New Rory & MAL - Best of Rory & Mal: Week of 7/28

Episode Date: August 3, 2025

This week on New Rory & Mal we hit on the Tea app's data breach, Rory and Mal get the 9-spot on this year's Complex Hip Hop Media Power Rankings, Demaris and Mal debate if the show "Martin" was colorist, and Jade Cargill stops by before her championship match at SummerSlam #volumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed human. The volume. But speaking of the girl whose birthday just passed, this is the girl that put me on to the T-Ap. She put me and Demaris onto the T-Ap. I keep hearing about this T-Ap shit.

So, here's the thing. What is this T-A? A couple months ago, right, I was trying to figure out if a man that I was entertaining was gay or if he was a serial. Is that the one you showed me a picture of and I said, yeah, he's gay?

Yes. Okay. I was trying to figure out if he was gay or a serial killer because he was too perfect. Something had to be wrong. Yeah, definitely gay. So I was talking to her and she was like, well, have you heard of the T-F? I'm like, no, she's like, you know, you go on there. And what she painted to me as it's like, they'll tell you if, like, a man is, and if he's, if you should stay away from him, like, if he's a rapist or if he's like a murderer or a killer or he's creepy, like, it'll tell you that.

They would know if he was a killer? Yeah. Okay. Red flag. He just came home. No, for real. One of the people on there, it's like he just came home for murder and his wife. He got time served. Like, shit like that. So I'm like, oh. He got time served. Okay. I'm like, so that's what it was painted to as painted to me as. So I'm like, okay, this is such a great app. Like it can warn women against like horrible men and stuff like this. Now over the weekend, it blew up and was like people were on there like, yeah, girl. He got a girlfriend. He'd be cheated.

his girlfriend, his dick whack. Tamara, just slow down because I want you to get there. But don't act like me and you did not search my name, Maul's name. We did. Everybody, we fucking knew his name. She showed us that T-Up. You're not on it. We are not on that T-app whatsoever.

One of our homies is, though. Yeah, there was somebody that was on there. I was like, damn. One of our homies is on there. Not for like doing no foul rapy shit. I just say he keeps cheating on his girlfriend. That shit ain't right. But that's that's man's shit But go ahead But yes

Once this girl introduced Damaris and I to this app We searched Pige I don't know Imagine searching Pige We just We found us

We didn't find I'm sorry We searched for you We didn't find you I'm sorry yes Did we? Because maybe we should double check So wait

This app is for just For women all over the world country All over the country No you can put a zip code A whole area Like she shares her location With that app

So she could just hit her location And it'll show Okay, okay. People in the area. Gotcha. It's like dick yelp. Okay. But it wasn't originally for that.

It was originally supposed to be. I mean, I don't know if T. App will say this, but it's the same way only fans. A lot of that to do with certain women and sex work and things like that to make sure whatever you're doing is safe with the people that you're meeting up with. Got you. Okay. So then it spread. Okay. And Demaris, you can take it from here after that breach.

I just want to make it clear. Yeah. He was squeaky clean on that shit. And anything after this will 1,000% because we talked about it. Yeah. They started just, it stopped becoming about safety. It started just becoming about. Gossip.

Quote, gossip. And so it blew up. Niggas was getting mad. They were like, what if we did this for women? Ah! Y'all do. It was called group chats. But they were just so, everybody was so angry because people were, you know,

exposing like, oh, I went on a date with him and his dick was whack or he's hairy. his butt stinks. Like it was just shit like that. That's what they on this app talking about? Yes. And people can give you red flags or green flags, yada yada. So yeah, it spread all over the internet. So you got to put like a picture of your face.

Like your profile? Yeah, they put a picture of your face. There was a huge data breach where. So some people, I guess, were uploading their license. Because when you, when you sign up, you have to verify that they need a record of you being who you are, right? So, for example, when I signed up a couple months ago to find out if that man was a murderer, I used my photo.

I didn't use my ID. Some people were using their ID. And then there was a data breach. So then all of those people's IDs and selfies became public. When the app is actually supposed to delete them the moment they have them, but you know, the moment you take them or whatever and they verify, but you know that doesn't ever work out like that. So huge data breach.

Everybody's like, ah, that's what y'all get. Y'all are fucking stupid for signing up to this app. And I'm just like, if the app was being used for what it was originally created for, I understand why an app like that exists. And I'm grateful that an app like that exists. But to make it just about like personal, like stupid shit, it just... When we were looking on the app with her, all of that shit was legitimately about, like, whether that man was safe or not.

Like it wasn't on somebody else's dick was whack or like, and it was really about safety. Yeah. So once that shit, because how long ago do you think that was that she showed us that app? A couple months ago. Seven years ago? It's always seven years ago. You know that. Seven.

No, but it was a couple months ago. Tapajoo. It's okay. You can tell the truth on my mind. I don't care. Unless you're trying to. Right before the pandemic. Top of June.

Tapajun. Okay. Yeah. When we were looking at that, I mean, whatever her settings were, we're just for safety. Yeah. Because once I saw this shit go off, I was like, oh, that was the app that shorty showed us. So is there an app like this for guys, like, so we can know that the women that? We would get arrested if we had an app like that.

Why? because double standards exist that I agree with like that's true rob me yeah yeah but I'm saying men couldn't have that app we wouldn't have we would never be allowed

to have that app but that is so crazy women do crazy shit too no I agree no I think men should be able to have their T app I'm just saying in this society we would get smoked

for having that up I mean to be fair women are getting smoked for having that app right now too well also the irony yeah the also irony of the entire thing, because I don't really agree with how

that app ended up being, because it ended up being gossip shit, but it is kind of funny that a T-app designed to protect women ended up having all of their addresses out there. Jesus fucking. Like, that was the irony of the entire thing. Because all the women that used their

IDs, their addresses were in there. Yeah, that's fucked up. But it turned into some gossipy shit. Like, listen, Dick Yelp was fucked up. But at least it was called Dick Yelp. We knew what type of time was the T app was really started to help and protect women yeah they was wrongful put me on that that app those they said incredible things about you that was correct you remember the things they

said about me no it's fucked up they put me on it I said I used the hard ER and tried to do slave cosplay with her oh oh it's fucked up that everyone found out that you're a huge dick and you're a great lover oh god oh my god how do oh you poor guy they said that I do slave cosplay I And the only way I can fuck is if I use the RDR when I'm fucking... You poor gentleman. I'm so sorry that that happened to you. Oh shit. I forgot they said that about you, Roe. Damn, man, my bad.

That's the only thing on dick y' up I had. Oh, damn, my bad, bro. I forgot about that. How you do slave cosplay exactly, Rory? Because I'm a history book. He dresses up like Leonardo DiCaprio and the Django. Really into history. And she didn't realize that if we continued on with it,

Everyone was going to be free. Everybody. Like, no, we have to be here. She didn't let the story go on longer. All right, please. It starts out bad, but it ends in a beautiful way. It ends with Juneteet. All right, all right.

Okay. It ends on June teeth. Because fuck all that. Y'all not about to tell on Dick Yelp, it's okay if somebody makes up some shit that I'm doing slave cosplay. It's the R.E.R. Now I can't broke about the shit. It ends on June Teeth.

That's where it ends on Juneteeth is when the story is. Sean, just some real historical Yeah, no, they didn't see your vision, man. They didn't see your vision. Oh, my God. Holy shit, that's hilarious. All right. Is there anything before we do get to voicemails?

Is there anything we need to cover here? Anything music? Oh, Destiny's Child Reunion. I don't want to talk about it. Why? I kind of don't either, man. Why? Because I would have spent my last dollar to fly to Vegas to go see that shit.

I would have for that. Add me to the T-A. What? need for me. What's funny? You know, DeMaris and I would have sold you would have sold cat for some tickets right there? Yeah.

After we left recording on Thursday, which the episode came out on Friday, um, listen, man, number nine. And what are we? Oh. Yeah. I'm, listen, bro, I'm telling you the day just.

I enjoy your like actual genuine reaction. Yeah, like no, the day just. Like, no, it's actually like a pretty big deal. And mall's just like, No, I totally forgot. I totally slipped on. I didn't know, yeah, what the hell? Y'all were clapping at, but okay. Got it now. I'm on board, got it.

I was extremely late to pick my daughter up from daycare on Thursday. I ran out of here, and then my phone started buzzing while I was waiting for my car at the garage. So I called Pige. I said, that fucking complex list came out. How did they slight us? That was my exact thing, because I'm pessimistic. I just assumed. Yeah, yeah, you leave with the worst.

we already knew what Tom it was. We appreciated 13 last year. That's when we made our men's with Complex. That kept saying. Greatest platform in the world. When we were 13, I was like, Is there anyone greater than Complex? No, I don't agree that my album shouldn't have been on the top of it.

Now you put it to 13 here. Like, oh, everything's cool. Black ball, what? No, it's just, yeah. So good. I got white balls. Yeah, so I didn't even care. But I just felt like I had this feeling in my stomach that Carisha

was going to be number one this year. Let it go. Let it go. It's okay. Why is it that I wanted to see where Carisha was before we were? Like, tell me where Carisha had. Don't tell me where a new Roy and Mo is that. She didn't even have any episodes this year.

I know, so I figured she'd be number one. That's why he wanted to know. I was like, ooh, the puff child. They were going to be like, yo, just her influence being quiet was the number one thing. So I assumed that she was number one. Yeah. She was not on the list. We ended up being at number nine. Congrats to everybody in here.

Josh Pige, Demaris, the whole entire crew, volume. Thank you for everything that you guys do. We made it to number nine, man. Yeah, man. Top 10. Thank you. Thank you, the complex for the, you know, to write up once again. What's our guy's name?

Jordan. Jordan. Did I write up? Jordan. Thank you, Jordan, though. But please don't ever refer to me as the Drake Whisper again in your life. That's all. Thank you for Lovely lovely

Everything other than that Thank you It was something else he said And I was like wait what Oh let's pull it up Leslie we can read the entire thing Some things Some words that Jordan had in there

I was like oh wait hold a whole whoa whoa Look at what happens Even when you make top 10 of a list That you still have cripes No no no It was just some of the wording The list will never make us whole It was some of the wording

That's all Just some of the wording Yeah Rory and all on the rise After debut on this is last year They've crept into the top 10 on the rise. On the rise, already. Thanks to the fact that their platform has become more than just a place to react to music. It's now making news of its own OVO Mall has leaned into his

connections, emerging as something of a something of a, I'm nothing of a Drake whisperer. And by the way, you can't quote yourself. I can't, no. I'm saying, like, who called you the Drake whisper? He did. He's the only one. When he casually dropped that the Drake had a bomb on Iceman, the internet went into a frenzy. He laid it clarified that it wasn't another day. just that there was a hit coming. To their credit, Rory and Maher are in on the jokes and they find ways to have fun with their reputation. On the one-year anniversary of the Kendrick versus Drake Beef Mall

went head to head with West Coast counterpart DJ head. I like how he did that. And the first take style debate with Rory and DeMaris got in discussion. It was one of the most entertaining podcast episode of the year. You may not agree with all that takes. And maybe, yes, Maul takes the ovule glazing. That's what I didn't like. Oh, that's right.

So far, Jordan's saying nice things. It was like, great, great things. So far, I was like, what is Mall? Yeah, all right. Beautiful. Jordan Rose beautiful write-up other than that. A little too far, but props for the duo

for consistently finding new and creative ways to stay entertaining. Jordan Rose and everyone in complex. Thank you for that. Thank you, Jordan. I think that was great. I don't know, man. As much as, like, I do appreciate this type of shit.

Lists, like, don't mean that much. To you or in general? They don't validate anything, per se. Like, I think the list they put together is cool and fair, but there was plenty of people that would left off that list that I felt should be on there. That like it was cool. Like I appreciate people even hitting me up like, yo, number nine that's big.

Like even if you don't care about list shit, that's big. Top 10 hip hop media. That means something. Grateful, appreciate it. And it's great for when you have a partner like volume. They like to see that shit. People like to see that type of stuff. But shit, going through the list, my biggest gripe last year was that bootleg kev was

not higher. He went lower this year and I feel like Bullitt Cav has been smoking shit. Honestly, to be fair, I didn't look at Peach. I think I was here with Peach and he had pulled up the Powell Rankin's and once he showed me where we landed,

I really didn't look at the rest of the list honestly. So I don't know who landed where who is or isn't on the list. But either way, you know, lists are cool and you know kind of puts things into perspective somewhat, compartmental mentalize and you know it's good to have conversations and things like that but anybody that didn't

make the list um you know don't feel bad that you didn't don't think that you're not doing the work or not doing good work because you didn't make the list um we've been left off it when i knew we should have been on it yeah it happens man it happens but that doesn't mean as counterparts we can't bring up those type of people like i feel bag fuel has been smoking shit shout out the bag fuel if you're talking about people that it's hip-hop media right and i think they come a lot of basis. I think streamers that's still hip-hop media and we'll get to the Kai thing after this. But what Bag Fuel has been doing under what they said as their definition in the article, how are they not in a top 25 of everything Bagfuel has been doing?

Gina, not being on that list is fucking crazy to me. But the Her and Head show, it's both of them though, correct? Yeah, but... So did Head made the list, I'm sure? Yeah, he did. So Why weren't the both of them? But then also, Elliot made it, and here's my thing. I think Jeremy should have been on this list, because everything Jeremy has done outside of head, Elliot, and his show, he's been smoking shit on the solo side.

I feel like more than anyone on that show. There's Jeremy clips every single week of what he's doing on his own. I think Jeremy should have been on that list. I think it was the bars on the I-8-5 that kind of... First of all, it was just incredible show. Oh, it wasn't bars on I-8-5? Oh, sorry.

First of all, if Jeremy drove to Connecticut to get them bars off, if he left LA. I thought it was because Jeremy was on just incredible that, you know, they kind of kept them off the list. It was, they wasn't feeling this bars. I mean, I just feel by their standards, everything he's been doing, he should have been there. Yeah, I think that, you know, again, these lists are cool and we're grateful, thank you the complex. But to anybody that didn't make it or people feel like they should be ranked higher or whatever, whatever. Listen, man, everybody just continue doing good work, good work in the space, good work for hip hop. I think at some point, another, we all need and feed off of each other in the space,

you know, whether it's competitive, whether it's, you know, because we don't like each other, whether it's because we don't think that, you know, this person's work is good or whatever, whatever. So you want to kind of work harder so you can kind of get these people out the way. Whatever it may be, just continue to keep doing good work and keep putting. hip hop first in the space that we're in because that's that's really what matters at the end of the day um i agree with you and i love all that positivity but nah i'm here for a messy mood are you are you oh okay good get messy um well no i'll start with positivity black boy max at number four i can make a case that he should be higher i love everything black boy's been doing his and his entire

series of in the booth of like actually having rappers come in there and make music in real time on stream. That to me is the definition of hip hop media and not streaming gossip bullshit. If we're doing hip hop media, you could make a case that Plac Boy Max is one or two in that regard. If we're talking about hip hop media.

Everything that we're doing here is for hip hop. I think he should be higher. He wasn't even on it last year, but I guess that just speaks to the year that he's had. He went from not on the list at all to number four. So I agree with that. The Kai thing is what I saw. stirred up a lot of conversation.

Does Kai belong number one on a streamer list? I don't think there's anything to debate there. Numbers are real. Is Kai hip-hop media? He's from the Bronx. That's hip-hop. So is Ralph Lauren. Polo's hip-hop.

I mean, Kaab, but you know, he has his things, his moments, his hip-hop moments that's not his focus so I can see why people may fill away at him being number one based off the standards that Complex did give in the beginning again of the article I totally understand why Kai would be there under those circumstances of

launching rollouts of having moments within hip-hop yes I just don't know if Kai would be deemed hip hop like streamer yes he has those moments and they go far greater than anything that we've ever done

numbers wise but is that Kai hmm like do people go to Kai for hip hop I don't think the audience does I think there's some people that may go to him for hip hop absolutely

I think he does an incredible job of taking in hip hop to the new generation and how the young kids consume media for sure and making hip hop part of his world. But, I mean, this isn't hate. It's actually quite the opposite.

I just don't think Kai, if we're media power players, I think Kai should be up there on a Rogan list when you're coming to that type of thing. But I don't know if Kai really came in or ever focused on it being a hip hop platform. Like the moments, you know, we love to see Offset dance with him in the basement and like, oh, yeah, that shit is great.

Is that a hip-hop platform just because Offset happens to be a rapper? No, but that's what I'm saying. He's not just hip-hop. He has some big hip-hop moments. You know, you listens to music on the stream when the albums drop, when songs drop. So, I mean, yeah, I'm not mad at Kai being number one, man. I'm fine with him in a bit. Yeah.

I fucking love everything that Kai is doing. And then what is hip-hop media? Like, of course, hip-hop media. That was going to be my next question. What is it? Yeah, it changes. It's not the, you know, the WordUp magazine. And it's not that type of thing.

And it's not just the source magazine. magazine type of hip-hop media style anymore. Things have changed. Things are digital. Streaming is such a huge part of our culture right now and the way people receive music. So I think this is on brand for Kai to be number one. I'm not mad at that. And I didn't know he was number one until, I think just now until y'all just told me that. I seriously did not look at the rest of this list. Like, I don't know who is what and where they landed. Yeah. And I mean, I guess based off their cry is, to your point, the question I want to ask, what is hip-hop media?

Because there should never be a world where my name is above big boys' name in hip-hop media power players, ever. But if it's off the criteria of what is actually just happening right now and how people are finding new ways to revamp how people consume things, then I get it. But putting this together is going to offend somebody. Yeah, somebody's going to be offended, just like I was offended. But thank you, Jordan Rose. I appreciate that.

What, man? When Jordan hit me up for a picture and I'm like, what, man? What we do now? He was like, it's for the hip-hop power, rank his list. You didn't even tell us that. How I found out on my way to daycare. Why would I tell y'all that? But I didn't know what number we were.

He didn't tell me what number we were. He just said that he was doing the list. So why would I, I mean, I knew we eventually were going to find out what number we were. I wasn't going to ask him what number we were. So I sent him pictures. Yo, Jordan, I sent you. Two pictures, man. One of them had me in it, yo.

Trying to figure out why the fuck you went with the one with just Rory M. I said in the post, I feel like you should have been right there. You don't have to. That's fine. It's okay. I appreciate that, but you don't have to do that. All right, baby, D. What's so with your girl, Ari, man.

What would I do? What did she do? Oh, you just... I've seen the discourse. The discourse. I've seen the discourse that she kind of robbed. Are you talking about Ari Lendon? in reference to saying that the jokes about Pam were anti-black?

Yes. Okay. I don't think that she's being overly sensitive. She's not the first person to ever say that. That's like been a running-like thing, that the reason why, in a lot of shows back in those days, and some shows now, that the sidekick is always a dark-skinned woman and she catches a lot of jokes. Do I think that people always found Pam to be fine? Yes.

But the- ABD Newsflash, Martin joked on everybody on that show. For sure. For sure. Even his own girlfriend. For sure. What are we talking about? But what I'm saying is I don't want to make that an Ari thing because she's not the first person to ever bring that up.

Okay, but she's the loudest person to bring it up. Okay. Well, some people think that there are colorism conversations and little undersided jokes of like the sidekick, the light skin girl with the black sidekick. Does colorism, does colorism, do colorism, exist in television, film, Hollywood, absolutely. Was Martin being a colorist towards Pam? He never mentioned her complexion one time on that show. That's a joke.

It was always her hair. It was always referring to her as being manly. Can't find a man. Okay. So. It was never because you're dark-skinned. Okay. So those are all stereotypes that are used with dark-skinned women.

Being to being masculine, not. being able to keep a man and being nappy-headed. Those are anti-black tropes that are attributed to black to dark-to-dican black women. He used to talk about Gina's Kitchen too and say her head was big. He said her head was because that's a trope against light-skinned women. Light-skinned women got big ass heads. That's a

trope against light-skinned women, that they got big foreheads. So everything that's, the moment you started naming those things, those are all anti-black women, anti-dark-skinned women's sentiment. So he doesn't have to mention her color, but those are all things that society has

attributed to dark-skinned women. Are you seeing what I'm saying? So I do get that everybody knew Pam was fine. Like everybody, well, if you knew, you knew. But back in those days, light-skinned women were heralded as the thing. Like, you need the light-skinned wife or the light-skinned girlfriend. And then you got the dark-skinned side chick. And I'm going to call her nappy-headed manly and say she can't keep a man.

She's not pulling that out of her ass. Like, that's not something she pulled out of her ass. She's not the first person to say that. I can see both sides. What was the complexion of Miss Claire Huxable on the Cosby show? She was brown skin. But that's also a different type of show. What was the complexion of fancy on Jamie Fox?

Well, first of all, she, Claire Huxable is my color. She barely brown. It's that barely brown color. Tashina Arnold is your complexion. No, she's not. Tashina Arnold is your complexion. She's a little bit darker than me. Tishina Arnold is your complexion.

Okay. We can agree to disagree. I might be wrong. I might be wrong. Definitely your complexion. But, yeah. What I'm saying is brown skin women, the first mom and fresh prints was a brown skin. And they got rid of her and got replaced it with a light skin woman.

And that was a big thing. Which was the craziest move. But I'm saying the original character was casted as a brown skin black woman. I'm just, again, this victim mentality thing, we got to move past it. Because if we just look at the landscape, black women, brown skin women have been. represented on every level for years. They have. Now, you can point out instances where maybe, and that's cool, but it's like, okay, but

maybe just this actress was better than the brown skin actress, and that's why she was casted here. But that's not what happened with Fresh Prince and they all came out. I'm not saying, I'm not talking about Fresh Prince specific. I'm just saying the original mom in Fresh Prince was casted as a brown skin black woman, correct? So again, when they made a change, of course it was weird. We all recognized that. That was crazy.

It was like, y'all couldn't even go cast another brown, like a brown skin, darker-skinned woman. Y'all got a lighter-skinned woman to not even try to, like, you know, kind of fool us a little bit. Y'all just completely just made a shit. Okay, cool. But what I'm saying is brown-skinned women have always been represented in television. When you go back to good times, all of these shows like, so my thing is, how do we get to a, first of all, comedy, number one, where jokes is going to be cracked. that's number one. Martin, it's not like Martin is a white man playing this role.

He's cracking on his wife's best friend who's a brown skin woman. He's a black man, but he's cracking on everybody. Yes. All of his friends got it. Anytime they walk through the door, it's jokes. We can't turn this into, yo, this was, it made me feel away. We all laughed. We all still laugh.

Nobody, have you ever once, you, I'm just talking about you, never mind with the internet of the sand. Have you ever once watch Martin? and felt like what he said to Pam was inappropriate. Not as far as being inappropriate, no, but I'm very aware of tropes against black women. We all are. I'm talking about this specific, Martin the show,

with Martin and Pam's character, and Pam's character, Tascina Arnold's character, Pam. Did you ever watch that and feel like, yo, he kind of going crazy on Pam? No, and it's only because she dark-skinned. It's not about that. It's about the things that he said to Pam, even if he wasn't, if the actresses were switched

and Gina was somehow the best friend or that Gina had another light skin best friend, the jokes would not have been that they were manly, can't keep a man in nappy-headed. Those would not have been the jokes. They would have still got joked on, but those wouldn't have been the jokes. But he's made nappy-headed jokes about Gina before.

He might have said something about like, oh, like you need to straighten your hair or something. Like something like that. But even that in itself is anti-black. Just because he's saying it to a light-skinned woman is still anti-black women. Like making comments about black women's hair is anti-black. Now, I'm not vilifying Martin because we're much more aware of these things these days.

But just because nobody was talking about it back then doesn't mean that people can't look back and peep it. We look back our old TV shows all the time and peep shit. That was like, that was a little crazy. Doesn't mean anybody deserves to be canceled or anything like that. No, but Ari just came out and said that she felt some type of way about that because those are anti-black women tropes. There's nothing manly. It makes sense if that's coming. from somebody who's not a black man who we know loves black women.

But that's like saying black people can't be colorist and that's not true because we're the worst at it. Of course. I'm not saying that. White people are just, you're a nigger. Like skin, dark skin, you a nigger. I'm talking very specific to Martin Lawrence here. Because we know that he wrote on the show.

We know that a lot of it was improv. We know that a lot of it was him throwing his comedy into it. So do we think that Martin Lawrence is a colorist? Because that's what we would be saying here. I think that throughout, I think that throughout the, it's not, I don't think it's as black as white, black and white as that. I think that colorism has been so embedded in our society that somebody might not be a bad person for having, for contributing stereotypes to different colors and different shades of black, because that's just so embedded in our society. The same way that dark skin women are automatically labeled as aggressive, more aggressive, and light skin women are labeled as softer. Even if no one's says it out loud, this has been a societal thing for forever. It's embedded in society. It's an automatic thought. And unless you're super hyper aware of the things that you're thinking and the way that you're moving, you wouldn't even know because it's just always been like that.

So I understand what Ari is saying. I don't think it's specific to Martin and I didn't get offended by what was going on in Martin. I don't think nobody has ever got to think about but like I said, she's not the first person to bring that up. About Martin? There is nothing, there is nothing manly about Tishina Aram. nothing manly about her that's why it's called a joke yeah but this is the thing why would that joke even be made but that's his best that's his his girlfriend's best that's what you're supposed to do if she was light skin he would never have called her mind impressive but this I'm not doing that but that's just what it is no that's not what it is okay that's what they're trying to that's what they're trying to

that's what they're trying to make it and paint it as okay but that's not what it is we can like that and that's what this the victim mentality shit it has it has We can't we can't do that to Martin Lawrence in the legendary show that is Martin. We cannot do that because we know that that's not what it was and that's not what it is. How do you know that? That's what I'm saying. You say you know. How do you know that?

Demaris, we've watched this show. It's been syndicated reruns for years. It's on Netflix. Nobody has ever watched it and said, you know, I ain't going to lie. He's going crazy on Pam. And it's only because she brown skin. But that's because you weren't you weren't really looking for it. And you wouldn't be the victim in that.

Like, you wouldn't be the... That don't mean I can't see the victim and know that some colorism shit is going on because I'm not the victim? But what I'm saying is that show came out years ago, Mom. First of all, we can end this conversation because we're not going to agree, and that's fine. But I just think that, like I said, nobody's calling Martin. I don't... Well, I'm not calling Martin a bad person.

I just think that, again, colorism is so embedded in our society to half the time, we don't even notice it when it pops up. And I also think that colorism is so embedded in our society that we call something colorism when it's not. Okay. That's what I think. I think that is so embedded. Throughout history,

throughout history, darker skin, darker brown and darker skin women have been labeled as ugly, as manly and aggressive and nappy-headed, those are all colorist tropes.

So if they pop up in jokes back in the day, yeah, the same way niggas used to call darker-skinned people African booty scratchers. These things were real. Like this happened.

But back in the day, we were not as sensitive to it, but that doesn't make it like less real. Light skin girls have always been labeled as prettier and more attractive and softer. That's real. They have studies on shit like that. That is real. I'm not saying it's not. I'm saying here, in this

instance, it's not real. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying that it doesn't exist. You think that Martin Lawrence in the 90s, in the 90s, you think that he was above being affected by society's tropes. You think that he was just way beyond that. You don't think that

society affected him and his writing at all. I'm not going to say it didn't affect. Or casting at all. No. I don't think of him, no. The same person. Well, first of all, Tashina Arnold and Tisha Campbell are like best friends in real life. They've done multiple movies together.

Yeah, of course. So, like, they were casted probably because they have a history. Like, I think they've all done movies before this together when they were all in the same movie. So do you think it's possible that the same person that has a stereotypical trope on his show named Shennaneh, is that her name? You don't think that that person who created that character is capable of having a little bit of colorism in their jokes, even if they're not doing it on purpose. I'm not saying he's not capable of having colorism in his jokes. I'm saying I don't think that that was Martin's point and that was his thought process. Oh, I don't think so either.

I don't think so either. So what are we talking about? No, because what I'm saying is it's embedded. Sometimes we do, sometimes we have stereotypes in our head that because we were raised on it, we don't even think about it. It's not us intentionally being racist or being colorist or anything. These are things that this was the way the world was when we were raised. So there's some things we just don't think about.

I don't think he was intentionally trying to be harmful because she was dark skin. I think those were automatically the jokes he went to because that's what people have always set up. about dark skin women. It's the easy, low-hanging fruit. That's what I'm saying. But again, we don't have to, we can agree or disagree. I understand people's point in saying that, you know, there can be a victim mentality with that. And I also understand Ari's point, because she's not the first dark-skinned girl, too, have ever said that. She's not the first person to bring up the fact that there was obviously a clear difference in between the light-skinned girl and the dark-skinned girl on that show. And also, I think if you

ask the actors and the actresses, even though they're all cool with each other and the writers, I think they can understand where those tropes come from too, because I'm sure they've experienced that in Hollywood. I would love to hear from Tashina Arnold about this. Yeah, I would love to hear from her, too. I doubt she'd speak on it, but. She would speak on it. Why wouldn't she?

I think she would put it to bed very quickly, like, no, that's not what the energy was. I never once felt like that. I think if Tassina Arnold felt like that slightly, that would have disappeared from me. But, again, I don't think that he was doing it intentionally or whether he was or he wasn't. I'm saying if she felt like that at some point in the whole Martin world, she would have said something to the writer. She would have come out and said it. We would have heard her talk about it now that years past the show was over. I'm sure she would have said something about it.

And maybe she did. I could be ignorant and never saw her speak about it. But I'm just saying I've never seen it. I've never heard it. This is the first time I'm ever hearing anybody speak about their characters, dynamics, and saying, you know, bring the whole colorism thing. And, you know, to stand and third, I just think that victim mentality is real. Colorism is real.

And I think we just got to find the spots where we know for sure. that's what that is. But if it's not, which I don't think Martin is, I don't think that was a colorism thing. I don't think that that was on his mind. I don't think that was a part of the energy of the show. I just think that was the best friend of my girlfriend and, you know, you know how the relationships are with your girl, your best friend's boyfriend. It's like he don't like you. You don't like him. You don't think he's good enough for your girl. He'd think that you're the single friend who would be trying to have an aisle in the face of other guys and things. It's that dynamic. You come in the crib. It's like, yo, what you, what's up? What you want? Like,

I don't think it was because she was brown skin. Like, I just don't, I don't get that. You, uh, said that you obviously dealt with the MLB world. How has your husband been dealing with the wrestling world? Uh, at first he didn't want me to do it at all. Like, at all was just like, even my mom was like, why you want to do that? You want to hurt yourself? Like, go, model. Go do something. Yeah. Mom don't understand that at all.

Yeah. Why would you want to, you're going to hurt yourself? And I'm like, don't put that energy out there. I'm not going to hurt myself. There's something else you could do. Why don't you want to do that? My mom didn't understand. He was more so like, for what?

Like, you know, I met him when I was 22. I wanted to be a child psychologist. I did that. He was just like, why? Yeah. So then I went to the child and all went great. And then he was like, oh, this is about to get real. I said, yeah, it's about to get real.

This is what I'm going to do. but he didn't want me to do it at all. And now he's seeing how much work that I've put in. He's proud of me. He's like, oh, my gosh, I'm so happy you stuck with it. Like, I would have never thought you would think of it. Look at the change in the emotion. Yeah.

And then once wife, you're about to become champion, you like, you listen, I'm proud. You know, I knew you was always going to do it. He's going to be ringside and throw her baseball bat on Saturday. I was like, I don't want you to mess up your body. I want you to retire with me. Like, what are you doing? And I'm like, I think what you did was.

great, but I want to do something for myself. Like, I think I can do this, I can do the child psychology thing when I'm done with this if I ever choose to, but I want to create something that's legendary for our daughter. Like, I want my daughter to say, oh, my dad did this. Yeah. But I want her to say, but my mom, my mom did this. Right. And that's inspiring to me.

So he has his career. It's different now because he's like the stay-at-home dad. And now I'm the one always gone. So it's literally upside down. world. Now, with you, again, speaking it until existing, with you being champion, what does, what do you hope that does for the little black girls in Florida, New York, California, just as far as like representing something for them to look forward to say like, she represents greatness, she represents strength. Storm is in the studio.

Yeah, control the weather. I said that. I bring the storm everywhere I go. It's literally storming. But what do you, what do you think about, or do you think about those little girls that are at home looking at Jade this weekend? I do. And it's such a fine line with me because I'm not for kids.

Like, being very real, I'm not for kids. I'm sexy. I curse. I'm grown. I'm not. I'm just not. But I do love to hear that I have an inspiration for little girls. girls who see me, they're like, oh, I love how you look.

Your confidence radiates, all this kind of stuff. Like, I want to be like you. I love it. I never wanted it. Yeah. But I love inspiring little girls that you can do any and everything you put your mind to. I started this at 27. Right.

And for a lot of people that can be late. But I was like, you know what? I'm going to give this a shot. I'm going to give them all. Let's see what we are. Look where I am now. And we had somebody like jazz and Jacqueline who did these phenomenal things for me and Bianca and Naomi.

Um, Pete, you caught that. I want you to catch a close-up in Jersey. So it's great that people see us, like these little girls see us and they know like, I can do that. Yeah.

But yeah, I can do it better because that's what we want them to say. Just as much as jazz, we looked at jazz. We looked at Jacqueline. We're like, I want to do that, but I can do better.

I can reach there. And now they can reach there and the next generation can reach there. That's all we want to do. Yeah. To create bigger footprints for the next generation. Now you have a daughter? I do.

would you be happy if she told you mom I want to wrestle? Like how as a parent, right, that face. Like how does that, you know, because now you're your mom now, right? Oof. Like do you say, okay and just kind of like cringe on the inside, but still like, obviously you want her to do what she wants to do and succeed? She's getting a great education first. Okay.

Something she could fall back on a trade something first. Right. And then if she wants to pursue wrestling, go at it. I'm a very supportive mom. I'm like, go at it. I'll tell her if she's not good or whatever you want to call it.

Like, okay, well, let's use that trade. But as long as she gets a phenomenal education, something that's steady that she can always go back to, I'm okay with it. I'm okay with it. I don't know. I think the way Braun did it with his son,

I think you might have to do that. Mother, daughter in the league at the same time? Listen, mm-mm. I'm okay. I'm okay. I'm okay. That would be crazy. That would be the crazy shit of.

You can hold that idea. It's fine. You can have that one. Then that show had to start at like 17, 18. Yeah, yeah. Get right to it. Man, it's called a bump car and it goes up. And your body, you feel, when you're 22, you'll feel like you're like 35.

Yeah. It's crazy. It fills up really quick. So you obviously, I feel like this weekend, again, Jade will be champion, Rory. She already said that she will bring the title back. Yes. Now, Jade, if Rory and myself wanted to get into wrestling, like what would we We have to, you know, like.

You already had somebody back then. It's like, no, because, you know, baby D.Jus, you know, she, she, she don't believe in our abilities and she don't think that we could do it. But if me and Rory- She gives Bianca vibes. I'll say that. Yeah, like, she's definitely Bianco. But like, if me and Rory wanted to be tag team champions. Okay. Well, yeah, pause that.

Like, what do we? How do we prepare ourselves? Like, how do we, you know, like, what is our first order of business? Going to the PC. What is the PC? It's down in Orlando. It's a training facility. So we have to train.

So what was that about a month to month? For sure. Most here. Yeah. Like, I'm thinking we could go, we could pull up Sunday with Jade, bro. Like,

we can go Sunday and kick some ads. For sure. For sure. Sign some liability forms. In case you die. Yeah. In case you die. Oh, you die.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yes. It's a lot of things that. I was going to say, Jay made that big. You die.

You die. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. But train, like, getting your mind ready. It's not that easy.

It's really not. All these celebrities that come into. they are all training. It's not just walking into the system. I don't know what the internet paints, but they're working on. Like two, three, four months? Initially?

Oh, right. Oh, you guys. Yeah. No, we would need four years. A decade maybe? Yeah, we would need five years. I don't. So when I work with Daniel Bryan,

he was telling me, like, you don't get comfortable until like seven years. Like, he didn't get comfortable until seven years. I'm four years and a little bit of change into the game. Yeah. And my first match ever was on national TV. So it's such. a weird thing because most people before they get on TV they've had a plethora of matches.

I didn't. Like the world see me as raw as you can get someone. So it would take a while. It would take a while. But it depends on like how athletic you eyes are. Like it depends on how good you are. You got that it factor. I was that.

I was at one point. The toe booth still clicking. I could still knock down the three. What is that? Yeah. I can't. Other than that, I can't do nothing up there. At one point I was, but I have a two year old.

I got dad weight. I need, I need. I need a decade. You think you have weight? That's not weight. I need a decade for sure. A decade? Absolutely.

At this point, Amara. I mean, at least I chase her. My cardio is great because I chase a two-year-old all the time. But other than that, I'd very much be easily suplexed. I'll just put it that way. Okay, you'll take the suplex. Pause. Now, give it.

Oh, see. The wrestling fans going to kill me in the YouTube comments. Oh, my gosh. But with that said, I wasn't even thinking training. I was more thinking if we come up with a good name, is that even worth going to Orlando? If we don't have the brand together already, why would I even train?

Yeah. That comes second. Oh. So branding comes after training. Yeah. Okay. That's how you do it at the PC. You can come up with stuff.

But they can have you on the side. They can have you on the side. Yeah. But it's your ring of ability as well as not just that. I'm coming in full costume. You know, like the guy that shows up to the court with all the headbands and stuff. And what are you going to do? What are you going to do?

Get suplexed. Yeah, I'm trying to. your whole like whatever unless that's your character to get suplex all to just come out suplex i mean i know they pay well kind of like the cool aid man it just jumps through no that shit hurt too much man i don't suplex to me you're being the cool a man jumping through jump it i would be like a good just being the ragdoll wrestling if you give me the right check i would do it i see private school prices and i'm fine with it yeah you get paid a lot of money yeah you throw me into the second throw me on to west side gun

I guess your psychology, do you use that in your matches at all? Like, does that brain clicking during your matches? Just controlling the match. Like, just trying to stay calm throughout the match, taking my techniques and breathing and things of that sort. Because when I was a child psychologist, I would have to breathe with my kids because they would get so worked up in situations.

And sometimes you have to think like a kid and you have to, because when you're doing some, it's like, you know, your jittery, like, and anxiety and your... You have to calm down. So I would use breathing techniques. But for the most part, no, unless it's a kid out there. But all of us are adults. Like, I'm going to talk to you like an adult.

I guess. Or that's your way to shit talk. Well, I'm just good at that. I have a degree for you. Yeah, that's part of your persona. Yeah, but that's something totally different. I was gentle with people. I talk shit.

It's a different. I can mind and message you mentally, but it's a whole different type of game. Whole different type of game. Can we make your playlist? to listen to on the way to the event. Like, can we put together? You already told us who you like to listen to. Okay.

Can we come up, like, Rory and I come up with a whole. What would be a song that you, right now, off the head? I mean, I would say just walk out with Nuckie Buck just like this. Nuck if you Buck will be. Let's bring it back to 2005, guys. I ain't gonna lie. I love Nuck. The kids today, do they even know Nog could be?

I see your Jamaican nails. How can we get Vib's Cartel to walk out with you? I don't know. I would love that. But I feel like, listen, I would love that. especially for my country. Mm-hmm. I don't think the band base...

Yeah, well, Bob might start tripping. If you see you losing, he might start tripping. No, no. All those charges were alleged. I think the fan base would sit and be like, who is this guy? Yeah. And that would, like, just ruin the whole moment.

But to me, that would be cool. I think it would be awesome. That's what's cool with bringing that culture into wrestling. I'm with you. I'm with you. So, I've even seen, like, what, like, West Side Gunn and Dizza and Wale and everyone have done with hip hop and wrestling like where dance hall can't do the same it gets weird it's weird it's a very like

wrestling wrestling fans are very hard i wouldn't say they're hard to please but they like their community first of all he said spit on me step on my yeah they're hard to please they're very demanding very It's hard to play. Spit on me, step on my face. That's a hard person to please. They're not all like that. And if you're the guy after him, how do you follow that? I don't know.

I just want to fix it. It was like, kids, two people down. I was like, are you watching this? You know, like, I just want to sell me. So it's like, it's, and I, the dad probably was like, yeah, go up there and like grab her. I've had a little boy grab me before in which I'm like. Locked these people up.

That's when you should have got your child psychologist back to talk to the dad. I was just like, you're raising a demon. I was like. What the fuck is wrong with you? He looked at me like, yeah. I was like, oh, whoa, what is that? He waited for that. He waited all six years for that.

Yeah. Did you pick your walkout song yet? Um. Or do they pick it for you? No, I picked my walkout song. What song you're walking out to? You mean like this weekend? No, my theme song.

It's going to be my theme song. Damn, you should walk out the shook ones, Mobb Deep. That'd be hard. It's not that easy. What is that? She was mad at 05. You're going to 94. What is that?

Mob Deep? Shook ones? I know Mob Deep is. Can I play it? Yeah. It's one of the greatest songs of all time. Like you,

I'm just, I'm just picturing Jay walking out to, fucking erupt. Don't kill me that I don't know the song. What's the song? Shook ones.

Shook ones. It's one of the greatest rap songs ever. I found it, part two. I don't know the song. I love a. You know this song, Jade.

She's from Florida. You have to remember that. You know this song. Everybody knows the song. I know, I feel like I know this beat. Okay. Yeah. That's way too calm.

Yeah. What? At MetLife? Dead life? My son is a- Let me take the scenario, champ. Let me pick the scenario. Jay standing there with the head looking

illustrious, shoulders, everything. Her triceps is glissering. And mocked. Shook ones, come on. Are you kidding me? Y'all, y'all tripping. We gotta buy that. You hear that?

75% chance of rain with shook ones? Oh, my. Jay, this is your prince per rain at the Super Bowl moment. It's going to actually rain while you're wrestling. the spirit of prodigy will come down. I'm going to look into it, but I will say this. I need a nasty electric guitar. That's, I just, I'm an electric guitar person.

I am. And it's nothing. The electric stove, the gas, and they're not hearing it in the beat, Jay. I need a good, I just, that's my thing. Like, that's just my thing. I love an electric guitar.

I don't know. I just, I love it. So if you can give me something on electric guitar. Yeah, but you won't probably come out to welcome to the jungle. Something like, no, I'm coming out to my theme song. No, respect to you. your theme song, I'm just saying if it's raining, Jade is standing here.

Metalite Stadium. Yes. And Shook Ones come on and you just standing at the top of the ramp? Hands out here flowing. Triple H will come out and kiss your feet. He's going to be like, I don't know what you just did, but we cracked the cold. Oh my God. We cracked the fucking cold. Let me see if I get them to buy it. We'll see

how it goes. Triple H will, well, he's I think he listens to rap. I think he listens to hip. He does. He listens to everything. He knows Shook One's Mob Deep. I guarantee. If you, if you say that, he's going to look at you like, what you know about that. We'll see. I'm going to go. He's like, okay, we'll look into it.

That's going to be the most incredible one of the most incredible moments. When it happens, you guys say, I made that happen. Let's see. Oh, if he can buy it in the next 24 hours, I will call Havoc and he will wrap it with you. It was not happening in the next 24 hours. HALIP will be at Summer Slam. I'm going to text right now. Absolutely.

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