds fire. She can't let her the fuck out of this too. I pause it. Josh, but we get,

um, which I'm gonna call it demonetized. But come on, man, how do you not? That shit sounds fire to me. I can't, I want to go with her.

Yeah. Like, I want to go with somebody that's going to like wrap those lyrics in my face so I start to feel like, oh, this is it,

this is, see, that's why I know I can't go. close to your chest. Because you know how I'm at shows. I'm just standing there literally just watching the artist perform. I'm not, you've been to me to me with Drake shows.

You're like, you're just standing there. And I know all these records. I don't know all of these records. So I'm really going to be listening, standing there watching young boy perform. And I can't go with somebody that knows and they hyped and they're trying to get me. I'm like,

oh, bro, I don't even know what he's saying. Nick's going to be mosh-picking. Yeah, so it's fake if I go. Because I don't even know these songs like that. So some of them, I'm like, I might know a couple of the bars. Like, yeah, I remember that ball right there.

But these people are, like you said, Roy, they grew up with this shit. They lived with this music. They couldn't wait for Young Boy to come to their city. Like, they've been waiting for this moment for years. So now that it's here, I just think it's dope to see it. And shout out the Young Boy, man, because, you know, being able to develop a fan base like this and all of these years of curating this sound for your audience. And now being able to go to these cities and sell out these arenas. is some dope shit

so salute me a young boy man I'm gonna check it out I feel like I've always judged him by the way he looked Mm-hmm Like

I mean he looked like every other Yeah no That's why I don't listen to them If I if I met you He looked like who else Who? A bunch of artists you listen to

It's the same look Who? Who? Who? Demas you listen to ratchet shit Not men That's what I listen to women ratchet shit

I don't listen to men Ratched shit I don't know none of this shit None of these people If I will meet you in a dark alley and you look like I should be afraid of you like I should cross the street. I don't really check your music out. I don't know. And I shouldn't do that.

I should be better, which is why I'm going to check out some of NBA's music. I don't be listening to these rappers with the tattoos and shit on their face like that. I don't listen to that. You listen to Wayne? I was just about to say. Okay, Wayne. The original, the creator, right? But these new ones, no.

And y'all don't either. Why about looking at me like I'm crazy? Oh, no. I've tried with you. I just said it. I'm aware that He has been a superstar in his own right with his fan base for a long time. I've seen the numbers. I've tried. I've done the Jay-Z headbop, like, pretending like, I think this is all right, but I'm never going to listen to this to again.

But I need somebody like that girl to sell it to me with the green hair. What's worse with a concert? Going with somebody that's way too cool, like I'm all bringing up the Drake show when we was there. Or, for example, Diani, Scotty Beam, love you to death. Every cold show I go to with her, she's rap. wrapping every fucking word in my face the entire time. Oh, y'all should have shown me.

I was insane at the cold show. I was in suffering. No, I can't see. So which one do we like? Because I feed off Dionys' energy. It makes it feel a little bit better. Like sometimes I'll wrap back with her. I get mad if I'm in the car and somebody's rapping the whole song.

Oh, no, no. A car, that's too much. So now we have to show. A concert too loud enough where you can wrap a lot. If we have to show, if we have to show, you keep, you keep jumping in my ear and my face trying to get balls. I'm gonna, it's worse. It's like, yo, shut the fuck.

The artist is right here in front of. of us like let them do that you shut you shut up. Nah that was me at Cole I was talking like but you've wrapped along at a concert before no I'm not saying screaming in someone's face but yeah but I'm not grabbing you trying to like get you like but to that type of show that's what you gotta do at this show you got to punch somebody in their face yeah like you got yeah you got to punch somebody in their face for interest it's like a jello shot yeah this is this is that's just what this is it's it's it's dope to see it man it's definitely dope to see it I know he did LA last night I

think. I'm not sure where else is going, but, yo, I got, I got, I got, I got to, I got to, I got to, I got to download more and be a young boy music and learn the music more. So I can before I can go to a live show. I can't just go out there not knowing, I got to know the music. I have to know the music. He comes into Newark, September 29th. Almost birthday. Well, not your actual birthday, but your birthday weekend. Yeah, nah, no, no. I can't be new. I would have considered the garden or Barclays. Oh, Barclays. I live closer to the Prudential Center. You have Barclay September 27? Yeah.

The, yo, the Jersey crowd, the Jersey young boy crowd, I'm good. That is going to be the most terrifying. I'm scared. The Newark show compared to the Garden Show, which, by the way, is 20 minutes away from each other. It's going to be. Two different worlds.

No, I'm cool. I'm cool. I'm going to the morning in Brooklyn. I promise you I'm not going to the one in Newark. You bug the fuck out. It was get up for the shit. If you're going to experience it, if you're going to experience it,

maybe the Newark one is the one. Yeah. But I got to get the real feeling. But they're going to shoot outside that shit. Yeah. Newark? I'm cool. I feel like I got to wear shiksy if I go, though.

I got to. But then you're going to be like everybody else. You got to stand up. Nah, no, you got to blend. I have to blend in. We're in a suit for NBA Young Boy Show. They will beat the shit out of me. First of all they're going to think I'm a narc.

I'm like, who this police has? A suit at an NBA Young Boy Show? No. No, you can't do that. I'm dressed like we're going to the GZ Orchestra show. No, absolutely. Oh, that's fine. No, it's not.

I promise you it was not. Nah. I feel like NBA Young Boy shows should change the rules for arenas. I should be able to walk in with no shirt. This people didn't eat with no shirts on. Well, they walked in with a shirt on. They took it off after. I'm saying I should be able to show up with no shirt at all.

I mean, you know. Has young boy ever, like, worn a little high? Yeah. Ooh. Oh, I thought that was his whole aesthetic. He's just shirtless old. No, he, he went, he went some shit on stage. I mean, I'm sure at some point he might take a shirt off and really get into the, you know,

until night, but it's just dope to see it, man. All the clips I'm seeing the energy is, I haven't seen, bro, I'm not going to lie, that type of energy is crazy for the entire arena to be. You know how hard it is to sell tickets, period right now, let alone an arena? That type of clip? Yeah, yeah. And like I said, his fan base is very, they've been waiting for this shit. They've been way, they couldn't wait for this tour.

And you know, they're dedicated fans, because I'm not going to get into, everyone makes mistakes, but I feel like every other month I'm seeing some wild shit that young boy is doing. Like those are loyal. He could do anything. The fact how he's moved on certain things or how the internet has painted him and you could still sell out arenas this way, yeah, they love your music. Philly. I'd rather die.

Yeah, Philly would be kind of nuts. He signed a Motown? Well, I mean, it merged. They all merge. It's musical chairs. Like he didn't sign to the same Motown. No shit. it, right?

Oh, he was in Oakland. That wasn't even L.A.? That was Oakland last? Oh, what dates is that? No, he's in Oakland tonight. Oh, yeah. Well, tomorrow. Okay.

He was in L.A. last night, though. Okay. On the low, I think the Phoenix show might be the scariest. Because I know the Mexicans love young boy. That might be, it would rival between Norfolk and Phoenix to the scariest shows on the store.

Oh, no. Oh, no. Like St. Louis and Chicago might. Wait, hold on. St. Louis for sure. Baltimore, I don't know. I'm not going to no NBA young boys show. In Baltimore, I'm cool.

I'm cool. Oh, no, that's Chicago one that's scary. Because he had beef for Chicago. Like, he had beef for Dirk. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, man. Hopefully, you know, I mean, hopefully nothing happens.

We don't want to get no news about anything negative or crazy happening because seeing this type of energy is just dope to see people go out and support their artists. But we know the history of him in certain Chicago artists. Y'all don't know anybody from that side? From what side? N.B. A young boy's side. Listen, I told you when I went to Baton Rouge a couple months ago and she told me, oh, this young boy's hood, I said, can we just not be here then?

We was driving. She said, yeah, is where are you from? I was like, well, then let's take a left and a left and get the fuck out of here. You're scared? Yeah. You thought I was going to say no Yeah, nigga Actually, the fuck They walk around with the assault

Rifles just out Like, you ain't even illegal Yeah, I don't need to be there Hopefully you're going to talk again In a couple of years And I could, I want to learn now I want to go now I want to go now

I want to go to energy It's fake if I go now I don't know the music enough But that's okay though You actually people A lot of people tend to go to shows To learn new music You don't got to go to the show

And know every song You gotta know the music man That's like going to the game And not knowing who playing Yeah, but you discover, you discover songs because a lot of songs you might put on like in your headphones and be like, turn this shit off, right? But you go to the show and you see shirt and with the green hair doing all that. It's like, wait, hold on. What's this song?

Let me, that's why you're supposed to go check out new shows. Local artists, all of that stuff. Man, sitting at the young boy show in the mosh pit trying to hold your phone up for Shazam. Yeah, they're going to knock you up. Who's going to? No, I would be in the shot. I would be in the skybox somewhere. Put me in a suite.

Let me just chill up here, look down at, you know, the real fans. I just want to hear the music and see the performance. Like, let me, I can't be in that. I need to touch the thing. Nah, I can't be in that. That's crazy. What's the most dangerous show you've ever been to? The most dangerous show I've ever been to?

Even if it turned out that way and you didn't anticipate it. The most dangerous show. I've never been to a dangerous show. I feel like it may have been somebody at Irvin Plaza. Well, not that. Oh, the nipsy hustle one. Watered Crips in the building. But I felt safe.

This was in New York? Irvin Plaza. Okay. Yeah, I feel like it was. I can't remember who it was, though. I felt safe, though. I feel like it was Irvin Plaza. Okay.

Might have been. I was in there. I remember having a feeling like, yeah, the energy in here is a little, it's a little tense. But never in like, never at the garden. I never met at the garden.

Well, I mean, you did say you were in the hallway. when R. Kelly walked down and violence ensued. That was kind of dangerous. There was a gun there. He said he didn't want nobody looking them in his eyes. And then somebody allegedly put pepper spray in his eyes. Yeah, but that wasn't dangerous.

That was R&B. That wasn't like dangerous. I mean, speaking of Newark and Jersey in general, Hot 97 once did, remember when they used to do those like next up or who's next shows? Which I appreciate. They was trying to get like local. talent and they did one that was just specific to Jersey with a bunch of Jersey acts.

I want to say Tretch hosted it as well. That was the most violent show I think I've ever been. That like they rivaled what when Saigon, Prodigy and all the Queensbridge fought at SOBs with that legendary footage. There was so much tension in that small, small fucking venue. That was probably the one time I've been a show where I'm like, I don't know if this is worth worth staying here. Like, yeah.

I'll be a bystandard somehow in this entire show. I can't remember who was at Irvin Plaza. Like, who was before? It may have been meek and somebody else. And I was just like, yeah, this energy. And here was just a little, you know, you know that energy where it's just like, the faces ain't friendly, nobody's smiling. It's not a lot of women.

You know those shows. Of course. You know what I was just like, all right, man, I'm about to, well, let me stand close to the exit because it might go down ahead. I've told you guys the story of when I was DJing at the New Eurekaan with my man's and we got into it and I thought I was going to die

with the guys from Connecticut. Yep. So there was another time I was DJing from Mazz that was opening up for, I won't say his name, he was signed to the lock, not the locks,

to D Block at the time. And we were opening up for him based off his manager's relationship with D Block, but my man's was on some singing and rapping shit. It wasn't that type of crowd. Yeah. This is like when you really got to cut your teeth and earn your keep. Like what it's like to feel like you're dying on stage of just going record to record.

Somebody that was affiliated with that artist, twice my size, in the middle of my man performing. We had like an intricate DJ set. I was trying to mix certain stuff. Like we had a set. We rehearsed. It's cues. He was waiting for this moment. Cues, like all this entire thing.

It's full fuck. over me hits the fader and puts it to the side and says, it's time for you out to leave. In the middle of the performance? Yeah.

But I was on vinyl, so I had two things playing. So it didn't affect, like my man kept rapping. And it was the first time of my life where I was like, I'm about to say something that I know I'm going to die,

but I have no other option. Got to be a man. I had no other option. I know this is not. not going to end well. Like I say, ain't no fucking way. We got three more fucking songs.

Get away from me. Let's just say, we were handled outside of the building, but my man finished the set. No, handled out of the bus. But you finished the set, though. Finish the set. Handled.

We get beat up outside, but we finished the set, though. That's what that matters. And my man who I love did what every opening act does. Because the locks are supposed to be special guests with this guy as well. It was like on the flyer. Mm-hmm. So when you're just drowning in a set and it's dead.

why I was saying like, yo, yo, get the fuck off the stage. Yo, who's ready to see the locks? Whole crowd erupts. And he said for the last song, he went. Yeah, nah, cut it. Let's get the fuck out of it. We was in there, because this was 2009, like when we were on the blog era type of rap, and that crowd was not trying to hear none of that shit.

He was really singing. He was, like, had an R&B part. It was a bunch of dudes in champion hoodies waiting to see if style was going to show up. It was one of the crazy experiences. But no, we were physically handled out of that. Was that Toad's Place? No, no, no. It was in the city.

Oh, was it? Was it at Santos? Might have been a Santos. Yeah. I'll think on it. It'll come to me. Chris Brown, you know, y'all heard what he said. What Chris Brown said?

I'd be so tired of y'all. Not about what y'all talking about. Oh. What Chris say? I'm about to say, what? You know, I don't be knowing. See, y'all start telling you. I'm like, wait, what happened now?

He finally admitted that DeMaris and I were right, that Quavo is much bigger than him. Yeah, right. He said, everyone compares Michael Jackson, Beyonce, Usher, and Quavo to me, but we're all superstars in our own right. Yeah. He never said that. Yes, he did. He didn't say people compare what Quavo.

Oh, he, you added, I didn't hear you add Quavo into it. You're mad annoying. Yeah, that's something like. No, he put something up on his IG store, I believe. Can you click that, Josh? He tweeted, honest opinion, Beyonce, Michael Jackson, and Usher are all the best superstars and lanes of their own. I see a lot of podcasts and debates on who's better. And the truth is that we all shine bright in our own way.

I'll never say I'm a better anything. I'm just being the best Chris Brown. In some way, shape, or form these artists have influenced me to go hard and never give up. I just want to be recognized for helping people with my gifts. That's on top room. That's a very humble thing for Chris to say. But I'll go on record and say, I do believe Chris Brown is a better dancer than Michael Jackson. I agree.

Actually, all of these other, Usher, Beyonce, like, I don't, you know, I think Chris Brown is the better dancer out of these names. Michael Jackson is obviously, he's the apex entertainer. He is the one that everybody, all generations, you see kids now that are maybe three, four, five, old dressed up like Michael Jackson dance like Michael so Michael Jackson is obviously the the the one that all artists and entertainers aspire to to kind of be like but it's okay to have artists that come after that are better vocalist than Michael Jackson better dancers than Michael just encompassed the entire thing the the mystique the aura the entertaining just everything all in one is what made Michael Jackson so special. But I do believe Chris Brown is a better

dancer than Michael Jackson. This is part of my age. This is going to maybe be a stupid question. Did Michael Jackson invent the moonwalk or is that? He just made it iconic. He made it iconic. He got it from some dancers. He was watching on. So he talked about Soul Train. Culturally appropriated it. No, no, no. It's culture vulture, Michael was. No, there was black people that created it. And he ended up being white. They were on Soul Train. And, um, And he saw that move. Okay. It was part of like the whole role, when, you know,

dancers were doing the whole robot type of thing. And he saw that on, I think, on Soul Train. And he just made that a part of his performance. And, you know, obviously his platform was the biggest in the world. So when he did it, that was the first time that many people saw that move. I mean, how much stake do you put into iconic choreography versus being the better dancer? Like, I agree with you. If we were in the same place Steve Harvey was doing, you got served.

And it's just Michael and Chris in the ring. Yeah, I'm going to take Chris Brown in that regard. As far dancing? Yeah. But as far as iconic choreography, I think Michael and Beyonce are over here. And then Chris Brown and Usher are over here. Like between, obviously, thriller goes without saying. But like, Beyonce with her crazy and love choreography,

I remember everyone trying to do that when I was in seventh, eighth grade. Single ladies, like, she has iconic. choreography with her dancing. Like that is going to last forever. Same way with Michael. I mean, the yo video, I think Chris definitely had iconic. Like, people would try and do that choreography. But in the Usher My Way video, I remember that.

But do they have their staple as far as dancing goes? Michael used a mo. Chris Brown and Usher. But we know Beyonce and Michael Jackson have their staples. Does Chris and like a move? A particular move? Anytime Beyonce is on tour and if she's going to perform single ladies,

people are waiting for that choreography. Like, that's the whole thing. Chris Brown has it with wall to wall. Water, water, I don't hear nothing but ladies calling. Yeah. And take you down. And take you down. Yeah, take you down to it too, yeah.

Yeah. But is that the level we think that a single ladies or a thriller would be? Nothing is at the level of single ladies. There's still would never be anything at the level of thriller. Well, obviously. Never. But I still think, not to say single ladies is compared to thriller as far as choreography,

but she did check that box of I have an iconic, iconic choreography dance. I just, I feel like Usher and Chris maybe could out dance them, but don't have that. Well, part of that is because Usher and Chris can, can out dance them, their choreography is harder to do. For sure. I mean, do anything, Christos. So the reason why single ladies and Thriller are so this, but well, not thriller, but the reason why single ladies is so popular is because the choreographer, I mean, the

choreography, like, white housewives at home, we're at home doing this shit. Like, it's super easy. It's simple and easy to remember. So that's why it got as big as it got. That's a good point. Because even like when Michael Jackson would do the lean, like everyone tries the lean. Yeah. So, yeah, I hear you.

That does, that does make. sense too. It was very simplified so everyone could. It was like the first TikTok dances. Yeah. Yeah. I get that. Because I mean, as I think Beyonce is up there with Michael, but she can't do a backflip without a running start. And that's something Chris Brown can do. Beyonce could run 10 minutes and I don't think she can do a back. You mean running start. I don't do that. I think my baby could do a backflip if she tried. If you know her mind to it, Beyonce could do a back flip.

For sure. No, we can know, we can all. But Chris Brown doesn't need to put his mind to it. But I'm just saying right now, if B goes on stage tonight, there will be no backflip. Like, I'm, you know, I'm not saying anything. Beyonce's amazing, but she's not trying to do no fucking backflip tonight on stage, no. I think Usher and his prime could do a backflip with a running start. I don't know many performers that could just stand there and do a... Usher has done backflips on stage. Yeah, but he had like two or three steps.

I don't care. He didn't even travel NBA-wise. I'm saying. It was just a quick run and start. Usher has a whole set literally on roller skates. On roller skates. Yeah, that's true. That, that was crazy.

crazy to do that. Like just doing a whole, you know, a bunch of your records and the choreography, y'all are all on roller skates. That's incredible. I mean, these are all, you know, to what Usher's, I mean, Chris Brown is saying, these are all the best of the best. And you talk about performers and entertainers, Usher and Chris and Michael Jackson and Beyonce, these are the, these are the top of the pyramids when you talk about entertainment and, you know, music and dance, choreography, things like that. Janet Jackson as well. I mean, I rhythm nation video, obviously, was groundbreaking and changing. Even the one video that she did,

what was the name of the song? Is it miss you much? When she was in the dance studio by herself with the chair? Pleasure principle. Pleasure principle. That was an iconic video. And she was just her in the video in the dance studio. So yeah, I mean, I understand what Chris saying.

I think he was being a little humble and not trying to, you know, make it seem like he, because obviously you don't want to be the person to say, I'm better than anybody. or, you know, you let the audience and the fans say that. But I will say, you know, just in watching both and being a fan of both entertainers in regards to him and Michael Jackson, I do think Chris is the better dancer out of him and Michael Jackson. It's not my world, so I could be wrong, but I want justice for choreographers.

Like the way we get these Billboard Complex, all these lists with producers, we know every backstory of every Quincy Jones thing when Michael Jackson, like, Is there a list of choreographers? Like, why did they not get as much shine as even engineers get when you get down to the nerdy shit? Well, because I would like to know who. Because they still do. LG, I mean, Puff put LG on. Like, that was the most famous one I remember as a kid because she was on the reality show.

Well, people pay attention to things that apply to them. So why I was going to say why engineers would be important to you is because that's what you would care about. But even like the best producers, 21st century shit that what we talked about last week. I feel like a casual fan click that right away too. If I, as a, I wouldn't even say casual fan of choreography. I mean, I like dancing, but I don't sit and think about who put it together. I would click that list right away. And that's not even my world.

I would love for those people to be highlighted and learn more about it. So there. That's a huge part of music that just is not talked about. But I mean, like, again, like I, I hear you, but I don't know. Maybe it's because I really, I love dancing so much that I'm more. Like, Sean Bankhead does the majority of people's videos these days, right? Okay. So a lot of the famous choreography that ends up being TikTok dances, like, for example, Cardi B's Up,

or I put that out my mama, Victoria Monet. Like, he- Great choreography. Yes, which became huge, right? Like, that, he did all of that. Sean Bankhead has been huge with the videos that he's created. As far as, like, I remember all of Janet's choreographers, obviously, because some of them used to be her dancers and I was like obsessed. But there are, you can find that list.

But again, that would be up first. That would be something that you would have to pay attention to because the publications and stuff that it's going to be in might not be something that you're interested in, but the theater kids know about it. For sure, yeah. You know what I'm saying? So I'm, I'm interested. That's really why I'm asking.

Like, did, like, did Michael have a main? There goes an usher backflip with no running star. I stand correcting. Me, give ushers. Do you don't know how hard it is? to stand there and do a backflip. Yeah. Go try.

No, no. Go see your bed and go try. Let me see how close. I'm going to be in the hospital for about a month if I try to do a backflip. I would knock all this shit over trying to do a backflip. Did Michael have like a main choreographer? The way Quincy was his main producer.

Like, is there something we know he did thrill? He did bad. He did like. I think he worked with a lot of people on a number of projects. I don't know if he had one main choreographer though. And I also want to know like who, who's the, the prints of this dancing shit? Like, which icon never had a choreographer?

Like, if you saw them dance, they came up with it. That just doesn't... Outside of Paul Abdul... Outside of Paul Abdul, I don't think that that tends to happen. Just because there's so much choreography is needed, especially for not really music videos, for tours. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Like, tours, it's like, that's so much choreography. So Michael worked with seven prominent choreographers, but most importantly, Vincent Patterson for Smooth Criminal, the Bad Tour, Michael Peters for Thriller and Beat It. He has a couple people. Yeah, Michael worked with a few people. I have been a choreography for Thriller and Beat It. Like, you Michael Jackson of that. Maul, I know you do not have a phone, so I am here to let you know that that is probably a device that you need in this day and age. You bought me one? You got me one?

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