New Rory & MAL - Best of Rory & Mal: Week of 6/23

Episode Date: June 29, 2025

This week on New Rory & Mal, Cardi B announces her 2nd album, Jim Jones takes credit for Nas going viral on social media, Rory and Mal debate whether or not they would sleep with a senior citizen for their inheritance, and Demaris wishes she was in Paris for Jay-Z's appearance at Beyonce's Cowboy Carter Tour #volumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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She made the announcement. Okay. Drop the cover and everything. We all fucking side. Can we pull up the cover? Yeah. Yeah. No, it's just called Am I the drama?

Cardi B. We outside just letting y'all know. Okay, so also on Friday. So we got a date. September 19. September 19. Cardi B. The album.

Long anticipated, long-awaited, follow-up to the hip-hop. AI better not have fucking done that cover. Go ahead. I'm sorry. No, they really had a croreland on her. You did with Al? Yeah, yeah, no, definitely.

So you were saying. She looks amazing. She looked good, yeah. All right, Cardi B. Am out of drama? September 19. All right, all right, baby, Dee. What's that? That's an introspective title.

Yeah, let's... I like the title. Y'all know how long I've been waiting for this. I need to follow up. You've been waiting just to talk shit, but we ain't going to get into that. Waiting to talk shit. I want to hear what Cardi's doing. Absolutely.

I want to hear four album from Cardi. I'm not wanting to talk. I'm going to talk my shit now, but I'm not waiting to talk. waiting to talk shit. But I do want to hear what Cardi does with her sophomore project. Coming off for the success of the first one, I say it all the time. Like, I don't know many artists, especially rap, that have had the success off of one album that Cardi has. So we definitely need a follow-up.

So now, okay, Cardi B. Am I the out of drama? September 19th. Well, also on Friday, she put out, which I assume would be the first single outside. Mm-hmm. Without a video, which made me feel like it was rushed because I think. Cardi's rollouts are best when they're paired with a visual. Record.

Probably because they got leaked. Originally. I mean, she had said that this wasn't planned and this and that, but I mean, we never know with that what artists are saying. We already know that there's some rumor of issues with Atlantic already. Like, was this something you think they are forcing on her right now? I think so. Like, do we think Cardi feels like she's ready? I think Cardi may have been ready.

I think that they probably, you know, whatever, because I, A lot of people, we know, Roy, because we just have these relationships, but I feel like a lot of people that were in that building when Cardi first arrived that are no longer there now are no longer there because they couldn't get this album out. So I feel like this album may have been done. A lot of the songs may have been done. They may have been fishing for a single scene, which took off with picked up steam. You know how they play that game. Like, let's throw a couple records out and see what happens, do some features, things like that. I think they was, you know, trying to figure it out with Cardi.

But I think most of this music has probably been, because Cardi alluded to the music being done for a while. A couple times over. I think they were banking on Bongo's being bigger than a bus. I think, I think so, too. Yeah, for sure. I mean, anything Cardi does is going to be a huge budget. Yeah. Why do you think Bongoes didn't work?

I don't know why, because I loved Bongo's personally. I thought it was a cool record. Yeah. I don't know if it was because it was released at the wrong time. It gave summer record. If I'm not mistaken, Bongo's was released maybe a little bit later in the year. I can't remember the exact date of when it was.

I remember it being probably around, I was at the T's show, probably around September of 2023 or something around that time. So, yeah, I think it would have been better as a summer record. September. September is the summer.

It's the end of summer. I think if they would have put it out in May, June, I think it would have been a little bit different. But I don't know why. I don't know why I didn't work. Do y'all really, Do y'all really believe that, though?

Believe what? That if a record is, quote, unquote, a summer record and it doesn't drop, like, the beginning of the summer, like, so if it doesn't take off, you can kind of lean on that, like, it was a summer record, they put it out the end of the, I think that good music is, I don't give a fuck what is doing outside. Well, I mean, any time of a record. Because they're going to party and shake their ass. We don't see niggas shit ass 365. If a record is big and it's dope, it don't matter what is doing outside.

Like, it's going to be a hit. Yeah, sometimes, but some records you need to hear in certain settings. That was a Caribbean-based beat. Like, we needed to hear, we needed to see women outside in the summer shaking ass to that. But even WAP, though, being in the middle of COVID still worked. But WAP worked for multiple reasons. Wap was huge, outside of it being a good song, and it's huge shock value. And the video was huge shock value.

Like, it was just a lot. I mean, that's part the reason why I think bongos, I'm sure by data, like if Cardi pulled up bongos, I'm sure, yes, it worked. But we're talking about like the momentum of going into an album. I love Megan's part on bongos, but I think they were setting themselves up for fail. Like, how do you top WAP? Yeah. Like, even though Megan did great on that, I think Cardi should have picked somebody else for it. Because now it's like, all right, we have our expectations at this with, are we getting Wop part two?

I'll just go this in the Wop then. You're just setting unrealistic expectations when you have a single like that with the two of them together. I can understand that. It is very hard to top one. They smoked that video, record school. They did everything right, I feel like,

but it just didn't connect. I'm scared for Cardi. I'm nervous too, just because I personally feel I don't have any information. I feel like she's being rushed right now. Yeah, I'm kind of, I'm nervous for Cardi for a number of reasons.

Outside was, I don't. they just threw it out like yeah like i it's just it just feels weird because again i was the entire label as far as the people that have been there that probably worked on her first project are no longer there definitely all gone i just that might be the difference between kaiser and julie versus the grange family because they were like all right when card he's ready we'll put put this out grange just came in and say you put it up whatever's on your hard drive get see and we're good to And that's where I'm nervous because, you know, you can't rush the artist if the artist doesn't feel. And there's nothing worse.

And you can attest it where you actually put music out in the marketplace. When you rush an artist and it doesn't work, that is the worst feeling for the artist. Because they're like, I didn't even want to put this shit. Didn't want to do this. I didn't even want to do this. So for that to happen, you know, for them to put Cardi's project out. But on the flip side, maybe she is ready. Maybe she's been ready.

And yeah, she's finally getting her chances. And, you know, and now it's here. So now she's probably like, all, cool. Like, let's get this shit out. The only thing I'm nervous for when it comes to Cardi is female rap is not doing what female rap was doing when Cardi first dropped her album. No one is, right? That wave has kind of, I don't want to say it's over.

But the way things are marketing wise and the success that their singles are having and their albums are having like off first week, it's a complete. different trajectory. The dominance is gone. Yes, it's completely, the dominance is gone. And what I don't want for her is for her to not reach what she did previously because that's just very unlikely for anybody to reach what she did previously as far as the success of that first album because that was an anomaly. It's not like, oh, I can do this and let me get better. Like, it was like, no, you hit one hell of a lick. You had the perfect album at the perfect time and the perfect climate for female rappers. Like, it was literally the perfect storm for that album.

to do what it did. And there's a good chance that no matter how good this one is, it won't hit that. And I don't want the criticism that she's going to get from people who don't know anything about the music industry or the way that music is selling right now to get to her and it stifle her creativity or make her not even want to be an artist anymore because we do know how sensitive Cardi is. So that's what I'm scared for. Do I think the album will do well? Yes. Do I think it'll do well first week? Not if they don't fix this rollout. But I do think that Cardi is known for making good music and I think over time the sales will grow the same way that dochees did and that lotto's did or whatever but I just don't want her to pay attention to metrics that don't really matter that

the stands and the fans are pushing on her and for her to feel like she failed personally. It's just with no but this is and this goes back to you know a lot of people try to paint it like I was hating on Cardi. I love Cardi from the same town. I support her no matter what. But when you have the success that she had on her first one out the gate, it's hard. to match that. You can grow towards that. But the success she had off the first album, like, what is what else is there to accomplish after that? You know, you get what I'm saying? It's like she got everything off the first album. The looks that she got, the awards that she got, the accolades, everything is, she already has it. So now if this second album come out and she doesn't

get those things, is that a failure? That's what I'm saying. But that's why I always laying on the side of, just let the music be dope. Fuck the accolades, fuck the metrics. Let the music be dope. Gotta develop more as an artist. Like the dochi, I didn't even know that was,

you know, I'm terrible with titles. That anxiety record? I didn't even know that was Dochi. I had no clue that that was a Dochi song. It hit that when I go in any department store, that shit is playing. And I'm like,

wait, that's Doche? I'm thinking just rap when it comes to Doche like getting her bars off. So they hear that. This is where, why you say female rap is not, Because now you have to do more than just rap as a female.

Give us some melodies. Give us some more pop. You know what I mean? Like lean a little more pop. So now I don't know who she worked with on this project. I'm sure they had the best of the best in the room with her, though. So we just got to wait to see what the. I'm not paying attention to the sales.

If she gets nominated, if she I don't, because she has all of that. Me either. And her belt already. You know what I just don't want her to. I want the music, though. I want the music to be great. As long as the music is great, great job, Cardi. All right, so we just pulled up the pre-save link on Apple Music,

and it appears that track 22 and track 23 are up and whop. Now that scares me a bit. Bodak Yellow was how old by the time? Invasion of Privacy came out. It was a couple years, but at that time, the streaming rules were different, and that was helpful. It went towards your total. They have now changed that rule.

So had that rule still been here, I would totally get why WAP would be on this album. But the fact that that has shifted scares me. Because what benefit is up and WAP being on this album really going to do in the scope of things? Now, to be fair, they are the last two tracks on the pre-order track list. So I don't know if, you know, as far as the listen of the album, if it matters. but I don't like that though I don't like up and why being on this album Can you think of a time when there was a regime change

at a label in an A-lister put out a project immediately following it? I cannot think of a time Typically when they do their musical chairs shit and people become different presidents or whatever Typically if that president signed you you're getting dropped because the new regime

It's like yo I didn't sign you You're not my act I'm starting to take that on Bacardi of course is A-list So A-listers are going to going to stay there. It's not like they were going to drop Justin Bieber when L.A. re-left. Of course they're going to stay. But I've never heard of them putting music out right after there's a new president and a new system. I don't know. This is all odd. I hope it's great.

Outside, I don't know if that's the one. Maybe it'll grow. Maybe with a visual. It's a cool record. And I don't know if just a cool record is it right now. And which is fucked up to say. It's, you know how hard it is to make a hit fucking record. It's like one of the hardest things in the world. So to just say put one out, Cardi is crazy to say. But I don't know if outside is the one that, like, is going to lead the momentum that is needed when you don't even know your new label president and you're just announcing shit. But that's why I like what you just said about hit records. And that's why we have to start giving more, let's say, applause.

to the artist that consistently do that. It's not easy to make a hit record. No. Consistently make hit records is not a hardest fucking thing. No matter how talented you are. So we got into a space where it became everything else other than the music. You know what I mean? Like let's have a public relationship.

Let's, you know, go viral on doing this and do these dances. And then it's everything dressed up around the record, the hit records. Records can't stand by themselves. The records can't stand by themselves. So now with this situation with Cardi, again, A-list has all the accolades already off the first album, achieve things that most people in her genre will never achieve. Every song was on Billboard. Like, she has all of that.

She had like 10 hits on that, which is insane. So now, sophomore album, first album since all of these accolades, had a lot of features in between it, good records in between it. But this is the first Cardi B album post the situation. of invasion of privacy. Now we got to get back to where are the hit records on this album. Looking at Up and Watt being there, I don't like that. But hey, it might, it's 23 tracks, so those might not even matter.

But, Ma, that's the oxymor. Like, that's, you just, what you just said was let's pay attention to music and not really pay attention to hits, but then you saying, all right, well, where are the hits? Because the two songs that Cardi dropped in between that we thought, when the album we thought was coming last year, those were really, really good songs. Like, objectively, those are really good songs, and they both came with a big visual. Which songs are you, tomorrow? One of them was the freestyle, and the other one was the one that she kept teasing.

I can't remember exact names if Josh came up. Freestyle was dope. That was one that offset directed, right? I think he directed the video. Yeah, that shit was hard, but it was also a freestyle. I don't even think Cardi in the label was like, this is a hit. I think it was, let's feed our fan base in the meantime. Yeah.

I don't know if that was. But they were, I mean, like, bongos, they were like, this, we're going to treat this like a hit. I think the freestyle joint that Cardi did was just to feed the fans at the time. Yeah. Which was hard, but, like, they didn't do much post promo after that. Okay, so, yeah, one was called Enough, Miami and, like, enough. I like enough enough. I liked Enough or Not, a lot.

And I think it was a good record, but like I said, it's really tough with female rappers right now. And I think that they're trying to, when she's dropping these songs, they're trying to judge their immediate success off her past immediate successes. It's not even, you got to push a record, you got to let her record grow. just because she's a superstar. Treat this like this is just her sophomore album. Like treat her like this is her sophomore album. They're like trying to treat her like she's fucking. No, but no, no, no.

You can't do that, baby, D. Because you can't just treat it like it's just her sophomore album. When it comes to pushing it, yes, you can. When it comes to how you push it and how you grow it, why can't you? Because the success she had on the first. She is priority. For sure. She's an A-lister.

For sure. So that you can't treat it just like a regular sophomore album. What I'm saying is, if something is not working to what you think is working immediately, give it time, put more money behind it and watch it grow. Don't just throw things out and be like, oh, this didn't go number one, onto the next. What are we doing? You can't do that. Because what we're seeing with the female rappers now is you have to give songs time to grow. You have to push them. You have to put more money behind them and give it time. You can't just throw this out and then hit number one next. And it hit number one next. You can't do that.

It's not going to work. That formula is gone when it comes to female rap dominance. We're out of that time. But why do you, I don't even like saying female rap domino. I think rap period. Yeah. Well, yeah, yeah. But I'm just talking about the years when the females were running rap. When you had the Cardi, the Megan, the lotto, like they were taking over everything. That was all you heard. All the number one songs were female songs. Like, so that's over with. That wave has like passed. So now it's like you got to treat it like regular rap where you're going to have to put some money behind it and some time behind it and some appearances behind it and let it grow organically. Not just it hit number one like everything else did the first time.

But they gave Cardi time to let, they put it. They put it. They put it. It's a lot. They put joints out. She had time for something to take. And that's what I think they were doing. I think they were throwing joints out, trying to see what took off. Because I do feel like most of this music that were going to hear, Cardi had been recorded this music. So I think they were just trying to see, again, because of the success of the first one, the labels had to wait until she put something out where it looked like it even had that type of heat. And that's what I'm saying. I don't think that that's going to happen in this climate. So they need to come up with with another way. But again, if the music is good, it don't even matter. If it's not, if it's the

numbers. If the numbers aren't, I mean, it matters to the label. Some, some, let's, we're going to keep it. It matters to the label if the numbers are not where they want them to be. But as far as me just listening to Cardi's album, I just want to hear good music. I don't, don't even tell me what they did first week. Don't care. I want to hear good music. I'm just looking for good music coming from Cardi B. That's right. Can we stay uptown for a quick second? Let's always stay uptown, bro.

What's up? What you? What you want to chop? I'm good. I do want to thank our brother-in-arms, Jim Jones, for making Nas relevant again.

Thank you. Wait, what? Thank you to Jimmy. You know, Nas is a legend, and I appreciate that our guy, Jimmy, has made him relevant once again. See, you being funny,

and I respect you being funny. I respect you being funny. He's being funny. No, no, I respect you find him. And you know that's my guy. No, listen, I respect you finding humor in this. Now, we spoke about this, but I thought.

And then he doubled down and went and did another interview. I thought Jim was trolling. And to some extent, I feel like he may still be trolling. He said on last Sunday on Instagram that he was trolling. Yeah, but now this latest clip that came out, he sat down with Bagfuel. Yeah. And Clue was on there as well. He sat down with them.

and his quote was what I did for Nas recently probably has never been done in his life last time he was in some viral shit like this was when he was getting at Jay-Z now he may have a point

with the viral thing right he may have a because Nas is not somebody that goes viral much if that I could There wasn't viral didn't exist when he was going at Jason this is what I'm getting at but on the flip side of this I don't think

Nas cares about going he owns ring cameras like really? Yeah I didn't know that he's one of the first investors in ring camera

like I don't think Nas cares about going viral and that's the thing like you don't think Nas does not care about going viral and that's the thing like Jim I understand

what Jim says so he may have a point more people no no he may he may have a point in the whole NAHs being viral thing. What's the definition of viral?

But at the same time, Jim, you're going viral off of talking about Nause. The things that you're saying about Nause is why you're going viral because people can't believe that you're actually saying these things about Nause.

It's like, Jim, what you've done, and we talk about all the time, what Jim has done to me, he has surpassed what anybody ever thought he would doing music. He has dope albums, dope songs. And if you've been around long enough to see diplomats from the start to where it is now, you are looking at Jim like, damn.

Like, he really turned his music career into something really lucrative. Like, Jim wasn't even rapping at first. So for him to be doing what he's doing now. And then when you look at his catalog and the songs, it's like, oh, shit, he got some joints. Salute to that. But this is Nas we're talking about. Like, this is one of the goats, one of the, and Jim has been on record praising Nas and saluting Nas.

Like, if you're from New York City and you grew up in New York City and hip hop, there's no way you didn't look to Nas at one point and be like, yo, that's that dude. All of us have looked up to Nas, saluted Nas at one point or another. So now with this thing of going viral, yes, more people are talking about it, but they're talking about it in a way of they can't believe that. you actually said that you have more billboard entries than Nause, which we know that's not true. We debunked that in about 17 seconds. But everybody had to check first because it was kind of like, for somebody even say that, that's like word?

Like, hold on. He might. Because then you start thinking like, damn, I don't know about a billboard. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. I don't pay attention to billboard like that. Jim being an artist, he would pay attention to his billboard. We don't really look at that.

So it's like, word, you got more. It's like, nah, we checked it. We were right. of course he doesn't cool but now the whole going viral thing but at the same time jim is going viral for talking about naz who hasn't said anything that's the crazy part about all this like nod still hasn't responded to any of this and he probably won't but i'm asking what is viral well viral is just where you know you sit down on these platforms and you say something and they clip it and it goes everywhere, blogs pick it up, and, you know, that's the viral thing.

Everybody picks up a soundbite of you saying some crazy shit. Okay, Nas, when he named his album, Hip Hop is Dead, when I was in high school, was that not a version of viral? That was the biggest conversation ever. When Nas wore a shirt to the Grammys that had the hard ER on it, was that not viral? Absolutely. When Nas put Khalise's wedding dress on the album cover, was that not fucking viral? Talk your shit, Nas fan.

Yeah, but no, but Jim is talking about recently, recent virality. Nas is almost 50. You shouldn't be going viral. So is Jim. And listen, different paths and I'm not judging either of those paths. What works for people, works for people. Like we said, we love what Jim has been doing later. But like, why all of a sudden now that's a stat?

Because someone that doesn't want to go viral, you got him viral? Yeah, like, it's not a stat. Now is 51. No, this is 51. How old is Jim? Edible age. Is Jim? Jim.

That's a you'd pick for your second husband? Yeah. Jim is 40. Jim will be 49 in July. Jim don't go viral for his music. Well, that's what people are saying. They're saying like you're going viral because you're talking about one of the biggest rappers ever.

You're going viral. You're a musician that's going viral for nothing that has to do with music. So that's what people are pointing to. So, you know, it's just they're playing two different games. Like, Jim is playing a game or cares about a game that Nas doesn't even care about. Like, that's the difference here. Do you remember when Nas hopped on Let Nas down remix? Yeah.

That's not viral? Yeah, I mean, no. But I'm just saying he's talking about as recently. Listen, let me be clear. What Jim is saying, Jim is wrong. Like, Jim is wrong in what he's saying. Like, I'm not trying to, you know, say Jim is right. But, again, I thought Jim was trolling.

But this last clip... What's the definition of irrelevant? Because Nod's just launched... With Mass Appeal, seven albums that are coming out this year that he's EPN... That's why I said. Two different games. They're playing two different focuses, two different goals. He put out the Supreme Doc.

Yeah. It's two different goals, man. That's all it is. But I thought Jim was like really trolling when all of this started when he said he has more billboard entries than Nause. But now with this latest clip, like his energy seems like... No, he's serious, though. Like, it seems like he's, I'm making Nas.

I'm making Nas relative. It's never been, what I'm doing for him has never been. And I'm just looking at him say that. And I'm like, yo, but Nas is not trying to be like in this viral thing. Like, he's not even playing that game. Like, Nause don't care about that shit. But I mean, listen, me, whatever. And if he's going off those conversations of talking on a podcast about Nause in a viral sense,

okay, yes, Jim, you are correct. but a few years ago, two years ago. Irv Gotti went on drink champs and told the story of after Nas signed, he wanted to go to Baltimore with a bunch of Maybacks and stunt in the hood. And Nas was like, I think I'm cool, bro. Yeah.

That went way more viral than this did. Yeah. And again, I like the gym double down on it. Go ahead, keep talking. I mean, listen, again, he's going viral. He's right. You know what I'm saying? But it's just like it's going viral because people are kind of confused at the things that he's saying about Nause. It's kind of like, yo, but this is Nause you're talking about. Like he's not trying to be viral or trying to be relevant, like whatever we think is relevant. Like, Nause is, he's doing a whole bunch of other shit and, you know, he's, he's well off. He's, he's great. Naz is in a very great space in his life. And that's why I feel like with Creson Rock, when she was saying she made Blueface relevant again. I'm like, though we talk about blue face.

Like, he's the nods of his generation. You can't even like say that type of shit. She's not wrong. He's in jail. I think she was talking about. Can we have some grace for people, please? I think she was talking. If I'm not mistaken, I think she was talking about when they were dating.

I don't think she was talking about currently. Was she talking about currently? I don't know and I actually don't really care. I was joking. We don't have to deep dive into it. I don't know. I'm sure they helped each other with the viral shit when they, oh, they did a show where their family.

of beating each other up, like, for viral moments. Yeah, they probably both helped each other. She said, I'm the reason Blue's where he's at now. He's in jail. So you snitched. So what did she say right now? So you were at. I'm the reason Blue's where he's at now.

Okay. He was a flop. Yeah, I need to stop playing with me. Yeah, he was who he was, but everybody had the same opportunity I had when I came around him and ain't did nothing. I put him back on a mat. What did anybody else do? I don't want to get into that because that's a ghetto part of the world that I'm not really

a part of. But from what I saw, the only thing I ever saw Blueface was bust down Thatiana. Great record. With Cardi's remix. That was my shit. I'm just saying, we'll move on to like music that we care about. But I will end this with. If you have my face tattooed on your whole fucking neck, you can't call me a floppy.

Your neck floppy now. Floppy-ass neck. Clock it. Clock it. Clock it, baby. I'm not arguing with you. No. A win is a win.

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What's the inheritance? What are we talking? Castles in the UK? Let's say at Beach Home and Athens. At minimum liquid, you're getting 5 mil.

Okay. And you have to spend her dying days with her which that's a crapshoot. I don't want to put a number on it because that's really the risk here. Like this bitch

could hang on for one month or she could hang on for three years. You only have to beat once. Okay. The silence is fucking kidding. Because I got a, it's a negotiation. My answer is yes, by the way.

But like, how does she look, though? Is it like... She looks like an old-ass, wrinkly woman that's dying. I don't know if I could hit that. Like, I wouldn't get aroused. It'd be hard.

I didn't add that. Maybe if I start to think about $5 million, I get really. really aroused. That's what you should try. Josh is racist, by the way. And a, and a, in a, a, a, a woman from Bali, pop up. Yeah. Josh is racist.

A Balinese woman in nature. And she's in nature. Like, she's in the, that's, that's, that's why Russell Simmons is there. He's stuck in Bali. He's still stuck. He's still stuck. She kind of right. I feel like, she's not kind of right, baby.

I feel like for five billion. Give me a row and a honey pack. Easy. I just don't know, man. not only that like we're gonna break her here yeah like i'll knock it out the park nah you wilder see i can nah back shots you know that's crazy that thing smell like oh okay all old people do not stink yo they got a little tang to them old old people got a little tank they sit down okay when they sit down on that couch you don't been in the house when they

when when big mama and them sit down on the couch and they and they all every old person smells the thing Yeah. Dine skin cells all smell the same. It's that little tang, that little like, oh. Where it's like it's not fresh. Like though, Big Mama need to take another shower.

Like, it's not, you know how it goes. It's not, it's not her fault. She's 83 years old. You want me? Oh, my fucking. We're talking like that.

There's some 83 years that's like really in great shape and like great health, though. Okay, I'm not talking about them though. I know. I know which ones you're talking about. Yeah. I'm not talking about this racist shit

that Josh pulled up, but I'm saying. Yeah. Picture in your own brain. Everyone picture in your own brain. But we know old woman. Why do you keep bringing up? Why are they all Asian?

Please. Yeah, no, I can't do it. All right. You got to have some pride, man. All right. How does that, like, ruin your pride? Come on. You ain't supposed to be doing that with this old lady.

It's consensual. This is her dying wish, and she's going to give you her husband's inheritance because of it. They don't have kids. I couldn't do it, man. I couldn't do it. I would not get aroused. I'm telling you right now.

I couldn't do it. The thought of it is just like making me want to like throw up in my mouth. I can't do it. Oh. Damn. No. You ain't poor enough for me. I would knock the dust off that. Nah.

I'm cool. Raw. And I pay for her wax and go in the room. They're going to wax her. The skin is going to come off. You want to see white meat? Yeah. Like, please.

You can't wax that old lady, man. You can't do that. You've been to send her home early. Yeah. Send her up yonder. Have you guys ever given thought to your second wife or second husband? this is the scenario. Your wife or husband.

Second husband. That passes away before you and you have a bunch of money. Have you thought about what you want that person to be? Say that again? Let's say you've been married forever. Your wife dies.

You only have so much time left. She even gave you the blessing. Like, don't be alone. Go out. What do you think your second wife would be? I'm an older man. I don't even think I would get married again. At that point, if I'm like 70, Why would I even get married again?

Who gonna take care of you, Poo? What? Who gonna take care of you? Sure, I don't know. Hopefully I could stay at 70. Hopefully I can still take care of myself. Hopefully, but eventually. I would think like the salsa instructor

at the old folks home. Like that woman, she could just blow me and get all the rest of my money when I die. Okay. Blow me to the grave. Salsa instructor, that is very specific. How old is, um... I'm just trying to think of the activities they do it.

How old is Robert Kraft? He got to be 70 something, right? Yo, why Robert Kraft is sick is he's a billionaire and went to a rub. He's 84. 70? I'm still in the game. Robert Kraft, 84. He's still getting pussy.

And you age way better than him. That's the fact. Yeah, 84. Is he still getting pussy? Because he went to a rub and tug in Fort Myers, wherever the fuck it was. That was like a $10 type joint. You need to. You need to have a hooker come to your house, sir.

Yeah, he just wanted a little quick, you know what I'm saying? So the experience, the ambiance? Yeah, his network is $11 billion. I can promise you he's getting pussy. Okay, so if you're still in the game with, who are you going after? I don't know if I'll get married, though, at that age. All right, cool. Your second girlfriend.

Yeah, I would probably get, you know, whoever was like Miss Turks and Kikos, she's probably like 50-something is old now. I probably got after something like that. Okay, so somebody, okay. Still look good, but like, younger than me. But, like, still, like, you know, not know. I wouldn't go after no 20-something and that's just ridiculous.

But like 50, 55, still look good, still works out, still does Pilates, but just an older woman. So like, Jada Pinkett Smith, like that?

Yeah. Okay. I got 11 billion. Yeah, I'll just take Jada. No, not, I'm talking about a woman like her. A woman like her. Yeah.

Got you. A woman like Jada. Somebody, women between 50s and 60s that still like, you know, gets up, beat juice every morning, Pilates,

you know, yoga. Okay. In my 70s, I'm with you there. Once I hit 80, though, Anna Nicole Smith me. Nah, but you don't need to, though. Can we pull up that photo of Anna Nicole Smith and her husband? But that was crazy. That was the sickest photo, I think, in pop culture. I think she really loves him. I think so, too, baby, dude. I couldn't even speak. You know what else I think she loved? That inheritance that she thought was coming. She's kissing a corpse. Because she never got that money. She's kissing Jimmy Carter. Yeah, she thought that money was coming.

Hey. What? I didn't wheel Jimmy Carter out to the White House lawn. last month. Don't look at me. Yeah. This is kind. Yeah, that's crazy. You're having that many chairs for no one to show up. But look at the Halloween photo right there on, I guess somebody played in and Nicole underneath on the left right there.

That's sick. That's a great Halloween costume. That is a dope Halloween costume. Yeah, that was bad. But yeah, once I hit 80, I need that. But 70, yeah. I'll find someone that's 50s, for sure. Yeah, in my 80s, I'll still get somebody in the 50s, 60s.

Still in shape, take care of herself. Yeah, they do. Listen, sometimes I run across, like, the older women on IG that still work out. And then when they say how old they, I'm like, what? Maybe 65 years old look great. In shape. Like, you would never be able to. It's like, wow, like, she looks amazing.

So those women out there that take care of themselves and as the older they get, they still look great. Like, you just got to find them. Okay, before we get to topics of the day, I want to reverse this. I know your answer, so we're going to do a hypothetical. Now, you are dying. And you have to give your wife the blessing of who she can be with after you die. I know you would say never that.

I'll haunt you for the rest of your life. Hypothetical. You are giving her the blessing. What type of God do you want your wife to be with at 70? She's 70? She's 70. You died. You have to give the blessing.

Don't be alone, babe. Just do what you got to do. I mean, as long as it's another black guy, I wouldn't want her to, like, remarry a white guy or be with a white guy or be with a white guy. Yeah, and I hear that. I wouldn't want that. Yeah, no, I get it. Somebody that's, you know, got this stuff together that's not just in it, you know, just for. You know, I would take care of it, though, right?

Yeah, no, I don't want, I wouldn't want my wife to get with a white guy. Now, I feel like this is the plot in your favorite. You're not Lee. You can't. You can't, I can't die. And then now you marry a white guy. like, no, you can't do that. Okay.

Yeah, keep it. It's June. It's some bitches. Come July, though, right? Because it's America. No, no, no, no. We're gonna keep it black all the way through to your dying day. You did another black guy, though.

So just any black guy? Well, he got his things, you know, his shit together. He's doing well for himself. He doesn't have to be like super wealthy and nothing like that. But if he, if it is. He's going to be spending your money. I just want to make that play. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

But somebody, somebody that still has, you know, something going on for themselves, not just no, you know, 50-year-old man or, you know, somebody that's just not doing nothing and they hey this old lady i met she got a bunch of money coming out of way yeah i just got to hit it like don't do that to you don't play yourself like that you're gonna haunt him yeah if she end up with somebody like that oh yeah i'm haunting the shit out of him for sure mirrors breaking every night what he's a good guy no fuck he ain't no good guy 50 and he got shit going on what if he would be a good guy what if he looks black but his grandfather on his mother's side is white josh sorry is that true no i just don't look black he was just

Puerto Rico. Yeah, but you don't look black. Yeah, no. I voted for Obama too. Yeah. Twice. Two times. What does that have to do with anything? Nothing. You can pull that out, bro. Okay. But speaking of moving on to

the whites, mall, more the profit. Nah, don't even, because see, y'all be trying and when I say things in the moment, y'all be laughing at me. Like, nah, you always take it too. I tried to tell y'all nothing hurts a woman more than if her man moves on and gets with a white woman.

So that's the reason that you have for your wife. The only thing that hurts more than that is if he moves on and he's with a man. That's the only thing that will hurt a woman more. But right underneath that, that next level of pain is white woman. Yeah, your man leave you. Well, so gay and white woman are pretty much the same. is what you're saying. No. If you're in a relationship with a guy and he leaves, like y'all break up, y'all split, end of the ship, you were married, because they were married, right? Yes. Married. So now you're divorced and now he gets with a white woman. Oh, as a Caribbean woman,

that will absolutely crush you. And that's what I was trying to say. I was like, yo, go get. And then I just know Sabrina Carpenter. I'm like, listen, I know what the type niggas like. I know what niggas be looking at sometimes. When they see them girls at these shows, like new artist she lit cute nice little shape i know what niggas be looking at so that's what i said i said you be looking to yeah i'm a man so i know it's like oh she's the lit she's the new lit girl you know what i'm saying it's like all right he's going to go oh i'm saying go get with Sabrina now i'm not saying he going to get with her for real but he revealed that that's his crush he has a crush on her yeah i know i know you do i bet you do because you're looking at

the same shit i'm looking at young attractive lit talented, got money, got a bunch of fame. All right. I like her. Cool. Now what? Sabrina hears that. Does she want to entertain it?

I don't think so. I think she'll stay away from it. She don't look like the type that are entertaining. Just because of what comes with it. Because now you get the energy from Cardi's fan base, things like that. I think she's going to stay away from that. But yeah, this is exactly what, you know, somebody like offset should move on and date. Go ahead.

Go ahead. Go get Sabrina. Why not? They're fun. I wish that's how it right. If I said I had a crush. Cardi said the nigga rented out the castle, put her through the mattress, all that.

Cool. If Offset get with Sabrina Carpenter, if he pop out at the next Yankee game with Sabrina Carpenter, Cardi going to be sick. And then takes it to a bashman after? Yeah, Cardi going to be sick. I don't care what Stefan over there doing. Cardi going to be over there sick.

I feel like, you know, she's going to be slamming plates and a dishwasher. You're in love with the new nigger. Nah, no, because you still want the, you don't want, you don't want your ex-husband to get with another lit, a lit bitch. You don't want that. You don't wish that for him. You don't pray for that for him. When y'all say y'all wish you the best, no, you don't.

A woman ain't never wished her ex-husband. I feel like when you're really over them, you wish them the best. Listen, let me explain something to you. I hear you. If offset pops out was to bring the carpentor, you're going to see exactly how much Cardi is bothered by that. I'm telling you. That's a fact.

I just also don't think if there was another, if there was another Caribbean woman, I don't think Cardi would care as much. I don't think she'd be bothered by that. A white woman, she's going to be bothered by that. Okay. I promise you, she'll be bothered. You're going to see all of her. I don't want my kids around her.

All of this is going to come out. All of this is coming out. Be me to my point. I'm telling you right now, if he get with Sabrina Carpenter, all of this is coming. Cardi is coming out with all of this. What else have you been right about? A lot. Go down the list, baby, D.

You don't want to give me my flowers. You be wrong about a lot of shit, but you be right sometimes. I like who you write. I'd be right a lot. I mean, sometimes I'm wrong. It's okay. Well, nobody's perfect, but God. But, yeah, I'd be right about a lot.

I'm here to hate. What? What is more right about? A lot. No, no, no, no, no. Hear me, you have been right about a lot of stuff. I'm saying in this instance, is it news that offset finds a white woman attractive? No, no, but I named the white woman.

named the one. Oh, you said Sabrina. Yes. Oh, okay. I'm so sorry. Yeah. He said Sabrina. Exactly. Oh, yeah. My bad. Come on, man. This is me. No, no, no. This is no. This is no live Fridays. We did now. Yeah. This is fate. I apologize. I apologize. I apologize. You know. You know, when you see offset churning butter in Pennsylvania. Yeah, you're right. Cardi is going to lose their mind. That's what Sabrina's from. Pennsylvania. Quakertown. That's where the Amish out, right? I always said. That's just what oatmeal grew. I don't know. Yeah. Well, there's an Amish person on the front, right? Quaker, Quaker Town, Pennsylvania.

Yeah, man. 1999, Jesus Christ. She was born in 1999. Offset can't do that. How old is? Offset's like my age, right? Yeah. He can't do that.

What you mean? See, again, once again, I'm wrong. I cannot believe people born in 1999 are 26 years fucking old. Time is flying. No, time is flying, baby. If you were born in 1999, you're 26 right now. Stefan was born in 1993. Well, all right, that's a little bit of a difference.

Six years? Come on, man. I love a YM. Come on, man. Yeah. Go ahead, Offset, man. Listen, man. And Offset, I'm here to let you know, bro.

Don't do what you got to do to be happy, man. Did you like his new song? The song with... J.I.D. Yeah, I like it. Let the bodies at the Florida. Yeah, I like it. I think it's really good.

I like it. Offset to me has always been talented. Like, I always like, you know what I'm saying? Offset. I always felt like if the Migo's did separate, he would be, you know, he'd be okay because he's talented. So, yeah, I'd like to join with him and J-I-D. I like that.

I think it's good, too. Do we think Island Records would ever even allow Sabrina to be with offset? A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media.

Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment. And the next, we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told,

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Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line.

We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I went and sat on the little ottoman in front of him.

I said, hi, dad. And just when I said that, my mom comes out of the kitchen. And she says, I have some cookies and milk. This is a badass convict. Right. Just finished five years. I'm going to have cookies and milk at mom. Yeah.

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There's an economic component to community striving. If there's not enough money and entrepreneurship happening in communities, they fail. And what I mean by fell is they don't have money to pay for food. They cannot feed their kids. They do not have homes. Communities don't work unless there's money flowing through them. Listen to eating while broke from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. But, oh, no.

See, now I see why you didn't go to Paris because Cardi was out there. I didn't go to Paris because Cardi was in. That's why you didn't hop on the jet with Jay. He was like, I heard Cardi. out there. You know, who are all going to be there? He was nervous? I'm not even paying y'all no mind.

I'm not paying y'all no mind. Well, I mean, I know we talked about Hove a lot already, but that clip of him coming out at the Beyonce show was great. Yeah, I enjoyed. It's always good to see the Carter's together on stage. Niggas in Paris while in Paris. I'll see what you did, dear Jay. Do we think Jay is about...

Such a genius. Do we think Jay is about to potentially be in the studio or release something. No. He don't got, his chain ain't big enough. That was just a wifey. That was a wifey. Let me get my shit off in Paris a Wi-Fi real quick. He was at Fanatics the day before, flew out

probably that night, went to Paris. That's what I'm saying. Like, it ain't just, let me just hop off stage with Wi-fi. Like, that, there was a lot of thought. I don't think Jay wants to be affiliated with none of this rap shit that's going on right now. I don't think he wants his music in the market space

next to any of this shit. I truly don't believe that he's recording anything. I don't think he's recording any music at all. I think he always records, but it's about just catching, like, he puts together albums pretty quickly. I feel like he records all the time, and if he catches a wave for two weeks, it's like, all right, maybe I am ready to go now. I don't, I don't think so. I don't think so. Because, you know, he could have also just been like he had an obligation with fanatics and then just went to go meet his family. That's it.

That's what I went to go see my wife. I had to do this shit and then I went back to the door. Yeah, but as far as him recording music and no, because and I, and then to be honest, if we being honest, we always are. Jay is, Jay is, to me, the greatest of all time. You told my rap, the things that he's accomplished strictly off of rapping. He doesn't sing. He doesn't dance.

He doesn't two notes. This is rap. And the heights and the accolades that he's achieved as just a pure rapper unmatched. I think that he's looking at the landscape of music and rap. I don't think he would. What would a Jay Z album do right now? Like what would be the point of Jay Z putting out of album right now? Like we're going to listen to it.

The newer generation are going to kill it online. Get this old nigger out of here. Nobody want to hear these old rap. I don't want to hear you talk about art that we'll never own. I mean, they did that before, 4-4, though. Who gives a fuck? But this is what I'm saying. And then a week later, people are not even talking about it.

But I think Jay would put an album out if he wanted to. That's what I was getting at. Like, yeah, of course there's no purpose. It's always if he wants to. He don't need to anything Jay's does in life. He'll get out of like 444 off to self-reflection, therapy, relationship. That's what that was about. That was, you know, of course it was marketed because of the two biggest fucking artists ever

that happened to be married. and talked about their relationship after lemonade. But that put it out because that was for him too. It was for him. Yeah. He would have to find that reason. I don't know what that reason could be because of my Jay-Z. But rap in the market back then was in a way better place than it is now.

Sure. So what I'm saying is we know he doesn't need to do anything. He doesn't need to put no music out. He doesn't have, he doesn't owe anybody anything. He doesn't have any dates to hit. Like when it comes to that, everything has to be whether he's motivated, whether he's inspired, whether he's, you know, he's looking at where things are.

And it's like, okay, cool. I like the energy and rap and hip hop right now. I like, you know, just the tone of it was going on. Let me add to that. I don't think he's looking at any of this and is motivated and wants to add what he does to any of this. I think obviously this is in Paris. His song, niggas in Paris.

His wife sold out fucking stadium in Paris. It's a moment. This is like just a. family having a day in the backyard. Like, he was just hanging on the backyard with his wife and his kids. Like, that's what that was. But as far as new music and recording and I don't think Jay is doing any of that. I think he's, he's too entrenched in other shit outside of music.

I mean, if he's motivated and inspired, I hope we get one, but I'm not banking on it. Yeah, no, I don't think. I'm not banking, but I'm begging. I'm praying. And I prayed on Halliburton Downfall and that happened. You said there's Super Bowl rumors of Jay performing at Super Bowl? I saw that. Well, we talked about that when he first took over.

How many years would it not look weird to pick yourself? Oh, yeah, he's performing. Oh, and they're trying to get to see this. It's Vegas. He's trying to get the Sears Palace. Oh, yeah, yeah. He's performing. Yeah.

Man, I need tickets. He's performing. San Francisco? San Francisco this year? Oh, yeah. No, he's not performing. Y'all are so fucking funny. Yeah, San Francisco.

I think the. I think the NFL is going to put pressure to have a non-urban act for this year. But if it was Vegas, yeah, I'd be like, nah, Jay's heavy into the gambling world now. He'd definitely perform Vegas. Oh, yeah, if it's Vegas, he's definitely. But no, I think we're going to get. Morgan. Morgan.

Morgan. He said Morgan Wilden. Halftime show Morgan Wilden? Morgan and Drake? No, I think it'll be. I mean, Jay got there to make sure there was representation at halftime. Now there's another side of the country. that may need some representation.

And they see themselves in Morgan. Listen, man, we could talk about it. Can we? About the Super Bowl. No. I think we may be at that point where Chris could get it. Brown? Yeah.

He couldn't even get the Michael Jackson a fucking tribute. Why wouldn't Chris get it? We already had this conversation. I'm like four times. And listen, I'm which Chris deserves it. But we, I think everybody's passed. If Cuevo doesn't have anything to do that day. I'm sure Cuevo has something.

I met Cuevo before you came. Yeah? Yeah. But I was like, nah, chill. I'm with Chris. You said that? No, I didn't say. I know you didn't.

I know you didn't say it. Chase is just like, I was like, he's no idea of the fuck I. What's up, man? Yeah. One of those. All right. What we really need to get down to is not the Super Bowl. Can you just take B. Simone to Bloomingdale's?

You got Blumentdell's money. I know you do. I've seen your way. wallet. Was that the store that you went to go see on Sunday to support a friend? Yeah, I mean, you opened Bloomingdale. My whole way open to Bloomingdale. You gifted Be Simone a Bloomingdale. A little small shop. A little small shoppy open called Blumentdells. Nothing crazy. I mean, I don't want to laugh at someone crying about not having money because I know what the fuck that it feels like and it sucks, but I'm still confused by this entire thing.

I'm not going to go listen to the whole episode. I want to make that very clear. There's no research here except for the clip that everyone is saw. What is going on? Yeah, so I saw the clip of B Simone and Shikina talking out. Now, a clip of, I think, Shikina went viral the week before when Shikina was saying, you know, people think when you have rich friends that that means that you got money and that you're well off or whatever, whatever. And people were killing that clip. Like, saying, if I had a rich friend and they knew I was struggling and watched me struggle,

like that ain't a friend. And, you know, that whole people think that because your friend got, let's say, $100 million, that means you got $100 million. No, it doesn't go like that. And as a friend, you're not going to keep, you're not going to ask your friend for help if you fucked up. Like, you just don't do that. Now, if your friend got $100 million and they see you struggling,

then yeah, they should absolutely help. If that's your friend, that's what friend's a four. So I saw that clip go viral. Okay, well, how do you feel about that? Because I think that that was, I thought that that was an interesting clip because when I originally watched a clip, I didn't know the background that the friend she was talking about was sitting next. Like, I didn't know.

that she was talking about B Simone, I just seen her saying, you know, I was on food stamps and my car was about to get repossessed or whatever and, like, I ain't have no help and people or not with that her friend. No, she was, but I didn't know that she was at the time. How do you feel about that? Wait, so B. Simone was the rich friend

and she was the struggling friend. Yes. I'm just trying to keep up. And they were doing an episode together where she was talking about scared. People like, you know, I saw you give a check to somebody else and it's like, damn, like, what about me? And I was sitting there watching this shit like, oh, this is...

Now, listen. I have friends from all walks of life. Rich, poor, doesn't matter, right? But there's a thing when, because as friends, you don't necessarily want to ask your friends for help, right? If you, in a tough situation, financially, whatever it may be, you need some help. You don't want to ask your friends for help. Now, should your friends know that you're struggling to know that you're kind of like in need of help? Yeah, that's what friends were for.

You had those conversations. But I've been in situations where I needed help from friends that were well off. And I asked a friend one time, small loan. I was like, yo, listen, money tied up right now. I got a lot of bills that I just want to catch up on. Loan me $5,000. I pay you back next month. All good.

He said no. So I can't do it right now. Cool. from that day that put a fire up under me that I said I will never ask another friend or anybody for help ever again in my life

and I never have by the grace of God never had to God bless the child that has his own so maybe I needed to hear that no maybe I needed that moment like damn maybe help ain't coming got to do what you got

we all got 24 hours in a day it's how you use it how you grind how you hustle cool so I can understand the mentality of not wanting to ask a friend for help, especially as men. You know how we are, prideful, ego. You don't want another man to know that you're struggling

you fucked up, which is dumb when you think about it, especially if you're my friend. You should know I'm struggling. Because then if I go out here and knock some niggas over and put them on their ass and try to get some money, yo, why you ain't called me? I did, nigga, and you said you ain't having it like it. So I had to go put this fucking four five

in the nigger face and get it. Like, you don't know what I had to do. The reason I was out of town the last month. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? But, you know, so I can understand how people don't want to ask friends for help because you just don't want to, you know, be put in that position to have to ask anybody for anything. But. Or make the friendship awkward. Yeah, because it's not. So many times it doesn't happen when you ask a friend for money and they say no. And then now the friendship is fucking weird. Now for me personally, yes, our friendship changed. I got to be honest. Our friendship changed after that. But not in a way where I despise the person and we're not cool. It changed in a way of never. asking for nothing after that. Never asking for nothing before that, which was crazy.

And that's why that shit bothered me, I think, because I never asked nobody for nothing. But in that moment, I was like, this is a small thing to a giant. This ain't shit. And that no, I remember hanging up that phone. I said, I will never ask nobody for nothing again.

That shit, I hurt your soul. And I never, and I, to this day, never asks, which is why I'm worried, be like, yo, even ticker the shit. I don't ask niggas for nothing. Like, I don't ask, when people call me, hit so and so. Like, I don't like asking nobody for nothing.

I just, is it something in me? And not as a result of that before that, I didn't like asking people for shit. I just, that's just how I am. I don't ask somebody because I'm always on the side of, you got, if I'm calling you asking for something, you got 30 niggas ahead of me, because I'm the last nigger to ask anybody for anything.

So that's just my mindset. But as friends, you do need help sometimes. So I understood that clip with Shikina and B talking. people killed them about that clip. Cool. So now B and Shikina again, another clip goes viral. With B is saying, you know, she's so broke now that she has to shop at H&M instead of Bloomingdale's.

And she's saying she's not broke from lack of money. Was she saying that she has lack of liquid? She has her money tied up in assets and investments. Cool, which is, you know, we understand that. So now your lifestyle has to change. You can't spend as much as you were at one point because you're not getting. getting as much money in as you were at one point, your money is tied up. So now you have to kind of budget and, you know, what you should always be doing anyway,

but you have to budget and spend your money wisely and be, you know, more financially responsible. So I understand that. My only thing would be saying that is rich people shop at H&M. People that are financially great. She didn't land her point is pretty much. Yeah, like people that are financially great and well off shopping. Bad version of struggling.

Yeah. So it's like, yo, you can be. Great financially in shop at H&M. But I understood what she was saying. Meaning I had to change my lifestyle. I had to change the way I was spending money. I had the budget. I had the money that I was spending so freely before.

I cannot do that anymore, which is what she was trying to say. But like Rory said, she didn't land it, didn't word it properly. But I understood what she was saying. Like, yo, I can't spend blindly the way I used to at one point. Like, I have to be more, you know, mindful of the way I'm spending money. So I understood what she was saying. But it doesn't matter on the internet. you said what you said, they're going to kill you for exactly what you said, not what you're, what you meant.

They're going to kill you for what you said. So I understand what be meant by that. And shout out to Hunter, Shikina, on going viral once again. How much money do you think she asked be someone for? How much money do I think she asked? Yeah. She didn't ask. I was going to say, I don't know if she asked her.

Oh, okay. Yeah, she didn't. She was initially saying. I'm on the mind of, I couldn't, I would, me personally, I don't know their relationship. If my best friend was staring me in my face, Senator, they were talking. to me about I watched you give a check to somebody else, but I ain't have no food in my fridge. I ain't have this. I ain't have that.

I would feel like a piece of shit. Oh, now wait, hold on. If I'm starving and can't even feed myself. She said she had to get on food stamps. Yeah. Yeah. At that point, if you have a friend that's well off, like, now again, again, because I've seen this too, baby D, people be struggling, fuck them, and you don't have no idea.

Some people's front game is immaculate. I got personal friends that I'm like yo bro I Why you ain't just say something? We could have went to whole foods and filled this whole shit up like you know what I'm saying But again people had this pride and this ego Yeah They front game be strong and they don't want people to see them struggling It's a real thing and I understand it because I've done it

Now I ain't ever open my fridge and just seen bacon soda in that motherfucker like Nigger gonna eat but I've done that it's like listen and you don't want nobody to know We don't want nobody to know I mean, it's whack, though, because... The bacon soda is funny. I'm so sorry. That's just so accurate. Yeah, but it's real.

Some people open their fridge, baking soda, celery. You're not even doing nothing with celery. You better dip that bitch just some peanut butter. Y'all ain't seen. That came with the side of wings. That juice stretched out for two days. Why you got celery in the drawer? You're trying to keep the celery fresh, too.

Throw that shit out, man on the right climate shit. You throw that shit. And you're not eating celery. I know this, nigga. Or some, I mean, not some pineapple, some peanut butter or some ranch to that bitch and it gets you through a night. And that's all we're trying to do is get through the night. Get through the night. That's the motto. A lot of niggas live by.

See, I don't want to be around them type niggas no more. Niggas that just trying to make it to tomorrow. They focus and energy is different than that. It's going to be your B-Simone clip. No, no, I'm just not saying I don't love it, but I can't be. It's just because they're willing to do anything. For sure. You get what I'm saying?

It's like, and you don't want to be around when they get that moment of, fuck it. Like, this is the moment. We're like, y'all got to do it now. You don't want to be around when the person that is on their last feels like, yo, it's now or never. Yeah. Because you might be the now. I was going to say, once you turn them down for money, they also know your patterns

because they're your friends. You start looking like a plate. You're looking like a plate. You looking good. Skin looking good. Nigger, you gaining weight. I just saw your IG. You was just in Turks.

Niggas throwing shrimp at you. All kind of shit going on. I'm in here celery. Nah, I'm going to. get this nigga. You real shit, though. That's how, what you mean? Yes.

I'm talking real shit. Even if they don't go as far as robbing you, I've seen friends see your, your friends see your blessings up close. So I've seen shit turn weird. Myfuckus turn weird. Man, I don't see you send niggas in a nigga house to rob a man. I haven't seen it all. So that's why when everybody gets the time, I didn't seen it. This is like you got to understand patterns.

Some people be out here really twisted. and you out here looking like you're just doing good. Listen, it's not the time to be around people that's messed up if you're not trying to help. If you're not trying to, you know, uplift and then help them get out of their situation sooner or later. Listen, they're going, it's survival. You don't want to be around people that's in survival mode all the time. And unfortunately, that's the environment. That's the neighborhood that a lot of us grow up in.

We all grow up trying to survive. Like Baby D said, make it through the night. That's it. A win is a win. A win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th.

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