New Rory & MAL - Best of Rory & Mal: Week of 11/17

Episode Date: November 23, 2025

This week on New Rory & Mal, Mal says New Edition is better than Boyz II Men and the Jackson 5, Demaris is feelin' Summer Walker's new project "Finally Over It", Wale claims he's never trusting a rapper again after J. Cole released “False Prophets” after a conversation they had, and Rory, Mal, and Demaris figure out when it's appropriate for women to shoot their shot. #volume All lines provided by hardrock.bet  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. The volume. I saw a clip of Jermaine DePree, and he was talking about the greatest, the greatest group ever is New Edition. And he's absolutely right. Did he give criteria?

I'd never be mad at the take of New Edition being the greatest group. Every artist that went solo, the album went platinum. Yeah. And when you say that, it's like, you can't argue that. As great as to Jackson, now with Mike, who did solo, obviously. You know what I'm saying?

But does that make them the greatest group? When y'all can all go solo and go platinum? Well, Bell, would you consider that solo, I mean, solo per se? Yeah. It's the three of the, yeah. I mean, they still broke off from the group, is what I'm saying. Yeah. Platinum.

Ralph? Platinum. Wait, his solo album is platinum. But how long it took for it to go platinum? It don't matter. It's platinum. It do. It do better.

No, it don't. Tweaker went platinum, by the way. If you think about it, tweaking a new edition are the same. No, I'm just saying like, like I hear you, but like the Jackson Five is the Jackson Five. We're talking about the era where it was album sales,

not streams. And of course, the Jackson Five kids, everything, I get that, but you still have to put boys to men attached a new edition. Like, I mean, I get it. I do get it. I'm just saying, J.D. makes a lot of sense with that take.

Yeah, I mean, that's one that I probably wouldn't argue. you can argue it but I'm not mad at the take whatsoever I mean I mean just name but what's some of your favorite groups like um that would rival I mean but even where Jodice's DNA starts with them too like yeah it gets tough I'm just saying man he makes a lot of sense and I and I and I always I mean New Edition is one of my favorite groups ever before JD even says this but when you say the greatest group you're talking R&B it's like damn you would all you would you would you would you would go to the Jackson 5

people say that's pop whatever whatever but the greatest group being new addition I'm not mad at if you go member for member if there's a pause there pause it yeah the Jackson 5 versus new edition doesn't even like remotely compare yeah it's different you got Michael We know what little Michael did. So he, like three niggas, though. Three, he about 30 niggas. That's what I'm saying. Michael Jackson is about 30 niggas.

But Randy, rest of peace, you know, the brothers that Pat Tito, Jermaine, like, all, but they didn't, they solo albums didn't, didn't do it. Okay, so hear me out. It'd be a good verse. It'd be a good versus we, we young, new edition versus Jackson 5, to be honest. Hear me out. And then it's that part of it. And then there's that part of it. Every, every member of that.

Destiny's Child has won platinum. I'm just saying. That's what we're saying. The original Destiny's Child? Or you're so on Michelle Kelly and Beyonce. Michelle Kelly and Beyonce. I mean, okay, I get that. I'm just saying.

But to, all right. Michelle's a solo album and platinum? Yes. She did a gospel album, right? Yes. And she's also on Broadway. Killing. Just saying?

And not to take anything away from Destiny's Child. If you go through El Biv DeVo, Bobby Brown, solo, Ralph Trezvant, Johnny, like it just It's not close. It's kind of not even You listen, Bobby Brown, when he went solo See y'all too young to that shit hit

Your Bobby Brown's solo career That shit hit like a Adam bomb That nigga Bobby Brown was everywhere Every award show, every billboard The nigga was in Ghostbusters Like this Bobby Brown was that nigga I'm not, I'm not fighting you I was just saying if we bring it else

I just you know do another In that equation. No listen Destiny's child obviously is one of the greatest groups. For sure. I mean, yo, what New Edition did,

though, when Bell Bill Bill to vote did they thing, it was like, and these niggas rap? It was just like, they could do no wrong. I don't want to throw a what if in

because that doesn't really matter. Let's deal with what's tangible. TLC had contracts been what it was and unfortunately everything that happened with left eye. Like TLC, I think would have branched

the way New Edition did and would have went on to be crazy. in that regard. Like, their run was just cut short because of a bullshit plus, unfortunately, left-out passing. But we're not going to knock new edition because things happen with TLC personally. We love TLC. I know New Edition is older, but New Edition is Wu-Tang.

Like, they're Wu-Tang. Yo. And we're talking about from the early 80s. They were children with hits. Early 80s. Like, go back and just do your history on New Edition of Music. I know we got the show that came out and everybody loved that. a lot of people still don't know the music of new edition from the start not just when they were

young men i'm talking about when they were little kids go back to that and just listen it's incredible the career that they had and they're on tour next year oh i would love to see new edition boys to men so you choose a new edition i was going to say are you choosing new edition over boys to men as a group not their solo careers as a group boys the men catalog over new edition catalog y'all might have to take new edition that's tough um um I might have to take new addition. Because of my... As much I love Boys to Men, I might have to take new addition.

Because of my age, Boys to Men was a way bigger part of my life. But going back to stuff and... I don't know, man. Like, yeah, I think I have to go New Edition. New Edition is it... I'm telling you. And it's funny, I know Boystamend would say New Edition. Yeah, we don't get Boyst to Men without new...

Of course not. You know what I'm saying? But I just... Like, we didn't feel the same way about, you know, when the guys went solo in the day thing. know Sean and Wanya, you know, they had some good solo songs and things like that. But when you talk about what Bobby Brown was able to do, what Johnny Gill was able to do, what Ralph Chesvan was able to, like, it's just no, it's no comparing, bro. Okay, so if I, if I do just a quick little verses real quick, y'all choose for me.

New Edition, Can You Stand the Rain versus Boys Demen End of the Road? Can You Stand the Rain? End of the Road. End of the Road is a bigger song. I'm taking End of the Road. But can you stay in the rain? It's like, come on, man. I'm taking end of the road.

End of the road is a bigger song. Don't get it twisted. Like boomerang soundtrack, what that did for that soundtrack, iconic. Iconic movie, iconic soundtrack, legendary record. But can you stay in the rain? Like, if you throw into the road on in the party, we had an R&B party, he threw on end of the road. Niggas was that shit.

You throw on Can You Stand in Rain? Niggas is picking up their phones. Like, now I got to call it, dog. I'm tripping. That's just a different type of feel when you hear, can you stand in rain? That's one of those if we were on drink champs. I would drink. I don't even know what to pick on that.

End of the road is probably one of the biggest songs in R&B history. But can you stand in rain is that shit, though. When that they're both songs that everyone know every lyrics. Do he get to the end start doing that shit? Yeah, I don't know. Buoyne. Yeah. Nah, man.

I don't know. can you stand the rain? But when Ralph come in on Can you stand the rain? Like I think that matches When Johnny came in and said On a perfect day I said oh this nigga

I said this nigga Johnny Because you remember They wasn't Jack and Johnny When he first joined the group They wasn't fucking with him They was kind of giving them shit Like yo you're trying to take Bobby spot

Just at the third When that nigga said I know that I can count on you I said this nigga's in Bobby who Like this nigga Johnny That was it Can you stand in rain

I love I love I sing End of the Road in fucking grade school, like at a talent show. Yeah. That's definitely a go-to talent show. So I love End of the Road. Can you Stand the Rain is kind of a talent show record too. Can you Stand the Rain?

Can you Stand a Rain? Can you Stand a Show song? Okay, round two. Round two. And they do the choreography to Can you Stand the Rain. You love, you love, what's the movie? The Best Man. Oh, Best Man Holiday when they do that?

By the way, Best Man Holiday is a, like, such a traumatic movie, but I'll watch it every Christmas. I love that movie. It's on its way to be in a Christmas must watch. I think it is already. It's a Christmas much watch for me. I don't know. I don't know.

We're not putting it. I mean, it's tough, but that's best man. Best man, too, is best man holiday is definitely on the list of. Best man holiday might be better than the best man. Don't shoot me. Don't shoot me. Don't shoot me. Best man holiday might be better than the best man.

I ain't going to. I know why you say that. I'm not really mad at that thing. I see why you say that. I get why you say that. I'm not mad at that take. I get why you say that. But it's definitely moving in that realm of like,

when Christmas coming around, you got to watch the first diehard movie. For sure. Gotta watch Home Alone. Okay. Best Man Holiday might be in there. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And the three you just named are so cryptic in trauma.

It's so funny that their holiday movies. Like, this happened during holidays. Nothing is like really good about these Christmases. All right. Second round. Second round. New edition, if it isn't love. Yep.

Boys to men, I'll make love to you. I'll make love to you. I'll make love to you. If it isn't love. I'm like that's the age difference I think yeah yeah if it is in love no I'm not saying I feel this way it's just a different buy it's a weird version she stay on my mind and then the choreography they did that shit do to do you y'all don't even y'all wasn't outside man y'all

wasn't outside we did we did watch avon barksdale teach them the choreography in the TV series but y'all wasn't there man when john no that video that video that It was iconic. Ralph had the, you'll pull up the video, John. Ralph had the pants that went into the shoe. I don't think that's a fair versus. I wanted those. If it is, it was tough with the two groups because New Edition has more uptempo. Yeah, yeah, and Boys and Men is more ballad based. Look at that. They don't even teach choreography like that. Boys to Men and Jodicy is more of verses sonically to me. Yeah. Than New Edition in Boys to Men. Well, versus they will be performing, correct? Oh, then it's over. But New Edition wins every round. What about

No, that's not. Come on. Yeah, I wasn't. You know, I wanted those. My mom never looked at them.

They went inside with the no socks with the loafers. I wanted to go outside with those. All right. All right. Up tempo crowd pleasers.

Round three. Let's do. New edition, Mr. Telephone Man. Yep. Boys to men, Motown Philly.

Mr. Telephone, man. Yeah, I would have to go Mr. Telephone, but I love Motown, Philly. I love Motown Philly.

Mr. Telephone, He said, hello, can I help you please? The telephone man ain't never. Y'all don't even have landlines no more. Wait, I think. Y'all don't even know what it is to have a landline. Y'all don't, y'all don't know, man.

Y'all don't know. You weren't trying. That was actually a very close to Ralph impression right there. Can you try that one more time and try to sound like Ralph? No, I can't sound like Ralph. Ralph voice is too high. Okay. And that's another thing.

You kind of had it a little bit. That's another thing people don't look at. That was whole, their whole thing was catered around trying to sound like Jackson 5. Yeah, for sure. Ralph was close. He wasn't Little Michael. I ain't going to come on. We ain't going to get crazy. No one's saying that. He wasn't little Michael, but he was close. He was close. Candy rain? Like, he was close.

He was very close. I'm Ben Denny. Damn. Yo, you are, you are Josh. It'd be the most random songs that Josh make here. That just pulled on Josh's heart, right? Yeah, that just took that Josh's. Yo, I cannot figure out his music taste whatsoever. I'm Ben Denny, Boys to Men. Again, this is a different vibe.

New Edition Cool it now It's a different vibe I'll probably take on Ben the Knee Yeah that's not That's just a weird Two different vibes right there It's tough New Edition Crucial

Verses Boys to Men A Song for Mama New Edition Crucial Versus Song for Mama Nah You told me Everything and everything

You get with me I always keep it inside You are the driving forcing I'm going to call my mama And hold on though And R&B took that flow And ran with it too

Yeah All right well Demaris You also have to add in solo shit because that versus if you're in a like kiss played a bunch of lock shit against FAB like yeah

let's get Bobby to mix yeah now now let's put some body shit let's get into Bobby I said as a group alone obviously if you start if you allow single songs like if you allow solo if you do Bobby against a Boys to Mem record

doesn't have to be solo voice the mess up but again that's why to keep it fair I'm saying just group well it's not fair that's why we're saying new addition is yeah is it yeah because poison could be a bunch of Poison Men records. Yeah.

That's a fact. I'm just saying, man, JD, he got that one right. When you first hear it, it's like, huh? But then when you start doing, we doing getting into the music, like, really, it's a lot of groups that cannot fuck with New Edition. Okay. That's why I'm excited that they're going on tour, because I think this is going to help solidify, like, yo, this is the coldest group ever in R&B, ever.

Like, them niggas had hits. they went decades with hits like they crossed from the 80s to the 90s to the early 2000s like with hit records yeah though now even come on johnny rub you the right way my my my

my mom my when that came out when he went solo with that it was like nah dog these niggas is cheating everybody got a bomb the real verses I wanted to do which I know sounds laughable but young Jackson 5 versus young new edition

I think new edition is hanging I know that sounds kind of blasphemous. They hangin. They're hanging. I don't know if they're going to win. I don't know if they're going to win. Popcorn love. I know.

It'll be a good versus. I would pay to see that. They would hang. Yeah. But once they start getting into them deep Jackson Five cuts, it's like, yeah, man, just go ahead and leave little Michael alone. Y'all can't remember that. Little Michael was, don't leave him alone.

When he got the fro and he put that cowboy hat on, I never forget the first time I said A cowboy hat over a fro crazy as fuck I'll never forget the first time I saw that on TV Like I remember as a little kid As a little kid Like I understand how kids now that are born A stored like an ambit with Michael

It's like it's something about him When you see him on TV as a kid When you just can't stop looking at him Yeah Because kids that are born now Michael Jackson made there what 10 years? Mm-hmm Probably no longer than that

Longer than that He died of 09 right Shit like 16 years 16. 09? I don't know. I thought it was 05. You're right.

He died 09. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, they'll hang. But I do take back a lot of what I just say. Yeah. You had a little bit too much dip on that chip, baby. I mean, I want you back because my shit.

ABC goes out saying, I'll be there. Like, I don't even know many songs that could beat that. Yeah. Never can say goodbye. Who's loving you? Jobs. I want to be where you are. Jackson, who's love of you?

Who's loving you? No, that ain't even. I want to be where you, yeah. Nah, all right, listen. New Edition is allowed, young new edition is allowed on the stage with him. Yo, I'll say that. For sure, for sure.

But when Mike gave was that with the hat, who's loving you in the Ed Sullivan? Bro, listen, man, y'all don't even understand what this did in the black household. That? Look at Little Michael. Look at him. What the fuck you just say?

Yo. That's how Bruno Mars feel like. It's Maul. Look, Maul is a nameer now. Maul's like 45 years I'll be the nearest performance is one of the most legendary live performances.

I will never forget this. Like this was crazy. He was perfect. He was absolutely perfect. That's a different, that's spiritual talent. That's a different type of, you got to be born.

You were born, God wanted you. This was a chosen thing. Yeah. Despite all the work Mike put in, no, some shit just lines up that you were just the chosen one for everything. Yeah.

What's you listening to that? It's been a busy week. I listened to Summer Walker. Shout out to Summer Walker finally over it. Yes, sir. I don't know where I put that in the Overit trilogy. Too soon to even do that. Yeah, I don't know where I put it, but.

But I'm on the side that Summer Walker is three for three. And I don't, that's a tough thing to say for artists. Like, I think summer's been around long enough that we can start to have that conversation, because going three for three the way she has should be noted. I like the record with her Lotto Doja. You like, yo, go girl. Okay. Doja's on that, right?

It's Lotto and Doja? Go, girl. Yeah, all right. So that was the record. Of course, you know, online, it's always been mixed reviews, no matter what the artist is for the most part. Yeah. That was really like the only real negative critiques I was seeing was Go Girl,

but that's one of my favorite records off the first few listens. Are they killing that online? Yeah. I like that record. It's doing well on TikTok, but, like, you know, Twitter, Instagram and all that. People were saying that was the one they didn't like. It gives you either, that's a song that you're either going to absolutely love or absolutely hate.

There's no in between because it's a different type of song. I mean, I do have a take on it, though. What's your take, sweetie? I think Summer Walker washed two amazing rappers. I can understand why you say. She had the best verse to me. I'm not bad at that. A lot of it and Doja went off, but I was not shocked because we know.

Summer has a great pen, but I didn't know she was going to clean up. We had Bryson here a couple months ago. Bryson, you and Summer just need to give us the project. Yeah. Because they don't miss. Whenever they are featuring on each other's songs, they don't miss. So we need the Summer Walker, Bryson Tiller album. They were just on tour with Chris.

Hopefully, you know, there was some conversations about doing some more records together. because when them two do a record, it's hard not to like it. Well, that was one of my favorite places in the album going from situationships to give me a reason. And listen, man, she nailed situationships. Now, 1-800 heartbreak is probably the best. Would you like to expound on it, Baby, Dee? Why did that song speak to you?

Because Anderson Pop went. That might be first of the year. That he went crazy. Outside of 21, 21 Savage. We'll get into 21 Savage because 21 Savage said, if you fuck my friends, I'm going to give you a stylist twins and I'm a bite-d-bigh-that-do-your-make-a-bens. Cock it. Cock it. He went crazy. When the record started, I was like, all right, this is an interesting sound to put Anderson on and then the beat switched up and the bass came in and then

Anderson just got off. Like that might be one of my favorite verses of the year. That record is super fire. What Anderson said? Go down, Josh. He gave her, like, like a 64. Yeah, he went crazy. Keep going. While he's looking for that, I am now realizing how many words have S's in. You never, you never know until today? I was a 64. I was like, why do I keep picking things that have S's in it? Yeah, yeah, you never know until today how many S's you got to say, right? Oh my God, my teeth are killing me. Yeah, you're a soldier for having them just done this morning and getting on mic like that. Yeah, I was supposed to do it Friday, but I could not get Amara out of

the house on time. So I moved it and I just wanted to get the shit over with before. holiday started. Yeah. But they assured me. Assured me. They served me. Suffering, suck and trash.

Yo, can we get a spit guard for this mic? Because we're gonna need it. He's about to fuck that mic. Should we bring up some, some tongue twisters, some examples with S's?

Yeah. Give it a go. Give it a go, Roy. Let me hear you read. Let's go out when Papoos does the S's in a medical slaughter. We can't do that. I'm not.

I wouldn't even put you through that type of torture today. I wouldn't do that to you. Well, yeah, again, while he looks for that, the situation ship record which we've talked about on this pod so much those like three month

relationships where they're the best you just didn't love like she said that she said her situation ship ecstasy has nothing on him like not even your man I like the album I gotta live with it more though I was so I was so caught up on a while a project that I didn't really like give the

Summer Walker album as much attention that I usually do but I'm definitely going to go back to it tonight it's different it's a different sound for her. It's different for multiple reasons. I would say out of the three, it will be number three for me, which doesn't mean that it's not good. It's still good. It's just that I prefer the other two a little bit more just because I think I prefer production on one a little bit more and I prefer the vulnerability on another one a little bit more. But this is, this is good. She is definitely three for three. Yeah. The other two are a little bit more concise too. So this one's going to like

take a while to fully digest. I'm with you though. The production is good on here. But it's tough to beat the summer London duo. Like, especially when they were together and especially when they hated each other. Like, yeah. That duo is kind of unmatched. It worked. No, it worked.

It definitely worked. But I mean, it's still great production on it. When I first saw the track list on Friday, I was a little nervous because usually like heavy feature albums are not my personal taste. It doesn't really feel super feature heavy. Like you still get, a majority summer on it.

They're well-placed. They make sense. But I was nervous and I was like, oh, fuck, this is a lot of features. But I think they nailed each one. Rob Jimrides scientists. I mean, Demaris's a song of the year for you or what?

Yo, I could have robbed you. Hello. 50 cents sample in there. Niggas be so easy. Niggas be going. I could have put that bitch on my payroll and had you robbed because you're so easy, you're going.

Word of my soul, you easy as fuck. You feel like you want to expound a little more. baby, then tell us why you feel such a personal connection to that message? No, I didn't say it was personal. I'm just saying,

we all been there. We've all been there. We've all been there. Nah. Definitely, definitely niggas that you could set up with a bad bitch to get robbed because they just easy.

They're going. Shit is sad. Think highly of yourself. They just be having them at the crib. Like, just come on over. You baby, I can't fuck with Damaris.

Yo, just leave me a little, man. I don't believe you alone. Damaris is really crazy. All right, my bad baby. I'm sorry. Anywho.

Yeah. But no, a lot of niggas be going. Sorry. Y'all, you've been easy before. It's definitely a bitch that could have set you up to get robbed. Rob? I mean, it would have been a bad night for somebody. But yeah, I'm sure.

It was some nights while I'm dead. But see, the thing about me is I feel when I'm slipping. Like, I'll be in the middle of the slip like I'm out of here. I'm in here butt naked in the middle of her house. Like, this nigga blowing her line. I'm out of here. Like, you feel, some niggas just be willy-nilly laid up. They don't care.

Loose. Just loose. Yeah. Yeah, you're going to have to really catch me slipping. But absolutely. I've been in situations with women that definitely was not probably, like, safe. And if, you know, she was trying to have something happened to me, it could have happened. I mean, something would have happened to him, too.

But something would have happened to me, obviously. But yeah, definitely. But the thing is, I get out of that shit. As soon as I feel it, like, no, I'm bugging. I'm out of there. Yeah. When, I think I told you the time, Dale say, it wasn't a setup, per se, but I went to a woman's apartment. that went to Dell State

and her boyfriend called and he was, she was dating a local like not somebody that was at them. Yeah, he was right down the block. Yeah, yeah. I said, well the fuck you had a screen on the phone. She's like, he's not gonna come down. I said, I'm getting the fuck out of here.

Yeah, I never, whenever girls be like, don't worry about him. No, I'm worried about him. Like, you. I know, I'm not very concerned. Yeah, like, yeah, he sounds like he's crazy about you and I'm in your house naked with the, with the fridge door open.

Like, yeah, like. Getting the fuck out of here. I'm out of it. I'm out of it. What's my drawers? I don't have. don't have a lot of family in Delaware to help me out in this situation. I'm just going to run the fuck out of this apartment.

Yeah. Critique-wise, I wish baby with Chris Brown was longer. Like, just when I felt like it was ready to cook, it was over. That record could have been like five minutes to me. But I love that song. I don't know. I'm excited to live with this one. I know DeMaris is going to be whiling at the hookah spot to a baller.

Which one was? She's going to have the windows open in the car in the winter. I wasn't a fan of baller. Really? Okay. What did he like about it? I don't know. It just wasn't, it was cool.

But it wasn't like, for me. But it was cool. It took a song. Now, don't make me do it. Okay. Don't make me do it yet, that one. You care to talk about why that one spoke to me. Wait, for you want to say that?

Like, why that one specifically? Yeah, you can't ever talk about that one specifically. You want to give us a lyric breakdown on that one? No, don't make me do it. But no. No, it's a good album overall. No is really good. With the Beyonce sample.

Yeah. No was really, really good. Chris Brown, they had a, there was a Mariah sample on that, right? If I'm not, I think so. Yeah, always be my baby. So always be my baby sample. Stitch me up. The girls tend to love, our seeming of love, stitch me up, which is basically just like

fix me, heal me, that sort of thing. That's what Stefan told Cardi. Stefan was ahead of his time with the Stitch Me Up. he told Cardi let me fix you let me hear you no did you see the uh while a clip i believe it was breakfast club right um he was talking to charlemagne and he said

that he was talking to Cole and Kendrick about you know he has a child on the way and talked about some of his problems and just vent vent into the homies and then the next fucking day j cole put out false profits hmm can we play this clip

um i remember i called kendrick around that time, we talked about like a lot, like, we just had, that was at that time. And I remember, like, getting ready to have my, my child, I talked to code. I was probably the only two times I really leaned on an industry person, you know, so. But the crazy thing is false profits came up the next day. I was going to ask you about that. Post profits came out of the very next day after, but I ain't take it, you know what I'm saying? but I think

You didn't tell you the record was driving? Nah But, I mean, he said it's not really about me, but, I mean, all I'm saying is that

that's, that's my, I love him. That's my brother, whatever. I just, I mean, I think I kind of

halted telling any industry person, anything too deep, like around that time. Like, I just like, you know what?

I don't even want to think that they're using this, like, you know what? Yeah. Man. Nigga, what? What didn't you understand?

It sounded like he was getting cut off. He was like, hey, sorry, I ain't want to, you know, say it. Mall. Say what you're saying. Yo, that was whack. Nah, see, that's what I'm saying. Say what you're saying. Yo, that was whack.

And as a result of that, I don't really be talking to these rap niggas because I don't know if they're using, like, personal conversations for content and for like, information. That's what he was saying. That's what he said. He said it, though. Like, not as the way you just so eloquently put it. But yes, he said it. He definitely said it. Yo, Waleigh stand up saying.

Like, yo, I'm not, I'm done doing this with other people because it could be used against me. But that's the thing in this industry. Because Waleigh is a nice guy by nature. Very nice guy. And then when you find out that everybody ain't nice and everybody ain't the way you are, then you get on these platforms and you don't want to say it because you don't want to seem like you're talking about nobody. And I respect that about Wale. But sometimes you got to be like, yo, listen, man, homie did some whack shit.

And as a result of that, I don't really be opening up to wrap. and trying to get too cool with these niggas because they move funny. Just say that shit. But I'm not about, first of all, I'm not going to let you do that because the timeline is a little off with this and it definitely was resolved. And I also think Jay Cole out of all the rappers is probably just as equally nice as a human being as Wiley as Cole. No knock on.

I'm just saying Wale was sounding like he wanted to say something at the same time he didn't want to say nothing. Now, if in fact, if in fact they had that conversation on let's say the first and then false profits dropped on the second. I have to give so much credit to Cole, uh, felt in the creative team. The fact that you could write that record and make Jamaica Avenue into Willie Wonka Chocolate Factory video, wow. What a turnover to put it out. But I'm sure he's probably paraphrased. I'm sure it came out shortly after. But then Waleigh put out, um, Groundhogs Day, which I think is one of the more underrated, I don't think it's a diss.

More underrated responses. Like I, it still has replay value. me. I still love Groundhog Day. And then they went to the, I think it was a North Carolina game the next day. They were sitting courts out together. Like they resolved the entire thing. And I don't think. I'm not saying it's beef. It's like, you know, it's rap. You can have a little friendly like fire, like a friendly little like back and forth with dudes that you really cool with. So just to clarify, y'all are telling me that y'all think false profits is about Waleigh. Yeah. I think one verse is about Kanye and one verse about Waleigh. what was the first verse I'm trying to remember

maybe d I'm just speaking to in this in this clip that you just showed me Walee seemed like he wanted to say something but then he didn't want to because it's resolved in no I get it I understand it but then don't speak on it that's what I'm saying wait well why not you can still speak about some shit the first verse being about Kanye makes sense right second verse is the one that you would say will be about Wale yeah Okay. Absolutely.

Which, I mean, we've covered when it came out. Obviously, that was a big week on Twitter of who would be verses about. But yeah. And if Wally had a conversation with Cole, who he was on tour with at the beginning of his career, slept in the same tour bus, somebody that he probably confide with, like, not just some random stranger that also raps. Like, I'm pretty sure they had spent a lot of time together in a real way. When they were on, I think it was a blueprint three, one, whatever. There's footage of them in Denny's.

Like, they lived together for a long time. They grew up to go. Yeah. Like, that was their college years, more or less. Yeah, I'm sure he said a lot of similar things to him in this conversation. And Cole, having one of the greatest pens ever, easily just put that on in rhyme form. And while he was like, yo, what the fuck? I just had a conversation with you about all these talking points.

Yeah, but that's something. I don't think what Cold Day was wrong. Like, you know, sometimes you draw inspiration from real life things. And if you had a conversation with a close friend of yours and it inspired you to write a verse, like, I like that. I respect that. I'm just saying, you know, with Waile, because Wale is, you know, we always give him his flowers. We always say that he needs to be talked about more. And, you know, but in this clip, it just seemed like he had something on his mind or on his heart that he wanted to say.

but then he didn't want to say something that could be taken the wrong way and things like that like that's all I'm speaking to. It was just like he sound like he had something he wanted to say but at the same time he held back and was like, nah, I don't want to say that. Yeah, I mean, I guess this does go back to conversations we've had just over the years.

If I was Waleigh when this came out, I would feel the way. Outside looking and thinking what I know Wale and Cole's relationship was at that time and things I say to you, you put on wax. I don't think this is the dis, but it's like, damn, you put our conversation in a song and didn't tell me. Now, if cold have been like, yo, tomorrow, if you're mad, I totally understand it.

Here's the song. Just want to give you a heads up. I would respect that more. But I don't know if it's owed. The older I've gotten, which we've talked about multiple times, friends even in the music industry that I consider friends, not associates, I still don't put as much stake into it as I used to of thinking that they would owe me anything the way friends, maybe you've grew up with or don't work with, do.

So I see what Wiley is saying now of like, yeah, you can still talk about Phil away and it's resolved and him and Cole are cool. They should. They put out a number one record together with the vibrant thing sample. But I'm still like looking at it like now I know how to move with people I even thought were friends in the industry per se. Yeah, I'm not. Just move.

Or I don't have the expectations now. If I say something, it could be used against me. And the court of hip hop. In the court of hip hop, yes, for sure. But, okay, not cold caping, I swear, because that needs to be a phrase. Let me see you turn around. This is a classic record. Not cold cap.

Turn around. Let me see if you got a cape born. I didn't even see what you got on. It was a cardigan. Okay. I thought that was a cape. I don't know if I'm Waleigh, which I've never been Walee. I've never been famous and talented and all of these cool things.

So I know. I don't know if I'm Wale, if I hear that verse, if I'm offended. I don't, or if I feel like I was betrayed. You see what I'm saying? I don't know if I feel that way. Because honestly, the first verse can very obviously be set up to be about Kanye, right? But the second verse, if him and Waile were friends, nobody would, I don't think people would assume that that verse was about Waile because that fits, that's about so many rappers that are

doing well, but maybe not as well as they feel like they should be doing or comparing, you know, drawing comparisons to their peers or anything like that. You can make that verse about so many people in, in the music. industry. So that's what I'm like that. And even so, even if I did have that conversation with my friend, I don't know if that's the same thing that my friend told me, um, in private. If it's the same, the advice that you give in the verse, if it's the same advice that my friend gave me in private, I don't know if I feel offended or if I feel like I should have kept that to myself. For example, Roy, you've used, you've sent me lyrics that were like, you know, I draw, I drew inspiration

from you and homie. Remember? I can't be mad at you like, you betrayed me because. I was honest about my love life and you used it in a song. Like, that's, even if you never sent it to me beforehand, if I heard that, I'm like, hey, that's about. Yeah, but that was very much more open-ended than how direct, R&B, open-end lyrics are really for interpretation. Like, they're not as specific as what these rap verses are. And the way Cole masterfully put this together, it made you want to guess who exactly he

was talking about. The lyrics I sent you, nobody would sit there and go like, well, who exactly is this about with all the clues that are in there? Okay. And, but here's the thing where I'm a hypocrite in this entire conversation. I have talked about personal stuff on this podcast, whether it be significant others, whether it be my parents, whether it be my family members. And I never asked for permission, never even thought to give them a heads up. Hey, I'm talking about this tomorrow. It's going out.

So I'm a hypocrite in that way. We've all done that. So it's not like I don't understand what Cole did. shit, I've done it way more than Cole has. Yeah. So I get it, but I understand why significant others, my family, my parents have felt away. The same way I think, while they would too.

And on top of that, now everybody's in my mentions. And I already told you some of my anxieties with this entire thing. And that very thing that you took is now adding to my anxiety with all the fans in my mentions talking about this shit. So I get it. And I, but I think while I handled it fine, I was talking about the past. Because they were reminiscing in that Breakfast Club interview about kind of those four of Cole, Drake, Kendrick, Waleigh and how they all started together.

So talking about the ups and downs, I don't think is a bad thing. And I'm sure Wale is past the shit. But he probably is like, I'm not, I'm keeping some shit to myself, no matter who I think is a close associate or friend in the industry with stuff. No friends in the industry. My brother's in my brother's in it. Come on, y'all not listening. But I mean, even if you think it's akin to me. It's a fact.

That's the fact. But even then, like, I don't even think anything that Cole said about while I didn't jam. Y'all just jamming. Listen to what niggas be telling you. I'll be listening. I'm sorry. I didn't mean.

No, no, it's fine. You fools listening to music and just skim through it. I mean, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to cut you off. Forking the road, I went straight. I was young angel, but these niggas turn me evil. That villain origin story is going to be classic. I'm telling you out right now.

That villain, we're going to look back and be like, that's the moment it happened. I'm telling you. But anyway. Yeah, Wile, shout out to Wileo. Great album. I'm still bumping that. Still listening to that. Like it more and more every listen.

I do like the summer walker album, too. So you've finally given it some? Yeah, I've been spending that. Okay. The last, like, Monday and then Tuesday, I was like, okay, let me listen to this something. Let me see what she really gave us on this one. Did you ever listen to the Morayah album like I told you?

I did. Oh, okay. I've been told you I listened to that album. I can't remember. We talk a lot in this podcast. I forget a lot of things. Yeah, yeah. listen to that. But I like to some my album. I'm glad. I like the song my album. No, it's very good.

All right. So me and my sister have been debating on whether it's okay for a woman to approach a man. She says, no, matter the circumstance, the environment, the situation, a woman should never approach a man. And I think the opposite. There's the same. There's plenty of fish in the seat. But how do you expect to catch a fish if you never go fishing? You know what I mean? And so I think whether you had to even, the club, a concert, wherever. If you see something you like, it's okay to give a little tap, a little hey, hello, what's up, I see you, you know, and you leave it at that. Leave the chase into the man, leave the dates, whatever.

I get all that. Leave that to the guy. But as a woman, if you see something that you like, why not go say hi first? Baby Dee, can you please chime in on whether if it's cool or not? And what situation would it not be cool? I just want to debt this. Like, y'all please let me know. Appreciate y'all.

She's like the end of the Parker show. Remember when she used to talk? Yeah. Used to be like on the outro or the Parker show they used to talk. Like that's what she sounds like.

It's like, are you reading that off your phone? It sounded like a voiceover. It didn't sound like a voiceover. She was definitely reading that. 100% she had that type of power. No, no, I loved it. Like, um, no, I think it's cool

for women to approach as a guy. I think it's great. Yeah, I don't think there's anything. I love women with shooting shots. Yeah, it's nothing. It's nothing wrong. I mean, shit, nowadays, I might have to. Niggas getting canceled for everything.

Harassment. I'm just saying, we had a moment where it was like, yo, he was flirting with me. It's like, I just said hello. Like, what fucking are you talking about flirting with you? Like, so women should, I'm not going to say approach men, but give the hint that you're not mad if he comes over and decides to talk to you. Like, kind of give that.

Give the reassurance that you're interested. Give that warm, that energy where it's like, okay, like, she keep looking at me. She's smiling at me. Like, okay, cool. Like, I can go say hello and introduce. myself. Like, but you know, it is, it is a, it is a moment where men walking up to women and just start talking. Women would look at you like you crazy. Like, yeah, I also think it's great when women are directing that way because as men were terrible at realizing when we're being flirted

with as well. Yeah. There's been plenty of times that one was like, you know, I was like trying to flirt with you like, or like I'm just telling you like I was like, I didn't pick up on that at all. I thought you, I thought you just needed directions. Like, I didn't know. I didn't know you want to you were flirting with you. directions to my house. Yeah, I didn't even know you knew my name. Like, what the fuck? Yeah, I mean, but, you know, it's cool.

I do, like when you know a woman is, like, flirting with you or, like, she's a shot at you. It's like, the conversation could become cool because you can start like, oh, yeah, you're trying to holl at me? Like, you're trying to, what you're doing? You flirt? Like, I say it. Like, would you flirt with me? Oh, well, okay. Let me, let me see what your flirt game is like.

But, yes, the male ego is extremely fragile, but so is the female ego. because I've seen plenty of women that never wanting to be the one to like shoot their shot or reach out and then they try it, reluctantly try it. And then it doesn't go the way that they thought. Yeah.

Men, we can handle rejection because we get rejected all the time. That's all we know. It's just part of our idea. It's rejection. Women are not typically rejected. So when you put yourself out there, of course not every man is, no matter who the woman is going

to always like you or not. So yeah, they get hurt. pretty easily when they get rejected. Do y'all get rejected? How often do you have you been rejected, baby, Dee? I've been rejected once or twice. In life? I've been rejected.

I'm about to say those numbers is crazy. No, I mean, like, as in like, shooting a shot. Shooting my shot with a guy because I'm, I do that not often, but more often than the average woman, because I learned a long time ago, my male friends, my brothers, my dad would tell me that men were intimidated by me because I wouldn't get approached as much. And I see like, am I ugly? Like, why the fuck do I not get approached?

And they were always just like, no, you have a very strong personality. And if I was not, like, related to you and wanted to date you, I would be terrified to approach you. I would be absolutely terrified. And I learned when I would start shooting my shot at men that, oh, they liked me too. They were just afraid to say anything to me because they thought that they were going to get, like, crushed. They thought I was going to be rude to them or something like that. So I had to learn to be like, yo, what's up? And I also, like, risen men up.

It's mad fun. It's like a game to me. How are men? Because it doesn't happen to us often. So we get, like, you know, kids. I get mad giggily and shy. Anytime one, like, flirt with a few times. Like, yeah, it does make you feel better.

Not like in an egotistical way. She's like, oh, this is cool. This doesn't happen a lot. I don't want to fly. I'm like, what's up when we're going on? These are the dates. Or I'll just like, I'll DM you a picture of my calendar and circle the days. I'm free.

No, I see. That's when I'm not fucking with you. What? You send me your calendar with circle. I'm like, you, first of all, are you a doctor? Yo, these are the dates I'm free. I could fit you in on the 12th. No, no, I can fit you in.

Now, I can fit you in. see you make it happen. Niggas make it happen. Nothing is better than when you flirting with a girl and your shit is working. Like when your material is hitting, that has to be when a comic is like he's killing a room.

It's the same feeling. It's the same dopamine. It's rhythm and motion. Like, oh my God. When your shit work? Because then you start planning your neck like your B move. Like if this one work, we out of him.

I'm asking for the check. We out. That's the greatest feeling in the world when you know a woman is like digging you and the conversation is like, and she's laughing. It's like, damn, my material is landing tonight. That one comment that puts it over the line, are we just flirting for the fuck of it,

or are we flirting for a purpose in that conversation? That's when the dopamine hits. Like, oh, nah, she really wants to come through. Yeah, but it's a new type of woman I have, Rory. The woman that your material lands with, and then you're like, yeah, yeah, you think it's, you know, everything grooving it, and then she hit you with that question. So what's your intentions with me?

We just met. I don't know. I don't have an answer. I wasn't expecting the double team. Yeah. Like you bought the defender over. I wasn't expecting that. Intentions.

Don't ask me what my intentions are we just met. I don't know. I don't know what my attention is over tonight. I don't know where I'm going after this. I don't know. Like, don't ask me my intentions with you. I don't know you. Like, I think that's weird.

Don't ask me. Like, we just met at the bar. You asked us. So what's your intentions with me? That's weird. Yeah. Like, what you mean with my intentions? Because then if I'm being honest, I'm an asshole.

Yeah. And this is why Damaris was saying we could get robbed so easily. Yeah. We're spitting strangers butts on the first night. No, no, she's coming to my house. I ain't going to her house. You're coming to my crib. That's worse.

Nah, no way. Yep. Show is. But I got an exit plan of her friend. I got a bitch so bad shit puts your ass right out. You wake up anything gone. Me? I'm willing to try.

What is easy? I'm willing to try. Let's try. Is it worth some material items? The material items can be replaced. Going. Experiences can steal that pearl necklace right off your neck. After I give it one.

Like that. That's called offense. See, you thought the defender coming over was going to scare Rory. He just went before the double team got. He just blew past the screen. You're like, yeah. I saw you coming. And if a woman came to my house and fleeced me, I would have to, I'd call her and say,

yo, you keep all that. You're ill. Because if she got all my shit down all them steps, you deserve it. What is she going to take for me? I don't have cash in my crib. I don't have a bunch of fucking jewelry. I don't have like... You got jewelry.

Jewelry, guns. You want to take my guns? Like, all right. Cool. Like, then what? Jewelry and guns. That watch, she could get a little, a nice little piece for that watch.

How she's going to take it? It's going to be on the nightstand. Like, I'm going to see her like, I'm not going to see my watchers going before she leave. She's going to put you down. She's going to take one. Put you down? No, that ain't happening.

I ain't no young niggas. I ain't no young nigga. Like that happened to a young green nigga. Exactly. Old niggas get put down. I mean, all right. We don't have to show on the screen. What's her at, though?

Like, let us be the deciding factor of this. Easy-ass, nigga. I just want to see if it happened. Easy-ass. See if a chick gets in my lap. I want to see if she got in her eyes on her Instagram. That's all. I could tell in the eyes.

If she could fleece me, I could tell. She would definitely set me up. If you would let her, is what you do? Just take me. Do with me as you will. Here. Okay. I mean, we'll be worse, though, if you like it that much that after she fleeced you,

you still wanted a second day. You want her come back. You can leave this. I got another watch. I just got a new one. You couldn't find this other one. I missed it. Missed this one.

Yeah, this one I hid inside my sneaker box. Yo. Please. Now you're doing treasure hunts with her. You'll never find it. But naked in the house away. You'll never find it. That's like couple building to me.

Yeah. Put the Rolex box in the bed under the blanket. Like, guess where is that? Come get it. Yeah. You can't play that game with me, baby, Dee. I'll have fake watches all over the house. Take all the shit.

I wouldn't do it. Fake watches. I'll go right to canal and go crazy with the rollies. Like, yo, there's a shorty coming back. She's going to think she hit the jackpot. I'm in here snoring all kinds of shit. Take all that thing. There was an error when the fake rollies look better than the real ones.

Still do. Absolutely still do. That was it. That's the only voice amount we had? All right. Well, listen, we got through this episode. Well, I do want to know Demaris quickly before we get out of here. The two times you were rejected, what was like.

I'm sure. was more than two. Did you cry? Two I can remember. How did it make you, well, first of all, what was your game like? Like, how did you same calendar move? No, it was, I had walked up to this guy at a party and I was like, I think, I was like, you had a girlfriend?

And he said, unfortunately, I do. And I was like, that's not rejection. Yeah, you were gone. Yeah, that was one time. And then. That's not being rejected, though. That is rejected. How is that rejection?

He don't want me. He got a girlfriend. So you would have preferred if you would have been like, let's go cheat. It's not a preference. I'm not saying that it was a, that he hates me, but it was a rejection. I was rejecting. To me, rejection is where there would have been an actual opportunity to date. Like, if you go, if you go up to a married woman and she's like, no, I'm married, I don't think she just rejected me.

I think she's just married. Okay. That's your opinion. Rejection to me is a single person says, I don't want to date you. Oh. Yeah, that's happened to me from that. That's happened to me. It was a calendar line, wasn't it?

Huh? A single person, like, turned you now? Yeah. I mean, I'm not everybody's cup of tea. I'm way too much for many men. I am a lot of woman. So a lot of people don't like strong personalities. You know why? Or more docile women. You know why? Why? They're gay. Maul. That's not true. Gay, gay. That's not true. He's quoting half-baked.

Maul, you don't like women with like personalities like mine. You prefer like more laid-back quiet women. Who told you that? I've dated every type of woman, baby, dear. Okay, well, which ones did you prefer? I've dated strong personalities. I've dated more laid back. Which ones did you prefer? It depends on, honestly, like, looking back, it probably depended on where I was at.

Okay. Like, what in my life, like, what my energy was. Like, I've always been laid back, but I had a time where I was definitely more, like, wild and just, like, obnoxious to. But now, I mean, strong personalities is probably something. that I'm usually more attracted to because I'm more laid back. Yeah, it's usually like that. And if this nigga put too much mayo on my sandwich,

I'm not saying nothing, but you can. You know what I'm saying? Like that type of shit, like, babe, get this nigga. This nigga put mad mayo on my sandwich. I don't want to go over it. Layback men love me, but I will always go for like the men who had more personality and they just be like, mm-mm.

Wait, but just because you laid back don't mean you don't have no personality. No, that's not what I mean. But I mean, like, like both of us can't be stars. I always say that there can't be two stars. in a relationship. Somebody has to...

Why not? Jay-Zee and Beyonce seem to be very happy. Yes, but guess who took a step back to let the star shine? Who is the star in that relationship? Personality-wise. The woman is always a star. They're both stars, but personality-wise, who's the star? But Jay is laid back.

Yeah, by nature. Even though he's a star, but he's a laid-back person. Exactly. Yeah, but he didn't become that when he met. Trying to be a bigger star than Beyonce and in the relationship is fucking crazy. Yeah, you should probably just get out of the relationship. Yeah, I'm not. even trying to be like I ain't got nothing for that but like you that's all you and then the woman is

the star and yeah that's I agree it should be like that but there's also many relationships where the woman will take a back seat like they have like this big person bubbly personality of a man and they'll be more more laid back I think that it has to be a balance in that way yeah ego wise as well because when you got two two people who think the world revolves around them it's it's tough to make a relationship work so yeah One person like that is tough to make a relationship about. Not exactly. There's relationships that function just fine like that.

That you think the world revolves right? The world revolves around. Not literally where they're a selfish person. Okay, got you, got you. But they're just like they think the world revolves around them and they have a partner willing to. My longest relationship because I thought the world revolved around me and I had someone whose world also revolved around me.

Now, granted, we gave in our relationship, but it's just a different, it's a different dynamic. Now, the trick is to making a woman feel like, like the world revolves around her, but she definitely knows that you are the one in control. That's the true. Like women, though. Like, this nigga is just letting me run amok and do what I want to do,

but I know not to play with this thing. Like, he ain't going for the bullshit. And there's also an opposite dynamic with that as well, because I've had the opposite dynamic, where it's like, okay, sweetheart, you run it, everything is, you control everything. You appear to be this big man to everybody. No, no, no, no, no, no.

But we know deep, we know deep down. we know. Just said advice in a relationship. Don't call your boyfriend a big man. Because that's only condescending when you say, you got it. You got it, big man. No one ever said that seriously.

Your girl called you big man. It's another nigga tag. There's something my mother used to say. That's like, you got it, chief. Unfortunately, I took it and I've used, I used to hate when she said it when I was younger, but I say it now, like when you just see a nigga, that's just all that.

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