New Rory & MAL - Best of Rory & Mal: Week of 4/28

Episode Date: May 4, 2025

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This is only for the best. Please drop that beat. No. Well, the one thing that happened is this, this 100 men versus one guerrilla shit really took off again. I'd like my flowers. Oh, no. Is this one just a mall to the team? For whatever reason.

I just don't know why this is taking off again and why everybody seems to be still debating this 100. Let me explain something to people that I think people don't understand. Because I see people with theories like, no, we'll send the first 25 in. And then we'll send the second wave in and this. that when y'all see what that gorilla do to the first three niggas and when they start that gorilla start throwing niggas around like nunchucks just picking a nigga up by his legs and just start doing whatever and all his guts fall out of his ears and shit I want to know who's going to keep charging the gorilla after that so the only i was raised in america i'm not a spartan i was not raised from birth

to be this if you i am going to leave this is why it's bullshit if it was a hundred men in a park It's same Central Park, Million Man March. If they said it's a guerrilla loose, every nigger in that park will start running for cover. Niggas ain't going to say, where's that? It starts charging that. That defeats all of that shit. You can say it's a pit bull loose at the Million Man March in niggas is running.

A gorilla? Imagine somebody. Elijah Mohammed and Muhammad Ali would get along and be like, yeah, we're out of here. A gorilla? Yo, come on, man. We got to, let's have fun with it. But come on, man. Y'all not doing nothing with no gorilla.

So to be fair, to be fair, these men would be signing up so it wouldn't just be like, that's fine, right? But the only thing, the only thing. My cousin signed up for Afghanistan. He wasn't prepared. What that mean? Just because you could sign up, don't mean you ready. No, but.

He got shot in the leg in North Africa and was like, I'm going to Temple University. Yeah, it's over. A gorilla. All right, go ahead, baby. Okay. But the only theory that I saw that made sense is that if a gorilla, saw a hundred men because he doesn't usually come into contact women in the wild. If he saw a hundred men, he might be afraid.

That's the, it might scare him a little bit. That's all I'm saying. Okay, that's great point, right? Hold on, hold, I got this. I got this. Great point, right? Now, what you didn't factor in is at some point, because it's 100 men versus meaning these 100 men are trying to get this gorilla to submit and beat the gorilla, right?

It's like basically kill the gorilla. is what you're going to have to do. Yes. When that gorilla figures out where it's at on the food chain, you don't want to be around when the gorilla find out like, oh, I can kill all of you niggas right now. You don't want to be around when the gorilla figures, because you're right, the gorilla might be thrown off at first,

like, yo, what is this? But when the gorilla, when that light bulb goes off and the gorilla figures out like, oh, like, I can kill each and every one of y'all. You just don't want to be around. Like when the first, you've never seen a man split in half, like his limbs pulled over his body. If you were to see that happen 20 feet from you,

the one thing I can promise you is you're not going to keep engaging an animal that just did that. You're going to retreat. That's just a natural thing in your body that's going to say, get the fuck out of here. A hundred men versus one gorilla, it would be 97 deaths. Three niggas would get away.

If Joe Frazier was around in the prime to throw the first chin shot and everyone realized that that did nothing but make the gorilla go what y'all do that? Everybody is going to be like alright never mind I think that people don't know

what a gorilla is I think they think they're no seriously I think people because some people might think a gorilla is probably a chimp or just a monkey you know what I'm saying like they're like oh no that's a little cute no we're talking about like a silver back

no then they didn't they up did this is when I this is when niggas lost me they said all right what about 200 niggas versus a full grown polar bear bitch I'm cool It's just getting crazy I'm cool It's getting crazy

And I assume we're in his environment Well naturally You know We're slipping and slott In your park Niggas don't like the cold First of all We gotta start there

It's gonna be slipping and slide And take us to the house We're cooked on a fucking So somebody came up With their dream team For beating the gorilla Maul can you read that for me please Who is this?

All right fuck it Let's go So this gentleman says give me three Baltimore niggas 30 Samoans 12 Chicago niggas 5 Nola punks And by punks hold on

He mean punks He mean them niggas that Rory was just talking about I was just about to say I want to edit this gentleman's thing If you gave me five Of those transgender With the automatic rifles outside of poor boy We might just need five

No weapons, no weapons No it's no weapons It's hands Of course if it's weapon you could shoot a gorilla and kill it Yeah, we know that. What's on a hand-to-hand combat? Nah, everybody in New Orleans has guns. Five Nola punks, the 2004 Detroit Pistons,

Draymond Green, 2008 LeBron, the baby Salon. The baby comes with guns, though. That's what I'm saying. You know what's funny? The only one that's really proven on this entire thing is Solange. The only one I've seen hands work before on this list is Salon. The baby is crying me. The 12 from Chicago will be on perks.

Yo. This is just bad. 97 Mike Tyson Floyd Mayweather ain't gonna do shit He's a finesse fighter He's not doing 20 Florida men slash women Yeah because Floyd is a counter puncher

Yeah So that means the guerrilla He'll figure out how to capitalize On this fight and get out of Dodge Yeah yeah This will be promoted by Money Boy promotions And then it says insom Hednessy

And we bring home a Javanchi silverback fur coat Not even a tiny bit Fam I just Not even a tiny bit This is why you just got to love the social media because everybody that jumped in on this and had phone with this, if they were in an enclosed

fucking location with one gorilla, they would literally pass the fuck out. I'm talking about when you know the gorilla is faced like eye level, like not you're up above a pit looking down. No, you're in the pit with the gorilla. You're not doing nothing with that fucking gorilla, man.

I still think three years later, since we were the first people to have this conversation, my strategy after watching everyone's strategy this weekend, and I think still stands. They're ticklish. Who is going to... That's what you're trying to understand it.

Or sacrificing at least six of the guys from Chicago and the other six can tickle. Like while he's tearing apart everyone from O'Block, we can have somebody get behind him and tickle him. When you see the things... Somebody doesn't think they thumb up his ass. That's not enough. You think that's affecting a gorilla gorilla?

You're not listening to... He don't even know what his ass is. Y'all are not... Y'all are going to... die man y'all are gonna fucking die if he just sit back yo a gorilla

yo I would pay to see a hundred niggas fight a girl I would pay top dollar to see a hundred stupid niggins jump in the pit with a gorilla they would have to get on some that gorilla is going to take you niggas apart like Mr. Potato Head some Russell Chrome maxima shit but I mean he even had

weapons like he really that's what I said to be some strategy no weapons go back to our old clip I was like all right 10 of the time maybe there could be a shot. Fam, there's no shot, bro. No, the first 30 getting sacrificed. Like, those are they just know. Everybody's dying.

The only people that's going to survive is the people that were smarter to be like, yo, get me out of here. And that's after seeing 97, at least 90 people limbs ripped apart, blood everywhere, guts everywhere, and the gorilla just sitting there playing

putting makeup on his face with your blood. In my, I just don't know what to play. When I was reading like everyone, not even the jokes, like people that were serious. like trying to put strategies together. Like, all right. We'll take 20 just to get them down

and then two people get them in a headlock. I say, so y'all know where a gorilla's windpipe is? Nobody touch. Y'all are getting to a gorilla's windpipe. Well, I mean, if we organize a hundred niggas. He has a bulletproof vest on regularly. You not- There's nothing happening, man.

Demaris, if you could put a gorilla in a chokehold, your arm is breaking, not his neck. Yeah, it's not happening. Can y'all read, this tweet had me fucking crime. Bro, Twitter has had me in tears between sinners and this guerrilla shit. Twitter is back. Old Twitter is back. Lame-ass nigga got the ops tatted because he got a gorilla on his arm.

Yo, Twitter. Yo. Somebody said, now we down to 99 niggas because this nigga want a dick ride. I just don't get how people are really trying to break down how they can really do this. I hit Shaw Money and denounce my G-Unit affiliation. I can't rock with them anymore. Can't do no guerrilla unit. Fam, listen, let me tell you something.

Y'all go ahead and keep playing this 100 dudes versus a guerrilla shit if y'all want to. They're going to end up setting it up. You know what I just? Who? Joe was... Fam, let me tell you something. They need to go to an exhibit. Like, go to a zoo or somewhere where you can just see like a fake gorilla outside to like

and just stand next to it. You know what? Put your hand in the palm of a real gorilla hand and just rethink this thing again. See, I didn't like this because all the women. We're getting their Kiki laughs off, putting us in the field about the entire thing. Do a pop the balloon with a gorilla then. What, Rory? Yeah.

Let him walk in that room and pop the balloon. He won't care. What the fuck are you? Taring all them apart. Go disrespect him. What the fuck? You niggas never want to fight. No, fight.

No, I'm not fighting a gorilla. Like, fight. You see what I'm saying? You see how he running here a little scared because there's so many of them. Oh, you missed the ball when he came back. You missed the part when he came back. back, DeMaris.

He using other body parts to beat up other body parts. Yeah, he's going to kill you swinging somebody else at you. That's what you're not understanding. Like, y'all, y'all are crazy, man. And this is how sick Demaris is. Now she really not popping the balloon

after she saw this. She'd like him now. You, wow, that was, I don't know. Something about that felt racist. What do you think, Ma? Well, all right, see, if y'all is thinking of that, just because I'm wearing the shirt, I know it seemed crazier.

Yeah. But I don't think that way. You got to take the Doug Dynasty shirt off, bro. You gotta take that off. Who was it by? Who does I say? Oh, they were definitely racist there. Don't do that, man.

It probably was cool as shit. It probably was coolest. Oh, that was like the company. I thought, I thought you had, I liked some, you know, I was in the sun. The way you guys go out to the sun and wear less clothes, I have to put on, like, rubbery, long sleeves. You have to put on breathable fabric.

Yeah. No, I was head to toe in my garments to be out in that swamp. Got to be. But it is beautiful. And I feel like it's racist that DeMaris thought that that was racist. But that's another conversation. Yeah, you tried it. No.

It was way worse. With that said, do we have voice? You've got mail. Yo, what's up, Rory, Maude DeMars, the whole pod crew. My name is CJ. And I need some relationship advice. I need your perspective. So, you know, recently got engaged.

You know, me and my fiancee have been together for a little while now. I trust her completely. My only issue right now is when she goes home to our home state, we live away from our home state right now. She'll go home a couple times, you know, throughout the year by herself. And when she goes home, she hangs out with her single friends. And when they hang out, they go out to bars and all that, but also they're staying out super late.

So they'll stay out until 4, sometimes 5 a.m. And I feel like, especially now as a fianc, Like, there's certain boundaries and things you should do differently, especially around single friends. Like, you know, like, I'm sure there's guys around at the crib. They're hanging out, you know, late hours. So my question to you is, like, in a relationship, do you have any, like, set time? Like, you got curfew for your partner or you to be home by. Also, you know, would you address it in a certain way?

I know in New York, like, you can stay out hell of late. And maybe it's not that big of a deal, but I don't know. I feel away about it. Like, how should I approach it? Am I bugging? Should I just let her do her? I appreciate any advice. Thank you.

Shouldn't be engaged as somebody you think would be fucking somebody at some late hours. Like, quit. I like the voicemail. But come on. Like, what are we doing here? Is that your advice to me? Yo. You already know.

My advice is this is stupid. You don't trust. Like, why, why did you get? engaged to somebody that you would feel that the very few times that she goes up, very few, which I believe was quoted there, that she goes out, she stays out late with her friend. No, but I like the way he framed it. If you think your girl is going to fuck somebody, why just like, what are we doing? I don't think that's what he's, he's just saying.

What's wrong if your girl goes out until 6 a.m. every now and then we're her single friends. First of all. That doesn't mean that it's an orgy. First of all, first of all, ain't nothing outside till 6 a.m. but the devil and prostitutes. So you think his girl is is getting prostitutes. I don't know what it's girl. Or maybe they went to Wendy's and she passed out on her friend's couch. Fuck all that Wendy's shit.

Passed out on the bitch couch, woke up with egg yolk and her ass. I know how I go. What I'm saying is when you are engaged. Wait, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't skip past that. When you are engaged. They don't serve that at Wendy's. Listen. How did the oak getting her ass?

I'm talking about the lube, the lube in her butt. I'm talking about if you are engaged, there's no reason for you to be out till six in the morning. Why? Because what the fuck is open at six in the morning? What is going on at that? If she does this consistently, I'm with you. I'm with you at 4 a.m. First of all, my fiance ain't closing no club

down at 4 a.m. Let's get to that. That's number one. First of all. So what are you doing till 6 a.m. in the morning? Well, we're adding these numbers in. He said it's not New York, so we assume it probably closes at 2. It's probably like 2. Yeah. She probably get home. No, no, no. He said a specific time. He said 5. Yeah, but the club probably closes at 2 or 3.

I don't care. What time to club, though? Your girl not supposed to be in the streets till 5, 6 in the morning? her friends, her high school friends, she never really goes out like that. And they want to go to the club to 1, 2 a.m. And they go back to her home girl's house and just fucking kick it and eat. And she passed out. I don't care. And this is a regular thing where every fucking Saturday.

He said every time she goes home. But he said that's rarely. And rarely she goes by herself without him. If that happens a few times, like you really think she's doing something? You think she's trying to fuck old boy from freshman year? Listen, listen, listen. They ain't got nothing to do with that because women could fuck in the daytime too. I was just about to say, if she's just about to say,

If she fucking is during the daytime and they'd have at 5 a.m. when she drunk what else over here. I'm just saying it's a respect thing. Because if he was walking in the crib at 5, 6 in the morning, she would have a problem with that. We don't know that. Come on, man. Cut the shit.

Women have a problem. You walk in the house. You get off at 5. You need to be home at 503. What kind of women are you dating? Women in America. American women. It's who I'm dating.

Yes. If you have a... Revolution will be televised. If you have a... If you have a time that you get off work... If you have a time, if you get up for work at five and you ain't home by eight and you didn't tell your spouse like, y'all got plans I'm stopping. We just talking about 8 to 8 p.m.

And you ain't home. Your phone is ringing. You're, you're proving my point more of, like, if this is a consistent thing or some weird shit, if she once or twice a year goes back home without you and hangs out with her high school friends, whatever the fuck, and they go out, why would you think your girl doing that if she's consistently trustworthy the entire time? No, but he said, He said, you caught her talking to somebody from back that, like, yeah, then there's some different factors in there.

Yeah, but you're missing what he's saying. He's just saying to be out that late. He's like, yo, like. Define out. Not in your bed. Is this his daughter? It's his girl. Like, what you?

It's his fiance. He's just like, yo, it's 6 a.m. Why are you not in the house? In bed? If she is in bed with her best friend from fucking, because she's, talking back home from this big. Yeah, go ahead. Sleep with your fucking home girl in her bed.

I don't care. The fuck? So nice to make. And you also are like, they don't live there. So where's you supposed to stay? That shit sounds good coming from him. That sound good. He ain't going.

He ain't going like, he ain't going to be cool. I'd be happy when his bitch leave him alone. Matter of fact, you stay the week. All right, but if she's going there, she's probably either staying with her parents or family or staying with her friends. Like, so what's the big, if she out till 6 a.m.

and the clubs close at one, what the fuck is you doing? If you out champing Black and Miles and going nuts, then I'm going to wonder what's going on. But if you back with your friends and you left the club at one and y'all are just at the crib, being drunk, stupid, and laughing and like,

pass out, I don't give a fuck. I'm going to sleep. You think I'm waiting up at 6 a.m. If you think you're, girl's cheating that's a different thing but if you trust your girl he just he just pardon right now that's all he don't believe that no I'm not I'm telling you exactly no I believe mom all they let his bitch stay out past one six and a yeah I don't do that because I'm not that guy but till 6 a.m. you bugging the fuck out

because we could both play the 6 a.m. game and I promise you I'm a vet. Ma I'm not mom I'm not gonna do from 8 p.m. to 6 a.m. I'm a legend. Maura. I'm a more. I'm not. I'll be I'll be I'll be I'll be listen I'll be in Sometimes you just go to Dairy Queen with your friends and go to fuck to sleep. No, you don't. That's gay shit. You go, I being motherfucking,

I could go from Beverly Hills to Tarzana back. I could do a bunch of shit from APN. This sounds like some fucking hometown. Hold on. Middle America shit. Yeah, that's where the niggas is at. Mag. But this is the thing of Ma.

You threatened by them? No offense. I'm threatened by any nigga that my girl is out till 6 a.m. And they single for a reason. Oh, that's such bullshit. And you acting like every single chick is fucking, like.

That's such bullshit. I'm not saying every chick is fucking. I'm just saying, niggas, chicks get fucked. That's what I'm saying. I'm not disagreeing there. I'm not saying every chick is fucking. I would never speak for every girl.

No, I've had sex before. I know. I would never speak for every woman, but women be out here fucking. No, I'm aware that women are fucked. All right, so let's, let's,

that's stand. We've had sex. Now what I'm saying is, if your girl is out till 6 a.m., I just want to know what you're doing until 6 a.m. Well, I can chime in. This is, you know, as the woman in the role, I'll be a lot.

I can chime. man, as the woman who is from a small town and who goes home and often don't be getting home to like 4 a.m. When you're with your home girls and you're like, she'll be her hometown, she probably running around in jeans and sneakers, probably pissy drunk because she knows she feels safe. She's around a bunch of people she knows she's having fun. They're probably doing dumb shit waiting in the fucking McDonald's line drunk twerking out the fucking window trying to get cold ass McDonald's. My fiance don't need to be doing that. Why? My fiance don't need to be out once or twice a year, like, twerking in McDonald's.

If she does that every Saturday, then we have a conversation. But like, though, she can't have one fucking night with her friends from back home. Of course she can. Also, your fiance will probably be a different age than his fiance. He sounds a little younger than you. So his fiance is probably in her 20s, maybe early 30s. Like if she's out, goes home every once in a while, once or twice a year and gets super drunk with her friends having fun, that's what girls do. Yeah.

I'm not saying, I'm not saying she can't hang out with her girls and get drunk at. fun. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying, he's saying that this is something that seems to be happening every time she goes home. So there's a pattern here. Not a lot. It's a few times. What are y'all doing till six in the morning every time you go back home? Why is it you out till six in the morning every time you go back home? I know you're iller than us and like any chick that sees you like she fucking. But like not every girl just goes out and just like fucks a dude. Like sometimes girls just go out and like just like just like. Why you keep saying fucking? I've never said she was anybody. I never said

it's recorded. I said she fucked somebody? No, he said you said women be fucking now. Yeah. Because women be fucking. What the fuck are we talking about in here? Yeah, small. Like some women really just go out and go out and get fucked and go back home. So why am I assuming that my fiance that doesn't do that often is now doing?

Do you think that that's what his fiancee is doing? I think that he feels like something is going on. I'm not saying he feels like his fiance is fucking, but he called here. He called me. He called Josh, stop giggling. He called me and asked the question. So let me give him some advice.

Clearly there's some concern here because he did call. Clearly some concern. This shit came on my desk. I think, well, his call. Like, y'all ain't like, I'm just. You put these papers in here. He sent the facts. His call is, do you think it's inappropriate?

His call was never that he thinks something's going on. That's why I never said that. That's why I never said. Do you think it's inappropriate for a woman in a relationship to be doing? Yes, it is. It's inappropriate for a woman in a relationship up to be out to six and a one. If it happens more than three times a year, more than twice a year, I think that it's, I'll say three times. I think that it's inappropriate. If she's coming home

past three, four o'clock more than three times a year, I think that it might be inappropriate because that shows a pattern. But if it happens every once in a while while she's with her girls, you know what she's doing. You got the location. I don't know what she's calling you. I'm so, you don't know. He probably knows what his, what his shit doing. He called here because he don't know what his girl is doing. That's not what he did. He never said he didn't know what she was doing. He just said that she was out late. For example, Alex, y'all know Alex.

Y'all have met my best friend Alex. Alex is in a loving, healthy relationship. I had Alex at Sahara East till 4 o'clock in the morning. And her man don't like you. No, he loves me because he knows, he has her location. He sees she has Sahara. Now, usually we leave Sahara about 12 o'clock, right? We're never at Sahara until 4.

But it was just one of them nights. We was just chilling. Like we didn't pay attention to how far along the time was. So at 4, he texted. was like, all right, it's time for you to get your ass home. She did not get in trouble. He was not mad. It was nothing like that.

We're adults, but I'm just saying like. It was just like, okay, girl, it's time for you to come home. But he knows what she was doing. Where is she at who she's with? Because that's the safety issue. That's the first thing I thought. Your girl out till 6 a.m., where is she at? Do you have her location?

Yeah, because it's not so much about the girl. I don't know who you with. I don't know who they, who they invited. So I don't know who's around. Like, if it was guys around. I don't know. He never said. I can't vouch for them.

You're getting engaged. He said it's probably guys around. He said that. If you're getting engaged, you at least have a pretty good grasp on her friend group and which friends are which. I'll even speak to when I was engaged. You're saying three times a year is crazy. If we're in New York City, if you stay out until 5 a.m. three times, I don't think that's crazy. That ain't shit in New York.

Same as with Noel. I know she, yeah, I don't want to get into Uber with some creepy fucking guy or get on the train. Go fucking crash there. Y'all going to the bar till 2 a.m. then going to her crib in Brooklyn, stay there. Like, what the fuck? Oh, I didn't even tell y'all what Rory had me. Like, I don't think that's crazy at all.

I didn't even tell y'all how Rory had me out till 4 o'clock in the morning. You know what? Never mind. No, recently, but we ain't even going to talk about it. I completely forgot about that to tell them all. Completely forgot. Rory had me in a rapper's section at Starlets at 4 o'clock in the motherfucking morning. Oh, man, nasty times.

Who? Who didn't want to do it? You single, though, so that's cool. I didn't want to do it. You fucking convinced me. didn't want to do it. I didn't want to do it. I was about to go home, but you are my ride to Jersey. Roy, don't fucking lie.

I did not want to do that shit. No, Rory lying. He'd be one to go sit with rappers and stalets. I didn't even know that. I didn't even say a word. I didn't know who the rapper was. So y'all was in a rapper section and neither one of y'all knew the rap was. I knew the rapper. I don't know. Justice. Like, I was with Justice.

Shout out to Justin. Just ain't no rapper? No. No, but like, they signed Gucci Gang, whatever, like that whole shit. Oh. I don't, you think I wanted to go there because of him. Oh, but if you were Justice. And Amber.

That's different. Justice is, that's family. Yeah. That's different. I thought you were saying like, y'all just went to some rapist section. No. No. No.

No. Just drove in my car. Okay. So, yeah. That's cool. 4 a.m. No. This, my second 4 a.m.

Night were already. All right. All right. So now if you had a boyfriend, do you think he would have had a problem with that? Yes, because of where I was. Because of where I was. Okay. So now we're getting somewhere.

We don't know where his fiancee was at. That's because you're gay. I guarantee you his fiance was not in a rapper's section at Starlets. You want to cuss me out because at 4 a.m. My fiance would have been mad because you know you would have fuck one of the strippers. But what if he was with, what if his fiancee was with one of her girls that be with rappers in their sections until six in the morning? If he, if it was that, he would have said that. I fully believe he would have said that.

I don't think it's that. I don't think it's that. He don't trust one of them friends. He knows something about one of them friends. That might be. See, I'm not fighting. with that. Yeah. He knows something about one of them girls. He's accepted that his girl has a

past and they did some missions and she still be around him. One of them girls probably licked her pussy before like when they was in high school college. You know it would be that type of shit. You know y'all be looking at each other pussy sometimes. Y'all be looking each other pussy on the friendly head tip. Like I'm going to give a friendly little lick. And I'll be into that. Girls

do that. We don't never talk about that, DeMaris. Why are you talking to me? No, I'm just saying it's women. We don't never talk about the women that like had a gay experience It's like one time with their best friend, like in high school or college. But what does that have to do with anything, though? Because he probably know about it. Okay, but that.

So he over there think his girl getting licked like a motherfucking stamp until six in the morning. Just send me the video. Yeah, just because it ain't a guy. I don't mean a girl. She ain't nobody having a gay experience. Yeah. Please I'm calling it a gay experience. I'm just saying, because if my girl tell me, yo, in college and college one night,

me and my home girl went out. And, you know, girls go to the bathroom together. And she came in the store with me. And I was using the bathroom. and then she basically forced, like she forced herself down on me, like lick me a little bit. I don't want my fiance

spending the night at that girl out now just because we adults now. I'll never forget, you ate my girl out, my nigga, like, no, we ain't doing that. Complete side. She can come to the birthday dinner. No, fuck.

No, she can come to the birthday dinner, but you're not, every time you go home, you're not just staying out of grip. We're not sharing a glass. Yeah, she want to fuck you. Like, just because she ain't a man don't want to me, she don't want to fuck you.

Yeah, she wants just because it's gay. That's what I'm like, yo, go ahead, go over there. and just let y'all bump pussies all night? Nah, fam. We've had this debate before. That bothers you. That doesn't bother me.

What? The bumping of the pussy. Yeah, just send me the video. Nah, you tripping. Not letting my girl eat my girl out. We need to get rid of this New York arrogance that we have because at one of the spots in New Orleans, they was bumping pussies in the bathroom,

and I got, like, nervous. I thought New York we have seen everything. They just fucking each other in bathrooms, like, in New Orleans. So you got nervous of that, but you fooled your girl getting lit? Absolutely. he's crazy why am i crazy he was scared of the bathroom two random wasn't my girl exactly i had to pee bumping pussies he's scared of that but he would he cool with his girl getting licked it wasn't my girl bumping pussies in the bathroom

so you would have been okay with that in the bathroom no oh go back to the hotel yeah production production the house like you know the germs that are on this fucking sink germaphobe my bad production has you got your wide an open wound because the vagina at the end of the day is an open wound you bumping pussies on like it's not an open wound it's a open wound it's a entry to your body it's the entry to where life comes back out so don't put that nasty ass

fucking backbar germs and rub it together that's all okay but if you do send the video production has just informed me that the caller has an EDU email and production is assuming that they're probably young and fresh out of college Oh, I mean, you shouldn't got engaged.

I'm telling him, man. He knows something about his girl's friends, man. No, he don't know anything yet because he got engaged with an EDU email. He knows. He knows something. He didn't give us all the info, but he knows something. But some men also, I feel like, I feel like sometimes there's a certain, there's a spoken rule of your girl shouldn't do this, your girl shouldn't do that, your girl shouldn't do that.

Your girl shouldn't do that. So I think he was mainly calling to say, I don't think that anything is going on, but just is this appropriate. right because you cannot think your girl's cheating on you and just think that some things are inappropriate and i think that's what he was calling for like yo because if you say to somebody yeah my fiance was out till 5 a.m they're like uh-uh what the fuck she doing but in reality what's what's really going on is nothing wrong but just by standards that sounds crazy it sounds crazy that your fiance is out till 5 a but anytime i've ever been out till 5 a.m i was like if i'm doing some shit i have no business doing whether i'm in a relationship or single it ain't happening at 5 a.m if i'm still out at

At 5 a.m., like, I'm out with my friends. Usually in the McDonald's line, trying to get a smoothie in nuggets and twerking out the sunroof drunk. That's usually what's happening at 5 a.m. with women. Just be honest. Or at 5 a.m. With you? Don't say with women. You. That's what you doing at 5.

Don't point at me like that. Because I've known what some women have been doing at 5 a.m. because I was doing it with them. Oh, my bad. Shit. Exactly. My bad. Yeah. I just... My bad. You know when I was junk, like 5 a.m. 6 a.m. Who's fucking at that time?

You're fucking. See, you never fucked that five man? He definitely fucked that five. All right then. So that's who's fucking you. But I will say anytime it's been club related or going out, that's why I preferred every city but New York. The shit ends at 2 o'clock.

If we shutting down a spot at 4 a.m. and then we grabbing food, the sun coming up, I'm going to fuck to sleep. Even when I'm 23 years old. I'm going to sleep, dog. You're going to fuck for five minutes. If you're going to sleep, if you're going to sleep is because... If you're going to sleep is because...

I'm going to fuck for five minutes and roll up to go to sleep. It's not even work. If you're going to sleep after being out all night with a girl, it's because she shut the fact down and I'm not fucking you tonight. But you ain't tell her to go home. You're trying to fuck. Yeah, you're trying to fuck. Yeah, I'm not saying I had a conscious brain.

There you go. That's what I'm saying. Somebody trying to fuck your girl at five, six in the morning. There's going to be somebody trying to fuck your girl for the rest of her life. Then that's why you need to have your ass in the house. That means you should trust her. Because niggas be drunker and hornyer as the night goes. All right.

So the guy handed her her fucking McNugger. That's what you pressed about. No offense. If your girl would cheat on you at 5 a.m., she would cheat on you at 12 o'clock in the afternoon. Just because she's in line for that. As long as you have her location, it doesn't happen often.

And y'all are still like semi-young. Y'all don't have any kids. Why are you on this location shit? What you mean? Because as long as you have a location. I know a girl that her man got her location and she fucking wherever she at. Oh no.

So why y'all so why y'all hang in this at? He has the young map of everything. Yeah, like why are hanging your head? on as long as you got the location I'm not saying they will fuck right where that dot is at. And also remember I came on here when was that serious and I found out that the girls be putting

their location on their laptop or iPad that they leave in the crib and off their phone. So they'll keep their eye message on their laptop as long as you got the location looks like it's there. So yeah that location shit that means nothing. That means nothing to me either.

Okay. My point is if she isn't fucking, if you trust that she isn't fucking like you know for a fact she isn't fucking. My point is do you have her location for safety reasons? Because what I'm assuming, again, is he's just thinking that this is inappropriate. I don't think that she's my fiance. I need to know what she's at all the time. Exactly.

So you know where she's at due to safety reasons. That's why I think it's important to have the location, not because it's stopping her from fucking. Okay. Not because it was just sounding like y'all was Paul laying that together. No, that's not you got the location. She ain't doing nothing? No, you can.

That's what it's what it read like it read like you was trying to say, yo, he got her location. Like she didn't like for safety Okay Anytime I fucked it's been at a location Every time I fucked It's been a location I was somewhere I could have been located

It was a location I'm glad they didn't hit that door It wasn't in the matrix And I was at a location Just lock the door That's why you gotta get a hotel That's next to the Waffle House A win is a win

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Domestic abuse allegations are too far in a battle, especially if they're unproven. Do I think domestic abuse allegations in a battle are too far? Unproven. Unproven? Unproven? Yes. I think everyone can say proven domestic violence is fair in a battle. Maybe, yeah, I guess.

I think that anything you start talking about, you know, when you start talking about somebody's family and things like that, maybe a line that may be too far. but then again, this is rap hip-hop, but I don't think that there's any line as far as calling somebody a pedophile. I think that's the worst thing you can put on anybody's job. And we're going to get to that.

We'll get to that. Pat, do you think that domestic violence allegations are okay in a rap battle? It's nuance. Define nuance in this situation. It depends on what the line is and what the rules of engagement are. Drake, I think directly said

that Kendrick had beat his girl. then to me then was it warranted um i don't know because i don't know yeah do you think you think unproven domestic violence is okay to put in a bad i think anything is okay as long as both parties are cool with what the outcome like you know how like the buying you like let's meet up and die yeah if both you are cool with dying i'm sorry no i'm just saying like no i get your point i actually too get you if me and you are okay with dying then nothing's off the table so good you know what i'm saying It's only a problem if one party disagrees to the terms.

Okay. With that said, do you think Drake is a pedophile? Do I think he's a what? Do you think Drake is a pedophile? By definition? No. Okay. By what?

So not by definition, but by what? Because it sounds like you think he's a pedophile by something up. That's not what I said. I said it sounds like that's what you said. I don't take credit for anything I don't say. Okay. So you don't think Drake is a pedophile by the definition of a pedophile? by the definition of a pedophile.

Correct. Okay. Okay. I hate, this is just going to demonetize us immediately. And it's going to make my algorithms crazy. The definition of pedophile is sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object. I'm going to close my laptop and hope the fence don't rate here.

And the defined and the definitive definition of a child is what? All right. See, don't whack 100 me where you know the age of consent in every. state. Okay, fine. I think I'm, I think below, the layman answer. And we also know as like moral fiber what a kid is and what a kid is. The layman answer or is no. Okay. Okay. And I believe you did answer it in if everyone's ready to die, everything's off the table. But you think pedophilia is okay to be brought up in a battle. I think once, if I do discuss with you, hey, let's, this is a line. my earlobes are off limits and I violate the sanctity of that let's meet up and die.

Okay. More? I'm mad at that. Do you know, any thoughts? On what? He just said? Mm-hmm. I mean, you know, that's fair.

If he feels like, you know, again, if there was a conversation and, you know, certain things were deemed off limits, if somebody violates, you know, the terms of the conversation, I think all bets are off. There's no rules of engagement. Everything is, you know, fair game. I just think, you know, just where you're, I think your moral compass kicks in at some point. And it's just certain things, I just, certain energies I just wouldn't invite into, you know, my music and things like that. And I just think, you know, just that word is something that I just would never throw around unless it was absolutely definitively true.

Like, then go-hoo. But if not, I don't think you play with that word at all. I think that's the difference, though. What? The nuance of, the nuance of, I want to say, like, cultural prowess, right? Like, people who don't understand certain things. Here's my thing, head, not to cut you off. If Kendrick, again, I've never had a conversation with Kendrick about any of this shit,

but if he feels like Drake is indeed a pedophile, how long did he feel like that? How long did he, you know, think Drake was a pedophile? And why has he done music with somebody he thinks is a pedophile? No, I'm not saying, I'm not telling you to answer it. I would just say to me, it's just like if we know, you know, we come from a certain area. We see, you know, he's a, we don't even play with that word. Because where we from, we know what happens to those type of people. We see people creating content online or meeting up with people that's trying to meet up with kids and have sex, beat them.

up, you know, whatever. So in this battle to introduce that energy against someone that you don't know if it's facts or not, you may just feel like it is for whatever reasons, whatever conversations you're privy to. My thing is, how long did you feel like that? I get what you say. You know what I mean? But let me ask Marl a question.

Yeah. Maul is beefing with Joe Budden. What's off limits? What's off limits? What's off limits? Nothing is off limits. Nothing is off limit. Yeah.

So let's meet up and die. Yeah. Okay. So by that standard, then, you can't say, well, that goes against my moral compass and all, like, you just said nothing is off limit. Right. So that's what that. You're right. And I understand that.

But when it comes to that and we both have children, right. So we can at one point in our lives We're ready to die and crash out We'll burn all this shit down But now when we're fathers And we have children We don't think the same anymore We don't speak the same anymore

We look at life totally different We're more, you know We're different versions of what we used to be Because again you have children And you understand how sacred that is And you know how precious children are So yeah we could be in this situation where we're ready to go all out.

But at some point, you got to be like, nah, I ain't doing that though. You just brought up kids. Who brought the kids up first? No, I understand what you're saying in the timeline of things. I understand what you're saying. So then you don't get the right

to dictate anything beyond that point. I'm not trying to dictate shit. I'm just saying at some point, you have to say, all right, what I'm saying is the worst thing you can say about somebody that better be a fact because once you do that

once you label somebody that again we somebody called somebody a rat we know what can happen what can happen you just call somebody a snitch coming from Carson coming from New York

we know what can happen a pedophile is worse than all of that shit okay so when you label a man that I would just think that you would have to be a thousand percent

correcting what you're saying and have facts on that before you throw it out there. And I do understand there's no rules once you say, oh, you know, my manager might be my kid's father. Cool.

Disrespectful. No, no, no, not disrespectful. Again, you're trying to mitigate how one perceives the disrespect. You don't have the privilege of doing that. If I tell somebody, if I walk outside right now and I tell somebody SMD, I have to be ready for whatever.

I can't be like, oh, I got a kid and you got a kid. Let's think about it. Oh, no, Drake was ready for the, obviously, he's the one that said. So then at that point, there's no more discussion. Let's meet up and die. I get that. But here's the problem is now, the problem is now when this is a record that you are like grandstanding. And this is a message that you are displaying to the world.

Like, you know what I mean? Like you got your Super Bowl show and you got the Amazon show. you're doing stadiums and things like that. And this is the record that is like, you know, that's weird to me. It's like, okay. I just made a bad record than you. If that's the line you want to stand on, cool. I'm not, listen, it's a battle.

We pick sides who you think won, who you think lost. Great. I'm just saying now that all of that is kind of like over. Well, you know. Would you feel the same way if Family Matters became what not like us is? About the line of Dave Free being. He performing at the Super Bowl, claiming that. My kids ain't mine.

His kids ain't his. But I've said that. I've said, I was like, yo, he better have some information we don't have because that's crazy to put on someone on someone. That's not what I ask you. What I ask you is, do you feel the same way if family matters becomes what now like us is? Yeah. Okay.

Absolutely. All right. No, my moral compass is set to where it's set to. It's certain things to me that I'm just like, all right, like you're going to say that. You got to stand on that. So you being from where you're from and me being from where I'm from, we have a certain level of, I call it texture, which I don't necessarily know how to describe it. You can tell when somebody is not authentically of that texture.

Of what texture? You come from a certain environment where you operate in a certain space, code of conduct. For instance, and I've spoken as like, that's why I don't, that's why I conduct myself a certain way. I can't get on the internet, on the radio, on television, and just crash out. I can't say what I want. That's another gripe I have. we can get to that later, but I can't just say whatever I want because I have people that,

if certain people call my phone, I have to answer the phone. Like, there's no, there's no, like I have checks and balances because I don't get the freedom to just say whatever the fuck I want to say because I represent too many or certain places and people and individuals who look to me as a representation of them. It's not just about me. And so that's a different level love of respect. Tenfold, there's another thing called, and this is why, I mean, I'm not going to, I'm not going to pick on y'all, but there's two things which I talked to Elliott about before. One is called journalistic integrity. I'm a professional broadcast. I come from professional broadcasting, right? So we have to learn journalistic integrity, like, Rory made, I know he was

joking, but like, yo, we don't fact check here. That brings up the second point of contention, which is called libel, which I'm pretty sure, like, Benner is familiar with it or whatever. libel is when you say or do things that are false or disinformation misinformation that can lead to you being sued tasha k right so i conduct myself in a manner in which i always have those three things in the back of my mind at all times i don't get the luxury of just freestyle and speech and shit like that so that being said when you look at like your moral compass is set a certain way mine is set a certain way you can look at certain individuals and how they move through the out the game. It doesn't even have to be, Drake. It could be other media personalities or streamers or writers or whatever. You can tell who never had to go to the park or never had to catch the frame or never had to answer their phone. Absolutely. You can tell those individuals, right? That's a fact. So you can't be like, say, you can't make an accusation like Rory Fothered Mall's kids. And just because my record wasn't bigger than yours, be like, well, you can't say that about me

on your record. No, we're, we meet up and we're meeting up and we're dying. He didn't say, he didn't say he followed this kid he said i heard he might i understand that but the insinuation so yeah but you know the difference though as a as a journalist you understand i'm not a journalist okay as a as a broadcaster you but you you had to under you had to learn certain things about what you say yeah so if i say i heard that it might be it's a totally different thing so when did he call him that he call him a pdf okay say drake i heard you like him young you better not ever go to sell block one Mm-hmm. Fast forward.

Certified Love a Boy, Certified Pedophiles. Yeah, there's a comma there. Certified Love A Boy, Certified Pedophiles. Who is he talking to? You tell me. Is he talking to the certified lover boy? You tell me. Okay.

I'm asking you because this is your record. I was just in my record. You played this at every party. Not every party. I did a corporate event. I didn't play that. Why not? Because they wanted like 80, 90s,

R&B. Oh, but if it wasn't, if it wasn't, you would play it. It's in your set. I don't have a set. I read the crowd. I'm not lying to you. I've never prepared a set in 20 years. I cry,

that's why radio is so hard for me because I can't see people. If you have five parties in the week, I'm going to play the record. How many of them parties, but you play that right? It depends on the crowd. That's what I'm telling you.

I'm reading the crowd. If the energy calls for it, then that's, I'm not one of them DJs will make it about me. It's not what I want to hear. It's whatever the crowd is. Okay. How many times are you,

play Family Matters? Where? At a party? Probably once. Okay. Maybe. Do you think it's a party record? No, that's my point. I don't think Drake was trying to make party records in this movie. Family Matters drops the exact same day. Maul, you posted a red button as well as Drake on his story. Maw, do you think the Dave Free Bar was the nuke that Drake thought it was? No. I don't think that Drake thought that was a new, that bar. He had set on Red Button on the Scary Hours, Deluxe, for all the dogs that he could hit the Red Button,

everyone's going to heaven. So we were all anticipating that this red button was going to be something that was going to blow all of our fucking minds. Do you think that that red button was as effective as Drake may have thought it was? No, I think you were just attaching that red button to anything. at this point. But I think that,

because for all the dogs came out way before any of us even transpired. I don't think that the day free bar was a was a bar

that Drake was like hanging on. Like, oh, this is going to be the one that. I don't think it was that. But if you go back and listen to family matters,

I think that to this day, I still believe that that's a better record than not like us. I believe he rapped better or not like us. I believe the production is better than not like us. I think Drake's, the only thing I would have done differently, looking back,

I would have cut that brick in three. I wouldn't have released all three of the beat changes at once. I would have released the first one, ended with the gunshots, wait to see what Kendrick does if he takes too long, maybe release the second one. I would have done that. But if we go back now that it's all said and done and just listen to bars, And I've spoken to, I've spoken to a lot of rappers and artists that make music at a high level.

And without even bringing it up, they say like, Drake may have, in the perception of people may have lost the strategy game. But as far as the better bars and music, not like us is not better than family matters. Head, would you agree with that? He's from Carson. He can't disagree with it. Or I just go outside. Okay, well, since this was going to be a post-battle question, but let's ask it now since Moll did bring it up.

Who outwrapped who? Not who out-impact who. Who had the better strategy? Who had the better bars in this entire battle? I stay on my side of the line of scrimmage. He got to. He got a check from the pop-off show. I don't have to.

Yes, you do. You can't go against that. I can do whatever one to do. No, you can't go against Kendrick. You can't do that. And I'm not mad at you. I fuck with you. I'm not mad at you.

But you can't sit there and objectively say, nah, I don't think that, you know. I would. If that's what I thought. Drake outwrapped him. And I'm talking about, fuck me saying it. Some of the rappers that you've played their records and respect, I've had conversations with them.

They're like, yo, Kendrick may have got the strategy and the perception of him dropping right after family matters and all of that. Cool. But if you just go and listen to bars as an emcee and as a rapper, there's no way you think Kendrick. I don't even think Kendrick was trying to really rap or not like us. I think it was a song. He was trying to get people to dance.

He needed to galvanize the West Coast, get the whole California behind this song. This is like our new anthem, which is, I'm not mad at that strategy. But we're not going to say he rap better than Drake on Not Like Us versus Family Matters. No fucking way. Okay. So, Maul, bringing that. up when you're referencing that and everybody else that you're referring to are you talking about

just not like us versus family matters are you talking about kendrick versus drake in the entirety of all of these songs because also at this point family matters was really against meet the grams in that situation i think family matters in heart part six drake is rapping better than anything kendrick put out during that moment just rapping absolutely i aspire to have this level of he's still on impact of a song he's talking about a song i'm talking about bars I'm talking about lyrics. I'm talking about rhyme. I'm talking about rap.

Not like us, the production is not even dope. Okay, so, Maul, you keep bringing up Not Like Us Head. Do you think that Not Like Us is Kendrick's best rap song in all of this battle? Which one would you pick out of all of them? Euphoria. Okay. I don't even remember that song. It's probably a lot of bars too confusing.

No, it's just like when you open a bag of chips, it's a lot of the air at the top and it's a few chips in there. But we ain't going to go back to that. Ed, you being the Coast Guard and having some relationship with everybody in that camp and around that camp, what was everyone's reaction to the Dave Freebar? Comedy. It was just, it was like, that's, that's, that's, that's the, that's the, that's the, well, actually it was two, there was two reactions. One from the musical, from the front facing standpoint, like that we all had internally was like, That's why would that's that's not even a good attempt like that's a sorry that's like a lazy attempt at something And then the second thing was from the homies

What about Kendrick saying you have a daughter? Yeah, that wasn't a lazy attempt? What about it? That wasn't a lazy attempt from Kendrick saying that Drake has a daughter that he's hiding? I don't know. Do we have one? You don't know that that was a lazy attempt? I'm asking you do you think that was a lazy attempt? No.

You don't? Mm-mm. Why? Um, and do you think Drake is hiding a daughter? Hiding is a verb. Okay, do you think Drake has a daughter? You are hiding your opinions, sir. Yeah, do you think Greg has a daughter?

Um, I think it's possible. Okay. You think it's possible that you think that Drake has a daughter? Or do you think it's possible Drake has a daughter? I think it's possible he has one. Okay. I mean, I don't particularly care to get into Kendrick's personal life with his, girl, kids, and his business partner.

But do you see Mall's point in some degree that saying Dave Free might be your son's father? I agree is lazy, and I thought if that was the nuke, that's odd. No one's really going to believe that. Even if for some weird reason it was true,

the daughter thing, is that not lazy? Because Push already did it, and we saw what that did, and you're supposed to be light gears ahead of any rapper right now, and you're reusing the same stretch. of something that can't be proven, whereas push did it, and it was proven. No, I get that point, but you also have to understand, like, the way I'm looking at it, and this is, I mean, you're not going to believe me, but objectively looking at it, it's a Floyd

Mayweather thing. Like, Dodd has been counterpunching the whole time. He's not, he's not aggressed. The only time he aggressed is once it was already fully on. You know what I'm saying? So if you think about it. Like that he aggressed. Who you talking about?

If you think about it, when you say, like the Dave Free thing came first and family matters. Correct, yeah. And then there was a response. And then the other thing came. It wasn't like, it's like, oh, okay, boom, boom. It was like a one for one to me. Okay, so you are, and I'm asking,

because we think that the Dave Free line was a lie, that gave Kendrick also a green light to lie about the daughter, hypothetically, because we do not know these people and their personal lives like that. Oh, yeah, I mean, sure. So it doesn't, you don't get a point taken away if you do a whole third verse about something that's completely unproven and possibly fed as information to you to give you the okie-doke. Well, no, even, okay, let's do it this way. Let's take it out.

Let's take the whole verse out. Okay. There's a record still. I love the record. I love the record. I don't see. I don't, I don't, which record is this? Meet the Graham.

I don't like the record. Okay. At all on no level. I've listened to it a total of maybe five. five times. And I told him that. I don't like the record. What don't you like about it? It's too fucking, it's dark. And I don't, it makes, it makes me uncomfortable. I'm like, I'm a jovial, like, I'm a nerd and I'm like cerebral, but I'm a jovial individual. I have good positive frequencies. I don't like that shit. I don't like the depth and dark, like,

shit. That ain't my, that ain't my, that ain't my bag. So I told him that. That's one of my, that's like my least favorite record out of everything. Maul, do you think meet the grams, even based off your opinion of the record, because even Head said he doesn't really like it like that, do you feel like it was effective off Drake's probably best record in this entire beef? No. Why?

I mean, people don't even really talk about Meet the Grams. It's not even a song that people... I think, like Head said, I think most people kind of forget that record. Like, we get it, he dropped it right after, you know, and the timing of it when he dropped it was like, oh, shit. You know, everybody was running back and forth. to YouTube.

Kendrick just dropped in this, whatever. But I think when you go back and listen to it, it's probably the least favorite from most people. Fair. But do you think if Family Matters, being the disc record that it is, had more time to breathe, it would have been more effective in this battle,

whereas Meet the Grams to Not Like Us Back to Back, after, I think, Drake's best disc record ever. Family Matters? Yes. Mm-hmm. Do you think that that was an effective step on when it came to Drake's best effort. No, I mean, no matter what Kendrick said or put out,

I thought the timing of it was dope. It's kind of like, you know, head of you DJing and somebody bump your table and fuck up your needle, and the record jump, the energy is completely different in the room at the party. So I think that's what Kendrick did. He bumped the needle, the record jumped, and it was kind of like, okay, people were kind of like, you know.

But not only the record jumped, my record comes on. So I thought the time, and I thought the strategy of what Kendrick did to me was dope. Like, okay, I get it. But again, I'm going back just as a music head as a consumer of hip hop and listening to bars and raps. And once I listen to that, I don't care when the record dropped, how it dropped. In the moment, I understand, you know, the impact of that. But now that I'm just listening to bars and, and, and, and, and, and, nobody can convince me that Drake got outwrapped in this thing.

Like, there's no fucking way he got outwrap. Now, I understand what the optics of the record is and it being big and everything that Kendrick got off of that, the Amazon show and Super Bowl halftime and things like that. I understand that part of it. And like had said earlier, optics is a big part of it and perception is a big part of it. Again, I'm just a consumer of hip hop and rap and listening to music. And in me listening to it, there's nobody that can convince me that Drake had the worst bars in this whole thing. Okay. A win is a win.

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And just when I said that, my mom comes out of the kitchen. She says, I have some cookies and milk. This is this badass convict. Right. Just finished five years. I'm going to have cookies and milk. Yeah, mom. Yeah.

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Because I think that that was obviously in a battle, you know what people are going to try to weaponize against you and say about you. You know, so you take that and you say, go ahead. I know I don't have no skeletons in my closet. Like, I know the type of things that you're going to try to say about me. So go ahead. Say it. Like, yeah, get it off. Say it.

Now, what I think the issue came in. I think what the label did with the record and publishing it and, you know, getting behind it, putting money behind it. I think that's where the problem came in for, I don't think it was the fact that Kendrick said it. I think it was the fact that once Drake realized like, oh, this is a play. Like, okay. Like, and obviously, you know, we're not in. but he's in negotiations currently with the same label. He probably asked for a number that not many artists have ever been in a position to even

attempt to ask for. So he understood the deeper thing. Like, okay, this is to try to devalue me at a time where y'all know the business that we're sitting around handling or discussing. Kendrick is a new guy on the block with PG Lang. Y'all are now behind that. Okay, cool. There's no problem there.

But I see what's happening now. And I think that's where Drake felt like he didn't lose the battle. He walked, the battle lost him. He stepped away from like, oh, this is a play. Y'all are trying to get, you know, some, some data and some numbers behind this thing. Like, okay, I get it. Like, I'm done. Okay, Ma.

And we'll come back to that when we get to not like us. Hadd did you want to respond to that? Do you think that it was a mistake that he did that? I don't think, I mean, I think everything he did with Taylor made was a mistake. How so? I wouldn't I understand the like the whole like an eight mile approach to shit but that's also a rap nerds pipe dream that's not reality like you don't you don't go into a fight I would like that to me that tells me that you've never been outside like I'm not I don't go to the park to fight somebody and hand them a weapon you know I mean that's just not reality to me that's some Log rap nerd shit. You know what I'm saying?

Like in the sense of at this point, you've already escalated things. So now you should probably understand that we're not, it's not a friendly fade. Again, I've explained this at nauseam. A friendly is for someone who you're friendly with. A friendly fade, a fair one we call it. A fair one is for the homie. Like we have a rapport and we're going to go eat after. We're going to go outside.

We're going to run a fair one and then we're going to go eat. That's reserved for the homie. When you're an op, quote unquote, opposition, an enemy, whatever the case may be, where how we came up, there are no fair ones. You get immediately eviscerated. We call it maxed out or packed out.

There is no such thing as a friendly amongst people who are oppositions. So to me, like I said, this screams of somebody who's never had those, been in those environments because I would not hand somebody a weapon to use against me in the real world, right? The second thing.

Well, what if it's not a real weapon? It doesn't matter if it's perceived, one. The cops is going to shoot you if even if you if you have a gun in this phone case, it don't matter. They're going to shoot you. It's a perceived weapon. So we all know we live on the internet. Perception doesn't matter. I mean, reality doesn't matter if the perception is fucked up. Right. So the second thing was the AI shit. The song would have just been a cool, wouldn't have been a dope rap song without the, without the act, without the AI shit, again, screaming of lack of cultural awareness because you don't, I don't know, maybe I could ask you, would you ever

someone's likeness who's currently walking around? Me? Yeah. No. Why not? Well, I mean, me I wouldn't, but in that situation... I'm saying, why not, though? And that, because I'm just, I don't...

Not in that situation. Just in general. Why not? I mean, but I have, though. I mean, we've done skits and things like that where I've acted like other people. With AI? Not with AI, but in the terms of acting and using somebody's likeness and personality, not necessarily AI, but with that record, with the telling them,

made record, I thought that it was a clever. First of all, we've never seen that in that type of situation, bad or not. So I thought it was a clever play. Everybody, it wasn't like one of those records where it was like, oh, he's killing him. It was more so like, oh, that was kind of, that was clever. It would have been even more clever without that. Because to me, again, somebody who has respect for, I don't go to fuck if I don't like you as an artist. I would never, because I have respect for hip hop, I have respect for my elders. Even people who don't like me as an elder in the game, I would never disrespect

them publicly because I respect... Where was the disrespect? To use someone likeness without their permission who's currently breathing. Yeah, but it wasn't yeah, but see, that's where that's where y'all people lose me in this because yes, he used

a Puck, Tupac's voice with a filter. Snoop Dog. Snoop. Snoop. Snoop. But when we say, oh, he's using their likeness and this, that, and that. Like, Drake wasn't using that as a single trying to get popping. And, like, that's where I think people was just, this was a moment.

It was a battle. It was like, all, let's have some fun. He's taking too long to respond. You know, what are some of the West Coast, you know, Mount Rushmore's? What would they say in this moment to Kendrick if they could speak to him and get him in a room? I think that was Drake's mindset. Like, yo, we doing this or not, bro? Like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, you jumped out there with the verse. Let's do it. Like, I'm fresh off tour. I'm in the studio. I'm not sleeping. I'm up. I'm ready for this moment. Like, what are you doing? And then obviously, you know, the record came out. Somebody made a call to an estate. The state said, take it down, delete the song. Okay, cool. No problem. It wasn't that serious of a song. I'll delete it off my Instagram or wherever it was living at. It wasn't that deep. So that's why I feel like when people are like, oh, he used, you know, Pock's lightness or he used Snoop's likeness and this

that and the third and it's like, bro, it wasn't that serious though. He wasn't trying to make, he wasn't trying to make a living off of this song and publish it and then push it out to the mat. Like, you understand what I'm saying? So when people carry it that heavy, I'm like, bro, this was a battle, bro. This was a, this was like a little intent. Like, yo, what's up, fam? Like, I'm here.

I'm outside. I'm waiting for you. Like, what you're going to do? Like, I agree with you. But to me, even your rebuttal screams to me that you don't understand. That's disrespectful where we come from. where I'm from, that's disrespectful. It doesn't matter what the use case is.

You don't violate the elders or the OGs. Where was the violation at, though? Why did they tell him to take it down? Because he used somebody's likeness and their tone and their influxes and their voices. So the violation is using someone's shit without their permission. Yeah, but again, you're losing me because I get what you're saying. Yes, he used the AI, the voice, the filter. I get that part.

but it's not like he used it and was disrespecting Pock or Snoop. And that's what I'm telling you. You don't see the bigger picture is. The bigger picture is those are West Coast artists. Kendrick is a West Coast artist. And this turned into California versus Drake. Not Kendrick versus Drake. No.

That's the real situation. No, that's not what happened. That's exactly what Kendrick turned it into. That's not what happened. Kendrick didn't turn it into California versus Drake. You DJed the Popout show. What are you talking about? Who used who's like?

So it was you in Amazon? Who used whose likeness? Drake and Ford. So you're saying that Dot conspired to have, dot, I mean, you're saying Dot conspire to have Drake use those two West Coast legends, right? No, I'm not saying, no, no, no, no. I'm not saying Dot had anything to do with that. No, no, I'm just, listen, you're saying that Dot turned it into California versus Drake. That's what you know.

100%. But Drake used California first. He used it in a way of saying, yo, dog, you're taking too long to drop your, your version or your record, whatever you're putting out. Like, yo, what's up, fam? I'm waiting. Like, this is what the OGs would say or what I think the OGs would, if they could get to Kendrick to, like, Kendrick, we need you, West Coast saving.

All of that. Like, that was just fun shit. That was part of the moment. But to since didn't have the estate, whoever called the state, I don't know who called the estate, Tupac State. Who has to call anybody? I'm just saying, somebody made a call. Can somebody use Rory and all to do stuff without,

your permission? They do it all the time with YouTube. No. No, that's not what I'm asking you. Are you cool with people using Rory and Mawrory, are you cool with people using Rory and Maw to just do whatever the fuck they want to do? No. Why not? It depends the light that it's put in. Okay. There's plenty of stuff that goes on YouTube that will never copyright, copy strike, anything. If you want to use our content, I'm okay. There's been times where like homophobic shit was used in our likeness that we didn't feel was okay. Especially with our brand with advertisers. and it's different there. Right.

But as far as like someone clipping this exact conversation, nah, I'm fine with that. Okay, perfect. Because it promotes, I mean, granted, that didn't promote Tupac or Snoop. So I see there's not. It wasn't supposed to, though. I know.

So it's a weird comparison that I think Head is asking. No, no, no. It's not, I'm not comparing the two. I'm simply just asking straight across, because he was bringing up like somebody called the estate, just straight across business. You can't even put out your album without getting clearance. Oh, for sure, yeah.

No, I don't think anyone needed to call it. Tupac's estate. They could just hear it. That's all I'm the lawyer that they have on retainer. I don't think nobody called Tupac's estate? I'll be honest. I don't know Kendrick. I'm asking you, do you think anybody did? I think

somebody probably did. I don't think it had anything to do with Kendrick, but I'm not in this debate. Okay. So my point is, Drake brought California in before Dot did. Because he used Snoop and Pock's likeness?

It would have been a cool record without it. Okay. It's just creatively you have to have the bandwidth to do that on your own. I hear that. The volume. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying.

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