New Rory & MAL - Best of Rory & Mal: Week of 10/27

Episode Date: November 2, 2025

This week on New Rory & Mal, Rory is on vacation so Demaris takes over as co-host. Demaris and Mal recap the Cash Money vs No Limit Verzuz, and debate whether or not hip-hop is officially dead. #volume All lines provided by hardrock.betSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You know, they've been saying, we were saying that for years. It's hip hop dead. It's hip hop dead. So in September, four hip hop songs were on a global chart in September. Okay. Five years ago, they were 56 on the global charts. That's a big drop. It is.

That's over 90% gone, right? We had to talk with Berg. Shout to hitmaker. He came by the set last week. And he posed a question because we were saying, you know, women are dominating rap right now. As far as like they're being more stars, newer stars in rap. Most of them are women. And he said, well, name, you know, some stars, superstars under 35 on the men's side.

Like, don't name the legacy acts. Don't name the guys that have been in for years. And it stumped us. It was obviously the NBA young boy. you know, we acknowledge that. Not saying, you know, but it is interesting to see women dominating hip hop rap now. And then now, in September, only four hip hop songs on a global charts. I'm not saying this is women's fault.

How you, okay. No, no, just listen. But we have to, because this is just data. This is analytics. Like right now, yes, women are dominating. Okay, so that's where I want to stop you. because women are not dominating rap. How?

Because them four songs that are on the global charts, I guarantee that they're not women songs, unless it's from Carrey's album. What were the four? Josh, can you look up the four hip-hop songs that were on the global charts? Women are not dominating rap. Women, there are more, no,

there are more women hip-hop stars than ever before. But that's what I'm speaking to. But that doesn't mean that they're dominating rap because there's still way more men than them. The men just aren't doing well. Yes, I'm just saying the stars, though. The stars, the ones. The stars that people would consider stars would be NBA Young Boy, Playboy Cardi, Travis Scott, Cardi B.

Those would be who people would consider the big, big stars. Who? NBA Young Boy, Travis Scott, Playboy Cardi. I don't look at Playboy Cardi. Drake. But the charts do. They acknowledge it. They don't acknowledge it.

Well, yeah, they categorize it as rap for sure. He's rap. So, but I think that's the issue. So you can continue what you were going to say. as far as like, do we connect it to more women being there? But I'm going to disagree with you. I don't think that that's it. I think it's that we took the R&B out of hip hop.

We took the soulfulness. Huh? The hook being R&B? We took the soulfulness out of hip hop. And that is what made it more palatable to other genres. Does that make sense? Yeah, I guess it's a lot of that baked into it, too. I'm not saying that the fact that we have just women dominating or more women,

dominating rap right now than we've probably ever had. I'm not saying that's the sole reason for it. There's a lot of things that we can put into it. But to me, I think we start there because we've never had this many women rap stars before at one time. You know what I'm saying? It's like every day we turn around, it's like, oh shit, like another female emcee is coming and she's got a dope record and it's like, okay, cool.

But does that sustain? Obviously not. The music in general is not sustaining. Like a lot of music, like, we happy to get mob deep albums and everything that, you know, they're doing that massive pill. We're happy to get all these. And these are all legacy artists. These are all legacy acts dropping new music. But as far as like the newer artists, hip hop is in a scary place.

I think hip hop is in a very, very scary place. I think that it's a conversation that, you know, we all need to start having and really looking at like, damn, like what is how? If this happened in five years, if only four hip hop songs are charting on today's global Spotify chart. Like, what does the next five years look like? So the songs that are charting are see you again. I'm going to assume that that's the with Khalifa. See you again. All the stars, obviously by Siza and Kendrick, both which have R&B hooks.

Yeah. And who is timeless in No. The weekend. The weekend and Playboy Cardi. Right. Okay. That's the weekend. That ain't rap. And then what's the other one? No poll.

Who is that? Oh, they calling that weekend record hip hop? See what I'm saying? That's weird. It gets trickier. Yeah. But even still, if you see, those are all, they have R&B out of the hook. Yeah.

So it's like that's palatable to a wider audience. When you're talking about global, that's palatable to a wider audience, the soul, the R&B, which is the reason why all of our artists when they were doing soul and R&B music back in the day was so widespread. You see what I'm saying? So when you bring hip hop into it and you got them banging verses and a good ass hook

like people can listen to that. Straight rap through and through or it is bullshit where they're like doing this drill rap and then they're also singing the hooks and it don't sound good because they can't fucking sing like it's just which I blame Kanye and drink for that shit by the way. What?

Rappers singing their own hooks. But rappers used to always sing their own hooks. You know, that was like a thing at one point. Not all of them. No, most rappers used to do their own hooks, though. When? I mean, you can just go back and listen to like a lot of the biggie shit, a lot of Tupac shit, a lot of early Jay-Z shit, a lot of, like they were doing their own hooks.

Well, yeah. But when I'm thinking, so what year did they say they were 56? They said it was how many, five years ago? Five years ago. Okay. Oh, this is the Spotify's top 200 most streams. tracks. Yes. Okay. Okay. But still, it should be more than four. I just think that it's a conversation, man. And we talk about it a lot. Like, you know, now you listen to a song. It's

almost like as good as we all felt the clips album was when it came out, right? I haven't played that album in weeks. I'm talking about a single song. I played it in weeks and I like it. I like the album. I thought it was good. I played it back to back to back when it first came out and then I revisit it every once in a while, but I don't play it as often as I did when it first came out, but I still do play it pretty often. People don't understand that it's this. It's that phone. Our parents were right. It's the damn phone. This, this, the phone is killing music. As much as we don't want to admit it, the phone is how we listen to me. Like, if I'm playing an album right now, I'm connected to the speakers in the crib

and I'm playing, I'm listening. Somebody call me, somebody send me some video to look at. I look at the... I might not even go back to the album tonight. Now I fell into a conversation about whatever, somebody texts me, da-da-da, get on the phone. Like, it's not...

This takes away from the music experience. As much as I love it, because it is very convenient. I can pull up a song. I can hum a melody into my phone and don't even remember the words, and it'll pull up the song and I can play it. So I love that part of it. But it definitely has taken us away from experiencing music in the way that we used to.

Like before you get a CD or you get a vinyl, you put it on, niggas could be in the crib fighting. Guess what? That music's still playing. Somebody could call you on the phone. I'm on the phone. Music's still playing. Like, I'm still in.

I'm still here. I'm still listening in the moment. I'm still consuming the music. Now, playing it off my phone, something happens, you know, whatever, whatever. It's like it pulled me away from that. I'm on the phone. I forgot, but that's not just with music with TV as well. I could be watching the show, get a call, something, watching something on my phone.

Never revisit it. I don't even know what just happened the last two episodes. The shit just been running. Our attention span is so short. I will also say that me personally, I don't know if anybody else feels this way. When I tire of songs quicker now because of Instagram. So when I'm doom scrolling, which I do do, I have a problem. I need to fix that.

but when I'm doom scrolling on Instagram and I'm doing scrolling on TikTok and people are creating content and I've heard that song a million times. Now I'm now tired of it. I might have heard it three times on my phone but I've heard it a hundredth. There are songs that I know full the words too

that I've never downloaded, never heard in my phone, but I know the words simply because I've consumed so much content with that fucking song. Songs live longer on social media than they do in your home. For sure. And in your car.

Because somebody posts a video that goes viral with Doja Cat playing in the background. Everybody, we all seen that shit. Their shit keeps playing this on the real. Like, it lives longer on social media than it does like, then you live with it in your personal time. And I mean, again, I'm not saying it's a, yeah, well, yes, I am saying. I do think it's a negative thing.

Yeah. I do. Because it's evident. When you see charts like this, it's like, bro, people are not, I just feel like people are just not as attached to the music as we once were. And the quality of the music, just, let's be honest, the quality of the music is just not good. It's not as good. It's not, there is good music out there.

See, baby, these niggas killed me years ago when I said that because I was saying it was easier to get in the music business and get on. I remember. I remember. Then it's ever, then it's ever, nah, no, it's not. How? I can, I can be a no name. This could be my first album I ever recorded. And if Drake drops tonight, guess who else can drop tonight?

me like I can put my album on the same DSP nobody's ever heard of me but I can put my album on the same DSP as Drake or Beyonce or whoever and I this is my first person nobody's I'm not even I just made this in my basement and it take off I can have a song that goes viral now I'm getting booked over here booked over here booked oh you know how hard it was to do that just not even let's say 25 years ago like it was like you had to really travel and go to these cities and go hand-to-hand trying to get people to hear your shit. Now I'll just upload a record tonight. I could be a star next Sunday.

And also what the labels are looking for now from what I see is no one's looking for the quality. No one's sitting in these meetings and making these people climb on the table like they did Bobby Shmurda and perform and sound. We needed to get away from that. You niggas don't ever need to be on nobody's table rapping. Like let's get away from that shit. No one is there's no quality control.

What they're looking for is coaching and cute. They down there doing Coach K. What they're looking for is who has the attention. And what people do to get attention nowadays is not be talented. Like you can be talented and get attention, but that's not what everybody's going for. Everybody wants to be some type of like, I don't even want to say content creator, but there's so many smoking mirrors and like just Fugasey shit going on and shit that's making people a star.

That's how you get someone like some of our stars. I'm not going to say any names, but it's like, you're not good, but you've created this persona that the young kids have fallen in love with, and now they're a rock star and they're demonic, and it's going viral and you're doing clickbaity shit, and now you have like this cold-based following about a bunch of bullshit that's not good music. You see what I'm saying? So it's like their labels are just looking for, well, who's, all right, you got a little couple songs out. Who's getting the most? You got a lot of social media following or people coming to your shows this, this, this and that. They're not looking for good music. So bullshit, slips through the

cracks, bullshit is allowed to become the biggest. And then because other shit doesn't look like bullshit, it makes it hard for real shit. Now when you make real shit, they're like, oh, you make an old school hip hop. And it's like, no, I'm not making old school hip hop. I'm just making hip hop. I'm making actual rap. But no one's sitting down and listening to actual rap anymore, unless you already have our hearts. Clips already has our hearts. If people would have just came out. Yeah, if unknown people would have came out with that clips album, people wouldn't have fucking listen to it. It wouldn't have gotten as much of, you know what I'm saying? Nowhere near as much of attention, no matter how good it was. But they have our hearts already.

So we're going to go listen and be like, ah, this is good. We've missed this. But they're not going to go do all the silly bullshit that these other artists are going to do to continue to go viral and have viral sounds and all of that shit. So then you come at an impasse because now the internet runs everything. So if you can't pop on the internet, then then you're not going to pop on the charts unless it's nostalgia. And it's crazy because it was never, it used to be the reverse of that. Like, so I've, you know, again, I'm old enough to remember a group like Millie Vanilly. Mm-hmm.

Right. Great record. Great record. But it was a thing where it was like, yeah, but whoever made that record probably doesn't look like a star. Yeah. Right. Now you just got to look like a star.

Mm-hmm. We could tweak. We can turn the knobs in the studio. and we could get the sound to where it need to be. But before, it used to be, as long as the music is good. That was, we lead first. Is the music good? He may not be a star.

She may not be a star. We don't even got to put them in the video. We can use somebody, because this is things that really happened. There was videos in the 90s where I come to find out that ain't even the person who's on a record. That's not even them. But they're in the video and they're portraying it like they're performing a record and that's not even a real artist.

So it went from that. it went from leading with the music being great to now that's the second that's secondary yeah now it's like yo what's your personality like you know what's your you know is do people love the personality do they love the look the aesthetic you know the vibe the energy okay cool now we could put music we can put something together we could cook something up get them in the studio with the right person we see it all the time but then now what happens is you get something like this chart that we have to sit and look back and be like, damn.

Only four? So it's a real conversation to have, man. I just feel like, you know, again, being able to see the many shifts and changes in the landscape of music and things like that and being able to look back. And things are looking a little, for the first time that I can remember, you know, people were saying hip hop is dead for years. You know. It's looking dead, though. It's looking like, I ain't going to lie. We might have to start going to hospice and visiting this motherfucker.

Like, yo, this nigga might be on his way out of it. Y'all got to start making hip hop music that the old people and that the white people can comfortably rap. That's the only way. The white people and the old people got to comfortably rap it. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me.

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Shout out to cash money and no limit. You know, a lot of people online today are a little younger. Y'all don't really know. Because you was, you was, you was. I'm too young. Yeah, you was like five, six, maybe four. Only no limit like person I know is little Romeo. Yeah, see, you don't, y'all don't really know what this was.

But this was huge for, you know, just for nostalgic purposes and just the legacy of two of the most iconic labels in hip hop being cash money and no limit. But the one problem we was talking about it before we started, why was this in Las Vegas? ComplexCon. Fuck that. And I know Complace, shout to Complex. We fuck with Complex. But we know Complex gave them a bag.

Of course. We know they, you know, because it was Complex Con and this was, you know, the performance at Complex Con. But this had to be in New Orleans. We were supposed to do this at the Super Dome. Like this was not, this is not Las Vegas. So the crowd wasn't really No, because, I mean, it was people out there for Comless Con, people traveled, you know what I'm saying?

But it's, it wasn't, it wasn't New Orleans. It wasn't, it wasn't that. I mean, people obviously knew some of the songs. People were, you know, happy to see the guys perform. But it wasn't, the energy just wasn't what you hear when you see cash money versus no limit. Yeah. That has to be in New Orleans.

Yeah. You understand what I'm saying? Like, that's, that's just too much history. It's too much. you know, just ties to like the community for real. Everybody that's still in the city of New Orleans. I know Hurricane Katrina kind of separated people, but, you know, the essence of what cash money and no limit have done for that city,

you got to have them on stage in New Orleans. So it was cool. It was cool seeing it. No Little Wayne, no Turk. I don't know how I'm invested I am at that point. When you say, you know, Wayne is not going to be there, Turk is not going to be there. And it's like... So who, well, did they play Little Wayne Records, though?

Well, they play verses from Wayne. You know, obviously they had to play some of his verses and things like that. But why wasn't Wayne then? Like, I still don't understand what him and Birdman are, like, you know, as far as personally. I don't know, you know, if they're even on speaking terms at this point, I really don't remember. I can't keep up. There's a different head. Yeah, I don't know.

I don't know. I can't keep up with men that don't talk to other men. That's just not my, that's not my DNA. So who won, in your opinion? In my opinion, looking at it, I mean, it probably was different inside the venue. but looking at it, I felt like no limit one. Okay.

Yeah. I felt like no limit one. I felt like the records just hit a little different. Now, don't get a twist of cash money. Obviously, juvenile was there, you know,

slow motion. I mean, that's, that's a hood. You okay? My bad. That's, you see what it does

soon as you hear? You ain't nobody playing nothing and you just start slow whining in your seat just when you hear the song. So, yeah, you know,

it was a couple, don't get a twisted cash money. You know, they put on a good show, but looking at it, you know, from what I felt, just looking at it, I felt like no limit, they got the best of that night. Okay. And now, again, that could be because, again, you don't got, you know, obviously the juggernaut and

Little Wayne not being there on stage, not, it does, you know, it takes away from it. A lot of people saw it being closer than it was because they, they assumed that with cash money came young money. And I was like, I don't think that that's fair. And I'm happy that they didn't do that, right? Yeah, I'm happy that they didn't do that. I don't think that that's fair in a sense. I mean, yeah, I understand why you say that.

But I mean, it is cash money, young money. Yeah. Like you never heard any of the young money artists saying young money, it didn't say cash money at the same time. So, you know, it's obviously ties there in affiliations, but this was just from that era of cash money before Drake, Nikki. You know, Wayne obviously was cash money before Young Money. But Wayne not being there, I think, was just the, you know,

It's like, all right, man. Like, this is, you know, we get it. It was still cool to see Juvie and, you know, BG and Baby, Silk, Mia X, you know, MasterP. MasterP, bro, listen, seeing MasterP perform those records and then, like, really thinking about, like, the error that Master P had and dominated. We don't talk about, yo, Master P played in the NBA. He was just doing shit. you don't listen you can't that is like I don't I really think we didn't stop we didn't pause long enough to really like salute masterpiece for that now it wasn't he didn't play 82 games in

a season he wasn't on the start and Ross and all that opening a day the fact that he was there preseason and just out there he has a jersey he was on the floor with guys who played the full season bro that is that's almost like this is like movie shit like you know when the movies just to be like, yo, he went on to play in the NBA. Like, this is what that is. This is like the dude from the hood that was on the block, you know, getting into some shit, whatever, whatever, straightened out his life. They was like, yo, you got to take this serious.

He took his serious and really, like, did something. Now, he didn't, you know, he wouldn't have a long career. But the fact that he even got to that level, you know how synonymous rap in basketball is. Yeah. It's the same. It's one and the same. The fact that Master P did what he did in music. in the culture and actually played in a preseason NBA game.

And went on to be one of the greatest. It was preseason, correct? Was it preseason? So tell me. That is crazy. Tell me about that because I know that we have somewhat of a younger audience and by younger, even the younger people, we get old now. So we might not have been exactly around for that.

Why did he only play preseason? Like, was he, what happened? Well, I mean, it's the NBA there today. Like, it's not, you know, it's hard for guys that are, really good at basketball to make the opening day roster and stay in the league. Like that's, you know, that's just not something that any and everybody could do. So he wasn't that good. He wasn't good enough to stay on an NBA roster.

But he was good. But he was good. He got to the, you know, played in the preseason. Now, some of it may have been just the lower of it. Teams know what it did for marketing and things like that. But still, he got out there and looked good. Like he wasn't like he was out there and he looked crazy. He can play basketball.

Was he better than Brony? Nah, he wasn't better than Brony. No, we ain't doing that. I was just asking. No, baby, Dee, we're not doing that. I was just asking. Because I know how you felt about Brony. I was just asking.

How do I feel about Brony? I mean, this podcast has been critical of him when he got drafted to the Lakers. No, I mean, I was on, I, I, I rooted for it. I like nepotism. No, but calling it nepotism, exactly. Oh, it's nepotism. Don't get twisted. But that's why I was, because, I mean, Master Pete didn't have nepotism.

So that's why I was asking. No, no, that's up. But yeah, but no, Bronny is, yes, Bronny will, Bronny right now and MasterP back then, if they played each other, Bronny would destroy MasterPee. Oh, okay.

Like, yeah, there's no, it's not even like, we're not going to do that. Like, he absolutely would. I was just, but I mean, I still support nepotism. Okay. I'm shout out to Bronny.

You know, I hope that he has a great career. But yeah, we didn't, we didn't give, we didn't, the coach it didn't stop long enough to really salute that moment for Master P, like making a preseason NBA game. Like, that is something that we haven't seen. we probably will never see again. Jay Cole plays ball.

He never was on a preseason roster. I mean, don't do that. Did he play for like Africa or somewhere where Cole was playing for? Baby D. What? Have you seen, have you seen them African teams? Don't do that.

Like, come on. Don't do that. Don't do that. We're not doing that. I'm just saying it's just a difference is all I'm saying. Shout out to Cole. You know, he's trying to pursue that too. But even Jay Cole knows how crazy that is that Master P played with the Raptors and the Hornets.

Okay. Oh, he's two teams. Like, come on, man. This was, like, we didn't, the coach, it didn't stop. We didn't pause long enough to salute that. So shout out the Master P. Shout out the Birdman. Shout out the cash money, no limit.

The versus. Again, I would have liked to see it in New Orleans personally because just the energy would have been completely different. Would have loved to see Turk there. Birdman had some things to say in regards to Turk not being there towards the end of the set. But, you know, we're not going to highlight the negative shit. But hopefully, man, they could do this over and do it right. Or just don't even make it.

a versus just do a cash money no limit show at the Superdome in New Orleans it ain't got to be a versus it could kind of be like what jd was planning on doing with bad boy versus so so-so deaf appreciate what they was going to go in you know do you think jd was scared now hell nah y'all y'all y'all that's something say y'all y'all don't know jd's history first of all first of all no you don't baby d i'm not i'm not asking because i believe that jd is scared what i'm saying is do you no i say y'all i mean like not you oh okay y'all there people that feel like that Okay. No, because I just feel like, I don't know, like because his history is so big and people, I don't know if people would expect. I don't know if he would be considered the underdog in that situation, right? If he would be the underdog, he would definitely be the underdog. Only because Puff is a bigger figure.

Okay. He's a more polarizing fit. But now again, that's what Jady likes, though. He wants that because Jady don't care about that. The end of the day, when we start playing these records that I really produced. Because then it's that part. Oh, Shay. No, no, no, no, they're Shade. It's facts. Clack it. It's just facts. Because we're talking about producers.

JD plays. He writes. He also raps. Puff gives you know, he gives you that, he gives you that style and that flair, that aura. Now, say it like this. Like Puff do that. He got sauce. That's what he does.

You got to remember Puff comes from a party promotion game. He know how to have a party and how to, you know, what's going to make people move. So he comes from that. J.D. play drums. You get what I'm saying? Like, so he comes from, he danced. He was breakdance. And he was, so he comes from that part of it. So it's just like, you know, it would have been interesting. But yeah, that, that I wanted to happen only because I really feel like people don't give Jermaine DePree. You know, obviously they say Mariah Carey. They say Usher. But no, we got to go brat. We got to go criss-cross. We got to go bow wow. He got real songs with Biggie. He got real songs

little Kim. So these are the things that people forget. I think he got songs with Mace. So these are things people forget like when when puffing them was popping him, bad boy was putting them joints out. JD was producing for a lot of those artists on bad boy as well. But people forget about that because that was early 90s. They could they really connect when you think JD you think usher you think Usher you think Bow Wow but you think Usher Mariah Carey like exactly how you said you know remember the back in the day. They don't remember the you know money ain't a thing with Jay Z. They don't remember those records. They don't, you know what I'm saying? Life of 1472. They don't remember that

album. So it's like, you know, I wanted to see that happen only because I think it's what the versus does is it reminds a newer generation. It also shines light on damn like that record still sounds because even watching the no limit cash money, I'm hearing about it, bowed it and all that. I'm like, I got to put this on the gym playlist. Like I forgot how it's still, it's about you know what I'm saying. I'm in the crib watching that shit. I'm doing this is about it about it. I'm like, now, this shit, I forgot how just that energy of what it did when you first heard those songs. So I wish we obviously are not going to get that verses with J.D. But I think we missed out on a moment, you know, where they would have did that in Atlanta at the Mercedes-Benz Stadium.

I mean, I think that at that point, it's just a party. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? We letting J.D. and Puff DJ and just have, you know, going down that lane of a memory lane of hearing those records. But, yeah, I think people, people need. need a lesson in Germain DePrido because they don't give

JD his props when it comes to hip hop rap as much as they should R&B I think that's clear but let's not

forget about what J.D. did in hip hop and rap as well. Yeah, and I think it's because he doesn't he's not a flashy

person. He's humble. Yeah, he's not a flashy person so. That's another thing. Being humble sometimes

to leave you out of the conversation because you ain't braggard doses and you don't talk your shit. It's easy to forget about you.

When the loud niggas and the boisterous niggas, they're like, yeah, yeah, but then when you're like, listen, fuck all, play them records, though. Mm-hmm. And then I really produced that. Like, I really went in there and played that. That's a different conversation. That's why I be trying to get y'all to talk your shit.

And y'all be like, nah, we cool, we humble. New Valances and upside down hats. Like, nah, talk your shit. But I'm just, that's just not me, baby, Dee. I've never been that. I mean, I was. But now, that would be crazy for me to start trying to, like, we just doing a part. We're just talking our shit, man.

Man, that's all. This is just podcast, have fun. I ain't got no ego when it comes to this shit, man. I just like kicking and talking about shit, that's all. Well, don't worry. I will pop it for y'all. Pop it, baby, Dee. Per usual type shit. Speaking of pop it, a magnet Stallion's new video lover girl. Maul, I know you're thinking about upgrading to an all new iPhone 17 pro

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No. You call men gay for everything. Niggas be gay. Okay, they do. They, okay. Hear me out. I'm with you. They do.

Right. But sometimes men just don't operate the way that you operate and anything that you deem that you wouldn't do, you label as gay. Like what? Or mental illness. It's either Maul would do it or is gay or it's mentally ill. Okay. Like what, though? I'm learning. Listen, my thing is, if you feel like that's how I am, interesting, but you got to tell you more.

Interesting. No, interesting. I'm like, cool. Like, tell me about myself, but I want to, I need examples, though. Like, you can't just say something. So, for example, the internet when you, it was a big deal. on the internet when you said that men who constantly cheat and constantly sleep with people and won't stop getting pussy just they just can't stop um they're gay some would say that they might

just be addicted to sex right but you are insistent that it's gay i think you also said it was gay to have a fish tank like very gay you know why you i'm gonna tell you why you corny for that you you my nigga i fuck with you but if you walked in a dude's house and he had a fish tank you would you would feel the same way I feel. I would not feel that he was, I would not. Yes, you would would, I would not feel like that. Why would you take him serious? Maybe his grandmother gave him that fish tank. They put the fish in the car. How did he got the fish to his house? Grandma left the house and a fish tank. If you walked in a man's house and he had a like a serious fish tank, a serious, like serious, are there fish in it? Yes. What kind of fish? I don't know.

You got gold face fish in a tank. I, you love animals just a little bit too much for me. And you need to love more serious animals. Like if you can keep a gold fish in a thing, I don't know. You You can keep a gold fish alive. You a little bit too dedicated to the wrong shit. So you're telling me if you walked in the dude's house and he had a fish tank, you don't have no questions for him. I have questions. But that doesn't keep me from giving him.

What's the first question? What kind of fish? Like what possessed you to get fish? Like, do you really fuck with fish like that? Do you like think it looks dope? Like what? Like, how often do you clean your fish tank type shit? Like important shit.

I don't ask him like, yo, do you get fucked in the ass like because it's fish tank? make no sense. Mm, okay. Do you, like, are you not saying? I think my logic makes sense, though. You still ain't, you still ain't convinced me on me being toxic yet, though. I'll give you another one. Give you another one.

Okay, you said that I said, a man who can't stop cheating on their girlfriend. Mm-hmm. Like, I said, I said they may be gay. The internet killed you for that. Well, yeah, it's gay people on the internet. Okay. I mean, just show me where I'm wrong. You know, we actually have a gay fan.

Shout out to Christian, who every time you say anything, that can even be deemed remotely homophobic, he writes me. And he's like, see, Martin just says some homophobic shit again. I'm not homo-oh. People got to see, people, you got to compartmentalize people correctly and get people to correct, like. Terms. Yeah, like, I'm not homophobic. So it's like, where's the homophobic?

Like, why are you thinking I'm homophobic? Because I said, yo, if you got a fish tank, that's kind of gay. That's not me being homophobic. Okay. Like, that's not, I don't care that you have a fistache. If I walk in my homework crib, you got a fist tank, I'm like, yo, I ain't a lot of homie. That's my homie, though.

But how does that connect to male-on-male sexual activity, my guy? I mean, it's not really male-on-mail. Gay is just like, you know, that's just gay. You know, that's gay, fan. What you doing? A negative connotation. No, not negative. It's a fist tank, but it's like you take the fish out

and put them like in a smaller bowl and then clean it like, and then put the water back in, the gravel. That's gay. You even doing mad other shit when you do it. You got mad time on your hands. hands, fan. Having mad time on your hands is gay. Like, when you ain't got nothing to do, like, you ain't got nothing to do?

That's not, but that's not fair, Ma, because they care about they fucking fish. But niggas can't care about they fish, because you are non-pet-ass nigger. People can't care about their fish. I love animals. But do you have one? Nah, because-n't-n't-n't-you-on-degas-n't. See, that's... See, now, but when you do it, it ain't gay. And a certain type of dog you got. You got a certain type of dog. Like what? What dog is, it makes you non-gay? Niggers can't have no teacups, man.

Niggas can't have no toy That's how I know you don't know ball or bitches Because teacups get you girls No they don't Yes it do A nigga walking a teacup You get her a teac You're not hollering at

See this is why I ain't fucking with you Who not? You're not talking to no man That's walking down the street With a teacup A yorky I've That means you know

You know how to be tender And soft You can't just throw no teacup Around the way And what else Tender soft No you can't throw no Say it

Hear me out All right You can't throw no tecup around the way you could throw them bulldogs around. You see what I'm saying? You got to be gentle. You can be gentle with a bigger dog. You can.

Yeah. See, that's the, you don't think you can be gentle with a pit bull or cane corso or like a cataw? I don't want no nigga with a cane corso. Because you niggas is not dog trainers. You niggas are not the fucking canine. If I had them to see as a puppy, yeah.

That don't mean shit, bro. A cane corso in New York City? A dog will do whatever I'll tell them to do. A cane corso in New York City is not getting enough exercise. I still don't see how you think I'm toxic, but I'll take it. Only because it's Halloween. I'll be toxic man for Halloween. For Halloween?

Are we all taking our masks up? I'll be Captain Toxic. I'll be Captain Toxic for Halloween. Josh, play another voice, ma'am. Yo, this is Jarvis all the way from Georgia. Jarvis. I got some Reds for you. But go ahead and let you know off the real.

I don't know nothing by no bodegas. No subways, metros, metro's, bacon egg on a bagel. See, I'm from the South. Georgia specific, we know about peaches. And Black Baptist Church is where your granddad is the deacon. I only bring these things up just for me to mention that it's differences between us, let alone miles of distance. But I don't stop my heart, nor death, nor good intentions.

So you smiling so hard, your cheekbones carving and ditching. Jay Cole said, he want to fold clothes with his missus. I'm trying to cook, load, the washer, let them dry and stack the dishes, trying to write you letters to sort of envelope with a hundred kisses, trying to bring you to the south, get a feel for your character risks, let you hear from horses, mouth, for one to hear about all your interests. This is not a poem. This is just my feelings for you to find. It's not a story.

prophecy waiting on proper time. Oh, he stepped in his business with you, baby, Dee. This ain't a story. This is me just dropping a line and let you know that the time will align and the divine rhymes. He was getting his shit off.

Now, he inspired me right there. He inspired me to write that. Respond. First of all, that was a beautiful spoken word, poem, rap, whatever it was. A rap. 16, whatever it was. It was very beautiful. I appreciate you taking the time out to write something like that to me.

I know that that took time and that took energy and creativity. I appreciate it. I am unfortunately taken. Unfortunately. I mean, oh, you see how fast? Yo, bees. That wasn't 30 minutes. Yo, that's crazy.

Unfortunately, you take it? Hold on. No, sir. Nah, fam getting red wine, reduction in all that. And it's where you go. Sit down. Ain't a hold on. Hold on.

Unfortunately, baby D is in the relationship fan. Jarvis. Jarvis is your name Jarvis. Unfortunately. Not a, not, unfortunately, baby D. Not unfortunate. Relationship. Well, yo, y'all ain't shit, yo.

That shit just jumped out. You didn't even realize what you were saying. That she just jumped out. Unfortunately, I'm in a relationship. Let me finish my sentence. Unfortunately for you, I am in a relationship. Fortunately for me, I'm very happy. But unfortunately for you, I am in a relationship

with someone else who lives in, in Georgia and is licensed to care. That might be his man. He might have sent his homie to send that voicemail. Send his voicemail me to send his voicemail. No, no. My baby he was wrong. Unfortunately, I'm in a relationship.

Now, that was beautiful. I'm going to write a poem back to him. You're going to write a poem back to him. Yeah, I'm going to write a poem back to him. About our unrequited love. Do homie know you be writing poems? What's homie that you, your man named? He knows?

Yo, are you? Who are you work for? For my nigga? I usually said you got a man. Do he know you writing poems to niggas? I haven't written yet. So why would I tell him about something that hasn't happened yet? Unfortunately, but I'm going to write him a poem back.

He took him a poem back. Don't be writing a poem. Don't do that. He don't need a poem back. Sir, Jarvis, sir. Thank you. Demaris is taken. She's in a happy relationship.

Write a poem to Marl. All is accepting all poems. Not from no niggas, I ain't. Why not? Because that's gay. I'm not gay. I'm not like men. Men shouldn't write me poems.

Oh, my God. Don't write me no poems. I don't want no poems from no men. Josh has done anything else we got to cover? We're wrapping up. Oh, well, happy Halloween? Yo, Pete, we'll be doing tonight, man. We're going to the parade tomorrow?

It's a parade tomorrow? It's a parade every year, Halloween. We've got the biggest parade in the country in New York. You ain't know that? There's some scary shit going on. No, the NYC parade is like legendary, though. Have you ever been? Mm-mm.

Oh, you got to go. You got to experience it one time. It's gotten different over the years. Like, it used to be out of control. Like, it's more controlled and, like, you know, But back in like when I was in high school, yeah, this was the time of it. We just be in downtown fucking people up for no reason. And I won't be there.

Thank you so much. No, but now it's no, now it's more. It's safe. Yeah, safe. It's more, you know, it's more just about the parade and costumes and creativity and things like that. Like, yeah. Okay.

We just needed an excuse to just be doing delinquish shit. That's all. Well, it was getting late. Let's get out of here and go on our date. Let's do that. I'm going to sneakie shopping. Get some food. Mm-hmm.

Maybe a nightcap. Maybe a nightcap. Maybe a movie or something. Mm-hmm. Oh, day, day. Don't be trying to touch me in a theater, though, because y'all be getting like one nigga. If I touched you, you will open up like a fucking oyster. No, no, no.

Unfortunately for you, I'm in. We told to y'all soon, be safe. Be blessed. I'm that nigga. That's baby D. A win is a win. A win. A win is a win.

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