New Rory & MAL - Best of Rory & Mal: Week of 9/1

Episode Date: September 7, 2025

This week on New Rory & Mal we go through the leaked Young Thug phone calls, debate whether or not Drake owes traditional hip-hop media interviews, and talk with Joey Bad@$$ about battling the whole west coast #volume All lines provided by hardrock.betSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The volume. Did you think what happened after the rulers back when you dropped it? Because I was, what, January 1st? January 1st. Did you think things were going to go the way they were going to go after you? Absolutely. You know. You didn't think one.

Jay-Z reference was going to make the whole West Coast sensitive. I swear I didn't. You know what I mean? Fuck out. I'm not letting Joe get that over. You knew exactly what the fuck you was doing. No, bro. I promise you. I promised you I didn't. You know what I'm saying? Like, so I made rulers back, right?

I probably made rulers back. I want to say like two days before I put it out. Okay. I made it. We shot the video and we just put it out. And, you know, shout out to my man Sam, because he was the only person I was like, yo, I don't know.

That line. And I was like... So he felt it. He felt it. He was like, yo, I'm telling you like, like, like that line is going to probably close some reaction. Listen, I was even wrong. We came in the day that that came out, well, not the day, but a few days after we

recorded, I said, man, it's just a whole reference. Like, I honest, this is not going to turn out to be anything. Boy, was I fucking wrong. I really did not think that was going to make everybody as sensitive as it did. Same, bro. Same. Like, you know what I mean? I can't say that my man ain't like put the bug in my ear that he felt that it could.

Yeah. But my, my like sentiment on it was like, nah, like, I don't think it's going really. Like, you know what I'm saying? I don't think it's going to be that big of a deal. It's the whole line. It ain't like I said, yo, he fucked the West Coast. You know what I'm like, yo, I'm clearly recycling a whole line with remarkable time. And that part I understood.

But I'm like. So you knew that you understood the time. But that was why the reference was so good because of what was happening at the time. And that's what I thought. And that's what I thought. It was an old to a time where that was happening as well. Especially with me understanding my relationships with the West Coast. Yeah.

Like, you know what I'm saying. I remember when this shit happened, one of the first people who called me was Ab. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? We spoke about it. You know what I'm saying? We spoke about it for like 10, 15 minutes.

But Ab is different about it. He's super cool, super like, he gets it. Right. You know what I'm saying? So, but. To me, like, that's how I'm thinking about it. I'm like, yeah. Like, I'm like, yo, you thought I'm like, like, yo, for real, like, like, like,

you, you took that by any, you took any disrespect from that. He's like, nah, like, niggas is, yeah. Niggas is rap. Niggas, his favorite thing to say, you want to gym, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I'm saying? So I was like, oh, I bet. Yeah. But then, you know, shit started jumping online and, you know, the internet nowadays

fuel shit. Oh, absolutely. Like the staying culture and all of that shit. So, you know, this narrative start developing. And when the narrative started developing, I was like, okay, somebody's going to take this bait. Of course. Somebody's going to take this bait. And then it's just, you know, one and two, and three.

You seem to be very prepared. I will say that. No, I wasn't. I honestly wasn't prepared. I wasn't, you know. I wrote with the questions. What are we doing? Let me ask this quick.

Before we get to the rest of the battle, was if the Internet did not have the narrative that started after rulers back, would sorry not sorry have came out the way? it did even down to what I would say isn't a shot but it's a little jab at Cole like there were shots where I felt like you saw the energy of hey people took this as a dis so if you did all right so on a rap sorry not sorry yeah yeah yeah y'all say um disin line in there too I'm like um you know bunch of niggas with attitudes like you know what I'm saying that that was that was clearly addressing the people on the west coast yeah who was feeling away you know what I'm saying I'm like, yo, I'm just, you know, my response to it was like, yo, I'm just bigger up my city, you know what I'm saying?

Like, at that point, I'm like, you know what? I ain't, because for me, what was, what was, like, important to me in the beginning and it's like, I don't know. I don't know if it was a good thing in hindsight or a bad thing. But I'm like, one thing I'm not going to do is get on Twitter and, like, be walking it back or some shit like that. Like, yo, I ain't meaning like that. Like, I felt secure in what I meant.

and then I'm already speaking to my people on that side and they're telling me how they feel and they're not taking no offense. I'm like, yo, fuck the internet. You know what I'm saying? Fuck what they say. Complete opposite with Jay Cole did, but yeah. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

I mean, he takes a shot and sorry not sorry. But even that, even that though, it's like, you know, they won't delete that later, Joey won't. I won't. You know what I'm saying? Like it was commentary. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's not like, even that.

I'm like, okay, you know, I did think about that one, though, because I'm like, all right, now it's a little bit more intention. You know what I'm like, okay You know what I'm saying Like motherfuckers Not disrespectful though It was the it was the epitome of what this whole thing is

Of what hip hop is Right To me what you were doing So that's why you know It was good to see the guys get out And you know Get the pins moving everybody rapping Langer

I love that You know what I'm a little older So I know what that part of the culture is It's like this is rat Never thought it was going to get serious Or it was going to go left Right But I didn't understand how

Some people were really like offended though and really felt the way like nah fuck that i'm like but this is what they're supposed to be doing this rapping yeah and i mean i don't know i i feel like the internet was offended i don't think like i don't think like daylight was fueling it for the night night night was not on daylight was in participating i mean they like they're having conversation since the beginning since the rulers you did you did mention in the last record yeah but i don't know if that light had heard your bars before so before the red bullshit because um Shit, what's the daylight shit?

He had the skate park. Apologies, like, I forgot the record. It was one of my favorite joints. It came out before. Like backpack or some shit like that. Yeah. And he kind of predicted what Joey's first did would have been.

And then Joey had mentioned on the last record, like, you heard all my bars on the Red Bull shit months ago. Like, don't act like you some prophecy shit. Like, you knew it was going to happen. So that did happen. Ab played that for him?

Or how did that even go about? So, you know, when we did the Red Bull joint. We did that shit in March. It ain't end up coming to like what, like May or some shit like that three months after. So, you know, I don't know if Ab specifically played it, but what I do believe happened is

we recorded the Cipher at Big Sean's house, like a track. Okay. Because the guys was, you know, everybody just kind of wanted to make sure that we had a backup plan in case lyrics couldn't be remembered, memorized in time. Facts, yeah. So it was.

was like the idea of having this backing track. Okay. But I knew in that very moment that motherfuckers was going to hear my shit. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Because everybody's connected. You know what I'm saying? So like it don't got to be AB direct.

It could have been his manager. Yeah. Boom, boom. Yeah, but he's going to hear it. But then, you know, Ab is also a TDE artist. So top and, you know, the label is very involved on the rolling out of the Red Bull Cipher. You know what I'm saying? Everybody understands what it is.

You know what I'm saying? So at some point. So at some point, they heard it. You know what I'm saying? So I knew that that was going to happen. I didn't know that it was going to take Red Bulls so long to put it out. So by the time that happened, I'm like, okay, if I'm my enemies, I have a plan of action to respond to this, you know, when this shit dropped. You know, it dropped.

It went crazy. And just like I predicted, motherfuckers had a move. the day after, which made it look like to the public, like, oh, like he. Yeah. Like, he went in the studio last night. Like, nah, nah, niggas is prepared. Yeah. Niggas is prepared.

And again, I'm not here to have you start trouble with past. It was an amazing moment, I think, for hip-hop, because everyone just rapped and everyone became cool and friends and everything's fine now. I will go back to some of the stuff we talked about. Because we was on your side the entire time. but before Daylight got involved we sat here nervous for you

just because of who Light is and what his past career He's a battle rapper Yeah and Light I think actually is one of a few battle rappers that does make music that's good as well Which is tough

So we was a little nervous And boy was we proven fucking wrong Yeah I don't think I don't Where you're a little Where you a little surprised that daylight Didn't come the way

We thought Paul is the way we usually see in a battle with him. Well, I wouldn't say... By his standard, because I think daylight is an alien. I wouldn't say that he didn't, you know, Paul's come to way that, like, you know, he usually comes. But I think one thing that I understood about it is that he was in a different arena. This is a different stage for daylight. All those battles.

Yeah, but we're not on the stage. Yeah. Okay, so it's not the performative aspect of battle. He's delivering on beats. This is the beating on. You know, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's not. That's the first of his kind of a battle that daylight has had. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, as far as long as that's for sure.

Yeah. In the public guy or trading tracks. You know what I'm saying? Usually he's on the stage. And I think, you know, this whole thing would have went down different if it was like on the stage. Yeah, of course. So I'm like, you know, that was one thing that I knew.

Like, okay, cool. That's definitely one thing to my advantage, right? And I even say it, I'm like, yo, no matter what stage they put you on, you still ask that. You know what I'm saying? That's my thinking. Pontiandre when he took his ass off and shit on stage. With that whole thing.

But then two, I feel like one thing that gave me a confident edge over the whole situation was when he did the backpack thing. Because I'm like, you shouldn't have to do that. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So that made me feel like, okay, this is like I could do this shit. You know what I'm saying? this is beatable, you know what I'm saying?

Because now you're leaning into optics and shit like that, which I'm like, you're the great, you know what I'm saying? You don't need to do this. You don't need to do that. You're leaning on, oh, I knew this before shit. Right, you know what I'm saying? So that kind of gave me a little bit of, I feel like power and energy in the situation where it was just like I was able to approach it like a little bit differently.

But yeah, now shout out the day though, man. I really do love day. That's my man. And like, you know what I'm saying? That's my God. Daylight is one of the greatest. I just want to know where he had. I haven't heard anything from him.

As he posts on social media, like we haven't seen daylight at all. I heard he dropping the joint soon. The album? Yeah. An album or, yeah. Listen, again, it's surf and light that I think are the two battle rappers that like make good, they know how to make good music.

So that's where I was a little nervous. But what was that called to Lux like? Oh. Like how did that whole thing come together with loaded Lux? Let me take a little sip Yeah And I know Lux was laughing Like I know when he got the call he started laughing

Like what you do it? If I remember correctly on YouTube It didn't say feature and loaded luck No I did No because I remember being in my I posted the most Statue of Liberty emojis I've ever posted In my fucking like

Once I heard Lux come on that second verse Yeah Yeah man You know so me and Lex go way back You know what I'm saying Like I connected with Lux like probably 10 years ago, 10 years ago.

Like I did a feature film back in the day. You know, so we always just had that rapport. Yeah. Or whatever. And, you know, actually had a conversation

with him early on in the year. Like, you know, when the shit first started kicking off and shit like that. You know, we was, you know, laughing, joking and, you know, talking about the idea

of possibly, like, if I was going to engage, like, you know. But it was really just kind of like, poking fun out of the whole situation. Like, it wasn't nothing serious. I ain't, like, really be like, yo, boom, boom. But then when the, uh, when the, when the, when the rebel shit happened, I'm like, okay, cool.

So I'm my opponents, right? I heard this shit for two months. Mm-hmm. I got my move ready. Yeah. And, you know, right the next day, you know, Ray Vaughn drop. Mm-hmm. And then I'm like, okay, cool.

I went to the studio that night. Mm-hmm. And I made the finals. You know what I'm saying? Boom. But then after that, I'm like, okay, what is this nigga light going to do? You know what I'm saying? I'm like, I have no idea what this motherfucker is going to do.

So I'm waiting, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, I'm keeping the pin hot. Yeah. Just in case, because I don't know when this thing is going dropped and he starts tweeting shit and all that. I'm like, all right. They say my now is Monday. You know what I'm saying?

So you dropped the joint and I'm like, oh, I bet. You know what I'm saying? You know what I felt? like, I felt like, okay, cool. It was almost like when you get in the ring with your opponent and you feel that first punch, you're like, oh. That's it? Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

Like, oh, okay. So then, yeah, I went to studio, call Lux. I said, yo, yeah, it's time. It's time. Let's go ahead and finish him. It's time. It's like, yo, I'm about to sing you this. He sent it back lightning quick.

I ain't going on. Yeah, shout out to Lux. No, Lux is he's, he's a, he's a, I want some of Lux. I watch some of Lug's freestyle still to this day. Of course, it's tough to be objective, but where do you rank my town in, if complex were to put out every list that they used to put out of the top 50 disc records of all time. Of where my town lands. I don't know where I'd play it. To me, I think it's a little higher.

Of course, the dust has to settle and it just happened. But I think when time passes, I think that my town record might be up there. in one of the greatest battle records, in my opinion. Yeah. If you look at everything that was happening with that entire week, how crazy that shit was, that was kind of the stamp that, and of course I have a New York bias,

but after that, I was like, this is over, man. Like, I don't really, I don't care too much after this. This is done now. We spoke about it here. This is done. I'm obviously familiar with your pen and your work, but you definitely outperformed my expectations. Where it.

Like, I knew what you were capable of, But I was just thinking like, this nigga Joey getting TV money. You know, what's going to start going that route? It's like, do he really even still love that shit? You know what? I'll tell you something, right? Like, initially, that was my approach. Like when Day and Ray first started, like, jabbing and shit like that, you know,

when I was doing, sorry, not sorry, the pardon of me, and shit like that. I'm like, in my head, I'm like, I mean, I'm not about to engage for real. You know what I'm saying? Because I'm like, it don't, it don't, I didn't see the win for me. But then I started getting hip, to the fact that people like you know what I learned over time is like every five years is a bunch of new hip-hop fans oh yeah that coming to the picture get on that Twitter get on the internet have a bunch of opinions think pieces yeah podcast and all of that shit so in that moment you said what

I said what they who why we catching a stray no no no not y'all y'all ain't catching a straight I actually took it as a compliment. Finally, people were actually talking about rap music for a fucking change. But so pretty much what I realized, I'm like, oh, you know what? There's a lot of people who are in discovery mode about me. Yeah, absolutely. You know what I'm saying? Even though I have my accomplishments and my success, there's still a lot of people who are not familiar with 1999, Joey, before the money, you're an American.

So at that point, when we clicked up for the Red Bull Joint, and, you know, because I, because, you know, Ab like, gave me, like, a sample of his verse. And then when I peeped that, he was doing the, he mentioned the daylight and race. I was like, you know what? This is a good opportunity. Now I saw it as, like, I saw a win in it for me. I'm like, this is a good moment for me to engage because I can remind people, not even remind. I could fucking hit people to what this pen do.

You know what I'm saying? So that's when I jumped in, but also, like, you know, the one for me, too, you know, I'm definitely, was cognizant of it, was it being like Joey versus the field. You know what I'm saying?

Like that was, that was a better battle for me. You know what I'm saying? Rather than me versus this person alone or me versus that person alone, it was more worth it for me to be like going up against a bunch of people. You know what I'm saying?

So at that point I'm like, yeah, you know what? It was helping. Yeah, it's game time. Like, like, let's get it. Like, I see the win. I see the opportunity. And I'm taking it. In the midst of that, you don't have to answer.

Just blink twice if Top Dog paid you to do all that. Top Dog is not paying me. I'm just saying, that was the talk. We did have, we did have, like, fairly, we did have, like, TD East. Yeah, we did have some. some dialogue, like, you know what I'm saying? Just like, you know, joking and, you know,

a lot of joking and laughing and shit. Shit, I ain't going on a top. He had, he bought me some tickets one night to the Knick game while that shit was going on. He was like, yo, you got to be out there, man. Like, you know what I'm saying? You know, so that was love. But we definitely did have a few conversations,

you know, talk about the whole T.D.E. thing. And, like, you know, how he thought that shit was clever. He's like, yo, nigga, I've been laughing about that shit since last night and shit like that. I'm like, yo, she kind of got a ring to us. Yeah, we should talk. We should have a conversation, you know what I mean? So we definitely spoke about that and the possibility of sitting down and talking about the shit.

But he didn't have this whole elaborate scheme set up to get his artist's eyes. Absolutely not. Nah, you know what I mean? This whole thing, like nobody knew I was going to come with the rulers back. What you said? She ain't say nothing. Nobody knew. She ain't saying work anyway.

Listen, nobody knew that I was going to come with. the rulers back and after the rulers back, I didn't know what was going to transpire. Like when I tell you this shit was rolling with the punches, it was rolling with the fucking punches. The only moments of like preparation I had was once I did that Red Bull freestyle and knew that it was sitting with that side for two months. At that point, I'm like, okay, cool, I smell something. Now I could see what's coming.

But before that, I couldn't see nothing. You know what I'm saying? Like, it was just surprised. I see every day, you know what I'm saying? So, yeah. I need to start, like, really talking about, like, my inner thoughts more. Okay. Okay.

You know how you have inner thoughts about things and you'd be like, and then when shit happens, you would like, I should have said this two years ago. You ever had those moments where shit happens and you were like, I knew this was going to happen two years ago? Well, in particular with the whole thug situation, when he essentially, you know, came home and won his trial because that was a win. I think he was facing life, if I'm correct. He was.

It was like, oh shit, shout to Brian still. You know what I mean? He was able to go in there. Time serve. Make some things happen. Time serve. He obviously has restrictions. Can't go here.

Can't go there. But something about that never sat right with me. I was like, this doesn't, I don't think this is the end of this. And lo and behold, now we have these recorded conversations being, I don't, we don't want to say leaked. It's not an album. it's not out these conversations are being put out

yes and I always felt like the government was going to find a way oh shit to say okay he won the he won the battle but we're going to win the war

we're going to do whatever we can to completely annihilate his public facing character his public facing status and I'm believe that this is exactly what it is. This is an attack on dismantling thugs character, dismantling everything that thug stands for. This is not by accident. This is not a leak.

This is a planned thing that I feel like the government knew, they know exactly what they're doing. And they had this plan all along. When they want you, they're going to get you. We may not have you in prison. We may not have you behind bars, but we're going to get you. And I think that this is exactly what is happening here. I think that they are purposely putting these audio recordings out because if anybody has anybody incarcerated, the first thing you hear when you answer that phone is this call is being recorded. So you know that this is being recorded. It's not who keeps the recording. You don't know. We can guess. Oh, the government has it. The jail system, the correctional facility has it. So now these recordings that they have, if you've ever called,

from a jail and talk to somebody, anything you spoke about is recorded and saved somewhere. So now what the government is essentially doing is saying, okay, he's not in prison. Let's do whatever we can do to completely disrupt his image, completely dismantle his image. And that's exactly what they're trying to do with these recordings. Okay. But also, cool, the phone calls, but there's also interrogation stuff there. So, like, you know when people on reality TV complain, like, I was edited this way, and then the reply is always like, well, you can't edit what you don't do.

Yeah. Cool. Government could be behind anything, but what thug stands for, I don't care that they leaked it. It happened. No, yeah. I'm not saying, I'm not saying nothing. Like, it's not like, if it was AI, I'd be like, all right, that's some real, real higher up government. I be very clear.

I'm not saying that none of this. didn't happen. It clearly happened. These conversations clearly happened. What I'm saying is, when people say all these things are, they're leaking. The conversations, stop saying these conversations are leaking. These conversations are being put out by the government.

We saw with Brian the scientist and Doug, as far as that leaked conversation, and we could probably safely assume that wasn't the government. That was probably somebody that worked at the jail that had it and sold it. Like, that happens a lot too. Shit, how we saw Salon just trying to whip Jayzee's

asked was because the security people sold the shit. Like, I do think there's an element there. And we also know, because he, where was he locked up? Was that a federal case? No. That was with this. No, it was with Georgia. It was state. Yeah. So it was state. So he was locked up in the greater Atlanta area. We know COs come from the same exact hoods that the people that are locked up in. I could see a world where all this stuff. C.O. took the shit and sold it to somebody. or or knew someone that knew gunning was like yo he's saying all this shit about you i got all this like i can see that worry the interrogation one though to me is government it's not that jail phone calls any no it's not it's not sell them shits all the time no they do not it's not it's not

that easy to get those recordings okay those recordings are not just on a recorder right here in the office where we have in lunch at no i know that's not what those recordings are located those recordings are somewhere where somebody higher up on the chain that works for the correctional facility that works for the state, they have, they have those recordings. That's not just somebody also lower level people that monitor those calls that then have to flag something if criminal activity is being discussed for the higher ups to take care of. If you don't think somebody could sit in that fucking office with their iPhone and play that recording and just like this and get that exact quality of what they have on those, I do think. I don't think it's that easy. Okay. No, your lawyers

absolutely obtain your recordings. Yeah. He says Gunner's lawyers. Oh, Gunners? You think Gunner? I don't think that. I don't think that. But again, I don't want to act like a Twitter lawyer because I don't know. Can I, once you plea out, why would the lawyer have access to, they weren't even really

co-defendants after the plea, so how would they have access to those calls? Yeah, I don't think Gunner's lawyers did. Thug's lawyers, I think, can get the. you know but that's again it lets you know when you make a call this call is being recorded yeah of course so it's just certain things that you just don't need to be speaking about on you know on those calls on those phones because again you do know that it's being recorded but i mean to me the the calls whether it be with you know 21 with other people like respectfully that was more like gossipy i'm bored in jail calls i to me the the main leak was the interrogation the two interrogation

ones. Like that's different. That's not a jail phone call. That's an interrogation. Like, to me, that's where this shit is nuts. And I don't know at this point, someone just tell me the street rules, because I don't know anymore. They all no street rules. I'm just, I'm not calling, I'm a civilian. Am I calling anyone a rat? I don't know. I just want to know at this point, what are the updated rules? Listen, I'm very confused. People need to understand this. And, you know, it just is what it is. The streets and all of the rules are cold. That shit is only upheld by a very select few. Everybody's not a rat.

Everybody's not a snitch. But there are rats and now snitch. You go through every era from the biggest gangsters. You show me who the biggest gangster was. Somewhere in their story, I could point out somebody that ratted. That's a part of the... Snitching is a part of the streets. And people just need to understand that.

That's a part of it. You know when you play Mario, it's the little goombas that run around. That's part of the game. You can't play Mario World. and not get mushrooms. Like, that's part that's in the game. You cannot be in the streets and not think that people are not cooperating and not snitching. That is a part of the street rules.

There are snitches, which is why when somebody doesn't snitch and doesn't cooperate, they should be saluted to the highest degree because we know exactly how many of these people are cooperating. So when you see somebody take their time and take their punishment and stand up to it and don't fold and do that, those are the people you salute because again for one person that's going to hold it down there's a hundred thousand that's going to cooperate but people that hold it down and take their sentences that is very rare so when people get so surprised when they find out that people cooperated or gave a statement it's that i look at it like what are we surprised about that's a part of the game from look at every era your favorite documentaries from your favorite gangsters

and street figures go through all the documentaries and i guarantee you in every documentary there is somebody that cooperated and took the whole thing that. Some of your favorites did it. And they throw parties for these niggins and all kind of shit when they come home. I'm like, you know that nigga rat it, right? The one thing that they love is say, he ain't rat on me. He ain't rat on me. He will then.

But y'all don't understand why I don't like being around this type of shit and these guys because I look at it and I'm like, yo, first of all, I know y'all don't even like each other, number one. Because I've heard what y'all both said about each other to me. So then when I see y'all doing parties and events and hostings and vacations, I'll be sitting back looking like maybe I'm the eyeball. You know what I'm saying? And I'm cool with that. Maybe. But I'm just like something ain't right what's going on out here.

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I enjoyed the Bobby and Drake interview. You enjoyed what? Say that again? Huh? I didn't say anything. See that again? I didn't say anything. What was enjoyable about it?

I don't think punch is going to like that. No, what he said was, if you couldn't hear him, he said he enjoyed the Bobby Altoff and Drake. I was talking about Bobby Brown. It was a separate time. Oh, different Bobby. Shout to Bobby. He just got his masses back for Don't Be Cruel. Oh, did he?

Yeah. Oh, congrats. That's crazy. Yes. Oh, hell you. Bobby Brown. Did you watch the Bobby Altoff

I'm sure I'm mispronouncing that in Drake interview Or not I see I don't believe you I feel like you edited No I didn't I watched the clip It's funny I didn't watch the full like

I watched the whole day I've seen a bunch of clips though It was entertaining I still stand on I'm gonna watch it I didn't watch it yet though I still stand on wanting to hear from Drake

as well as Kendrick as well as Cole I want to hear from them with Black faces? No, not necessarily. Black people. If all three of them,

paws want to sit with me in my white face, I'd be happy to. I'm just saying. When I'm hearing him with the culture. I'll be all tough as in the culture. Don't do that because Elliot dissed us over the weekend. Everyone called me and said we was beefing.

Elliot diss who? I saw that. Elliot diss who, me? Nah. I saw that. Whoever tweeted it was. Elliot dissed me? Was very misleading in the...

He did? In the... I didn't see it. What do you say? All you podcasters and media men, you rappers are the term medium men. I'm a radio guy. You don't want to act like

You're all a media man. We're all this. You had your dream come true. We're all the same motherfuckers. We're the same. Elias journalism thing means nothing. Rob Markman means nothing. Jeremy Hicks means nothing.

Your podcast or your former rapper, you're all media man. I'm a media personality. I'm not a journalist. And I don't want to talk about Cardi's album no more because, nigga, you signed up for the gig. The gig is the gig. You barely can talk to artists. They want to know what you think about everything.

We're doing the same goddamn thing. You want to call yourself a former. I'm still an artist. I'm a media man. I'm a podcaster, a radio personality. I'm a journalist, like, we're in the same game, my nightmares come true. We're in the same game.

We're on the same thing. Whenever you crash out, you sound like you... It's the same thing. You saw you just got off the subway. You know, I see this like... The same game, motherfucker. I don't care if you're mall, I don't care if you fat Joe, I'll name names. Your opinion does matter because that's the platform.

Your audience wants your opinion on things. You don't conveniently get the drive, like, I'm not qualified. I'm not a journalist. We have the mics. We're all talking. We're doing the same thing. We're all the same media man. Oh, because I said I'm not going on.

I don't feel comfortable talking about Cardi B music because I don't feel like she makes it for me. But that's real. I don't feel comfortable about talking about anybody that I know didn't make anything that I'm not their audience, their target audience. That's kind of like. But his point was, that's not me being honest. I thought that was me being honest. A journalist has to speak about everything. No, they fuck they know.

That's the problem. No, you don't. No, the fuck you don't. No, you don't. Nobody in the world needs to speak on everything. Journalists or not You do not need to be speaking on everything And yes, I stand on that

I don't feel comfortable Sitting here talking about Cardi B's music Because I know she doesn't make music for me What's wrong with that? I feel like that's being honest and real Unlike some of these other niggas That got mics in their face And just talking?

Yeah, I don't feel comfortable talking about Cardi B music Whether I like it or not Y'all know how I'm coming about Cardi I fuck with Cardi big Bronx shit I want to see her do anything that she put her mind to I want her to be successful

But I don't feel comfortable sitting here talking about her music and saying I don't like it because I know Cardi ain't going in the booth laying down bars with niggas like me and mine. So you know what I'm saying? So yeah, duh, and her voice, duh, nigger, you're not supposed to like it.

I wasn't spending these balls for you. So yeah, I don't feel right sitting here saying I don't like a Cardi record. I don't because I know she ain't making it for me. So yeah, shut up, Elliot. And to me, that is what does disprove Elliot's point that he was making because I think that is a form of journalism

of what Mall just did. Being honest? Yes, that is a former journalist. Journalist should be honest. Integrity. Journalists should have integrity. And none of you niggas got more integrity to me. Cardi is obviously a-lister in hip-hop,

so she's going to get brought up. And I think you didn't avoid it. It's not like we just stayed quiet about Cardi. Yeah. I just feel like that's a whole statement itself. I'm not talking about the shit because it ain't for me. It's not for me. But I love Cardi.

Shout out to Cardi, but I don't feel right saying I don't like a Cardi record. Like, I ain't supposed to like. That's like me saying I ain't. like Cardi's outfit. Nica, she didn't put that on hoping I would like it. Like, to me, I look at the same vein. Like, that doesn't, that's not for me.

It's funny too, because Drake did bring up, I guess, something in that vein with the Bobby interview in regards to him sitting with her rather than certain journalists. The goal is not to be an unattainable dickhead for your whole life and only speak to Zane Low while you ask you the most curated questions. And, I mean, complex. not to say they took Drake, misquoted him, but there was more context to what he was suggesting. He more or less was saying that artists can also go,

like Nikki going to Kai, somebody that usually does not speak to people, is still allowed to go to something that's not this formal fucking thing. And he said no disrespect to Zane Low as well. He didn't dis Zane. I understood what he was saying, but it kind of goes back to our,

conversation that we've had a million times when it comes to this topic, I think there can be a balance of both. Nikki and Kai being a example that Drake brought up or even Drake and Bobby, because he's saying that they ushered in the idea of it. I just want to balance as a fan. I'm speaking strictly as a fan. I want to balance. You don't think there's a balance?

Has Drake not sat down with other people before? No, no. Of course. I'm not making this a Drake. He was talking about artists overall. I think there's been a lack of that with A-less artists and a good amount of artists, period, that they can just go do the fun thing and avoid everything that people may want to know on the side. But they're also humans.

They don't owe us that. I'm just speaking as, that's what I was waiting for. Yeah, of course they don't. Does Drake owe me any explanation for anything that's life? Not you, but I'm saying some people speak as if he does. And he does not. But as a fan of music, I can also say, I would love to hear from him with somebody that's going to ask questions and receive answers that I want to know. That's all.

I think that's fine. The reason why I never understood why people get upset about shit like this is because, number one, he sat down with people, plenty of people before. Yeah, but it's different now. He sat down in the whole barbershop with LeBron and the guys. He sat down with Elliot a couple of times. Had Elliot in his living room. which I thought was... He sat down with a bunch of people.

He sat down with a bunch of people. But that was at a time we wanted to... That's why that Rapp Radar interview was so great outside of BDOT and Elliott doing a great job on it. It was he addressed. He addressed. He addressed the push of shit. He addressed...

So, he addressed the kid shit. And all of that. You don't see why now things will be different for Drake and who he decides to sit next to and talk to? For sure. But I'm not trying to make this a Drake thing. I'm going off what Drake was saying about ushering in this idea of all our

artist kind of going this route to some degree now. Yeah, they don't want to sit down with the same old, same old. They don't want to sit down to have the same curated conversations. They'd rather sit down with somebody that knows them in a different light, has more of a personal connection to them, and they could have a fun, cool conversation. Kai and Nikki didn't know each other at all. Well, no, it was fun to watch them.

Not that they knew each other, but it was just polar opposite worlds. It was two different. So it's like, okay, but he's saying that I made it cool for it not to be the same. old formal sit-down type of thing where you go and sit down with these people that have, again, these curated questions and these conversations. It's like people don't want to do that all time. Yeah, I understand it. But these same people that they're saying, oh, we want them, they've sat down with these people before and had conversations with them. But everyone's speaking specifically based off what has happened. Yes, because everybody wants to hear from Drake now. Everybody wants to

ask him about the beef and what happened. Of course. We get it. But do people not understand how he would not ever want to sit down with any of you niggas again for sure nobody sees that in this equation of course oh okay that's all i'm asking like how people so surprised again and being completely objective in this i liked the kendrick shit with scissor but i still want to hear from kentrick i want kentr's somebody like i have questions it's not just him you have questions now oh i have questions yeah yeah why would that's not a weird thing for a fan to want no all i'm saying it's weird i'm just saying it's weird for fans to not understand why drake doesn't want to sit next to none of these I mean, you ask, to me, that's weird.

But I don't think fans don't not understand and also. No, they don't care. Yeah, no, they don't care. It's not that they don't understand. And honestly, I'm not, I don't think that the fans are crazy for thinking that there's a little bit of a dodge of not wanting to talk about certain things. Yes, we want to do more fun interviews and curated interviews can be boring, this, this and that. but there's also so many different types of creators who have a different interview type platforms that before Bobby Altoff became the thing, or honestly before Drake made her the thing.

Like there's other people who aren't the traditional people or people that Drake might have felt stabbed him in his back during this beef, newer, younger people who are, you know what I'm saying, who are doing things that he can also sit with, who but who would also ask him questions? They might not be super curated, but who would also ask him certain questions that I just don't think that he's prepared to answer. So I just don't want it to, oh, I just, one second, I don't want it to just be, I just one second, I don't want the conversation to just be, Drake is just wants to do fun stuff and he also doesn't want to sit with fake niggas. There is also the point of there's certain shit when

it comes to that battle because of the outcome of it and things like that, that Drake just doesn't want to talk about. That's okay, but that doesn't mean that people. Why do you say he doesn't want to talk about it? I'm, what I'm saying is that people are assuming that he doesn't want to talk about it. Oh, okay. Now that's different. Let me, let me say this. People's assumptions, and what is are two different things. You can, you can have a safe assumption that when you just throw small little comments on streams,

anytime you do the steak shit, when you talk with Aden, when you talk with, because he made little shots in the Bobby shit, too. It's like, it's like the first time you saw Marlowe in the wire and do at the gun of the head. He said, do it or don't, but I got shit to do. Like, either talk about it or shut up about it. Is I think how a lot of fans feel. Yeah, but the fans don't make. And of course, it's an entitlement thing, but fans are entitled. I'm an entitled fan sometimes, too.

But again, that's, again, that's a problem, though. Because on one hand, you're entitled. But on the other hand, we know no matter who he sits now with, no matter what questions he asks, no matter what answers he gives, people are still going to have a problem. Sure. So what the fuck is the rush. to, like, what do we talk? I'm not saying it's a rush.

No, but what does the fans rush to want him to sit down with whoever they want to sit around with? What does it matter? I think he eventually is going to do a real interview with somebody to get to the scene. But when he wants to. No, I think when the album comes, they'll do that. When he wants to, so I don't understand.

I actually enjoy the interview. I also don't think, I don't, I don't think that. I don't think when the album comes that he'll sit and talk about that. I actually don't think that. You don't think he'll ever talk about that? I don't, I didn't say ever, but I don't think that when the album comes, I don't think he'll talk about it. I could be wrong. I'm not. I do not know Drek's buying, but I don't think you will.

I mean, he doesn't need to. Like, he doesn't need to use that as a rollout, quote-unquote. Like, that clearly, he doesn't need that. But if you don't think that he's going to sit down one day in the dress, I mean, I think he said it at the end of the thing. Didn't he say like, like, are we going to get to that? I'm going to see you guys. Like, so he basically is letting it be known that, no, we're going to get to that. I thought that was for the album. Yeah, I assumed he was. No, he said, I'm going to see you guys. Yeah. Yeah. I. He wasn't talking about through the music. Whatever.

Okay. Well, what everybody is assuming is that that was a teaser for the album. Yeah, he doesn't need it to. We know the album was coming. No. That was, I'm on tour right now. Because I think, didn't Bobby ask him something about why is he doing the U.S. tour? And he was like, well, I just finished the U.S. tour when the whole thing started.

I was still on tour, actually, when that thing started. And now I'm on a European tour. Like, but we're going to do that. He's going to get back to tour in the U.S. Like my thing is people are just so he needs to sit down with this person. Why does it matter? He can sit down with whoever y'all want to sit down with. No matter what he says, I can promise you there's going to be a million videos uploaded after the interview saying, oh, why didn't he address?

Oh, I think he's lying about that. He didn't feel that way about that. I mean, I understand. But he's not special in that regard because that's what every celebrity, every single time a celebrity opens their mouth and they have a certain amount of popularity, anything that they say is going to be either clickbaited or turned around. or used for a headline. Like, that's just part of being a celebrity. But I think the conversation that people are having is you're sitting up there talking about certain things with someone that is not of the culture because they don't even know

what questions to ask you. And I think that that is the backlash that may be coming from that. Doing an interview with Bobby Altoff is fine. Like, I don't think anybody has a problem with him doing that. It's just you doing, your attention is going to Bobby Altol. and Aidan Ross and all of these people who are not of the culture of music that kind of really birthed your career. So I think that that may be what people have an issue with.

I don't think it's that he's doing interviews with them. I think that he's only doing interviews with them. When there are plenty of young black creators or, you know what I'm saying, and things like that or streamers or things like that. All right. You strike me as an intelligent woman. Do you think that that's purpose? That's on purpose that you're doing that?

I don't give my opinion on Drake anymore. but I don't do my opinion on Drake anymore but I do think that because I don't Same answer you gave with the Cardy shit I'm stealing that Yeah I'm so cool on anything I say about Drake Will be used against me in a court of law But what I will say

What I will say is this I think that Drake is very very Very very very very smart And I think that he likes a certain level of Control when it comes to things And I think if he's not ready to talk about something it will not be talked about and he will not be asked about it. And I think that that is what is going up.

I don't think that there's anything wrong with it. But yes, yes. To answer your question, yes, that's on purpose. Yes, that's on purpose. Yeah. So, I mean, I just, you know, again, people being upset because he's not sitting down with whoever. I just, I don't remember a time, again, I'm a little older than y'all. Not once during the whole Pock biggie beef did I ever say, yo, this nigga,

Pock need to sit down with this person and talk about it. I don't give a fuck to hear about none of these niggum. talk about a rat beef. Well, okay. Don't do that because the Jay and now shit, Jay sat with Angie. You could find that on YouTube now. But who said he, who was sitting around saying,

yo, Jay got to sit down with Angie and talk about this? Who was saying that? Nobody even cared about shit like that. Well, there was also like, only, you fucking media outlets at the time. Nobody had, everyone had a mic and could talk or Twitter. Wasn't nobody waiting. But you don't think anyone wanted after Ether?

Nobody wanted to hear from Hove? Of course. No, we wanted to hear records. We wanted to hear bars. Nobody was asking for. interview. This interview shit wasn't like, this is a whole new world with this interview shit.

This is no. Interviews have been big young. I was 13 years old. Nobody cared about energy. We were doing when Jay sat with Angie post-Naz JP. Of course you did. But before it happened, you wasn't at home in Queens

saying Jay-Z needs to sit down and talk to somebody about this beef. You wasn't saying that. But when the interview came out, when the interview came out, when the interview came out, you listened to it. You listened to it. You listened to it. I know, I'm not wrong.

Because you didn't have to beg for the interviews. You didn't have to bet. You didn't have to say, this needs to happen. This needs to happen because you knew that it would happen. No, you didn't. Okay. There wasn't even a thought. Trust me, I was really out.

That wasn't, nobody was thinking about an interview. Niggins wanted to hear raps. Okay. Even though you're right, I was not sitting there going, Jay needs to talk to Angie. But you don't think that Hove thought in his mind with all of the fans that hurt Ether and the chatter that was going around the entire country, I need to go sit with Angie.

I'm not saying. Because that's what he was thinking. If it wasn't a thing that people wanted, you wouldn't have fucking done it. That's not true. He was sitting there like, listen, listen. First of all,

he was disannized through the whole fucking thing too. It was purposeful. First of all, the way the thing ended, Jay gave a reason of why he was backing out of the thing. His mom had stepped to him. He didn't like the energy. So it was a whole thing. But nobody, nowhere on no block,

was saying, yo, I can't wait for the Jay-Z interview when he talks about this. I can't wait for the BDECU or the Jada kiss interview when they talk about their B. Okay. This is a whole new thing with rap now. Okay. You want to hear interviews about me. Okay. So you're talking about what was it going to be. You're talking about.

Also, Jay-Z wasn't on stake doing a stream every goddamn night. Of course he wasn't because he wasn't in business with a state. So number one, first of all, there's multiple things. Number one, like Roy just said, that's what I'm saying. The times have changed and we consume more media and we expect more out of our celebrities, right? whether that's good or bad, whatever, that's one thing. Number two is just because the niggas on the block weren't waiting for the interview does not mean that music journalists.

The culture wasn't waiting for the interview. But who does, so have we figured out what culture is yet? Me? Yeah, I know exactly what culture. Okay. That's a classic. That's convenient because we've asked before nobody knew. But people who care about music journalism, because that has also always been a thing

just because it was not your thing. That has also always been a thing. There were people who waited for the interviews that came out in the source who weren't just there for the pretty pictures and the fat and the ads. There were people who waited for shit like that. There were people who really cared about shit like that. That's how the blog era was beefed. I mean, was born from people who were in love with shit like that.

So, yes, people did care about those things. No, niggas on the block. No, they might just want to take it. Yes, interviews are always a thing. Media made the pop the big shit what it was. The vibe cover is what popped the whole shit off. It was media. It was Pock doing an interview.

I'm not saying that interviews weren't always a... Matter of fact, Angie scrapped one because everyone to hear from Pock. I'm not saying that interviews weren't. always a part of culture and music and things like that. Yes, artists have always given interviews. Yes, I understand that. What I'm saying is coming out of a beef with another artist, another rapper, nobody was asking or saying, yo, this person needs this artist needs to sit down and talk

about this. That wasn't a thing until now. And I understand, times have changed. What I'm saying is you can't expect an artist to do the things that or sit down with who you want them to sit down with, when you want them to sit down. with, especially coming out of a situation that this particular artist is coming out of, and not try to understand, well, damn, I can see why he ain't, he doing his own thing and moving out how he want to, he don't give a fuck about the culture anymore, because he sees what

the culture tried to do to him. Are people not missing that part? At the end of the day, it doesn't matter. Drake is going to do whatever the fuck he wants to do, and he has the freedom to do that. He doesn't owe us anything. He's giving us so much, he doesn't owe us shit. He doesn't want to be a culture vote anymore, so he sat down with a white girl. Okay. He doesn't have to, he doesn't have to give us. He doesn't have to give us anything. He's

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