New Rory & MAL - Best of Rory & Mal: Week of 6/16

Episode Date: June 22, 2025

This week on New Rory & Mal, we debate Jay-Z's biggest dud, call out Mal for being wrong about Kendrick not getting love in Toronto, Pusha T taking shots at Travis Scott, and Joy Taylor is in studio to talk about how her love life has changed since starting her podcast #volumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Every legend has not dropped a dud. A dud? First of all, do you know what a dud is? Where we can unanimously say that shit is trash. Do you think Eminem is a legend? Yeah. Do you think Eminem has dropped a dud? Yes.

15 of them. I'm not going to go that far. If that's a little while. Sorry. By JZ standard, I think Blueprints it was a dud. You don't get to say by JZ standard. No, but that's how he trying to... We only compare legends to themselves.

No, we don't. No, we don't. We compare legends to other legends all the time. We talked about Wayne last week. wasn't comparing him to himself. He's comparing it to albums that dropped. I... That shit is a dud. I'm not huge on Nas' untitled album.

I'm not going to say the real name. Is it a dud? But that's better than... His worst shit is better than everybody else's hot shit. So like... Yes, it was a dud. Nah, I don't think it was a dud. He had to change the name. BlueBron 2 is not a dud? It's the bottom of his...

That doesn't mean it's a dud. I'm sure like numbers wise, I'm sure it's sold, but Wayne is doing what, 150K first week? That's not a dud. But Blueprint 2. People would kill to sell that. People only... A-list rappers right now would kill

to do those first week numbers. Yes, those numbers. It's not a dud. Those numbers they would. That music, they wouldn't. So what's a dud then? Okay, so now let's have that conversation. If you feel like Blueprint 2 was a dud,

why do you feel like a dup? Because most people don't like Blueprint 2 because they feel like it was too much music. It was, yeah. There was a double disc. A lot of duds on it. I don't know if it's a lot of duds. Jay, he took some chances.

The Sean Paul thing to me disgusting. Wayne took some chances too. I hate that record with Sean Paul. We didn't need that one. But I'm not going to say that album was a dud because there's some crazy records on both of those discs. Okay. Magna Carta.

I don't think it's slap me shit out you. I don't think it's as bad as people make it out to seem. I enjoy the album. But all that anticipation, you in jungle studios with fucking mobile providers. You sell a million records before the shit comes out because it's already on our phones. Is it a dud? That the anticipation for that album became a dud. Yes. It got killed that first week. Why are you you catering it to is it a

dud? Don't tell me the anticipation that week. So now it's a dud. Most people would say if jZ had a dud, it would be Magna Carta. I do not agree with that. But most people would say that Magna Carta has gotten a bad rep. I think it's like I agree with Rory. I think it's a way better album than people give it credit for. But most people will say that back to her. Is it a dud? I do not believe I don't know, dud. Do you invented 5G with it, and you're in the studio, Rick Rubin and Farrell talking about a metaphor

for fucking the ocean. Okay. And then it was just like, all right, this is what you were doing the entire time? So do you feel like Magnicard is a dud? I'm telling you. Not in the scope of Jay's discography. You, when you listen to the album,

you feel like it's a dud. After he tried to break down the C-SIC line to Farrell and Farrell went, what? Yeah, it was kind of a dud to me. And then after the speakers blew out with Timberlin... He dancing. He's dancing. You got your thong on and you're shaking ass. You're dancing.

You guys won't tell me what a dud is, though, because I tried to go with the definition of numbers. So no, Magna Carta would not be that. Now you guys are telling me his music. That's subjective. So, okay. I like Magna Carta, but the consensus when that shit came out after Timberlin,

July 4th watching fucking whatever game was on where it was announced. Timberlin blew his speakers out, which ended up being the worst fucking drums I've ever heard my life. Yeah, it was a dud as far as the critics and fans went that week. I like it, but no one else did. Okay.

I mean, I think also a lot of the times, dud can be subjective. I think that... That's why I asked what a definition was. We all feel like... Y'all are dancing. No, I'm not dancing. I feel like the little Wayne album that he just dropped was not good at all.

I feel like there's a couple joints on there that's like, okay, Wayne is still in shape being the rap. We agree there. But the music to me is just not. I will never go... Like, if I don't go back to it and actively play like at least half of the album, I feel like that's a dud. If I don't go back to your album and play at least half of the tracks,

you got 16 tracks. If I'm not going back and actively listen to at least eight, nine, that's a dud to me. I mean, if we're talking about legends that actively, actively drop, you can't name one outside of maybe Michael Jackson that has never dropped a dud.

They would say Michael has a dud too. What's Michael's does? I don't, I'm sure someone would say that Michael has a dud. I can't remember. I mean, well, people, we just seen, he freed a whole killer whale. Was it butterflies that they said was Michael's dud?

Who said that? No. Where they had? Find them. Find them. Find them. Find them. Find them.

We need to talk to this person. Like, everybody did cut his router off. Like, I think outside, I think the big three are legends, but I don't put them there yet as far as people that have been dropping music for 25 years. That's the people I'm talking about now. Yeah. I think eventually you're going to drop a dud if you stay active. and we've seen it with our legends. So Wayne is allowed to drop a dud.

Is it a dud or is it just like that's the worst album you dropped? Because this is a difference. Okay. But that's why I say you can only compare legends against their own discography. Wayne's worst work is better than most people's favorite rap albums than the new era.

Will you go back to Wayne's last album and play at least half of those tracks? Probably not. So then that's a dud. But you also are saying that legends can't drop duds but said Eminem is a legend and we can all agree here. I just said legends can't drop d'oe.

I mean, meaning that if they, if a legend drops the album that's not good, like we hold them to a higher regard. So like with the Wayne shit, because you was like, no, it's okay. I'm like, no, it's not. Like when you're a legend, you can't drop a dud. But Eminem has? He has. And it happens.

But I'm saying that you don't get a pass. Because you was trying to give Wayne a pass for dropping a dud. Nah, you don't get no pass for that. This gentleman right here, Rory, says, I agree with Moll. Thank you. Waltz. I agree with Maul. If Wayne dropped an okay or just a good album, the convoy is completely different. But if you're in the convo of one that the greatest ever and you drop a dud, that it has to be made known that it was, okay, then, then it has to be made known that it was a dud.

Yeah. Okay. I don't feel this way. But do you think the consensus of the general public after black album happened, he retired, came back, was showing what you got? Do you think Kingdom Come was deemed a dud when it came up. Kingdom Come? Yeah. I'm not going to say it was deemed a dud, but a lot of people didn't like it. I'm not going to say dud, though. A lot of people didn't.

I don't think it sounded the way people. I like it. I think it probably has one of the best intros. Lost One is one of my favorite songs. There's so much shit on there that's incredible. But let's not all act. Like, everyone didn't say that was a fucking dud when it came out. I don't remember if everyone was saying it was done.

I stood in line for the fucking reflective. cover. And then we all opened it and was like, all, man, could stay retired. I don't, I don't, I can't speak to that. But I didn't feel, me personally, I didn't feel like it was a dud. Okay. I didn't feel like it was a dud. Listen, I like King of Come. I'm talking about what the general public thinks. Oh, I don't, I don't know what the general

public was saying about that. That's exactly what. Well, yeah, did that come out? Oh, oh yeah, I don't know what the fuck the general public was saying. Oh, yeah, I don't know what you say, oh, anything. Oh, anything. What was King of Come? No, because, uh, wait, American, American gangster was what, 07. So Kingdom Come was... Maybe two years after that.

No, because Kendall Come was the... Peach. 2003 was Kingdom Come. Oh, hell no, I don't know what the general public in... Oh, three? How these niggas was thinking in 2003? I was in second grade. We didn't even have social media, did we?

Oh, my God. Maugh, after the Black album, Fade to Black, when he handed the keys to the city over to you and Bleak, he disappeared and then came back, gave us a reflective cover that we'd never seen. and everyone was disappointed as far as the public went. Yes, that was the overall consensus. Anywhere you went was like,

I'm not saying you wrong. I'm just like, I don't remember that. Coming off the black album, retiring, going to Def Jam. Yeah, everyone, at that time, that first few weeks, everyone was like, it could have probably just stayed retired. This ain't your return out. But people going, people are. I do.

I remember that consistent. Yeah, like, all right, now we're just rewriting history. That is what happened. I don't remember that. You was like 16. 15. He wasn't even 16. He was like 10.

13, 14. Get the fuck out of here with this take. You hear this shit, peez is Malaki. How the fuck do you know what people with the general consensus was when you was 13? The TV. TV. TV. TV.

You act like a 14 year old isn't talking to people? What the fuck are we talking about? You had to be home before the shoe like I was eight years old. I was 14. I was in high school. And you still had to be home by the time dinner was done. You didn't know what the general public was thinking. You don't know what the general.

What does it have to do with ghetto techno? You don't do, well, that's different. You're talking about a song. I'm saying the general consensus about the album. Kingdom come came out 2006. Peach gave me the wrong year. I was 16. I was driving.

Yeah, you still don't know what the general consensus was thinking of. Not at 16. You don't. That's impossible to know that at 16. Dough. I had... Your world is so small at 16.

You don't know what everybody is thinking. Mall, I get what you saying, but kids run the music industry and run with hot and music industry. Teenagers and young adults, yes, they do. Run the music industry? Is that what you just said? When it comes to,

to what's hot and what's popular, yes, they do. That's why y'all don't understand the allure of Playboy Cardi. How the fuck they run it was hot and what's like they can't even speak. That's now, but back then the kids decide what music is going. Everybody appeals to kids. You know that. Everybody is trying to appeal to 30. Jay Z has never tried to appeal to kids.

He has never made an album for kids. So let's stop that right there. Are you about to tell me 16-year-olds are not listening to Jay-Z? I didn't, 2006. I did not say that. What I'm going on? I'm saying with DeMaris, I'm saying to DeMaris's point, Jay-Z has not made an album thinking about kids.

Of course not. That's all I'm saying. That's what I'm speaking to what she said. He's never went to the studio and said, I'm making this album for kids. So what do you think singles are for? Why Jay-Z is so successful is because he catered his music to a wide audience. Now, Hard Knock Life was definitely for 40-year-olds for sure.

It's got an Annie hook. The kids are literally on the fucking hook. So that means it's four kids? Not that it's going to appeal to kids. That's different. And when I said kids, I'm not talking about babies. I'm not talking about children.

I'm talking about teenagers and young adults. One of my early memories of the radio is more money, more problems being on the radio because I found it. I didn't know what the fuck they was saying. It was catchy. Yeah, that appeals to kids. Catchy songs appeal to kids. MTV.

Catchy songs appeal to anybody. What do you talk about? BT 106 and Park, MTV, all of those things. were they appealed to kids, not children, but to kids. When they went to the window, it wasn't a bunch of 40-year-olds like, yo, salute. It was a bunch of kids and their parents. Yeah, but that's, again, I'm not saying that what you're saying is wrong. I'm saying these artists are not going, Jay-Z in particular, is not going in the studio, making

album thinking about what are the kids going to think about this? That's not what he's doing. He's making music and whoever likes it likes it. But it's not for kids. Of course. But back when Jay-Z was also young. he was making music for people in his age range. No, you don't think that that was happening?

Yeah, but again, you're talking about rap. Rap is a young, first of all, rap is a young sport, number one. Exactly. So it's going to appeal to a younger audience just by the nature of the culture. But when you talk about his content and what he's saying and what he's talking about, that's not, he's not rhyming and rapping and telling you fiends could catch a freeze off my kneecap. He ain't saying that for kids. Of course not.

No, just like. All right. So I'm just saying he's not making it. kids. It's going to appeal because it's hip hop, it's rap. This is what kids in the inner city, this is what they listen to. This is what they see. This is what they grow up around. But they're not the ones that determine if that, if it's hot or not. Like, no, that's not who determines, we're going to have to disagree. We're going to have to disagree. That is who determines what's hot or not because those are the back in those days, back in 06, when, again, when you had to get your music

video premiered on certain things and you were trying to get people to buy your albums and you were marketing, you are marketing towards younger adults because younger adults are more likely to spend their money on that type of shit or beg their parents to spend their money on that type of. Why was the fourth quarter at that time, always the time when rappers put out their albums.

It was because Christmas. Because kids are going to ask their parents to buy the CD. That's why? Yes. Because of Christmas? Or because it was the end of year reporting for the labels and then the numbers had to match for the year. And what is the highest consumer rate is in? Yes, it's

talking about. It wasn't just... Call your brother. I guarantee you he'll say the same thing. Just call your brother. Call your brother. But it wasn't just for Christmas though. Do it. That's the highest consumer rate at that time. People are spending the most money. Kids are asked. That's why they put out everything at that time. What are we talking about? That's a fact in the world, not just music. Yes, Christmas time, people buy gifts. I get that part. Christmas is catered around buying gifts for kids. Kids are not the only ones that received gifts during Christmas. What I'm trying to tell you is when rappers put out music, kids didn't make it hot. kids got kids found out what was hot

based on what the older niggas in the hood was listening to we're saying numbers I only knew it was whole from everything is because he appealed to so many people because the older niggas on my block said he was hot

I only knew DMX was dope because the older niggas on my block was saying DMX was dope but you're saying that the older niggas on your block 20, 21, 22 or were the older niggas on your block 35 40? It ranges from 20s to 30s to 40s it was a bunch of old dudes on my block

but what I'm saying is so you be able to get the old For 15. Me being 13, 14, I only knew I only knew Snoop was dope because dudes that had cars, older news that was riding around listening to had the girls. That's what they was playing. And I'm like, shit, I want to listen to that. In between 19 and 30 maybe.

They were not 45 years old. They weren't kids, though. Back to those. They were not kids is what I was saying. But I've been clarified that when I say kids, I mean teenagers and young adults. People from the ages. Well, that's not kids. That changes everything.

you just said. You said that shit so much long ago. You're saying making content that's not for kids isn't like Eminem's whole entire career why he blew up was because of kids. And his content was way crazy. Never for kids. Never for kids. But he had kids as fans.

That's what separated Eminem from everything. It was because the kids, myself included, it felt like, damn, this is dangerous to listen to. Like I hope my mom doesn't know that I'm listening to this shit. Nikki Minaj fans as well. Nikki Minaj's fans were all young kids. Like they were young kids. Her music was not.

Pussy. the whole time. The intention isn't, the intention is to go to a wide audience. That is the intention. Yes. But the kids are, is what's going to make you hot. Period. Like, period.

If you don't have the kids, there's only so far you will go. There's only so far you will go if you don't have the kids. You can have the kids and not have the adults. Hence the Playboy Cardi's, hence the ice spices. You can have the kids and not have the adults and still have an amazing career. But you can't have the adults and not have the kids and blow up like that. It doesn't, unless you're already alive. legend and you've already had the kids and the kids who are now the adults were your fans back

then it just doesn't work like that you do need the teenagers and young adults to make music pop it's just always been like that did you did you know the public's views of volume one when it came out your volume one was 97 um no the public views no not at all you're killing jay for i knew the views on the people in my neighborhood yeah this is what i'm talking about the beer the people around you yeah yeah they fucked with it but you how old were you 16 16 15 16 yeah so why like why can a 16 year old know what the fuck people think of an album no you told them about you said the general consensus yeah no you know the people in your radius in your neighborhood you didn't know the general consensus of what this this album that came out was

you knew the people with the people in your neighborhood was saying about it you knew what the people in your barbershop was saying about it that's a that's not a thing that is a thing but when you say general i'm thinking you thinking like the entire like what is the entire fucking country saying about this artist that just dropped. Like how we know now when the artist dropped, we can know what everybody is feeling about it or what everybody seems to be feeling about it? It wasn't like that in 97.

What are you talking about? For the most part, everyone has similar thoughts. Not exactly. Depending on the regions and things like that because I grew up thinking that the general consensus was that Jay-Z was the best rapper to ever have rapped and then I started meeting niggas from the South and they looked at me like I had seven heads.

Yeah, but that's about a Jay-Z fans I'm talking about. But again, and that's false too because a lot of nigs in the South fuck with Jay-ZZ. A lot of things from the South. self do. But a lot of niggas from the South do not look at Jay the way that we do. It's not the general consensus that it's well known that Jay-Z is the greatest rapper of all time in the South. It is not looked at like that. There's a big debate. I just feel like this is a semantic. New York. There's a lot of people in New York that don't feel like Jay-Z is the best

rapper ever. Yeah, but we look at them like weirdos. Because they are. But I think this semantics. We don't claim it. And no, I can't prove it. But everyone knows how Kingdom Come came across in the beginning. I would have to agree with you. As I had a father who was a Jay Z fan. I would have to agree with you. It wasn't actually until way later when everyone was like, yo, remember we used to kill this album? This shit was like, you heard what she just said? Her father said about the album. Somebody older.

Okay. And then that's how she felt about the album? Yo, at 16, I knew people that were 20. I know that sounds insane, but yeah, like, I knew older people. I'm not saying you didn't. I'm just saying you got most of what you felt from an album based on the older people that were around you and what they were saying, how they felt

about the music. that's just how it's always been I felt at 16, 17, Black album was better. Okay. You can still listen to like I went to fade to black

to the movies to see it. Like I was a Jay Z fan. I'm not saying you can't listen to something and no matter what age or not feels like it wasn't older people telling me it was bad. I was like this ain't, I mean this ain't that. But because it don't always go like that

because I also my father thought Soldier Boy was the worst thing that ever happened to music. My father also thought that Drake was the worst thing to ever happened to music. And I used to sit and play fucking drink.

break, soldier boy, all of that cranked that shit, all of that lean with a rock with all of that. I used to make my father sit down and listen to it. So there was, no matter how trash he told me it was, like, I insisted that it was good because it was good to me and because it was good to my peers. Yeah, you can still listen to it and how you feel. But I'm just saying most of where you get your taste in music,

you see, hear artists now when they sit down and speak, they talk about what their parents were playing in the house. Yeah, absolutely. They talk about older people were playing in the cars. Like, that's where you get your influence and how you see how people are, around you are feeling about music that's coming out. That's where you pick that up from.

It's the older generation. It's like, okay, they fucking with that. This is what's playing outside when I go outside. Everybody drive past. They're playing this in their car. That's just what it was. Yeah. That's how you fell in love with most of your music.

You would hear it moving around outside, hearing it in cars, hearing it playing it playing out of somebody's window. Like, that's what it was. And then you would be like, yo, I need to go get that mixtape or that CD. I need to go play that. Then you start playing it on your way to school, listening to your headphones.

But you found it. it from older people in your neighborhood. That's all I'm saying. Like that plays a large part of it. For sure, but it doesn't shape an opinion. No, no, no, it doesn't shape an opinion. But I remember arguing on people about volume three. That is a special place in my,

I like that album more than most people because it was like one of the first CDs I've ever had. But I've heard people tell me like, yo, you like, what's the song Mariah Carey that Swiss did? It's like one of the worst Jay-Z songs ever. It's like one of my favorites. Well, Mariah? There's a most sweetheart.

No, that's JD. It's like one of the worst. Swiss beats ever. It's the things that you do. Oh, I know she's on. Yeah. I remember everyone killing that and I loved it.

That doesn't shape your opinion, but I guess the environment would. I don't know. We just went on a tangent. I know Pige's just. It wasn't a bad tangent. I mean, I guess we can go to voicemouth. No.

Well, congrats on your move, baby Dee. Hopefully stay out the Brooklyn Streets. Summertime is upon us. Don't be out there acting up. I think I'm being a relationship by August October. So I'm cool. I'm out of the street.

I'm out of the street. I'm going to be out of the street. So we're good. Oh, boy. What's next on the docket? Toronto shows up for Kendrick. You want to talk about that? Yeah, let's talk about that.

Everybody been in my mentions. Everybody been in my phone. Yeah, man. But you know. We tried to tell you was the shitty take then. Yeah, but you know what it is, man. I'd be underestimating how many fucking goofies are out here. Oh, my God.

How many idiots are out here in the world? Y'all went and showed up for somebody that was shitting on y'all. Toronto is the third largest city in North America. Right. You don't think Kendrick Lamar has fans out here. No, no, no. We know Kendrick has fans of Toronto, but I just, you know, people were supposed to, that show, you were supposed to not go to that specific show.

But, you know. Why? Because he's shitting on the city of Toronto. Is he? What the fuck you think they not like us? Who is they and they not like us? Do you specifically talking, like, about? He's talking about Canadians.

All of Canada is crazy. That's exactly who he was talking about. He was talking about Canadians, Tarantoneans, to be exact. I thought he was trying to separate between people that are of the culture and the people that are not. And he's saying they're not like us.

Oh, that's what you thought? It's definitely not what he was saying. Yeah, so all you idiots in Toronto that brought a ticket to that show, just do us. Didn't they become us if they were at the show singing with him? No.

Maybe they wanted to become us. No. No. That's why they're exactly why they're fucking goofy. Anybody that went to that show as a Torontoian is a goofy. Can't go to that show, man. You just can't. You're not supposed to.

Got to stand for something. Can you just say that you were wrong? About what? About what? That you were wrong about your take about, yeah, say I was wrong. I thought that he was going to get laughed out of the arena. He didn't.

Oh, man. I mean, listen, man. Cizel was there too, though. So do you like. Oh my fuck. Okay. We got to give scissors some props Does not act like a lot of people

It's there to see scissors We're not doing that I think people were there For one of the biggest artists Period Cool, yeah So do you think anyone From Queens is allowed

To go to a KRS1 show In that moment, no Now, today If Karras, yeah, today yeah So if he does the bridge is over Queens keeps on faking it You're not allowed to enjoy KERS1 KERS won't do that

That's not a part of his set He would I'm sure he performed it last night somewhere In Queens? No, not in Queens. You said in Queens. He would perform in New York City. You said in Queens.

No, I'm saying in New York City. He said in Queens. That's what he said at first. I'm sure Karras won has performed the bridges over in Queens before. And I'm sure people from Queens were there going the bridge over. The bridge is over. Let's find it. Let's find it.

We could go on the search. Google and KRS. That's such a specific queen set list. Yeah. With members from Queensbridge there. I'm willing to bet that. KRS 1 never performed that song in Queens. I'm willing to bet that.

I'm also willing to bet that we'll never know because we... How? It's the internet. We could find anything. Okay. We could find you rapping on the internet. Can you relax? Can you find KRS one rapping? Yep. In Queens?

Was everyone holding up their like IDs to let you know where they were from? Think we got one here. I'll guarantee you, Joss doesn't have it. Damn. It's in the title. Well, let's see. I'm off of being wrong. It's 27 months long.

I mean, yeah, he's performing it. Fast forward, gosh. See, that means the Bronx won. Oh, no, the Bronx definitely won. Back then, we knew that. That's not what we're trying to figure out here. We know that. Well, I mean, listen, man, I think it's fine that any Canadian

went to go see somebody they enjoy. There's nothing wrong with that. Clown. So you're saying you were wrong because you had more confidence in the greater Ontario area. No, I mean, we obviously know that Kendrick is who he is. Like, people were going to go to a Kendrick show. But to see people from Toronto,

Crip walking. Like, what are y'all? You only are the crips in Toronto? I don't know. But to be cripp walking at a Kendrick show and being in a, you look stupid. And they're going to think I'm hating, but I want to see the tour. But what is that section that they keep posted?

Is there like a gang section? you know, please. No, no, hear me. No, I know that. But have you noticed at every single stop, not just in Toronto, there's a specific area that's open where they could fit way more people? And it just be like 10 gang members. They're dancing the whole time at every stop. No, I haven't known.

It don't be a girl. It just be. People dance like crib walking? Yeah. I haven't noticed. It might be part of the set. Or they buy me from the set. Rep your set.

I'm saying? I mean, shit. That's a cool gig. Yeah, but that was disappointing to Cito. I ain't going to lie. That was nasty. It's over, man. No, it's not.

Yes, it is. No, it's not. What's over? What do you mean? What's over? This entire thing, like... Oh, oh, yeah, yeah. The beef shit, yeah.

Nobody cares about that. That, I mean, for me, the La Toronto show was the end of it. For me. I guess, yeah, that was probably the one thing people had marked on their calendar. Yeah, that's the end of it. That was the end. I mean, who was the politician that said I went for CISA?

Oh, the, uh... Mind you, here's thing. I thought it was odd that Drake posted that even though I laughed, but because we got this reaction, I'm happy Drake posted that. I went for Cicester. How you start copping, please.

Jack Miet Cigna. I went for Cizza. I went for Cizzer not Kendrick. So why you ain't leave when Kendra got on stage? That's my whole thing. Why you ain't leave? As soon as soon as Cisor was over, soon as a set was over, why not leave?

He wanted to hear all right Because niggas is lying He went there to see Kendrick I went to the GNX tour Not to see Kendrick Yeah, just stand on it That's my only thing with all of this shit Stand on it

That's all I don't care what's like Just stand on it And stay there A win is a win A win A win is a win I don't care what you're saying Yep, that's me

Cliver Taylor the 4th You might have seen the skits The reactions My journey from basketball To college football Or my career in sports media Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined.

And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger.

So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to The Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross

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Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so you all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence.

Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I feel like it was a little bit unbelievable until I really start making money. It's Financial Literacy Month, and the podcast Eating While Broke is bringing real conversations

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you got to go get a real job. There's an economic component to community striving. If there's not enough money and entrepreneurship happening in communities, they fail. And what I mean by fail is they don't have money to pay for food. They cannot feed their kids. They do not have homes. Communities don't work unless there's money flowing through them. Listen to Eating While Broke from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

I'm John Green. You may know me as the author of The Fault and Our Stars. And now, I guess also as the co-host of The Away End, a brand new world soccer podcast. I'm Daniel Alarcon, a writer and journalist, and John and I have known each other since we were kids. My first World Cup was Mexico 86. I was nine years old. I watched every game, and I fell in love. On our new podcast, The Away End, we'll share with you the magic of international football, all leading up to the

2026 World Cup. For us, soccer, football, is a story we've shared for over 30 years since Daniel was the star player on our high school soccer team. Very debatable. And I was there most loyal and sometimes only. I love this game. I love its history, its hope, its heartbreak, and above all, it's beauty. Together, we'll find out why, of all the unimportant things, football, soccer, is the most important. Listen to the away end with Daniel Auer Kohn and John Green on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Travis Scott versus Push Your Tea. When the clips put out, so be it. I felt like a hip-hop novice because at the end, of so be it, which I think is incredible, by the way. I think the clips are two for two. The visual is incredible as well. I thought Pushyty was dissing Kanye West, just out the gate. And I thought he was just using Utopia because Travis's man, like, I just thought that was a wordplay thing. And then the timeline started debating. And I was like, well, that'd be weird if he would just diss Travis Scott. Like, and first of all, I'm a hip-hop nerd. It's got to be about Kanye. And then within 15 minutes, Push-a-Tee was like, no, I was directly about Travis Scott.

I was talking about Kanye West at all. Well, Kanye caught a little bar, maybe. Yeah, but he, I mean, he caught one on the first one as well with trumpets. Like, Pusha Tea has been continuing walls to get his juice fix in. Thank you, Josh. It's just like my spinach. No, it is spinach. No, yeah, it's like literally spinach.

Definitely is. So, yeah, the exact bar at the end of Sobia was, you cried in front of me, you died in front of me, Calabasasas took your bitch and you're proud in front of me. Her utopia had moved right. up the street and her lip gloss was popping. She ain't need you to eat. What does any of that shit mean? Well, we can break it down. Josh, pull that up, pull the lyrics up. The net, don't call it the way they see it, but I got the video. I can share and A-E it. They wouldn't believe it, but I can't

unsee it. Luckily, I ain't TMZ it. So be it, so be it. All right. So we want to start right here. Do we want to start in the timeline of why the fuck Pusha T is dissing a non-wrapper? Uh, yeah, sure, let's do that. This goes back. At the end of the day, BAPE may be the greatest fashion brand of all time to the chaos that it has caused hip hop. Bap?

I think Bap has caused more chaos and hip hop than maybe Ronald Reagan did at this point. Yeah, what? This all goes back to a fucking Bap hoodie and some Bap sneakers. This all goes back to Clips Birdman, Little Wayne, which again, I don't want to go in super detail because we did that when we had to explain the push of tea and Drake beef. But it all started there. Everything trickled down. That got to push and Drake. We saw where that ended up, which I still think has something sort of to do with the Kendrick and 20V1. I still think it derives.

It's all tied and nothing. So push goes on, I forgot, was the New York Times? He goes to explain after so be it that Travis Scott barged into the middle of a Clip session with Farrell, you know, similar to what I do in sessions, just pretend to be a fly on the wall and then just overtake everything and ruin the entire vibe. So he goes in there to play Utopia for Farrell, plays every song, even plays meltdown just without the Drakeverse. There is footage, which I guess was from like the Utopia Doc or something, which of course they clip to make it look funny. But Farrell's face was like, yo, get the fuck out of my studio. He was just bopping his head like, hmm. So we don't think Farrell was feeling

You told me out. No, he probably was. He probably was. Okay. So he doesn't play the meltdown verse that Drake has leaves the studio after ruining their session, uninvited,

and then we are meltdown, where Drake is clearly dissing Farrell. Which, again, I think is kind of fine because you're affiliated with push. Like, I just think if your man's are standing there, sometimes anybody could kind of get it.

Mm-hmm. which push found to be disrespectful. On Travis's behalf. Yeah. Don't come in here. Don't come in here. Ask for Farrell's co-sign. Farrell let you film,

interrupt our entire session, and then let somebody diss him the next week on the very song that you played him. I can see somebody feeling away about that. Was push a dissing a no doubt? Sort of. Like within, The Farrell bars.

I can't remember that. It was something, you know, melting down his legacy and, you know, all that entire shit, which he continued on to do when family matters. But with that said, I don't think Push is wrong per se for it. I just think it's a little random. So Push is mad that Travis has a verse on his album with Drake is dissing Farrell. Yes. And he is mad that he continues to play the middle ground.

Because to push his credit, he even went on there and said he thought it was nasty when Travis was hyping up like that, which was. We all saw and we covered on this podcast. Everyone saw that clip. We thought it was weird too. Like, shaman's like, what the fuck? And Push is saying, you're not even a rapper. So why are you hyping up beef?

You claim to be neutral and play, like, be on both sides. But now you hyping up to like that record. Which is honestly dissing somebody push hate. So I give push the credit on that. Like, you look goofy doing that too. And then you look goofy coming in the studio, playing some shit that is going to diss this guy the next week. Even though we know that I think Drake did that record like the night before.

but you're not going to step in like now I was just with Farrell like don't do that on my record yeah because we've seen artists do that before but they'd be like nah I can't like come on that's my man I can't put that verse on my album and we can't be hypocrites

because when Drake put out push-ups and was throwing shots at Future I understood it future didn't diss Drake unlike that but you sit in there harmonized with somebody that is yeah and so on your house so yeah I think Drake had every right to do that

so that's where I do feel push on this entire thing. Yeah, I'm not mad at what Puscher is saying. I'm not mad at his stance on things. Obviously, I understand it. Like, you know, these are rappers. He's talking about Travis is not a rapper. He's not about the bar, nobody down.

He makes, you know, big songs and things like that has a great live performance. But, you know, rappers, this was pushers talking about the rappers, the guys that really can construct these bars and really, you know, go at each other. Like, you know, I can see him feeling a little. way. I just don't want, because I kind of feel like, now I like the fact that pushes addressing shit on wax. Let me put that video. Yeah. And first of all, but I would rather him be addressing it on wax than to be going live. The corny shit, like some rappers do go live. Start tweeting. That stuff is fine if you're also rapping. If you're rapping, if you put

it in the music, cool. But if you're not putting it in the music and you're just addressing your issues with rappers on podcast or on IG live. or it's like, come on, bro, get in the booth. So I salute Pusher for getting the booth and air his shit out and, you know, expressing his feelings. That's what this is about. That's what hip hop is for. It's for us to get your shit off, talk your shit. If you got something to say, say it, stand on it.

So I respect Pushing for that. My thing is I don't want Pusha to fall into this box to where it looks like beef or issues are a part of his rollout for his album. See, but to me that. I don't want to fall into that is, though, because. Because even with this Travis shit, right, I see more people talking about him dissent Travis than the song or the video being as dope as it is. But that's how it's always going to go.

That's shit I don't like. But there's also a large community I feel over in the timeline. They're just talking about how great Ace Trumpets is and also beat it is. And how excited they are about this album, how great the rollout has been. But to say that would push like, when was Lord willing,

when was the first Clips album? 2000 like that, 2003 maybe yeah, 2002. Two? Damn.

For the last Yeah, you was a jit, you was a jit, you was a little jit. You was outside eating pickles and Kool-Aid. That's what you was on.

You were like, I'm not bad yet, though, that's crazy. Bedfoot. So, go ahead, Roy, 23 years.

Okay, I can definitely say for Daytona, with infrared. He threw a little shot at the end on the outro. I wouldn't say it was part of the rollout. But yes, it definitely got some attention. Then Drake ended up replying, and then we went down that rabbit hole.

But I wouldn't say that was the main focus of his rollout. It's almost dry. I guess there was a few shots here and there, but I didn't think the rollout at all was around that. Matter of fact, the Daytona rollout was the Kanye 7 track shit. Like, nobody was even really thinking about beef for that.

were excited for what Kanye was marketing. No, no, no, I'm not saying this is something that push has always done. But I see a lot of people saying that, like, oh, here goes push again, doing the clout chacey shit to get attention. I'm like, dog, since 2002, he's done this like once or twice. This isn't really a push thing per se. And some of our favorite rappers, shit, 50's rollout was punching down on every other. I mean, but you can't.

50 is. Hove did it. Like, this is hip hop. Yeah, but that's, you're talking about. It's just this new generation that thinks it's corny to make diss another rappers part of a rollout when it's been that way since 1988. No, listen, beef and hip hop has always been. The first hip hop record

might have been a disc record. You'd really go back and listen and dissect those bars. They might have been talking about some niggas from up the block. So we know that. But what I'm saying is because now my thing is if Travis responds on his next album, right? I'm just saying, I don't want to hear it. I don't, I don't want to hear it.

I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear it. Listen, man. I don't care if Saha'i pens the shit. I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, Travis is a great entertainer, has great records. Great musician. One of the best live shows that you probably will see. Love his merch and sneakers. He's doing a lot of great shit.

But when it comes to just rapping, I don't want to just hear, I don't want to hear Travis going there trying to bar push your tea down. I don't want to hear that. I'm not here for that. But if he responds in a Travis wait in the middle of a song somewhere where, you know, niggas is mosh pitting and it's, you know, Fuck, push her, fuck, push her on some rock shit. I don't know.

However he wanted to do. I could see that happening. But then now does Puscher on the next project, what is he doing? Is he back to, is he flaming Travis up on the next album? You get what I'm saying? I don't want it to fall in the next album. You might not even be the next album. You might just get a response record out the gate.

But that's what I'm saying. I just don't want it to fall into that. The video is amazing. You know, that's what the clips have always done. It has given us great visuals and things like that. So this is right on brand for the clips. But yeah, I respect it, man. If you got an issue with somebody in rap, rap.

And I saw a lot of people like, yo, that's corny because, like, everyone knows Travis doesn't even rap like that. Since when can a rapper or not rap about shit that happened if it wasn't rappers? Like, it has to be a lyrical rapper that you just explain a situation you hate. I've heard rappers talk about girls they fucked. That girl can't rap. Did a whole verse about her. All she can do is reply on Twitter. Does that make them push?

No, like this is... No, I don't think that pusher did this thinking it would turn into a back and forth. Like, I think he just had something to say and he wanted to address it. Yeah, what you said? And he addressed it through the music. And I respect that. I always respect when the rap is rap and get on the song or get in the booth and get their shit off. Like, as long as you're not just on social media and on podcast talking about the rappers, it's like, cool, give us the music.

Do it through the music. That's what hip hop is for. what, that's one of the things that hip hop is for, but I respect him, man. I'm not mad at this at all. Do we think we get, well, I don't know, because does Drake even like Travis Scott right now? That's what happens when you get in the middle like that, like then everyone just hates you. So like I was about to say, do we get a Travis and Drake record where it's a hit, but they are sending shots? Like, which they've done in the past that has been incredible? I don't think we get a Travis and Drake record ever again. I don't think that happens.

Me personally, I don't know for sure, but I don't. I mean, after what Travis did, I don't see... I would look at that shit, goofy. Yeah. I don't see that happening. No. A win is a win. A win is a win.

I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated.

One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clivert Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me, or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast.

I'm Sam Jett. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack, so I'm starting to see that there's a through line.

We also have AIDS on the table right now, so. Thank you finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I feel like it was a little bit unbelievable until I really start making money.

It's Financial Literacy Month, and the podcast Eating While Broke is bringing real conversations about money, growth, and building your future. This month, hear from top streamer Zoe Spencer and venture capitalist Lakeisha Landrum-Pierre, as they share their journeys from starting out to leveling up. If I'm outside with my parents and they're seeing all these people come up to me for pictures, it's like, what? Today now, obviously, it's like 100%. They believe everything. But at first, it was just like, you got to go get a real job.

There's an economic component to communities thriving. If there's not enough money and entrepreneurship happening in communities, they fail. And what I mean by fell is they don't have money to pay for food. They cannot feed their kids. They do not have homes. Communities don't work unless there's money flowing through them. Listen to Eating While Broke from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm John Green.

You may know me as the author of The Fault and Our Stars. And now, I guess also is the co-host of the Away End, a brand new world soccer podcast. I'm Danielle Alarcon, a writer and journalist. And John and I have known each other since. we were kids. My first World Cup was Mexico 86. I was nine years old. I watched every game and I fell in love. On our new podcast, The Away End, we'll share with you the magic of international football, all leading up to the 2026 World Cup. For us, soccer, football, is a story we've shared for over 30 years since Daniel was the star player on our high school soccer team. Very debatable. And I was their most loyal and sometimes

only fan. I love this game. I love its history. It's hope. It's hope. its heartbreak, and above all, it's beauty. Together, we'll find out why, of all the unimportant things, football, soccer, is the most important. Listen to the away end with Daniel Auer Kohn and John Green on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. How has podcasting affected your Dayton life? It hasn't. Really? No, I'm doing fine.

How? This is how. But she's been in broadcast for a while. How would you think it would affect it negatively? Because you're probably more open and honest on your podcast than you are on television about your personal, you know, life and joy really is. In my real life, like, you're going to get joy. No, I get that part.

But like, because us podcasting, we speak about how, like, you meet people. And, you know, they may have. have heard your podcast, they see clips of your podcast, they hear you say something, and then they make this preconceived notion about the type of person that you may be. Oh, I don't date little boys. So I can't even, I can't even imagine. Like, there's certain conversations I couldn't even imagine having. Like, oh, I saw that on your podcast. So like, is that how you really feel? Oh, imagine a decade of it. Oh. What? I happen. People do that? It happens. Oh, God. What? I can't even imagine this conversation. I cannot

imagine a grown-ass man having this conversation with me. Listen, it's worse when you know people, right? Say you dated somebody and you know them before podcasting. Okay. And now you have a podcast. And then they hear you say something on your podcast and bring it to your real life. And actually, like, the relationship would really change between y'all. Like your parents.

Well, that's, yeah. But that happens. It's like, yo, you know me for real. Like, what's wrong with you? Like, and it's like, it's a real like, oh, no, you said that. Like, that's how, or I didn't know. That's a what? Like you know you know me we've known each other 10 15 years what are you talking about like that that happens like people will hear something in the clip and be like have you had this is

first yes I've had someone I was living with questioning me about things that happen on a podcast and they live together I'm like you he know what I feel like you he know what thoughts you know everything about me why are you questioning me about something I'm talking about on a damn podcast and usually it comes from selfish reasons of they feel that someone else is going to ask them about it. Not what you said. It's that, oh, someone may hear this and ask me about that. Like, yo, what's up with your man? Like, he only are talking about, uh, uh. It sounds like they want a man with a different, and woman with a different occupation.

That's, thank you. That's very important. So what I'm all saying is true. Something else. That happens. And that's okay. What? It can be an adjustment. Like, that's because they're dating a man with a different sex by birth or something. Oh. Where did your brain even? That's why I said. I saw him going there.

The worst is actually when you meet people that you've already had this gig. Like, I met you this way. Sorry. Why are you even questioning me on this shit? I actually understand more of what Mall was saying of people that knew you before podcasting and are justing with you of like saying personal things that the world may have not known. Not anything crazy. But people that you meet when you were already in media and have the nerve to say anything

are the ones that blow my fucking mind. Like you met me. Right. Like what are you? I'm going to stop doing this because you showed up. You came across like my clip. That's how you slid in my DMs. I don't know why you would think that.

And I was saying, wow, shit, you laughed back then. Now it's not funny. Yeah, this is, because we have all sense. That's crazy. I don't have any wood to knock on, but this has not happened to me yet. I don't know that it's ever happened to me in my career. But, yeah, I don't, I mean, that's just not, I don't think that's a conversation I would entertain. Like, I'm almost 40 years old.

You got, you got your hose and check. I'm not talking about anymore. Like, I don't, like. See? It's saying. Like, I'm just not like, I'm not talking. Like, what I love for you is that you are still on your journey because I'm not your person.

Right. And you are going to find the person that fulfills you and makes you confident. If a girl said that, that's just, don't tell me, don't tell me what journey. You're not. Don't tell me I'm still on my journey. Yeah, yeah. That's what I know you're not. You're on your journey.

I'm not on the journey. I'm at dinner with you. Like, here's our paths and there's where you. Not a band. That's it. Yeah. This is where I get off. This is where you get off.

But to be. But to be fair, Joy doesn't say the wild shit that we say really wild things. Yeah, it's a doubt. Hers is a little more calm. Unless they're like really a Steelers fan. I mean, oh my God. Man. But I mean, yes, it can lead to heartbreak, which, you know, leaves a void that I feel like only Jesus Christ can fill.

It's true. He is here for all. That was call back heaven. What a great full circle moment. That's also a part of where we're on different paths, you know. Oh yeah, we didn't give the guy His advice I think he's trying to figure out

How long his girl is trying to get over him But no, I think we gave him a good advice We don't know We yeah Depends on what happened What did you do to her? What did you do to her? What did you do to do?

What did you do? Or maybe he's the new guy He waiting for her to get over her own near Don't do that That's my advice Because he didn't add any context I felt like he was waiting On a chick that was

BUDD said something right there No that's what I thought the whole shit was Sometimes you be that nigga You'd be like yo like yo that niggas whacked. You got me waiting like, oh, fuck that niggas, man. I'm trying to go to church tomorrow.

What we doing? No, no. Don't be that person. Do not be the next, don't be the heartbreak person. It's not going to work out. Yeah. Don't be the heartbreak.

Don't be the heartbreak. Don't be the heartbreak healer. Don't be Sam Rothstein. Unless you. Never be Sam Rothstein. Unless you, Ginger's always going to go. She was a hoar.

She was a hooah. A hooah. Unless you're, unless you're comfortable with not ever getting a full version of that person. Yeah. Yeah, but Joy, sometimes you just want to go to Turks, though. That's what I'm saying, like, go to Turks. By all means, go to Turks.

But don't go with expectations. Don't go with expectations. Yes, okay. Oh, yeah, yeah. Because the pictures you take, she's going to send to him and say, look what you're missing out on. Hey, look, man. Allegedly, I've never done it.

Y'all be playing a dangerous game. Oh, hey, I take you on vacation. Them is my pictures. We play different games than y'all play. Oh, y'all games are way sick. Because y'all like to play with, y'all like to go all the way, like, y'all see death and y'all like to look at it. Whereas we know, like, we don't want to go to jail. I don't want to go to jail either.

Do you want to go to the cemetery? When it's time. What time it is? We all going to end up there one day. No, but I'm just saying, you playing with, like, when, like the marriage just said, I take you on vacation, you taking pictures, I'm taking pictures. I'm the photographer. And you sending the pictures that I took of you to your ex? And we're in international waters?

Why are you looking at me? I'm mad if y'all even laughed at that that was some funny. That's not even funny. That's not a bit of a joke. Like, what the fuck was that about? I think we're trying to have a serious conversation. You guys are laughing. Did we still have fun in Turks?

Oh, we had a fucking. This is why what you don't know? What you hurt you? It's not that I'm worried about. First of all, the photographer owns the photos. That's my IP. I don't care if you're in the photo. I own that motherfucking photo.

We can speak without speaking, is what just happened. Oh, no, I know y'all can. I know y'all spoke. And I heard it. But when I'm saying it was loud. Yeah, it was very loud. But it's just like, because we can't do that. As niggas, we can't do that.

I can't do stuff like that all the time. I can't put my feet in the sand and send it to my ex. That ain't fly. Why would you send a picture of your feet? So she'd know where I'm at. Toes in the sand. If your ex cared about you, she'd know where you was at. The fact that you got to tell her, she's over you.

She's going to see that coastline and be like, nigger. I know that ain't the vacation that I do. What is that? Why do you have to be crazy for men to feel like you can. about them mommy issues oh i don't feel like that i don't no i don't i don't play that crazy all the time they ask you never had a girl i never had he's never had a girlfriend he's never had a he's never had a fight with a girl never like nothing crazy like i've never experienced that type of relationship never no ma's strict not that i'm strict it's just that this is what it is and this is

what it ain't yeah but we can we're gonna have a we gonna have fun no she wears white after labor day and that's his that's his soulmate he's breaking up no that's that stupid i'm not that guy but i just don't because i think you know when it's getting you know when it's getting to that toxic point where it's like disrespect is coming in. And like we just saw the couple that he killed her after he got off live. He killed his girl. Then the cops was chasing him. He killed herself.

It's like a little more excessive than I think. But if you look at the IG live, they're arguing. It looks like it's playful. It's something. According to the comments, this is what they always did. Like they get on each other's live and start talking shit like, yeah, I caught him cheating. Now he mad. Da-da-da-da-da.

Yeah, you fuck that nigger. I ain't never touched no naked it was that type of relationship. Domestic violence and extreme abuser I think you can put it on. Murder suicide exists but that's just not really But what I'm saying is it starts someone. No, you're absolutely right.

It does. And I'm talking about sort of the like more the more gentle version of this. Not the starter kit for what you're saying. Dragging on a relationship of two people that shouldn't be together. Correct. Not that anyone's going to get harmed in it.

I called you 50 times. I called you 50 times private. Yeah. that's in that that's never had that yeah yeah i've always wanted do women not like i know women think we're dumb sometimes but why is this like the private 50 times oh i'm gonna answer the 39th one you've had someone call you 50 times 100% good for you and even after like the 50 never no you got to listen it's good yeah never i was in terms of it's no no no no baby d we can't do that Baby you can't ask you if it's good.

I was giving it up like Tyler Perry in the text message. That's nasty. 50 times. It's good. You're not calling some whack shit 50 times. It's crazy. Calling with your number, it getting blocked, and then calling from your home girl's number that I know blocked. And then a private number, like, I'm not going to understand the coincidence.

You answered eventually. A lot of that be ego, too, though. A couple days later, though. Y'all want the last little get-off. Like, y'all need that. Like, if the man got the last get-off in the whole back. and forth and block and all of that. Sometimes a woman's ego, like, no, he can't just.

Back in my toxic, back in my toxic days, my ego is the most important thing to me. Once I know I've lost like the love, the ego, I got to protect the ego. Yeah, see. Because I can't go outside like this. Even though no one's watching but God. I'm very egotistical. But what I'm not about to do is I'm not, I can't. Because I'm egotistical, I have a lot of pride.

So there's just certain things. like it doesn't matter what the fuck I want to do, you are not catching me outside acting like that. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. But then pride has not affected joy. Pride can turn on you in that way too, though. Because pride can be good in that instance of like,

I'm not even dealing with this shit. I got too much pride to do with the psycho. Also pride can be, I'm not letting this psycho get one up on over me. Let's go play in the mud. Yeah, I don't know. You don't want to play in the mud. You have to determine what the stakes are and what the win is. Like in any situation, you should ask yourself, what's the win here?

Like, worst case scenario, this best case scenario, that worst case scenario is pretty bad. It's probably for the best that you just leave that alone. Yeah. Or sing gospel on Instagram. Yeah. I mean, I don't, I hope you guys aren't speaking this over me because that's going to be a really irritating conversation. Because the last time this happened was actually happened with the podcast because we were

talking about this god awful splitting the bill conversation, which we'll never be free of. We'll never be free from this shackle. I had never experienced it. Like, I still haven't experienced it myself, but I, like, didn't even know this was, like, a real thing. Splitting the bill? Yeah. I mean, it's just, I mean, since, I don't know, it's still like,

she's still confusing to me. Like, it doesn't make any sense. Yeah. But. Niggas are stumbling to pick that checkup of joy. Like, yo, I got, I got, I got, I, I, yeah. I just, it's unimaginable. Have you ever, have you ever reached, like, pump fake reach for the bill?

For, for a, like, very clear date? Yeah. No. Never even pump faked. For what? Just to see? Just to kind of test where he was at. No.

Or a date, no. I've done it in my relationship. Yeah, like when you're in a relationship. We're not talking about in a relationship. About that stupid Twitter conversation. I'm talking about like you or like a man. I called you said, listen, let's go to dinner tomorrow. I want to take you to dinner.

And then you think we're splitting the bill. They're splitting the bill. Yeah. No, that's crazy. Because also it's like if I, like say I was like, you know, like I want to talk to you guys about like some business shit. Let's like go to dinner. I asked you like I'm going to pay for it. and write it off, obviously.

But like... Because they'll do that and still expect us to pick up the bill. And you... No, no. No one's raised right anymore. You're not serious. But I don't want to get to the splitting the bill conversation. I just couldn't believe it was like a real thing to people where I got outside doing.

Oh, yeah. And it happened to my girlfriend, and I told a story on the podcast, and people still bring this shit up to me. Like, people still bring it up to me. A young man walked up to me at an event, and he was like, you know, I got to ask you, like, are you serious about the splitting the bill conversation? And I was like, can I just have a follow up before I answer you? Like, how old are you?

And he was like, I'm 24. I said, baby, I'm 38 years old. Yeah. Be worried about nothing I'm doing. Like, with all due respect, you have so much more life to live. You and I will never be in that situation. I wouldn't do that to you. Now, unless.

But he should also have 24. I'm tricking. Which I'm out of the business of doing. So. You used to trick? The fine women be tricking. I'd be trying to tell y'all. Joy, when you was tricking, Joy, cut the shit.

More like, how I missed this? Yeah, when you was... I tricked so much in my life. Really? Yes. I'm tricked so much. Wow. I'm retired.

I will not be doing that no more. But yeah, for sure. It's fun sometimes. What's the most expensive thing you bought? Yeah, but what's the tricking? And what's the most... All right, two-part question. What's the most expensive item you bought?

And then what's the most amount of just cash or wire that you gave? Joy ain't never wired no, no money. I'm not buying that, Joe. It was your old son. It was your ozum. It was your ozum. It was your oz. Joy, you wired a man money

before? Haircut money or like wiring a nigger haircut money is hilarious. Just as cute, like cute. You can't, how, a wire. Cash app is wire now? Technically that's wire. Are you talking like Zelle?

Zell is a wire. Zell is officially a wire. Or do you feel like pay for a wire? Like I sent a wire today, I have to like pay for a wire. When you hit a high certain amount of money. Yeah, yeah.

Okay, but any type of exchange The fact that she's just know that let you know where she's playing at. Joy, how much money have you sent the man before? I mean, this isn't really fair. Like, in a relationship. Yeah. Relationship? In a relationship?

Or, like, off the rip. Off the rip? Because off the rip, I don't do. Okay. Okay. All right. All right. Can you trick in a relationship?

Women can. Men can't. Explain. Wait, let Joe, because this is a lot going to. Joy, you told you explain that day. Let me let me say this. I'm exaggerating the trick part of it. it. Okay. Okay.

These are black magic cameras. They saw that Twitch. They bought that eye. Yeah. They're eye. Okay. So if you like, if you are like support someone, is that tricking? Yes. Okay. Then yeah. Guilty. Support like pay rent? Yeah. That's your first ballot hall of fame trick. Is it? Joy, you ain't a whole. Hell yeah. You paid a man's rent before? That's first ballot. Like consistently like for months. The person that has their speech ready before they even get a duck on.

Not just like yo this month. I ain't got it. Joe, my my check coming in the next. my baby can you hold me down like well wait well I am through the mattress he was putting you I'm trying to find my way around there um do does does it count if you live there okay that's tricky that's tricky for the trick yeah um nah if you live no if you live there doesn't count if you you paid the whole rent it don't no no but that's your girlfriend what do you mean? Oh, it's not my boyfriend. Hell no. Oh, yeah. Um, well, did he like, take care of the kids? Like, you know, was he like, I don't have not one child. I don't have not, when they said, I don't have not one. Like, did he earn his keep? Did he earn his keep?

Did he earn his keep? Yes, he did. Okay. I don't know if that's tricking per se. And what's earning your keep? No, no, no, like, I've, I've definitely, I've definitely tricked before. But, you know, like, this is why, like, the dynamics of a relationship, are so complicated, like what a woman should do, what a man should do. That's why the splitting the bill conversation is so funny to me. Because I'm like, you guys are, everything is an absolute on the internet. I will not pay for a first day. The one's saying that or the ones doing it.

Right. Like, I don't, it's not even about like principle of like, I'm a woman, I shall not pay. It's like, I'm a busy person. Circumstances. Yeah, I get it. I take myself to rich auntie Mastro's dinners when I want to. Yeah. So if you were going to come to me and ask me for a night of my life, like when you think about the times that you've spent with people, like you gave them a day of your life.

Yeah, yeah. That's fucking crazy. Like one day you'll be on your deathbed hopefully and you'll be looking back like, damn, that motherfucker got eight hours from me. Crazy. I could use that right now. Right. Like, that's how I look at time. So if I'm going to have a dinner with you, like I'm going to sit across from you, listen to you, and you have asked me to do this, I think it's respectful that you pay for it.

Now, if you're 21 years old and you guys are just starting dating and you're just starting your careers, like that's a different conversation. We know what you're talking about that. I'm talking about me as a grown ass woman who has like businesses and three full-time jobs and an assistant like, no, what do you mean? Why would I be, why would I pay for you to eat food? Right. I could have just Uber eats and chilled him and watch Mobland.

Like that's not, this is not a good use of my time. And I just think it's more about respect than anything else. It's not even about like gender roles. Yeah. A great show. I like that mobland drop. You make sense. And you're definitely talking to the wrong people because we definitely believe in men paying for dates.

They pay for my food. They pay for shit. As they should. Yeah. I never understood why that was even like a conversation or debate on Twitter. But you know, I think it's also. People always thought it odd. Even when I was broke, I thought that.

But that's okay. That's okay. Yeah. I've been broke. We've all been broke. Yeah. But if you are broke, why are you dating? Why are you bothering people?

Why are you hungry? No, no. I mean, I'm not. No, I mean, it's understandable. But why are you worried about me being hungry? Yeah. Like this is you. You're worried about you.

Me's so first. I wasn't worried about paying for other people's food or not paying for food when I was when I was broke. I think it's in general though, like I feel like this is a little bit of a callback too. I just, I need to feel feminine. You know, like I just just, there's not a whole lot men can do for me. I always say like all a man can do for me is love me. That doesn't require money. Like it's about intentionality.

So it's really not about like, are we going to the nicest restaurant, which is nice and I appreciate. I know how much. But we go to some good hood spots too, though. Yeah, or that too. But like that too, like take me somewhere that is intentional. Like this is a spot I like, like, whatever. Take you into her work, you know. Yeah.

You like fried shrimp. Shrimp, it's the best fried shrimp in the hood right here. Let's go. That sounds like actually a more interesting time than going to a super expensive restaurant. But are you good in the hood? Because we might not make it bad out first. That's why it's more just.

You might not get out of it. A little rip. It's like little survival test. Yeah. Keep the car running. You might not. Took me to your ops hood to get shrimp. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I think you get your journey. There's a lot of like gender wars going on right now. They get clicks, but I get it's stupid. Before we let you go, I want to ask, because I have never been tricked on. Outside of what Damaris said, as far as the mattress, I don't want to get in that world, how do I approach a woman and ask her how to trick on me? Phone calls. I don't know anything about that.

Yeah. She wasn't tricking on me. She probably needed some money. They always do. How do I get a woman, how do I approach a woman in the tricking situation? So you want to, you want a trick? I've never been tricked on. That's the crazy question.

So you want a trick. But you didn't see this part. So you want to trick. At least by my standards. I don't think I'm a trick, but I do pay four things without. You want to be tricked on or you want to be a trick. I don't want to be a trick on. I've never been a trick.

I want a girl to trick on me. It's never happened. Oh. How do I go about doing that? You don't have the survival. anxiety to do that. Oh, to go through the mental gymnastics of accepting? You know, I don't think you're built for it.

Oh, yeah, no, I don't want to be. I don't want to be degraded. Yeah, you don't, it's not about being degraded. You don't like being bothered enough for, it's like, you wouldn't be able to give what was necessary for someone to do that. There's a certain level of, like, humility. Okay. Required for what you're talking about.

We can leave it at that. I know, I know what you're saying. You know what I'm saying? Does that's a gentle way of saying it? Yeah. I'm not getting paid. tell everybody the name of your podcast and where they can listen to it.

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