New Rory & MAL - Best of Rory & Mal: Week of 6/2

Episode Date: June 9, 2025

This week on New Rory & Mal, Godfrey joins the pod to rant about Katy Perry, Gayle King, and the cosmic c*nts that never went to space. Plus, Rory & Mal debate Complex's Best 50 Rappers from LA list, and review The Clipse's new single "Ace Trumpets" #volumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I came in here. they didn't get on the same path as me. That was the greatest podcast episode I've ever fucking seen in my life. Hold on, but before we get into that. Hold on, hold on. You guys are paying attention. But before we-

Paying attention. I watched the three fucking times. I subscribe to Professor Dave. I watched his YouTube shit to this day. He's not lying. He's dead serious. I came in here like, yo, have y'all seen?

What's up with you and Jamar on the fucking flat earth for society? What's going on with the flat earth? Earpice, can. This shit don't make no sense, can. Well, give some fuck about what the shape of the earth is, and this is supposed to be 5% peace of the gods and the earths.

And this is both of them about some flat earth. You know what motherfuckes talk when their breath go away? I don't get my fuck, man. This shit don't matter. Does it affect you going to the worst thing? The funny. The funniest part about all this is this originally was a Zoom episode.

We was going to have Gawfrey on Zoom. And I came in here, I'm like, I think Galfrey lives in my house. Why are we zoom in? And it was like, are you in? I said, yeah, man. He's like, yeah, I'm right here. I'm like, you know, he's like, you're going to come here.

And he's here in the studio. So thank you for coming by. Yeah, no doubt. Appreciate y'all. I know you guys. Sort of. Sort of. Because I was like, aren't you?

You're like, don't say. Don't fuck. It's all right, though. I do appreciate that you blindly accept podcast invitations. Because when we got on Zoom, you're like, ain't you the guys? Yeah. Coming over there. Yeah.

We appreciate. Yeah, because I watch, listen, regardless of what happens in this biz, you know, everyone's doing their thing, things happen. It is what it is, man. I mean, looking with the flat earth for shit. Yeah. I don't even spoken to him in, man, over, over the shape of the earth. That's what's hilarious. So you haven't spoken to anything?

No. Because I don't, I didn't do anything. Right. Well, here's the thing. Okay. He was like talking about the shape of the earth. And I go, all right. hey why don't you have

when we bring because we're going to bring Neil deGrasse Tyson on there okay because he said that he was going to debate him because Chuck Chuck Nice my man Chuck Nice is his co-host on his show Star Talk

I've done Star Talk with him I did also I did Neil deGrasson's Neil deGrasson's show on on Nat Geo okay we shot at the planetarium or eight you know so I know and I say yeah let's call Neil

the Gras because we want let's put a black man on there to talk to another black man right so and Neil deGrasse was too busy So he's like, well, this guy, Dave, the science communicator said, hey, man, I'd like to debate this dude. Go ahead. Well, you're leaving out apart. Because after you guys had that conversation, Professor Dave did his reaction video.

With a glass of cognac in his hand, which I grabbed some as well to watch that reaction video. We're all drinking out. I'm just like, oh, now I'm on board. Professor Dave is in the mix? Yo. So I was like, this is great. Yeah. It's science, man.

Right. It's a debate who gives a fuck. Right. And I go, hey, I got a guy. Of course, I didn't surprise him. Hesom, ta-da. We said, hey, would you like to? He goes, yeah, I'll come through.

I said, well, cool. And so he's on there. And remember, before he even got on the screen, yo, fuck that motherfucker. I was in his shot. I was like, oh, shit, uh-oh. So I just kept quiet. And I'm not trying to embarrass anybody.

You want to battle. And he said, I'll even go against Neil deGrasse Tyson. He's not a real astrophysicist. He's an actor. I was like, huh? Dude, he was, if you guys, I'm a real nerd. So Carl Sagan was the original Cosmos.

Carl Sagan, you know what Carl Sagan is? No. Well, Carl Sagan was the, well, Neil deGrasse Tyson hosts Cosmos. But the original host of Cosmos was Carl Sagan. This is white dude, dark cat. And I love Carl, I grew up on Carl Sagan watching Cosmos because I was into astronomy and shit like that. And so he was. Neil deGrasse Tyson's mentor.

Okay. And, you know, Neil DeGrasse is from the Bronx. Yes. And he was, when he was studying, you know, Neil DeGrasse is a, it was an all-state wrestler. It was a free, yeah, and when I got into science, I met, you know, Carl Sagan, he gave me like a blessing, boom, so, oh, that's how his life has been.

He's a real scientist. And so he goes, yeah, I'll, I'll debate anybody. And I said, cool. Right. This will be awesome. Yeah. And, and what's funny, he says, oh, I was just doing it for clicks. I go, who isn't doing shit for clicks? Right. That's how you live.

How you title that episode. I need clicks. That's how you get money. Right. And so he got on there. And when he said what he said before the guy got on, I go, oh, boy. So I just sat there and Dave stood his ground. Yeah. You know, and he went at him. And Dave is also a very, how do I put it?

arrogant yes arrogant with stipulations because what he's saying is factual but it can piss somebody off

just the way he's he's snarky yeah like well yeah you understand what a ball is idiot yeah yeah

it's gravity dumb ass he's gonna piss somebody somebody from new Rochelle he's gonna piss off the way he speaks yeah the way he's talking

yeah of course but when you're right you're right yeah that's my thing And I'm like, you handle this. I just want to watch. I'm not trying to go back and forth. Right.

You know, because I know science, but I'm not that deep in it like that. You know, but you really want to battle this flat earth shit. Because for me, I understand why flat earthers have come into play. I understand because we're lied to so much just in general. Everything lies to us. Lies to us about food. They lie to us about everything.

So I understand when people go, conspiracy theories. That's where conspiracy theories come from. Is there the presence of God? Is there such thing as a Jesus? You get it because motherfuckers lie a lot. So I understand the flat earth thing. Right.

And what's funny is there's some things about flat earth that makes sense. You go, you know what? That kind of makes sense. I like people that even if they're wrong, they have some shit that you go, well, wait a minute. Yeah. And so that makes for good conversation. Yeah. You know, I'm a good conversation.

And so, go ahead. What are you going to say? I'm a huge conspiracy theorist. Okay. They accused me of being a flat author for a long time. And granted, I went and went through the same YouTube rabbit holes that I'm sure Lord Jamar did as well. I was like, nah, that's probably bullshit.

But I still believe in a lot of other conspiracies. There was some stuff that made sense. Yeah. You know, perspective wise, okay, if this is this, why don't we see the curvature? Then I brought my buddy on my buddy Calvin Stiggy. He's a pilot, Jamaican. My boy's Jamaican is all hell. And he studied geospaced engineering, and he was, he protected Obama.

He was an Air Forceman. Like he did the Tom Cruise shit that he got to the tricks and all. So he goes, he goes, he said, blood clod, the earth is round. He's like, I've seen the culture. And on the Jamaican is saying that shit. Yeah, you got to believe it. When a Jamaican goes, I see no bumba clad. It was good.

I was on 80,000 felt bomb a clad. When they go bumbleclad. Bamba clot. You got to believe him. He said, dude, he said bumblecloth. Yeah, yeah. Vib said the same thing. He said he didn't kill that person.

I was on the ear. I swore up boom. I said, he said bumbleclat. It's real. It's real. Yeah. So there is curvature. It is what it is.

It's like because I don't know because I don't fly. I don't, you know, so what if, what if those pictures that we have seen of the earth are fake? What if they are? Because we don't, we're not satellites. We have, I haven't, I haven't, I'm not super. I'm not Superman where I can fly and go, ah, it is round. What if they're lying to us? Because we're here on the planet.

We don't know what the fuck they're doing up there. Right. They could be, I'm saying they could be lying. Yeah. With the moon landing, I, you know, the moon landing. I'm still on the side of them. I'm doubting that shit, you know, especially after those space cunts went up there. Yeah.

I'm sorry. The cosmic cunts. Yeah. Call them by the proper names. The cosmic cunts. The cosmic cunts went up. Did they go up? like they're

there was some air and there were some air first of all where's your helmet at minimum like first of all where's your pressure suit they didn't even have

at least motorcycle helmets I saw Armaged they could go like this on opening a wow we're in bed I'm just saying I don't mean to insult them but I was just like

and you and then you have fucking Katie Perry describing what the fuck happened I go why would you pick her. She's like, it was just love. It was love and connection and just love. And we were

just there and connect. What the fuck are you talking about? We're talking science. Like, hey, I felt the gravitational pull. And then Bezos's wife with that fucking, you would think that she had all that face shit done, that the gravity would have, her whole shit

would have been like, oh my God. The gravitational force is fucked my whole operation up. Her shit would would have been, like, she would have looked like a fucking yeah it was out no there was no effect on that yeah yeah so i was like we're and then we're like this we're in bath yeah if you're in space if you're on a high speed fucking train you're like this oh shit right if you're oh fucking grass you know i do you get off the fd off you're like oh shit god damn but you're in space and you're just going whew look at my daisy

Oh my God. And then they came out like, yeah. If you come from space, you're like, fuck. Yeah, that was like, you know. And then Bezos tried to open a door. They already opened it. It was like, fucking closing. Fuck.

Take two. He's like, we're, well, we saw it. No angst to make sure his wife is okay. And you know what? And then it's like, You can't, our bodies can't handle those kind of forces. You know, when you're in an airplane, 35,000 feet and your pressure. And then, come on, there's pilots that go higher than that.

Yeah. The fuck you talk. These pilots are up there with helmets on it, oxygen, and you, yeah. And you're higher than they are. But you're like, yeah, Speth. Yeah, yeah. The final frontier. Yeah.

These are the people. These are the people we chose. The motherfuckers are like, Spock. Yeah. We have to go in turbo. He's like this, Captain, I don't think we can make that. He's like, damn it, shit. Even on TV, this makes no sense.

We can't do that. Star Trek look like real space. Like, I don't think we can make it. I think that force will suck as in. Spock, we have to get there. Spock. Right? And these motherfuckers like, yeah, we were there.

It's love. It was Knotchian. Like it was brunch. It's not time for feminism in that high altitude. The fuck is wrong. There's no feminism. Is there any gender. in space.

Finally we consulted. It was connection. What the fuck? Not that she found about love up there.

It was the fact that she decided two days later that she needed to learn how to walk again. Did you see that concert? She was doing that

shit was trash. Her concert was garbage. Straight basura. That shit was so bad. She was a she was,

I said maybe she did go to space because she had rickets. They left her up. She's got a rick. Gravitational forces then fucked her knees up. Oh, my God.

When she was in that, dressed as a fucking, that was, at least she should have been dressed in that to go to space. Yeah. But they were all these sexy suits. And then there's Gail King, right? And there's Oprah's body double. And then there's, I call her Oprah's stunt double. Because if Oprah's like in a car scene and she rolls out, it's Gail.

Yeah, absolutely. I can turn in my head. Yo, it's Gail King. And then it's Gail King. And there's two scientists were real scientists. The girl that's the Vietnamese girl who was actually, you know, she was like sexually assaulted when she was a science. Yeah. She's gone through a life.

She's actually a real astrophysicist or whatever. And the black girl, it's the in the middle. There's the Vietnamese chick in the front that's the lowest and the black. They're two real astrocytes. So I think they brought them in to just keep the hoax going. But it was some bull. they went straight to Katie Perry first and I said, oh, this is bullshit.

They fucked up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she's like, it was just love and Knochchama. We're just that. She was on love. Gail, like, kind of had a little sassy attitude like once she was like this. She's like, have you been to space?

Then you tell me. I'm sorry. I eventually ask you what happened up there. But your friend is Jeff Bezos. Space cost a million dollars a team. I just did. I was just on kayak to get my ticket to go to North Carolina. What you talk about?

I was using my flyer miles and negotiated just trying to go a two hour flight and you're talking about have you been to space? That's what I knew it was bullshit. I'm sorry, have you been to space? So when you get to space, let me know. Have you been to space?

No, we haven't. You're the only ones that have obviously been there because we have what you were. That's why you know what the fuck you're talking about. Right, right. Flint doesn't have clean water and you went to space for funzies. Oh my God.

I totally forgot about it. that. That Flint didn't have clean water? No. I went to Flint. I'm talking about this space voice that Gail King and him went on. Because remember she had the interview she goes, people don't believe it. Have you been to space? If I have a friend named Jeff Bay, a friend of Jeff Bezos, I'll go. Right. And he'll pay for my day. But you didn't go to space. Have you been to space? You obviously haven't either because you're not explaining anything to us. You could have been like, well, the gravitational forces. It was really amazing. We saw, then we saw cosmic dust and just some space talk. Like, you could be at least like, we

I think we saw like Haley's comic come by. Right. And we saw, there's an asteroid. We were able to see, you know, the moon and the craters. And da-da-da-da. I mean, I know some science. Like, tell us something. Right.

You were like this. Have you been to space? Well, if you don't know space, shut your ass. And you know how they use the word space now just in. I just love this space that we're in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, that's what that was. We were in a space in space.

It was sort of a same. space and space, which was sort of space like in a space craft. So everything's about space. Everything's about space. It was so spacey that I'm space from the space. And in this space, I was able to really be in a safe place for space. And this is a good working space for me. And you know, and people who don't know about this space know nothing about space. So where are you on the side of the flat earth thing? I still want to take Lord Jamar to Antarctica. do you remember when they did the experiment they'd recently

the dude paid $35,000 a piece for these flat earthers to go to because they say that Antarctica there's an end in Antarctica there's some other like big fucking land okay there's a wall yeah so this dude's like I'm gonna take it right

I'm gonna take you I'm serious there's a Rothschild Island right there's rock go to Google Maps is there a Ross Island? In Antarctica, yeah. I believe that, though. No, it's a fact. Snow Castle? Listen, I'm saying that the Earth is round. I'm also saying that the Rothschild's own an island in Antarctica.

And I believe that. And I believe that. Along with that. It could be the Sorososos, the Rothschild, the Rockefeller. Yeah, I believe all that shit. Now, but as far as like, he goes, okay, I'm going to take you guys to Antarctica, fly you all out. This guy, scientists, paid $35,000 a piece. I got the money. And then we're going to sit. there and watch the sun. If the sun stays in the air, stays out for 24 hours, it the Earth's round. They were like, okay, bet. And they camped out, that fucking sun stayed there. And they were like, that's CGR, that fucking AOT. They were there. They took like flat earther influencers. Like, they took the Kendall Jenner of Flat Earth down there. Right. And then when they got there, there was like, you know, now, the 24 hours son exists. Like we, yeah, yeah, it's real. Then they exiled them like some Scientology shit. Like they kicked them out of the flat earther community.

Yeah, they're out. Because they were like, guys, I was there. I promise you, that was not. And they were like, it's round. Earth is round. It's right. We were wrong. Sinata kicked out of the fraternity.

Yes. They kicked out of here. You think it's fucking wrong. You think it's a sphere. You're out of here, asshole. And the internet is just the worst place because when I was even- That's how they make their money, though. When even looking at the flat earth shit,

when I started on that rabbit hole, they were telling me like, yo, there's no flights from Argentina to Australia. And I was like, damn, why is that the case? Then I went on price line. I'm like, no, you can fly. They just put out misinformation as a fact. And if you don't double check it,

you just... Delta doesn't go to Trinidad. I just found out yesterday. They don't. So it's got to be a triangle. You look at the flag of Trinidad. Jet blue does. Yeah, you can get there.

You just not on their route, but... They saw the lines. Yep, Blue has more lies. Now we're going to treat that. At one flat earth or rabbit hole I went down, they showed footage of everyone taken off from Australia. And they said, they were forcing everyone to put the windows down so you couldn't see. Yo, but these, you know, I got to get. I got to get it right now.

I got to give credit to Flat Earthers that keep going. They'll go like this. But no. And how, uh-uh. How come the wing was tilted? Yeah. Guess what that means? that's the flat earth

the grab. And then we were talking about there was a thing about buoyancy, you saw that? Yeah, of course. Okay, how come when you dip a, you put water in a ball, a ball, a ball, a ball in water, like a tennis ball, and you spin it, the water comes off. How come it does it, the water doesn't fly off the earth? He goes, hey, dummy, because the earth

is a gigantic fucking mass, a humongous mass. And gravity exists. And there's a you know, there's a force that keeps us down. You know, when you throw a ball up, it goes fucking down. Yeah. It's like, well, you know where down is? Remember, he's like, do you know where down is?

And in buoyancy, in the equation, if you can even pop it up, the equation for buoyancy, there's a G for gravity on the other side of the equal side. Right. A G is in the equation for buoyancy. Right. It's in the equation. Why do things float? There's gravity.

Right. in the equation, go ahead. I'm stupid. So it's not like I'm sitting here like I know everything. No, me either. But this shit makes more sense to me than someone just screaming, hey, a ball can't, what's their famous line? Can't hold water or whatever the fuck they say?

Right. And I'm like, no, when they said it, I was like, hmm, that's a great point. And it was easily disproven right here. It's a great point. I have a lot of love and respect for Lord Jamar. I don't want to make, I don't want to make. I don't want to make it seem like I'm not a lot of large more. I was on his side in the beginning and I thought in the like, yo, listen, you making up some great points.

And then Professor Dave just was like, dog, all right. Let me break this down for you. And Neil DeGrasse Tyson, you know, have you heard when him and Terrence Howard wrote some stuff, some scientific theories? And Terrence is like, I believe that that the planet, there's no such thing as zero. Because if you see, I've done a lot of calculus. You know, he sounds like light skin. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He sounds light skin.

I love Terrence Howard. He sounds light skin, though. I sound like a dark skin. He sounds light skin. See, um, nobody dark skin sounds like that. He hits essence. Like every light skin. Here's the thing, though.

You have to understand the philosophy and astronomical calculation. I've done this for a long time. He sounds like skin. That's what a low about him. But he ain't no joke, though. He don't play that bullshit, though. That motherfucker will smack shit out of somebody. He's real deal.

He ain't no fucking, he ain't no punk. That's one thing. Whether he was playing a pimp, a rapper, he's fucking amazing. He wears the same thing and looks exactly the same. Every role, it doesn't matter. And I love him to be that guy. The United States.

Hey, man. That Batman thing where he meets Batman, like he goes, oh, what's out, Batman? He goes, it's Batman. Okay, Batman. That's what I said. I said Batman. I said Batman.

That shit is. hystericala. But when you say things with conviction, like he does. Right, because Neil the Grass actually looked at the paper he wrote and said, I looked at it, but I just didn't have time to, you know, but there's some things that he said that didn't, they weren't right. But I give him credit for his effort. You know, there's this thing they call, what's the theory they call where you,

you think you know enough, you think you know something, but you don't have enough information to really know. and you don't know what you're talking about. There's a theory. Was it called? No, it's not cognitive dissonance. It's, um, shit. Um, it's, it's a theory where you, you, you, narcissism.

You don't know. No. That's a good one, right? Where you, where you have, you think you have a certain amount of information to make you think you know everything, but you don't have enough. Something like that. The district attorney. The district attorney. Puffy's lawyers.

Okay, read that. Can you read that? The phrase you don't know what you don't know highlights the limitations of human knowledge and the potential for gaps in understanding. It emphasizes that there are often things we are unaware, we don't know, which can lead to misunderstandings or flawed assumptions. Right. So it's that.

And so Neil DeGrasse said, that's what he has. He has that. That's what he has. but I love his, but we're scientists. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We do, we've done experiments over and over and over. Right. We, this is what we do.

And I'm not knocking him, but what you're talking about is wrong. Right. Because I'm a fucking scientist. That's like telling him about acting. Right. Like, Terrence is an amazing actor. That's like me telling you about acting. You don't know it like I do.

Right. And so it, so that was really interesting that, you know, And my thing is science is there to be debated. What's wrong with that? There's nothing wrong. Even though they've since the days of Einstein and Boer and all these scientists that have, you know, they have all these different types of, they have their own theories. They have their own calculations and equations.

Even back then, these are, I mean, Madam Curie, they all did science experiments over for tons of them. So these motherfuckers know what they're talking about. And it's okay to debate them. Just be ready for, ready to get started. Right. Just be ready to be wrong. This is their actual job. Right.

Just get ready. You know what I'm saying? It's like getting in a scene with Denzel and be like, I know how to act. All right. Are you sure about that? Are you sure? Huh? So what are we going to do?

We're going to work. You're going to keep your mouth shut. Is that what you're telling me? You think you know, you know. And now I'm sitting here like, I don't know how to act. Yeah. He said, what do I need to do to be a comic actor? He said, learn, shut up, turn off your phone.

Practice, train, right? It was, who was a Menace Society, who directed that? Which brothers? Hudlin? No, not the Huddn. I think it was the Hudlin. Yeah, I think it was. Was it Hudlin brothers?

No. Oh, no, was it, was Bill Duke? No. The Society is the brothers. You know you're fucked up. You know that one, right? Bill Duke was the one. It was the one.

The Hughes brothers. The Hughes. Bill Duke was the one who said, you know, you don't fuck it. Yeah, he was in it. He was actually in it, yeah. So, Alan Hughes was doing it. a podcast, I think it was like with Neil Brennan maybe, and was talking about directing Denzel for the first time. And any time he had any type of note or real direction, Denzel would just

yell, 32, 32. He'd do it for the whole week. And then Alan Hughes realized he was saying the amount of movies he's done and saying, shut the fuck up. 32, 32. Like, don't tell me what the fuck I'm doing right now. That is. Oh, yeah. Leridge. 32. Dinner for a whole week. He thought he was calling an honorable.

Yeah, yeah, no. He thought he was calling an honorable. 32. Set. 3-5. Hit 5. 32. 32.

Crazy. You know that last one I lie? I's like, shut the fuck up. Yeah. Let me do what I do. You just saw me in a gang of movies. Right. Got an Oscar real quick.

Right. Let me do what I do. You know what I'm doing. Everybody's like, he's like, Dens. Can you like, no? Yeah. No, I can't. Do you see me directing you?

Nah? Nah? You know, it's in that 30... That's a lot of talk about to. It happened to me. I was on a set and when it comes to comedy, like, I just feel like most people can't tell me. What's the difference for you between, let's say, stand up and then actual...

Situational comedy. Yeah. It's, it, I can, I'm good at both. You know, not everybody. A lot of comedians. can transfer into acting. That's one thing. A lot of comedians can go from stand-up

to like sketch comedy and stuff like that, because we have that timing thing. We do character work on stage, so we can adjust easier. I'm not saying we're all going to be the greatest at it, but that's why they pick a lot of comics

on a lot of sketch stuff because we kind of know, because a lot of sketches come from comics that they've watched. They'll steal a joke and just extend it into a sketch. You feel me? Yeah.

So a lot of times, a lot of writers from the SNLs or whatever will go to comedy clubs to get premises. Oh yeah, and you'll go, wait a minute, that looks like my shit. You know what I mean? So that's why we're real, we can think in sketch too.

Because a lot of comics are writers. You got Michael Chey, you got Colin Jost, they're all comics. Yeah. You know, a lot of my comic friends write a lot of sketches. They're all comedians. Even though John Mullaney was the head writer SNR-R-X. Sketch?

Yeah, but he's stand-up. So a lot of us are stand-up. Colin Quinn was a stand-up. Dennis Miller, a stand-up stand-up. So, we can get into acting. A lot of comics can become dramatic actors, too. You can, because we're angry. First of all, we're fucking angry. Comedy comes from anger, pain, and shit like that.

You look at some great actors, Robin Williams. You look at Michael Keaton was a stand-up. Really? What? Nate? Yeah, Michael's stand-up comic. Michael Keaton, who's one of the best, greatest actors. Michael Keaton was a stand-up. Kevin Pollock's stand-up. Who else? Richard Pryor was a good actor Richard Pryor could act his ass off

You got Eddie Murphy You got we can keep going There's a lot of standups That can become actors Rosie O'Donald was a stand-of comic Roseanne Barr stand-up comic We could just It's easier

It's harder for an actor to do comedy Oh yeah for sure But drama It's easier for us to get into that shit We've seen Robert De Niro Try to be a comedic actor For the last 20 years Because, but what's great, he's fun.

Like, listen, I like me the parents too. But he, but he, we got to stop here. I'm trying to be a comedian. There was a show called the actor's studio. Yeah, I remember. With James Lipton. Yeah. I love that.

Favorite Chappelle interview. Chappelle did it. Yeah. And he asked De Niro, what's the hardest thing for you as an actor? He goes, comedy. It's so difficult. Denzel said it. Comedy.

Kim Bassinger said comedy. It's harder than drama. And it doesn't get rewarded the way. should be. I think a funny movie should be rewarded for, because that's hard. Because you already go into, when you're going to go see a funny funny movie, you already got attitude. This should better be funny. Right, right.

Shit, fuck that, you know. You don't go into the drama going, I better cry like a bitch. Because the notebook had me snotting bubbles, baby. I better cry like a bitch. I better cry like a bitch. Do I want to lose breath in this motherfucker? You never do that. Yeah, duh. You just go drama's a drama. You don't always go.

funny unless you wouldn't even funny yeah it's way harder yeah because there's an expectation yeah you know with drama you can have laughter you can hear if you cry you could hear comedy's like i just i can't i come for one fucking reaction so you grew up you grew up in chicago yep what's the is it tougher like the the comedy scene the comedy clubs in chicago is it tougher than new york or is new york by far the toughest city for comedy right now i don't know the the landscape of comedy as far as coming up because I'm like I've been doing it over 25 years so I don't, but I knew

in Chicago, I mean New York had just more stages. Okay. New York and I'm coming up during the death jam times and it was, I don't lie, the urban shit was wild as fuck. Like, these New York motherfuckers were like, boom, I don't give a fuck.

Yeah. I'd even go up. Yeah. They went to boo. They'd be like, I'm just letting you know what's about to happen to you, son. Don't be corny out of his, son. What a God, son. All you see was Pele, Pele jackets and fucking Echo jackets and shit like that. This is like this, shit.

Make me laugh. Make me laugh. Like, ain't you on a date? Man, you go there in the other mother who's just like this. Yeah, all right. You're like, damn, son. What the fuck? You were Brooke.

I did all. But in Chicago, we had our urban circuit because I came under Bernie Max Club. So it was me, Dion Cole. I would see Deon Cole, Corey Hocom, D-Ray Davis. I see Mike Apps would come from Indianapolis. Cedric would come from St. Louis.

So we was under Bernie Mac shit. So we were doing urban, like Chicago urban scene was like, you know, we had Bishop Don Juan. You know, the guy that hangs out with Snoop. I know him before Snoop, though. He knew me as an amateur. When I shot SoulPlaying with Snoop, Bishop came on the set and greeted me first. Wow. He came on.

He said, baby, man, I'm proud of you, baby, man. Man, I remember when you first started, baby. He represents Chicago. Yeah. And Snoop was like, how fuck you know? I said, I'm from Chicago, Snoop. He goes, that's why I fuck with you, dog. Yeah.

I love Chicago. I said, yeah, we used to do pimps shows in Chicago where the pimps who come, Bernie Mac, and it would be the Chicago Bulls when we was winning. Yeah. When we was giving the next hand in that day age, boy. A lot of years of that. A lot of years of that. That was the greatest playoff shit.

ever. But that was the time when I was coming to New York wearing Jordan T-shirts, just being an asshole. And Katz was like, no, fuck you, man. I go, yo, I'm not playing in the game, bro. Go say that to Jordan, man. Say it to me. I'm right here telling jokes, bro.

I did shit like that. I dug myself in a hole every time I'd be wearing Jordan's shit. Like Jordan had real special, like he had a store. It was Jordan's head of restaurant in Chicago. And there were T-shirts you could only get from that store. So I would buy these exclusive. So I had one where he's a cyborg, Jordan, the greatest. And I came on stage with that

shit in Brooklyn. I was in Brooklyn. I think I went up after Chappelle or D.C. Benny went up. They was like, you'll fuck Chicago. I go, you're losing. It does no good. Jordan's still going to score 50. You being mad here at this comedy show is going to do you no good, my friend. He will still score 50. Did you know the only reason why you're in Madison Square Garden is for Michael Joe. Exactly. Don't forget. Exactly. We go ahead. Did you know in Chicago at that time? Because that list you just named off coming under the Bernie. This is all Bernie Mac. Bernie Mac was like the guy. And my boy Evan Lionel, Evan, my big brother is the one that got Bernie up. That hooked Bernie up. People don't know

Evan. Evan's like this old Chicago dude, my big brother, who started like the black comedy circuit when he was in college and just put me, he was the first guy to put money in our pockets. And he's the one that brought Bernie into the scene. Yeah. Okay. He got footage on Bernie doing open mics. Wow. He got shit on Bernie doing open mics. I've seen it. When Bernie wasn't rich, when Bernie was just funny with his little glasses and shit, some of my bitch.

Fuck your motherfucker. Yeah. Yeah. He got footage on all of us when we first started, Evan Lionel. Remember that name. He's the one that stopped Bernie from a life of crime. He's the one that went to high school with Bernie, Chicago Vocational High School, Bernard McCullum. You know what I mean?

He said, Bernie, man, come do my shows, do that. You're talented. That's the dude we need to talk about. Evan Lionel, for real. He brought us all into that, you know what I'm saying? He's still in L.A. And anytime Chicago, anything that happens with Chicago, we always let him know, wow, I'm in town.

You know, he looks out for Chicago shit. So D. Ray, all of us came through there. I saw everybody. D.L. Hughley came through to everybody. Then we had a club called All Jokes Aside, which was an all black comedy club for, for like seven years and it was all black

and it wasn't black night at a white establishment because most of the black nights are at a mainstream establishment. Urban nights. I'm sorry. The urban people nights. The rough nights

economically. But what's funny is the urban nights are what keeps the clubs open. Absolutely. They make the most money but they won't say anything about that Because it, and, and what's funny is most of the African-American headliners are the reasons why a lot of these comedy clubs survive.

It isn't the white ones. It isn't the, uh, like it's like the black ones always kept shit going because the urbanites made. It was pat. Yeah. Because it was like, ooh, this is our night, you know? And, um, yeah, that's, that's where we, that's where I came from watching all of the, Mark Curry. I just watch all the greats come through there, man. Like, it was like, holy shit.

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Fuck the plans they had. We need to argue about what Complex has to say. Even if it is a third party writer 1099 that doesn't even work. Does anyone even work at Complex anymore? I think it's bots. They just make, they just do an AI generated lit. Like what would piss the time? Chatubit, what would piss the timeline off?

Shout out of Jordan. Just leave Tupac off. That's what ChatGBTGBT's put up. Well, to be fair, Pock. is not from L.A. Which we'll get there. Complex, best L.A. rappers of all time list. I don't know if this is going to start the city-by-city thing that we're going to get for the

rest of the year, but I'm not mad at them starting with L.A. We'll just go through the top five real quick. Well, the funny thing... Go ahead. Because this is the top 50 L.A. rappers, right? Yes. A lot of these rappers are not from L.A. They're from California, but they're not from Los Angeles.

So how are we, you know what I mean? That's when I saw the list out, like I looked at it. I was like, okay, but they're saying from L.A., a lot of these guys are not from L.A., like Snoop is from Long Beach. Kendrick is from Compton. You know what I mean? It's kind of like where we...

Okay, I see what you're saying, but if they did the greatest New York City rappers of all time and Jadakis was on the list, I wouldn't be like, no, he's from Yonkers. I wouldn't say that. He's still New York City rapper. Long Beach is still Compton. I understand that those are not in the L.A. County, or maybe it is L.A. County, but it's not a Los Angeles address.

Compton is its own city. Long Beach is his own city. It's still the L.A. greater area, I feel like. I mean, I just know people from these places that they've had these same. Like, yo, we're not L.A. That's not L.A. He's not from L.A. He's not from L.A. They're saying this. Like he's not from L.A. He's not from L.A. Where he's from, they don't even fuck with L.A.

Like, it's a lot of that going on. Of course. And I get that politics, especially with L.A. of any other city. But not even to get on the Amaretta shit, but like, if they were to do the best rappers from Atlanta, Andre 3000 can't be on it now because he's technically not from Atlanta. Well, that's why you go best rappers from California.

No, but then that's insane because you're getting into the bay. Like, that's a big. California is like the third biggest state. That's crazy. Okay. Yeah, I'm not here to nitpick, but I'm just, you know, was reading the timeline and seeing what people were saying, that's all. Like, if we can't have Raq Kim on the greatest New York city rappers?

Why wouldn't you? He's from Long Island. Exactly. That's New York, though. It would be New York City. It wouldn't be New York City. It would be New York. Oh, then if we get into New York State, then we have to put in Griselda there.

Yeah. Okay. All right, cool. So just state by state you would do? I would just do the whole New York. Okay. No, I'm not mad at that. Fair enough.

Some niggas from Binghamton who get it in for sure. From Binghamton? Like rapping? No, no, she said get it in. She's not talking about rapping. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah. I know if you niggas that's moving a few bills out there.

I know, I know there's some, who's rapping from Binghamton? Like, I missed that whole, that movement. I'm just saying, you know. I get Rory's point, though. I was more so on the side. of the rappers that are straight up not from the L.A. area, period. Okay. So we'll get at least to the top five,

and then from there, I think it brings up immediately somebody that's really not. So at number one is Kendrick Lamar. Number two, Snoop Dog, three, Ice Q, four, Dr. Dre, five Tyler Crater, six, DJ Quick, seven Ice-T, eight be real, nine EZE, 10 Nifty Hustle. Out the gate, to your point, mall. I know Ice-T very much made his,

career on the West Coast and is a representation of the West Coast. He's from New York, New Jersey. He would be. Ice tea would be from New York, New Jersey. Why do you say that? Because he acts like he's from Newark, New Jersey. That makes so much fucking sense. Because he likes white girls?

No, not just that. Because he pimps out white girls? Because the type of, you know, we love Coco. Of course. How do you feel about the top 10 outside of the regional debate between ICE tea and Newark, New Jersey? I don't know, I just think having game not in the top ten is blasphemy. I completely agree with you. You know, Dennis, the more I look through the list.

Who would you replace them with? Game? Yeah. I think game can be in the top five. Who would you replace them with the top five? I'm fine with Tyler going down to six. If I'm keeping their order and just bumping where game should be, I am not mad at the top five

if it's no matter the order Kendrick Snoop Ice Cube Dr. Dre game I think that is a very fair fair top five Before we do that What is the criteria? Are we just talking to? It's complex so you never get one

Okay So we don't know what the criteria is because As much as I hate BDOT's list At least he puts a criteria at the bottom And says it's because of these things Complex is just throw shit out Okay And makes us all argue without any context

No context and complex Is what happens every time No, they know that we're going to do what we're doing. See me on our platform and dissect this list and keep saying complex over and over and over. Exactly. We stuck to three core principles when sorting our ranking. This is coming from complex. Skill as a hip hop artist, strength of a catalog, commercial impact and lasting influence.

They say by skill, they mean the entire rap package, delivery, presence, pin game, overall artistry. They're focusing strictly on rappers. So while artists like Nate Dogg and Tye Dallas are iconic L.A. artists, they're fundamentally singers, not rappers. So hip hop skill, strength of a catalog, commercial impact, and lasting influence. If you're focusing just on rappers and skill then, is Dr. Dre and EZE allowed on the list as they do not write their own raps? And have both admitted that and it's like, I'm fine with it. I don't really care. They made incredible music and are the two probably biggest icons in the LA rap scene ever. But if you're going off skill of

rapping off their criteria, not mine. Well, let book. Dr. Dre and EZE, are they allowed to be on the list? Yes, because they explain that by skill, they mean the entire rap package, delivery, present, Pingame, and overall artistry. It takes more to be a rapper than. I agree. But if you're taking out one complete pillar where every other person on this list.

The PIN game is the biggest. That's the biggest part of rap. Every single artist on here would cover every single pillar, period. Those two, an entire pillar. is gone. Like gone, gone. And the pillar, if you, if we, the pen is the pillar. Like, as a rapper, that's what you have. You have your pen is your sword. Like, if you want to talk about the two most important people in LA rap history, Drey and Easy, and I'm fine with that. But if you're going off that criteria, I don't know if Dr. Dreany Easy are allowed on this list. I think they're

allowed on the list. I just don't think they should be as far up. Game not in the top 10 is crazy. I mean, that's, that's to me, we could just talk about that. Take out the pillar shit and it should be Kendrick, Snoop, Ice Q, Dre, and Game for sure. I don't know L.A. politics. I'm not from over there. Is there just like, do they hate game? Because I feel like he's so disrespected by L.A., but so uplifted by New York in other places. So that's why, is it a thing or? I mean, game, I wouldn't ever discredit what he was doing in the Bay and in L.A. before he broke with G-unit,

but I mean, why I think Jimmy even put him with G-unit outside of G-unit being on fire at the time is that he sounded and rapped like he was from New York. Of course, he sounds like he's from L.A. Don't get me wrong. I get what you're saying. The way his delivery and lyrical content, when he was on Clue tapes, if he didn't constantly say where he was from,

I wouldn't immediately believe that he wasn't from New York. I think he's even talked about that. He rapped like he was from New York. And I think that's probably why we all gravitated to him so much. And I think the record that made him pop per se was what? The Jim Jones

certified G's or whatever? Which I mean has... Game? Yeah. Which has L.A. aspects, but he was with Jim Jones when the world was really introduced to him, not just L.A. So I think New York has always had a

better appreciation for game than maybe the rest of the country. But I hear you. but if that's the case then Tyler the creator doesn't always sound like he's an LA artist he does sound like he's an LA artist but he doesn't always sound like he's an LA

definitely led the newer generation of LA they call it weird I wouldn't call it weird but that separate like this isn't the stereotypical LA scene he led that for sure which is where you get some of the new scene now but game at the time

LA had been non-existent for quite some time Gang single-handedly brought the West Coast back and put a bunch of people on this list including the number one artist on their first mixtape, on their first tour. Nipsey, everyone, like Game not only did that shit by himself, he brought a bunch of people with him.

He wasn't on some selfish, it's just me. Like, I remember Game mixtape shit when K.D.T. He was meeting with Top with the J-Rock shit. Like, game, if he's not top five, the only other way he could be was higher. Vince State was at number 23. It's pissing me off. Let me just go ahead and say it.

He needs to be a lot higher. Say the pillars again? The pillars are skill, like total skill, strength of a catalog, commercial impact and lasting influence. And I think number three might be... The commercial impact is right. Might be what's keeping him. Who has...

All right, look at the people ahead of Vince and who has more commercial impact in him. Who has a better catalog in him? Catalog, you're going to be tough. Yeah. Schoolboy does have a great catalog. YG. does. Yeah. But I love Dom Kennedy. He's not above Vince Staples. Someone could argue with commercial appeal and... Vince Staples? Dom has a great catalog.

Vince Staples has a great catalog and he has a Netflix show. Fair. That's not commercial appeal. But they're focusing on the rapper. Come on, man. Vince need to be higher than that. I appreciate Nipsey being at 10, outside of him just being above the game, which is kind of nice. If Nipsey does not pass, is he at number 10? Lasting influence, I fully understand.

Let's deal with what's tangible. I mean, over game is insanity. But even over YG? Game? Nipsey. Respectfully. Y'all got to go to L.A. in a couple days. I'm not suggesting that Nipsey.

does not belong on this list whatsoever. He has hit every criteria there, but I don't know if against YG with everything, if we're going off what they said, not off what the allure of everything is to the public. So we've had this conversation before when people say that Jay-Z wouldn't be J-Z if Biggie had never died, but we'll never know because Biggie died, right? So we'll never know if people would have, if the mass majority of America would have noticed how talented Nipsey was because he was severely underrated before he passed. We don't know if they would have eventually figured that out. They could have eventually figured that out.

He could have had a hit that went off. Everybody went back to his catalog and said, oh my God, Nipsey has been one of the greatest for so long. That could have happened. Or he could have continued to be underrated. We will never know because he did die. Of course. And let me be clear, I think the Victory Lap album was the one that was going to start his rise.

I think that's when he finally got the commercial recognition that he deserved. He was about to be the intro of a Caled album. Like, yeah, Nipsey was on his way for sure. I'm not saying because he passed, that's when everyone started to give a fuck. I'm not saying that whatsoever. But over somebody like game and YG,

by those criteria is a little crazy to me. Even schoolboy, if we're going to get into it. As far as the older acts, I saw a punch tweet something. I wish they'd do it in eras. I agree with them, because it is very tough to compare corrupt to Vince Staples. It's just completely different times

It's odd I don't even know how you would go about this I also don't even know how you put a list like this together To begin with but You know Chat GBT GBT Chat GBT You know how to put it together man

If we're going off skill alone The fact that blue is at 49 is insane The fact that crooked eyes at 46 is nuts Will I am I think most of his impact Did not come from any anything rap related whatsoever. I thought Raskast was from the bay.

I don't know. I could be wrong. I don't know what they're doing with this list. Dragio the ruler, for impact, everyone in L.A. raps like him. You could make a case that he could be a little higher when it comes to impact. L.A. going to kick our ass because they probably going to be like, no, you're wrong. You're fucking wrong. All of L.A. was saying they were wrong.

I mean, shit, game included. Didn't game put his own list together? Game did put his own list together. Which is such a game thing to do, and I appreciate when game does stuff like that. They got game outside the top ten, which is crazy. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Outside the top five. It feels disrespectful, and that's why I'm wondering if there's like an underlying issue.

Before we get to games, is it weird that Tupac is left off when people like... Ice Tee. Icy. Who's from Philly, but of course moved to L.A., and that's where he, you know, made his career. exhibit is from like Detroit and New Mexico like literally not from L.A. whatsoever. She's from Albuquerque, you're right? Like when you have people like that on there

but then say Tupac isn't there, I can see why that would upset people. Even though Tupac maybe lived in L.A. for like four, I think I've lived in L.A. longer than Tupac did. Like I've stayed at the Mondrian longer. And I always felt like Tupac, if he was claiming the West Coast, was more the Bay than he was Los Angeles.

So they talked about that as well. In the article, they said that this putting this list together wasn't easy. L.A. is a transplant town. So what qualifies someone as an L.A. rapper? They said, for this list, it's an artist who creatively came to life in the city and reflects its ethos and their music. That's why some big names didn't make the cut. Tupac may seem like an L.A. rapper, but he only lived in the city for a couple months. Although he had some big hits under the Defro banner, he was a fully formed platinum-selling

artists by the time California love came out. So I think why they left some transplants on there and not Tupac is because Tupac was already a fully formed artist before he moved to L.A., whereas the rest of them came up in L.A. So I feel like that's fair. I'm not terribly mad at that. And again, if it was California, I'd be fine with Pock there because he spent so much time in the bay and that's where he started. His rap career for real was in Oakland, Marin County. So all right, I'm not mad at Complace. That's not why they left Pac off the list. Why?

His first rap name was MC New York. That's true. You can't have a rap on your top L.A. list of all time, and his first rap name was MC New York. Yeah. Okay, but, all right. It can't do that. Just because you had a nickname like, find me the vinyl press of the MC New York record.

Like, yeah, that was a thing he said. Somebody, he said that in his head when he got to Baltimore. Like, that doesn't mean that was your rap name. I mean. You can't find it. MC New York songs. So now you're saying, now you're telling Tupac

what his rap name was. See, that's what you white people do. That's true. That's true. That's true. I'm fully disagreed with what his mother was doing and everything.

Like, I'm just saying, he said his rap name was MC New York. Yeah, but you can have a name just because you can't go find a vinyl with Tupac. Because he didn't recording music under that. Exactly.

But I'm just saying that maybe that might be while complex was like, nah, we can't do that. Okay, but based off what they're saying about exhibit, um, Corrupt. Yes, those guys moved to L.A.

And that is what started their rap career. I'm sure Corrupt was rapping when he was in Philly when he was a kid, but you can't find those. So I'm fine with that criteria. Tupac got to the Bay, got with Digital Underground, and was Tupac. He wasn't MC New York with Digital Underground. He was Tupac. So I don't think it's because that was his name. I think it was because he really honestly spent like six months in L.A.

he wasn't like really there he was with a gang from there so where is he from I think Pac is one of those hybrids that just moved around that's one of those people you can't really say where they were from

I think that's why he's like not not like click hopped but he did yeah I don't I don't think he ever really had a place that he could call home that's why he rode for death row so much because he finally found a group of people

that he could like also had his back. He went from New York to Baltimore to fucking Marin to Oakland, then to jail, then to fucking L.A. and then Vegas. I think that was just his mentality. He was with different gangs. Like, yeah, he just, he never had a place that he could call home. I mean, these lists are always interesting though, because, you know, just hearing the conversations going on around the people that's on it, people that maybe should have been on there. I'm John Green. You may know me as the author the fault in our stars. And now, I guess also is the co-host of The Away End, a brand new world soccer

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The production is crazy. That's one of those I want to hear, like, I want to hear a few rappers take that and do something to that. Yeah, that would be if this was still the first, freestyle era, there'd be 20 radio freestyles right now over that shit. They've been asking us to get on it. Who's us?

Me and Rory. Who's asking for that? They have. Who's they? You got to stop saying that. The new Rory of Mawman. Man, there's nobody asking for that shit, man. To play off of our thing that we did when we impersonated

when we impersonated push up. Oh my God. They've been asking for us to jump on. So, Roy, we got to. We do that this week. Yeah. No, yeah. Because ballerina is doing pirouettes inside my snow globe.

It's something I would. would have said. Now that's not nothing you would have said. It's absolutely nothing. You've never said that. You've never said nothing close to that. When I heard, when I heard Nause rewind,

I was like, oh, I would have done that too. Like, no, what was the matter's talking about? I would have said. You've never said anything closer.

I would have approached the PSA beat the same way, Jay-Vee. Like, what are you talking about? I'm just saying, that's something I would have said. That bar is crazy.

Malice went fucking off on this record. Niggas is my sons and that's on repeat. Definitely something I would have said. But yeah, malice went crazy. and he didn't curse the whole entire time. He's bringing real hip hop back.

Real hip hop. Okay. I feel like they even cursed them rappers that like. Only Will Smith didn't curse in his reps. Broken vows everywhere. That's explicit content for sure. Yeah, no, that was crazy back in the day. He was talking about Snow Globes shit too, for sure.

I really love the record. I was a little nervous with the whole. Chad and Farrell thing. Of course we know Farrell has produced plenty of shit by himself, but that was a thing coming up to this. Like, all right, we're getting a Farrell produced clips album again, but there is no Chad involved in this.

I'm not mad so far. He's one for one. Forel is probably the best. Him and Swizz are the best at making the most simplistic beats sound incredible. Yeah, no, the production on this record is incredible. I like this record a lot. I like the approach

in pockets that they both picked. I'm really, really excited for this album. What's your favorite lyric or your favorite bar? It's the Snow Globes shit for sure. But the Ali Baba to the Lady Gaga shit was insane to me too. I mean, people on line, I say Malice, he got Push on this one. But that's not, I mean, Push got way better post the clips with his solo career. Malice was always nice.

But let's not act like back in the day. one was ever discrediting push as a rapper, but Malice was always like the one. Push would get him a few times, but I feel like Push has even admitted that his brother was the better rapper. Push just got much better with his solo career, so I'm really excited to see this one. But I feel like Malice got pushed on his last solo project. That Malice verse was one of my favorite verses of that year. Yeah. 2022 or whatever. Malice is Malice, though. No, no, no. Listen, I'm very aware of the clips, one of my favorite groups. And this, you know, production with Farrell is definitely, you know, it's good to see them still

working together. And then the thing I'm most impressed of is how long they've been at it and how good they still sound. Like, that's it. To me, that's like, you know, when they say this rap is a young man's sport, to a degree, yes. But when you have, you know, the clips and Farrell still able to deliver and give us joints that sound like this. And they know, to me, it's no real, it's no young, no Y-Ns can't give us this sound.

They can't give us this talk. They can't, they're not even this clever or this, this witty in their, in their bars and the entendres and things like that. Like, this is the type of rap that, you know, a certain sector, I think, appreciates in the community. You got to learn how to read. You got to learn how to read. You got to learn how to read.

You got to learn how to travel. It's funny. Drug dealing takes math. You know, learn how. No, but this isn't. I'm talking about. about rapping, it's not just about, they're not just rapping about drugs. They had to have read books, seen things, experience things for your vocabulary to open up this wide for you to be

able to make references about things from other countries. And yeah, you got to travel, you got to make money, you got to read. And even if you don't have the money, you got to read about the places that you can't travel. Reading is fundamental and these new rappers don't fucking read. They can't read. Read. They can't even talk. Have you heard some of these new artists like in the interview? Mm-hmm. Like, yo, you film me, film me, film me, film me, film me, film me, feel me, feel me? I can't feel me, feel me. Yeah, I can't.

Neither can you because you're on bills. Feel me, film me, film me, film me, feel me, feel me, feel me, feel me, bro, bro, bro. This is a female you're sitting across from. It's a woman. You know, feel me, bro, bro, bro, bro, you know what I'm saying, bro, bro, bro. Nami, time out. What? Time on.

Get your dumb ass up, man, shut up. But that's because they're on the drugs. They're not selling the drugs. They're on drugs. They're on drugs. They're on the drugs. They're on the drugs. They're on the drugs.

Selling the drugs to their friends. Their friends selling them back. They're just doing like drug fucking switches. Drug musical chairs. Drug musical chairs. Let me hold that pill I just sold you. Same way, can I hold that chain for this video?

Yeah. Let me get just two of the perks to hold. Give me those two perks I just sold you. And I mean, labels don't even have the staff to do media training. That's been done. Remember when they used to get Fab a lot of bullshit? Like Fab wasn't media trained. He's not good at interviews.

Duff. Fab smokes. Looks like Einstein compared to it. It's bad. It's bad. Like they, I'm talking about He's Neil deGrasse Tyson compared to these Yeah, like these new artists

These young cats, a lot of these young cast I mean, it's just like My God, like you can't even hold a conversation It's sad But, you know, it's good to hit a clip Still in shape I'm looking forward to hearing What else they got on this project

If it sounds anything like this Ace Trump Is Joint, then you know This is gonna be a good listen for me Like I appreciate this type of nostalgia and this type of attention to detail when you talk about rapping. I appreciate this. And I feel like push Malice and Ross,

even though there's a million entendras in this Ace of Trumpets record, those three rappers to me are the best at saying very simple things and delivering it in a way that sounds so amazing. Soho Shopping Spree, you should have seen it. It's not even that crazy, but I was... I'm like, I was just on Broadway.

How I missed that shit. Yeah, them and drink. Drake does that really well too. You should have seen it. Mm-hmm. How do you deliver it that good? Ross be saying some really basic shit, but it sounds better than all of your favorite rappers

when they do complex shit. Pusha, Malice, and Ross are masters at this type of shit. The delivery. Very simple delivery. You catch every word. You may not catch the entendre, but you catch every single syllable word. It all sounds amazing.

The delivery and rap is very important. Like push as an elite MC still, where were you in Big Meach brought to Tagusa? Like he has more memorable stuff like that on top of his entendres that separates him to me from everyone else. Like they're not doing rap-dip-wrap, rap, rap. They found a very specific fun, fun pocket, a fun pocket that a lot of people could fuck up.

Like that could get tiresome for 32 bars. They are masters at that type of shit. But see, that's why going back to... Ross is too at that. Going back to when we were talking about our complex list and they said skill, and the majority of the pillars of skill only one of them was actual

pin the rest of it was delivery the way that you break it down like that's a very very important thing easy as one of the best deliveries ever even Dre's delivery is incredible that fucking horrible line if I slip then I slip then I'm slipping I'm still slipping awful fucking bar delivered incredibly

that shit back in the day though I ain't gonna it still hits now and if I got my nina and then you know I'm shit true and I'm gonna continue to put Put the Mac down. Snoop's fan was crazy. It's your shit. Switching shit, ma'am.

I did see we spoke last episode that there was rumblings about a Kendrick verse from before. And then we thought because of the Rock Nation situation that they may have a Jay-Z verse. I saw that Stove God tweeted that he is on the album. We know there's only two features. So I do not think we're getting a J-Z feature on this. I believe it is Stove God. which is confirmed, and I think that Kendrick feature from Chains and Whips when they did the Louis Vuitton fashion show that, like, Jim Jones diss, that was the one that Kendrick was rumored to be on, and then we never heard anything from it. Pushit T, went and did an interview and said that they wanted to put this out last year, but when they brought it to Def Jam, this was right after the Drake and Kendrick Beef, and they wanted Kendrick to more or less censor his version. because of everything that was going on.

Push said, fuck that. They got into some legality shit, which led to the clips getting off Def Jam as well as Pusha T getting off Def Jam because of this entire thing and they were able to shop it around and that's why there was a delay. Now I'm sure there's always a bunch of different things

behind the scenes that added to this, but that is kind of fucking insane. Yeah. And according to Push for this article, I believe the bar isn't even that crazy from Kedrick.

Therapy taught me how to open up. It also showed me I don't give a fuck. I don't think it was the bars per se that they wanted to censor. I think it was Def Jam saying Drake's two biggest ops are coming together at this exact time to put a record out,

which kind of, I don't know, do you think it contradicts or helps the lawsuit that Drake is going through? Why would it contradict it? Or help it. I guess this would be proof that they were aware of his brand and also wanted to protect it in the midst of this entire thing,

which could go against it, but couldn't a lawyer also prove that they were very much aware when they said that they support both of their artists and they would never stop an artist from doing anything? This does contradict what Universal said already. For sure. it does prove what Drake's lawyers were saying and UMG was like, what?

We would never, that's crazy. We would never get behind an arts. We don't treat any artist with any type of special privileges or anything. Even though this is on Drake's side, it still is proving that that does happen. Yeah. But we know that.

Even if this didn't, if this never came out, if Prussia never made any mention of this happen and we know that that does happen. I just, I don't know. push it to me is not a liar. I just think there has to be more to this than just this sentence.

Because why after a record that calls somebody on your label that word, would you be upset about or try to block a clips in Kendrick's song that doesn't talk about Drake whatsoever? Like the damage was done. This wasn't going to do anything.

What was the bar? The only bar that they mentioned And, all right, Def Jam's Sparron company, UMG, said the optics of two of Drake's biggest enemies linking on wax. Push calls, their apprehension, stupid primarily because none of the bars in Kendrick's otherwise excellent verse

could be perceived as a shot or even a sub. It does, however, contain the stellar line. Therapy taught me how to open up. It also showed me, I don't give a fuck. What? That's fucking stupid. Pushick, uh, I actually love the writing in this.

Pushit can barely contain his disgust, recounting the stalemate with Def Jam. They wanted me to ask Kendrick to censor his verse, which of course I was never doing. And then they wanted me to take the record off. And so after a month of not doing so, their lawyer said, well, we'll drop the clips. But they can't do that because I'm still there as a solo artist.

If you let us all go, is that out of order. Sure enough, Dev Jam eventually agreed to release the clips and drop push as a solo artist, freeing the duo up to shop for a new home with a finished clips album and plenty more music in their pockets. Yeah, I think. That was just, I mean, could it be a thing where they just felt like the song wasn't good?

That Chains and Whips song was fire. It was premiered at the Louis Vuitton fashion show in Paris. That was the one that Jay's and Beyonce, you could see they was writing lyrics in their head to it. That record is fire. It's like leaked now, the not, you know, the highest version of it. But you can listen to it on YouTube now. And it was rumors at that time Kendrick was already on it. They just didn't play his verse in Paris.

No, that record is That record is too far I just think that that's I don't understand any of that I don't understand why Def Jam would even I mean if he's not even mentioning Drake in the

verse why would you even ask Pusher to have it to have Kendrick censored like I don't Because people would assume no matter what because of the time it was coming out people would assume everything in it

would be shot People can assume whatever But for the label to go To push it and say yo Like tell Kendrick not What? Like that just, to me, that's just... Okay.

Conspiracy. Did they already have some type of worry that Drake was going to sue them or heard rumblings after the beef that that would happen? And now they're trying to cover their ass because this would be another point, not to say it proves anything, but something you can put in the paperwork of... These are two people that have said very disparaging things about me. You're now releasing a record they have together and putting money behind it. I could see Drake's lawyers...

Right after the beef. It could have been added as a little byline. of in the lawsuit. Not to say that that really does anything, I think, in Drake's lawsuit, because it's like, they didn't say anything about them, but I think,

I don't know, does it add more fuel? Like, I feel like major corporations when there's a possibility they could even be sued down to, like, the smallest sample that could be debatable, they're going to say no, just to cover their ass. Like, legal teams,

they don't even want to hear the music. They don't even give a fuck about anything art related. They're just there to say, no. So I could maybe see that being a thing because they were already heard possible litigation rumors of what was going on. It's like, we really can't do this. Even though I don't think that's really illegal matter.

Yeah, I just, I don't know. That's, you know, Dev Jam doing that is just, that seems a little weird. That's, no, that's very weird, actually, not a little. That's very weird for them to approach pushing. It just doesn't make no sense. Like, especially if the line, he's not talking about him, not going at him in any type. It just doesn't make any sense. I mean, but if that's the case, man, like, amazing to get off the label that way?

Oh, no. I mean, I'm sure, you know, they're happy about it. You know, like, oh, shit, like, we basically got a free walk. Like, we're out of here. But it's just, I don't know. It just doesn't make, I feel like it's more to that story. That just, that story doesn't make sense. I'm not saying what push is saying is false.

I just, there has to be more. It has to be more to that. It has to be. that makes no sense to me. Because what are you censoring in the verse? Exactly. That's what I'm saying. It just, like, I don't know.

Maybe he's just not trying to really get into it and, you know, whatever. But that part of the story to me is it has to be more. That makes no sense. Well, I mean, between chains and whips, I assume now that they're off death jam, that song is definitely coming out with that Kendrick verse. And then we also have the Stovegod feature. So there's our two features. I think there was a, I think there's another feature, though.

I think the feature you were alluding to what they were saying, when Pushy was saying he was waiting for the feature. You were saying that you think it's a whole feature. I think Nas. Okay. I think a Nas. I think a Nas verse may be on this album. Well, they kind of alluded to it in this article as well.

The label loved what they heard except for the Kendrick Lamar guest verse on Chains and Whips. the final version of the song that Pharrell teased at his first LV runway show. The song Pushis says was the first to come out of their sessions.

Don't be fooled by Push's interviews appealing for one last guest verse and the Twitter jokes that he went to a GNX tour date to physically walk Kendrick

into the nearest studio. KDOT's homework has been turned in for a while now. So I think that's still coming out as is, the Chains and Whips thing. Oh yeah.

And they said there was two features. So a gnaz one would be fire, but if they're sticking to that, I think we're only getting stove and Kendra. This stove got that feature going to be, because listen, man, it's not too many that could talk that, you know, that winter talk. That's no white talk like stove. I'm fucking high. Like, I am about to make 100,000 next month. Nah, now you want to, now you want to be stalled.

Now you was, see, you're about to go crazy flipping. We were calling her Mrs. Stovito. She got mad. So that was her ex. Like everything. Okay. Because, yeah, because y'all are making fun of, like, it's funny when y'all do it from, like, people who aren't from my hometown.

Like, that's not funny. But, yeah, I always support Stowe. We about to flip some shit. Boy, I'm about to make $100,000. I swear to God, I'm about to go crazy. He's about to be the most motivated song all time. You're about to make $100,000 doing what? Lashes?

No. About to do $100,000 lashes? She's going to date a drug dealer that buys her the last spot. No. You know, they can't wait to get that. that. Buy me my studio. Pay my boo-friend. Pay my boo-friend. Push said he might

date our bitch and yank your rib-out. Push is going to do everything for our girl. Date your bitch and pull her rib out. A yank her rib out. Like, buy her new body. You know, like... Is that what that meant? That's how I interpreted it. Oh, okay. Yes.

Unless you thought more romantic and he was suggesting like Adam and Eve, like they're... He's her rib now. Or she do so much coke that she just get real skinny. But I think he meant surgery. Yeah, I don't want that girl that does too much coke that she's skinny now. But we're about to flip a brick. Why, the head is crazy.

Her back, her throat always numb. And dry. Cotton mouth. I'm cool. This stove got... Might buy you bitch some new hips and yank her rib out. Yeah. Imagine push by your chick's some hips.

And then you come home and there's a rib on the counter. Get a body done. I get it. Yeah, I'm looking forward to that stove feature, though. I'm looking forward to that. I got it here. I got to hear the greasy talk on that. Stove is one of the few that I feel like probably when it comes to that type of talk

may be just a little slicker than push in my list. Oh shit. That's that's you. Okay. Yeah. Like if you go and listen to reasonable drought, like there's not many people that could. I was very impressed by Stove God on that entire project. Like his cleverness, his wittiness when it comes to that type of, again, that certain

talk is. I'm not saying he did it, but he was in the house when it happened. I'm not putting nothing on him. I'm not doing that because niggas is listening. I'm not saying he did anything, but he may have been around because you can't just talk like that and not have been in close proximity. Yeah. And the amount of like coke entendres we've heard over the last 20 years to be able to like

really revive that genre takes a clever type of person. I feel like I've heard every Coke bar on earth and then reasonable drought came out and I was like, oh well. Like what he said, it's what you do after the brick bitch, I'm Draymond. Niggas don't even talk like. You can't even, listen, listen, listen.

No, I'm being serious right now. I'm not even trying to cause no jokes and no laughs. It's what you do after the brick, bitch, I'm Draymond. Niggas don't rap, they don't talk like that. You can't, these rappers are not even they Wi-Fi, they bandwidth, don't even let them go to that. Like, you don't even talk like that.

Like, that's, to me, that type of slick, you know, those lines is what separates Stowe from everybody else. But to have him with guys like, you know, Malice and Push who do that very well, it's just going to be interesting to hear. And, and, and I need to know, rap is etiquette. I need to know if Push and Malice's verse was done first. And after Stowe sent his verse, did they change his head? They did.

They did. They're from a different arrow. There's no way. you saying that and I hope so I hope so I hope be keeping it I think there's a world where stove gets them for sure I'm saying out of like pushing malice not change they probably just gonna sit there like that

I hope not I hope they kept it rap keep it rap you know what you hand it okay so as a rapist etiquette all right that's rapist etiquette you can't change your verse after you can't change your verse after I send my verse in because if I send my verse in and then now the song come out and your bars is different than when I got it we're gonna have a real problem now

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