New Rory & MAL - Best of Rory & Mal: Week of 7/14

Episode Date: July 20, 2025

This week on New Rory & Mal, "Let God Sort Em Out" lives up to the hype, Drake says the UK would wash the USA in a rap battle, and an intense debate over the rules of "Uno". Plus, 85 South joins the show to explain why they had a problem with Rick Ross walking off their show, and Rory and Mal react to Nicki Minaj crashing out on Twitter. #volumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Both of those gentlemen will push is what, 48, 49, 9? Malice is in his 50s. These are two older gentlemen where I feel like this album is not going to go away in three days. I think they had one of the better rollouts. It was a rollout that took a month and a half, which we haven't seen in quite some time.

And I know we're only at Monday the 14th and it came out Friday, but I don't think this album is going away next week. I think this will be a staple of the remainder of the year, as far as constantly talked about. It'll sound even better in the fall.

Yeah. I don't think this album's going anyway. I think that, well, first of all, congrats to the clips of putting out a... Incredible. Oh, I missed rap so fucking much. Congrats to the clips on that. Finally, we can use the word refreshing and actually mean it.

It's good to see them apply old school moves to the new generation. Like, their rollout is such a, you know, you can tell that they came up in a different time. Yeah. So it's good to see that. It's good to see people react to the album the way they did into the music. That promotion has to do with actually

touching the people. Yeah. And going on a promo run for real. Remember that word promo run? Like you actually have to use to go to different cities and do different publications and actually be there. Yeah. Work.

You had to work. Yeah. They did that. And it's good to see, you know, people always give me shit when I say, you know, an artist needs to lock in with one producer. Like, but this is the, this is what happens when you lock in with one producer

for your fucking entire career. You're able to always go back to that fade away. move that nobody can't stop. Yeah. And this is what the clips and Farrell have done. You know, somebody like me, a little older than everybody else in the room, but I came up in the time where, you know, the clips was, you know, I was, I spent some time going down 95 South to King's Dominion for Black College Week.

And so, you know, clips to me is a different, it's a certain space that they hold in my, in my, you know, my taste for rap and hip hop. But this album, I liked it. I like that. I don't, I don't, the only thing I didn't like was, uh, you know, I don't, I don't, the only thing I didn't like was, I didn't like them opening the album with such an emotional record. Why? I didn't go right into chains and whips.

Like, Nick, I'm still crying. I can't hear chains and whips. Like, you can't, don't, don't give me chains and whips after saying you found your mom dead and your father dead. Like, don't give me that. I'm still in there trying to pull my shit together. You know what I'm saying? I text to Maris that maybe like 1.30 a.m. on Thursday going into Friday.

And I said, did birds don't sing make you cry yet? Like, because I couldn't get past the record. But even though we had talked about it prior, like that song they did when they walked on one of the LV shows. So I've been listening to it. But when you hear it like in full CDQ version, like, it was tough. It was tough to get past that in a great way. Yeah, like I can't, you can't take me from that to Chains and Whips. Like I just, I just think the sequence in was just a little like, you know, that much of an emotional record should be for later on and now.

See, that's why I kind of like the move because, yes, it feels like an outro or it feels like maybe a break in the middle. for a switch up. Yeah, somewhere in the middle or towards the end. I don't know, like, not to get, like, too corning, but it was nice to remember that they were brothers. Like, starting this record. Who forgot? Who forgot pushing out of some brothers?

Of course, yes. We know they are brothers, but we know them to be brothers, and they, like, so coped together. I'm not saying they haven't, like, did deep dives into their personal lives in clips albums or push-a-t-tie solo shit. But this was, like, a reminder going into this project that how many times have we ever seen two actual blood brothers from the same parents be a legendary duo in hip hop? Like, that was a crazy thing that I don't think we've seen. And starting the record out with push talking about moms, malice talking about pops. Like, how, we've never even seen that.

I've never seen that music. Can you name any, any genre in music? Roy, what you're saying is absolutely correct. It was beautiful to start like, these guys are brothers like these are. Don't start me like that. Don't start me. like that is all I'm saying like don't do that I appreciated it to um because I was re-listened to it again today I appreciate the make me cry make me emotional and then we write on to the bullshit and we on bullshit for the rest of the album like you know what I'm saying like I like that like oh y'all are crazy y'all psychopaths yeah y'all want to cry and then get into bullshit yeah yeah I want to get into bullshit and cry after the bullshit is over

it's way too good my tears right when the bullshit come in it's way too good of a record to be at the end of the album yeah it's an amazing record and needy. No, it is. I just don't, I just feel like opening the album with that. I was just like, damn, man, like, because it goes right into a whole different type of energy with chains and whips. So I'm just like, damn, like, I, emotionally, I'm just everywhere right now. But, you know, that's just me nitpicking that, you know, just preference. But, um, I think it was a very interesting and cool way to start an album where no other duo or rapper, whatever could do, could do that. I got, I got to express my, my disdain.

Stove God deserves a fucking verse, man. I'm sorry, bro. You can't give Stove God a hook on a record like that. Like, you got to let him talk his shit. Like, I don't know if, I just, I mean, that song, the music, the hook, the, the lyric, everything is perfect. And it just feels like it was room for Stove to get off. Like, it ended so, like, the song is like not even, probably not even three minutes, is it? Yeah, it's 322.

I hear you, it didn't feel like the song was already too crowded. I feel like, yes, there could have been a stove verse and it would have felt fine. It would have felt fine. And that's so that's my, that was it. It was just like, we need a stove god verse on that, right. Y'all can't be talking greasy like that. Stove coming in with the melody. The only other person that could have done that hook that way is for real.

Yeah. Like, he's the only other one I feel like vocally, you know, that would have sounded like good on that record. But to have Stove on it, I love that, just giving Stove that look. But you got to let him get his balls off. The way we obviously, you know, have said Stove is by far one of our favorite new rappers, especially in this subgenre of hip hop. He has become like the hook guy in a weird way. Like, because Westside has done that with Stove for the past two albums.

Like, there's times I felt Stove should have got a verse and he'll just do the hook on Westside. He is great. He is like a Coke Nate dog in a weird way for the genre. Like, I know it sounds nuts, but if you go through West's catalog, Stove has the best harmonies on every fucking West Side shit. You know what else he has on West Side? Some Versus. Versus.

I'm not disagreeing with you. Yeah, that's all I'm saying. Just let Stove cook. Let him get his shit off. That's just the perfect record. I know Stove has something for that. I know he wrote to that. Like, I know he got bought to that somewhere.

So, yeah, that was it. But other than that, the rollout was impeccable, the tiny desk, you know, all the interviews. You know, just seeing the clips, you know, stayed true to a formula that they've obviously, when they came up in the industry, it was a different time, you know, as far as you did, people doing their rollouts. It was a little different. But to see them still doing that, be very intentional, you know, to still kind of attach high-level art to hip-hop, which is high-level art as far as I'm concerned. Yeah. To see them kind of, you know, keep that essence and, you know, keep those things around their album. It was dope to see that, man.

So, you know, I like the album. I haven't listened to any other album this weekend. I didn't get into Justin Bieber's album yet. I'll get to that in one second. I do want to run through some of the records that are here. Chains and Whips, obviously, we had heard the Kendrick leak before that. I still think it's an incredible verse sounded way different coming on the album. Again, I think that's a perfect way to go after crying.

Like, let's just get right to the shits. POV, I think Malice may have verse of the year on POV. As of right now, I don't know if there's a better rap verse. I know you think it's Eminem on Animal, but I think Malice has the best verse of the year so far on POV, explaining why he left and why he's better than everyone else. So be it, I was a little sad to see that it was a different version, but I know they couldn't clear the sample.

So they had to go that route. The run from 7 to 10, MT, B, T, that's the only thing I can't. Like, too many. Mike Tyson blow to the face. I know what it, but like, just. call it that please because i have to say you know how you know how stupid i am damarison i like i have to type out right mike tisd all right you could have just they could have just called the mike tyson but that run from m tyson blow to the face thank you down to inglorious bastards

like that for i don't know if anyone's competing with that this year that's an insane run and i was telling rock nation on friday what's the uh e b i t d a which one does that stand for demeris since you want our spelling bee? I don't... I actually don't know for that one. I can't remember. I hope they make that the next single. Can you guys just let the drug dealers have some fun sometimes?

Like, I know so far ahead was a big favorite for a next single, but let the drug dealers have fun, man. That's a summer record. I feel like Malice smiled when he was recording that. I feel like they had a growl on their face recording every verse, but that shit. You know I'm terrible with titles. Like, your name any titles,

and I don't know what the, what song that is. Okay. Yeah. Like a fun record. I feel like Coke dealers, especially if they're free, should be able to smile sometimes and have fun. Like, that can be a single. Yeah.

Doesn't always have to be, you know, so be it, so be it. Let's all smile. You guys are buying Virginia Beach. Yeah. It's gorgeous. It's a good album. It's a good album. I like it a lot, man.

I'm very pleased with what they did. Ferrell is still sharp. And it's just good to see these guys still working, still in shape. I know in hip hop, we'd like to say, you know, it's a young guy sport or young, young lady sport. These older gentlemen are out rapping, making better songs, making better albums than 90% of you in this fucking industry. So I'm happy for that, man. I'm just happy to see guys from a different era, still putting out dope shit, still looking good, still sounds. and good, still being intentional.

Because when the landscape changes and the business around, you know, the music and the genre that you love changes, it's easy to fall into like a different, you know, space mentally and just emotionally when it comes to create music. Especially the clips. They've been through. They've been through a lot. Star Trek. Exactly.

Dev Jam. So to still see them be so intentional and, you know, and have this body of work that they put together. And the one thing I really like that they did that I don't think nobody's talking about is this such a short project. Yeah, straight to the point. That's what I love the most. 13 tracks, 40 minutes. That's a don't give me 27, 28.

Like, because then it's like, it's just you asking too much of me. Like, I got to really be attached to 28 tracks, 30 tracks. That's a lot. When you go 13, get right to it. Here's the music. Here's the bars. Here's the. It's like, okay, me personally, I received that. differently than if you, I look at it.

I, for example, my anxiety starts going crazy when I see 30 tracks. I'm like, all right, fan. Like, I can't, like, 30. I'm going to need the weekend. Yeah, like, it's just like keep it. I like this. Everything about this feels like a different time, like, when albums were 13 tracks, 12 tracks, right to it.

You know what I'm saying? Like, I just, I like everything the clips did with this, with this project. Since you brought up, you know, the industry shit they've been through, do we think it's a blessing that they got off Def Jam? I mean, speculation here. Of course, the clips were obviously heavily involved in how this was rolled out, and I'm sure a lot of the ideas came from them. Do we think it would have been executed the same way with Dev Jam?

No. I think so. I think they control what they do as far as rollout and things like that. I don't think that Dev Jam would have gotten away and said, hey, we're not doing that or we don't want y'all guys do it. I don't think they would do this stuff. Well, I mean, even putting some money behind what that rollout looks like, do we think Dev Jam would even believe in that style

of rollouts at this. That I don't know. I would assume so. It is Def Jam. I don't know who's there anymore. Who's like running the label now? So much has changed that Dev Jam over the years. Or would have the staff that would be able to facilitate a lot of that. Now that's a whole

again, I don't know. Or maybe. Maybe they just, you know, let the clip to do them. But I understand why you ask that because that's a real question. You know, sometimes the label doesn't understand it or they say, oh, we don't need, y'all need to do all of that. We're not doing all that. Is that worth all the money? I just think the clips is a different. act. It's a different thing. I think that the clips is obviously a legacy act at this point.

They've been around so long. So I don't, I don't see Def Jam getting in the way of that. But listen, man, the fact that they left Def Jam on their terms and wanted to get away from that. And I mean, they definitely didn't miss any steps. They didn't drop the ball at all. No. So, I mean, I'm guessing the clips are very pleased with how things landed, how people received it. I've seen people saying nothing with good things online about it people personally I know

have been saying great things about the album and I like it I listen to it a few times and you know the music again is Farrell once you say Farrell is in charge of the music and he's executive producing something the music is always going to be a certain level and the clips

and Farrell to me they didn't miss on this project at all What would you rate it? Out of five? Out of five I've eight out of five Okay, out of ten. Out of ten. Five is always so... So far, Matt.

Listen, Stove don't have a verse. I got to take one off, a point of for that. Can I give you my one critique since you're saying your critique? I feel like the Nause verse felt a little forced. I was great to say. The Nause verse... And who the fuck am I to say that?

If Nause wants to be on your album, let's force it. Let's do it. But that's literally my only... Of course I would like a Stowe verse, but I love this hook, so it is what it is. That was the only time... track 12 i was like okay yeah i didn't i didn't i didn't because i was really anticipating naz with the clips yeah and you see that you like okay it was just like but see it was the same thing for me not bad no it's not bad it's a nods but see it was the same thing for me when you tell me stove god

yeah yeah has a joint with the clips i'm like oh these niggas you're looking for another exodus somebody's getting indicted you know that's the feeling i had when his track was first dropped i'm like oh my god but for him to only have the hook it's like okay great hook it's like okay great hook, he sounds good, he's talking crazy. You know, he had the bag of one eye clothes and all that. Shouts to Fetty Wop. You know what I get it. But you got to let him get off.

So, at the point of that, I don't like opening the album. I love the song, but I don't like open an album. I love that emotion. It's just like, dog, like, you got to let me. I'd be tight if it was the outro. Not. It doesn't necessarily have to be the outro. I'm not saying it had to be the last song on the album, but it shouldn't have been the first

one on the album. Like, don't give me, like, come on, man, that's just too much to unpack. No. You guys had your Super Bowl this weekend as well. Take it away, man. Wireless. Oh, shout out. Shout out, Wildest. Wildest Fest was this weekend in London. Shout out to Drake, three nights, three different set lists, three different vibes.

I think the only other person, the headline Wireless, three different nights was Prince. That's crazy. So I think there was some, that was a little wink, a little wink, wink. Ah, okay. At the whole little, you know. I mean, but it was dope to see all. videos, people was there. I was mad. I missed it. You know, Lauren Hill, Givion, Bryce and Tiller, Bobby Vee, Mario, Dave, Central C, J. Huss, Skeptor, Vibs Cartel,

Lotto, sexy red. I mean, I don't know many, Vanessa Carlton. I mean, I was waiting for you to get to like the number one. Vanessa Carlton, like, I don't, listen, there's not many artists that could bring, you know, have, say, first of all, it's not many artists that can get Lauren Hill anywhere, but they didn't get Lauren Hill somewhere on time. Six hours ahead of her usual time? Six hours ahead of her usual time. Was she already in London?

I assume so. I assume she was over there. Were a lot of these artists already there? Well, yeah, they knew they was going to touch the stage for wireless. No, I just wasn't sure, like, how much Drake planned ahead with, you know, pop can vibes, all these people. If he was behind bringing everyone. this specific list outside of obviously like Dave and Central Sea and certain people that live out there.

Yeah. Did he fly all these people there? Like, oh, he probably did. I mean, I love that. I think that's amazing for three days that you want to put these specific artists up there. But that takes a lot of planning.

Yeah, whoever was the stage manager for the last three days, like, can we get his name? And I hope Drake buys him a Rolex instead of some streamer he's never met. To get all these acts on stage on time three days straight is one of the craziest stage handlers of all time. Yeah. That's got to be insane. Yeah, the line-up was crazy. It was good to see, you know, Mario and Bobby V and guys. Vanessa Carlton, I'm still, that's like, that's almost like this can't be happening for real. Like, who sees Vanessa Carlton those days? Like, when do you see that?

So it was dope to see all those people go out. Shout out to Drake for doing something. I think, you know, not many other artists can do, like, as far as three different nights, three different vibes, three different set lists. That's incredible to have that much music in your catalog and be able to remember. remember that much, that many bars and something. Yeah. That's a lot. Like, you know, you know because you've obviously been a part of shows and things like that. But for the artists to do that, that takes a lot.

It's a lot of moving pieces behind the scenes. A lot of things that have to go right. From what I know, everything went perfect. Was no mishaps, anything like that. So shout out to the UK. Shout out to London. And shout out to Drake for an incredible wireless weekend. I really like the Central Scene and Drake snippet that they played.

I think it was like day two. He played it, or maybe it was day three. Put your hands on the DJ booth. That shit was hard. Of course, I saw some people killing it online, but that's just what happens these days. If you just don't look at the comments and listen to a snippet and just judge for your fucking self,

I think you'll enjoy music a little bit more. I think you'll enjoy life a little more. You told my music, just light. That record is hard. I like the first part, and then when the beat actually switches and drops for real, it's a joint. Yeah.

I hope we get that song sooner than later. If he played it, it's definitely dropping soon. That record was hard as fuck. Yeah. The only thing I did hate on the internet during this entire thing was not Drake's opinion because he's entitled to that

as far as London rappers versus US rappers. It was more at UK rap daily with their headline. Drake ends the UK versus US debate. Nah, he didn't end it. It ended before it started. And Drake saying London rappers are the best lyricists in the world,

cool and I'm never taken away from the ability of London rappers and lyricism and that Drake is in London those is guys this and that but like we got to stop with some of these fantasy debates just for the fuck of it we're still cleaning up London just because Drake just because a Canadian rapper was like nah nah it's them nah I mean listen man you don't say let's know man I'm saying skeptic shot he shot we wait for joiner join the poster this video was like I bet he gave us to Cam Newton, I bet. And we know what Cam Newton did after he said, I bet. So I mean, I mean, we got to... Which is one of the craziest sports clips of all times. Oh, my God. That's like, that's like legendary when Cam Newton was like, he looked at the scoreboard and was like,

I bet. Like, I got this. And then went out and won the game. Like, so I mean, we still waiting on Joyner. But I like, I like this type of shit, man. I like the fact that Skeptor jumped out there. You know, he threw some bars at Joyner. Keep it wrapped. You see who I'm standing with. Harvard? Skeptus said you rap like... You went to Harvard. I'm wearing my Harvard alumni shirt. You didn't go to Harvard, though. I know. But neither to join her.

But we're standing with him. Listen, man, I bleed red, white, and blue. Yeah. Jonah, I'm yours. I wore this today for you. Why you rap like he studied at Harvard. That's not going to get it done, Skepter. And I love Skepter, that's not getting it done with with Joyner Lucas. No, we do know.

Because he is going to adopt an entire British accent and rap from your perspective, and you are going to be cooked. You thought family matters was bad. Somebody said, Joina's going to rap from the perspective of a crumpet. I was like, all right, man. Like, I was like, I don't. You know, he got a rap, like, how Drake did, like, with the Kendrick beef.

Like, you got to rap as the queen and AI. The queen, act. Rap is the queen of London? That's crazy. If Joyner do that, I might be done with rap. I'm going to be honest with you. If he rap as the queen of London, I might be like, I. What if he raps from Prince Harry's perspective and Megamark?

I'm done. I'm done. It's just too much. It's like I'm just doing any. thing and rapping it. What if he gets then gets Flo Millie to do like Megan Markle's part? We know one thing. Joining can wrap his ass or so. And he's

going to take this very seriously. Oh no. He's, this is, because this is waiting for this type of shit. Listen, this has the potential. The reason why I love this, the reason why I love this whole thing is because this has the potential to, you know, be one of the biggest crossovers that we probably been trying to figure out with you know, the UK rap scene

guys from that, you know, across the pond, as they say, crossing over to American. Central C obviously had some success. Hell yeah, yeah. Over here. Dave, Dave, you know what I'm saying? There's been some guys that have crossover, but there's a lot of... Gays and skept were probably the first.

Yeah, but there's a lot of guys, this, you know, Chip, Jay Huss. Yeah. There's guys over there gets, you know what I'm saying? There's guys over there that could really get into that bag and really rap. But I think that, you know, us Americans sometimes the accent kind of devise. us and we don't really want to, you know, listen to it. But there's guys over there that can really, really rap and push their pens. So I'm excited just for this moment and this energy to kind of, you know what I mean,

serve as a bridge, if you will, of guys crossing over to the U.S. And, you know, just being aware of other guys around the world that are actually a part of hip hop that actually rap. Yeah. I mean, even when we saw with the Joey Badass versus everybody, that whole week, everyone was focused on bars for a change. I think that would be great for a bunch of Americans to actually have to sit and focus on UK bars.

Yeah. Because again, the accent can deter certain people. It just kind of is what it is. So I hope this does turn into like an actual great back and forth between the UK. Yeah, I want to clean them up. But still, I'm excited. Listen, I mean, you know, I just want to hear good music, man.

I want to hear rappers rap. Like I said earlier this year, I'd rather rap is rap than to be on IG live dissing each other, man. So if you told my rappers getting back in the booth and, you know, sending shots at each other all for the sport, Like nothing, you know, spilling over into no real beef and in the streets because that's corny shit. If guys want to keep it rat, this fucking rat. Yeah. Did you ever see Central C's leakers freestyle a couple years ago when he did like his version

of UK big elibonics? That I thought was a great idea because it made Americans looking at an American platform like try to understand and get past the accent of what are saying. So I hope it does that times 10 with this. And skepta is no slouch. I am joking around, but I just don't think Joyner is the one to play with. No, no, no. Let's be very clear.

Joyner Lucas can rap his ass off. You know, so we never questioned it joaner's ability to rap. But it's, you know, it's going to be interesting just to see this whole exchange this back and forth. And just to see, to hear the bars and the music that, you know, these guys create. That's all I'm looking forward to. A win is a win. A win. I don't care what you're saying.

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and John Green on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, so, Rory, before you go to Vegas with me trying to play play uno, I need to know. Can you put a draw four on top of a draw two and make it draw six?

Yeah. Okay. A draw four on top of a draw. A draw four is the trump card of everything. You can't put no draw four on the Vegas because I'm going to get to that table and you guys won't play by the right rules and I'm going to throw a fucking fit in their security. Ma'am, why do you think that? Because there's a whole different card. It's a draw card, but you can put a draw two on top of a draw two. No, we all know that. Facts. So how could you put a draw four on top of a draw two? Because it's a wild. Yeah, that card is the Trump card of everything. It's a wild. It trumps everything.

And once I put that down, you can't go and try to put a draw two on top of that draw for. No, you can't do that. Anyone that would do that. But you can put the draw four on top of the draw two. Draw four. Now you see what that makes. Now you see why that makes no sense. It's a wild.

It's a wild car. And it's a higher number. Yes. And this is why they made the rule. Wait, all right. So you follow the rules that Uno lay down for you. I mean, not all of them, but that rule, definitely. You can't put no draw four on top.

No. So you just follow the Constitution. Whatever they say goes. Can I take all the tools out my hand and put them down at one time? Can you do what? Absolutely, Ken. If I have- You just have to do it at one time. If I have five twos in my hand. Draw two? No, regular twos. Any number. That's a, that's a suit. Okay. What's sitting right there? Yeah. You said what? What is sitting on the pile at that point? Okay. There's a green four down, right? You could put a green two followed by a yellow two. I have a my tools on top. Hell yeah.

Absolutely. Stacks. Yeah. Hell yeah. I'm with that. Okay. That I agree with. A draw four type of a draw two is absolutely crazy.

Y'all believe in when they said swap hands? No. That's that's that new shit that I like. I don't play that. Yeah, we take that out the deck. All right, let's really separate it. If I put down two reverses, is it still my turn? Yep.

All right, cool. Just trying to make sure we're all saying here. No. If I put a double reverse down, it's my turn again. If there's only, if there's two of us playing, yes. If there's more than two. two of us playing. Playing Uno with two people is nuts. People do that all the time. If you put two reverses down, I'm so lonely. I have nobody. That's how I know y'all. Y'all don't sit up there and play

one with your partners. No, I'm busy getting pussy. I'm busy fucking. We ain't playing Oona. Okay, we're playing in this circle now. You, Pige, Josh, me, more. If I put down a double reverse in this circle, it's my turn again. No, stupid. No, because if you put down, if you put down one reverse. If it's going clockwise, it goes to mall. If you put down one reverse, that means it switches to Josh's turn. No. What do you mean? No. A reversed. All right, if we're going this way,

I put down a reverse, it should go to Josh, right? If we're going this way. But I put down two reverses. It comes back then. From Josh, it goes right back to me. That's how a circle works. Yeah. No, bro. Agreed. It don't work like that. It just means that it's not mall. Yo, trying to reinvent the wheel is crazy. If you're in a circle and I do a double reverse.

I agree with certain rules that draw four on top of a draw two, no. Double reverse. is my turn again. No. If I put down three reverses, then it's back to mall. Because technically it was never Josh's turn. Because if it was really Josh's turn, then Josh would be going. But since you took Josh's turn away from him by putting two cards down, it's not Josh's turn.

You just change the direction. It's mall's turn. You just change the direction of the game. No, it's my turn to go again. Okay. That's how I play. Well, that's why I don't play with certain niggas. Yeah.

Okay. If you guys don't have anything. Well, sit there and play it one hand for seven hours, then baby, Dee. That's fine. That's what you're going to be doing seven hours, one hand. And Josh is pulling up the Uno rules. Josh, I hate to inform you, Uno doesn't know their own rules.

So despite what they say, I don't, that's why I'm scared about Vegas. Are you guys a pluck to you have to play type of person or just the one part? No, I'm not plucking until we can play. If you, if your term miss, you got to, enjoy the projects. You got to pluck until you got some.

If your turn miss, what are you talking about? You can't go. Wait, wait, say that again? So basically what he's saying is if I don't have any, if there's, if it's a green four down and I don't have any wiles, any greens, or any fours. He's saying I need to pick from the pile

until I have a green, a four, or a wild. I've seen people play like that, but I don't, I don't really play like that. You pick one car? You pick one. If you ain't got it, it's the next person. If we're playing with five people, that means I'm about to be shuffling this fucking little ass dick. 15, I'm not doing that, bro.

You can't go, you can't go. Yeah, no, I'm not going to. You pick one. If you ain't got nothing, it's the next person go. Plug till you play. And I'm never playing with you. Yeah. You don't go worry about it.

All right, what happens when Vegas makes that the rule? Vegas is going to adhere to the rules that Uno. But Uno doesn't even know their own rules. I think Uno thinks you can't even put like any green card on a red, like if the number matches, you can't even do that. No, you can. You can. Oh, all right. A popular house rule is to draw until a player has a card to draw.

But this is not the official rule. Read the full. sentence. Nothing about Uno is the official rules. They don't know their own rules. How many times I have to say that? All right. Anyway. But this is not the official rule. Yeah. Got to play by the rules, man. I hate the way Rory play. Okay. Are you guys on the side of teaming up with other people in the circle when someone has Uno? Yes. To ask, all right, let's make sure we get them. And then in the same time, then, Wait, what? Scheme against them

You betray them once they get Uno What type of shit is that? First of all, it's one, Uno. Meaning you're supposed to be the one, nigga. How are you teaming up with somebody? I know, but yeah, like it's Uno, like one. Yeah, but. So how are you like, yo, nah, he got one call left.

Yo, let's kill this nigga right now. What type of shit is that? Let's say, let's say I just played then you said Uno before we could say anything and I look at Demaris and be like, yo, you good, you got him? What is that? That's nasty.

You can't do that. at. Yes, you can. Where have y'all done that? So I don't go all the way. Like, Rory asking, yo, what do you got? I'm just a look. No, just a look. But it's like, all right, if I know I got this wild, I might not want to use this wild on him, but. But we got to keep the game going. But we got to

keep the game going. But that goes without saying. But that's why I like, you could pluck to you play, because if somebody next to me has Uno and I could potentially get them out to paint, I may just pluck until I get something to make sure they don't win. And that's, but you can't do that because that is cheating. It's It's not. You're supposed to pluck until, first of all, that fucking rule is stupid.

But you're supposed to- You don't even know what I have, so how do you know I'm cheating? It doesn't, just be- Hmm. That explains a lot. Mm-hmm. You could use some covers up in the bottom. I didn't just get personal.

Like, I'm the first person to pluck until I make sure somebody didn't win. Nah, no, but you can't do that. Oh, my God. You can't do that. That's cheating. That's- cheating. I play with people that hide cars in their pocket.

Like, what are we talking about? Okay. Cheating. That's cheating. I know what I'm saying. And the honor way of that is you don't know my hand. So if I say I don't got it, no one's the wiser. People are the wiser.

How? If you, you count cars in one of them? If we're waiting for you to get a green card or a four or anything like that. And then after you put down that wild card draw four, your next hand, suddenly you got four fucking fours in your hand. We're going to know, oh, you were fucking running. How do you know that?

If I have now 20 cars in my hand, you don't know what I plucked. Welcome to strategy. If you didn't have it. Just because you didn't win and I had strategy. That's my fault now. strategy. Welcome to strategy. Yo, that was the white.

Yo, that's the white shit I ever heard you say. You hear the colonization even in the Uno? Welcome to the strategy. Black people told me that rule. Welcome to state. You wanted to say niggas taught you that rule. So bad. I know.

He wanted to say niggas told me that rule. No, the movie 21 with Patrick Swayze. It was the one that did it. Oh, man. Never play Uno with y'all. No. The easiest thing I've ever done is be myself. Yeah.

And I don't care what's happening. Bro, I don't, that's which is why I never joined a game. I never got into drugs. I grew up in one of the most treacherous parts of the Bronx, bro. Grew up in Harlem. Treacherous. Back in your day, you had to been a Decepticon. Yeah.

I ain't got a lot of the fucking. You were down to drugs. I was born in 19, 1980s. Yeah. A bit a deceptic car. But, yeah, like, you know, when you in those neighborhoods, when we all come from, right. It's easy to fall in the bull.

shit if you don't know who you are. For sure, for sure. I think that we all have the, if you're mentally healthy enough, you know when you're doing something and it's wrong. Your nervous system would be like, yo, that ain't for you. I'm going to ask you this question, though,

because I asked a lot of people coming up from that environment. I always had those type of dialogues as I come up and, you know, growing up in D.C. in the streets and all that and was active. But I also understand that a lot of what I didn't have to go through was because of who my people were. Were you the beneficiary of that as well? Of nepotism?

No, I stayed away from. And the streets not, not, you know what I mean, as far as like the actual definition of it. But, you know, your brother being who he is and your people being who they are, that benefits you at all and being able to stay away from a lot of the things you were able to stay away from. It benefited me in the sense that my brothers, you know, when they was in the streets, I was still very young. But they never glorified that to an extent. Like, they didn't, like, my brother might have punched me in my face if he knew some of the shit I was doing away from them. that's like they never wanted me to even think about going that right. Cause with dangers, niggins,

yeah, it was the dangers of it, you know what I'm saying? And then when they started Rockefeller, Rory knows it to this day. He's like, yo, you're crazy. I never worked at Rockefeller. I never was in a video. Like, I stayed, excuse me, I stayed as far away from that shit as I possibly could because I felt like I wanted to carve my own lane. Yeah, but still people saw you and knew.

Yeah, but they respected it more because they knew that I wasn't trying to get in, like you said, on somebody else's name. my brother's name. I wanted to go somewhere as mall. Like, I'm going in as me. If you fuck with me, you fuck with me. Not because, you know, my brothers are who they are. Not because, you know, if Jay Z see me right now, he going to hop out the call.

Like, come on, nigga, we're out. Like, I stayed away from that. I tried to keep that as far left as possible because I just felt like niggas might just start asking me for shit. You're my man. I didn't want to deal with none of that shit, bro. I got my homies. We do what we do. Some shit I did I wasn't supposed to do.

But again, I'm young. I'm trying to find my way. My brother's found a way. And I'm like, cool, that's dope. But it was hard for me to be in the studio with Jay-Z all day and then get on the train and go back uptown of the hood and be like, all right, well, I was in Bentley's last night with Jay-Z. I'm on the fucking D-Train tonight.

Right. That wasn't my reality. Now, I can go be a part of that if I want to be. Oh, I can create my own reality. So I chose to create my own reality. I got you. I mean, that makes sense. That's commendable as a man, though.

But still, you got to give credence to the fact that when you were able to look at those people in the environment that you come from and be like, man, I ain't with none of that. Y'all got going on. They knew that, you know, if we do something to him, it's some other dudes. Oh, no, for sure. No, that was part of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That definitely protected me and kept, you know, they knew I had brothers behind me and people

that was going to pull up, if anything, happened to me. But I also wasn't a knucklehead just outside. Yeah, no, that's the good part. Like, I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't, I guess, sometimes. Sometimes you probably don't know. I wasn't one of the people that was out like, you know, utilizing that to my dad. It's like, yeah, because I know if you do something to me. But that's like if the one thing I don't like is when niggas get on and make their homeboy head of security.

Now, if something happened to something pop-bo, if you want your man to be the nigga that might get shot or get killed, I never understand. I'm talking about if your man is trained and he has, you know, a background and, you know, security. That's what he does. Then cool. But don't just take your man off the block. I'm like, yo, you're security now. Yeah. Why?

Because if it pop off, you want your man to jump in front of this bullet? It ain't that. It's just shit. I'd rather have you with me versus another nigga on. That's the nigga I know going to go. It ain't in that.

It's just like, I'm not going to be in nothing. I'd rather you be my, my security. You're my security. You're my eyes and my eyes and ears. I don't want to go hire nobody. And then you're still on the block. Yeah, but I never, I was never like,

because I've watched people walk their man into some bullshit. Because that mean they ain't bullshit. Exactly. And I was never that. I was never a knucklehead. Like whenever the nigs, they were going to do something like, nah,

I'm telling me. I'm in the credit, bro. For sure, for sure. Always. I've always had discernment, the type of people I was around, only because I knew the dangers.

I've seen it. Like I said, one of my closest friends, he's down for a murder right now. But we had lost, you know, in the early 2000, mid-2000s,

we kind of split ways. Right. He fell into some whole other lifestyle. And I'm over here. But then when I heard about him, I'm like, wait, he doing what?

We used to play Super Nintendo. He was cool. coolest nigga on the block. Now he's down for a body, drugs. I'm like, you can't, it's easy to make that left.

Right, right. When life hits you, you're like, damn, I got these bills, baby moms tripping. Fucking,

I'm gonna go get the shysteen go run down on these niggas. It's easy to do that. Right. It's easy. It's easy. And get up every morning at 7.30

and get on the train to go to work. For sure, for sure. And for the record, you know, you know how folk be like, you know, we could troll the narrow.

Man, we rock with everybody. You rock with everybody. Kendrick, everybody. Everybody who involved, we rocked with everybody. I forgot what I was going to talk about that. But you know how my brother still be dwelling on shit like,

man, hell no. Man, hey man, we rock with everybody. That's one thing I proud myself. I don't got beef with nobody. For sure, for sure.

If a nigga got an issue with me, I don't even know. That's good. That's a good. Like, if a nigga don't like me, I'm like, I'm like, when I was coming up,

I always thought that was weird to me. When I was like, nah, because I used to be like naive to the, to the fat, like, you don't like me? What you mean? Like, what did?

Because I had to do something wrong for you to like me. Right. In order for you, I just don't wake up to be like, I don't like that, Nick. I don't like this, I want to raise to not like nobody. Right. You know what I'm like, why? Right. What did I do?

What did? When somebody like, you, I don't like you. I'm like, all right, what I said? Because that's the other could be. You heard I said something. I said something on my show. Right. You didn't like it.

But do you not like what I said or do you not like me? Some people don't. Some people don't like you because other people love you. Yeah. Which is weird. Yeah. For me. to learn that though.

I ain't understand that for years. It's always. Like I've grown, like older in high school. Yeah. It's always been. It's never something I did to them. It's something I didn't do for them.

Right. That'll make a motherfucker not. But how do y'all deal with that now with your success though? I don't give a fuck. Yeah, you got to, at this point, you know what I mean? You didn't been through it so long.

Like, for all of us, like we from different places, but all of our backgrounds are very similar being that we were all somebody prior to becoming somebody in the public eye. Yeah. So we were dealing with a lot of the things

that come with celebrity before there was any real celebrity. So you kind of get a, you build up a tolerance to the bullshit. You're getting talked about because it's always been, I can say for all three of us, before any of us were famous,

more people knew who we were than we knew. So that comes with a certain level of, you know, you having to deal with people talking about you, people having an opinion about you, people wanting to do something to you because people love you, all of that type of stuff. So once you actually get into the fame of it

and you realize it doesn't do anything but elevate, if you already got those, you know that skill set built up and make it a little bit easy it doesn't stop the bullshit that comes with it because it's certain people that's going to hurt you if they fuck you over no matter what you got going on is it certain people that had that type of credence in your life but as far as i know for us as i've watched all three of us deal with adversity and just you know been proud of the fact they're like man these niggas is warriors these dudes are beyond strong to be able to deal with all of the shit that the world has and then the things that the people that we are assigned to do as well

90% of the people who don't fuck with us just talk shit, but they can't talk more shit than us. Right. You get what I'm right? It's not even real. We were talking about that shit earlier, bro. I mean, I get why people dislike us, but to dislike y'all I could never understand. Who the fuck do y'all bother?

It ain't even n'am. Some people hate laughing. People get mad. The niggas hate laughing. The nigg I don't need to be a right. The niggas so. You're fucked up. People get mad.

And fan bases split and weird internet shit. I understand why people could do. just like Ma and I for no reason, but I get why they dislike it because they have allegiance to other shit. People get... Y'all don't bother nobody. No, people get mad because you are

who they're trying to achieve to be. Some motherfuckers. They're like, damn, I want to be... How's he getting what I want? I'm funny than Chico. I'm funny at it. Yeah, and it'd be like, damn. I ain't even know we were in competition.

Yeah, I don't even know. I didn't know we was in competition. Yeah, that happens all the time. But you got to block that out. You know what I'm saying? You can't pay attention to that because the reality of what people come up to us and tell us, like,

it's just, I look at it, I call it the rule of 100. Like, if you got 100 people in the line, and 99 of them got $100 handed out for you to grab, most people will go to the last person that got their hands down and argue with them about why they ain't got nothing for them.

And you pass by 100 motherfuckers who got love and gifts and admiration for you to go to the one person that has something negative to say. And that's really the mentality that we, when we out and people see us it's love. I trail to D.C. all the time, brother. The motherfuckers who don't like me, those are the same kind of people

that dig in their ass and smell their feelings. Motherfucking, right in their ass and bite their fingernails. Are these even people I want to be associated with anyway? They take a shower and then take a shit. I'm talking about people who watch their ass spray in their face. I don't want to be friends with them.

bro, there are people out there and put dicks in their mouth you think I give a fuck what they say out of that mouth that had a dick in it I don't care bro you enjoy shit that I can never

wrap my mind we are not the same we're not the same bro you're not supposed to like me I get why you don't like me you need to find somebody else you can fuck with that's gonna be all right

with the shit that you be doing? Digging his mouth. He don't even have the right mouth to say something good about a nigger like me. That's a dick fucking mouth. This nigga is crazy, though.

This nigga is crazy. Holy shit. And they do with their ready. Scratchez. And bite the fingernail, man. Fuck them people. Yo, man.

I'm talking about these be this. You have a pull up at the light and it be a motherfucker and you know they're flicking the bug out of the country. Those are the people who don't like me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, that's a fact, though. He's right.

He right. It was just. Yeah, that's crazy. This nigga got me as fit. You went from the country. Oh, my God, man. Country shit. Oh, shit, man.

Loaf from waiting to get that off. Oh, really. He's hoping. The people who don't like me. I'd be dicking their ass. It's smelling. You know how many people do that in real life? Oh, my God.

Hell yeah. Weird motherfuck. Matter of a fool, man. Let me see what it. You know what it smells like. Shit. It's like shit. Hey, man.

Yeah, man. I have done that with some pussy. I was fingering. That's different, man. That's different, man. I may have even bit my nail after. See, that's what I mean about what we do. Like, this happens all the time.

People think this shit, like, this happens. Oh, we make each other laugh like this all the time, man. Like, when nobody's watching, when nobody's around. Yeah, the best thing happened when the cameras was all. I mean, it's just all the time. Imagine the producer saying you can't say that. Yeah, exactly. And the nigger lied, man, fuck that.

Say that shit. That shit going to buy it. Just so I can see it. Have y'all had a chance to, I don't know we spoke to D.C. last time. He was here about it. Have you had a chance to talk to Ross since he walked off on y'all? Man, we were just talking to Angie Martinez about that yesterday. I've seen Ross a lot of.

They don't he think it's nothing to talk about that. Ross got some new cookies out, right? Some protein cookies. He just mailed me a jar cookies. Oh, yeah? To the studio. Okay. We've, me and D.C.,

we're in Atlanta, so we're running to them all the time. Yeah. It ain't, it ain't never been no hard feeling. I don't want to say no hard feeling. Yeah. Now, D.C. said he was hurt. But it is a hard feeling because. Okay, I'm going to say, first of all, I don't give a fuck.

Yeah, I get it. But I give a fuck because I fuck with you as a person. Yeah, yeah. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Okay, let's just say before all that happened, right? Yeah. Let's just say before all that happened.

Bro, I'm listening to you, Ross. I feel like you wanted to... Hey! Shut the fuck up! I'm listening to you, Ross. I feel like you probably one of the best lyricists from the South that we got.

You dig what I'm saying? Like, you poetic, bro. When I listen to your music, I think you put a lot of time and effort into this shit. So I'm listening to your shit. Now only that, nigga, I have fuck with everything you do,

you fuck with wings stop. I'm gonna fucking wing stop. You got you got... You got everything. You got to fuck with you. You got... You got... You're fucking with your shit.

This ain't promo marketing. Right. Your PR team and came and brought all this shit around. This was here. This shit was set up so you can see. Yeah. We rock with you. Yeah.

You see what I'm saying? Now, do you owe us an explanation? No. Right. But as niggas who fuck with you. Yeah. I think it's just something to say, hey, man, just a little respect to be like, hey, man, this is what I got to go.

This is what I got going on. Let me, I can respect that. That's cool. This is when it get insulting. This is when it get insulting. Because we're the type of people that we're a next. ever bring up nothing that we feel like that can be diminished to your career or anything nigger because we're some real niggas yeah the moment you lead our show you went and did a

podcast a white podcast you set your ass right there for almost two hours and didn't and didn't leave and you talk and the white folk asked your ass your ass was you a fucking correctional officer yeah we would have never asked you no shit like that and then we got respect for you. Right. And you sat right there and you answered that question so eloquently, eloquently. You got it. Right. You dig what I'm saying? Yeah. Like it wasn't even

disrespectful. Yeah. And then I get to sit back and watch that shit and be like, damn, what's the difference between them and us? Okay. Now I feel disrespected. Right. You feel what I'm saying? Because it's like, damn that, nigger has a man, my nigga, come on. Don't say money.

Right. We got it. Right. You got it. Right. But nigger, we fuck with you, bro. Don't do us like that. And it's still love. But, nigga, don't do us like that, bro. Yeah, I respect that.

I respect that. You feel? It was when he did say something about it that kind of struck me the wrong way, was when he was like the little homies and, you know, we're going to, you know, the salute to me, I'm going to do this for the, well, if you really feel like we're the little homies and we're your little homies like that, is that how you do your little homies, my nigga? Right. Because when you left, we ain't take none of that.

shit off the table. We kept it right there and kept doing what we was doing. So it was never no disrespect on our part. And we've had many guests come through that, you know, we protect. We protect our people. We protect our people. So it wasn't a situation where we felt like it was something that we thought was going to go to where it went.

We just got a product that we love and we love each other first. So we're not going to let us look bad for nobody. if we can help it. So that was the reason why it even went the way it went. But as far as like now getting the explanation of feel, it ain't even about that. But it's just about the, you know, like you said, the respect and the love or just saying, hey, man,

you know what I mean? If nothing else, come tell us why you left. You know what I'm saying? Come sit down and let us know. And even if you don't want to tell you, if that's another thing that we can't ask you about, at least come back and let us clown on the fact. Let us all come back and get up and leave on you

and leave you sitting on the couch what time. for fun, you know what I see. We got something similar like that to somebody that I really fuck with as an artist. We supposed to have two chains on. Right. And he was coming to the studio and maybe like two hours or hours before he's supposed to pull up, his people hit was like, yo, he got a family emergency. He got to get back to Atlanta.

We're going to double back, you know, next time. Wasn't in the studio. We had a whole thing set up in Jersey. We had a whole sketch. Whole shit. Like we were going to shoot with him. And I understand. What you say family emergency?

Emergency. All good. Go take care of family, bro. Facts. This ain't, this ain't more important. Yeah, yeah. Facts.

But we can't tune into the game at 7.30 and see you caught side at the Hawks game, though. That's a family emergency. But see, y'all don't know what, y'all don't know what the family emergency was. Before the Hawks, don't.

I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm just saying my first reaction was I feel away. I'm like.

No, but I get back. I handle the family emergency. And I go to the game. That child motherfuckers that made me fly all the way back here, and now I got to go to the game to be able to make myself be at ease for what I just had to come home with it.

You know what I'm saying? So that's the way of... Because I think they don't understand like the dynamic of the side of having a platform. Because people reach out to us all the time. You know what I mean? But it's not to the point where we're going to move shit around and cancel shit just to accommodate you.

Right. So when we do make accommodations for you, a lot of times when it's not respected, then it feels crazy. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And the crazy part about it, it don't, it did not stop me

from listening to his music. Do I be a little angry as I'm listening? Yeah. I'd be like, when you come all back, yeah, turn that shit up. No, I cut it off. I'm like, yeah. I mean, I'm a little mad, but I still bump that shit,

you feel? He did some whack shit, but I still don't know what I'm in. Not to play schematics, but you know, when you get people who, maybe you got somebody who's a bigger star and then they stay two hours. And they show love It make you wonder like

What the fuck really going on? Yeah You know what I'm saying? 100%. You're not the biggest. At all. At all. How you look at us

When it comes to our platform. Right. Like you tell you some other podcast sat down there. See, that's why I was saying Like I don't know these nickers. And they ain't even us, nigga. We're going to protect you. Like he said, we're going to protect you.

Yeah. We're going to protect everything you stand for, everything you live for. Even if we heard some shit. Yeah. We ain't even in them type of nigger. We're not doing none of that. We want to talk about good shit.

We don't have to. You left us when it sat down and let them folk spill whatever beans they want to spill. They'd be like, bro, we would have never did no shit like that. And you sat there and that were cool? Yeah. What was different with us? Right.

I'm hurt, niggas. And we in this game with integrity, bro. There's people out here who try and their best to get on podcasts and big platforms like, you know, 85. And they want to, man, man, how much is it? No, it ain't a money thing. Right. You know what I'm saying?

That's the point. part that they be missing. That's the part. They're like, if we're not angry, it's the integrity. See, how much to get on there, bray,

don't worry like that. People say that to me all the time. What I got to do to get on the show, whatever it is you do, keep doing that. Yeah. And we'll notice it.

It'll never be a dollar amount. We're not taking no money. We don't attach out. We don't attach out. And the regulators is called, publicists, we don't intact. We don't intact.

Managers. Yeah. It's out of that you can't out of that count home. He pulled up because we fought with them. Right. Even if your PR team and all the record label, hey, man,

you pull up and figure out of date. Don't send us nothing. Right. We pull up on our own time and we're going to do it because we rock with these folks. We ain't in it for that. And even with the Chains thing, like, you know, I'm not putting this on serious. They were our partner at the time. But it was facilitated through that.

So I don't even know if Chains had a family emergency. It goes through three to six reps in between of what he's doing. Chains could have been like, yo, I'm exhausted. I want to go home. respect to them. Which is cool. I respect that. And I would have been like, the amount of times I've had to do interviews and I just be like, yo, I can't do it. He could have said that and they're trying to keep relationships on

whatever universal and serious is and just made up some shit like family emergency. Can't say anything to that. One thing I do. Chains me have not even known that that was said to us. Yeah. But one thing I do know, in between and the agents and all that, sometimes people don't respect the relationship you and the artist's guy. Yeah. So some might have been said,

they may think it ain't that serious. And you, you like, oh, wait a minute time. I'm like, they're like, oh, I ain't know. Like, no, don't push them to the side. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. They're my people. Don't give them the Hollywood bullshit. They're my fault.

Yeah, I called them personally. I called them personally. I wanted to set that up. I want no PR thing. Yeah. So let's talk about the people y'all have signed. Signs your poor minds. Yeah.

Shout out to Dre and Lex. That's our family. What was the, what was the mindset behind it? Y'all just wanted to bring some ladies on and say, listen, we need to have some ladies representing this thing. Yeah, that basically is. And they had a joint that they were doing out the crib. They invited me on.

And I was like, y'all got some good chemistry. Y'all know how to keep a flow going. And y'all, y'all appealing. People will look at y'all. And y'all talking about something for sure. So it's like, we got the platform. Let's see how we can build a relationship. Because whether it's us that fuck with y'all or not,

if y'all stay consistent and keep doing this, somebody going to notice all these things that I'm noticing. Yeah. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th.

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Nikki Minaj. That is a straight... She's a straight shoot. If I've ever seen a straight shoot... There's not a metaphor in sight. If I've ever seen a straight tweeter, you don't have to guess. It's fucking this Nikki Minaj.

You don't have to get a fucking thing. Yo, Nick, what's... I just want to call Nick. Like, yo, what happened? What is going on? You don't need to call her. It's all laid out there. Yo, Nikki, you know I love you.

What is happening? You know, somebody tried to screenshot like a long-ass tweet, and because of the regular screenshot on Twitter, it looked like a CVS receipt of how long it was. And somebody was like not reading it, God bless or whatever. And everyone under that was Nikki Minaj fans saying, okay, so you never wrote an essay in high school? Like, you've never written a five paragraph I say before.

Yeah, but what's from? Not on Twitter, though. On X, you don't write essay. But no, seriously, all jokes aside. God, what is this stemming from with her and scissors, with Nikki and Sisz? What is this, what's the beginning of this thing? Well, from what I know, TDE's, what's this is old? Punch.

Yes, he tweeted a song that had Barbie in it and she took it as a broken Barbie, which is a song that's coming out. Well, no, it's out. It's from one of their new artists. The video came out. It's called Broken Barbies. Cool record. And then she went in, she started going off.

thinking it was about her. Then Siza tweeted Mercury Retrograde, Don't Take the Bay, L.O.L. Silly Goal, silly goose. And Nikki just went off. Said, go draw your freckles back on, Buki. She's still, like, fighting with Desiree. It's literally still going on right now. It is July 17th, 304 p.m. You could hit refresh on Nikki's page, and it is still going. And this is from three or four days ago. Yeah. Maybe five days ago. She keeps telling Sizzle, she, then Siza has said something, like, you need to get it together. And she was like, Sissy, you think you're more famous than me or you think you're more successful than me.

And so it's like, I don't get fuck about none of that weird shit you pop in. Like, it's just going back, Siza and Nikki Minaj, going back in four or five Twitter is something I never thought I would see, but I'm not surprised. And all right, so I thought it was based off what Punch was tweeting that had to do with the new song he's promoting. But then Nikki had retweeted someone bringing that up. And she was like, imagine if I ever went off like this because of what Punch tweeted. has nothing to do with that. So now I am completely fucking lost. I thought maybe she just misunderstood

what Punch was saying. And she's claiming it has absolutely nothing to do with that. She didn't even see that. So I am completely lost. I'm sorry, I don't have any journalistic things to bring you here. I know the Desiree, Jay-Z Rock Nation thing goes back to the title shit, goes back to them managing Megan and Nikki having a back and forth and funding Megan saying, nasty things about Nikki, according to her, which we covered two episodes ago. I was trying to, like, follow it and read everything, but I just, you know, sometimes I just be like, this ain't for me. Like, when the girls are fighting, I'm just like, when the women go at it. It's like when you see Chris Brown put out 60 songs on one album and you're like, I can't

keep up with all this. Yeah. I'll listen to the first five. And that's as far as I've gotten in the Nicky's is the thing. All right. So do we think that, you know, because you know, I'm always in music. Bar is coming? No, since it's not taking It says it's not going in the studio to diss Nicky Minaj on rap. No, it ain't got to be dissing it, but it could be a It could be a bar in between some good melodies

that's directed at Nicky though. I don't know, all right, SOS, the intro on the Champagne Poetry beat. Cizzo was getting bars off. Let's not act like Cizzo hasn't halfway wrapped before and is a great writer. Well, I definitely believe Nikki's going to have some bars for Cizzer.

Here's my thing. When Bigfoot came out, I said that if Megan doesn't reply, that's an L to Megan. And I still stand by that. I think she should have replied to that. Even though I didn't think it was the greatest disc record, you're not about to diss me like that so directly after I sent you subs and then just be quiet.

So I think, personally, Meg did take an L with Nikki in that back and forth because Nikki showed up to rap and did it. Even though I didn't think it was a good disc record, you still got to reply. I don't think Siza is going to do the same route. If Nikki comes out with a record tomorrow towards Siza, I think Siza. I think Siza during tour is going to reply. I don't. I do not.

I think Siza is enjoying her stadium tour. Like, I don't think she's going to. I think maybe a couple years ago, but I don't think, I think that Nikki's rants, the barbs are going to kill me, whatever, I don't think fuck. I think that Nikki's rants have taken her

from that beloved, everything she has and everything that she's earned when it comes to her career, she's earned it. Like, she's stamped as the greatest female rapper of all time. But her Beyonce-ish level of, like, the way people looked up to her, she's taken out away with the constant rants. People don't pay attention to her rants anymore because there's been so many of them. You know what I'm saying?

Like, when Jay-Z went on his one long rant on Twitter, it was the biggest thing on Twitter. You know what I'm saying? Because he never does that. He was also figuring everybody up. Well, yeah. But this is. So regular now, it's become so regular that people just kind of brush it off now. It's not an important thing anymore.

This is like Nikki ranting again. This feels like an extra crash out even for Nikki. We're going on four days right now of the same shit over and over too. It's not like new information. It's not new information. The energy behind these tweets that I'm reading from Nikki is definitely feels like she's been, a lot of this is shit that's been building up and shit that she's been holding in for some time and she just finally found the moment to just like really go off.

But it's definitely a different energy behind. This seems more like I've been waiting for this for this moment because like you know When it comes with Sizzar? Yeah, like you know I don't rock with you. I think you're phony. You've been mad phony for years.

Like it feels like that. Like I tried to have respect for you because, you know, whatever. But like I don't like the funny moves you've been making throughout the years. Like you always move funny and I don't like it. I think it's weird. According to Sizer, the funny moves were Nikki requested two features and she didn't do them. Is that funny moves?

Some people... Yeah, if you don't do... I mean, listen, if Nikki Minaj hit you for... And I don't know if this is factual, now we're just going on for what we're seeing. No, it's factual because Siza posted it and Nikki did co-sign that that happened down to her saying, Nikki, question mark,

who, nick or by... Of course it was that. So, yeah, so that's valid. Yeah. I don't think why that's... Crashing out like this to me is not valid because somebody wasn't available to give you a feature. No, no, no, no. I'm not saying that's all. I'm not saying that's the sole

reason. I'm saying I think that the feature's not coming back or not responding to the features or doing it, whatever, I think that that may add to it. Like, like, you're going to keep, like, you ain't going to do a feature with me? Like, like, I'm some struggling up-and-coming artists or something like that. Like, who doesn't do a Nicki Minaj feature? Now, that's not something you see often. You don't, you don't hear that. If Nikki Minaj reach out to somebody for a feature, nine times out of ten, that feature is coming back. Especially when you're not, at the time, I don't think Cizzer was as big as she as now. So at that time, I'm sure Nikki probably was like, I just think you dope. Like, you're not to the level where you

could just like not respond or just not send a record back. Like, oh, if you don't want to do it, just say that. But to not have no, like, back and forth, you know, on why the record, why you don't want to do it. I can see Nikki filling away like, like, yo, who is it? Like, where should he just curved my feature request? Like, that's crazy. Which I didn't even see the bars put this one together because I want to be fair and objective here.

I see your point. And she did a Cardi feature. She's on Cardi's first album. So here we go. So I try to get into the brain of Nikki. Even if I don't agree, I'm like, okay, maybe she's looking at it like, I've tried to do features with you. You didn't, but then you did a whole fucking do.

duet with Cardi B, who was my enemy and felt like the entire industry was posing against. But I still think this is corny and weird. To be fair. I can also think two things are true. I think the Sizz of Cardi feature came before Nikki requested the Sissza feature. I think the Niki's feature was for Nikki's latest album Pink Friday, too, which was like, what, last year, a year and a half ago, where the Cardi one was like six years ago. Yeah, for sure.

But also, when Nikki was saying that she doesn't even know Siss's music and the Sizz was like, all right, well, you use my bars on feeling myself with Beyonce. And so to me, I feel like there has been talks six, seven years ago of Nikki and Sizzah working together. I don't think it was just for the last album, because they did say it was two different times. Okay. So, yes, I think there was a time early that Nikki was maybe not even just a feature, just to work together, which is fine.

Like, shit, Rihanna was seeking out Siza as a writer to work together. This is a great writer. I can see around that time when invasion of privacy was happening that Nikki would have been like, oh, that girl's dope. She's a great writer. Let's work together. I can see that happening not just with the last album. But I don't know. I just...

Man, give us some music. Fuck it. Don't tweet. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me. Clifford Taylor the fourth.

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