New Rory & MAL - Best of Rory & Mal: Week of 6/9

Episode Date: June 15, 2025

This week on New Rory & Mal, Rory stands up for Lil Wayne after the internet rips Carter VI, Rory and Mal coach Demaris through speed dating, Timbaland goes a little too far with AI, and even old people need a little love sometimes #volumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Four gets tricky. I only know four because Rocky Four is one of my favorite movies. That's why I know five is just the V. So I like that, I know. But after that, dude, this could be 11 for all I fucking know. Carter Six dropped on Friday. I know it's sounded like an excuse in the media room when the amount of people off mic they were saying what you think of,

I was like, I really haven't had time to listen. Yeah. And everyone thinks when you say that you're trying to be polite and saying it's trash. I hadn't, but I did end up listening to the Carter Six, and while I may share some sentiments that the timeline did for the entire weekend, which was just trying to ruin a legend's legacy off a project, it's not as fucking bad as y'all made it seem to be. It is, the production is a little all over the place, and yes, we do know Wayne to experiment, but sometimes experiments go bad, and sometimes you should take that experiment.

and go, well, we tried it. Let's delete it. Yes, I had some moments on there for sure. But it was not as fucking bad as we made this out to be on the timeline. Like, I was going into that thinking this was horrendous. Yeah. And the first two records, I was like, this is dope. And then started to take a few turns.

But I don't know, with certain rappers, and maybe this is a little hypocritical, because I am very critical of Eminem. and I think his first four, five albums are incredible. But after that, it just is a shit show. Wayne, shouldn't Wayne get a little bit more grace from us if he does drop a dud? Like, what do we expect outside of Nas and Hove? How have we seen hip hop age well as far as discography goes? But that's the thing, Rory.

When you're, like you said, Nas and Hove, you put those names out there in regards to Little Wayne. So you're putting Little Wayne in a space where these are the best. best of the best. So when you're, and responsibility comes with that, when you're deemed one the best of the best, some people have him as being the greatest rapper ever. Some people have him being, you know, better than Jay-Z, better than Nas, better than whoever you have at the top. Some people have Wayne number one. And while I don't agree with that, I can see someone of a certain age and where they were in their life liking Wayne more than a hove. And I think he's

done enough to be in the goat conversations. I just don't think he's better than Hover or Nas, but he's there. What? Nothing. Sorry. I'm sorry. I'm listening. So yeah, I think

I think M's last, however many albums, have kind of fucking sucked. I think you could maybe make a case that M may have more bad albums than good ones, but based on that run that he had, if somebody said Eminem is the greatest rapper

of all time or should be in the go conversation, I'd say yes. You have every right to say that. So I think Wayne deserves that same grace, even though this may have not been up to bar. Well, that's why I'm always on the side of Tom will always tell. And I'm with people saying Wayne is their favorite rapper. But when you get into the field of saying Wayne is the greatest rapper, that's why I always give people pushback. Like, he can be your favorite

rapper. Fine. I'm totally fine with that. But when you start saying he's the greatest rapper, now we can go to catalog, we can go to, you know, songs, we can go to things that can kind of like make this more realistic and more reality. And when you get to somebody like Wayne, I always felt like Wayne could rap, no argument there. I just never felt like Wayne was as great of an artist or rapper as some happen. He's one of my favorites, personal favorites for sure. But when you start talking about the greatest of all time, the goat conversation.

Well, I mean, that's all objective. But I think... It is objective. I feel even in a non-objective way, I think Wayne should be in that conversation, which to me gives him the grace of not doing what the internet did over the weekend based off. Nah, nobody's, nobody's exempt. The greats are never exempt from that, Roy.

You're never exempt from that. No, I'm saying to the degree, hear me out. I feel like Wayne also being from the era where you have to have so much output, whereas Naz and Hove in the beginning and middle of their career, they were in the regular album cycle shit where it's like, I put an album out, I go on tour, I disappear for a year. rinse and repeat. Wayne was at the time where you had to put out three mixtapes while you were rolling out your album. Like his output was based off the era he was in.

And when you have so much output, there's a high chance that some of it may suck. So I don't think it's an even comparison. And then I remember when I was a teenager, when Nas, when I was a teenager was the time when people started to question Nas a bit. I was young for the golden era of Nas. Still Maddick, I was young. I was like the first Nause project I like remember was there the entire thing. Godson was great, but one street disciple, which I think is a good album, hip hop is dead, untitled.

That run, even though I like those projects, people from your era were like, nah, that ain't it. But I never saw anyone. Wayne? No, I'm saying Nause, right? Oh. I never saw anyone completely shit and discredit Naz's entire legacy the week that Untitled came out. And I just think it's unfair what people are doing away. If you dislike it, cool.

I feel you. I get it. And it's okay to say that. Art is to be judged. But I saw it like it was a next level of Wayne tear down. Yeah, but I think that none of, none of Card or two doesn't exist. I think that that would happen from any of the grades. I think right now if Nas put out a dud, the timeline will kill him.

I think right now if Jay-Z dropped the dud, the timeline would kill him. I think right now if Drake dropped the dud, the timeline would kill. I think that's reserved for the grades. Like the grates are not supposed to drop duds. That's just what comes with being labeled as one of the goats. You can drop a dud. You don't got to drop a classic every time out. We're not saying give us a classic album every time you release.

But I can't sit here and give Wayne any, you know, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, any, put out six albums that were incredible. I agree. So this is, but this is, but this is what that's why I try to bring up the time when we didn't know the run that he was going to go on with King Disease and magic. Like before we got to life is good, which I think is a cult classic. Those three albums before that, everyone was like, well, I mean, he's still gnaz. But like this is just the latter half of his career. We thought at that time. Yeah.

Why can't we just give that same grace to Wayne? I don't like it either, but that doesn't mean I'm shitting on his entire existence. Yeah, I mean, everything he's ever done. You can't, anybody trying to shit on Wayne's entire existence and careers, you're just looking for attention on the timeline and trying to rile people up. But, no, Wayne is still one of the goats. He's still one of the greatest. He's still a little Wayne. Let's keep that very clear.

I just think that, you know, the timeline heard the latest project and weren't happy with it, didn't like it, you know, expected more, expected better from Wayne. Some production was just all over the place. That's mainly what it was. But those are things that, you know, again, when you want you create art and put it out, the consumers will, you know, they will judge it. They will give you their opinion on it. A lot of people didn't like the project. I've seen some people that did. but that's not make any mistake about it

it's still little Wayne at least it wasn't AI that's a whole other conversation very true like at least Wayne is actually still writing and still rapping and it's still him like I'm just grateful he's picking the experiment and look at what we're just grateful for that we're grateful that the artist actually got in the booth

and actually spit some bars into the microphone like we're just grateful for that but um there's a couple of jumps on there I like the flex up I believe it's called flex up record uh it was another one that I liked but a lot of it I probably won't go back to but those two it flex up and it was another one that I really like Bells welcome to the Carter first of you joined

Welcome to the Carter I think are great that one I like that band from NO I didn't fully understand because he's already smoked the band from TVB on no ceilings yeah like I just don't get it but I mean I thought it was great that Nikki came right away when when the hate train was happening and remixed it within 24 hours like I think their relationship is cool to why because in hip hop usually this many years in between two artists and one signed you, that's usually a shit show.

Yeah. Like there's beef at that point. Everyone hates each other. People doing Vlad interviews. Like, I love that Nikki still, you know, whatever Wayne needs, she's showing up because she understands what Wayne, you know, did for her, which she talks about constantly. Oh, man. We talk about that constantly.

I admire Nikki for always making sure everyone knows what Wayne did for everybody. I appreciate Nikki does that type of thing. I had to stop dating. I went on a date one time and called my old shit crying. I said, I hate it out here. I'm coming back. These niggas tried to make me take a fucking train back home from a date. I hate it here.

I can't live like this. Come stop being a hoe and just let me love you. Stop being a ho. Crying, yo. I was like, I cannot get back out here. But fuck it. I'm like out here now. up. See? Back outside.

With them fine, niggas. I'm trying to find niggas. I've been cuffed up too long. Let me remind niggas, yeah, Cardi. That spoke to your soul, huh? It's going to speak to your soul, too. Me and Ma'among. I'm going to, um, go, um, speed day and find some holes. Me and you. I'm down. You down? For real? Would you go? Speed day? Yeah. Okay. I'm going to find the ones with bad

I'm not looking for nobody at the speed day. What's the speed day that has the bad bitches? Speed day and be have bad bitches. I don't know. I've never done sweet dating. But bad regular women, though. Like the, like the Jake Cole fans. All right, hold on. Speed dating is like cuck dating to me. How? Are you just watching the girl you like talk to 50 men in one second?

It's not 50. It'd be like 12 and it's for like 60 seconds. And like imagine if you, because the girls move or the guys move? The girls move. No, the guys move. The guys move. Okay, but you're still in the same rotation, right? Like what if I don't even know more but he's ahead of me and like the whole time I'm trying to date?

All I can hear is him making every girl. laugh after I didn't make her laugh. You know how weird that must feel? That's why speed dating would be rough. Yeah, you can't. You got a speed dating. It's just so much going on. Yeah, it's a lot.

That's a lot. I mean, I'm down to go just to have fun with you. That'll be fun. And then the girl that doesn't, like the girl doesn't move, she can hear the other guy use the same lines one table over. Like, there's no winning in that entire thing. Yeah, see, I'm, but I'm, I would be a bad speed dater. Because if I'm hitting up with my funnies and she ain't laughing,

like, look, she laughed. I think she's the one like here she laughed she thought I was she thought I was great number three thought I was hilarious she thought I was great like I don't know why you're not laughing but whatever and so do you exchange numbers how does it work I think if you like them at the end you like exchange so you get 60 seconds to get your shit off 60 seconds that's how people get mad I'm coming in hot coming up what you're saying come on do it right now 60 seconds we start in now favorite position have you have you fucked on the first day before how long did it last did you like it more spit of swallow Oh, my fucking.

Yeah, you got to get 60 seconds? We're only 10 seconds in. Yeah. I'm looking at the clock. You got to go to it. I'm not comfortable answering any of those questions, sir. Why are you here? Because I'm trying to get in a relationship.

I'm not just trying to fuck. Okay, so you're trying to get in a relationship? What are you looking for? I'm looking for a guy that's like nice, sweet, honest. At a speed date? Yeah. Nobody's honest at a speed day. We got 60 seconds to lie.

Nobody's fucking at a speed date. I fucked at a speed date. I'm here every month. You got to get your shit off You got to get your shit off You guys have 10 more seconds You gotta get your shit off I think you're a serial killer

And I think I'm okay But I did enjoy this time with you You were funny Switch All right bye Here's the thing Let's say there's 20 girls there Mall is definitely

Just by sheer numbers He's fucking three girls from there Based off that approach For sure God I didn't say all But there's definitely three girls that are definitely into that exact.

I put short knocking three shots down. If you come with that energy, I go three for 12, but I'm not leaving here with anything in my book bag. Three is crazy. Yeah, three for 12. I went three for 12 tonight, coach.

Put me in. All right, but that probably left more of an impression, even if it was a creepy one or hypersexual one to... Everybody will be talking about me. Let's start the clock. Now, what's your name? Demaris. Oh, like, what do you want to say?

like what type of stuff do you like to do? I like to read. I like to dance. I like to cook. I like to entertain my friends. I'm a family-oriented person. How about you? Okay.

I like outdoor sports and, you know, like I'm really into reading as well. Like, what is your last, where's your last? He's gay. What is leaving a lasting impression? My bullshit or what he did? Yeah. Because you're going to wonder about him after speed dating is over. There's a middle ground, though.

There's a middle ground. You're going to look him up online to really find that guy to figure out what was wrong. You're going to be mad you didn't take my number. No. I'm coming in hot. What time is it? We starting at 36. Hold on.

So why are you here? Because you're way too fine to be single. Talking to me or the guy next to me. There's too many people going. Sir, can we start the clock again? I don't know what he's talking to. You're talking to me or him? I'm talking to you.

See, you got you got nervous. He got breakfast. He got breakfast. All right. All right. Okay. Three, two, one, go. Okay.

So you way too fine to be single. What you're doing here? You probably said that to the last three guys. Does it matter? Yo, she said the same thing to you? Does it matter if I'm saying to you right now? What's up? But you said it one minute to go to somebody else.

It doesn't matter. Why do you keep worrying about him when I'm right here? How are you? Because we sit and thigh to thigh. What's your name? My name is Rory. Do you have any kids? Yes.

Can you show me a picture of her? Fuck no. Do you want any more? Not with somebody that says the same thing The last three guys Why did you come to speed dating If you're so worried about What the other men are you here for him?

No, I'm not We're just having to be sitting next to each other Yay! He's too nervous He's shaking I got him shaking He blushing and shit Like, come on now

Come on now Yes, I would like kids eventually You would? Okay So are you interested in like casual dating Are you looking for something serious? Like what prompted you to do? I'm looking for casual

into serious Okay. Rent to buy. 917. 392. Yeah. Wait, that got the number? Yo, man.

You didn't think my rent to buy line was fire? No. That guy, he's a serial killer. You can't get, nah, see, that's why I can't go speed in because I'll yell at. But, you, he got your number?

Nah. Come on, yo. What's funny is I would, I'd probably call her. No, you wouldn't. That's not the girl you want. Why is, hey, What the fuck? Why is that not the girl you want?

No, you don't want that girl. Why? What's wrong with me, Maul? No, nothing is not you. Nothing is wrong with you. I'm just saying you don't want the girl that a conversation like that. You don't want her number. Oh, I do because that's hilarious. See, he's weird. Why? You don't like smooth women more?

That was a smooth. That was funny. Yeah, that was a smooth. That was just funny. Because you made it awkward. I know. I was writhing you up and you kept being weird. I was smooth. Saying you too fine to be here is not risen it up.

You too fine to be here. I ain't never seen you. around here before. Yeah, where you come from? Because I really would have met that. If we were being serious, I would have met that with, well, why are you here? You don't think highly of yourself? Nah, that's what you got to say, because I knew you was here. See? I knew you was here.

See? Me and you don't have risk. I don't even do this. I don't even, I don't even really do this. I have reality. I have reality. I like that. That rich shit is cute at the party. And don't, I can do that for fun for funzies at the party. I've never seen you do. ever is.

When you be talking to bitches you be like you just like you, they love you because you're like awkward funny.

Peach, you've seen me in action. Pete. Peach, Remarkable. Remarkable. Peach, don't piss me off. Pete's be in the back like

he's so good, man. He's just so good. How does he do it? Look at him, man. Look at him go. Man, I was using that. I feel like we've known

each other line before it. was mainstream. Yeah. You were on the ground with that. You were like we've known each other forever. You was indie with that line. It's like it's definitely. Yeah.

Grassroots. I was fat beats at the... I was the raucous of that line. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, no, I only known each other tonight. I just feels like we've known each other forever. I'm just so comfortable around you. A win is a win.

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Think he'll plug them. Think he'll, you know, I got no ego with Tata. Yeah, yeah. She can do whatever. Just upload the beat and let Tata do what she want to do. Like, you know. That caused, I had to play catch up. Over the weekend, of course, that caused a lot within not just hip-hop, but the producer

community. Timerlin announced that he has his new AI artist partnered with Stage Zero, I believe it is. And he's introducing Tata that is a living, learning music artist. They tried to flip it in the press release that it's not AI to the point that I started reading like, oh wait, is it

an artist that they're using AI with? And then I got to the end of the articles and no, this is a made up person. They said she's living and breathing. No, she's not. She's not an avatar. She's not a character. Yes, she is. Tata is a living, learning autonomous music artist, autonomous music artists. Chad. He wrote this for them, too.

Built with AI, I wrote this. Tata is the start of something bigger, you don't say. She's the first artist of a new generation. A pop is the next a pop is the next cultural evolution and Tata is its first icon. Yeah, I saw

as I knew I would, I saw a guru on an IG live. Shouts to guru with Timberland, man. Also a great example of you can have just honest conversation with each other without disrespect because, you know. There's no disrespect from Google. No, no, of course.

But I love that guru, like, even in the comment he left under this release of how this is problematic. Like, Tim, I love you. I want to have this conversation with you because I love you. Yeah, I think we all love it. This could harm all of us. We all love and respect and appreciate. And Tim to take that information.

Yeah, it has given us. That goes without saying. I gave Timble in the thumbs down when we sat with J.D. And I asked him about this at BT week. And I still give Tim a thumbs down. Timber is not supposed to be attached, though, part of any of this. This is not the way we want to go with the music. We are ready, with the music industry and the music business being the way it is and ran the way it is, for us to now be implementing artists and songs and music to this type of technology, I just don't think Timlin's brand should be a part of this.

I mean, Swizz brought up an interesting point that I guess I agree because I do not agree. I'm on the side of guru with everything that he said about how these AI artists are legitimately just digesting catalogs of music to create how good they are. And no artist or producer, we don't even know what they're using. Like you can legitimately upload an entire catalog to create this AI shit with no back end to the artist at all. Like how is that fair if I give you Jay Z and Nas computer and they're like they have the ability to be just as good is fucking insane? and you don't give credit to any of the artists. Very detrimental to the community of creatives. But I do see what Swizz is saying on the tech side.

This AI shit is happening regardless. And you even saw, he didn't mention this part, but I knew what he was getting at. Black artists were late on the streaming side. We even saw what Hove had to do with title to try to keep up with what was going on with Spotify and Apple and how everything was switching to streaming. Everybody was late.

if the white artists are already going to use it and are ahead of it, why can't Tim get in there as well? Because it's going to happen. Yeah, but that don't mean a lot of shit is. And when the rules start to change, the way streaming has, where that is the only way the biggest community consumes music. Yeah, a lot of people thought streaming may be detrimental and we weren't getting paid enough. And there was different slides of who was getting paid this and paid that. If you don't set the rules now and make sure that all the communities are represented in everything, is fair in this, it could get even crazier when AI becomes the standard, the way streaming

became the standard. And I'm not saying Tim is doing this, because he definitely didn't mention that in the fucking press release. Like, this is to make sure black creatives are taking care of. This bitch is a K-pop video game. And no disrespect to K-pop, I've been attacked by enough fucking groups. I was going to say, been attacked by enough groups over the past few months. I think it is safe to say that K-pop is very much influenced by black couples. culture. Is that a crazy statement? No, it's not. You could make the statement a bit crazier than the word influenced. But with that said, I see what Swiss is saying. I don't think that's Tim's intentions at all, but... I don't. I don't think that Timberland, Swiss, any of our

greatest producers and musicians have to do anything with AI artists. I don't think they have to at all. At all. I'm with you. I get AI as a technology that is here that has happened. in and all of this, I get that. But when it comes to musicians and making music and things like that, God bless his soul. I find it very hard to even fathom or think that Quincy Jones would have ever been a part of anything like this. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I don't think Stevie Wonder will ever lend his musical ability to anything AI. I don't think so. I agree, but you don't know the Stevie Wonder that is born in 2022. And this is already close to what a standard is with certain music business in 2025.

When that kid grows up in this era, that's all they'll know. Like, it'll just be it. Like if Stevie was born in 2025 and then in 15 years when he started to like want to become an artist, this is going to be a standard. So I don't know Steve would have been like, nope. I don't believe in that. I think, I think, just keys for me.

Like, he, he'd be coming up in a society in a music world where this wasn't taboo. This is just what's being taught to you.

I don't think so. I hope not. I hope I'm wrong about that, but yeah, because I don't think that, I don't, shit, I don't think you would ever do anything with AI.

But I, see, I don't know that because even before, like, I love the paywall shit and I think streaming is detrimental. We've been talking for 10 years

about how much it fucks over artists. I have to use. it. Like, it's in, it's the era that I'm in. And a kid that was born in a streaming. That's different than having an artist that's not a real person. And you just implement your musicianship and as Timlin goes and takes this production

and puts it into a file and they take an artist, running it through a program. I can't even call it artists, AI, running through a program. And then now you have a record. I just don't, there's so many musicians that we're taking the soul out of We're taking the soul out of musicianship. We're taking the soul out of artistry.

Like, if we're just going to use a program to create a song and to create, it's like I just don't, there are a lot of musicians that I think young musicians that I don't think would ever be a part of anything like this. I just don't see it. Yeah, and I mean, I saw a lot of other people

that are very much pro-AI and it's here now, so I'm going to utilize it and I'm not going to be left behind, say this is what people said about sampling. This is what people said about Autotune. Yeah, we said, but this is apples and bowling balls. Like, I can see why some artists were mad about sampling outside of it if you were actually stealing. But just how it took away from music.

And even when Prince said, at what point are we going to get that the sample is being sampled by the sample of the sample. But Prince sampled as well. But he was just saying it's getting a little too ridiculous now. Autotune as well. That was frowned upon, even though people were using autotune at a very light level and no one knew when it went all the way up. It was killed and now it's a standard.

I still don't think it's the same as Tata. Yeah, but it's a standard for people that can't really perform to a certain level. Autotune is a standard for somebody that can't sing in key, somebody that can't stay on tune, somebody that's okay. You felt this is kind of out of key. His note was a little flat. Let me implement this technology to adjust it and make it sound good. Whitney Houston didn't have that problem. No.

Beyonce doesn't have that problem. Very true. Like you have the greats. Jazz M. Sullivan is not autotuned. But there's also music. Alex E.L.A.L.A.L.T. Fair. And I think that's a stat that they have and should be proud of and we should honor and make sure that people know that they don't.

Because they're real musicians. They're real artists. But there's music that I love that uses some tune. I'm not, I'm not saying this. I'm not saying this music that doesn't use that isn't good. I'm just saying it's not the standard. I've heard Kendrick and Cole use a shit ton of tune on stuff that I've loved. Absolutely, but it's not the standard Yeah. Not the complete sound of autotune,

but autotune being used originally before people started turning it all the way up what it was used for to clear up like a couple of crackly vocals. People have been, I'm sure Beyonce has used it before. I'm sure Jasmine has used it before. I'm sure in Beyonce settings right now

there is some tune. Yeah. Yeah. Like, so it's just because people are using it more and more and turn it up a little bit. I think y'all are being disrespectful to Beyonce. I don't think she uses autotune at all on any of her vocals.

I don't know. I can't say for sure for certain, but they're... Mixing vocals is something different. I don't think anybody has to pitch correct Beyonce's vocals. I just don't think so. I don't think so. I feel like every artist has a bad day sometimes. Yeah, but I'm saying Beyonce's bad day, she'll just come back on a good day.

Okay. That's, listen, I don't know. That's probably... And I mean, even with, I'll never sit here to pretend to know every last thing about mixing and mastering. But no matter what in this era, if you are cutting through Pro Tools at... It's like almost automatic is going to smooth out some stuff. No matter who you are. Listen, I get that.

There's going to be a touch somewhere. I get that. I get that part of it. But you know the auto tune I'm talking about. Oh, yeah, for sure. Like, I don't mean you're going to name under the artist, but you know the tune I'm talking about. I think it works where it works. Like, I don't know.

Did anyone think Zapp and Rogers like that was, talk box was used in a creative way in that, even though it's not straight auto tune. And, you know, it takes down. But that's because that was the sound. the exact sound. And yeah, you're playing it through the keyboard. Like, it takes fucking talent. And what, I think T-Pang can really sing, for real.

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Yo, what it is, man. It's your boy Cliff Collin from East Texas, man. Shout out to the pie. Love what y'all do, bro. Keep doing what y'all doing. But I need some homie advice. So the homie just separated from his wife For preference

We probably met our wives around the same time We was young probably like 24, 25, something like that We're 30 now, turning 31 this year So my nigga's back out on the streets You know what I'm saying? She took his 20s now he has his 30s type shit But anyway, bro It's like I'm trying to

I'm trying to figure out what to tell my bro, man I'm trying to like I'm giving them all the like, you know what I'm saying, the regular guy advice type of shit. Like, bro, it get greater later, bro, keep your head up. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? He wasn't that fucked up, but you know, it's a whole lifestyle change or whatever.

And if I'm being for real, bro, this was a situation we kind of knew it was coming. Like, he'd have lasted no type shit. But like, he's straight, bro. My nigga's going to bounce back. He'll be all right in time type shit. But what advice should I give to homie, man? Should I just be like, you know, knock down the first thing you see walking, bro? you know what I'm saying, just to get the wind underneath his wings type shit.

But I don't know. And also, though, he, the homie that's kind of like the serial monogamous. Like, my nigger loves a relationship. I'm like, bro, just chill, homie. Like, you know what I'm saying? But I don't know. So I kind of want to try and like my niggie, like, you know, bro, you know, focus on you type shit or what?

Man, what should I be telling the homie at this time, bro? Love. I mean, should we gear the advice more towards the gentleman that left the voicemail? Because he's going to be the one that's going to end up in some hot, water. If his man's goes out, you have to understand his girl looked at his friend as this was the couple that we hung out with. That's a safe guy. We're both engaged. I'm sure the girls probably relatively got along. Like that's, I know if he's going out with him, everything's cool because that's also an engaged guy. They're not doing bullshit. That friend now, if he hits the streets

heavy, his fiance is going to look at him weird. Like, what's y'all doing out there? That's not the safe friend anymore. He should be very careful. and how he moves with his friend. Because that's going to cause arguments in the house, for sure. The idea of hitting the streets just sound crazy as me. It's just so nasty out there right now. Hitting the streets for what, nigga, if you could get your girl, go get her back. I mean, I don't know.

In 2025, it's 31, like that crazy to be newly single. Back in the day, it probably was. But, like, I don't, people are getting married, at least up here. the South is probably a little different, but people aren't getting married that early anymore. Like, it's not that crazy at all to get back out there at 31, I feel like, especially as a man. When you say get back out there, like, where are we getting to? Like, what are we doing? Are we, are we, are we in the club scene? Are we like, you could be in the club at 31. You can be, but I don't know if you want to be, though. Depends on the type of club. Like, where do people go? Like, what's a good club to go to?

Well, New York has no clubs, right? So, like, if you're down south, it has... The fact that you said that shit and tried to move on, like, New York has no clubs. That is crazy to say that. This is New York City we're talking about. I mean, the fact that Little Sisters had this run tells me that. Because before a club would have two years, they changed the name.

And be like, yo, that used to be Canal Room. Now is this. It's just Little Sister. Just got like a decade run right now. Yeah, that's... I don't know, man. I mean, you know, being 31 and being single is not a bad thing, I guess. Just be careful of where you...

place your energy though. Don't go out there just try to jump into the mix of the fuck the first thing that you see. Yeah, don't do that because that's how you're going to bump your head. Don't do that. Slow down, go put it in neutral, you know, just take things easy. Go out there, you know, observe the landscape, you know, for learn the lingo. You know what saying? Like you got to, yeah. Learn the lingo's funny. Yeah, because you, you're in a new, it's a new territory for you. Your whole 20s, you was in a committed relationship. Now you're in your 30s. You don't want to just be out there just doing anything. thing. Like, you still got to kind of, you know what I'm saying, preserve your legacy a little bit.

Yeah. And if he's on the serial monogamous shit, like, don't go out there and not fuck the first thing. The wife, the first thing that you see. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Go, I'm lonely. So just be here. Go down, go out there, observe. Make sure you know who you around, who you're talking to. Don't get caught up with the wrong type of women. Like, it's tough, man. Maybe even to get your feet wet, spin the block with a girl you can trust that's just going to clown you for the first night of saying, I told you it wouldn't work out with that bitch. Welcome home. But who you spend the block with? He was in the relationship of his whole 20s. You spend a block with somebody from high school? They said five. 25. They met their fiancys. I think he said.

Oh, okay. They're 31 now. So five, okay. Okay. I'm sure in his early 20s, there was one girl that he was fucking, like somebody you could trust. Don't spend a block. Don't spend a block. Learn from me and Rory. Don't spend a block. But it makes you comfortable coming out of something. Hold, whoa, whoa, whoa. Don't try to talk over that, Roy. Let let, let Maris, what she said. Let let that breathe. I was trying to get past it. No, no, no, no, no, we're not getting past. trying to change the subject. Let that breathe. She just opened a bottle of red wine.

Let that breathe for a second. Demarest, what you mean? Learn from you and Roe. Learn from me and Roe. You're still spinning. Now, I promise you. I promise you, we on a whole new avenue now, nigga. I promise you.

Niggas. We burnt a blog down. This is why I hate Baby D because she take her ass to one burger's in bottle. One cartwheel and Denzel. Yeah. Now all of a sudden, nobody may not dab her dime. Like yo, yo, what's up with you, yo? What's up?

We ain't, we ain't our new blocks. I ain't even never been to Mount Vernon before. It's a whole new niggins there. I ain't never seen them niggins before. Fuck the block. Baby, I'm gonna tell you right now, if I see you hanging out of Mount Vernon, I'm whooping your ass. I'm like, you know, right? Get your ass out of here.

Get out of Mount Vernon. She's talking like this is some other land. That shit is up the sawmill. Yeah. Those niggas ain't shit just like us. That's fine. The Mount Vernon. niggas ain't shit.

They got a new smell. They got a new smell. Tied to the same old shit. Them niggas got front yards and backyards. I will say that. The niggas in Malvern. They got a front yard. And they take the Metro North

if we take the tub. We're like, yeah, I get why they would want to feel a little more. The coach was a little different. It's a little, but they still ain't shit, though. I know a bunch of niggas in Mount Vernon ain't shit. That's fine. But to Rory's point, just Rory

telling you to spend a block because that's what he would do. And me and him have both learned not to do that anymore because you're a new person. Go be a new person. go meet new people, go enjoy your life. Stop trying to go backwards and relive the glory days and living your comfort ways.

Don't spin the block, I'm telling you. I'm not saying spin the block the way you and I may have where that then becomes the other relationship. Yeah. Like you spend the blog as like, all right, well, that didn't work out. So now I'm in a relationship with the girl I was with before. I'm not saying that. I'm saying to get your feet wet because you haven't been outside,

fucking a stranger can be a little weird. Fuck someone you can trust. That type of spinning the block. Not making it a thing. That's scary. way. 31. I'm not saying a 10-year toxic relationship.

No, no, I get what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Follow this because you spun the block, but, you know, somebody that you know what their pussy sounds like. Yeah, you have some type of rapport with them. You can, you know, it's just a little comfort zone there. Yeah. Not going to tease you for a little bit, but that's, that comes with it.

Yeah, yeah. Nothing wrong with a little tease when you newly single. But get the blood going. Or, I mean, I don't know, man. I don't know your personality. Maybe the best way to get out of your. serial monogamous shit, and this breakup is to just go fuck a bunch of random civilians. Oh, listen to some sugar-free.

Take that out. Yeah, you got to just play sugar-free. He'll tell you exactly how to move. But, I mean, again, I'm nervous for his friend because if his decision is to go out and, you know, find some random new pussy and really get out there, he's going to need his man's with him. And that puts you in a compromising situation. Yeah. And, you know, like, what if your girl still talks to his ex? Like, that's rough.

I don't want to be involved in that. Yeah, man. I don't know. Who got who in the divorce? That's always rough too. You got to ride with you, man, no matter what. No, of course. But we've even had voicemails about that type of situation where he had to, like, quietly

talk to his man's because his wife was like, no, we got the girl in the divorce. You don't fuck with him no more. I wish my girl would tell me you don't fuck with him no more. It's my man. I've never dated a girl that I think would he do. broke up with your home girl. It's pretty common. If my girl was to be like,

yo, nah, we ain't, what? We off that. What if he, all right, what if he violated her? Gave her something she can't get rid of. Oh, nah,

that's crazy. That's crazy. It's out of your hands at that point. At that point, it's like, yo, your son, you were out, like, and no,

you can't come back in my house. And the fact that you thought you could is crazy. Yeah, you can't do that. Or he had a baby on her. Like, that's wild. You can't do that. Nah, now,

baby is different. A baby versus a STD. They're both things that stay with you. Yeah, but a baby's not a transmitted disease, bro. Like, that's not. Like, shit. I've met some kids that I feel like are STD.

Nah, I bet, y'all are crazy. Umar just, he just told you Amara was throwing shit on his walls the other day. You talk about STD, so relax. Yeah. So it's home. She's giving us some colors. I was talking about other people's kids. Nah, but I, I mean, if my homeboy was dating my girl's best friend and

kind of was like, you know, that type of situation. and he had a baby on her. That's, yeah, you probably have to stay out of that one. That's kind of nuts. But I'm not going to stop talking to my homeboy forever, though. They're engaged, and he has a, Cheetah has a child while they're engaged. That's, yes, that's, that's past gonorrhea. I'm sorry.

So you wouldn't, you would never talk to him again? That would be a weird relationship if my wife just his friends with, like, if that was our, if that was our crew of the four of us for five years, yeah, that's a very awkward situation. I'm not saying he could come to the. crib and still kicking with you while you're like I'm not saying like imagine but you would never talk to him no no I'm not saying okay all right but I'm saying it'd be a tough situation to navigate like imagine you come home from work and your wife and his ex are chilling because

everyone was friends and it's like yo what's you doing tomorrow oh I'm going to his baby shower like it's weird yeah I'm not saying so it'd be a weird situation he probably couldn't come back in my house because obviously my girl wouldn't want to fucking see him in the house you know he and she can't bring the new bitch around neva Don't bring your new bitch around. Around who? Around me. You can't have your, if he goes and finds a new relationship.

My girl would never probably hang out. Yeah. Now, if he, if the game is on and he having something at the crib, he's like him all pull up. I'm not going to not go to my man crib. Oh, no, you definitely could go. But he can't come to, he can't be around my girl. Like, me and me and, you know, he can't hang out with me and my girl no more. And again, this went back to one of the voicemails.

But then, like, when life situations happen, let's say he's married to his wife, they have a kid. now I can't like can I invite my man to our baby shower because that's going to be awkward having both of them there I feel like that happens so often though in that scenario well not that exact scenario but like when like exes I've been in that situation for sure where you know there's mutual friends with exes and you guys end up with the same life events like birthday parties baby showers funerals funerals are always the awkward one because like like you're trying to mourn but then it's always in the like um fuck she's here too. I got to put that shit on and come to the funeral because I know my ex is going to be there.

I'm mourning two things here. I told you about the time my childhood friend didn't invite me to their wedding. Yeah. Because I, that's not crazy, y'all? It is. It is. How close were y'all, like, at the time? We were close.

We grew up together. We all grew up together. But me and her, I dated at one point, you know, a little bit. And then they got together. Just left out, like, one of the biggest. elements of that entire thing. At first I was like, this guy sounds like a real asshole. Now this guy sounds like someone that's trying to have a peaceful wedding.

But why would it not be peaceful, though? Like, I'm not going. Did you beat? Yeah. But this was before they got together, though. This was years before they got together. I can see it being awkward. How was that awkward?

Even if he shouldn't be awkward. If it was that awkward, you shouldn't have got-witter. If it was that awkward, you should have gotten to the point where you feel like, because it ain't awkward for me. Like, it's all we. Yeah. fan, we was kid, we was teenagers, bro. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, what the fuck we talk about? I mean, what if they're, what if both of them were fine with it? And maybe he actually had slept with one of her friends before, but they, they go with the past the past type shit. But then the rule is nobody at the wedding that you fucked. And you just, you folded into the mix. Yeah, me, but maybe. Maybe you were one of a couple on a list.

I'm sure that's a lot of people's, um, wedding rule. Nobody at the wedding that you fuck. Like, even if that's your friend, like I, but still, I, just not that at the wedding. I don't know. Did you ever talk to him about it? No. Okay. I found out. No.

I haven't spoken. I mean, it could have been a plate thing. I don't know because it costs extra. You're the only vegan. And now the chef has to make one plate for someone else. Fuck you. Motherfucker. Like, they got a deal from the place and there was no vegan options.

I wasn't vegan at the time for the second time, Rory. The time they got married, I was not vegan. Pescatarin, whatever the fuck me was. I wasn't Pestatarian either. No, I wasn't. I wasn't pescatarian. I was still eating chicken and shit. It was just some years ago.

Well, they didn't invite me to the wedding. I mean, weddings are expensive. Like, if you got to leave somebody off, it's like, I'm not going to take my aunt Mary off so that the niggas you fuck could be there. Like, no, like somebody, somebody, everybody can't come. Yeah, but. Open bar, limit 400 people. Everybody can't come.

I mean, I'm not mad, but it is, it is, it was kind of like, word? Like, okay. Have you ever had the opposite of why am I invited to this wedding? Absolutely. And then. It's happened to me twice. Yeah. And I felt weird.

Like, if I don't go, that's like rude. If someone invites you to their wedding, they're paying, like, that's rude. That's rude as fuck. Don't RSVP. And then I got there and doubled down to my feeling, why am I here? Yeah. Why would you invite me here? We are not close at all.

Well, some people don't have anybody to invite. There was like 500 people at that wedding. If you ain't got nobody to invite to your wedding, you shouldn't be having a wedding. You just go to the fucking Justice of Peace City Hall and do that shit and get in over with it. If y'all was beefing at that way and y'all should have been fighting at that wedding. Why would you bring that to somebody else club? That was a spot-on impression. Yo,

Baddy's Africa. Hold on. How the fuck do we forget to add this to the BET story? Shout out to my girl, BTB, man. Diamond the body. Shout out to Diamond, man. It was such a pleasure meeting her. She's super cool.

I feel like she would be, though. Watching the show, I felt like she would be really cool. Me and Pige were trying to see if the footage would work. We was mid-interview. Who were we talking to? We're talking La Russell And then you just in the middle Just started screaming

I think you might have stood up You may even went out of frame No we were done with the interview We had just wrapped the interview He was like you gotta come now Yeah she had walked over Shout to my girl Dom in the body man She was really cool talking to her man

She got a new song coming out And next time she's in New York She's talking like she said she wanted to stop by And come see us come kick it with us So I'm looking forward to that Okay so I started Baddy's Africa last night Yes, you did.

Which I texted you. Yes. It's the crazy. And because, you know, it's similar to like curb. You can start it at any episode. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I started at three because I did want to watch the episode of them fighting for the beds. Yeah.

It might be the most offensive show I have ever seen. It's crazy. D' Maris. In Africa, in the backyard, right, at the baddie's house. Yes. Yeah. They have a bunch of Africans standing there in the whole get-up with the face. paint, they might as well had a spear, just a whole crew of them as the circle.

I don't know if I liked that right just to watch them fight. They might as well had a spear. I don't know if I like that. I'm saying it was the stereotypical. I get what I get what I get what I. That was the white eye looking at it. And let me break it down to Demaris. Demaris, what it was was it was a bunch of kids from a program that are dancers and

singers. And they were welcoming the baddies to the baddie house. And they were standing in the backyard and they had on their costumes that they perform in. Rory is making it sound like these people were in the middle of the fucking jungle hunting for their food. No, they were at a very nice house. I'm saying they then took after their dance and made it the circle at recess to fight in. While all of these kids looked petrified but did not break character.

That was awkward that episode, yeah. They fighting in front of those kids like that. Like, yeah, that was crazy. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me. Clipper Taylor the 4th.

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Granny could have had chlamydia or grandparent. could have had chlamydia because you know old niggas do not go to the doctor. Grandpa could have had chlamydia for fucking 30 years and he was only fucking his wife so they both just had it and then she died and now he don't went to the nurse at home. The clap is like the common code. That's she just goes away without medicine. If you're thinking niggins don't be having fucking STDs for fuck 20 some years, these older people, these older people ain't going to the doctors to get their dick swabbed, bro, especially if they're

unsympomatic or asymptomatic, they're not going to do that. They just got that shit. HPV, syphilis. A lot of things died. syphilis before they know they even got syphilis. Yeah. Yeah, I guess at that age, you just happy your shit still work. Yeah, that don't get fucked.

Yeah, if my shit work at that age, clemity is the last thing in my mind. But, you know, it worked. Just because you older don't mean you stop missing companionship and love. Yeah. Companionship and love is different. Climity is another thing. I would, well, I didn't say my granny got clivity.

I'm just saying that. Older people would be fucking. Okay. Okay. So granny got back out there? She, yeah, she had a little boyfriend. Okay. She needs somebody around the house.

You need that companionship, that company. Yeah, she had a little. I ain't mad at that. Go ahead, Granny. What? You're going to call him Grandpa? Me? Yeah.

I don't know that, nigga. My grandfather, like, Granny, get all my love for respect. That nigga? Who is that, nigga? I don't know that, nigga. Tell us about the war. Yeah.

Yeah. So, now, Granny bringing somebody, like, to a holiday would be kind of crazy, though. Yeah, your grandmother walking with a new boyfriend on the holiday after your grandfather died. It's like, what are we going to do? We can't beat them. We can't jump them.

And that has to be intimidating on the other side, too, because, like, just dating somebody with a kid is a thing in itself. You got five kids, 10 grandchildren. Like, I'm just walking into that shit. And they always front. Older dudes always fun like they just take your grandmother to run errands. You know, I'll just take her to go get her groceries. And, you went there fucking my grandmother, sir.

Shut up. You stop making it seem like you just pick my grandmother up, like you accessoride or something. Niggie, you take my grandmother to get her groceries and then go back. and eat her groceries. It's not just bingo on Tuesdays. Yeah. She got new, she got new house dresses.

She's walking around in now all of a sudden. Smelling different. Yeah, them slippers. They ain't the same slippers you had on two, for the last three years, new slippers. She's getting the hair done now. Got them little pin curls in there all day.

Granny, what you doing? You in there, you're in there. She got Hulu at the crib now. How your grandmother got a streaming service now? Yeah. Who taught you this? Granny in there, humping.

I'm in Mr. Fred. It's always a Mr. Fred, too. He wants you to call him Mr. Nicky. I'm not calling you Mr. Fred, digger. In my 30s. I'm a grown fucking Mr. Fred. Get the fuck out of it. I think that was his name, too.

It's always a Mr. Fred. His name was Michael, but you called him Mr. Fred. Mr. Fred. I would want Granny to get fucked into her grave, though, for sure. I mean, that's what she want. I don't want to see it, though. I'm not suggesting to see it. Yeah, I don't want to see it.

I don't even want to know about it, but have fun, Granny. do what you do. But like once she passed, like you're not a part of this. No, you can more, you're not front row. You're not in the front pew.

He has to be. That's family. Don't do that. You're not entitled. If your grandmother has a boyfriend and your grandmother passes away, he's allowed to come to the funeral. No,

no, he can go to the funeral. I never said that. You're not in the first family pew. Why not? It's going to be pew, what the fuck you're talking about? In the first pew? Yes.

There's certain cousins that don't even make the first pew. That's fine. That's her boyfriend. That was her boyfriend. That was her man. He knew her intimately. Yeah, he was taking care of her the days you didn't want to go to grand these

house. Yeah. Mr. Fred was there. Making a breakfast. Mr. Fred was there. How long were they dating? 10 years.

Oh, all right. Never mind. That's way. That's way. That's way. Because I even think five years. I think five years he deserves you. No, five years.

You third. You third view. You're bugging out. No, you bugging out. Five years. That's five Christmases. Five years. She's 75.

She only got five life. She's dead. in the casket. She only had five. It's my five years. You're Pew three. And if my grandfather's still alive, he's P1. You're disrespectful.

Is he a polar? Five years in. He can't carry no goddamn casket. He's going to be next. Toy Shams. He, his funeral next week. Like what you're talking about? Can he be a pro-dad?

And he'll do that bullshit now that she died. I'm dying. No, no, no, no, no. You just owe. I had to go with her. I had to go with her. I had to go with her. I had to go with my mails.

Yeah. I had to go with my mails. part the back of the pallbear you don't really have to carry anything you can just be there for show. I've been to Paul Bear enough times I know what I know the weight distribution. Yeah, he walks behind a casket. He walks behind a casket. Five years? Yeah.

Fuck no. You are a hater. You all cock with the amount of cousins, uncles. I'm gonna keep a real true. I'm gonna keep a real true. Your grandmother then your grandmother died, die blessed so I guarantee you Shane fuck with 75% of your cousins.

And you know that. True. I guarantee you. you. She love her. My grandmother and my grandfather pulled me aside when I was like 20 when I was at St. Peter's. No, it was right before I got kicked out. So 19 and said, it's really just up to you. I swear to God. Both my grandparents are dead. And thank God they paused. Dad like, paused. Died together. I don't know where there was a pause there. And there was not a Mr. Fred anywhere around. But they really pulled me aside and said it's really up to you. Your grandparents

died together? No. Like a week or two? So, a month? My grandfather died during COVID. He fell down the steps and then COVID happened. He wasn't able to see anybody. So like his health deteriorated right away. And he passed and then my only Republican uncle was like, they're just folding them into the COVID numbers. I was like, Uncle Paul, now is like of all the times that you want to talk about your Republican bullshit, like can we just not do this right now? Yeah. So my grandmother had Alzheimer's and my grandfather refused to ever go to a home. That's why he fell down the steps. Prideful Irish guy.

Grandma had Alzheimer's was taking care of her. She went from uncle, aunt house to house, and it got too crazy, so she went to a home. And the doctor said the only reason she stayed alive was because of her Alzheimer's. Because every day she forgot that he died. And then we were talking to the doctor when she passed, and he was like, it takes a while with patients from Alzheimer's for their body to set in that the person was gone. I was like, oh, wow. That was like deeply fucking romantic, Doc. Wow. But yeah, Alzheimer's can keep, because they were together

since they were 19. My grandfather died when he was 93. My grandmother died when she was 91, 92. Crazy. And he was like, yeah, Alzheimer's makes them forget that shit, and it took her body more time to figure that shit out. And then I was like, yeah, my grandfather was wearing that out if it took her body some time.

We never needed, Mr. Fred. Knocked the memory out of it. No. All right. Okay. My bad. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, man. But with that said, if my grandmother dated somebody else, five years, no.

Even if she didn't fuck with my cousins that don't even come around and check on anybody, they're a pallbearer before Mr. Fred, for sure. Yeah. You don't get to be a ball bearer. You can walk behind the casket. They're right behind the casket. That was my girlfriend. That was my lady.

My missus. He loved her. Yeah. But we don't even know, like, did you claim her like that? Like, I don't even know what you else. They led to the nurse at home? How you claim, how you claim, how you claim? people when you owe like how you call like y'all go to church together no you do a cardi and step on there

you post each other on the i jean there's a lot of women that i show up to a theater on claim they was a girlfriend too and they wasn't you're not even puke three that had that happens that and they've been dating for 15 years yeah that happens oh you find out somebody got a kids you ain't even know you was in 15 years but you got kids you just with her for 15 years she ain't know you You got kids. I see some crazy shit at funerals, man. Funerals, it's going to come out. I'm dead and gone.

Fuck it. Y'all do what y'all want, man. I ain't here. I have anxiety from the grave. Please, Lord. Please. Don't let nobody sit next to each other. Don't let nobody talk.

You know, niggas be at the repast talking about good times. Time start overlapping. Time start up. Seven years. Seven years. Seven years. It's always seven. It's always seven.

Five or seven. Depending on what it is, it's five or seven. Five or seven, always. It's always seven. Seven years ago. Seven years ago. Which side of your family are you more worried about with funerals? As far as what?

Shit being exposed or how it's going to go? My mom's side. My dad's side of the family is certified crazy. Certified. Some shit going to happen at a funeral in my mom's side. My dad's side is going to be louder. and more obnoxious, maybe more physical,

but everything's going to be fine. My mother's side scares me more because it'll be like, you know you touch kids, right? Like, it'll be the very subtle, weird shit that they'll hold. I'm more terrified on my mother's side when it comes to funerals.

More insane shit is going to come out on her side. My dad's side is going to be loud, angry, drunk people. And everyone will be fine after. You're going to hear some dark shit. Like, yeah, nobody brought this up when he was alive?

I don't know why. I ain't here crying about Uncle Teddy. You know what he used to do. You know what he used to. That's my mom's side. Yeah, no. I can see that. Like, I thought we're here to honor him,

not bring out his deepest, dark, you know, he's been at every Thanksgiving. What the fuck? Right. So, either way. Stay away from Mr. Fred. Nah, shout out to Mr. Fred's around the world. Yeah, shout out to them.

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I'm going to keep this anonymous. Two-part question. one, what is the dumbest argument you've had in a relationship? And while I express my dumbest part of, you know, argument of relationship, let me know if I'm in the right or wrong. So my job got rid of the telework, so I go in five days a week now. And it just makes sense to join the gym at my job. And ever since I've joined, I go to the gym at least four times a week now. My wife hit me up the other day, and we're just like, you know, I think you need to either slow.

down or just stop so you can allow me sometimes just to catch up. But my problem is she hasn't been motivated to work out. Granted, I haven't stopped working out myself, but, you know, it was just like, you know, I don't know if there's any type of insecurities for why she will want be to stop or slow down, and yet she's not doing anything or so. I understand that women, and I would love Demeris's perspective on this as well, but I understand, you know, women can have some insecurities. I still find my wife attractive, beautiful, all that. But, you know, we definitely bump heads with it because I haven't stopped, but yet she hasn't started. And I just want to know who was in the right or wrong. And I have all, you know, we do go

walking together as a couple. That's good. You know, a couple times a week when I come home for work, but that's where it stops. So am I right, wrong? Let me know. Yeah, women are the fucking worst. Yeah, you're not, you're not wrong at all. I know they say Now, I am. Demira says women are always right, which is not true. But you're not wrong at all. You're doing what's best for you and what's best for your body. If she's feeling insecure because you getting finer and she doesn't like the way that she looked, then that's her problem. And she needs to work on that. You can, as long as you're being encouraging to her and loving her, like you said that you are, which you probably don't even care if she lose weight. That's that's her thing.

Then you're doing everything right that you can. You should not stop working out because she hasn't gotten her ass up to do it. Now, if you want to go be super super boyfriend, you can come up with some creative way to motivate her, but that's not your job and that's not on your plate. Nobody is going to make her lose weight for her. So she needs to get in the gym and do what the fuck she has to do. Or risk getting her nigga snatched by his one of them fine bitches at the gym. I don't know. I'm just saying. If you're making it worse by that. Sorry, but if you had worried about him and him looking fine, that's motivation. My motivation is, oh my God. My nigga look mad good somebody might snatch him from me now i'm getting my ass up hitting that treadmill

but that's just me she ain't she she don't want it badly enough and i feel like if rose were reversed she would bring that up in an argument that she'd be at the gym looking great and you just don't be doing shit women women suck i mean he i mean also you know maybe he just need to find a way to kind of start maybe instead of going to the gym start right there in the house or yeah the time that they do their walks maybe do something a bit more than walking do you do you do Bring the workout to the crib. Do something in the crib. That should it be on him.

No, I mean, but again, when you're married and this is your partner, you know, sometimes you recognize your partner's a little bit of a rut, maybe a little bit of depression. It's your job to kind of like, you know, ease them out of that, help them out of that, find their way again, find their, get their foot up, their footing underneath them again. Maybe she don't want to go to the gym. Maybe that's a stretch. So bring the gym to her.

Work out in the house, do some things around the house. Then that'll go into, you know, let's go for a wall. What are they doing, Waltman? Let's go for a run now. Maybe get the Apple watches and kind of like challenge each other weekly. That's good. You know, things like that kind of, you know, just to let her know, like, you're listening.

Like, you're my wife. I love you. You look great. I'm still attracted to you. But like, let's challenge ourselves to like, you know, transition and transform to, you know, get into the best shape that we probably ever been in our lives. Like, I think that's, you know, it's ways to do it. Maybe it's getting her to actually go to the gym is too much of a.

jump right now. So reel it in a little bit, start working out at home. Yeah, there's a bunch of apps and shit on YouTube. Like, you just pull that shit up on the TV and start there. Like, just got back from work. Let's take 15, 20 minutes at most and do this. Because the gym can be intimidating to some people. Like, they go. Yeah, for sure. And, you know, it's just like everybody else is in shape and people, you know, are lifting heavier weights and doing more reps and not breathing as heavy as you are and things like that. So, yeah, so, you know, start starting a house where nobody can see you. Nobody. Nobody. can see you struggling. Nobody can see how you look right now. Nobody. And then, you know, you

open it up to getting into the gym and changing it and then do maybe do some fun workouts with her. Maybe go to like, you know, a cool, you know, hot yoga class. Go to some, you know, cycling classes. You know, they try to make the workout experience fun. Go to some cool Pilates, whatever, something like that. Just make it something that, you know, you think your woman would be interested in as well. It's not just feel like she's going to the gym. to work out because she's out of shape. Make it feel like a fun activity, but it's also, you know, strenuous on the body.

If you have the extra funds, if you have it, I know most people just don't. But if you have the extra funds, get her a personal trainer as a gift. See, hold on, time out. What? A woman personal trainer? Ma'am, come on, bro.

It doesn't matter. It does matter. Why does it matter? Because these personal trainers are nasty. I'm not against you there. Yes. There are a lot of weird pervy personal trainers. Yeah.

Never's a woman? Oh. Nobody. But not every male personal trainer is a fucking pervert. I'm not saying every. I'm saying much. But there's definitely. I don't even want to say both.

There's the photographers and the personal trainers. Yes. There's a lot of perves in that business. Get a female trainer. Women know women. They know each other's bodies. They know what they're feeling. They know.

Yes, but women don't. From my experience, I've had both. The man was better for me. because he was stricter. He was just stricter. And probably because of my relationship with my father, I probably respected his dynamic a little bit more when he would tell me to do stuff.

Like, a girl ain't about to yell at me. I just can't, you ain't about to yell at me. Fuck you're talking to. But like, when men yell at me, it's like, all right, I hear you. I'll do whatever you're saying. That's dark. That's for Mr. Fred.

I don't feel like that's dark. I just wasn't. I was taught to respect male authority. Were you? I was. Not yours, nigga. but like I'm paying you

I'm actually putting money you're paying the trainer like what the fuck right it is what it is no I'm just I feel like women will

sometimes having a male and also with some women that I've seen I had a friend that had a personal trainer it can be you were looking at her body and wondering why her body isn't doing

why your body isn't doing what her body is doing and it can be a distraction you can feel you know you sit next to some fine ass woman But that's insecurity. Ain't no training going to help that. But she's insecure.

Yeah. So that's why you get a woman training. You can be like, girl, I want my body like, all right. So then put the fucking potato salad down. Damn, I love potato salad down. See, that's what I'm saying. But that's why your striations ain't shown. Put the potato salad down.

The muscles right here? Your striations is, you know, when it's cut, when it's definition. I'm saying, get your striations right. Okay. Do you just give her pecks when you went like that? Yeah, my mom can have a nice little. Get her a good personal trainer. if she's more comfortable with a woman, that's fine.

Get her a good personal trainer. If you have the extra funds for it, I think that that's a good, like, you know? Because sometimes when your partner is motivating you, like, it's tougher because you don't feel like you, like if I'm supposed to meet my partner at the gym, I don't feel bad about canceling on them. Because it's my partner.

We live together. It's like, I don't want to go. I don't want to go. If my partner is paying somebody to be at the gym and they're waiting for me to be there at 8 a.m., it's more motivation of like, fuck, I don't want to go. I don't want to go, but I have to go.

I find the, well, not the opposite per se, but if I'm working out with a partner, that keeps me more honest with everything. Like, I can cancel myself. I can just be like, I'm tired. But if my partner's like, we're going at this time,

I would feel obligated to do it. Well, yeah, no, for sure. But I'm just talking about in comparison to the personal trainer. Like a person, like, I can guilt my part. Like,

I can be like, baby, we're really sleepy, have sex with him and go to sleep and neither one of us will feel any guilt. If he's paying a personal trainer, it's like, I have to go. Like, I can make any excuses.

Yeah, no, and that's what he needs. You don't want to sleep with him You want to have sex tonight? We got to go to the gym. That's a former manipulation. It's a great manipulation. It will work on me. Yeah, but that's not how much.

I will come in this bitch looking like Tyra Banks. Exactly. You want me to knock this workout out? Come back in the house and knock headboard. You know what I'm. Okay, well, what happens when you have sex with him and he still goes to the gym? And I just saw a viral video of a girl with her whole ass cheese out at the gym. If I'm worried about you, she...

Not with tights on. Like, she had her ass out. It was damn near a thong And people trying to go viral on the internet Yeah Which I think And mind you she looked good But like what the fuck you're doing

Nobody wants to see that shit in the gym I mean people want to see it No I don't I don't I never used to miss I do No Same with the Lizzo combo at the Lakers game Keep your ass cheeks out of public

Well yes at the Lakers game yeah At the gym too I don't care what your cheeks look good Don't we at the gym Like put something on Yeah, but what if she's a physique model? Yeah, what if she's a physique model? She has to see, make sure everything is looking, she's about to go.

No, she was on live, like doing squats with her whole ass out. This is a, you're a planet fitness. The fuck are you doing. A win is a win. A win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me. Clifford Taylor the 4th.

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