New Rory & MAL - Best of Rory & Mal: Week of 12/1

Episode Date: December 7, 2025

This week on New Rory & Mal, the guys debate who has better rappers between New York and Detroit, T-Pain rants about fake friends in the music industry, Rory and Mal are horrified by the new Diddy documentary, and Demaris clears up a few questions about women platonic relationships #volume All lines provided by hardrock.betSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed human. The volume. Do we want to stay just quickly in music? Not that, I mean, this may be more of a Patreon thing. I'm just a rap nerd. Beans put out his list to top five Philly rappers, excluding himself.

I was actually curious what your list would be. Philly rap? Yeah, so this is Beans, top five, greatest Philly, without him, of course. Number one, Black Thought. Number two, Young Chris, Three, Freeway, Four, Meek Mill, five, Gilly. Excluding him.

Yeah. I would want to hear where y'all put beans on there. I know he excluded him, but y'all should. Beans is number two to me. My list would be Blackthought 1, Beans 2, Freeway 3, Chris, 4. Actually, I got to stop line. I'm capped. I don't know where to put Eve.

I'm capping right now. Beans is number one. I'm not mad at Beans being number one. Beans is one of my favorite. Blackthot is a fucking alien. He could probably rap better than 99% of nigs on planet Earth. I would say 100%, but I don't listen to Blackthot

as much as I listen to Bean. Okay, but we're talking about greatest rappers. I listen to Beans. And me and you have had this discussion too, just because you listen to something more doesn't make it greater. So greater rappers. I'm still going to.

My five I'm sticking with, I'm just, I feel like Eve deserves to be in that five, but I have Black Thought, Beans, Freeway, Chris, Meek. But I want Eve to be somewhere in there because she deserves to be there. She does,

but if it's five, I don't... Like, I ain't gonna lie. Does Chris rap better than Eve, of course, but I still have to put in, like... Look at what Eve has done. Gillie rap better than Eve? Yes. Okay.

I'm not familiar with Gilly's pen. No, Gilly is a great rapper. Yeah, no, Gilly rapes. Gilly is a really, really, really good rapper. He does. He writes better than Eve. Just wonder. Yeah.

Gilly rat's better than Meek. Yeah. But I put Meek there just because of what Mique has accomplished with songs and... But Gilly rap better than meek. For sure. I think Meek would probably say that No he does It's not I mean it's not

He does Gilly listen a lot of y'all Met Gilly through podcasting Like Yeah it worked You know what I remember When Gilly Trying to sign Gilly

Yeah it was putting out You know He was dropping Joyce He was on every fucking DVD Like Gilly definitely raps better Than a lot of people think

And a lot of people really don't know Gilly's you know His bars like that But trust and believe He's definitely One of the Illesepa For Philly And I put some respect

Just on Philly Periods I mean the way people talk about Hove taking young Christmas flow people would say the same thing about Wayne when everything shifted it was a gilly flow

it was definitely a gilly flow I was definitely a gillie said you was wearing soft toe rebox when I met you so y'all wasn't watching gillie gillie flow is iconic the way Wayne we talk about being so influential like there's a gilly flow yeah like I'm not on the side

that he'll ghost for it everything for Wayne or I don't even want to get in the weeds of that but Philly between Detroit and Philly I think are probably the two best cities of just straight rapping like if you just got you just got a rap New York's not in there just to rap not song not some all song wise yeah I'm just just bars Philly in Detroit there man that's top two to you you bugging the fuck out man you think Detroit rap better in the New York you crazy's a motherfucker All right, big pun versus Eminem

And you know I'm not even a big M fan like that Why are you snatched big pun? Because I'm doing New York I'm doing New York versus How did you get that? That was horrible That was what they tried to do How is that big pun and Eminem?

What kind of matchup is that? We're talking about people that just rap really, We don't think big pun rats really, really, really well Yes, but I'm saying Pwn is not one of the best rappers from New York? All right, so why are you to name Jay Z? Why are you to name Nas?

I think pun and M have a similar flow than Naz in Eminem or Jay in Eminem. I think pun and Eminem are closer together as far as how they rap. What? Do you know how Jay started rapping? Yeah.

Like the fucking double time bullshit. That's not what M does? Dead in the middle of Italy. Like, I can't even do that shit. That's M to me. That's one rap. That's one part of a rap you're talking about. That wasn't pun style

throughout his career. For sure, but I mean, the first album, he's rapping, rapping, raping with Black Thought, actually. No, pun can, no, don't get it twisted. Matter of fact, I interviewed. Does somebody name it Pund? And the first thing when he even got on PUN's album was just in Philly, it was like, yo, that's the one in New York that just raps better than everybody.

That's why he wanted to get on that shit because PUN was one of those. I'm not saying pun wasn't. But it's just weird for you to say pun versus M&M. Like, who's that? You might be the first person to ever said that. Hawaii Sopi defines Jay Z and how his rap style is? No, I'm not saying that. But you might be the first person to ever say big pun or M&M.

You might be the first person to ever say that. I don't think, you know, I'm not doubling down. just because I'm fucking hard-headed. I do think that's a very fair comparison if you're doing Detroit versus New York of who raps similar. Pun and M are very close in that regard. All right, I'm taking pun.

Well, I am too, but that's I'm biased. So what you're talking about? So now the golden horse of Detroit is out. So now who you got? I leave New York away from all these conversations. No, don't do that. Don't do that.

No, you said Detroit and Philly are the best rap cities. That's what you said. Yeah, because in Detroit, you have... M. Royce L's eye. Yep. Legends.

Rappers, for real. Shit, I'm just having a brain fart. It's okay. Fart. Yeah. Should I start naming New York? Because I can. Like, if you want me to start naming New York for you, I can.

You know, I, you know. Who would you name in New York? Taking away songmaking ability. Just rap? Just rap. Taking away songs. Because why I'm making that comparison is, yes, of course, New York freestyle like that. But New York was so focused on making songs from the 90s into 2000s.

in Philly and Detroit. It was just rapping. No. Hours on end. Just rapping. Philly is one of my favorite rap cities. You'll never hear me say anything about the spitters. I'm talking about the niggas that really could rap from Philly.

Like, it's incredible bars that we can, we can quote. But when you say best rap cities and you go Detroit and Philly and just like what? I think, I think M. Royce and Elzai is the craziest three when it comes to just rapping. Like, period. Jay Nisenberg. They focus more on the song What are you talking about? They focus more on song

What are we talking about? What are we talking about? Nobody raps better than Jay Nause and Big. Nobody on planet. I'm not going to disagree. Because you know where my bias stands on everything. So what are we talking about? People gonna give you on y'all ass fighting for Eminem

to be better than all three of them. Y'all do not know. Better than who? Jay Naz are big? Yeah. People got to guys. You niggas better go back and listen to some music. JZ, Naz, and Biggie are the best rapper.

Like, I always take J over M in any category. But I can totally see why someone be like not. M, if you print out a piece of paper, yes, he's rapping better than everybody. That's what I'm talking about. Somebody from L.A. is screaming across the coast right now. About L.A. rappers? Mm-hmm. Respect to all the major cities.

You know, we can name a bunch of cities, but I'm just saying Rory said before. I made it all right even the last 10 years that L.A. has been outwrapping everybody. The L.A.'s been outwrapping everybody? Yeah, he's had this conversation. easy. Yeah. Easy. But if you're going back to the 90s, like, yeah, is Snoop incredible?

Of course, but it doesn't add up to all the rappers that were in New York at that time. You told about rapping. Every time, yeah, you say Snoop name, I just think about that Snoop and DMX versus. I hate that versus so much. I hate that they did that. That matchup? You didn't hate that match up? Of course I did.

I hate it. I really can't believe they did that. Because DMX said he was molested and y'all kept dancing. But to you. he always got to make it weird. That was my takeaway from that. Yeah, I just, I hated that matter. I never think that Snoop and DMX was supposed to be in a versus against each other.

Like that was, I didn't like that matcher, but rest of the piece of the X. To be fair, sorry, who would you have rather matched them up with? Because what I saw that was, I saw that as more of a celebration in a real versus because who would you put them against? Snoop. Snoop might be easier. Who would you put DMX against? Oh. Hmm.

I don't know I would have put X against I'd have to think about that because we were recording I can't really think of it but I just didn't I remember when they announced that I was just like Snoop versus DMX

it just that was just never felt I mean we looking at it we Snoop Dogg and then DMX was the dog man I think they tried to lean they went that way with it but if you took my catalog

and you know skill set and it just it wasn't a good matchup No, for sure. But that's why I said I think some of the verses were more celebrations than. No, that's what it turned out to be. You know what I'm saying? But I just didn't like, I remember when they announced that I was kind of like, I don't really like that.

But I was happy that they gave DMX that platform because a lot of people needed a history lesson on DMX. So that was dope. I think that kind of ties into the T-Pain rant on a club Shay-Shay. Let me not call it a rant. I hate that word. He was talking about Khalid during his club Shaysay shit. and saying, more or less, I'm paraphrasing, Callie was my best friend when he needed me

for the first three fucking albums. And then after that, when I got a little colder, I don't hear from Callie. I, okay. You know, Teddy Bender ass is one of my favorite of all time. I'm not here to even defend this. It's the music industry.

Why would you expect Callie to be your friend? I get what you're saying. Maybe it's because I'm saying. so jaded at this point and we've had a similar conversation where I don't have the expectations of people anymore. Will I look at it kind of funny if we was sitting in the studio for 10 years straight and we brothers this

and that and having fun and then all of a sudden you don't call? Yeah, I think that's corny and weird. So that's what he said. I don't know, like, that's what he's saying. I don't expect it. But that's what he's saying though. Like if we did all of that, we have all of this history together. We probably had some, you know, heart to

heart conversations, spent a lot of time. You know, families probably know each other. to an extent like and then all of a sudden like I can't get a all we did was when yeah I can't get a return phone call I can't if I reached out for something maybe you know I wanted you on a record and I couldn't get that from you I could understand T-Pan T-Pain stance of you know fuck DJ Callet but the thing I don't understand is and I've said it and people kill me for saying it but DJ Caled is obviously very self-serving yeah and I don't I don't understand how people don't understand or see that by now.

Like he's very self-serving. Sure. Which is fine. You know what I'm saying? Why he's been the businessman that he's been in the music business. Right. So, I mean, but again, T-Pain probably felt like they were a little closer or a little better than that.

And, you know, I mean, it is what it is. If that's what his stance is, if his stance is he's not fucking with Caled. And I'm sure he has. Because T-Pain is not somebody that I can remember ever having a real issue with anybody, other than AutoTune. I don't want to talk about Callid's. character per se, because I don't really know Khalid as a human being.

But when I was at Def Jam, he was an executive. While I was at Def Jam, he was an executive there and an executive at Sony, which was unheard of. He's also a DJ. Executive and DJs are only working with what's hot at the moment. There is no tie to anything. Khalid actually doesn't, I don't think, gets the credit he deserves to be the executive that he is.

But he has the mind of a DJ and executive. He's only going to fuck with what's hot and pitch it as if their brother. You don't think Leor Cohen's self-serving? Yeah. Do you don't think Lucia Range is self-serving? Yeah. You don't think Kevin Lous who I love. That's what I said.

Is self-serving, like, as humans in their personal lives. Like I'm sure with their families, they're amazing people. Yeah. Business, we're talking about. Yeah. You have to be to be successful. Listen, those companies, those companies are net 30, net 60, net 90, not just with paying people, but also with the relationship with that person.

Andre 3000, you're only as funky as your last cut. I don't owe you shit. But you can't say that because you don't know that person relationship. Because music is so emotional and you're pouring your life into it. Some people rightfully so view it as that. It's not. It's not. You can't. I don't abide by that.

I'm not one of those people. It's not. For some people it's not because you have a lot of artists. I'm not one of those people. No, I know that. But I'm just saying you have a lot of artists and a lot of producers that work. together that are very close, that are like family. And I felt like, you know, maybe Calid, well, maybe T. Payne felt like that was him and

Caled. Like, we can go back and look at the history. T. Payne was on every big Calid record when it was We the Best and all of that. Like, it was, it was T. Payne everywhere. I mean, it was Ace Hood everywhere. And now both of these gentlemen have, you know, certain feelings towards DJ Calid. But, I mean, it's looking like they're both in the same ball. and they're right.

Like, Caled used them when they was hot. You know, it was making a lot of records, making big songs together. Then once Bieber sent his vocals back, he was like, fuck Ace Hood, fuck T-Paid. Once you're getting future vocals and Beyonce vocals and Rihanna vocals, it's like, I don't need T-Pain no more when I got future. I don't need, you know, Ace Hood when I got Hoves sending, you know, verses back. When I got Nause in the studio and I got, you know, so, I mean, T-Pain probably feel like, all right, well, I asked for a record, which is probably what he did. And Callie didn't get back to him,

didn't respond. And so now he's like that. Okay, it's like that. Well, then this is how I feel. Fuck you. And T. Payne is not wrong for that because, again, this is the music industry and we know it's business. But through business and through, you know, spending so much time working with certain people, you build a relationship, you build a chemistry, you build a friendship. You build even family as simple. We've seen a lot of people in the industry become family through working with each other. And, you know, sometimes it goes that way. Sometimes it's, you find out this person was just using you. And I think that's what T-Pain is at.

Yeah. I mean, where do you fall on the side of if you're not being used, you're useless? I mean, yes. Not about T-Pain, by the way. No, no, no. I get what you're saying. Because my problem with this whole thing is Caled is creative enough and T-Pain is a goat. You could, Caled and T-Pain can make a hit record right now.

100%. But, 100%. But, you know, it's, I mean, Listen, man, I'm not the biggest. Like, I don't like many of the Calit Projects albums. I don't go back to a lot of those. The early ones I definitely like. Well, the early ones, yeah.

That's who was on the early ones. I think the... Hi, 10. Here we go. What's the one with his son on the cover that is his son EP? I love that one. Yeah. I don't want to mispronounce his son's name.

But, yeah, I love that. That was probably my last favorite Caled. Yeah, but I just don't, you know, I get it, man. And it's a tough pill to swallow when you realize that people's only using you because you was hot at the moment. But it's a real thing. And I mean, I hate to go back to the first point of executive and DJ. Like, he's a DJ. Even if you go to Flex, like, yeah, there's probably artists that had two great records in 98 that Flex played all the time.

Does Flex owe them the 2025 record they want to put out? Like, he's a DJ. He just moves on to the next thing. But that's completely, that's completely different. I'm sure, and I hate to just put Flex in this, even though I'm critical of Flex. I don't want to put something on his character. I'm sure Flex is called Mike Geronimo brother before. And I love Mike.

Like, I'm just using an example of somebody that had a great record in the 90s. I'm sure Mike has went to Flex after. Like, yo, I got this other record. And Flex was moving on to DMX at that time. Like, I'm just playing. I'm just playing other shit. So you could do that. Then I could say, do you think that if Pat Poo's ever went to.

rest in peace case. Slay with a record, Slay wouldn't have played it? No, wouldn't have happened. Fair? Wouldn't have happened. I'm trying to think like with Clue. Nah, because even Clue when, I mean, Rann is probably one of the best rappers of 20, 25, 24, 23. But I'm sure when Rann was trying to find a record, yeah, Clue played a lot of RAN on the radio.

No, I think about it. So we know DJs play. He had invested. And I don't know Clue and Rand's actual personal relationship. I'm only outside looking in about the entire thing. Clue had an invested stock into 18 with Hitch and Ransom. So he had a incentive outside of probably loving their music. He wouldn't sign them if he didn't. But he had an incentive to do so. I mean, does Callet have an incentive outside of Ace Hood is a different conversation. But does Callet have an incentive outside of what's popular? I mean, but when it seems like, you know, you have new famous friends and then you forget about your, oh, because T. Payne is still famous. And if you forget about your greatest ever existed. And you forget about your old famous friends.

That's corny to me. I agree with you. I think it's corny. That's all I'm saying. I'm just viewing it down to what T. Payne said. Brother means nothing to the people in the music industry. If you're music industry friends, like, I don't know if things are. You can't say that because...

I don't operate that way, but I don't expect other people to operate that way. And I don't either. But we can't say brother means nothing to people in the music industry. Because to some people in the music industry, brother does mean something. And I have plenty of examples of brothers in the music industry. For sure. So that's why, you know, just say, brother don't mean nothing to Catholic. It's okay.

Nor does Palestine? Yeah, north is Palestine. Like, it's okay. I just say that. But don't make it a, you know, a music industry thing because we do know the music industry is very cutthroat and it's very fucked up. But we also do know we have a lot of great relationships, great friends, and great family in the music industry as well. All right. If Callag got super cold after the second album, do you think T. Payne would be like, yo, let's do a record in 2025?

And Payne never got cold to me. I'm just using an example. do we think T Payne would do the same thing? No. I don't think so. You think he'd be like, all right, let's Calid because we had those first two projects list in 2025, I got you. Yeah, we've seen artists do it all the time. Artists that had hot records in the 90s, early 2000s, and then they come back in 2025 and be like, shit,

Nause and Premier about to put out their first album, but I mean, weird. No, I'm just saying, but they gave us something in the 90s. Yeah, sure. And they had been teasing an album for years. 15 years I want to say maybe more and now and now was finally it's not one of them picked up the phone one of them picked up the phone it was like yo you know what I'm saying and nods could have been like yo nah pream you ain't that hot right now to me I'm just saying apples and bowling balls I'm just saying he could have I'm just saying he could have yeah especially coming up all the hit boy shit

getting his first Grammy I just don't put calut and premier in the same no I'm talking about the relationship yeah I'm talking about people still you know, holding people to a certain regard, no matter if they're hot, cold, whatever it is, if we made good chemistry together, make good songs, made good music together, I don't care if you're not hot right now.

Like, we made, we made some shit together, and we probably still got some shit in the hard drive that we need to go revisit. But, I mean, that speaks to Prime's character, too, because Prime will, I mean, we'll work with anyone. That's why I think he's a go outside

of all the amazing shit he did. But him and Nas relationship started when Nas was nobody at 19 and gave him New York State of Month. Prim was already on. Rupon was already on. Ben out. Like, Nause was nobody. He was like, yo, I got you. I got you. Prim is just a different type of human being in that regard. If he fucks with you,

it doesn't matter how popular you are. He'll do it. So say fuck and say brother means nothing to Cali. Prim is an amazing human being. So say brother means to. I don't know Cali. I know I know Prime. I know Prime well. Say brother means nothing to Cali. Don't say to people in the music industry. That's all I'm saying. Mall, this is disgusting. I think it's time to upgrade. This This is insane. You're right, man. You should upgrade to the iPhone 17 Pro because, believe it or not, is designed to be the most powerful iPhone ever.

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I did finish the Diddy doc yesterday? Diddy dock? The reckoning. And I rushed back to the house to watch it because I thought it was going to get taken down because his lawyers did send some C&Ds, which once you get to episode two, you start to see why.

Listen, I finished the doc here last night here before I went home. I was like, let me watch it because I did feel like it was going to be taken down. soon since cease and desist was sent out. And I would have been mad because I watched the first two episodes and I was like, oh, shit. Yeah.

So let me watch next two. And listen, if everything in that doc is real and true, I think we all like, we all owe a lot of people like, damn, because we watched it happen. Yes. Like, yeah, watch and shit. Like, it was right. front of us, things happened and, you know, one of the things that I did take away from the dock because, you know, you go back and there was, you know, telling things that happened and then from people that really were close to puff and grew up with them and was there from day one

and just hearing the way they spoke about him and then watching things, you know, that you know that you know happened publicly and things. It was definitely like, damn, like, how the fuck did this continue to just happen right in front of us and nobody, you know, and y'all know all the time I always say people don't care. that we pretend like we care and when things happen like oh my god prayers condolences and then we hit scroll and then there's no more prayers and condolences and things like that but the documentary did shed a lot of light on a lot of things that i didn't know about gave the testimony of people that were you know spent a lot of years around did he working with him whether it was personal or just business

and i can see why his lawyers did want to cease and desist because it does it can paint a different picture for people who supported Diddy over the years. It definitely paints him in an entirely different light, an entirely different perspective of the man that many of us have supported over the years. But overall, I thought it was a very informative doc. I thought it was, you know, it's fucked up what happened, but it was a good documentary, though. Yeah, that's why, you know, we gave 50 a little bit of shit last episode

just because we thought like, all right, is this him just being petty because of their history? and his child's mother and like are we gonna get one of those clipped together Hulu docs that is just like this was a money grab and unnecessary as far as the dot goes it was very informative and very well put together yeah like episode one was I thought I like really knew the ditty story for the most part it was a very informative diddy doc like just in general about his life and his family life but once you get to episode two things do start to fall off the

Was there any new information on here for you? Because I mean, I know we're a little closer to everything than the average consumer when it comes to this type of stuff. Yeah. As far as the music industry. I know a lot of people learned a lot of things for the first time in this doc, which I think is great. But was there anything in here, you were like, yo, what the fuck?

Well, when they said that the Wallace Estate paid for the funeral, but then they came out to prove that that wasn't true, that Wallace State did not pay for, Biggie's funeral. And that was something that I was like, wait, hold up. Like, again, if any of that is true. Yeah. And they're saying that that's not true.

But that was definitely one of the things that I was completely thrown off by, like, I was like, I'd never heard that, never knew that. And if that is true, that's fucking crazy. Yeah. In the doc, it explained it as if Bad Boy paid for the funeral, but it came out of Biggie's recording budget. So it was a line item in a P&L. But this morning, Lauren LaRosa had went on the breakfast club and said she spoke with Biggie's estate slash former manager.

And he said he has been on the royalty statements since the very day that Bigg passed away. And that never happened. Bad boy paid for everything. That wasn't something that came out of Biggie's budget. Okay. So I have a question. This is devil's advocate because I know everybody's bleeding hearts. But don't most humans pay for their own funerals?

So when people were like, he didn't pay for his funeral, like don't most people pay? for their own funerals? That doesn't happen. Well, if you have life insurance and things like that, like a policy, yeah, but the thing was, the way they set it in the dock made it seem like it came directly out of,

like, money that was his. So essentially, look, Biggie made bad boy money, right? So even if bad boy paid for it, in a way, the Biggie paid for the funeral, right? Yeah. But the way they broke it down, the way they explained it in the dock, it made it seem like,

You know, because they were saying, Puffer saying this is going to be the biggest funeral ever, seven, third, but Biggie's going to pay for it. So when you hear it that way, you're like, and then they're saying like, yeah, he's the one that came out of the Wallace estate or whatever. It was like, that's a little crazy if they did it that way. But in a way, yes, you're right. You do kind of, you do pay for your own funeral. It does come out of funds that you have, whether it's life insurance or, you know, again, being one of the biggest artists in the world at the time for the label, if the label pays for it, you can kind of say that you work for it. You grossed that money

for the label. So yeah, I get it. But just hearing it that way was definitely like, wait, what do you mean? Biggie paid for his own funeral. Yeah, it's more of a moral thing because like how they even painted it in the dock with that segment. It was like, all right, big thought he was going to London. Puff said, nah, we're going to go to L.A. to promote the album, even though we know it's probably not safe. We've been getting death threats. Probably not the best time to go over there, but they were painting Puff's arrogance where he felt like he was so bulletproof. It didn't matter of what the truth was. So he dragged Biggie there to promote an album that was signed to Bad Boy.

Unfortunately, that happens to Big. Then he, to Mall's point, says it's about to be the biggest funeral. But like, wait, does Miss Wallace want it to be the biggest funeral? If you're paying for it, all right, like, cool, you can bad boy up this entire thing. Yeah, that makes sense. If you're paying for it. Then right after that, he was supposed to get the cover of Rolling Stone, like a few weeks after the funeral.

And that was crazy. Which I've heard that before. That I'm pretty sure that's factual. That was crazy. So right after, allegedly, you don't pay for the funeral. Now you switch the cover that was supposed to, you know, honor your best friend. You switch it to you because you have to do the no way out shit. Your leading single, which made you God knows how much money is I'll be missing you,

which you promote immediately, which I get. It's a tribute song. But we know Puff's mind. Of course he was mourning. but he's going to take advantage of that moment. And yeah, it looked all nasty when you add all those things together if Biggs family indeed had to pay for the entire thing. But it turned out that that was not the case,

and Puff did pay for it. But still nasty. Well, if so, if that can be questioned, then don't we now question the integrity of the entire doc? Well, that's why lawyers love this type of shit and why I know they're going to amplify that Biggie's estate said this because, you know, it's similar to what we even saw with Diddy's sexual assault cases

where we saw the Cassie one and we saw the footage but then a bunch of people came out the woodworks where stuff looked like all right this is true over here but this seems like some bullshit money grab, kick him while he's down maybe he'll settle type of thing

and that's what lawyers used to be like see this case is bullshit so everything must be bullshit and that's never really what it is like sometimes misunderstandings happen in there I don't know if there was much in the dock that couldn't be proven to be true outside of that one. I mean, I think the Tupac thing,

they didn't say it in a fact. They alluded to it, but which I mean we can discuss, do I think, just speculation. No one knows this to be a fact. Do I think that Puff probably said to some gang members, in passing or in a room, put some money on their heads? Yeah, I do think that happened. But do I think the people that allegedly

killed Tupac, went to Vegas with the thought, we're going there to kill Tupac so we can get the bounty money that Puff put up. No, I think Pock punched the wrong Crip that had a beef with the people he was rolling with and Crips do what Crips do. And then they, whether there was a bounty or not, I think those Crips do what they did regardless. Now, once it's done, I might as well go collect some money for it too. Yeah. That was the kind of what I took from it. It's just something that just happened to happen that night after a conversation, however many days or weeks ago. So it kind of lined up that way. But, you know, overall, the documentary to me just it gives a different perspective on somebody that we've only known publicly.

Not much personal knowledge of the type of person that he is. But just again, to hear those people talking, I forgot the gentleman's name that was. actually with Bad Boy from Day 1, who he took the 25% stocking Bad Boy from. Yeah. Just hearing him talk and, you know, it's like guys like that, you know, here's somebody that we've never heard from. I've never seen him sit down and talk about that. I just don't think that he would sit there and fabricate something at this point.

Like, what does he have to gain from that? Yeah. You know, I mean, his story, his truth, whatever happened and, you know, why he signed over the 25% that he owned a bad boy. I mean, I just think that he, I don't think that he has to lie about those type of things and circumstances that happened around that whole thing. But overall, I mean, it was very informative. It shed some light on a lot of things, hearing from testimony from certain people, even some of the jurors spoke about why they didn't find him guilty on, you know, the sexual assault charges and things like that. And the juror said it.

It was like, yo, it's hard to, you know, find him. him guilty of that, yes, we see the tape and we see the video of him assault and a woman, but then we also have footage of them hours later at a gala together. And I know how, you know, abuse is, whether it's physical, whether it's verbal, you know, whether it's mental, you know, people are victims and, you know, but it's hard to tell a jury to find somebody guilty of this when you have more footage, you know, of them on vacations together after that and this and at third. It's like, well, yes, we do think that this was toxic, this was very, wrong things happen but at the same time do we find him guilty of these things because it does

take you know it takes too and to give the jurors some grace there too i i blame more of the prosecution like yeah we all saw the cassie tapes all that like not that's not what he was charged for do i think did he is a guilty human being of course i do yeah but you guys put up a bunch of shit that you couldn't even really prove happened and all the stuff that we did know to be true, he's not charged for. So if I'm a juror, I'm sitting there like, yeah, I think guys a piece of shit, but this is the system America has made where you have to prove the charges that you have right here and you're not doing that.

So what am I supposed to do? Yeah. Say he's guilty for something that's not in the court right now? I can't do that. The one thing that stood out to me in the doc was how around every tragic thing that happened in his life, he was the one that came out of it. you know, whether it is like his career elevated out of each of these tragedies.

And that's kind of like, that raises an eyebrow. Like, how come you the only one that benefited from these tragedies? Like, life got, you know, from the, I guess from what we see and what we know, seems like life got better for you after these tragedies. Success happens, you know. And it's like, why is that? To me, that's what the one thing I took from the doc. Like even going back.

to the city college, you know, stampede that happened. You know, at that time, Puff was just a party promuled in the city. Young kid, throwing parties, you know, bringing people together trying to have a good time. But even out of that, there was an elevation. You go to get the Uptown after that. You know what I'm saying? And then you and Andre Harell fall out. And then you take what you learned from Andre Harell where, you know, like, I'll be showing these people was talking.

Like, none of these guys got really paid from uptown. Like, they got that day advanced, but after that, a lot of these artists struggle. Go to Bad Boy, you start your thing. A lot of those artists can say the same thing. Craig Mack has, he's Grammy nominated. He has a number one song and barely pays bills. And then he asks you for money and his wife says, you pull out a $100 bill and give it to him. It's like, for people to have these stories, it's like something, somebody ain't, everybody can't be lying.

Like, that's just my thing. When everybody get to talk in, it's like... Order smoke, there's fire. Yeah, everybody can be lying. Now, is there some things that, you know, is it 100% true? And maybe that's their perspective on how things happen. We understand how things get a little blurry there. But the bottom line is when you look at, you know, the things that happened as far as the tragedies and then look and saw how Puff was able to elevate from that and was the one that kind of became, you know, the star and things like that.

It is, it does, it does raise an eyebrow. like that's something that you kind of got to look at with a side eye like something ain't right here yeah i mean puff came across as probably the greatest self-preservation human being i've ever seen to your point every time something bad happened to everyone including himself in that circle he would find a way for everyone else to be the fall people and for him to continue on no matter what scheme or way he had to go about it he will always he's always going to self-preserve no matter what even with the bad boy family. Well, I'm not going down. Right. I got to keep the family movement. Do you think that started around the city college thing? Because I almost watched it like kind of in reverse in my head

towards the end, thinking of that moment. Yes, Puff was just a young party promoters. Should the cops have probably had a better structure there? Should Puff have maybe had better security? Of course. There's a bunch of what is there. Not saying he's completely innocent, but still, he's throwing a charity basketball. He doesn't know about that shit. It's unfortunate what happened. Because he got out of that Scott Fri and then even said himself at that point, I had never been that famous in my life. I immediately became famous because of a tragedy. Do you think that started the mind state he had of being so metaphorically bulletproof in any situation?

I can get away with anything. I can have someone to Shug's man in front of a fucking club in Atlanta. It's going to happen to me. I could shoot up a club with J-Lo. Nothing's going to happen to me. Yeah. Like, that I think is where he started to build that mentality along with drugs to just start seeing the world as objects and opportunities.

Like Kim Porter, that was the opportunity. He clearly had a very fragile and crazy ego. So because that was Albie Shores girl, I'm a get her. He says his other baby mother. Oh, that's somebody else's 50s baby mother. Like he has that mentality where this isn't because I want that woman. It's because I want that object opportunity and ego boost for the people around me. Yeah.

That, I think, just built more and more throughout the years because he never really took an L. Yeah. I like, I don't get it, but I could see how that trajectory mixed with pink cocaine could get you to the place that he treats the world the way he does. Of course, I can beat up Cassie. Why can't I do that? Look at everything I've done and gotten away with.

It's almost like he has like the mentality of like that rich kid that had a billionaire father that knew they could do anything and dad will get him out of it, but Puff would get himself out of it. Yeah. I think he had that same mentality as the years went on. Well, I mean, people that grew up with him and they spoke to that. Yeah. How they started to see the change and then Mark Curry was talking about the intro and the

album, things he was saying, you know, now he's talking like a gangster. I put a million dollars on your head and get you erased. Mark is like, the fuck? What? When did that? Like, when you start talking like that? Like, so, you know, you got to look at the. those things and kind of say, okay, yeah, where did it, where did it start? And I think the documentary

did a good job at kind of trying to point that out, like when the ego came into play, when the God complex came into play, and then, you know, talking to people who were directly close to him, who was speaking to certain things that they saw and experienced. And, you know, and again, you see, watch it. You take what you take from it. I don't think I learned too much. I mean, it was interesting to see them put everything together from the very beginning of, you know, Puff being a party promoter and trying to get into the industry to where he ultimately ended up today. I thought they did a good job with that. But overall, I mean, you know, definitely probably one of the better diddy documentaries, I think I watched. Yeah.

I mean, it's definitely in a way different way up there with the Apple music. What was that? Can't Stop Won't Stop. About just Bad Boy in general. I think I maybe like that one better because I didn't know about all of the shit where it was like, oh, I can enjoy the music and the artists and this, you know, was obviously a tough watch. But back to the God Complex thing, did you ever see the Anthony Weiner documentary? I suggest everyone go back and what. It's a very fascinating documentary just about the last year of him in politics and him getting caught again when he was running for mayor.

Like everyone kind of forgave him and then it was like, wait, you're still sending dickpicks to young girls? Like, what is wrong with you? they filmed the entire thing. And the whole time I'm watching it, I'm going, why is Anthony Wiener allowing them to film this? Why am I able to see these moments? I felt that would puff two of the God complex.

Why are you being filmed in a hotel talking to your lawyer that way about what type of defense that you need? Yeah. Like, where in your brain, why are you filming this? That was the one thing. Even with the dead he died,

it's like, how did 50 get his hands on this? So, like, how does that happen? There's been conflicting reports, but what I did see that seems like it would be the most truthful one, Netflix was somewhat involved with Diddy shooting a documentary going into the trial stuff. Okay. Because Puff was very confident in his God complex that he was going to be found innocent. And once again, to your point, he would try and fall from the ashes and here comes Puff with this dock of like, damn, look what we put him through with the trial and he was innocent the whole time.

I think that's what Puff had in mind. Okay. And I think Netflix was already involved. once you get arrested I don't really know what happens with the rights of stuff or if anyone got paid Netflix may have owned that footage

and then you know here comes 50 you guys own what? Yeah I know editor Wait wait what did you say? I know an editor 50 probably opened his Macbook

and was like you know what I'll do it yeah man the part with Little Rod Little Rod is his name the producer I feel bad for him I don't feel bad

laughing at some of the stuff that was in the reports just because how it read, I think as humans were allowed to laugh sometimes when something appears to just sound funny when you read it in paperwork. But once, like, he humanized it and you heard it from him, yeah, I was like, damn, damn, I'm sorry, man. Yeah, they did him dirty. Outside of the adult grooming, producer grooming, also, what do you get, like 17K or some shit?

No, you said he got 29,000 producing that album? And then those voice notes, like, pure God complex manipulation. Like, Puff, I was just on a Yaw would. You spend a hundred grand on gas for that thing. Can you pay me the money that you already said you owed me? How much did he said that he owed him? I didn't watch something. He said 250 was what he was supposed to get for producing on a love album.

Yeah. He ended up getting me like 29. 29,000 out of 250,000 that Pups said he was going to give him. Yeah, man, it's tough, man. And it's not, and, you know, the fucked up part is there's so many people that have. a story like that in the industry. I do some incredible records, incredible songs. And, you know, just because you're chasing the dream.

And, you know, you get flown out to fucking Italy on a yacht with, you know, somebody that you looked up to as a kid. And now you're working with him and producing music with him. And he's telling you, you're going to give you $250,000. You're like, fuck it, whatever I got to do to get this album done. And, you know, like, if I got to witness some crazy shit, if I got to be a part of some crazy. shit. You know, it's just, it's fucked up. But people pray on people like that because they know that they need that opportunity and they, you know, they need that moment to kind of like be able to, like he said, take care of his family and his kids and have his kids be able to take

care of their kids. That's what he was chasing and that was, that was his, you know, his goal. But voice notes, man. Puff was like, yo, you know what I'm saying? Like, I know, you know what I'm saying? I know you ain't going crazy. I was like, that manipulation. Oh, yeah. And then the, like, now I feel like I got to look at you crazy. Yeah, like I don't want to look at you crazy. Like, wait, I'm crazy because I'm asking for the money that you said that you would pay me. You came up with that number. I didn't come up with that number.

Yeah, it's tough. But that's also like, and I won't say it doesn't happen in other businesses, but adding on to why the music industry is so fucked. A lot of that weird shit can happen in the environment of creating music. Like blocking out for the love sessions. Shit, I came on the spot. I went to one of the love sessions. I was trying to get on that fucking album. Nothing crazy was happening in there at all.

But when you're blocking something out for a month, yeah, if I leave at 1 a.m., I don't know what the fuck is happening at 3 a.m., but a lot of producers are still there, actually there just to make music. Now you're complicit into this whole thing. Like, I don't think Little Rod did anything wrong when they went to the strip club on the boat.

Yeah, take this bad boy hat on. They know what it means. Like, I'm here to produce, man. But I get why Little Rob would just be like, all right, man, We just have, yeah, you want me to go get some girls. Like I'm not doing anything wrong, but not realizing that you are now complacent in a way bigger sex ring right now that you have no idea. You thinking, oh, he said I'm the next member of the hitman.

I'll take a bad boy hat. Let me walk around the strip club with it, not knowing that you are now, they know that's the flag. Oh, there's the guy that we need to go to to sell pussy. Yeah. Perfect. We'll go to him. And Lil Ross, like, well, I'm going back to the studio. Yeah, no, we're going back to the studio.

Yeah, we're all going back. Yeah, it was tough though. Did you watch it? Did you finish it? No, I didn't. I was just, I haven't even started it. That's why I was. Yeah, you should finish it before it's taken down.

Yeah. I do think it'll be taken down eventually. The Aubrey O'Day segment was really tough to watch. I heard about that. I feel for her, she told her story of somebody on the staff had walked into one of the studios where Puff and another gentleman were having sex with her. She looked really out of it, slump. like she had clearly been drugged.

She has no recollection of this whatsoever, but you could imagine the toll that would put on you if somebody was like, I 100% know I walked in on you, Puff and another gentleman having sex. And you're like, that never happened. And now you're starting to question everything because you know there's been crazy practices

with shit getting drugged and this and that. And she even said, if this person's lying and I keep going with it, now that gives Puff's team even more ammo. And she's like, I know fucked up things happen. So if I pursue this and it ends up not being true, now it's like, hey, look, they're lying over here. Yeah. So she's in a weird, conflicted position there.

I can't imagine. Because that came out in one of the civil suit accusers had said that in her affidavit. That, I can't imagine hearing that for the first time. Like, oh yeah, by the way, he raped you too. He was like knocked out slumped. And he's like, what? Yeah, that's wild. That's like, what?

No. I want to ask Demaris, have you ever been in the situation or seen the situation with two female best friends? You know the women that are besties? They're not bisexual. They're besties and they're fake gay with each other. Like they would never like bump. They'd just blow hookah smoking each other's mouth. Yeah, they would never bump coochies.

They're not like, but they'll, you know. Bump coochie. They'll kiss after the hookah thing just for like laughs or like do a selfie. They're not really bisexual. They're just drunk and besties. Has there been a situation where one. wasn't doing the bestie playing. Yes.

And the other bestie had to find that out the hard way. Yes, that happens very much. When one wasn't doing the bestie, what? Sometimes one girl is actually bisexual and this isn't just fun bestie energy at the hookah spot. She's here for game time. Some of them don't know, though. She wants to bump cooches.

Some of them don't know, though. Some of them don't know. Some of them don't know what? So some women will have that relationship with a close friend of theirs and not realize that they're really sexually attracted until they've been doing the whole fake gay thing. And it's like, oh, like, it's stirring up feelings at me.

Yeah, for sure. That's how I found out I was gay. How did you find out you were gay? I found that out from playing gay and realizing, oh, I'm not playing. Yeah, I found out when I was younger. Now was the bestie, she was bisexual and was trying to turn you out? No.

No. Okay. Nope. She was straight. And y'all had, this is something that y'all would do when y'all was, like, hanging out? No, just, just, I don't. I don't want to get too deep into detail with it for her own protection. But yeah, like, yeah. Her own protection is crazy.

You don't know these days. This is your friend. They put our adgers on the internet. So, I mean, exactly. So, um. Yo, de Mera's finally out she's gay because she was just playing around. It's fucking hilarious. Bro, it happens.

It happens a lot. It happens a lot. It's like, every episode of Euphoria. It's like, I wasn't gay. I am now gay. Oh, my God. That is hilarious. I'm sure that happens a lot.

But sometimes, like, you know how. See, that's why I tell niggas don't play gay games with me. You're going to find out What male besties do that? That's enough of a thing. But you know the game. White people, white frat boys?

Yeah, y'all play the games. Y'all, y'all do the games where y'all, you know. I get drunk and kiss my homeboys. No, no, no. But, like, grab a ball in the locker room. I have never grabbed a ball in the locker. If it ain't a basketball. I'm not having a ball, period.

Like, you know, you know the games that white boys play. Like, I'll be standing here talking to a girl. My wife friend come up behind me and pull my shorts down. Yeah. Like, you know what? Okay. So that's our, that's our games. The frat games.

The frat games. I play those type of games. I played those type of games. I never played. Slap each other's ass, but like gripping the cuff. Good game, but you grip the cuff? No, niggas.

We ain't played that in my hood. That game didn't make it up town. Yo, cuffing after a good game is fucking missed. Yeah, like I don't. Like leaving your hand. Yeah, like that. We didn't need that jump shot that bad where you got to grab my ass. I always thought that that good game shit was weird.

Anyway, that nigga has mad body parts. Why are you tapping his ass? Well, it's not really like We're not looking at it like tapping his ass It's kind of like a pat on the back Like But it's mad back Like a man's ass is little as fuck

It's mad back But you literally You're literally You skip the back And go and tap his ass Yeah it's a little homoerotic Y'all I'm not here to defend it I don't fully understand it either

But yeah I mean I guess because your arms are there After the free throw It's just like In reaching distance I'm not going to try to clean it up I don't really I can't.

I didn't invent it. I'm a victim of that as well. Like I've done it. I've done it. I've received it. Just be honest. I play ball growing up. But we weren't looking at it like, yo,

that's some weird shit. It was just shit that we did. But. And then I'm a nigga fuck around. Don't like have no meat on your ass. A nigga fuck around and slap you like good game. And you got recoil? Crazy.

Yeah. That's fucking crazy. Your ass having recoil as a man is wild, though. Like that is wild. Wow. And somebody notices it. Like you got the football tights on and they saw it. Yeah, like, because that's my thing.

Like, so you, y'all do that to, like, even no ass, even the home, because everybody knows the football player with the fat ass. Like, we all went to school with the football player with the fat ass. You telling me you tapped his ass and you ain't feel it, bounced back. Nah, you niggas is gay. I don't care. We had on gloves. I didn't play football.

Basketball shorts looser. Yeah. Listen, baby, I'm not. I'm not here to argue with you defend it. It's crazy. It is some weird shit. Like I get it, but you know, we weren't looking at it through that lens. Some of y'all wasn't. Some of y'all

that's how some of y'all discovered that I was gay. That's the fact. Well, I definitely wasn't looking through that lens. I definitely, I didn't, that's why I stopped playing ball so many years ago. I was like, you know what? That's why you gave up the game? I was like, yeah, the same for me. You would have went to the league. You would have went to the league if they wasn't slapping asses. They wasn't slapping asses. I might have went pro. I ain't allowed, but.

Might have went pro. That's how straight you are. I gave up a professional basketball career. I was like, I don't like that shit. So what happens if you get up after this and Pige goes good pod? Yeah, no, we're not doing it. That's sexual harassment in the workplace.

Yeah, definitely that, 100%. That would be funny if an athlete, because you would have some grounds for that. You're in the workplace. Yeah, but. If my teammates smack me on the ass after a free throw, I'm in the workplace. I'm on the clock.

I didn't ask for that. That's just weird, though. But I get it. But Baby Dee, I'm glad you shed light on finding out how you're gay. I think that's important. I think women need to hear that. I mean, but I was very young. I won't say which age again because it will expose the friend, but I was very young.

I just think it happens a lot in adulthood because, as we said, women aren't really friends with each other. And they meet, like, a lot of friends, like at the club and become besties. They're like, they'll have IG baddy friends. I think some of them ain't playing gay. And I think some of the studio sessions and say that you're your friends. I'm so tired of y'all shooting at women. Y'all be meeting. Me getting to do me.

Y'all be me and niggas at the bar. Y'all happen to be fucking two bitches. That's cool. Now y'all are friends. Like, y'all in the studio together. Now y'all are friends. That's survival. If I got a double date, at least, like,

let me try to get along with, homie. I've never met a random man at a bar and we're still friends to this day. Let me just put that out there. Yeah, I don't think I've ever done that either. It's never happened. That's a wild thing. Y'all meet the random homie of a random homie and now y'all friends. Like, now y'all boys.

Now y'all boys. Yeah. So you mean like, if Rory brings a friend in here and like we all kicking it and like, now y'all friends. Now you're not today. I'm not going to leave here, but like, yo, that's my friend. But like if he's around for the next two, three years and we're hanging out. It's how people meet.

Yeah. It's like, like, yeah, it's like, yo, I met him too. It's like, damn, you didn't know that girl. Then you got to know her and married her. But the marriage do the same thing. Who don't do? Hi, we're not doing that. We're not right.

Not this week. Not this week. Not this. Today is not. This is not the week for that. Okay, I'm sorry. Because I know where you going and before I want to have to steer you out. I'm not.

I would never do that. I'm not going there. I'm not going there. What's fucked up is that is a double standard with men. Like women can meet their friends any and everywhere. Men like, yeah, we would look at you a little weird if he was like, yeah, you know, I was just, you know, having a beer and he was right next to me and we became friends. Yeah, we can't meet each other.

I think that guy has something else on his mind. Yeah, we can't meet. We can't. Because then it's like, yo, what's so with your men? Why he keep hitting, trying to talk and text me?

Like, what's that with him? Like, you have to be like, yeah, not, hit him to them all and like we kicked it. And, like,

you can't just meet men and be friends with them. But see, that's why the male loneliness epidemic. Y'all ain't got no fucking friends because y'all be afraid to meet people. Not afraid.

I just don't fuck with people. You should probably fuck with people. Just randomly chatting it up with the hands. Well, you got 400 brothers and sisters. You don't get nobody else in your life. I got my friends. I got, I'm cool. new friends.

You had a best friend more? Yeah. What's his name? Mike. Mike? I ain't never heard of Mike. Why I ain't never met Mike before? Probably I say M.

Nah, it's not bringing a bill either. He ever been around? He came to the, uh, he came when we had to, um, he was here when we had to, uh, people pull up for the, for the party. Oh, you might have left. He pulled up after. Oh, no, I think I was, I don't think I was there either. Oh, I, I, I, yeah.

Oh, shit. Yeah. I'm done button shops. Okay. He was here. He came in. You might have left, though. Oh, okay.

Yeah, but that's not like we grew up together. Like I might have known since I was like. So like he would say mall is my best friend? I mean, I don't know if we say best friends. We wouldn't say that. And we don't put that on it. Myspace Top 8. You guys would both be number one.

That's a little weird too. But like we know like that's like family at this point. Okay. I was like, I think I was 11 and he was nine when we first met. So is that what makes men best friends? Is that time? Is it time? Because Rory's best friend has been his best friend since he was like seven to.

So I always wonder what men like, because I know what women, it's about who we feel closest to with men is it like. Well, for me, well for me, I'm speaking for myself. It's, yes, time, but it's also experiences. It's also going through things together. And then like just that bond of like we cannot speak for three months, like at all. And then I can call him. We pick up right where we left off three months ago. Like we don't have to see each other every day.

He got his life, his family. I got my life. You know what I'm saying? It's like, yeah, it's like we, we, you're secret family. Like our relationship, our bond is not contenting on to speak in every day. Like I don't need to speak to nobody every single day. You know what I'm saying? Like, so it's like, you know, you know what somebody is because y'all've been through some

things and loyalty was tested and, you know, things like that. Integrity was tested. And you just see who somebody is. And then you look up and be like, damn, like we've known each other over 30 years. Like, shit is crazy. So, yeah, that's, that's. like I can't even say best friend. That's that's family at this point. That's not even like a best friend. Yeah. Because even like yeah, I think women define best friend differently too because

there may be people I'm closer with than my best friend at the moment just because of where my life is. To your point I'm not speak but that's still my best friend because it's been 30 years. But like we don't speak every day like I'm probably closer with Raven on like Ravens your best like daily talking about what's going on in my life than him, but I wouldn't say that Raven's my best, best friend. I don't know. I would say that Raven's your best friend. She's definitely one of my best friends for sure, but I don't know.

But that's family. It is, it is. Raven is family. That's not, that's something I can't put best friend. But your best friend should be family. Like your best friend should be family. Yes, agreed. I didn't meet my best friend in a bar over a beer.

Yeah. But also what men require from their friendships is well known that you don't require much. Men don't require much. We don't. No, it's just the things y'all require. Those are the important things. Loyalty.

Honesty. Y'all loves requiring loyalty and not giving it out. Nah, that's young niggas that do that. There's little boys that don't, that do. Oh, talk that grown men talk, ma. Cheating is a young boy sport. Cheating is a young boy sport. See, who bought up cheating?

Or a rich man's sport. That too. But shit, no. When you loyal is, it's just something that you don't even have to think about it's just who you are you don't have to think about it yeah well you you know what so don't put me in that box baby d i'm sorry on sunday sunday with my free afternoon i'm gonna go to the bar and just just chat it up with a fella you should i'm serious you never know what you have in common with people and then y'all be like girls

aren't really friends you guys and meet each other at a club and suddenly your friends it's like well yeah girls make connection and then if hey if i'm getting to know this person and they become deeper in my life they become deeper in my life if not then we get rid of them bitch weird If I go to a bar and a random man just starts having conversation with me and he's not the one making my drinks, get the fuck away from me. He's either gay or I'm getting lied. Yeah, it's one of the other. That's just the world we live in.

Either he's trying to take me home or he's trying to take my kidney. One of the other. Well, not exactly. Not exactly. Either way an organ is involved. Yeah, either way. Either way is not happening. Yeah.

I'm an organ donor that night regardless. Ew. What? But sometimes, like, I've been to. Like, I've been on the phone with a man who was at a bar and, like, there was like a chatty white boy next to him. He's drunk. He just, yeah. He hate his wife. He just needs somebody to talk to. Like, I think that that's like as humans that we should. I don't talk to somebody at an airport bar, but we knew that we're getting on separate flights and never, I don't even want to know your name.

Yeah, we'd never seen each other again. What if you guys have like, you know, you could do business together. Oh, sure. Well, that's different. Yeah. If the conversation goes there and you find out like he does something and y'all kind of in the same industry, like, yeah. And then you guys become friends. I don't know about that. It's a little gay. That's gay.

Jersey swapping is gay. What's jersey swapping? After games, athletes will swap jerseys and take photos, and now people are doing it outside of the club with their button-up shirts. Man, I'm not. See, that's crazy. I can see Pete's doing that, though. That's definitely Pete's point.

That's Pete's bagger. No, Pete, I don't think there's anything wrong with talking to strangers at the bar, but, like, to continue on. on, I get at your local, like, cheers. Like, that guy's there every time you're there. I could see you forming some type of a friendship. But to just go to a random bar, meet a guy, be like, let's exchange numbers and get lunch. That's crazy.

But listen, I know it sounds crazy because it's not. It's just how male brains work. Because Pete would be, he'll be, he'll be sitting out about any of the be women. Like, he'll be talking to a woman. Man, peas be, no, peas be talking to mad fellas, like at the bar, bro. You heard Pete? He said, nah, the fellas. Like, if you sitting there talking about the game, like, that's not holding.

Or like, yeah, that's different. Like, we're watching the game. That's fine. But y'all should stop. But I've said this plenty of times when y'all say, women, we can't do anything or women call us gay. No, it'd be y'all. Y'all put so many gay strengths on each other. Like, just be humans.

And you would have so much more fulfilling connections. We're talking shit. Like, of course, if I go to a bar, I've had conversations with. But you can take, you can. But we're not. We're not about to exchange numbers. No, we're not doing it. on that.

Usually anytime I'm going out, there's a lot of mutual, like, if I'm talking to this person, they know somebody that I know that's here. So that's why I've never found out. I'm saying just, if I go across the street and just sit down and just start chatting it up. And then, then I'm like, hey, come see the office. And you guys are like, how did you meet him? Like, oh, we met at a bar. Fire!

I don't know. There's nothing fire about that. Get this fucking random guy out of here before he kills all of us and wears our skin for a fucking jacket. Like, this is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed human.