New Rory & MAL - Best of Rory & Mal: Week of 8/18

Episode Date: August 24, 2025

This week on New Rory & Mal we debate if J Cole going to college makes him less hip-hop, will Jake Paul knock out Tank Davis, did Cardi B do "Imaginary Playerz" justice, and why Tyla has failed to reach the heights of Rihanna #volumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. The volume. Also, over the weekend, so I didn't listen to the spaces, but apparently there was a real hip-hop spaces going on. A real hip-hop? Really hip-hop. Okay.

And Childs of Glasses Malone, he was on there. Apparently, and again, I don't have all the details here. I just saw the aftermath. Apparently, J-Cole was not hip-hop because he went to college. They've been saying that, though. J-Cole isn't hip-hop because he went to pop? Def-J-J-J-J-J-J. was founded in NYU dormer.

Yeah, like, what do we do? That's not new, that's not new rhetoric at all. Really? Mm-mm. Jay Cole isn't hip-hop because he went to college? I remember seeing people like, yeah, I wish you would stop rapping about student loans, Cole. You're on your third album. You're like a multimillionaire.

Like, don't tell me about student loan anymore. That was a good time, man. But I've never seen anyone say, because you went to college, you're not hip-hop. Yeah. Y'all know why I think Jay Cole ain't hip-hop, but not. because he didn't went to college though like that's stupid um i mean bad timing is puff hip pop because he broke big at howards yeah i mean i don't that's that's that's because somebody and i don't know if that's a direct thing but you know how twitter takes one little sentence and then

makes a whole random conversation about it i don't know if that was the exact thing but that was the consensus of the argument afterwards of that spaces and it's just the wildest thing in the world yeah that's just i think that's just people looking for engagement that's just stupid Jay Cole is definitely hip hop even though he went to college Again, my feelings aside What doesn't make you hip hop about college? What happens when you get there?

People don't realize college is just high school You just sleep there You just sleep there Like I just sleep on the campus Like but there's not much difference than the high school And I never went to college But I was there enough to know like

Nick this is high school At least the first two years, yeah Of rappers that went to college That just don't talk about it you'd be very surprised. Yeah. Like a lot of rappers. So who?

Ice Cube has an architectural degree. Ice Cube? Yeah. Ice Cube. Somebody going to tell me, Ice Cube ain't hip hop? Like, none of you exist. Ice Cube has an architectural degree.

That makes sense? Oh, no, it definitely does, but I never knew that. Rappers that went to college. You know, AI never lost. Never. Oh, we knew Luda did. Mm-hmm. Quali went to, what?

City College. It's college. Yeah. Two chains. Childers Gambino, which, by the way, I was listening to Childish Gambino on a podcast. It was an old one.

It was around because of the internet came up. Hello, Cool J. went to college? Yeah, probably. That isn't surprised. When? He probably went to Stony Brook.

Any thing that's saying in the back of my mind, I hear my conscience call. Definitely with the Stoney book. He went to Harvard Business School. Oh, this is like when they give. Yeah, but that's after he was late. I'm going to say this nigga been a superstar since he was 17. 18.

He was. He was the first rap superster. When did he go to high school? Yeah. Like, when did he go to that? L.L. go to, don't tell me what they gave him after he was L.L. Cool J.

Nah, I'm talking about when moms was like, niggas either school or work, and he's all I'm going to school. But Childers Gambino was an R.A., and all of that checked out. Like, once he said that on that podcast, I think it was actually one-up. I think it was Pete and Sife.

I was like, of course you were an R.A. Childish Campino gives so much R.A. Energy. Little Wayne was a-N. Nah, this is all, like, after this is, yeah. Sweetie, we know, went to USC. Walee played college football for a little, but I don't think he finished.

Cameron played ball for, I think it was in Texas, but then came back. David Banner. I could see David Bannon being in college. What's funny as someone that is a reformed Kanye stand, having your album called College Dropout, and I seriously have no idea what college Kanye West went to. And I feel like I know everything about Kanye West. what college did Kanye Westgo? Somewhere in Chicago.

Like, where did he drop out? Chicago State University. But this is before he became Kanye the artist. Yeah. Okay. Logic, believe it or not. I would have never guessed. I actually don't think logic went to school.

That's weird. Meg, that was like her whole thing, right? Meg, yeah. She went to college. Like, I understand for women and, like, the empowerment of college and all that. her still going to college after she made it for what what do you mean for what people's careers end all the time that's a promise she made her family but she would finish college oh all right see now now even even if she didn't make her no retort now even if she didn't make that promise why would she stop people we see fail rap careers all the time oh i agree all the time you you the lifespan of a rapper is probably a year if that what was meg's degree uh

medical health certain something like health administration or something like that okay yeah health administration bachelor science oh yeah she worked at a call center

and shit if it don't work out oh she went to TSU okay she could do what mall was doing in the hospitals hey hey I took pride in what I did I did I took pride of my work what type of pride you took

I took pride in my work making sure the patients got their food and what they wanted to eat sometimes they was cool I run into the store because the, you know, the menu was whacked that day. They were like, yo, listen, go give me a calzone. You know what I'm saying? Did you check their paperwork to see if they could have a calzone?

Nah. If you about to die, like, I'm here. Doctor didn't understand why their pressure wasn't dropping. Like, he's seen pepperoni calzone. Yeah, I mean, they even give death row inmates food before they about to die. Like, I want him to go out, all right? Yeah, man. I would like, if I knew I was about to die, I would definitely appreciate if mall went and got me a calzone.

Yeah, man. I was like, come on, man, what you want, man. All right, I got you, man. I'll be right back. But back to my dying wish, if I know I'm going to die, can you go out and get me crack? Yes. All right, cool. I got you.

If you're out of here, if I know you out of here, all right, man, I got to get you that. Imagine smoking crack next to your oxygen machine? Like, just sneak and crack into the facility? Yeah, you can do that. Shit, they'd be fucking in the hospitals? Why not? Who'll be fucking? Everybody.

It's like a gel. That's kind of patience. No, patience and, yeah. I always thought there was like a joke from like Happy Gilmore, where all the old people were getting fucked. That's like really apt. No, patients like, yeah. It's Continent or only been.

Who is? Wait, all right. So patients are fucking other patients or patients are fucking nurses? No, they're fucking like their partners. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. And I've done that.

Yeah. That's what I'm saying. You act of surprise. I know you. I know. I thought it was like. Like Randos? Like I thought like the nurse game.

Like this was like some porn scene. Oh, no, no. I'm just some sick guy and a nurse comes in and I start fucking. I'm like, I just don't feel like that happens. No, no. Oh, no. I've definitely fucked a significant. other in a hospital before.

I mean, it's right. Pull that gown to the side a little bit. Yeah. So sometimes that's what they need. Check your temperature. Rectal? Yeah. Through your asshole.

Yeah, listen, man. The doctor will come here. Yo, I used to hate that fuck. Yo, like, I hated rectal thermometers, bro. I don't ever, I have no remembrance of ever having a thermometer mask. I could call my dad right now. He would tell you the story about how I cursed out everybody in the hospital and he was trying to do that.

So, your dad, do not let him stay. How old were you? How old were you? No, I was a kid. Cursing out everybody. Like, don't let him stick that in my butt. I wasn't playing that shit. You know, just give me that shit, put it under my tongue, though.

You know, I'm putting nothing to my ass to check my tongue. What type of kinky shit is this? I'm not that sick, my name. It's more accurate. We ain't gotta be that. I'm not that sick. I'm all right. It's got a little cold, nigga.

You ain't got to stick another in my ass. That's why we drink through our butts too, like to get drunker, remember? No, I don't remember nobody doing that. Can we talk about that? No, the other time. tampon? Yeah, the tampon and then... Oh, yeah. That's crazy. I don't believe that, though. I don't believe people did that for real. But how old was you?

I was... Amara had that shit happen, and that was the first time I've ever even seen somebody... I thought that was like almost a myth. No. I thought it was... I thought it was like dogs. Like, Basel used to get that shit. I might have been five, six years old. Oh, no. See, that's... That's kinky. A baby baby. I have no remembrance of ever having... I'm sure it happened to me. I will call my... He will tell you how I was cursing. Like, yo, do not let him stick that in my butt. Like, what is that? I'm not that sick.

It's got a fever like this. My ass isn't hot. Like my hair. What happened to the back of the palm here? Remember they used to do this? Just right here. Yeah, like you got to stay right here. You got putting out the mama in my head.

Get the fuck. And I've been sitting in this emergency room for three hours. I got swamp ass. I wasn't with that. I wasn't. Even as a kid, I knew something wasn't right with that. Like, no. Yeah, no.

No remembrance of that whatsoever of having that done. Jake Paul. Tank Davis announced Boxing is at its peak. Finally, boxing is back. Yeah, I mean, I ain't mad at Tank, man. Get that bag. I'm not mad at him either.

Get that bag, man. And as much as I give the Paul brother shit, everyone get money, man. Whatever. I mean, it's entertainment. We know what this is. This is just entertainment. Okay, but they got me on like their last 10 fights.

I don't really know if I'm going to like tune into this. Oh, you're definitely going to tune into this. I can just see the replays on Twitter. This is, this is Jake's, this is Jake's toughest. The last one was so, it was a fucking snooze. The Tyson shit was a snooze fest. Yes, but this is Jake's, this is Jake's toughest opponent. This is the toughest fight that he's taken.

Yeah, I know, I agree, but I already know. Which is why are you going to watch it? It's rule, there's too many rules. It's no rules. It's actually a, it's actually a bounty on a knockout. All right, but they say that every fight and then it ends up being an exhibition. Now, I don't know if they said that. I don't know if they said that.

I only want to knock out every fight. Okay. Yeah, I thought knockouts were, like, not allowed on some of the exes. No, there's like, there's a, there's a, there's a bonus if you knock in this fight, if you knock, if one of them knocks each other out. So, like, they headhunting this fight. Man, what's, what's in the fine print? I feel like with, with these fights, they need to show us the, this is the only time I want to see the contract with fights. Like, please show me what the real rules are, which you guys signed, like, sign it in person.

So you're saying you want to make sure this is a real legit. Yeah. This is a legit fight. Because this is insane if it's a real fight. No, this is a legit fight. Like even I thought it was insane with Tyson. I don't care how old he is. Anytime the Paul brothers have fought like a real opponent, I respect it.

And I think both of them, especially Jake, are great fighters. I'm not here to shit on their abilities. But it's always been in the confined within the rules of an exhibition. Whether they tried to promote it differently or not, I'm not knocking them for it. but you're just about to fight Tank with no rules no they're going to have rules you have to have rules regular rules of boxing I'm saying like you can knock somebody up well it says

when the acts of the fight would be an exhibition most valuable promotions co-founded and the Kisa Bidarian told ESPN that the contracted weight and number of rounds had yet to be agreed upon all of this is still being negotiated so however much tank is able to weigh I don't think he's going to go in there too much over his normal fighting weight because he still wants to be quick. But he'll be heavier than most of his normal fights.

So, yeah, I mean, I just think that'll be it. And how many rounds is obviously another thing to be negotiated. But as far as, like, can I punch you in your face? Like, absolutely. No, that's happened with all their fights. Yeah, no, they're going to be fighting. But you think that Logan Paul and Floyd Mayweather won, like, they weren't milking that old. They went the distance.

Yeah. I mean, but again, that's. Tyson shit like Tyson's still Tyson like I don't know but this is a if it's a straight off this is a prime tank Davis though that's what I'm saying yeah that's why there has to be simulations on a shit he's significantly smaller than Jake Paul but he was significantly smaller than Logan yeah but he still he still he still tank is still still very dangerous in that ring no matter if you're bigger than him or not um but I think this is going to be uh probably Jake Paul's most watched uh fight again because tank

that he's fighting somebody that is at the top of their fight game and the prime of their fight game. And Tank Davis is one of the most exciting boxes that we have. So this is Jake Paul. This is his biggest fight. I mean, how do you think the, I guess, quote unquote, real boxing world is viewing Tank, like his peers. Because I get with-

It started from, you know, when Jake Paul fought Tyson. Yep, I remember. And Tank jumped on Twitter and he's like, man, I want to fight you because he didn't Like the fact that Jake went in there and, you know, kind of made an older Mike Tyson, you know, it's like, why are you hitting on an older guy? Like, fight me. That's that type of thing. So that's why this came, this fight finally came to fruition because Tank wanted to fight.

He jumped out there. And Jake Paul being the businessman that he is was like he knows how much money this would make and how big this fight would be. So they obviously, you know, made it happen. But again, I do think that Jake Paul is bigger. I think that tank is this is going to be a tough fight for again tank Davis is tank David I don't know if it's really gonna be a fighter but tough of a fight and I think jay Paul is a great fight but I'm saying all right anytime the Paul brothers have fought real boxers

it's been Mayweather out then of his career tight like they always do it with the older legacy real boxers which is cool whatever it's fun it's entertainment I'll pay 1099 for it how would the boxing world view Mayweather when we've been waiting for you to fight Pachial, but instead you go fight a Paul brother during your... But wasn't he retired when he took that fight? Wasn't Floyd retired when he took that? No, no, of course. I'm saying, Tank being at his prime right now, in the middle of his prime, instead of fighting

somebody else, he's going to the circus. And I don't mean the circus disrespectfully. I'm saying no other fighter in their... Like, imagine if Zab took this fight at his prime. We'd be looking at Zab, like, what are you doing right now? I mean, for that bag? I'm not knocking it. I'm saying the real boxing, his peers looking at him like,

you know, we get that this has become a whole new genre. It's actually keeping money in the pockets of the boxing world. We got to deal with it. Matter of fact, we're starting to respect it. But it's always the legacy acts. Of course, Tyson, if he wants to go get a bag. He's older. It's fun.

Now you're really mixing these worlds with somebody in a fucking prime. Yeah, but it's different with Tank because he's not ducking nobody. He's already fought everybody's supposed to fight. The Lamont Roach fight I think it's still going to happen after this fight So yeah This is one of the bag

He probably picked up But this officially 30 million for this or something like that Congrats to the Paul brothers by the way Now if anyone wants to question anything You have been solidified stamped As a professional boxer For the rest of y'all lives

Like this stamped it Tyson didn't stamp it Mayweather didn't stamp it Tank Davis in his prime Professional just stamped that these are professional box You can't say it about Jake Paul now. How could you? Now, if Jake Paul going there, the number one in his prime is

fighting you right now. Not a legacy act. But if he going there and get knocked out, if he doesn't. If he doesn't, if he goes to distance, we can start looking at Jake a little different. I respect Jake Paul as a fighter. So do I. Jake has nothing to lose here. If he gets knocked out, he got knocked out by a prime about to be legendary fighter, if not already a legend in his own right. No, Tank is a legend. No, Tank is a legend. Yes. He's a legend. Jake has nothing to lose here. Tank literally, we used to joke, Yo, Mayweather, you doing this? Like, you got boxing on your back now. Like, if you want to get in the ring with him,

everyone's saying they're not real fighters. This is a joke. This is that. That's whatever. Now it's for real. If Jake Paul goes a distance with Ted Davis, he has the entire legacy of boxing on his back right now. I got to see what the...

He went from circus to prime time. I ain't going to lie, man. I kind of want to put money on Jake Paul in this fight, man. You fucking lying. I'm just saying, I don't... What are we doing? I don't know if I want to bet on a knockout, but I'm just like, the distance?

I might be, I might be, I might be in Tyson. Tank is what, 135 usually? Yes. And Jake's what, usually 20-05, two? Two, like, two-ten, two-fitin, something like that. 200. All right. Do we think Jake will lose weight?

No. I think Jake will lose some weight. I think he will. Some. He's not going to go in under 200 pounds, though. Because now we're getting, we're getting into live boxing area at this point. Like if we're going to make, he's in his problem,

there needs to be an actual weight class for this. No, but that's what I said. So they need to meet somewhere. It can't be like, all right, Jake, you go down to 190 and tank, you go up to 150. Like, we have to have, this is prime. This isn't some old guy that's getting a bag.

Yeah, but I'm like, we have to find a middle ground. Everybody has to be 155 or nothing. It doesn't work. Jake Paul not going in into 155. And tank getting up to 155 would be crazy. Jake Paul going in 155. He's going to collapse,

trying to walk up the steps going in the rate. He's going to be so dehydrated. Yeah, not. Wait, you don't think, Jake, first of all, Jake, I'm not saying, like, Roy's or anything, but he has been 155 in his life before. Jake, Jake has not looked this way his whole life.

In high school, yeah. How, all right, when, was it Jake Paul not going in there no 150 nothing, man? I don't know what you're talking about. Point card from the Celtics. Oh, yeah, Nick. Nate Robinson. You thought he was 155 when he was?

No, no, no, I want to know what weight he was at that before he got, like, to be a full. He was probably 200. Was that Logan or Jake? I can't remember. That was Jake Paul. Jake Paul. But first of all, that was one that I called. I'm so mad I didn't take more bets on that.

I was dying laughing when people. Oh, yeah. Like, please. I'm not, I'm not, what's more he's talking about, though? Jake Paul's not. No, I didn't say he was 155. I was just scared. I thought he was lighter.

He's not getting down. He's not getting down no lighter than 189. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, he going, he going in there. he might tip 200. He'll get down on 190 though.

Yeah, 189, 190. The difference is how many years? That was 2020. It's been Jake's. But I think, all right, Jake's last fight, how heavy he was? He definitely wasn't 200 even. He was more than that. Fuck, it might have been 225.

Yeah, he was more than that. That's what I'm saying. It's been a big gap. But he was fighting a bigger guy. Yeah, it's been a big gap from the Nate Robinson fight. He was 227. 227. And Mike, Mike was that?

Yeah, for the Tyson fight. Yeah, for the Tyson fight. Yeah, he was 227. I don't know, man. It's going to be an interesting one. I'll tell you that. What's tanks reach? Can we pull up tanks reach?

And what's their height difference, too? Tank is like 5'7. I think Jake Paul might be six feet, six one, maybe. Yeah, it's going to be. See, but I don't like this because now all of a sudden y'all got me thinking Jake Paul could win. No, no, no, no. I hate when I start looking at this.

I'm starting to consider what you're saying. No, no, no, because listen, that's what I'm saying. I might be inclined to just put some money on Jake going to distance or something like that. I don't know if I want to bet on him knocking Tank out. I'm not going, I'm not going to do that. But go to distance, because I think Tank going in there to knock him straight out. Like Tank wants to knock him out. Now, would he be able to?

Is he going to? I don't know. I think Jake Paul is a lot. It would be like an exhaustion knockout. He's not going in there, Haymaker knockout. He would have to wear him out for rounds to the point that he's just getting exhausted and then just one is just putting him down. All it takes is one. Oh, no, of course.

But there's exhaustion knockouts and then there's straight up knockouts. Yeah, but no, you can get caught with one when you fully, your tank is full. That's a, and if you get caught with one, all your energy, yeah. I'm aware. You play fight night before. You remember you get Kit with a hate make all of a time? I play fight night in real life and been at 100% health. With the GTA cheat codes, you still got knocked out real life.

Clean knocked out. This is going to be a good fight, though. I think this will be a good fight. I do think this will be a good fight. I know people, how they feel about Jake Paul, and obviously Tank Davis is a fucking legend, but I do think this is going to be a better fight than people think. It's funny because I like Jake Paul a lot,

but I also like rooting against him. Yeah, that's why everybody's, people want to see him get knocked out. It's because- They want that. They want to see him get his head knocked off. But it's such a weird thing in my head because, yes, I want to see that too, because I want to prove that, like,

it's almost like wrestling's real like boxing like now you can't fuck with real boxers but he continues to prove himself but this is the one if he wins I'm sorry he's no I don't do that because if he went you're gonna say yo they paid him to win

and all of that like y'all not gonna give Jake Paul's credit so don't do that I do think it'll be a knockout um I mean his brother couldn't even beat jelly roll like what are we talking about he did be they did be jelly roll oh he did yeah we didn't talk about

that was in the script See, do you go with the script shit? Do you go with this script shit? Either way, November, what, 15th? I think. November 15th, 16th, 19th? One of the teens. Oh, 67.

November 14th on Netflix, right? In Atlanta State Farm Arena. Hey, Netflix, man. Have y'all servers updated? That skipping shit. I was dealing with that last fight, bad service, all of that, have that fixed. Make sure y'all got enough fucking computers running.

Yeah, because that's going to be. this everybody's watching this i'm starting to walk back sony my takes right now why they have a 10 inch difference on reach you know what's like to fight somebody with a 10 like they have 10 inches over you want to reach i just told you i might even trying to get to you is like i might want to put some money on jake paul you just never know he'll find angles that i don't think we know tank is the better fighter by far tank is the better fighter by far he's the better fighter better boxer by far that It goes without saying, but not so fucking significantly bigger than him. When you got a white boy in the ring that, you know, he's willing to die in that

motherfucker. Jake Paul willing to die on Netflix. You niggas ain't willing to die on Netflix? That's a fact. Yeah, he willing to down Netflix. I don't know, man. I don't know. I got to wait until the odds come out.

I look at Fandu, when it gets closer and see, like, what they're saying. And I'll see if I could put a little, put a little something on Jake Paul going to distance or something like that. Where they fight that? Is it in Vegas? State Farm Arena. Atlanta. Oh.

Oh. Man, hit volume right now. If we're not ringside, then deal is over. Yeah, I don't want to be ring. That was in our stimulation with, in our contract. You see ringside, you get Vaseline, blood on your contract. Specifically with Tang Davis and Jake Paul, we were ahead of our time. We said if this fight happens, we got to be ringside.

Tank is a slight favor right now. Yeah. So I'm saying, man, you might be inclined to put a little something on Jake Paul, man. I'm just saying, just the distance at least to go to distance. this? 64% chance of winning. They got Jake Paul with a 64% chance of winning? Oh, Tang.

I'm about to say they got Jake with a 64% That's even crazy to me. That makes me want to put something on Jake. So I'm trying to tell you, bro. 64% chance of winning for Tank right now. I don't know, man. It's going to be interested, though. I still think Tank is going to win the fight, but it's going to be interesting.

It's going to be fun to watch. But I do think Tank is going to win the fight. Well, since we've, seen you, which I told you off, Mike, that Cardi B was cursing me out. On Thursday night at midnight, I was praying to God that imaginary players was good just so I could save my own mental health and my own phone. And what do you think? Her messages that I was going to get. What did you think? I'm honestly saying I do like the record. I think she was talking to shit. I think it was a cool, a cool flip. Same concept. I think it's a cool girl version of that. I think it's a great record.

Yeah. I like that she leaned into that because like I've said, That's where Cardi separates herself from the rest of the female rappers is the fashion shit. She's always been so into fashion shit the moment she got famous. So, yeah, I'm happy that she leaned into talking her shit with that. Yeah. I like the gloria bars. I like the watch taking the links out. She has some bars in there.

I think it's a great record for women. And I'm actually glad that they just left the beat kind of as is. Because, I mean, not even back to the awesome thing. But in general, we've talked about. Like, some of these flips are getting absolutely. out of control. So I'd rather her just wrap over the original beat than try to flip it and make it something that's not and sound weird. Like to imagine any player's drill record, I just don't need. Oh, God. So that's what I would. I don't think Jay would clear that. I would be scared that it was

going to be that. But I know, I think it's a cool record. I thought the video was great. Yeah, that's really my take on it. Yeah. I don't know if it's what I really feel or if I'm terrified, but, you know, could be fair. No, I really do like the record. And I thought the video was great. Thoughts on the Bronx legend? You already have imaginary players? I mean. Jesus Christ. You know I love Cardi.

You can be honest. You can be honest. Sniffles for this whole time. Now I've got sinuses. Y'all know I love Cardi and I'm supporting Cardi. I thought it was cool. I thought it was okay. Yeah.

I just, I don't know if BK Tide Wave would have approved. Rest in peace, BK Tide Wave. I don't know if she would have been. jacking it like that. I just, you know what it is? I think it's, I just, I don't know. And I don't, I try not to listen to, you know, a lot of these newer artists with the same hip-hop ears, the same music ears that I was raised with, only because it's just a

different time now. But it's just something about the record that doesn't feel authentic to me. It just feels too placed. It's like they would, it's like almost like chasing. you know, the fact that it's a sample from a song that we all know. Some people didn't even know the song since the first time they ever hearing about imaginary player. But it just feels too, I want to say produced.

It feels too coached. Okay. Like, I don't feel what Cardi is saying. Really? The glory hole line I thought was hilarious. I thought that was a slick line. I like that. But it's just something about, I didn't like the ad lib.

like I don't like the bitch like I just was like it didn't is this is supposed to be played it it's supposed to be cool it's supposed to be it just felt like it was too very this like say this say this say this say it like punchy almost yeah and I just didn't feel like I just didn't believe what she was saying in it now we all know card is successful and you know she's fucking rich and you know she's doing her thing like there's no we get that part but it's just something about the song that when we heard the sample was coming, I'm like, okay, cool. Like, you know, legendary classic record. Not a lot of people touched that record if anybody has ever done it.

So I was looking forward to that. But then when we got it, I didn't, I didn't like walk away from the video feeling like, damn, like, Cardi went up another, she went up a level with this one. I mean, but do you not feel like that's Cardi's delivery, not coach per se, but she is, and I, and I, I don't mean this in a bad way. It is very much like she's reading off the paper, but that's her style. Yeah, but I don't like that stuff.

I'm not saying that's not her style, but I don't like lines. Like, I like those Balenciagas, the ones that look like socks. Like, but that's the, I think that's why people like it

because she delivers it that way. But you can't do that over this sample. Because that's not what the sample. I mean, the point of it is, yeah. That's not what this sample was. This was very cool, very laid back,

very, you know, play. This was like, Jay was really style in this whole record in a cool way. He wasn't, you know, it wasn't too much aggression.

It wasn't, you know, like you believe what Jay was saying. But so you think she should have completely redid imaginary players, like not put her own twist on it? No, she could. And she did. She put her twist on it. But I'm just saying that I just feel like, you know, just hearing it. Again, say I didn't know who Cardi was.

This is the first time we're hearing this, this, this, this artist. Like, I would be like, yo, but why does she sound like that? Like, why does it sound like she's punching in every line? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it didn't, it just didn't feel authentic to me. It felt like, who told you to say that? Like, that's how it felt to me. Like, who told you to say that?

Yeah. Because when you, even if, and that's the thing that people don't, and I can be totally wrong. You know what I'm saying? I'm open to being wrong. Cardi may have written this herself. Like, she may not have to have no writers in the studio when she did this right. Well, that's what it says on the credits. And in the past when Cardi has had assistance with writing, she's had those

writers credited our songs. This one she's so even if she did say she wrote this right you can't read it learning lines like live with the live live with the actual record so when you're not it doesn't feel like I'm reading this as I'm rapping this because if you're rapping it you can't be it's a fine line between rapping and reading just the way you say certain certain words the way when you jump off of a word to get into the next word it's you know it's it's a style it's it's it just has to flow a little more seamlessly. And I feel like this was very, like, it was very staccato. It was very so I understand exactly what you're saying. I think the reason why that is, I don't think it has anything to do with reading. I think it's because of Cardi's accent, I think recording songs is a

little bit harder for her because I think what she's trying to do is make sure y'all understand her because she's been criticized in the past for her pronunciation not being that great. And I think that's why it sounds like she's reading it or saying it so hard because she's trying to make it it like she's trying to make y'all hear it yeah she over enunciates yeah purposely that's why i think it's been her style like i hear you it definitely does sound punchy but i feel like that's always kind of that even bodak yellow to some degree felt that i felt like that became her style which is she's the only rapper that i can think of that gets away with that and makes it a style because i should we've been in the studio of rappers and i've that's the number one thing i say you know it sounds like you're reading

off your phone right now So you're not rapping. It sounds like you're reading it. Like you could tell the difference. But I think Cardi has made that her style. Like that is kind of her version of that. Not because I've heard Cardi's songs where it didn't sound like that. You know what I'm saying?

So it's like, or at least it wasn't as in your face. You know what I'm saying? Like obviously, you know, she has an accent. That doesn't mean nothing to me. I'm from the same place. I hear that to me. That's just how people talk where I'm from. You know what I'm saying?

It's not even I don't consider that an accent. I don't consider that an accent. I'm like, what the fuck is that? I just talk. Well, the funniest thing is when people from LA tell you they don't have an accent. Oh my God. Oh yeah, but that's a whole other thing. So Cardi's accent is not, like I'm from the Bronx.

You know what I'm saying? So that is not anything to me. Like I understand that. But it's still the words just didn't, you know, again, she did a good job with the flip, like the sample, like not mad at that. But I just wasn't in love with it. Like I thought this was going to take, you know, to Cardi shit up another level. Like she's going to look great every time we see her.

So visually, everything is on point. You know what I'm saying? We don't ever have to worry about that with Hardy. She's going to always look good anytime we see her. Like, we get that part. I'm more so on just the music side. I'm a consumer of music. So I'm just listening to the music.

And it was cool. I'm not in love with it, but I also don't hate it. I don't hate it, but I'm not in love with it. I'm just like, okay, that was cool. Do we think September 19th, right? Do we think we'll get another single, and correct me if I'm wrong, if she's announced something that I don't know about.

Do we think we'll get another single, before the album. It's one month away. I'm on the side that we're going to get another one. I think they're obviously going to work this record, but... I think Week of... Yeah, I can see Week of for a video. Another single?

Yeah. I think, no, I think this is the one they was... This was it. I don't think so. And the reason why I don't think so is because this isn't... It's not a commercial enough song for it to be a Cardi's. Like, for it to be the one that... there leaning on. I mean, neither was Bodak Yellow. But how many singles had she given us already?

You said what? How many singles has she given us already? From this album? Just outside. Yeah, just outside. This would be the second. I mean, if you count whopping up if it stuck. But yeah, I mean, technically outside and this are the only two. So y'all think a third one is coming out. Outside got leaked. I think the only reason why they put outside out is because it got leaked. Outside didn't even have a video. But it was going to be a single. That was definitely going to be a single. Probably. One hundred percent that was going to be a single. Outside? I think we get one more.

They don't get more single than your song being called outside. I think because we got two singles that are just cardy, which I appreciate when artists that type of shit, I think we're going to get another single with a big feature. A big feature.

Who that is, I don't know, but that's what I think. I can't see them just having two Cardi singles as is and not putting out one with a big feature before the album. Who you think the feature will be? I don't know.

That's a good question. Who does Cardi got beef with? Who does she not for it? I don't know the girl's beef like that. Just Nikki from my understanding. Yeah. That's it. So she cool a lot.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, she was just on, what you call it? They got a couple records together. She's still cool with Meg, right? Mm-hmm. But I don't think they'll go to Meg, Cardi. They did that with Bono's again and I'd say it didn't work, but I... What about...

I don't know? Doja? I don't think it'll be a girl. Yeah, I don't think it'll be a girl either. Unless it's an R&B singer. So who would it be? like a gunner or somebody like that? Nah. I would think, I mean, I know she has a record with Sizzle already, but I could see like a Sissor or something like that.

She had a couple records with Sizzler. Chris? Chris, K. Lani. Pete said Jack Harlow. That Jack Harlow and Doja record is fire. It is. I don't know why we all skipped over that record. That record is dope.

Which record was that? It was his last single. With Doja, they're all in a Scott Lakin' Drum. I'm at the bar in the video. Oh, yeah, yeah. I like that joint. Doja, I'm crazy on that. I don't know.

I want to hit a Doja. Maybe. Bad Bunny? I can see a bad bunny cardi record. Because with Jay Balvin's on the last one. Jay Balvin and Baddha. They're together. Oh, yeah, they're both on that.

Yeah, they're both on there. Bad Bunny was on there too? Yeah. I mean, I'm... Who would you like to see Cardi do a record with? Doja. Yeah. I think her and Doja.

I can also very... much see Dochi being on this Cardi album for sure. I don't think it'd be a single necessarily but as far as girl rappers go. It would have to be a single. You're not going to have a Dochi version and it not be a single. Look at her last album. I was going to say she had all types of verses and they weren't single. Yeah, but they didn't know what that album was going to do back then though. They had me. Nobody knew with that out. Are y'all fucking kidding me? It was like three number one records before it came out. Yeah. Yeah, I think they knew it was a huge album in Atlanta. but I don't know, maybe ice spice.

No. I'm not mad about that. We didn't get to this last week. Damarisa tweeted out that Tyler was supposed to be Rihanna and Moll agreed with her. I never said that. No, there's been a lot. Why has Tyler been in the news this much lately? I saw Cardi was defending her.

She's just been the conversation. I haven't really understood why. So what I'm assuming, I can only assume, is that, so Tyler released like a little, you know, low EP with a single or two. And it's not receiving, it's, it's, it's the Cardi syndrome. It's not hitting like water. So because it's not hitting like water, people are saying that it's failing, right? Did you just call it the Cardi signal?

The same thing you said. Like if you, if you do so well on your first drop, anything you do after is never, she's never going to be able to match water. Like, it's a fucking cultural phenomenon. That didn't even go number one, did it? It didn't, but it's more of the, how big the song was. And you guys were very surprised at here it didn't go number one, you know? So definitely felt like a number one.

I think that I think the issue people and what people on the internet are saying the issue is, oh, well, because she says she wasn't black, she was, well, she didn't say she wasn't black. Because she said she was colored, which are South African terms, because she says she was colored, the black community stopped supporting her. And I'm like, that's not why her EP wasn't as successful as her last album. Like that has not. Like, I don't know why people think that. They're like, yeah, you need the background of the black community to get big. And I'm like, it's not, that's not what's going to. To be fair, I think the EP didn't do good.

I didn't even know she put an EP out. And that's what I think it is. I don't think it has anything to do. The music is probably great. The EP is probably great. I just didn't even know she put an EP out. All right, yeah, I see the EP. WWP, which apologies.

I'm not sure what that means. But 4-pack, first record with Wiz Kid. What, man? You're a Pete. Pete's, you said, WWP, I don't know what that stands for. Pete said what he thinks stands for. What does he think it stands for? I'm not repeat it.

I'm not even... It stands for we want to party. Okay, got you. Okay, that was a little... Pete was close. Wet, wet pussy, that's what he said. It was like the time when Chief Keith put out his first album and somebody... I think it was a breakfast club.

Somebody asked him like, so why'd you go with the name Finally Rich? And he was like, I don't know. I've seen like, everybody was saying Finally Famous. And I was like, yo, I'm finally rich. That checks out. That makes sense. He said. It was only Big Sean named his album

Finally Famous. So Chief Keith just stumbled upon like the big she was like, oh, you, I finally fed. I'm finally rich. There you go. Yeah.

So Tyler saw a wop, what ass pussy. It was just like, well, this is wet wet pussy. Yeah. All right, got you. Same thing.

Yeah. It's her finally rich. Mm-hmm. Um, but why do you guys think this isn't working? And I want my flowers. It's okay if you guys want to, you know,

give them to me later. You know, She's in fact not Rihanna the way you guys said she was. But anyway, I like Tyler. But this, I mean, I feel like water was pretty organic to start. And then they obviously worked the record and you couldn't escape it because it's a generational song. But I don't know, do they not know how to actually work a Tyler album? Who is she signed to?

She is signed to Epic Records. Okay. Yeah, I didn't see any. The only promotion I saw from it was Twitter saying that it did. terrible. I saw no promotion. I had no idea this came out. This was July. July 25th, yeah. I had no idea. Like, I had no idea she put out of EP out in July. It's given blame the team. Whoever the team is, it's given blame the team. But even if, I mean, true, somebody obviously on that side didn't do enough to get it, you know, where it needed to be. But I mean,

this is still like, Tyler's a, she's, her name is big. She's a huge, huge artist. Like, That doesn't mean anything anymore unless you have like a seven-year fan base. That doesn't mean anything anymore. Where your name? As far as selling records and being your big, it doesn't, that doesn't mean anything when it comes. But even if you don't, even if you don't stream well, even if you don't, I'm just saying for Tyler to have an EP out and most people not know she has an EP out, that's a problem. Yeah. Not even, not saying people would download it because they know it's out and people would stream it.

I'm not saying that. But people should know she has an EP out. Mm-hmm. Agreed. I mean, I think if you have the success she's had with in the last couple years, I mean, how could you not know that that artist is putting the EP out? I just, something is not, something is off there. I mean, is it has 23 million streams on Spotify. So I don't know, like, what, if that's based off more playlisting or anything,

but that's not, like, terrible by metrics. Yeah, no, that's she, but I'm just saying people, I just don't, I, you didn't know she the EPL? No. You are actively putting out music. Like you're somebody that knows when music is coming out. That's what I'm saying. People like that should not be oblivious to the fact that Tyler has an EP out. Like something is, something is awkward there. Like something's like, why don't people know that Tyler has an EP up? I mean, I don't want to like get personal. But when we were having that conversation of the Rihanna versus her and her having like remnants of Rihanna's early career with a big record and, you know, international and coming to the States to break the record.

There's always that it factor, too. And I'm not saying Tyler doesn't have it because I promise, I really don't pay enough attention to her outside of the music to know that. But that is a thing that matters, like, a lot, is that it factor, that Rihanna has, that personality, like that identity is that can separate you from having just incredible music and also being a pop superstar. But also, I wouldn't ask. someone who was around from the beginning of Rihanna's career, like I was in it.

I was the target audience. It took some time. Yeah, so I'm saying. I'm like that. I don't even think that matters because Rihanna's personality of Rihanna didn't come around her. Rihanna, Rihanna didn't come around to around that third album.

So Ray Lars when it like, yeah, I was going to say like that third album when we got like bad gal reed at that's when she become that. Otherwise she was just the cute girl from Barbado. Yeah, but even, I mean,

outside of the, the obvious with the Chris Brown incident with the Grammys, there was still, you got to know her a bit more when she started dating Chris. Okay. Yes. So I don't know. I just feel like Tyler doesn't have that part. And I'm not, I'm not on some time like she's Ice Spice or the, I don't think the clock is on for Tyler at all. Like I think she's going to have a long career. She's super talented. But that that part to me is missing as a casual consumer. Like as the person that's just like, oh, when's the next Tyler album coming out? All right, cool. I don't know enough about her.

Okay. Like even, I was not even mad. I know a lot of people got mad at Charlemagne when he asked like the questions that Epic told him not to ask with the color colorism and everything and you know she was looking at her team and the team was like don't do that move on i don't know i feel like that stuff is also important to like get to know this person to have some type of identity outside of just being an amazing songwriter like yeah but who are who are you i don't blame her team for being scared when it comes to giving up too much of who their artist is because you can be a personality, a personality, a personality, and you say the wrong thing, and motherfuckers will cancel you.

And it's a sensitive climate. So I don't blame them for being protective of be cute and shut up. But I do agree. And in this same climate, you can't just be pretty. Or lean into, all right, maybe prep her better. This is where, like, artist development used to come in. And I mean, you know, it's breaking the fourth wall a bit of where they would prep artists to say the right thing. And I'm not saying-

Yeah, but still lean into it, like having an opinion. Teach us. Like, I don't think we should be telling Tyler about her culture. Tell us. Don't avoid the question. Tell us about it. Am I crazy for thinking of that? Yeah, if you were talking about anything else, yes,

but when it comes to race relations in America, we're real sensitive about that shit. Real sensitive. Obviously, but. So I don't think. I'm not saying she should come in here and offend people and be like, Elon is my cousin, y'all aren't. Like, I'm just, like, I only, Trevor Noah is the only one I identify with.

I'm just saying that's a culture that she would know better than us. And I think media training can teach you the best way to tell the world about your experiences. That's, that's so I think that's a disconnect. Because even with, like, Rihanna, when, you know, earlier in her career, she was heavy leaning into the Beijing stuff because obviously she was from Barbados, but started to get more of an American identity. and herself as it went on. But that's because they let Rihanna do that. Like, they let her have a vision of who she should be

and what she wants to do. Ma, what do you think? About Tyler? About just the conversation in general or where things may have gone wrong. I don't know. I just think that it's still early for her. I think it's still early for Tyler.

She's young. I think she has a lot of opportunity left. I think that there's still trying to figure out her sound a little bit. I think this is still like a kind of like a figuring out stage for her out. She may be going through artist development in real time. Yeah. Like artists don't, artist development is not even the thing no more.

It's like you get a record, it goes viral, label gives you a deal, put a project out, maybe get a second project out, you know what I mean? But it's like, I think Tyler, they see that she's, and she can be a long, career artist and I think they're just trying to figure out her sound and things like that trying different things I think YEP four songs I think you know it's kind like spoon feed them like just see if this works see if that works I think she may just be going through artists development in real time I think they may be developing her in front of our eyes like and then trying to figure it out but I think she's

talented I think she has a cool person now I think she has a likable personality I think people will naturally like her I just think that she's just going through artist development in real time. I don't think that this is like any knock on her talent. Oh, no. I think that they're trying to figure it out. She's dope.

And again, she's also 23, so she doesn't really have an identity yet. Yeah. So it's kind of, they're trying to figure it out. They're trying to figure her out. If she had no talent,

I would be like, all right, clock is fucking on. If it's not connecting now and this was something that was put together just because you're pretty, I would say,

the clock is on. She's very pretty. She's very talented. Like, I think she has, she does have that. She's a star. Yeah, she's a star. She's a natural star. She's a definite star. I think the music and her sound just have to catch up to her star quality. She's a star. Like I think if any exec is sitting in the office and they see her and they hear water and hear these records, they're like, oh, no, we can definitely, she's a star. We just have to get, you know, the music to a certain level, get a comfortable with certain producers and things like that. I don't even want to say that because her first album, and that's what my tweet originally was, Tyler's first album is good.

Not like you just hear it once. And it's like, oh, this is cute little music. Like, I'll put on Tyler's first album and like listen to it. Like the lyrics are good. The production is good. Like, it's a really, really good album. So that's why I was so surprised that this one didn't do as well. To be fair, I've only heard maybe two out of the four songs.

And again, it's an EP. It doesn't get the same. What is her features like? What is her like? Does she do records with like a lot of artists? Not a lot of artists. Oh, you're saying her featuring on others? Yeah.

Not that much. I mean, I didn't particularly. particularly love like and I know it's going to look like more Travis Scott hate and I promise it's not like I didn't like that they put Travis on the water remix yeah that was weird um I like the on my body record with Becky G I thought that made sense gonna I get Tams obviously I get she that's one is my shit yeah number one that should is far song but yeah you're right she hasn't really featured on a lot of like I'd rather hear her on a gunna album yeah and gonna on her shit like I think that would help with her her visibility and and her new fans and just being more in the mix. So I'm with you. I think that would definitely be the case. But I don't know. When was the last time the quote unquote industry has broken a black pop act?

Yeah, exactly. Because that's really the question that when was the last? Obviously we have the legacies who are the ones. But that's been like kind of, I don't know, absent for how many years? Like when was the last new black pop act, especially female? That did well. Because remember, Chloe had her moment when we thought she would be the one and that didn't go the way it needed to. Yeah, I can't even.

Pige is looking up right now. Because, I mean, even, all right, Normani. Normani is incredible. That record with Chris Brown, forgive me for forgetting the name. I mean, I don't know what the disconnect is with Normani. She's gorgeous. She makes great music. I don't get it.

They give her the opportunities as well. Like, it's not like she doesn't get the looks. Who's our girl at Sony? Tanashi. Tanashi has gotten every look and talented. I don't know what the full disconnect is dope. Her music is good. I think she's talented.

I just don't, to what we're saying, I don't know what the disconnect is there, though. Like, I don't know why people or more people don't support or talk about Tanashi. I think she's talented. I think because pop music is centered, pop music for the longest has been centered toward the young teenage white girls.

and young teenage white girls don't support and push as heavy for someone they don't, they can't like see themselves in. So it's not about the talent. It's about the people who make pop music move if they don't identify with you. They don't look at you and see themselves as you. Taylor Swift is so popular, not because her music is the greatest, is because every dorky white girl looks at her and says, like, she reminds me of me. She's writing about this boy that she loves and I just won't love her back.

She reminds me of me. That's why she's as big as she is, because she's so relatable to the masses. And if you want to be big in pop, you have to be relatable to the masses. And a very beautiful black girl is not. That's my opinion on it. All the bigger acts, like if you go Siza, Victoria Monet, like all the, they're all crossover R&B that goes into pop, which is strange because straight pop music does not work with black female artists.

I'm sorry, not female, now I'll say that, black women artists. Black female artists is okay. That's okay. That's all right. You know, you want to know what I was about the point. You want to say urban acts? You're all going to say black bitches. That's what when labeled say urban, that's what they're actually saying.

But then traditional R&B doesn't work either. It's only really, I feel like, that middle ground that works in 2025 with black artists. When was the last time there was just a straight pop axe that was broke that didn't cross over? Because to me, Taylor Swift is a crossover with country and pop. Like when was the last time a straight pop? great. Like, Destiny's Child came out, and of course, they were R&B to the core. Don't get wrong. But that was a pop girl group. Beyonce again, crossover, but that was pop. When was the last time that's even happened with white artists? Sabrina Carverin too. Sabrina had to put out

15 albums that weren't pop before that happened. Did she? Straight pop music isn't like a thing per se anymore. Yeah, Charlie Xigel or whatever the question is. Who's, um, uh, uh, Dave Chappelle's sister. Chappellelli, what's her name? Chapel Rome. Chapel Rome. Dave Chappelle's sister is funny as shit for some reason. I was about to say if Dave Chappelle's sister makes music, that's the most incredible secret I've ever, because I had no idea.

I guess that's straight pop, I suppose. But yeah, I don't know, like Sam Smith, but even though that's sort of rooted in R&B at the end of the day. But that was a straight pop act. Ariane is R&B. Arianda Grande does make. more R&B than she does pop. That's crossover. Crossover, but she's not a straight pop artist.

She's like a Disney kid, isn't she? They don't get more pop. Tate McCray, yeah. Tate McCray is the last, I think she might have been the last one that popped off. I don't know, man. I just feel like trying to break pop acts is not the move anymore.

Make good music and find someone that has a personality and wing it. Yeah. I think that, Tyler. Like, you think like when Teddy Swims made losing control that's been on billboard for, I don't know, since I was, since 1990. So that, since I was born, I think. I doubt they went in there trying to make a pop record.

And he's not what you would call the pop vision of what he looks like. Shit, jelly rolls now, Pop. Jelly Rolls are wrestling now. It's the most incredible crossover we've ever seen. Taylor can sell out MetLife, but can she do a suplex? No. She cannot do what Jelly Row did at SummerSlam. Absolutely not.

Yeah, I don't know. The lines are too blurred now to even think about trying to break a pop back. We got to bring back to the shows, man. We don't have more. We need MTV Real World. We need those shows back. I think pop music was better with TRL and all of these shows. Like, you need those, man.

You need those. I mean, we need alternative rock back. We do. This is the story of a girl. drowning river and grab the world she looks so sad in photographs that was my shit right there absolutely loved her I think Tyler'll be good

just to close this off I think she'll be good if she doesn't try to aim for America's approval I know that was my point of saying be yourself like I think tell Charlemagne answer Charlemagne's questions don't cater to America

no I wasn't even talking about that I'm just about as far as like what your music career period like other countries are more loyal than we are. We like bubble gum music now. Yeah, the one she's from. Yeah. We like bubble gum music now, like in bubblegum artists. They're loyal to a lot of things. Nelson Mandela would like a word.

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